NationStates Jolt Archive

The Peacefull and Free Land of Pablicosta is looking to completely regenerate the Transport network in our country, and we want to offer the contract out to the great nations with expertise in this field.

We have some ideas allready, but if you put forward a proposal which differs from our ideas we are happy to negotiate. From a cash flow point of view, we are willing to spend US$2 Trillion in the first year of development, and a further US$3 Trillion per year after that if necessery.
It is essential that this new network is one of the best, if not the best constructed on Earth.
The project will rejuvinate from the ground up the entire network, starting with the Railways and Airports, moving to Roads, Seaports and Space Docks, info below.

Our Ideas

Rail Network
We want to move away from traditional railway technology using 'wheels on tracks', our ideas include advanced MagLev to accelerate beyong current standards. Also, it is essential that our trains are high comfort models. We are in favour of using cars much wider than standard ones to accomodate more people in greater comfort. If possible we would like 2 floors to each train, although if this comprimises speed and efficiency too much we will settle for single floor units.
Included in the project will of course be Stations, we wish to have several massive travel hubs which will have facilities for multiple modes of transport whilst keeping every passenger in absolute luxury before and after their journey.

This bump would be faster if you guys built me a better rail network.

OOC: Try Lionel Electro-Motive Division (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476458)

They seem pretty good, im just asking them for a contract but their a bit slow replying(i'll try a TG to Omni-sense or somesuch thing).

Also possibly a map would be useful? That way the main railways could be listed on it which could look impressive.

Thanks, I'm checking in with them now. Any other offers are appreciated.

Dragon Lines (a subsidy of the Dracko Conglomerate(R)) has been servicing Mondoth's substantial Mag-Lev public railways for years and has gained much experience in constructing and maintaining such rail-lines.If you could provide us with more detailed information on youyr requirements (size of area to be serviced, number of cities to be serviced etc.), we would be glad to make a bid on this project.

Reserved for offer... dont have time right now. Doing homework.

Dragon Lines (a subsidy of the Dracko Conglomerate(R)) has been servicing Mondoth's substantial Mag-Lev public railways for years and has gained much experience in constructing and maintaining such rail-lines.If you could provide us with more detailed information on youyr requirements (size of area to be serviced, number of cities to be serviced etc.), we would be glad to make a bid on this project.

Okay, I have an old map-but the nation is changing shape, we're moving in the region. What could you offer us that is unique?

Just an off the wall OOC thing.

Maglev in vacum sealed tunnel of flat trajectory.
The chunnel on speed essentially...

Some might consider making an extensive network of such tunnels is PMT, but chances are you can make a few express long distance tunnels of this sort (1,500 miles in 2 hours or less for example) with massive backing in an MT nation.

Extremely long tunnels of this nature would be very difficult. (tunnels are underground because the curvature of the planet acts as a mountain compared to trains ballistic trajectory [you may even be going faster than a space satalite])

On a side note, my nation has tunnels capable of that, but still uses old "wheel and steel" trains.

How do you go from tunnel vaccuum to an open station though?

How do you go from tunnel vaccuum to an open station though?

it may be like futurama

How do you go from tunnel vaccuum to an open station though?

Airlocks.


Branch off main line to station (dead end for tube) Stop train, seal section, repressurize tunnel section, remove train, offload, onload, add train, reseal section, depressurize, open tunel, start moving. Repeat until satisfied.
And it doesn't have to be an utterly perfect vacuum, just as close to it as you can safely get.

This method of transportation has been in the works since the 70s, but, just like manned missions to the moon and mars, we just don't see any benfits that outwiegh the cost.

Though we did essentailly build a 'miniature' version of it in order to study dark matter...

The biggest tumbling blocks would be maintnance, and making the tunnel safe, and swithing the infrastructure from a wheel and rail domminated system to a maglev, then ultimately to the evacuated tube maglev (CBW would not be able to be spread in the tunnels, and bums caught in it would choke to death).

You could section the tunnel off, and say if the train crashed you could block off the system, and repressurize just that section allowing folks to live. Of course, getting an emergency force in there would be a pain in the ass, unless we built access tunnels into each section from the surface.

[OOC: May I suggest Zepplin Manufacturers (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Zepplin_Manufacturers), who is a good designer at all levels (because he is a multi-tech nation), and has some excellent train designs as well that he could help you make up (he once was in a nice mood, on the now defunct Lineartinc boards, and made me a maglev train for me!). Go TG him for more details on a rail network and perhaps role-play a meeting between a ZMI representative and your government.]

Thanks. I'l get in touch and if they'd like to put an offer forward I'l consider it.

You could section the tunnel off, and say if the train crashed you could block off the system, and repressurize just that section allowing folks to live. Of course, getting an emergency force in there would be a pain in the ass, unless we built access tunnels into each section from the surface.

I did say it was an off the wall OOC idea that just happened to be floating around doing nothing...

There are multiple reasons why one of the bigger stumbling blocks is safety.

Okay, I have an old map-but the nation is changing shape, we're moving in the region. What could you offer us that is unique?

Dragon Lines has been supplying high capacity, high velocity inter-and intra-city maglevs to the Mondothian Public Transportation Dept. for years. Our tracks are low maintenance due to proprietary advances in carbon semi-conductor technology, however, our best advantage over competitors is our trains themselves. Capable of equivalent capacties to conventional diesel/electric trains, our Mag-levs are clean running and can maintain speeds of up to 400 mph or more for strictly passenger rails. Safety is a huge concern at Dragon Lines and our trains are the safest around, with a low center of gravity to help take turns and curves at top speeds with-out roll-over, and a tough construction that can take a beating without injuring passengers int he unlikely event of an accident.
In Mondoth, Dragn Lines mag-levs have almost tottally supplanted interstate high-ways as the primary means of long distance transport, creating jobs, reducing vehicle accidents and pollution. You nation could be the next to reap these wonderful benefits!

Can you give us the specifications for your system? How many passengers can you fit? Whats the power requirement like? General information about the interiors?

Bryn Shander has been using underground maglevs as the primary form of transportation for both regional and municipal traffic for as long as most can remember. Because of strict environmental regulations banning above-ground highways and railroads and requiring vehicles to emit zero emissions, mass transit in the form of maglevs is the preferred mode of transport for passengers and cargo alike. Long ago, Bryn Shanderan engineers also designed the military rapid response maglev system for the now defunct Osaka Security Treaty in Haven.

Bryn Shanderan maglevs are closed systems contained within a sealed tunnel that has had the air pumped out to a near complete vacuum. Passenger and pressure sensitive cargos are contained within pressurised cars, while other cargos are kept within unpressurized cars much like the way airlines keep passengers and such within the pressurized cabin and the cargo hold is unpressurized.

For station stops, the system is much like the systems for docking rescue submarines to larger subs. A gantry extends from the side of the tunnel and seals against the side of the car around the door, and then pressure within the newly formed airlock is equalized. After that, the cargo and passengers can be loaded and unloaded as needed.

For drilling the tunnels, a high powered array of lasers are attatched to the rotating drill head rather than wheels for crushing the rock as in most current drilling machines. Tunnel size can also be modified simply by adjusting the array's focus, but this means that larger tunnels will take longer to drill. Fortunately, even absurdly large tunnels can be drilled in far less time than a normal sized tunnel could be created with traditional drills. As with the tunnels, Bryn Shanderan maglev cars and trains can be built to whatever sizes are required for the job at hand.

One wonders if
A) You read the same article/book as I did
and
B) You simply read my posts and came up with a solution

Either way, I don't mind, I wasn't going to use the idea myself...
It was just collecting dust.

One wonders if
A) You read the same article/book as I did
and
B) You simply read my posts and came up with a solution

Either way, I don't mind, I wasn't going to use the idea myself...
It was just collecting dust.

Or C) I dealt with this problem two years ago when I designed the OST system.

Or C) I dealt with this problem two years ago when I designed the OST system.

So you took option A?
Independent Research.

The tank was developed parrallel but not jointly by both the French and British at the same time.
(Both tank projects were held secret from each other)
And yet they appeared within weeks of each other on the battlefield.

I didn't think anybody else took interest in evacuated tunnel maglevs...
(It is likened to riding a railgun in more advanced concepts)

The concept of railguns/maglevs are about the same to begin with...

OST... sounds familiar... I should most likely remember that one, ooh... Shiny...
[Goes off chasing a shiny thing]

There isn't really much to research. It's simply the only possible way to get the speed of a maglev within a tunnel system, especially on such a large scale. Having secondary tunnels for the pressurized air at the front of the train to escape to simply wouldn't work with the speeds and distances involved.