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Divided China E20 (closed)

Galveston Bay
22-09-2006, 22:16
Background
Under pressure from the West, Japan and Russia for years, its government failing visibly, its Qing Dynasty failing under the rule of the Empress Cixi, China has reached a major crossroads in its history by 1908.

Then the hand of god or the whims of fate took a hand.

An astronomical body utterly destroys the ancient city of Beijing, destroying the last of the ruling dynasty, vast amounts of historical treasures and killing outright or soon after 5 million people. This event, soon to be known as the Dragons Fire (Long Huo), has left China in confusion.

Confusion that the Kuomintang (KMT) Party under Chiang Kai-Shek uses to its advantage, followed by the Japanese and then others.

Further background
Imperial China
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672409&posted=1#post11672409

KMT
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497575

Key figures
Until recently, Sun Yat Sen was the leader of the principal opponent of Cixi, but his untimely dissappearence has robbed the KMT party of its unifying leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

2 men, Chiang Kai Shek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek

and
Wang Jingwei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei

are in position to take over the reins of the KMT. In addition, Yuan Shikai is waiting in the wings with his own agenda for power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Shikai

Foreign concessions and treaty ports as of 1906
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_ports
Galveston Bay
22-09-2006, 22:16
the Long Huo Event
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11714184&postcount=46

Maps of China
http://www.css.sd28.bc.ca/China03/map.jpg

http://www.discoveryangtze.com/Yangtzediscovery/photo/map_china.jpg

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/images/map/china/china-map-1.jpg
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/images/map/china/china-map-8.jpg
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/images/map/china/china-map-4.jpg
Galveston Bay
22-09-2006, 22:17
Economic information
economic information and links to ongoing builds

Chinese Empire 1906
Population 430 million, tech level 2, Production centers 1 (Shanghai 1), Resources 66 (Harbin 6, Port Arthur 6, Beijing 12, Chungking 12, Changsha 6, Lanchow 6, Chengtu 6, Hainan 6, Kwieyang 6), Coal 12 (Shenyang 5, Harbin 4, Chungking 3) (2 resources go to Japan, along with 4 coal, 1 resource from Hainan goes to France), food production is 450

Army: 42 garrison units, 6 cavalry divisions, 3 light infantry divisions, 1 light infantry brigade
Navy: 5 x tech 4.5 protected cruisers, 2 x tech level 4 protected cruisers, 1 x tech level 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla .6 points

(budget 68)
1906 2 points to Japan, 1 point to France, military budget 13.3 points, Imperial court 11 points, corruption penalty 20 points, transportation improvements (270 points needed, 22 points spend year 1 of 11)
1907 as above
1908 as above
Galveston Bay
22-09-2006, 22:18
Military forces (pre Long Huo)

Chinese military forces and foreign military forces in China

China (special case)
Chinese New Provincial Armies
The Chinese army is organised around each province raising it’s own regular troops and militias. The largest and best trained (they trained in the European style) of the regulars was the Beiyang Army, the same province controlled the navy as well. The organisation must remain in the same style as this as long as the present administration remains in power (makes it easier for mods to work out opposing troops in rebellions and such).
Anhui Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units,
Fujian Army
40,000 men
2 garrison units
Gansu Army
20,000 men
1 garrison unit
Guangdong Army
80,000 men
4 garrison units
Guangxi Army
45,000 men
1 garrison unit, 1 light infantry division
Guizhou Army
45,000 men
2 garrison units
1 Alpine Brigade
Henan Army
60,000
2 garrison units, 1 cavalry division
Beiyang (Hebei province) Army
100,000 men
3 garrison units, 2 cavalry divisions
Hunan Army
80,000 men
1 light infantry division, 2 garrison units, 1 cavalry division
Jiangsu Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units
Jiangxi Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units
Liaoning
60,000 men
1 light infantry division, 2 garrison units
Shaanxi Army
40,000 men
2 garrison units
Shandong Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units
Shanxi Army
40,000 men
2 garrison units
Sichuan Army
70,000 men
3 garrison units, 1 cavalry division
Yunnan Army
60,000 men
1 light infantry division, 1 cavalry division, 1 garrison unit
Zhejiang Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units

Britain has a small garrison in both Shanghai (the international city portion) and Hong Kong, and a Gunboat flotilla assigned to Chinese waters

The Americans have a small garrison at Tientsin and Shanghai, and a gunboat flotilla assigned to Chinese waters. Both the Americans and British patrol the Yangtze River as well.

Small garrisons from Austria Hungary, Italy, Japan, and Russia are in Shanghai.

Germany has a small garrison at Tsingtao, which it de facto controls

Portugal still owns Macao

The Japanese have de facto control over Manchuria and have control over Port Arthur plus a sizeable army of 2 corps in Manchuria itself.

overview of foreign forces in China
http://www.geocities.com/treatyport/....html#OVERVIEW
Galveston Bay
22-09-2006, 22:18
divided China
economic and military information (to be added
Galveston Bay
23-09-2006, 00:28
July - August 1908
Revolts against Imperial rule led by KMT forces break out in parts of China (to be added)

Japanese and Japanese controlled Manchurian forces secure Liaoning and Jilin proviences, while Japanese controlled Manchurian forces secure Heilongjaing provience.

Russian forces mass along the border of Sinkiang (Xinjaing), and along the Amur River to ensure Japanese forces don't enter Russian territory.

The British and German governments assemble shipping and troops to send to the Far East, as well as naval forces.

The Japanese government expels or arrests KMT officials and members in Manchuria (when they find them) and in Japan itself.
Haneastic
23-09-2006, 00:30
July - August 1908
Revolts against Imperial rule led by KMT forces break out in parts of China (to be added)

Japanese and Japanese controlled Manchurian forces secure Liaoning and Jilin proviences, while Japanese controlled Manchurian forces secure Heilongjaing provience.

Russian forces mass along the border of Sinkiang (Xinjaing), and along the Amur River to ensure Japanese forces don't enter Russian territory.

The British and German governments assemble shipping and troops to send to the Far East, as well as naval forces.

The Japanese government expels or arrests KMT officials and members in Manchuria (when they find them) and in Japan itself.


wait GB, I was only supposed to move on KMT cells if they fought me, or did they?
New Dornalia
23-09-2006, 01:09
The Japanese government expels or arrests KMT officials and members in Manchuria (when they find them) and in Japan itself.

The KMT promptly relocates its Tokyo staff to Fuzhou, which is now serving as the provisional capital of the Republic of China. Meanwhile, KMT personnel in Manchuria flee by any means possible, trying to reach KMT areas.

SIC:

In the meantime, "word on the street" intelligence from the missionaries sympathetic to the KMT indicates that simply put, the Great Powers of Britian, Japan, Russia and France are planning to carve up China (though Japan's actions are painfully obvious). Chiang acts upon the info, asking the missionaries to keep watch upon foreign movements and in the meantime, for the KMT to focus on consolidating its power against other Chinese, and not to touch the foreigners unless absolutely necessary--they don't have the resources to get into trouble with the Great Powers.

OOC: Note: "Absolutely necessary" will get kinda twisted.
Haneastic
23-09-2006, 01:13
The KMT promptly relocates its Tokyo staff to Fuzhou, which is now serving as the provisional capital of the Republic of China.

SIC:

In the meantime, "word on the street" intelligence from the missionaries sympathetic to the KMT indicates that simply put, the Great Powers of Britian, Japan, Russia and France are planning to carve up China (though Japan's actions are painfully obvious). Chiang acts upon the info, asking the missionaries to keep watch upon foreign movements and in the meantime, for the KMT to focus on consolidating its power against other Chinese, and not to touch the foreigners unless absolutely necessary--they don't have the resources to get into trouble with the Great Powers.

OOC: I think If I did take out KMT members, your Tokyo staff would be high on the list

EDIT- GB, do Ihave that part of Inner Manchuria that's sometimes part of Manchuria?
New Dornalia
23-09-2006, 01:23
OOC: I think If I did take out KMT members, your Tokyo staff would be high on the list

EDIT- GB, do Ihave that part of Inner Manchuria that's sometimes part of Manchuria?

OOC: Hmm...in that case, hold off on that part of the message until we can get a reading from GB. If it is clear you arrested the guys in Tokyo, be OOCly aware that I did shift some administrative capacity to Singapore and the USA (I included that in the long discourse I sent to LR about stepping up KMT recruitment in reply to the rise of the Federalists).
Haneastic
23-09-2006, 01:40
OOC: Hmm...in that case, hold off on that part of the message until we can get a reading from GB. If it is clear you arrested the guys in Tokyo, be OOCly aware that I did shift some administrative capacity to Singapore and the USA (I included that in the long discourse I sent to LR about stepping up KMT recruitment in reply to the rise of the Federalists).

okay, I was sort of surprised at this myself, but maybe something else's happening
Galveston Bay
23-09-2006, 03:08
wait GB, I was only supposed to move on KMT cells if they fought me, or did they?

ooc
Japanese Army was being preemptive... remember, Japanese Military will sometimes act without necessarily paying attention to what the government orders (Manchurian Incident, various coup attempts etc). So far its a on a mild scale, but it will err on the side of caution when acting against the Chinese

incidently, refer to the provience maps that have links above and note the proviences you control or de facto control

incidently, the Army mostly expelled KMT people and rarely arrested them. They also didn't get them all, but you wouldn't know that
New Dornalia
23-09-2006, 03:27
OOC: Edited post to reflect new info.
Galveston Bay
24-09-2006, 06:38
September - October 1908
German troops (1 corps) arrive in Tientsin, giving Germany effective control over
Heibei provience.

http://www.css.sd28.bc.ca/China03/map.jpg

Meanwhile, the British reinforce their garrison at Hong Kong and Shanghai. With the Americans, the British effectively control the Yangtze River already.

France effectively controls Hainan island.

Russian forces occupy Sinkiang

The KMT gains control over Fujian, Guangdong, Shandong, Hunan, Zhejiang, Jangxi and Guangxi. proviences.

The remainder of China remains under the control of regional governors and generals who become warlords. Some fighting occurs as local strongmen and the KMT fight in places, and local strongmen fight each other.
New Dornalia
24-09-2006, 06:51
Chaing Kai Shek then moves the Government of the Republic of China to Guangdong, and proclaims it to be the capital of the ROC.

Meanwhile, he sets about taking inventory of his troops.

Guangdong Army
80,000 men
4 garrison units
Guangxi Army
45,000 men
1 garrison unit, 1 light infantry division
Hunan Army
80,000 men
1 light infantry division, 2 garrison units, 1 cavalry division
Jiangxi Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units
Zhejiang Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units


SIC:

Realizing most of these units are defensive, Chaing acts quickly to begin trying to consolidate his power. First off, he solicits advisors and aid from Germany to help bring his units to a decent status.

Open IC:

Second of all, he begins organizing his government together, quickly moving to call in Song Jiaoren and leaders from KMT controlled provinces to make a constitution--this ultimately creates a government with a Legislative Yuan (Congress), an Executive Yuan (a Presidency) and a Judicial Yuan (a Supreme Court), modeled partially on that of the US Government, though he also takes care to make the powers of the Executive Yuan strong....and adds an Examination Yuan to promote a good civil service.
Galveston Bay
24-09-2006, 06:52
Nationalist China (Republic of China)
Economic and military data as of November 1, 1908
KMT China (Republic of China)
Shanghai (British political control, Nationalist economic control)
1 production center
Resource points
Changsha 6, Kwieyang 6
population under KMT control 100 million
food production 150

other major cities:
Nanking, Hangchow, Foochow, Hangchow, Nanning,

KMT Army
Guangdong Army
80,000 men
4 garrison units
Guangxi Army
45,000 men
1 garrison unit, 1 light infantry division
Hunan Army
80,000 men
1 light infantry division, 2 garrison units, 1 cavalry division
Jiangxi Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units
Zhejiang Army
60,000 men
3 garrison units
Kilani
26-09-2006, 02:09
Russia announces that Sinkiang has been officially annexed into the Empire.
Haneastic
26-09-2006, 02:32
Japan declares Manchuria to be part of its empire, although its position is not decided at this time.
Galveston Bay
27-09-2006, 07:21
November 1908- February 1909
A harsh winter in China and Siberia makes military operations difficult. Meanwhile, a sizeable Russian Army assembles in Manchuria and Sinkiang, while a sizeable Japanese Army assembles in Manchuria and the world wonders if a 2nd Russo-Japanese War is immenent.

Meanwhille, the various factions and warlords in China secure their position as best they can, as does the KMT.
Haneastic
27-09-2006, 21:57
Japanese diplomatic members and the Japanese Foreign Minitser travel to Moscow to attempt to prevent a war between the two nations.
Kilani
27-09-2006, 22:03
The Japanese diplomats are assured that the Russian build-up is merely a precaution against any unfortunate incursions into Russia by lost Japanese troops and that the Russians have no wish for war between the two nations.
Galveston Bay
28-09-2006, 19:36
1909 China
January – April
Yuan Shikai organizes his 4 provinces and secures his control. He manages to buy arms and equipment from the Dutch and expands his army to 375,000 men, all reasonably well trained and equipped with modern (although not state of the art) European weapons. At the end of April he declares himself Emporer and ruler of the new Shikai dynasty.

Meanwhile, the old Imperial Fleet is essentially left to rot as sailors and officers, unpaid for months, desert and leave the fleet of 7 obsolete or obsolescent cruisers and a flotilla of obsolescent torpedo boats to rust as they sit in the harbor of Tientsin.

The Germans and British solidify their political and military control of Tientsin and Shanghai respectively, while the Japanese solidify their control over Manchuria and essentially annex the 3 provinces they have. War threatens in Manchuria between the Russians and Japanese before gradually the threat lessens. Meanwhile, the Russians solidify their control over Sinkiang and essentially annex it.

The French, having already solidified their control over Hainan island reinforce the defenses there.

In addition to the areas controlled by the KMT, Yuan Shikai, and foreign powers, 8 other major provincial governors have seized control of their areas and have formed little states of their own.

China 1909
Provinces of China
Manchuria
Heilongjang (Japanese controlled)
Jilin (Japanese controlled)
Liaoning (Japanese controlled)

Japan acquired the troops of the Liaoning army when they took over Manchuria (3 garrison units, 1 light infantry division) plus 50 million people, food production 60, Coal 9 (Shenyang 5, Harbin 4), resources 12 (Harbin 6, Port Arthur 6)

Mongolia
Northeast Inner Mongolia (warlord control, no significant troops)
Southwest Inner Mongolia (warlord control, 1 militia unit at Hohhoi)
Outer Mongolia (warlord control, 1 ethnic Chinese militia cavalry division at Ulaan Baatar, 2 ethnic Mongolian military cavalry divisions in surrounding countryside that are hostile to ethnic Chinese)

Population 10 million, resources 0, food production 11

Western China
Sinkiang (Xinjaing) (Russian controlled) capital Urumqi
Population 1 million, food production 1million, no significant resources

Tibet (Xizang) (ethnic Tibetan controlled, 1 Tibetan militia unit) capital Lhasa
population 2 million, food production 3, no significant resources

Gansu / Ningxai
(warlord controlled) capital Lanchow
Resources: 6 (Lanchow 6), 1 garrison unit, .25 points, add 2 garrison units 4 points (all are tech level 2 units), corruption penalty 1.75 points, population 15 million, food production 11, (food imported from other parts of China)

Qinghai (warlord controlled, 1 militia unit), capital Golmul, population 12 million, food production 12, no significant resources

Sichuan (warlord controlled) capital Chengtu, population 45 million, food production 46, resources: 18 (Chengtu 6, Chungking 12), 3 Coal (Chungking), 3 garrison units, 1 cavalry division, 1 point, upgrade 3 garrison units, 1 cavalry division to 6 garrison units, 1 cavalry division, 5 light infantry divisions (all tech level 2) 16 points, 1 point lost to corruption penalty

Yunnan (warlord controlled) capital Kunming population 25 million, food production 12 (remainder imported), resources: none, military: 1 militia unit (tech level 2)

KMT / Nationalist China (Republic of China)
Fujian, Guangdong, Shandong, Hunan, Zhejiang, Jangxi and Guangxi. provinces.
See Nationalist China thread

Eastern China
under the control of Yuan Shikai
proviences of Shaanxi, Shanxi, Langchow, and Henan
Resources Xian (Sian) 6 points (ooc more efficient administration creates some resources in this case) Langchow 6 points
other major cities: Taiyuan, Tsinan, Chengchow
population 100 million, food production 110
4 infantry corps, 2 cavalry corps

Guazhou (warlord, 1 militia unit) capital Kweiyang, population 25 million, food production 12 (imports food), resources 6 (Kweiyang 6), military: 3 garrison units .75, upgrade to 5 garrison units (4 points), corruption penalty 1.25 points

Anhui (warlord, no significant troops), capital: Hefei, population 25 million, food production 30, no significant resources

Jangsu (warlord, no significant troops), capital Nanking, population 25 million, food production 30, no significant resources,

Hainan (French controlled), capital Haikou, population 5 million, resources: 6 (Haikou 6),
Safehaven2
28-09-2006, 23:52
tag
Kilani
30-09-2006, 02:31
Russia recognizes the new dynasty under Shikai and promises him aid in the future.
New Dornalia
30-09-2006, 02:45
Russia recognizes the new dynasty under Shikai and promises him aid in the future.

Chaing Kai Shek sends a telegram to the Russian Government, urging them to reconsider. He makes the case that the Monarchy, which God has clearly shown disfavor upon, will not survive for long.
[NS]Parthini
30-09-2006, 03:57
Chaing Kai Shek sends a telegram to the Russian Government, urging them to reconsider. He makes the case that the Monarchy, which God has clearly shown disfavor upon, will not survive for long.

ND check your tgs in like 30 seconds.
New Dornalia
30-09-2006, 05:43
December 31st, 1909-

A deal reached between the Republic of China and the United Kingdom in negotiations in Hong Kong has resulted in Shanghai becoming an "Economic Trusteeship" of the United Kingdom. Under the terms of the Treaty of Hong Kong, the city would accept British protection, its resources to be managed by the United Kingdom to aid in development of the local economy. Negotiations would occur in 50 years concerning the Trusteeship.

In exchange, the RoC will recieve a fixed amount of development aid from the UK, and will also be recognized by said state.

The treaty itself has provoked division in Parliament; though its wording, played to save face, has deflected some of the anger. Still, Chaing's discussions with the other KMT bigwigs get it passed.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2006, 07:02
May - August 1909
Japanese forces move into eastern Nei Mongolia (inner Mongolia) and occupy it, facing more difficulties from the rugged terrain and weather then from any opposition. Meanwhile, Russian forces occuply Mongolia (RL Mongolia) with similar difficulties.

Other Japanese forces occuply Beijing province, including the ruins of the city.

In Shandong province, the pro KMT governor is assassinated by one of his generals, who then invites German forces into Jinan, pointing out to the German government that Jinan would allow rail links between German forces in Tsingtao and Tientsin (ooc and incidently keeping the Japanese and Russians from invading his province).

Shikai forces from Shanxi province crush local warlord troops in Lanchow and take over Gansu and Ningxai provinces, gaining substantial resources.

Gouzhou province decides to ally itself with the KMT. (ooc giving the KMT that province, its resources and troops)
Safehaven2
30-09-2006, 21:12
German forces are ordered to begin moving into Jinan to secure the area for Germany.


OOC: What happened to the Hebei army when I took the province? Also, isn't Beijing under my area of control since I control all of Hebei province?
Galveston Bay
30-09-2006, 22:20
German forces are ordered to begin moving into Jinan to secure the area for Germany.


OOC: What happened to the Hebei army when I took the province? Also, isn't Beijing under my area of control since I control all of Hebei province?

ooc
some of it was destroyed by the impact, some simply melted away due to desertion, some joined with the KMT, and some joined other factions

you actually hadn't moved into Beijing itself as far as I know.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2006, 22:32
August - October
Japanese forces invade northern Shanxi province and are met by Imperial forces fighting over the vital town of Kalgan, a critical communications center connecting China to Mongolia, Manchuria to western China and northwest to central China. The Japanese attack with 8 corps (4 regular, 4 reserve) supported by 2 HQ units (their 1st and 2nd Armies) while the Imperial forces defend with 3 infantry corps and use the rugged terrain as best they can.

(ooc results will be posted later)

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/Fac_Staff/rlangill/HIS%20217%20maps/Long%20March%20map.JPG

meanwhile, German forces have secured Shandong province, effectively blocking further Japanese expansion along the coast.
Safehaven2
01-10-2006, 03:07
ooc
some of it was destroyed by the impact, some simply melted away due to desertion, some joined with the KMT, and some joined other factions

you actually hadn't moved into Beijing itself as far as I know.


OOC: So what parts of Hebei do I control?
Galveston Bay
01-10-2006, 06:04
OOC: So what parts of Hebei do I control?

ooc
none, as Shangdong province has Tsingtao and Jinin in it, while Tientsin is a seperate administrative area from Heibi, which is south and east of Beijing. Beijng was its own administrative area (and has been overrun by 2 corps of Japanese troops).

IC September - October 1909
As the Japanese and Imperial troops are fighting a major battle, the KMT, with foreign monetary assistance, attempts a countercoup in Shandong province which fails. Several assassination attempts are made against the Chinese general ruling the province and they fail as well, as German advisors and long experience dealing with palace intrigue serves the General well.

OOC
I should really come up with a name for this guy at some point I suppose
Amestria
01-10-2006, 06:10
OOC
I should really come up with a name for this guy at some point I suppose

There are quite a number of Northern Chinese Military Officers to chose from. Take your pick...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_era_%28China%29#Major_Factions

One possibility is Wu Peifu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Peifu), as he was born in Shandong Province.
Galveston Bay
01-10-2006, 06:11
August - October
Japanese forces invade northern Shanxi province and are met by Imperial forces fighting over the vital town of Kalgan, a critical communications center connecting China to Mongolia, Manchuria to western China and northwest to central China. The Japanese attack with 8 corps (4 regular, 4 reserve) supported by 2 HQ units (their 1st and 2nd Armies) while the Imperial forces defend with 3 infantry corps and use the rugged terrain as best they can.

(ooc results will be posted later)

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/Fac_Staff/rlangill/HIS%20217%20maps/Long%20March%20map.JPG

meanwhile, German forces have secured Shandong province, effectively blocking further Japanese expansion along the coast.

In fierce fighting, the Japanese manage to take Kalgan, but at the cost of 30,000 casualties (and one corps destroyed). Imperial losses are heavy as well, nearly 60,000 (destroying a corps and driving the other 2 out of the area).

ooc
The Japanese are forced to use both HQs to reorganize 2 corps to keep the pressure on

IC
The Japanese continue to advance, and badly mauled, the Imperials fall back to make a stand at Taiyuan. Another major battle results, but this time the IImperials hold at the cost of 20,000 casualties (no game effect in terms of unit losses) while the Japanese suffer 30,000 casaulties (and lose another corps)

OOC
Japan has lost 1 regular and 1 reserve infantry corps, the Imperials one infantry corps but to buy tech level 4 or better units now costs the Imperials twice as much due to the fact that they have difficulty getting foreign weapons (ooc in secret the Russians are providing them, but now these weapons and ammunition must now go across the Gobi by camel instead of by road and rail from Russia directly). This aid is not yet known by the Japanese.

IC
The fighting does however exhaust Japanese munitions supplies (ooc remember that unit maintenance costs twice as much to extend combat operations beyond 3 months). This forces an end to Japanese offensive operations unless additional munitions (ooc more points spent this year) can reach the front.

Meanwhile, Yunnan declares itself independent and allies itself with France, while KMT forces overrun Anhui province and Sichuan province makes a deal with the KMT and joins the Republic of China.
Galveston Bay
01-10-2006, 06:21
There are quite a number of Northern Chinese Military Officers to chose from. Take your pick...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_era_%28China%29#Major_Factions

One possibility is Wu Peifu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Peifu), as he was born in Shandong Province.

ooc
Wu Peifu will do nicely
Kilani
01-10-2006, 07:32
Russia dispatches an embassy to the new Imperial capital and announces it will be sending in a brigade of cavalry (i.e cossacks) to protect the Embassy members once they can safely cross into China.
Galveston Bay
01-10-2006, 07:44
Russian aid allows the Imperials to begin training 6 light infantry divisions, which will be ready for combat in January
Amestria
01-10-2006, 08:53
Russia dispatches an embassy to the new Imperial capital and announces it will be sending in a brigade of cavalry (i.e cossacks) to protect the Embassy members once they can safely cross into China.

The new capital of Imperial China (now under the Shikai dynasty) is the very defensible Xi'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian#History), the ancient capital of ten other dynasties (when called Chang'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27an)) and the capital of Shaanxi province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi).

Map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Xi%27an_location.png)


Imperial China, Shikai Dynasty, Details

Emperor Yuan Shikai (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Yuan_shikai.jpg)

Emperor Yuan Shikai's Family (http://cbnando.com/chinese_culture_customs/2006/07/26/the_big_family_of_yuan_shikai.html)

Provinces under Imperial control: Shaanxi, Shanxi, Langchow, Henan, Lanchow, Gansu and Ningxai

Imperial Military: 3 infantry corps, 2 cavalry corps, 6 light infantry divisions

Imperial China's Official Flag (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/EmpireofChinaflag.gif)

Imperial China's Official Anthem, China heroically stands in Universe.

Chinese lyrics
中國雄立宇宙間﹐

廓八埏﹐
華冑來從崑崙巔﹐
江河浩盪山綿連﹐
共和五族開堯天﹐
億萬年。

English translation
China heroically stands in Universe,

Extends to the Eight Corners,
The famous descendant from Kunlun Peak.
The rivers turn greatly, the mountains continuous.
Five nationalities open up the sky of Yao,
For millions of myriads of years.
Ato-Sara
01-10-2006, 11:02
After fruitful negotiation with the newly formed Republic of China and it's leader Chinag Kai Shek the Macau concession has been enlarged by eleven new territories; Pengsha, Doumen, Jinwan, Jiuzhou, Xiangzhou, Gaolan, Zhuhai, Wanzai, Qiao, Xiaohengqin Dao and Dahengqin Dao.

Map Showing the new concession (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/Macauexpansionmap.jpg)

Construction of a naval base is set to be begin on Jiuzhou in 1911.

Meanwhile the three old Protected Cruisers NPR Adamastor, NPR Sao Gariel and NPR Candido Reis will be handed over to the Republic of China at Guangzhou harbour escorted by the two light cruisers assigned to Portuguese far eastern holdings, NPR Seita De Carga and NPR Lançasusto.
Ato-Sara
01-10-2006, 16:31
OOC: I've made a map showing the current situation in China.
Tell me if I have got anything wrong.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png
New Dornalia
01-10-2006, 16:44
OOC: Thanks, man. And I really do apologize about the other day, with Chatzy.
Safehaven2
01-10-2006, 17:04
OOC: WHat are the stats on my China territory? Pop, status of Shandong military exc. I know Tienstin is worth 6 resources, but thats all I know.

Thanks for the map Ato.

IC:Germany is officially anouncing a protectorate over Shandong province and Tientsin.
Malkyer
01-10-2006, 17:46
France recognizes Yunnan, and begins assisting the Hainanese in creating a military. The Légion étrangère begins recruiting from the Hainanese population, though widespread illiteracy and little knowledge of the French language mean that the "Hainan Brigade" will be some time before it is combat ready. The eventual goal, as per a joint Franco-Hainanese statement, is that veterans of the Hainan Brigade will be able to form a cadre from which to train a useful military force for the republic.
Kilani
01-10-2006, 20:01
Russian troops are ordered to secure South-West Inner Mongolia and Qinghai as soon as possible.
Cylea
01-10-2006, 23:26
The United States formally recognizes the Republic of China effective January 1st, 1910 as comprising of Fujian, Guangdong, Shandong, Hunan, Zhejiang, Jiangxi and Guangxi Provinces. Any foreign violation of this territory will be looked upon most unfavorably. In addition, Washington recognizes the Republic's vested interest in reunifying all the territories of the recently shattered Chinese Empire.

Although the US urges France, Germany, Britain, Russia, and Japan to cease their expansion immediately and Roosevelt is rather disdainful of the mad scramble going on right now for territory in the area, no formal condemnation of the Europeans and Japanese are made concerning their current possessions. At the same time, Berlin and London are contacted concerning the continuation of treaty port status in Tientsin and Shanghai.

As a gesture of solidarity with the new Republic, an aid package is rammed through Congress (totalling in game terms 5 points--this is in addition to the secret aid already listed in the 1910 build). That nation also has permission to use US shipyards to build for ships for itself.
Haneastic
01-10-2006, 23:27
OOC: GB, I believe my regular corps have a year's amount of ammo, but not my reserve corps

IC:

Japan sets up a government in Northeastern China to help alieviate problems many Chinese are facing. Japan begins recruitment for an army to support the Chinese Support Government (Chinese support govt.=puppet govt.). The Chinese Support Government decries the Imperial forces as, "the remnants of the decadent past, and a symbol of the power that was rightfully destroyed by the heavenly fire that wiped out the Empress and Beijing"
Kilani
01-10-2006, 23:54
Russia recognizes the Republic of China on the condition that the Republic recognizes the new Imperial governemnt as the legitimate ruler of the Gansu, Ningxia, Shaanxi, Henan, Shanxi, and Hebei provinces.
Amestria
02-10-2006, 00:35
The Chinese Support Government

The Chinese Support Government de jure administers the following Chinese Provinces: Beijing, Hebei, and the occupied portions of Shanxi (the majority of which is still under Imperial Control), however de facto control rests solely with the Japanese Army. The Provinces of North East Outer Mongolia, Lianoning, Jillin, and Heilongjiang have been officially annexed into the Japanese Empire and Japan no longer considers those areas to be part of China.

The Chinese Support Governments Provisional Capital is presently the port city of Qinhuangdao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qinhuangdao) in Hebei Province (far from the devastated Beijing, a safe distance from Imperial controlled Shanxi, and right on the Japanese controlled coast, so that Japan may more readily supply it or apply pressure to it).

Leadership: The CSG is controlled a cabal of Chinese Warlord Generals increasingly known as the Fengtian Clique (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fengtian_clique) (奉系), named after its founder and leading member Marshal Zhāng Zuòlín (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zuolin), who was born in Fengtian. Marshal Zuòlín holds the position of Provisional Chief Executive of The Chinese Support Government. Qirui's second in command is General Zhang Zongchang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zongchang), the "Dogmeat General". The Fengtian Clique wish to sweep the Imperials out of power and establish a Warlord Military Government over Northern China allied to Japan.
[NS]Parthini
02-10-2006, 00:50
British Diplomats and a few Generals meet in Jiangsu with Warlord officials there. There they propose a deal: Jiangsu allies itself with Britain, and becomes a Protectorate, and recieves aid and protection from the British Empire, as well as recognition of the current leader there as Lord of Jiangsu.

Several "incentives" are also brought forth.
Haneastic
02-10-2006, 01:02
Japan approaches Jiangsu and Southwestern Mongolia, proposing to allow them to keep semi-autinomy, with the current rulers as governors and aid to help their provinces. Southwestern Mongolia is reminded Russia will undoubtedly move in on them (all secretly of course).
New Dornalia
02-10-2006, 02:03
The RoC offers to Jiangsu development aid, representation in the Legislative Yuan, extra pay for its officers, and protection from the Imperials if it agrees to join the RoC. (OOC: Think two points going it way next year.)
Galveston Bay
02-10-2006, 19:37
November – December 1909
Japanese forces secure Heibei province and move up troops to renew the attack on Taiyuan in Shanxi province after scrapping up all reserve ammunition (ooc the Japanese had some points available as a contingency). The Imperials still have 2 corps defending the city, while the Japanese have managed to bring up 3 more corps to reinforce the corps remaining in the area from the previous battle. This time the Japanese are able to take the city, suffering the loss of another 30,000 men (and another corps destroyed) while the Chinese are badly mauled, losing 35,000 men (and a corps destroyed). The Imperials then counterattack out of Henan with 2 cavalry corps, catching the Japanese still disorganized from the attack on Taiyuan. The counteroffensive fails to drive the Japanese out of the province but does take back Taiyuan. The extremely costly battle results in 60,000 Chinese and 60,000 Japanese casualties (and 2 Japanese infantry corps and 2 Chinese cavalry corps are destroyed). (ooc Japanese lose 3 regular corps in this battle incidently).

Meanwhile, Japanese plans to conduct amphibious operations are delayed to due bad weather.

A large Italian fleet leaves the Mediterranean bound for East Asia (ooc won’t arrive until January)

KMT forces occupy Hubei province with its important communications center of Wuhan (gaining 25 million but no resources or troops but 12 food production). The KMT also overruns Anhui province, preventing Imperial China from getting it (as it was busy fighting the Japanese in any case). The KMT also overruns the Jaingsu province (another 20 million people, 30 food production but no resources). The prevents a British attempt to gain influence in the area after the KMT government stands the warlord up against the wall and shoots him for treason.

Tibet declares its independence and signs a defense and commercial treaty with the British.

In Yunnan the pro French ruler defeats a coup and assassination attempt.
Ato-Sara
02-10-2006, 20:24
Map has been updated (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png)
Galveston Bay
02-10-2006, 20:42
Map has been updated (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png)

Yunnan is de facto French, Chongging joined the Republic of China when Sichuan did

Also Qinghai joins Imperial China in early January, so might as well add that too.

The northeastern 20% of Western Inner Mongolia is Japanese held, remainder is Imperial Chinese held. Japan has the northeastern 30% of Shanxi province.
Ato-Sara
02-10-2006, 22:56
Map updated again (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png)

Thanks for the info.

As for the two contested territories, ill change them according to who has majority control.
New Dornalia
02-10-2006, 23:25
Chaing Kai-Shek has the example of the Jiangsu Governor placed in the newspapers in the RoC as a warning to those who "would oppose the unification of China and betray our homeland." He also praises the "brave soldiers who have retaken the rebel provinces in the name of the Republic and the Chinese people."

The efforts boost support for him in the Legislative Yuan (which makes things easier, though Chaing has the ultimate power), and it certainly increases trust in Chaing--after all, he's producing results!
Ato-Sara
03-10-2006, 07:41
In response to the situation in China, the Portuguese parliment votes in favour of commisioning a Portuguese Asian Expeditionary Force. A corps of volunteers in the Portuguese army is dispatched to Macau from where it will march to join the armies of the Republic of China in their struggle.
It is hoped that vital combat experiance will be gained.

(One Corps of Regulars is shipped off to Macau)
Malkyer
03-10-2006, 11:50
In Yunnan the pro French ruler defeats a coup and assassination attempt.

In response to the attempted coup, French Intelligence increases its monitoring of China as a whole and Yunnan in particular, eventually finding out who is responsible. At the same time, a brigade of the Foreign Legion is moved from Indochina to Yunnan, to provide a more concrete French presence in support of the allied government.
Sukiaida
03-10-2006, 12:21
Though it is only helping it's French Neighbor, Spain recognizes the new Republic of China. (Not that it matters much.)
New Dornalia
04-10-2006, 01:04
Chiang Kai Shek offers a Non-Aggression Pact to Yuan Shikai's Government, emphasizing the need for Chinese not to fight one another in these dark times. He even offers limited aid.
Galveston Bay
04-10-2006, 07:32
January - February 1910
Poor weather prevents serious operations and all factions merely jockey for position for when the weather improves.

A large Italian fleet arrives at Shanghai, refuels (coals) but continued poor weather delays its plans.

ooc
Italy has treaty port rights at Shanghai
Galveston Bay
05-10-2006, 17:29
March - April 1910
Reinforced Japanese forces attack Taiyuan again, and this time take the city at the cost of 10,000 casualties, while destroying the Imperial corps defending the city (and inflicting 75,000 casualties). The city falls and the Japanese then secure the remainder of Shanxi province against little resistance. They then attack into the remainder of Inner Mongolia and Henan provinces. Here they face more determined resistance.

In Inner Mongolia 4 Japanese corps and 1 HQ face 2 militia corps and 2 light infantry divisions fighting to defend the key cities of Houhot and Baotou. The Chinese hold their positions in Inner Mongolia, in spite of losing another 35,000 men and inflict 15,000 casualties on the Japanese.

In Henan, the KMT commander of the Hubei province decides to assist the Imperials, whatever the KMT government thinks, and sends a pair of garrison divisions to help defend Zhengzhou, already defended by an Imperial infantry corps. The Japanese attack with 2 infantry corps and 1 HQ but are held at the cost of 5,000 Japanese and 15,000 Chinese casualties (mostly KMT).

At Fujian province, the Italians land an infantry corps at the treaty port, and then use that corps along with an amphibious landing to secure the rest of the city in the face of KMT forces including 1 garrison division, 2 light infantry divisions, and 2 infantry corps. In the fighting, which becomes very intense, much to the surprise of the Italians, naval gunfire support is critical in the fighting, and also wrecks much of the city. The Italians bring ashore another infantry corps, and that is enough to finally take the ruined city after nearly a month of fighting and then hold it in the face of determined counter attacks by a KMT force of 2 Infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions and 1 light infantry division.
The KMT loses 130,000 men, along with 2 infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions, 1 garrison division and 1 cavalry division, while Italian losses are limited to a mere 15,000 men and no units are destroyed. However civilian losses run nearly 100,000, and a strong KMT army of 2 infantry corps, 1 light infantry division and 1 cavalry division remain outside the city preventing further Italian movement outside of the city.

Meanwhile, a corps of Portuguese troops arrives in Macau
Kilani
05-10-2006, 20:41
Russia continues to funnel aid to the Imperials (OOC: 14 points in 1910). In addition, they issue an objection to Italy's unprovoked attack against the Republic of China. It is noted that Italy did not even declare war against what is essentially a soverign nation. The Tsar's government promises the Republic that Russian diplomats will do their best to talk to the Italians.

Russia dispatches an Embassy to the Republican capital with an escort of cossacks.
Galveston Bay
05-10-2006, 20:45
The KMT government gains considerable popularity inside of its territory for its brave (although unsuccessful) defense of Fuzhow and for assisting the Imperials in holding back the Japanese barbarians in the north. This does much to repair the prestige of the government after it was forced to essentially hand over Shanghai and enlarged areas around Hong Kong and Macau to the Portuguese and British the previous year.

Meanwhile, the Imperial government is also gaining popularity and doing much to restore the traditional Chinese faith in Imperial government for its brave stand against the Japanese barbarians coming from the north.

In Japan, considerable disquiet begins to emerge as the casualty list for 2 years of fighting tops 175,000, nearly 60,000 more then were lost in the Russo - Japanese War. Elements of the Japanese government begin pressuring for a peace treaty with the Imperial Chinese government that would return Shanxi and western Inner Mongolia to the Imperials in exchange for Japan keeping all of Manchuria plus Heibi, Beijing and eastern Inner Mongolia.
New Dornalia
05-10-2006, 20:56
The KMT government gains considerable popularity inside of its territory for its brave (although unsuccessful) defense of Fuzhow and for assisting the Imperials in holding back the Japanese barbarians in the north. This does much to repair the prestige of the government after it was forced to essentially hand over Shanghai and enlarged areas around Hong Kong and Macau to the Portuguese and British the previous year.

Chiang makes an address to the people of China, praising the actions of the soldiers at Fuzhou and proclaiming that those who died "defending China against the Caesars. Rest assuredly, we will not give up, until Fuzhou is back in our hands! Long Live the Republic! Long Live Brother Sun's Reformed and Democratic China!"

He remains silent on the Imperial issue. Though the Henan Commander disobeyed his orders and went rogue, he did end up boosting the KMT's popularity at home. So, only a token rebuke is sent.
Haneastic
05-10-2006, 22:24
In Japan, considerable disquiet begins to emerge as the casualty list for 2 years of fighting tops 175,000, nearly 60,000 more then were lost in the Russo - Japanese War. Elements of the Japanese government begin pressuring for a peace treaty with the Imperial Chinese government that would return Shanxi and western Inner Mongolia to the Imperials in exchange for Japan keeping all of Manchuria plus Heibi, Beijing and eastern Inner Mongolia.

In the Diet, the Nationalists and pro-Militarists retain enough of a majority to see that everything continue's as normal...for now. Emperor Meiji makes a public announcement that Japan must, "stay the course, and continue with our strategy, to ensure a powerful Japan".

Meanwhile, Japan quietly asks that the military commander responsible for the attack be punished more serverly for the needless deaths he caused
Ato-Sara
05-10-2006, 22:56
Map updated (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png)
Galveston Bay
05-10-2006, 23:04
On May 20, The Emperor Yuan Shikai decides to borrow a page from the Roman Empire, and appoints Duàn Qíruì as his successor after the death of Yan Xishan as well as Shikai's son by Japanese assassins in early May. Although a break from Chinese tradition, it offers continuity that is badly needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Shikai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Xishan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duan_Qirui
Galveston Bay
06-10-2006, 00:01
Situation May 30, 1910

Japanese forces
Korea:
1 Light Infantry Division (Imperial Guards) (Seoul)
1 Light Infantry Brigade (SNLF (Inchon)
3 Infantry Corps (Pyongyang, Pusan, Tageu)
3 Infantry Corps guarding Russian border
4 garrison units (Pyongyang, Pusan, Wonsan, Seoul)

Manchuria:
2 Fortresses, 2 infantry corps (Harbin, Port Arthur- finished 1910)
4 Infantry Corps – Harbin, Mukden
4 puppet infantry corps - (2 each Harbin, Mukden)
6 fortress corps - guarding Border (deployed in border postions
1 Garrison – Port Arthur
1 Light Infantry Division- Guarding Border

China
1 garrison unit – Beijing
1 garrison unit – Heibi province
4 infantry corps, 1 HQ, 1 cavalry division (NW Mongolia)
2 infantry corps, 1 supply unit (Shanxi province)
2 infantry corps, 1 HQ (Henan province)

Formosa:
2 Infantry Corps- 1 in Southern Half, other in Northern Half

Japan
5 Infantry Corps- Karafuto (south Sakhalin), Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima, Sapporro

Imperial Chinese Forces
1 infantry corps each Zengzhow, Hohhot
1 KMT garrison unit Zhengzhou
6 light infantry divisions
12 militia corps (2 each Xian, Hohhot, Boatou, Lanchow, Yinchuan, Tsinan),
9 light infantry divisions (Shaanxi province)
7 light infantry divisions Henan province

Russian forces in the Far East and eastern Siberia
One force, consisting of three regular corps, six reserve corps, a militia cavalry corp, and an HQ centered around Ulaan Baatar. 2 Mongolian Militia cavalry divisions also in this area.

A second force, consisting of four regular corps, four reserve corps, an HQ, and a cavalry corps centered around Valdivistok .

A third army centered around Chita consisting of four reserve corps, one militia cavalry corp, one HQ

2 reserve corps at Irkutsk available for deployment as needed
Galveston Bay
06-10-2006, 00:49
additional Russian aid reaches the Imperial Chinese, who form another 10 light infantry divisions in Ningxia province
[NS]Parthini
06-10-2006, 01:19
In Britain, Parliament issues a condemnation of the Italian attack on the Republic of China, but does little else.

More secretly, Parliament agrees to an aid package to the Republic of China (unspecified ATM) towards the ROC "discretionary fund." The Chinese Military is informed that British arms are also available for purchase.
Galveston Bay
06-10-2006, 05:50
May - June 1910
Japanese forces halt in place as threat of war with Russia forces the Japanese High Command to delay offensive operations until they are sure they aren't facing attack elsewhere. Only in northwest Mongolia does the fighting continue at a heavy pace as Japanese forces attack Hohhot. The Imperial defenders, with 2 militia and 1 infantry corps fight bravely, inflicting 20,000 Japanese casualties and the cost of 40,000 Chinese casualties (and 1 militia corps) and manage to hold on.

Meanwhile, in Fujian province, the Italians push out from Fuzhow, and rather than face battle, the KMT Army falls back in order to avoid casualties. Other then skirmishes, the fighting is light and Italian forces secure a 100 mile perimeter around the city. Additional Italian forces arrive, including 1 HQ and 2 cavalry divisions, while the Italian fleet now musters 1 battleship, 2 armored cruisers, 2 protected cruisers and 1 destroyer flotilla, plus several transport units and merchant shipping units that provide a supply link all the way back to Italy via the South China Sea, Indian Ocean, Suez Canal and Mediterranean.

A pair of KMT protected cruisers leaves port and steams away from China for points south and east.


Meanwhile, Duan marries one of Yuan Shikai's daughters, formalizing the link between the two men by marriage.
Ato-Sara
06-10-2006, 07:29
The Marinha Portuguesa offers the RoC Navy the use of the crew and ship of the light cruiser N.P.R Seita De Carga to help train the crews for the RoC navy's own ships.
The N.P.R Seita De Carga is currently stationed in Hong Kong.
Artitsa
06-10-2006, 08:12
Italy will note that any use of said ship or Portugese people will result in the destruction of said vessel. Possible persuit of a declaration of war maybe sought.
Ato-Sara
06-10-2006, 18:11
Italy will note that any use of said ship or Portugese people will result in the destruction of said vessel. Possible persuit of a declaration of war maybe sought.

The Marinha Portuguesa replies that the Seita De Carga will be helping the RCN in a training capacity only and never had any intention of attacking fellow Europeans.
The Portuguese as a nation are appalled at the suspicous and rude nature of the Italian statement. The notorious portuguese tabloid press jumps on the issue and a series of scathing articles nad cartoons appear.


(OOC: Ah, for the day when people will no longer blur IC and OOC...)
Galveston Bay
06-10-2006, 18:26
July August 1910
The war scare between Japan and Russia ends, and the Russians send even more aid to the Imperials (ooc another 6 points, used to equip 3 more light infantry divisions that show up in November).

The Battle of Hohhot continues and the Imperial army continues to hold its ground, inflicting 5,000 Japanese casualties at the cost of 20,000 Chinese casualtes (and another Imperial militia corps destroyed). The city itself no longer exists except as a pile of ruins, and miles and miles of trenches make up the lines on both sides.

map of this part of China
http://www.theodora.com/maps/new9/mongolia_relief_map.jpg

Further south, the Japanese launch a new effort to take Zhengzhou and get south of the Hwang Ho River. The line, held by 2 Imperial militia corps, 1 Imperial infantry corps and 1 KMT Garrison division (which is now an Imperial Light Infantry division as its changed factions) is assaulted by 4 Japanese infantry corps, and continues to hold, inflicting 30,000 Japanese casualties (and destroying a Japanese infantry corps) while suffering 35,000 Chinese casualties (and another militia corps destroyed).

However the important thing is that in both battles the Imperial Government has held off the Japanese and gained still more credibility with the Chinese people.

With the majority of the Japanese strength focused on Henan and Western Inner Mongolia, Shanxi province is held by a pair of Japanese reserve infantry corps, along with a corps of Chinese support government troops (puppet troops) only recently equipped and trained. Shikai himself takes command of the Shaanxi Army and launches a counteroffensive in August with 9 light infantry divisions. He gains complete surprise, and utterly destroys the Japanese army in the area, wiping out both the puppet troops and a corps of Japanese reservists and shattering the other Japanese corps and inflicting 65,000 casualties (40,000 of which are Japanese) (in effect, all three corps are destroyed) while suffering a mere 5,000 casaulties in return.

(ooc: really good die rolls by decent troops against decent (reservists) or poor (puppet) troops)

The Chinese plunge deep into Shanxi, taking Taiyuan on the run before a defense can be organized, and forcing the Japanese to send troops from Manchuria and Korea to organize a defense in Heibei province. The Japanese commander in Henan, frustrated at another failure to crack the Hwang Ho line, and worried about his flanks and rear, orders a retreat, and Japanese forces pull out of Henan province as well.

It is a massive Japanese defeat, and more of the Japanese government demands an end to the war which is now clearly stalemated at best. In a mere 2 months, another 75,000 Japanese have become casualties, and no where has a victory been won.

Meanwhile, further south, the KMT continues to glare at the Italians. Advisors from Germany and equipment from overseas continues to arrive as the KMT attempts to whip its army into shape.

In the Indian Ocean, 2 KMT protected cruisers begin hunting Italian merchant shipping and manage to capture and sink 10 Italian ships (and stop another 20 British, 3 American, 4 Dutch, 5 French and 2 German ships as well for inspection). However, one of the Italian ships manages to get a message off, and an Italian armored cruiser on its way from Italy to China is close enough to respond, catching one of the Chinese cruisers and sinking it in a one sided battle (Italians have bigger guns, longer range, better armor, better training and more experience and suffer no significant damage or casualties while killing nearly all of the Chinese crew... 40 prisoners are taken, including a Briton who is serving as a mercenary officer, and the captian, a Dutch mercenary commander).
Artitsa
06-10-2006, 18:57
The Marinha Portuguesa replies that the Seita De Carga will be helping the RCN in a training capacity only and never had any intention of attacking fellow Europeans.
The Portuguese as a nation are appalled at the suspicous and rude nature of the Italian statement. The notorious portuguese tabloid press jumps on the issue and a series of scathing articles nad cartoons appear.


(OOC: Ah, for the day when people will no longer blur IC and OOC...)

We have sufficient reason thanks to your massive build up in Macau.
Ato-Sara
06-10-2006, 19:03
We have sufficient reason thanks to your massive build up in Macau.

The so called massive build up in Macau pales in comparison to the Italian one in Fuzhou.
However the Portuguese troops in China are there to act as advisors and to help with the training of the RCA.
While you Italians seem to be engaging in what seems to be acts of piracy we Portuguese are helping the RoC to stand on it's own feet and to be able to stand up to rampant Gunboat diplomacy.
Sukiaida
06-10-2006, 19:22
Spain, not involved in the CHinese incidents, decides to send military observers none the less to gather information on the current problem in Europe so hopefully it will not spread.
Artitsa
06-10-2006, 19:24
The so called massive build up in Macau pales in comparison to the Italian one in Fuzhou.
However the Portuguese troops in China are there to act as advisors and to help with the training of the RCA.
While you Italians seem to be engaging in what seems to be acts of piracy we Portuguese are helping the RoC to stand on it's own feet and to be able to stand up to rampant Gunboat diplomacy.

Piracy would be to allow the theft of the Treaty Port owned by Austria, Italy, Britain, US, etc. We simply cannot allow our land to be taken and thus, have secured ourselves.
Kilani
06-10-2006, 21:13
The Russian military observers with Shikai's staff offer him congratulations on his stunning victory. Several days after the battle it is trumpeted through out major Russian cities by the newspapers, a telegram arrives from the Tsar, personally congratulating his fellow monarch on the excellent job his troops have done against the "imperialist" Japanese. More aid is promised next year and the Tsar writes thath he "hopes our two great nations may become closer then ever before."

The Russians also take notes on the war and methods of fighting being used.
Ato-Sara
06-10-2006, 21:48
Map updated (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png)
Haneastic
06-10-2006, 22:13
Jpan is furious at the losses, and the commander in charge of the Shanxi fiasco is recalled and put in charge of the Kurils.

Japanese Nationalists continue to push for a continuation of the war to regain Japan's lost honor, and manage to keep a majoirty, but it is slowly decreasing
Galveston Bay
06-10-2006, 22:51
Notable events so far
Machine guns are becoming more common, especially in the hands of the European and Japanese troops. The Imperial and KMT have them as well, but not as many and without the ammunition supply. Fast firing artillery is discovered to be the major cause of casualties, a principal reason Chinese casualties are generally much higher then European and Japanese casualties.

Horse cavalry charges are suicide against infantry armed with magazine rifles and machine guns, as are infantry charges. Many attacks fail, which European observers put down to improper training and the typical "what do you expect from wogs" mentality.

The first use of an aircraft occurs, as several French and American built aircraft are used on an experimental basis by the Japanese for observation, while the Italians use several seaplanese at Fuzhow (no notable game effect yet though).
Haneastic
06-10-2006, 22:52
After the bloody fighting and the heavy casualties, Diet becomes deadlocked between peace advocates and Nationalists. Peace advocates startmassive protest marches in Japanese cities, as support for the war detoriates. Finally, Emperor Meiji appears and reverses his previous position, demanding peace. Many nationalists and moderates follow meiji's position and reverse key votes.

Japanese military officers approach the Imperial Chinese government with the following proposition:

1. Japan and Imperial China sign a peace accord
2. The current borders are to be the borders in peacetime
Galveston Bay
06-10-2006, 22:58
After the bloody fighting and the heavy casualties, Diet becomes deadlocked between peace advocates and Nationalists. Peace advocates startmassive protest marches in Japanese cities, as support for the war detoriates. Finally, Emperor Meiji appears and reverses his previous position, demanding peace. Many nationalists and moderates follow meiji's position and reverse key votes.

Japanese military officers approach the Imperial Chinese government with the following proposition:

1. Japan and Imperial China sign a peace accord
2. The current borders are to be the borders in peacetime

Imperial China requests Japanese diplomatic recognition, and a Japanese pull out from southwest Inner Mongolia (giving back the area that contains the rail line connecting Outer Mongolia to Shanxi province). Otherwise, the borders are they are now will do.
Haneastic
06-10-2006, 23:01
Japan agrees to both
Galveston Bay
07-10-2006, 00:37
The Second Sino-Japanese War ends on September 3, 1910. Whether its really peace or a mere cease fire only time will tell.

Japanese casualties 350,000 (including 70,000 dead)
Imperial Chinese casualties 385,000 military (including 175,000 dead) plus 400,000 civilian (200,000 dead)

The KMT and Italian governments are still in a de facto state of war

The Imperial government of China requests diplomatic recognition from the American and European nations, and its capital remains Xi'an for now.
Haneastic
07-10-2006, 00:47
what food and resources do I get from my lands?

Also, wat is the population of my lands?
Galveston Bay
07-10-2006, 00:52
what food and resources do I get from my lands?

Also, wat is the population of my lands?

Manchuria tech level 2
Heilongjang (Japanese controlled)
Jilin (Japanese controlled)
Liaoning (Japanese controlled)
Northeast Inner Mongolia
52 million people, food production 62, Coal 9 (Shenyang 5, Harbin 4), resources 12 (Harbin 6, Port Arthur 6)

Hebei / Beijing tech level 2
population 20 million, food production 22
Cylea
07-10-2006, 01:09
The Second Sino-Japanese War ends on September 3, 1910. Whether its really peace or a mere cease fire only time will tell.

Japanese casualties 350,000 (including 70,000 dead)
Imperial Chinese casualties 385,000 military (including 175,000 dead) plus 400,000 civilian (200,000 dead)

The KMT and Italian governments are still in a de facto state of war

The Imperial government of China requests diplomatic recognition from the American and European nations, and its capital remains Xi'an for now.

The Americans never unrecognized the Imperials from when they used to control all of China, and recognizes the Republic of China in only a few provinces. Defacto, therefore the Imperials have recognition. The US does not adjust this position for the time being.
Galveston Bay
08-10-2006, 03:37
the treaty ports
ooc
you all will want to read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_ports
Galveston Bay
08-10-2006, 23:44
September - December 1910
the KMT Navy, consisting of 1 light cruiser and 2 protected cruisers, begins making night time minelaying runs to the approaches of Fuzhow on September 21 The first couple of trips are unobserved, and mines claim the battleship Benedetto Brin, and protected cruiser Calabria and over 1,200 men
drowned. On the third trip, the Italian armored cruisers Marco Polo and Carlo Alberto spot the three Chinese cruisers as they nearly collide, and exchange fire but to no real effect other then to prevent the Chinese from completing their mission.

Over the next 2 weeks, as weather and conditions permit, the Chinese continue their sorties, and mines claim 20 Italian merchant ships damaged or sunk. Not until October 15 are the Italians able to intercept again and once again the 2 Italian armored cruisers exchange fire, this time damaging a light cruiser and protected cruiser, and sinking another at no loss to themselves.

Meanwhile, in the Indian Ocean, the remaining KMT protected cruiser manages to sink 12 Italian merchant ships carrying supplies to China before it to is found and sunk by the Italian protected cruiser Elba, which is also sunk in the fight.

By November, winter gales and rain make planned actions by the Italian fleet impossible, but they do send a pair of battleships to hunt down the damaged Chinese cruisers, and eventually find them, destroying both as they lay under repair.

Naval losses September - October 1910
Italian: 1 battleship, 2 protected cruisers, 1 shipping unit
Chinese: 1 light cruiser, 3 protected cruisers

The Chinese naval offensive does have some effect though, as it forces the Italians to commit nearly all of their cruisers to the Indian Ocean and South China Sea to protect supply lines, and stalls planned offensive actions. It also reduces supplies to a trickle, preventing any offensive activity.

On land the KMT is not idle either, launching continuous probes and patrol actions against the Italian perimeter and inflicting low but steady losses.

10,000 Italian
40,000 KMT

In Imperial China, the government breathes a sigh of relief that the war is over and begins making plans for the future.

Anti Western rioting breaks out in Shanghai, inflicting serious property damage and resulting in the death of 2,000 Chinese when British troops open fire to protect lives and property.
New Dornalia
09-10-2006, 00:21
Anti Western rioting breaks out in Shanghai, inflicting serious property damage and resulting in the death of 2,000 Chinese when British troops open fire to protect lives and property.

The KMT government condemns the use of what it calls "excessive force" in the British suppression of the riots. It calls upon the Trusteeship Government there to "be more responsive to local sensibilities and treat the Chinese there with respect."

SIC:

The RoC Government asks for more aid following the incident, pointing out the fact the RoC has been a very loyal friend to the point where it has not been helping its fellow Chinese in Shanghai, as we value our relationship with the UK immensely.
Malkyer
09-10-2006, 19:18
France reiterates its stance recognizing the Republic of China and Imperial China as the legitimate governments of the provinces under their respective control.
Kilani
09-10-2006, 19:53
Two Russian protected cruisers leave the Black sea, bound for China. They are supported by Russia's merchant shipping both the Mediterrean and the PAcific merchant marine.
Galveston Bay
09-10-2006, 20:56
September - December 1910 and plans for 1911
In Imperial China determined efforts are made to bring about the rule of law and reform the civil service. Money is also spent to provide medical clinics and schools for the urban population of the Chinese Empire. Assistance from Russia allows the under armed Imperial Army to strengthen its forces in case the Japanese attack again.
Cylea
09-10-2006, 21:31
On December 1st 1910, the US, officially as a precautionary matter to shore up defenses in East Asia, orders the transfer of the following forces to the Philippines for a "show the flag" mission of unspecified duration:

4x Tech 4.5 Battleships: Minnesota, Vermont, Alabama, and Ohio
4x Tech 4.5 Armored Cruisers: Montana, North Carolina, Washington, Tennessee
8x Tech 4 Protected Cruisers: San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, Chattanooga, Cleveland, Denver, Des Moines
1x Tech 5 Destroyer Flotilla
1x Tech 4.5 Destroyer Flotilla
1x Long Range Sub Flotilla

Astute political observers note the uptick in rhetoric against Italian aggression during the weeks before this. The move is delayed b/c of the distractions of a Congressional Election cycle (OOC: and b/c i wasnt here this weekend)
[NS]Parthini
10-10-2006, 02:37
Following the Shanghai incident, the Local Garrison Commander and the Shanghai Governor-General are sacked and replaced by more careful personnel. In reponse, 120,000 (.61 points) pounds are given to the families of the victims.

However, the amount donated fluctuates, as the more influential families acquire much more as an "incentive" to bring more peace to the City.

In the Meantime, a shiny new Battlecrusier, the HMS Hood arrives in Shanghai soon afterwards and docks in the City for several months.
Kilani
10-10-2006, 05:57
Russia publicly offers Imperial China a mutual defense treaty and proposes construction of a new railway through Central Asia to link the two countries.
Galveston Bay
10-10-2006, 19:55
January – February 1911
Fujian campaign
Italy, tired of the protracted fighting around Fuzhou, launches a major offensive aimed at nothing less then clearing all of Fujian province of KMT forces and imposing a peace on the KMT government. The weather is also reasonable, allowing a campaign to be launched.

Using destroyers and protected cruisers, the Italian fleet is able to send a warship to each of the Chinese treaty ports capable of handling a warship, effectively preventing the Chinese Navy from recovering from the losses it suffered the previous year (as it has no place to go). Italian battleships also take station near Guangzhou, effectively preventing KMT forces in the Guangdong province from moving and also bombarding KMT military positions.

KMT Army
Guangdong Army
3 garrison units
Guangxi Army
1 garrison unit
Hunan Army
2 garrison units
Jiangxi Army
3 garrison units
Zhejiang Army
3 garrison units
Fujian Army
1 garrison unit
Sichuan Army
3 garrison units
1 point, upgrade 3 garrison units, 1 cavalry division to 6 garrison units, 1 cavalry division, 5 light infantry divisions (all tech level 2) for 16 pts
Guazhou Army
3 garrison units .75, upgrade to 5 garrison units (4 points)

New Model Army (currently in Fujian)
4 Regular Infantry corps (plus one Portuguese Corps as advisors)
1 Light infantry units
1 cavalry division (technically from Sichuan, but attached to NMA)

2nd Army (Guangdong)
2 infantry corps

Italian forces
2 HQ, 1 supply unit, 3 infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions, 2 fortress corps (forming)

The Italians select a KMT infantry corps that is along the coast blocking the road to Xiamen and launch a major offensive, destroying it and inflicting 20,000 casualties at the cost of 5,000 Italian losses. The road now wide open, the Italians then advance along the coast with their 2 cavalry divisions while landing a marine brigade and taking Xiamen. Meanwhile, the rest of the Army continues to pressure the KMT, launching a general offensive that results in 50,000 KMT casualties and the destruction of a KMT infantry corps and forcing the rest of the KMT Army to retreat. A number of Portuguese troops also become casualties (5,000). However, it is an expensive victory, with 20,000 Italians becoming casualties (and 1 infantry corps destroyed) but the Italians have managed to conquer all of Fujian province.
Galveston Bay
10-10-2006, 19:56
Russia publicly offers Imperial China a mutual defense treaty and proposes construction of a new railway through Central Asia to link the two countries.

Imperial China accepts the treaty, signing it on January 20, 1911
Artitsa
10-10-2006, 19:58
(Twas two Fortress Corps, with a third being built this year, but not being sent.)
Galveston Bay
10-10-2006, 23:41
Imperial Chinese Army March 1911
regulars
2 infantry corps, 20 light infantry divisions
reserves
8 reserve infantry corps, 2 militia corps,

at this time the Imperial Army remains mobilized but is training and reequipping

deployment:
Xian – 4 light infantry divisions, 2 reserve infantry corps
Langchow – 4 light infantry divisions, 2 reserve infantry corps
Chengchow – 4 light infantry divisions, 2 reserve infantry corps
Taiyuan – 1 infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions, 2 reserve infantry corps
Hohhou – 1 infantry corps
Golmund – 2 light infantry divisions, 1 reserve militia corps
Yinchuan – 2 light infantry divisions, 1 reserve militia corps
Bautou – 2 light infantry divisions
Galveston Bay
11-10-2006, 03:18
January – February 1911
Fujian campaign
continued

.

Although driven out of the province, the KMT Army decides to pull everything it can together for an offensive to punish the Italian Army and possibly get the province back, or at least half of it.

Pulling forces from Goungdong, Sichuan and elsewhere, the KMT Army manages to assemble 2 infantry corps and 6 light infantry divisions and launches an attack in early February. In bitter and desperate fighting, the Italians are forced to retreat, giving up the western half of the province and suffering 15,000 casualties (and another corps destroyed) but at a heavy cost in Chinese casualties, 60,000 in all and 4 light infantry divisions destroyed.

Both sides now exhausted, the fighting ends for now.
New Dornalia
12-10-2006, 05:33
The Treaty of Fuzhou (Sino-Italian Peace Agreement)

After a series of tense negotiations, the KMT brass, including Song Jiaoren and Chiang Kai Shek, plus representatives from the Kingdom of Italy (their Shanghai Consulate, mainly, plus the commander of the Italian East Asia Expeditionary Force), have agreed upon the following:

1.The island of Quemoy and associated islands shall be ceded to the Kingdom of Italy for their use as a military base.

2.The Kingdom, in exchange, shall vacate its forces from Fujian Province proper.

3.We also resolve that the Kingdom of Italy and the Republic of China, having experienced untold suffering and damage to property and personnel, shall resolve to refrain from aggressive actions in the future against one another (OOC: A nonaggression clause).
Galveston Bay
12-10-2006, 05:39
ooc
KMT / Italy treaty occurs in March by the way

IC
In March, a corps of Russian infantry is deployed to Bautou to provide training cadre for the Imperial Army, and to also provide a tripwire in case the Japanese attack again.
Artitsa
12-10-2006, 05:57
Italy has agreed to this proposal, and immediatly begins to pull back. Preperations are made to bring home all the troops except for the two Fortress Corps which will protect the Islands.

Italian Plans for the Island include a rather large Naval Yard, Walled Island with a Naval Fortress, along with a large trade sector.
Galveston Bay
16-10-2006, 00:22
In early June 1911, Russian forces move into Henan province, along with the bulk of the Imperial regular Army. On June 12, the Imperials attack Shandong Province and the German heavy infantry corps present, as well as the 2 local warlord garrison divisions. Imperial casualties are heavy, but they massively outnumber the German and puppet Chinese forces, and smash them, taking first Jinan, and then threatening to overrun Tsingtao, and forcing the Germans to evacuate their civilians and remaining soldiers by June 30.

Imperial Chinese losses 60,000 (4 light infantry divisions destroyed)
local Chinese losses 40,000 (plus another 20,000 POWs and 20,000 of the initial losses are POWs)
German losses: 35,000 (including 15,000 POWs which the Imperials turn over to the Americans at Tsingtao in exchange for their parole)

The Imperial government also demands the withdrawal of German rights to Tientsin.
Galveston Bay
16-10-2006, 03:27
secret OC
Imperial China quietly informs the Republic of China that if it accepts economic or military aid from Germany that it will mean war with Imperial China. However, if the Republic of China is attacked again by Italy or is attacked by Japan then Imperial China will assist the Republic of China in repelling the invaders.

This information is passed via the United States incidently
New Dornalia
16-10-2006, 03:34
secret OC
Imperial China quietly informs the Republic of China that if it accepts economic or military aid from Germany that it will mean war with Imperial China. However, if the Republic of China is attacked again by Italy or is attacked by Japan then Imperial China will assist the Republic of China in repelling the invaders.

This information is passed via the United States incidently

The ROC, after examining their options, quietly expels all of its German advisors and quietly sends a message to the German Government through the US, declaring basically, "It was nice, but I think we'll have to stop recieving help from you for now. So do not send any more financial aid please....and I think we may want to stop the advisors too. Sorry."
Galveston Bay
19-10-2006, 19:42
August 1911
Imperial China continues to honor its pact with the Russian Empire and sends 3 corps of recruits (militia) to assist the Russians in defending itself from German aggression. The Russian Army also withdraws its corp from Imperial China for duties elsewhere.

Germany completes its withdrawel from China, transferring its rights to Tientsin to the Japanese.
Ato-Sara
19-10-2006, 22:59
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap-1.png
Game over for Germany in China.
Haneastic
19-10-2006, 23:07
August 1911
Imperial China continues to honor its pact with the Russian Empire and sends 3 corps of recruits (militia) to assist the Russians in defending itself from German aggression. The Russian Army also withdraws its corp from Imperial China for duties elsewhere.

Germany completes its withdrawel from China, transferring its rights to Tientsin to the Japanese.

Do I get the 6 resource pointf now? How many for 1911?
Galveston Bay
24-10-2006, 00:22
November / December 1911
In the Republic of China, over 200 Japanese are killed or wounded in numerous small incidents in the Treaty Ports. They are shot, blown up, strangled, poisoned and even run down by animal and motor driven vehicles.

It is clearly a concerted effort. Other foreigners are killed occasionally, but the main targets are clearly Japanese businessmen and diplomats.

No group takes responsibility, but placards appear in public places calling for all good Chinese to drive the Japanese barbarians out of China.

No such incidents occur in Imperial China (although there are fewer foreigners there in any case).
Galveston Bay
24-10-2006, 00:28
Do I get the 6 resource pointf now? How many for 1911?


ooc
you get 6 for Port Arthur, 6 for Harbin, and 6 for Tientsin (which replaced Beijing) each year. You don't get the 6 for Tientsin until 1912
Haneastic
24-10-2006, 00:35
November / December 1911
In the Republic of China, over 200 Japanese are killed or wounded in numerous small incidents in the Treaty Ports. They are shot, blown up, strangled, poisoned and even run down by animal and motor driven vehicles.

It is clearly a concerted effort. Other foreigners are killed occasionally, but the main targets are clearly Japanese businessmen and diplomats.

No group takes responsibility, but placards appear in public places calling for all good Chinese to drive the Japanese barbarians out of China.

No such incidents occur in Imperial China (although there are fewer foreigners there in any case).

Japan immediately issues travel warnings, and evacuates all citizens possible to ensure the deaths do not continue. Additional guards are posted around the embassy to the ROC and Imperial China, and Japanese Intelligence (my nice little intel agency) begin a large series of investigations into the deaths.

Japan also asks the Republic of China to begin similiar investigations, and to help Japanaese intelligence whenever possible
New Dornalia
25-10-2006, 01:30
Japan immediately issues travel warnings, and evacuates all citizens possible to ensure the deaths do not continue. Additional guards are posted around the embassy to the ROC and Imperial China, and Japanese Intelligence (my nice little intel agency) begin a large series of investigations into the deaths.

Japan also asks the Republic of China to begin similiar investigations, and to help Japanaese intelligence whenever possible

The RoC Government agrees to conduct investigations, but informs the Japanese they will do so on their own, and can only provide the most limited of assistance to their Intelligence service.
Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 00:47
January / February 1912
Anti Japanese rioting breaks out in Wuhan, Hefei, Nanching and Nanjing, and rioters also attempt to assault the Japanese Embassy located in the Republic of China. KMT troops are able to restore order after 3 days, and many communist and socialists are killed (nearly 20,000 rioters dead, but so are 200 more Japanese)

Japanese business and investment interests in the Republic of China are also heavily damaged (Japan loses 2 production points for 1912)
Haneastic
26-10-2006, 01:59
January / February 1912
Anti Japanese rioting breaks out in Wuhan, Hefei, Nanching and Nanjing, and rioters also attempt to assault the Japanese Embassy located in the Republic of China. KMT troops are able to restore order after 3 days, and many communist and socialists are killed (nearly 20,000 rioters dead, but so are 200 more Japanese)

Japanese business and investment interests in the Republic of China are also heavily damaged (Japan loses 2 production points for 1912)

Japan evacuates all but the barest skeleton forces in China, and every businessman is ordered to return to Japan.

OOC: I'm guessing GB that my earlier recall orders were too late?
Haneastic
26-10-2006, 02:16
Meanwhile, in Japanese held China...

Japanese and Manchurian and Chinese support troops begin sweeps for socialists, anarchists, and ultra-nationalists such as leftover boxers. Several thousand known subervisives are arrested, given speedy show trials and sent to labor battalions to work on construction of defensive belts on the Russo-Japanese border or Chinese-Japanese border. Several thousand more are black-listed and tailed by Japanese Intelligence agents.

Stern warnings are issued not to attempt such activity and to turn in any known subversive. Large rewards are given to people who name subervsives and can be verified, and harsh penalties to those who withhold information

OOC: not sure how many I get
Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 02:21
Japan evacuates all but the barest skeleton forces in China, and every businessman is ordered to return to Japan.

OOC: I'm guessing GB that my earlier recall orders were too late?

ooc
they weren't all out yet

IC
Meanwhile, in Japan, the Black Dragon Society and others of ultra nationalist ilk demand Japan step in and bring order to southern China.

Rumblings of plans begin to emerge as well.

ooc
Some of the nationalists and ultranationalists see opportunity, and definitely provocation.
Ato-Sara
26-10-2006, 11:33
The Republic of China is contacted by the govenor of Macau, Luiz Mascarenhas, enquiring on behalf of the Portuguese government whether the majority of the Portuguese advisors in China may return home. Leaving a small contingent to continue with helping the training of troops.

On a side note the RoC is offered the purchase of the Armoured Cruiser NPR Rainha Dona Amelia for 2 points.
New Dornalia
26-10-2006, 17:33
As the Japanese do their crackdowns, the KMT initiates its own series of purges and crackdowns, taking advantage of the riots to eliminate unwanted elements in "Operation: Strike Hard."

Ministry of State Security elements fan out all over KMT China, rounding up Socialist Labor leaders, members of medium and small sized socialist factions, and local politicians and even military felt to be threats to the KMT (either by sectionalism or by sheer crookedness), and accusing them all of "treason," "conspiracy," and being "threats to the social order." They are put on trial in a series of show trials in Guangdong, Wuhan, and other major cities, where evidence and witnesses, real or not, are used to convict many of these suspects.

A good many of the more important figures are shot in public executions; those judged to be lower level figures by MSS are put into chain gangs.
Galveston Bay
27-10-2006, 00:23
secret IC
Leading Socialists and Communists go deep underground as a result of oppression in the Republic of China and Japanese Territory, or flee to foreign enclaves like Shanghai and Hong Kong.

They begin to make plans for the future and use the oppression and its effects to recruit followers. One day they will liberate China from the rule of the corrupt KMT and Imperialist powers.

ooc
not soon though..basically the purges and show trials are wiping out the naive, foolish or rash. The survivors will be much more dangerous. Just like in RL
New Dornalia
27-10-2006, 00:30
secret IC
Leading Socialists and Communists go deep underground as a result of oppression in the Republic of China and Japanese Territory, or flee to foreign enclaves like Shanghai and Hong Kong.

They begin to make plans for the future and use the oppression and its effects to recruit followers. One day they will liberate China from the rule of the corrupt KMT and Imperialist powers.

ooc
not soon though..basically the purges and show trials are wiping out the naive, foolish or rash. The survivors will be much more dangerous. Just like in RL

OOC: Not many non-communist "threats" were wiped out, then, I take it?
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 06:44
OOC: Not many non-communist "threats" were wiped out, then, I take it?

ooc
you kill or imprison lots of them, around 50,000
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 06:51
On August 12, 1912, when it becomes clear that the French Empire in Indochina has been destroyed, the government of Yunnan declares for the KMT and Republic of China and interns all French and Allied personnel (having already done so to all Coalition citizens at the start of the war). These people are then handed over to the Nationalist Government to deal with.

Meanwhile, the situation in Sichuan worsens for its role in the Republic of China. Considerable disapproval over the proposed treaty with Japan exists in the halls of government and careful arrangements are made.

On August 23, the government of Sichuan secedes from the Republic of China, and takes with it 3 garrison units and 1 cavalry division (which starts marching for home

ooc
check with Malkyer to see what he spent in Yunnan.
Ato-Sara
06-11-2006, 08:33
New updated map of China:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 17:47
September October 1912
KMT troops move to suppress the secession and rebellion of Sichuan with military force.

The Sichuan cavalry division attempting to return home is first stopped, and then forceably disarmed by KMT troops and its personnel are captured.

In mid September, the KMT sends in 6 infantry corps to suppress the revolt. However, the Sichuan Army has evacuated to Imperial China and provides 1 static infantry corps to the Imperial Army (rest dissolves).

Unoppossed, the KMT restores Sichuan to the Republic.
Ato-Sara
08-11-2006, 20:06
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png

Updated the divided China map again.
New Dornalia
08-11-2006, 22:32
September October 1912
KMT troops move to suppress the secession and rebellion of Sichuan with military force.

The Sichuan cavalry division attempting to return home is first stopped, and then forceably disarmed by KMT troops and its personnel are captured.

In mid September, the KMT sends in 6 infantry corps to suppress the revolt. However, the Sichuan Army has evacuated to Imperial China and provides 1 static infantry corps to the Imperial Army (rest dissolves).

Unoppossed, the KMT restores Sichuan to the Republic.

The KMT issues a statement, declaring:

"The secessionist, reactionary elements in the rogue province of Sichuan have been suppressed, and Sichuan has been restored once more to the Republic. Anybody who wishes to try and do harm to the Republic in such a manner again will face our wrath once more."

Meanwhile, the Ministry for State Security fans out into Sichuan, eager to arrest those who supported secession, and bring them for "questioning (read: show trials and long terms in a chain gang)." Meanwhile, those Cavalrymen who were arrested by KMT loyalists are sentenced. Regular "grunts" are promptly sentenced to hard labor for the mutiny, NCOs and the commander are executed for mutiny charges.
Galveston Bay
17-11-2006, 20:20
March / April 1913
Imperial China wins a great victory over the Japanese

In Washington DC, an Imperial spokesman releases to a the US press the following statement.

"The Japanese Barbarian invaders have been driven north of the Great Wall after a brave and costly struggle by His Imperial Majesty's Armies.

Having secured the sacred borders of China to the north, the Imperial Government wishes it to be known that it will not surrender our soil to Japan at any peace conference.

Othewise the Imperial Government seeks peace."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11961023&postcount=258

Specifically not mentioned is Manchuria, which analysts think means that the Imperial Government is willing to write that off for now.
Cylea
17-11-2006, 23:45
March / April 1913
Imperial China wins a great victory over the Japanese

In Washington DC, an Imperial spokesman releases to a the US press the following statement.

"The Japanese Barbarian invaders have been driven north of the Great Wall after a brave and costly struggle by His Imperial Majesty's Armies.

Having secured the sacred borders of China to the north, the Imperial Government wishes it to be known that it will not surrender our soil to Japan at any peace conference.

Othewise the Imperial Government seeks peace."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11961023&postcount=258

Specifically not mentioned is Manchuria, which analysts think means that the Imperial Government is willing to write that off for now.

A fairly prominent US State Department official is quoted as saying that the American terms for Japan at the upcoming Arlington Conference look more than reasonable in light of recent events. The Japanese keeping even Manchuria and Korea could be construed as generous at this point (in light of Japanese aggression) and that Tokyo pushing for anything more is not going to look good at all...
Galveston Bay
22-11-2006, 01:31
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png

Updated the divided China map again.

ooc
time for a new map I think
the following have expressed interest in playing Imperial China... Middle Snu, Ato-Sara, and Amestria. My first choice would be Middle Snu as he didn't get to play a major power last game, and was extremely helpful both games, with Ato-Sara being second choice for same reasons (although he did get to play a major power in the form of USAE for the 1940s-60s period). Amestria got to play France for a while this game, a major power, which is why she is my third choice.

Middle Snu, indicate interest by TG or replying to this post. Imperial China will not be available however until 1914, and I will handle its 1914 build. It becomes a PC nation when the current Emperor Yuan dies (as he did around this time period, probably from heart attack in 1915 in RL). As he has a designated successor, transfer of power should be seemless enough this time.
Ato-Sara
22-11-2006, 01:42
time for a new map I think

Tell me what you want done and I should be able to make it happen.
Galveston Bay
22-11-2006, 01:50
Tell me what you want done and I should be able to make it happen.

Hebei, Beijing and Tanjin provinces are under Imperial Chinese control and if peace treaty is resolved, so then Russia is giving back Sinkiang, and Western Outer Mongolia, and Japan is giving back Eastern Outer Mongolia (all three to Imperial China)
Ato-Sara
22-11-2006, 01:59
Hebei, Beijing and Tanjin provinces are under Imperial Chinese control and if peace treaty is resolved, so then Russia is giving back Sinkiang, and Western Outer Mongolia, and Japan is giving back Eastern Outer Mongolia (all three to Imperial China)

So something like this then?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMapPost-Treaty.png

I am right in believing the Republic of Mengjiang no longer exsists?
Amestria
22-11-2006, 02:35
OOC: I agree with GB, Middle Snu should be Imperial Chinese player.

BTW: Emperor (President) Yuan in RL died in 1916 from liver problems.
Galveston Bay
22-11-2006, 03:06
So something like this then?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMapPost-Treaty.png

I am right in believing the Republic of Mengjiang no longer exsists?

correct.. you know Imperial China would be a lot more impressive if nearly half of it wasn't desert..lol
Galveston Bay
22-11-2006, 03:07
OOC: I agree with GB, Middle Snu should be Imperial Chinese player.

BTW: Emperor (President) Yuan in RL died in 1916 from liver problems.

ooc
I will take poetic license and assume the stress of the war wears him out early and he will die a hero and venerated old man before his time.
Galveston Bay
02-12-2006, 00:00
May 23, 1914
the Emporer Yuan Shikai dies in his home from a heart attack and complications of the flu. An announcement follows shortly thereafter to the world press that the Defender of China, 1st Emporer of the Shikai dynasty has gone to heaven to meet his ancestors and that the new Emporer Duan Qirui, his son in law, will have a coronation soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duan_Qirui
Kilani
02-12-2006, 00:47
May 23, 1914
the Emporer Yuan Shikai dies in his home from a heart attach and complications of the flu. An announcement follows shortly thereafter to the world press that the Defender of China, 1st Emporer of the Shikai dynasty has gone to heaven to meet his ancestors and that the new Emporer Duan Qirui, his son in law, will have a coronation soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duan_Qirui

The Regent, Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich, and PM Stolypin express their deep condolences to the Chinese people and the Chinese court at losing such an effective and popular ruler. The Russian embassy in the Imperial Chinese capital flies its flag at half-mast.
Galveston Bay
16-01-2007, 18:27
The First Communist Revolution in China 1924

As oppression by the KMT intensifies, and corruption continues to by a serious problem in the Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party gets increasingly eager to attempt to overthrow the KMT. By 1923, revolutionary cadres are in all of the major cities, and they have convinced themselves that the people will rise with them if only given the signal. By the fall of 1923, and into the winter, increasing steps are made to attempt revolution, and the Party has convinced itself, in spite of dissent and warnings by some junior party members, that success is inevitable.

On February 5, 1924, as the Chinese New Year begins, the CCP launches its revolution. Armed militia groups rise up throughout China and call for the workers to join them.

Sadly for the CCP, the workers aren’t in the mood to die for the Party, and watch with detachment as the KMT Army and Police move in and kill Communist militia by the thousands.

Within days its over, and the CCP has taken a severe blow. Survivors flee or go underground and rethink their strategy, and more importantly, their doctrine.

OOC
CCP had 8 untrained militia units, and are easily as they attack KMT garrison, regular army and police units. KMT losses are minimal.

Over 90,000 Communists are killed.

This opens the way for the CCP to shift its objectives from an urban proletarian revolution to a rural peasant based revolution and will ultimately open the door for Mao. Serious setbacks and disasters however are likely in the future.

Parthini is now the CCP player, and 5% of the KMT budget is lost each year as it actually goes to the CCP. So now there is a third faction in Divided China.
[NS]Parthini
16-01-2007, 20:50
OOC: Several questions:

Is 5% of the budget after or before Corruption and all that other stuff.

Do I start out with any units or anything?
New Dornalia
16-01-2007, 21:12
In the wake of the failed revolt, the KMT leadership congratulates the Special Republican Peacekeeping Force and the regular Army's success in suppressing Communist revolt. Secretly however, it begins to consider a truce with the Communists in the event of war with ithe Imperals, knowing that if war breaks out, it would pay to have them at the very least not hurting the KMT actively.

Meanwhile, the leadership also steps up its land reform plan....(OOC: Think continued pointage to that end.)

OOC: Also, what can I do for genuine reforms?
Galveston Bay
25-01-2007, 01:33
KMT China (Republic of China)
Resource points
Changsha 2, Kwieyang 3, Chengtu 5, Chungking 12,
Special Resources:
3 Coal
Production Centers:
3 at Changsha
3 at Kweiyang
1 at Chengtu
population under KMT control 200 million
food production 220
Excess food sales: 7 points

1920 Military – 27 points
1 Motor HQ, 8 Regular Infantry corps (plus one Portuguese Corps as advisors), 2 Motor Infantry Corps, 10 Motor Infantry Divisions, 6 Light/Mt. Infantry Divisions, 13 light infantry brigades, 5 motorized infantry brigades, 5 police divisions,
1 air depot (Guangdong), 3 fighter units, 3 light bomber units
2 battleships (BC1), 6 CL, 2 destroyer flotillas

level 2 social spending – 38 points

1920 budget – national effort and corruption (65 points, enough for maintenance), Portuguese go home due to domestic pressure in Portugal, 1 fighter unit phased out
1921 budget
national effort spending 71 – 15% (corruption and recession) = 60 points
Maintenance (total) 65
Shortfalls force army to convert 5 motorized infantry brigades to light infantry
1922 – US provides 10 points, which is enough to build a naval base after 12 light infantry brigades are converted into 4 police units
1923 – US provides 20 points, which are used to 10 more police divisions, and expected expenses force KMT Army to convert 2 motorized infantry corps to regular infantry, and 10 motorized infantry divisions into light infantry
1924 – no US aid
Military 1924
Army
1 motorized HQ, 10 infantry corps, 16 light infantry divisions, 6 light infantry brigades, 19 police divisions,
Navy
2 old battleships (3-2-5-4), 6 CL (1-0-6-4), 2 DD1 flotillas, 1 naval base (Canton), 1 air depot (Guangdong), 2 fighter units, 3 light bomber units

1925 budget
KMT is forced to go off national effort as inflation spirals and unrest becomes worrisome. The Depression is now a serious problem, and the KMT government must face the fact that further cuts are needed. Social spending is cut to level 1, and more cuts are made in the military, as the motorized HQ becomes an HQ, 10 infantry corps are demobilized, and 1 light bomber unit is demobilized and air depot is demobilized.

Available income: production (normal spending) 28 + 16 (resources) = 44 – corruption = 40
Level 1 social spending – 22 points
Military spending 17 points
Intelligence budget 5 points

Military 1925
Army
1 HQ, 16 light infantry divisions, 6 light infantry brigades, 19 police divisions,
Navy
2 old battleships (3-2-5-4), 6 CL (1-0-6-4), 2 DD1 flotillas, 1 naval base (Canton), 2 fighter units, 2 light bomber units

Westerners advise the Nationalist Government to either cut the military further or continue to face the fact that no growth can be expected for a long time to come.
Unless someone bails the KMT government out financially.

Land reform becomes a dead issue as there simply aren’t the funds to pay for it and there is too much resistance to get it to work otherwise.
[NS]Parthini
25-01-2007, 02:08
OOC: Can you post where the various units are stationed?
Galveston Bay
26-01-2007, 18:30
1925
The Depression raises tensions in China and millions are thrown out of work in all three China's. In Manchuria and Korea, Japanese industrialist behave normally, and following the usual Japanese cultural pattern, lay off Koreans and Manchurians first, while doing their best to keep any Japanese workers.

This naturally creates bitter resentment on top of already considerable resentment over Japanese colonization and the obvious attempt by Japan to submerge Korean and Manchurian culture and demographics with their own.

Terrorist type attacks begin in Manchuria and Korea, starting with assassinations and continuing with bombings, sabotage and robberies of Japanese people and businesses.

ooc
CCP has a guerilla unit in Port Arthur and Harbin, and Koreans have a guerilla unit in Seoul. Although the Japanese have a very considerable secret police and intelligence network, it is the police and garrison units in Korea that are what ends up fighting the campaign. Heavily outnumbered, the Korean guerilla unit is gradually destroyed via attrition over the course of 1925.. 5,000 Koreans killed or captured (and then killed), along with 30,000 more rounded up and imprisoned. Japan suffers 2,000 casualties.

Meanwhile, in Manchuria, 2 CCP guerilla units face off Japanese police divisions and an attritional war there lasts over the year. Along with the fighting, the CCP launches strikes by Manchurian workers to hurt the Japanese economy. This results in Japan suffering serious disruptions in coal and iron ore production from Manchuria this year (no growth for 1925 in addition to existing Depression effects). The guerilla units are gradually destroyed as well, with 10,000 Chinese dead, along with another 100,000 Manchurians imprisoned (Japan can use them for slave labor should it desire).

In Imperial China, in the mountians northwest of Lanchow, the CCP begins currying the favor of the locals, building up local support.

In the Republic of China, endemic economic inefficiencies and corruption are a serious problem and in spite of the large KMT national police force, the CCP places guerilla units in Chungking, Chengtu, Kweiyang, and Changsha. With 19 police divisions, the KMT react fiercely, and attritional combat continues over the course of the year, resulting in the destruction of all of the CCP guerilla units and resulting in government forces killing 200,000 people. However, over 40,000 KMT troops are also lost (along with 2 police divisions).

The guerilla war brings industrial production to a standstill however, forcing the KMT government to go to wartime spending as it borrows huge amounts of money to keep itself going.
Haneastic
26-01-2007, 22:21
The Japanese government is outraged over the attempts at revolt in Manchuria and Korea, with many dark mutterings over the distrustfulness of the Koreans and Manchurians. 6 New Police Divisions are formed in 1926, and a garrison unit is moved into Manchuria.
Amestria
27-01-2007, 09:08
1925
The guerilla war brings industrial production to a standstill however, forcing the KMT government to go to wartime spending as it borrows huge amounts of money to keep itself going.

Greatly worried by the number of high interest loans being made to the KMT government by French banks, the Ministries of National Economy, Finance, and Commerce announce that the French State will be assuming all existing French loans to KMT China at the start of 1926 and, as of August 1925, are forbidding French banks from making any further loans to KMT China.

Says Minister of Commerce Paul Painlevé to the French press, "We have no confidence in the KMT's long term viability, much less its future ability to repay its debts."