NationStates Jolt Archive

this thread is the ooc, planning, discussion, debate, etc etc thread for the RP that was planned here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498544

so that you don't have to wade through many pages of us working out what we were going to do before we started, largely irrelivant to what we ended up with, this thread was begun.

this RP is starting in the equivilant of sometime in the first centuary of the second millenium AD [for referance, RL, we're currently in the 1st centuary of the 3rd mellenium, inconsistancys and revisions to the calanders asside]

the 'factbook' threads are also the threads for any events that go on within that nations borders. major wars will get their own threads.

i'll post links to factbooks as i get them, but here's the ones i have already and haven't managed to lose yet:

Angermanland: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499512
Toopoxia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499621
the Ralish (empire): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499502
Aridiris: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11684278#post11684278
Osteia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499818
Kirisubo: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11688515#post11688515
Caladonn: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11693602&posted=1#post11693602
Kamasha: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11698880#post11698880
Terra Incognitia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11712478#post11712478
Madnestan: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11714084#post11714084
Philanchez: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500606
Frozopia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11735503#post11735503
The Esteemed Infinus (the Mishin Empire) http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501399

can't play untill you have a factbook link here.

war threads:
Angermanland Vs Ralsih: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11722849#post11722849
Caladonn Vs Ralish: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11732874#post11732874
Evil Frozopian Agressors! (Frozopia Vs Angermanland) : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11760573&posted=1#post11760573


also: Read these! if you're aware of the things outlined in these posts, you're less likely to do something stupid by accident [or on purpose] and agrivate people. some of the stuff isn't directly applicable as we mostly don't use direct translations from NS stats, but it's still useful.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=367578 << first two posts. 'What Godmoding Is' so you can avoid it :D
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275828 << 'What Logistics Is' ... so your troops get fed. look for posts by the original poster. it deals with MT in the first post, and later FT, and perhaps PT in the middle there, i'm not sure.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=297064 << 'Economy, Militaries, and Invasions' so you don't crash your nation [or fail to when you should!] again, look for posts by the OP. there's a lot of clutter in between.

The Art of War [Sun Tzu]. ok, it's not a thread, but run a google search and you'll probibly find several english versions available free on the 'net. far too many players fight tactics and ignore stratagy and logistics. perhaps reading this will rectify that :D

we're still takeing more people. prefurably good RPers, but i think we'll take anyone who doesn't cause problems.

please, if you decide to leave, actually tell us before vanishing.

anyway, this RP is now officially underway :)

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http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/jpfreely/yeoldemapwt9.png

Of course, it's formatted. It's actually much bigger. Have a look.

Myself and Philanchez are the map editors. If you need something changed make a post in this thread with something attention getting, ie. Hey Aridiris. I, at least, don't read everything in this RP, so I might not notice all RP'd territorial changes.

humm. take a look at my updated fact book. specificly the military section. does that look better than it did before? i figure i can probibly, at most, gather three times that many Destreix, 10 times as many ouhlansadeix, 10 times as many ouhjavalinadeix, 10 times as many ouhhalbardadeix, [totaling around 50,000, mabey nearer 51.] and probibly another 1-300,000 mismatched assorted rabble if i absolutly must. [total]

what year are we talking about?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499818

Osteian factbook.....^^^^^^^^^^

:)

By the way,

THIS IS NS REALLYDRUNK...

For those of you who don't know...

More nations need to sign up! :)

Sign ups, get your sign ups!

:)

Yo Ost dude, I'ma ask the same think I asked Ralish but to you, see my peoples speak Latin cos they came from the Latino area and travelled to Mongolia before being consumed by the Enslavers and then returning to Europe, so is it oki if my peoples originally came from Osteia but don't have any noticible links other than language ATM?

That is not a problem, feel free to post that if you want.

And this is NS Reallydrunk, but...RD don't work no more so i have to use Osteia, but thats fine...

Getting used to it now :)

Oh, yeah and by the way...

Factbooks are looking great.

Bump....

Question...

How many nations are we waiting for before we start?

i'm pretty sure i can do a 1100's Kirisubo if there still space.

it will be a time of stability for the Kirisuban Federation which is a loose association of warlords and the nation being led by a puppet Emperor.

the Imperial fleet would most likely be quite active in their home waters since their main job is to watch for invasions and hunt pirates.

ok. if you check the first post it says [in a round about kind of way] that it's the equivilant of sometime between 1000ad and 1100 ad when we start.

actually, i think you'll find that, while more nations would be nice, we're not Waiting for any of them :D

umm. bumps are highly unnessisary, you know.

i'll put your factbook in the list, Osteia.

plenty of room for Kirisubo :) make up a fact book, stake a claim, and join in. oh yeah. the bits of the world that arn't on the map at the moment Are available. it's just easyer to see the map and doesn't screw up the thread when it's cropped like that, and no one had claimed any of the missing bits.

Yes, I think that if people claim territory outside of Europe, North Africa, and Central Asia (id est the places active so far) I'll perhaps split up the world map into continents and post them individually, so they can each be big enough to see what's what.

I think that if anyone wants to do anything in RP they can start now, and new players can just join in as they come, within reason, yes?

I'll be looking at a new location for Kirisubo.

the chain of Kirisuban islands will be 100 miles east from Japan and each island will be the size of one of home islands of japan (just stretched out like 5 sausages).

If you can't add landmasses to the map i'll work with Japan instead.

pretty much. heh. there should be a LOT of tiney nations around europe at this point. i mean, a lot of them would be Ralish vassles, but all our nations are really too Big, if you think about it. my territory includes what would be a several different principalitys, various pagan tribes, and some random indiependat counts.

the Ralish includes Byzantium AND germany.... the two largest kingdomes of the era. Caladonn's britain includes england, scotland, wales, and the various indipenat irish lords... the list goes on :)


anyway, my point is, we really can't have any more Large nations in europe.. but there's plenty of room for smaller/expansionist/merceneary types.

as for asia... well, i stipulate one limit: China, and thus the associated population Cannot be under one ruler. it's too freaken huge. same with india.

oh.. incidently, looking at it, this RP is set Before the old pt rp, so anyone combineing both into the history of their nation [i'm not :P] should keep that in mind.

splitting the map up sounds like a good idea. mabey not Exactly by continent, but roughly, yeah.

My nation is basicly trying to get back on it's feet, we are attached to the greater Ralish but might even start to fight for independance. I could add that after the empire fell The Ralish started taxing my people to kinda pay our way out of an invasion....

The lords of the land could pay tribute to The Ralish, if he agrees....

Also some lords, would even have their soldiers for hire...

Everyone i would assume has read my factbook, my soldiers are very well armed and could prove to be useful in a battle, if my nation was united once more...it would be even more powerful.

There are sort of a lot of nations, in a reduced fashion. Large parts of the Ralish Empire live their lives as nations of their own, the people thinking only of themselves and their community, and would be independent but for the fact that the local militia could wake them up one moring, shove a spear in their hands, and congratulate them on being chosen to kill a couple of barbarians who've been bothering some guy called King Ralish :)

Osteia's people are presumably somewhat like that. They may labour in the fields for, say, twelve hours without fully appreciating that while four hours feeds them, four hours feeds the Osteian nobility/church/whatever, and four hours feeds the Alshorians via Osteian state tribute to Azaria. Even today, a person's productive energy doesn't just feed him and his family, but also his remote leaders and their war in some country he's never heard of, in support of a more powerful 'ally' he's never met. Alshor is the United States, and Osteia and Aridiris are Former Yugoslavia and Iraq. Independent, but only between inverted commas.

Moving on... I have no problem with one player ruling China, but then I intend to wreck most of my civilisation anyway, so maybe I shouldn't be venturing an opinion on that.

On Hok-Tu's civilisation: I don't mind new land being added to the map, if nobody else does. I wonder if maybe it should be up to Hok-Tu to draw it in, though. Heck, maybe other players will be interested in taking-over other parts of the map.

Ah, it's the weekend, I'm drunk again, I'm not going to get any rational thinking done, tonight. Ralish-Awayyy!
*Falls out window*

Yeah, in our weakened state (which we're trying to hide), the Empire would be quite afraid of Osteia's armoured knights and be accordingly keen to keep them busy and employed. If they're just sitting around, earning nothing more than a bit of tax money from farmers and cobblers, and winning no valour, we think they're more likely to try for total independence just to see if we'll give them a fight. If we give them a few coins and suggest a glorious campaign against some other rebels half way across the Empire, perhaps they won't sit around thinking about how much they dislike Alshor.

oy. i seriously hope my writing is as good as it seems, because my posts are getting Long. a second one just went up.

hehe. i'm building up to some interestingess on my southern border, eventually. just introducing charicters and stuff.

Soo, Osteia is some what like a Ralish Province...self governed..although no real goverment exists, and to a certian extent independant...

Given those conditions im sure it wouldn't make no sence to bite the hand that feeds, what remains of the Osteian military belongs to the lords that own the lands they live on. The militarys equipment that the soldiers have belonged to the previous empire that is why all their colours/banners/battle flags are still used, everything expect the imperial crest, Osteia is in the service of The Ralish, therefore can be called upon...

Thats correct right....?^^^^^^^^

Osteia lost it's greatness near the end of anicent times.

There are no agressive feelings toward The Ralish king or his empire...

I have posted in Osteia's thread (factbook)....just a little intro....

ahh. things begin to move. a couple more posts of set up and march, and the Ralish shall find an army on their borders [that information is S.I.C, incidently :P]

hehe. the Hawks shall be a Little more refined before being first used this time. slightly less prone to structural failures. of course, human error can still cause many problems. hehe. Pi has, after all, been working on them for much longer this time.

Ralish, do you think a border war fits in either of our threads, or shall we start a new one when the time comes?

i'm reasonably sure you're aware which bit of territory my guys object to you possesing :D

heres the thread for Kirisubo

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11688515#post11688515

ok cool,

Im gonna look at it...

"We are taking a Trade vessel to Ostia, we should arrive within a day."


small problem with this: it took more than a day to cross the english channel in this era. with cogs and the like. egypt to italy will take longer, especially if you're still useing gallys.

"We are taking a Trade vessel to Ostia, we should arrive within a day."


small problem with this: it took more than a day to cross the english channel in this era. with cogs and the like. egypt to italy will take longer, especially if you're still useing gallys.

Hey, I'm a dumbass...

Oki, this is how I worked it out, the distance from North Africa to Italy is about half of Englands height, in 1066 Harold marched soldiers down half of England in a day so a Boat which is likely faster will arrive around the same time, assuming that because it's a Trading vessel it'll take less time due to speedy add-ons, navigational expertise and a light cargo (4 people) but hey I'll edit, say two days/a week?

Angerman vessel is welcome in Osteian ports, you will be greeted warmly....

rough guess i'd say five days, but i'm hardly an authority.

even in the napolionic era, only the fastest [and useually smallest] warships could go significantly faster than a man on foot. most were slower if i remember rightly. especially if they'd been at sea a while, and got all stuff attached to their undersides. of course, they also tended to be able to take far more direct routs, with no up and downs to take into account... and unlike a man on foot, they can [and indeed, obviously, must] cross water :)

of course, that's on average. they'd be quite fast running with the wind, and would be lucky to make a mile in a day into a reasonable wind, so far as i can tell.

actually, the english channel Might be crossable in a day. on a good day. with the wind in your favour. i think it took weather bad enough to keep the ships in port to make it take mor than two though. not sure.

where'd this idea that i had trading ships going anywhere come from, by the way?

where'd this idea that i had trading ships going anywhere come from, by the way?

That post down below, it's rather misleading...

"We are taking a Trade vessel to Ostia, we should arrive within a day."


small problem with this: it took more than a day to cross the english channel in this era. with cogs and the like. egypt to italy will take longer, especially if you're still useing gallys.

humm... it's in an ooc thread. ... in quote marks..

and the next paragraph points out that there is an error in it.

not missleading if you actually read it as it is writen.

though i suppose it could be... confusing... if you missed any part of it.

edit: NS is out to get you, isn't it, Osteia? tripple posted your latest update in your thread [if you didn't see that already]

I seen it and added somthing special :), have a look.....

I seen it and added somthing special :), have a look.....

you missed a post

? what?

Ok, i seen it...thank you...be back later, got some things to do

I added a little speech to get the soldiers going... :)

ciao...

check it: army parked on the Ralish border. and some more information on the hawks, for those who wanted it.

'ouhnesut' (pronounced Oo-nee-sut) means, roughly "[ones who are] more south[ern]" or "suthron" near enough :)
'SelebrationQmedHeroix' (pronounced 'sel-e-brait-ion med-ero-icks') is "celebration of heros"

your Angerman lesson of the day :D

Hey, I'm a dumbass...

Oki, this is how I worked it out, the distance from North Africa to Italy is about half of Englands height, in 1066 Harold marched soldiers down half of England in a day so a Boat which is likely faster will arrive around the same time, assuming that because it's a Trading vessel it'll take less time due to speedy add-ons, navigational expertise and a light cargo (4 people) but hey I'll edit, say two days/a week?

I think you're using dodgey information. Very dodgey. In that... this isn't even close to true, at all.

The Norse landings in Northern England happened in mid September. Harold (the English one) arrived in late September, after some skirmishing between Norsemen and Englishmen. The English surprised the Norse by having arrived in only a few days (not a few hours, that's absurd) and defeated them in battle.

The Normans landed at the end of September, ish. Harold (the English one) didn't meet them until mid October.

There's no doubting that the Anglo-Saxons moved quickly, and fought impressively, but they didn't at any point march the length of England in a single day. They'd all have to be nonsense C20th American superheros for that.

all righty: a discription of the territory my guys are claiming: between the caspian and black seas [i think it's the black sea], if you trace a line up to my border, it curves Into angermanland, rather than out and around. they seek to rectify this. kind of their "main goal"

as for the possiblity of pushing further, it'd probibly be between the two seas down to the Aridris border there, at most, and mabey out west untill that peninsular sticking into the black sea is just inside the border.

oh... and what ever happend to the buffer between our territorys east of the caspian sea, Ralish? you're empire seems to have eaten it again [still?]

oooh. interesting. looks like i'm gonna run into some raiders. humm... aye, there's a thought...

who claimed that little green/brown nation in the east there, btw?

it might become significant.

caladonn is in britain, toops in egypt, the ralish are the big green blob, i know where the Aridiris are, and Ostia.

did you claime that Kiri, or was it someone who's vanished sinse and should thus be removed from the map?

warning: incoming spies. warning: incomings spies.

hehe. figured i'd tilt the odds in my favour a bit... a little propaganda here, a little subtle sabotage there, some disinformation in the right places, a few reports of the realitys of the area.

the exact efffects of those spies are, in reality, up to the Ralish. they're not daring 'hide behind a screen to here the secret meeting, then fight their way out of the city to report and foil the enemy's plans' types.

they're more 'notice here's more food comeing in than useual, and none of it's leaving'

'generaly talk to many people about how well ruled Angermanland is'

'get the foot troops drunk and find out what they know'

'observe the enemy army marching'

'set up a black market and divert military supplies onto it'

'"damage" the army's water barrels by "accident"'

and so on types. hehe. the little things that make life hard for an army.

perhaps the Ralish and i can discuss this in the old thread or something. i dunno.

Angermanland, I think the guy with the claymore wielding cavalry mercenaries claimed that brownie bit. I can't remember his name or what happened to him.


Anyways, I posted a brief story in my factbook moving my main character to the north eastern border of Aridiris. I figured it would be good to have him in the area when things started happening further north. It's only a change in command of the small contingent already placed there, not an inexplicable troop build-up for an attack we don't know is coming. This region is on the fringe so it's lightly defended, which, if you read the story, is why he's there. We won't be doing anything unless called to. There are two more such small cavalry groups in along my northern border. I'd say two hundred each for a total of six hundred?

actually, i Did read it. well done RP reads almost as well as a novel, you know :)

except for the exact numbers, everything you just told me was nicely included in your post there.

i'm not 100% sure how we're going to handle espionage in this format.

at any rate, a total of 600 men, compaired to.. what did i say? *adds up* a bit under 7000 combatants in my invading army... it's no biggy. to be honest, i'll probibly split things up somewhere along the way. i do have a rather large area to cover before i'm done.


wonder if we can track down a more detailed map of that area... zoom it in a bit and show rivers and hills and forts and the border and the like... mabey in one colour for what one side knows, another for what both know, a third for what the other side knows, a 4th for what neither know?

hummm. *ponders*

edit: anyway, i have no intention of going further south than the edge of that nice little light green bit unless i have to, and probilby not even that far :)

edit the second: removed

actually, i Did read it. well done RP reads almost as well as a novel, you know

Thanks:)

If you're going to send your spies as far south as me, let me know and I'll RP that. The 600 is how many I have actively in the north, there's some in the south, probably more (haven't made up those numbers yet), but still shouldn't put a dent in your 7000 :p My population is small and I wouldn't think the empire would be keen on having me maintaining a large standing army, so I kept the numbers small.

A map would be good. The Ralish and I would theorectically have knowledge of all the land in our nations, but that might not be necessarily true for a crumbing obese empire. You would probably have good knowledge of the terrain as well. It really can't be that difficult for spies to obtain good maps.

For now, I'm just going to hang back and wait for the Ralish to react. I think he said he would in a few days.

oh, you'd be surprised how hard getting good maps can be.

there was one major battle in the napolionic wars, which took place in the area the austrian army regularly trained in.

somehow, the austrian commander was given the wrong maps.

but yeah, i would have at least some knowledge of the marches... and probibly major trade routs too. not to mention there's a difference, really, between 'official maps' and local knowledge. and there's a whole hoste of other factors too.

i'm haveing a great deal of difficulty finding a detailed map with the black sea on it's Western edge, which is annoying. though i did find something interesting on the Crusader Kings maps [in game, sadly, so i can't very well give links]: there is a fairly significant mountain range somewhere in the southern half of taht... umm.. whatever it is between the black and caspian seas. i'm guessing it's your southern border, Aridiris.

Further inspection reveals that the entire contested area is part of a great plane that stretches from the urals basicly to the far side of the black sea, and from that mountain range/the black and caspian seas, right the way untill it runs into finland. heck, my whole Principality is built on those planes, save it's very northern most parts.

in other words: good horse land, and not the greatest for archers and the like.

so i'm figureing any borders there that arn't on rivers are decidedly... arbritrary.

hehe. the end result of any expansion that Didn't result in arbritrary borders, would either see Aridris switch sides, either becomeing an Angerman vassle or indipendant [expanding to the north untill it got to the rivers that cut most of the way accross] or fighting and being conqured, leaving me with large rivers and mountain ranges on all my borders save the northern most portion of the daylight marches. though only the vassle state or utter conquest meet my original goals. hehe.

that, of course, assumes an Angerman victory.

Ralish victory, or Aridris [as an independant who sided Against the principality, or as a vassle of the Ralish] result in... umm.. loss of territory. not cool.

oooh.. i smell diplomatic potentual here.

can people still get in? and is the map updated or is it laking some claims?

I'm not sure how my territory on the world map exactly correlates to the real geography of the region. But from what I can take from it, my nation straddles those mountains (the Caucasus) and actually doesn't go significantly further north than them. In fact, my north-western border follows nicely along the northern edge of the mountains. My southern border seems to stop around modern day Turkey and Armenia. So basically, my non-mountainous land is a little bit of plain in the north-east near the Caspian and another little bit on the south west tip of the Black Sea. My natural borders seem to be modern day Georgia and the northern border of the Caucasus and I'm hanging on to that north-eastern plain. Actually on closer inspection there is a river called the Terek the seems to be a good natural border in the north-east.

Check out this map:
http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~ci4/georgien/karten/caucasus.jpg


And Kamasha, I think we're still open, so check out the map and stake a claim. I think we concluded no gigantic empires in middle and east asia. Though personally, I don't care. Gigantic, though loose, empires were the historic norm there.

Actually, this map I just found is better. Less detailed geography wise, but borders are more pronounced.
http://www.unlv.edu/faculty/pwerth/caucasus-map.jpg
In the south I'd say follow pretty much along southern border of Georgia there and then along the Caucasus into Azerbaydzhan (at least that's what the spelling looks like to me) or the Samur river. My northern border is the edge of the Caucasus in the north-west and then jutting out onto the plain, kinda along the Russian border and along the Terek river there cutting through Chechnya. But it's kinda hard to tell. At any rate, my northern border does cross a few natural boundaries.

OK if your still open I want to claim Spain, Portugal and parts of northern Africa (west Sahara, marokko, Libya, Tunis, algeria and Egypt). I'm going to prepare my fact book now, so please tell me if I can't join or cant claim that aria.

OK if your still open I want to claim Spain, Portugal and parts of northern Africa (west Sahara, marokko, Libya, Tunis, algeria and Egypt). I'm going to prepare my fact book now, so please tell me if I can't join or cant claim that aria.

Sorry I own Egypt, just the Eastern half of the Nile Egypt, you can still claim the Western half...

I'll take the western parts then.

Okay. I posted two geographical maps in my factbook with possible borders. I'm not sure which one corresponds better to my borders on the map the Ralish made, but the first one is closer to a natural border with the north west border following along a river. The second map is my attempt to draw that jutting out bit the Ralish gave me. But I think the first one is closer to the Ralish's intention. Hmm...

Check it out:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11692572#post11692572

When I've decided on one I'll put in some cities and what not.

I finally got a factbook up, even if it is a really bad one so far: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11693602&posted=1#post11693602 I have yet to add military or population info, as well as in-depth descriptions of stuff, but it'll do for now. I am of course fully open for diplomatic stuff, and I'll begin some expansion.

OK if your still open I want to claim Spain, Portugal and parts of northern Africa (west Sahara, marokko, Libya, Tunis, algeria and Egypt). I'm going to prepare my fact book now, so please tell me if I can't join or cant claim that area.
Actually, I just established a base on either side of the Strait of Gibraltar. Still, it's nothing much, just a few fortifications, so you're free to have all the land around there.

THIS IS COPY AND PASTED FROM THE OOC: past tech? interest thread...

I have sent a messenger to your nearest outpost with a message asking to meet on the Osteian/Ralish border to discuss terms.....

We will not cross your border or show any direct acts of agression towards the Ralish empires people.

Lord Locke and the other nobles await your reply on the Osteian thread, there could be a peaceful resolve or you could take a chance and fight.....

But i must make you aware, my men do not simply fight because some one is telling them to...they fight for freedom and will fight twice as hard...sorry, THREE times as hard as any of your men.

IF my terms are accepted there is no reason why we cannot live in peace, Osteia has no quarrel with The Ralish Empire....

Ralish, would it be OK if you had some 8,000-12,000 Madnestians serving you already, stationed around your empire? Couple thousands of them, the best and the most experienced, in your capital/with your main field army.

i'd be curious about how you lan to Govern such a spread, Kamasha. i'm thinking you'll have problems with some of the more outlieing reagions unless you're both at least an average navel power And useing a government set up specificly designed for it.

i dunno. just slightly dubious about the size of your claimes in africa..

otherwise, no worrys :) i see no reason for you not to join.

though perhaps it would be better to take a chunk out of what's left of france, rather than africa?

I can't wait for The Ralish's reply... :( baaah need...too...move....onnnn....

Ive already organized everything i can...

Where is everyone today ......jeez...

Okay. I posted two geographical maps in my factbook with possible borders. I'm not sure which one corresponds better to my borders on the map the Ralish made, but the first one is closer to a natural border with the north west border following along a river. The second map is my attempt to draw that jutting out bit the Ralish gave me. But I think the first one is closer to the Ralish's intention. Hmm...

Check it out:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11692572#post11692572

When I've decided on one I'll put in some cities and what not.

huh.. i would have used that large mountain range as either your northern or southern border, [very defensible] rather than the middle of your territory [where it just posses problems for your own movement and, while it may provide raw materials, is that much less useable land for people, food, horses, etc.]

but... it's up to you. each method has it's advantages and disadvantages.

for the benifit of those reading, could everyone write the more 'narative' parts of their rp posts in the past tense where possible? i've noticed it specificly in Caladonn's posts right now, but i've seen it in others before. it becomes rather difficult to read and follow properly.

not a major thing, i guess, but it'd help a lot.

heh. yeah, i realy need the ralish to act before i can go any further.

if only so i can get a good idea of the kind of havoc my spys can and can't cause.

My apologies Angermanland. I meant that as a recent update, but if people would prefer past tense for everything I'm fine with that too. I generally do it anyway.

Also, what are we going to do about NPC nations? I'm asking the Norsemen of Iceland and Greenland to join Caladonn for better opportunities and such; IRL, in the 1200s Iceland and Greenland voluntarily joined Norway for the same opportunities, and in the RP Caladonn is better situated, geographically and commercially, to meet their needs. Could I just RP them accepting a union (with some misgivings of course), or should there be a defense RPer?

I really want to find out The Ralish's intentions towards my nation....

:), he has no idea i have an entire army waiting...

Therefore he will be caught off guard, if he decides to mobilize troops against me...

if you're going to have to Fight, best to get another player to do their stuff once you set out what they do or don't have.

if that's not going to happen... well.. heh. play it out, i guess. if you can write up both sides of any negotiations then it's all well and good. if you're like me and need someone to springboard off with such things, get another player to do the other side.

i'd really rather avoid "so and so was successful, nation X joined the alliance"

... sounds like a pop up box in a game giveing you an update, rather than a good story.

RPs like this are, after all, a collective narative.

hehe. actually, it'd be interesting once we get done [if we ever get done] to write this up in 'novel' form, depending how it goes. could probibly make a whole series out of it :D

anyway, yeah... even resent updates are "it Has happend" not "it is happening"... charicters, obviously, speak in past presant and future as nessisary... but not narative...

ugh. i suck at endings, even for posts like this :D

A fight we won would benifit my nation, Locke would be crowned and the other lords in the south would follow him.....

What is your opinion given the facts you have seen?, how likely do you think it is that The Ralish will grant Osteia freedom...

what would you do....?

I am positive this Rp will turn out rather good, we already got the ball rolling....

Everybody chill! Give the Ralish some time. He's got at least 2 wars to deal with here and a real life. He said he'd post something by the start of the week.

Also, if I may, I don't see the problem in Kamasha holding Spain and and northern Africa (except Gibraltor etc. of course). Plenty of empires have held that huge swath before. I'm thinking Rome, the Muslim empire and more or less the Ottomans, and Carthage.

As for my maps, I didn't draw the lines based on the most defensive positions, but on the territory I was given by the Ralish on the big map. I'm wondering which one fits that map the closest.

given the very nature of the Ralish empire, and the other things going on at the same time...

victory on your part strikes me as quite likely, and i suspect you'd have to activly take Very significant chunks of his territory for him to be able to repsond with more than what was on hand at the local level.

on the Other hand, there is a significant risk of him loading up his elite troops on ships and dumping them on your southern coast and then ripping appart your rear areas [not that he'd nessisaraly thought of that :P]

Everybody chill! Give the Ralish some time. He's got at least 2 wars to deal with here and a real life. He said he'd post something by the start of the week.

Also, if I may, I don't see the problem in Kamasha holding Spain and and northern Africa (except Gibraltor etc. of course). Plenty of empires have held that huge swath before. I'm thinking Rome, the Muslim empire and more or less the Ottomans, and Carthage.

As for my maps, I didn't draw the lines based on the most defensive positions, but on the territory I was given by the Ralish on the big map. I'm wondering which one fits that map the closest.


the one with the big curve in it's northern border, i'm guessing.

hehe. you've got two maps anyway, right? why not have the "this is what the Ralish gave us" map, and the "this is what we Should have" map? the first is what Is, the second gives you the ability to do things with defensive borders, expansionist tendancys, etc.

where did you get the maps you're working from, incidently?

edit: also, technicly, it's almost noon on monday here, so i think it could be counted as "the start of the week" even if you claime that to be started monday rathe than sunday.

i'm not really complaining though :)

Just a thought regarding non-player nations. Considering I don't have much going on for me. I'm just a little strip of land crammed in the middle of the corner of a vast empire. I could RP those other nations. I wouldn't go into it in depth with characters and such, but it beats everybody just gobbling up these areas with a token RP just giving them exactly what they want.

He don't know where my troops are, and how many of them i have...nor would he know that the lords of the land have joined togeather, therefore expecting light resistance....

When it comes to loading his ships up with elite troops and attacking the south, he has no idea it's not aswell defended as the east...

there are many lords in the south with well armed and quite large armys at their disposal, also the south does not want a fight...if by chance The Ralish defeated Locke and the others, the south still will not fight unless they see a change in how the nation is ran...aka a victory......

And there is an army marching up the coast to join their commrades in the north, you all know how heavily armored my troops are, they are not very fast...even when they are trying....

the one with the big curve in it's northern border, i'm guessing.

hehe. you've got two maps anyway, right? why not have the "this is what the Ralish gave us" map, and the "this is what we Should have" map? the first is what Is, the second gives you the ability to do things with defensive borders, expansionist tendancys, etc.

where did you get the maps you're working from, incidently?

edit: also, technicly, it's almost noon on monday here, so i think it could be counted as "the start of the week" even if you claime that to be started monday rathe than sunday.

i'm not really complaining though :)


Really? I'd imagine the first would be the closest to natural borders as it runs along a few rivers.

Anyways, I can't remember where I got those maps last night:p
I was just doing a GIS for Caucasus.

Yeah, its Monday here too, but I figured the Ralish might live in North America. Where are you? New Zealand?

Im from North America....

:)

Yeah, I'm in North America too. In point of fact, Angermanland actually is in New Zealand, I believe :D

Anyways, if Ralish responds not giving up the Danish islands, then I think I'll send a fleet and recognition to Ostia. My longboats could protect his southern coasts from raids, letting him focus on the North.

As for the NPC stuff, Airidiris you can certainly do it. My example was a bit out of the ordinary though, since my people are relatives of the ones I'm asking to come to union, and IRL they joined a nation much like mine at this time, but I don't want people to think I'm GMing.

That sounds like a plan, the reason the lords in the south will not agree to help Locke is they would rather receive somthing then nothing ending up dead, if Locke had somthing to offer, such as an alliance...they may even accept him as a king...

Really? I'd imagine the first would be the closest to natural borders as it runs along a few rivers.

Anyways, I can't remember where I got those maps last night:p
I was just doing a GIS for Caucasus.

Yeah, its Monday here too, but I figured the Ralish might live in North America. Where are you? New Zealand?


got it in one :)

humm... it strikes me as quite possible some of my random little spy dudes [totaly out of my control at that point, so you could control them yourslef if needed] might come into contact with some of your ... i dunno, officers, nobles, whatever...

plenty of opertunity for some sort of treason, with good odds of the reports getting back to at least my military commander. certainly better than 'normal' diplomatic channels :)

that would be... interesting....

so, yeah. feel free to do that. i know you have at least Some dissatisfied significant citizens.

anyway, now you know why the original Angermanland was mostly New Zealand [if you knew that bit of information, anyway].

ooh... google image search, huh? that might just work...

I'm planing to create a united states/ united kingdom style of gouverment. Where the emipre is devided into smaler regions. Well built roads will conet the empire. And they will be ruled by a religius sekt. There religion will bind them together. As for the region it was created in spain 1000 years before this rp starts and then spread to africa.

go for it then. set up a fact book/thread for your empire [why does everyone seem to always want to be an Empire, anyway?] and post the link. i'll add it to the first page... and when the Ralish eventually appears he'll add you to the map :)

hehe no I'm not going to be a empire. It was just that somone refered to my claims as "your empire" and I sticked to that. In fackt I'm going to call my empire: "The United Ecclesiocracy Kingdoms of Kamasha". Eccelesiocracy means ruled by god and serves my nation well.

just out of curiosity, is it your spelling, typing, or the english language as a whole which are causeing the occasional odd bit of spelling/grammer in your posts?

i'm not one to complaine about it... heck, you should see some of my posts when i really should have been sleeping, not to mention my spellin was never good... but still, i keep Noticing it. hehe, and so i ask.

might also be that i have a much easier time not complainging about things like that when i know Why they're like that.

i should really learn not to explaine my thinking unless asked. i end up digging myself into a hole.

edit: and, if you look back at this message, i've spelled some things wrong myself. ... i think i'll leave them there for humor value.

HOORAY!!!

It's Toopoxia and at last I can post as a decent puppet/master state, I know I said on the other thread i'd leave but there really isn't much to do (found that out after a night of blank staring into nothing) if it's oki with all I'd like to actually restart on my nation cos I don't feel comfortable RPing Toopoxia with Spooty, if so I'd like to claim one of the smallests islands of the Indonesian Archipelego, I'd also like permission to use Halflings...

Toops, it looks like we're going to be neighbours :)

do you fancy a trading alliance?

Toops, it looks like we're going to be neighbours :)

do you fancy a trading alliance?

Spooty, and yes, trading alliance, might be a bit interesting being as my peoples aren't navaly inclined, they're also very primative, major advantage is in mob rule, as with Toopoxia, thing is having such small people is that you don't have to spend so much on armour so I can have a lot of well defended soldiers with a very poor attack, but back on trade, I'd probably be able to trade in Jewelry and Dwarf Horses but very little else, maybe alcohol and cannabis depending on how I feel :P

Jewelry and Alcohol I could trade easily. Maybe even dwarf horses for mine workings but i'm not too sure about canabis :)

In return trade goods could be silk, sake, gold, silver, jade and fine steel weapons.

Kirisuban smiths make fine steel short and long swords, daggers and the like as well as hardened leather armour.

Once the threads set up I could send a kirisuban merchant ship since we would have to come to you but the first contact could have been made by one of the rare Spootian merchants who kinda blundered into Kirisubo after being swept of course.

Jewelry and Alcohol I could trade easily. Maybe even dwarf horses for mine workings but i'm not too sure about canabis :)

In return trade goods could be silk, sake, gold, silver, jade and fine steel weapons.

Kirisuban smiths make fine steel short and long swords, daggers and the like as well as hardened leather armour.

Once the threads set up I could send a kirisuban merchant ship since we would have to come to you but the first contact could have been made by one of the rare Spootian merchants who kinda blundered into Kirisubo after being swept of course.

Could a Bamboo Raft make it that far up the Pacific? Eh, I'll still do it, could be quite funky to watch :P

Spooty would probably be interested in the Sake and Silk possibly the precious metals aswell, maybe the Weaponary but they do tend be a wee bit paranoid when it comes to shiny things, the leather might be useful aswell, possibly on my Heavy Soldiers (HA! Heavy) I'll have my diplomacy thread up once I've been confirmed to drop Toopoxia and start Spooty...

A bamboo raft could travel the distance but would probally need repairs before the return leg.

Hardened leather armour made in Spootian sizes is possible and a razor sharp steel short sword would be a good weapon for a Spootian officer.

other possible trade goods could be rice paper, ink, ceramics and metal farming equipment.

it looks like we're in business :)

Hooray for trade!!!

*Spooty*

Good to have you back onboard toops/spooty...

Good to have you back onboard toops/spooty...

it's good to be back Osteia!

ok this is my third atemt to post my fact book. twise i posted it in the wrong thread :mad:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11698880#post11698880

Where is The Ralish........? jeeez...i wanna continue!!

HOORAY!!!

It's Toopoxia and at last I can post as a decent puppet/master state, I know I said on the other thread i'd leave but there really isn't much to do (found that out after a night of blank staring into nothing) if it's oki with all I'd like to actually restart on my nation cos I don't feel comfortable RPing Toopoxia with Spooty, if so I'd like to claim one of the smallests islands of the Indonesian Archipelego, I'd also like permission to use Halflings...



this is looking familiar... i seem to remember someone who changed their name/location/nation multipul times then abruptly vanished in our Last pt rp....

not going to be a repeat of that, is it?

i'm also dubious about having genuian non humans... at this point i don't think we have any? and personaly, i'd be glad to keep it that way.

though if we already have some i've missed [and don't sight my guys' gods.. they're a whole other story :P] i can't really argue about it.

This thread is slowing down.....

Damn it!

Where is The Ralish, i have no idea how many times i have said this...

:(

this is looking familiar... i seem to remember someone who changed their name/location/nation multipul times then abruptly vanished in our Last pt rp....

not going to be a repeat of that, is it?

i'm also dubious about having genuian non humans... at this point i don't think we have any? and personaly, i'd be glad to keep it that way.

though if we already have some i've missed [and don't sight my guys' gods.. they're a whole other story :P] i can't really argue about it.

1. Dissapeared?! I stayed until the RP died, I RPed Toops right from the start but had a Spoot Halfling colony in Kiev!

2. Non Humans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_florensis They are Humans.

too many by now, probibly, Osteia :P but i agree.


oh, and Kamasha? the spell check seems to have fixed the Spelling in your thread, for the most part....

however grammer is another story. plurals and tense and ownership and such like are ... highly variable. as well as many instances of just plain ending up with the wrong word.

ahh... in that case, Spooty, perhaps you hopped around so much i lost track, or i was sufficiantly distracted by bigger things. *shrugs* it just seemed that way to me. i dunno.

as for that little bit of information... that, i did not know. hehe. the term 'halflings' always makes me think 'hobbits' is all, when i should realy be thinking 'pigmys'


all good then.

still, the nation hopping gets confusing, and throws off the plot and peoples RP... at Least one other nation mentions your current nation in thier fact book, for example.

so i'm not sure how good an idea this is or isn't.. but i'll leave that up to others to decide.

ahh... in that case, Spooty, perhaps you hopped around so much i lost track, or i was sufficiantly distracted by bigger things. *shrugs* it just seemed that way to me. i dunno.

as for that little bit of information... that, i did not know. hehe. the term 'halflings' always makes me think 'hobbits' is all, when i should realy be thinking 'pigmys'


all good then.

still, the nation hopping gets confusing, and throws off the plot and peoples RP... at Least one other nation mentions your current nation in thier fact book, for example.

so i'm not sure how good an idea this is or isn't.. but i'll leave that up to others to decide.

They're not Pigmy's they're shorter, different breed of human entirely, like 3 foot people, almost the size of Monkeys according to some RL sources, and there isn't any mention of the Halflings in the Toopoxican factbook, there is on Goblins, plus it sin't as if I'd RP'd much with Toopoxia, like 3 IC posts tops, plus I can't RP with Toopoxia anymore so it's a choice of having me switching nations or not having me at all... hated for it to come to this conclusion, it's a regular Mexican Halfling Standoff!

*blinks* and i missed the goblin referance as well... should have seen it. mabey i did and just forgot?

heh. personaly, i uterly fail to see why we can't just change the name of the current one.. but heck, when am i ever going to run into you anyway? *laughs* my bet is that the Ralish will just obsorb your old nation :P that'd tidy things up well enough..

do a brief bit where it gets eaten by the empire or something... just to close it off nicely rather than just vanish...

that'd work... then you could move, no worrys.

or mabey the spanish K [i forget the spelling. woo! go me!] nation... that's more likely, actually...

meh, whatever... i just dislike discontinuity. it's messy.

*blinks* and i missed the goblin referance as well... should have seen it. mabey i did and just forgot?

heh. personaly, i uterly fail to see why we can't just change the name of the current one.. but heck, when am i ever going to run into you anyway? *laughs* my bet is that the Ralish will just obsorb your old nation :P that'd tidy things up well enough..

do a brief bit where it gets eaten by the empire or something... just to close it off nicely rather than just vanish...

that'd work... then you could move, no worrys.

or mabey the spanish K [i forget the spelling. woo! go me!] nation... that's more likely, actually...

meh, whatever... i just dislike discontinuity. it's messy.

I'll RP the death of Auteius, that'll wrap things up nicely, I must have mentioned Goblins several times in this thread, but not actually in the factbook, Toopoxia does mean Goblin Blooded by my bastardised made up Slavic language :P, oh got to be off Adult Swim is on...

Lalallaa...

IM out of things to rp... :( i need to make contact with someone at some point..maybe a trade vessel?

not many of us have decent navys, and the empire kind of sits on the junction between.... everything...

heh. if i don't hear from the Ralish by the end of the week, i think i'll make arangements with our dear blood obseased horse people... eat away at the empire in a more... subtle... manner.

realisticly, i'm sure the dude has a life... probily something real and somewhat significant preventing him putting in an appearance.

unless, ostia, you'd be willing to become part of my... over all plan?

Umm, enlighten me....

:)

hehe. Zenkath's contacts get around, as most of them arn't Spys, as such.

i'm sure one or two of them could well have got as far as you... perhaps they are merchants, or something else entirely...

i don't know. he doesn't tell me. hehe.

at any rate, it'd be an opertunity for some RP, and depending how it went, may well shift any wars in... both our favours.

if nothing else, it'd give us something to do :)

edit: actually, i can Garantee that they did at least once. your nationis specificly mentioned [though not by name] in Zenkath's report/analysis. probiblys till one or two there.

Ok cool, send him towards the Ralish/Osteian border if you want....he could stumble upon what lies across it.... :)

Hey, I'm catching up on the two big threads and trying to go through the individual nation threads to see what I've got to respond to. Unfortunately I've now got a heck of a head cold and am having trouble staying in front of the screen for long periods, but hopefully I'll at least have something done by the morning (got to stay up tonight, anyway).

As to the map I created, well, it's not perfect, eh? Consider it the Empire's official position on where everybody is! And, anyway, back in these times, maps were a quite different proposition. Weren't people just confused, and then strategically terrified by the first accurate maps? The Empire, being more ancient-set than others, doesn't yet have many people who understand the birds-eye-view or the scale or topographical mapping or anything like that: when we hear that people have maps of our cities, we panic and run around shouting witchcraft, assuming that it means they can see behind our lines and over our walls and what not!

Could someone just update me on the new nations that have arrived, and any other changes to claims over the weekend? Cheers.

And calm down, people! I'm sure a couple said they'd not be back until Monday, which is why I didn't rush to come on-line myself. But, hey, several posts about me being still absent within the space of three hours wasn't likely to yield any great change, was it? Three days, maybe, but not so much hours, heh. As it happens, I'm on GMT, but am frequently nocturnal :)

actually, if he [or she. never know] is there at all, he'll be there already. it's up to you to find him, her, or them :)

because, frankly, the only way into your nation I know of [officialy, and in reality] is currently rather hevily guarded... you can't tell me a spy [no mattter what other role they might fill] is going to be overly fond of passing through that.

*laughs* ahh, Ralish, you'd not get more than one a day out of me, normaly...

blame Osteia :P

as for maps... it bugs me that i can't do them... i have a freaken guild of cartographers, for goodness sake. it's their freaken Job.

as one of my guys said earlier "amazeing what you can do with a good map, isn't it?"

i tell you what.. trying to work out my stuff is an absolute Nightmare.. i'm far enough north that every different projection method renders my teritory a totaly different shape. not to mention not many maps seem to care overly much about the terain details in that area.

hehe. nocturnal GMT...

i'm on the other side of the world! yay!

and i'm often pretty nocturnal as well. heh.

actually, some of the nation threads are pretty "big" after a fasion as well.

headcolds suck though, yes... as i said "significant real life reason" or something to that effect.

True, but it would be hard to infiltrate my lines without the proper equipment....

Mostly all of my soldiers wear Templar helmets besides knights(Theirs are the Templar style just very fine crafted), Heavy cavelry and archers....

It wouldn't be hard to infiltrate using the uniform/armor of scouts that have been sent ahead..they wear templar helmets covering their faces..im sure you know what one looks like...

Or the spy could some how approach from the rear already postioned in my nation....

travelers always come and go, plus civilians have also joined my ranks...normal people, no armor and any weapon they could find..

heh. true.. and whoever was carrying the messages would have to get through one way or another...

however, the house of shadows is a bit more ... subtle.

oh, they do things other than spying... but it's something they excell at.

my point was that the relivant people would have been inside you borders before this all started.

heck, this idea works in my favour. it's entirely possible they were partially responsible for how easily you pulled it off... or not. you never know, and that's how they like it.

Oh, i wouldn't know where to look for the spys lol....

Any little ity, bitty hints you can give me....?

Do you want them captured briefly or.....once you reply to this i will rp the meeting/finding....

heh. my standard information gathering techniques consist of getting to know the locals and just having them keep an eye on what's going on.. makeing things a little easier for them in return.

spread the word around that you want to get hold of a representative of the prinsipality, but are having trouble due to the current state of affairs... odds are good you'll find Someone.

after all.. what use are informants without someone to gather their information...

could as easily be the old man sitting on his porch, a mid ranking courtier, a carpenters aprentice, or at a stretch, a child...

very much "seek, and you shall find" .. though be prepaired to be lead a merry dance before one of the house of shadows is willing to be seen for what he [or she] is in the daylight.

Ok, got yah...

I'll have Lord Locke send some men in search of recruits, a knight by the name of Lord Christian will be leading the recruitment..

Basicly they will ride to all the surrounding villages and towns, also there will be a bonus to this...

200 able bodyied men will be armed and dressed for regular service, also anyone with knowlage of The Ralish's lands will be called upon for information...their services will be payed for of course, out of Locke's own pocket..

Christian will spend a fair amount of time in each town, they will also have to stop by at local pubs and what not....

Sound good, or..im missing somthing...

That plan ^^^^^

Gives me a reason to send one of my important people away from the front line, making someone of importantance free to mingle with people....

sorry, was busy getting clean.

*ponders* 'tis not quite what i had in mind.. but it will serve. go for it.

Well, i will still dispatch Christian....

If there is a certian way you thought it would work better i will follow through, still carrying out my orders to recruit or course...

It's somthing that needs to be done anyways....

But what are your ideas...don't give how i will meet the charactor away but, it's impossible for me to know what you are thinking..i want this to be interesting and good :)

oh, i can make it work anyway. it just would have worked Better/more easily in a major city.

just requires a little more thought on my part, and a little more traveling on the part of your charicters.

infact, i can turn your idea into mine reasonably quickly :)

get th ball rolling. you'll end up where i want you reguardless, if you intend to persue this to it's end.

I will persue it,

Apollo, my capital is 60km away from the border....it's the largest city i have... Christian will be stopping by there for certian...

forced march, non stop, with a light load.. that'd take them about ten hours, mabey less.

normal march, going to places along the way, carrying all their gear... probibly several days. great fun.

Christian will have mostly heavy cavelry escorts and cavelry....they are all on horseback, no foot soldiers will be going with them because they are trying to get this done quickly..

All people they recruit will be sent to a weeks training, the majority of Osteian men can already ride...making that easyier...

It will be a week of basic weapon usage, most Osteian fathers teach their sons about weapons and how to fight from a young age.....

I will give the order for Christian to leave...

hevey cavalry, on the march, may well be slower than infantry.

certainly, unless forced, horses on the march move at human walking speed, near enough. the fast couriers took a second horse witht hem so they could change over and give them a rest, thus keeping up speed, and the fastest used good roads and changed horses regularly at way stations. not to mention wore no armor at all.

so.. yeah... the whole "they're on horseback" bit doesn't really speed them up a lot on anything greater than tactical level.

Hey Ralish, to save you some time (I know there are tons of people attacking you and all) I posted my contact in your thread. You don't technically have to look at mine, though if we do get into a war it might help :P

If Ralish does want to go to war over the Danish Islands, then I'll send a fleet and make an alliance with Ostia... and probably contact Angermanland via the Baltic as well.

Yeah, your right.....i over looked that..damn lol, oh well..

They will be on the way as soon as im done this post.....

Hey Ralish, to save you some time (I know there are tons of people attacking you and all) I posted my contact in your thread. You don't technically have to look at mine, though if we do get into a war it might help :P

If Ralish does want to go to war over the Danish Islands, then I'll send a fleet and make an alliance with Ostia... and probably contact Angermanland via the Baltic as well.

hehe. if he's smart, he'll give them to you on the condition that you help him with his wars :)

Hmm... I don't think I'll help him out. Unless he'll cede them to me, I'll just take them.

I posted but i gotta post again, more...i just wanted to get the show on the road....

*snerk* sutherland... is in the northern part of Osteia? *laughs*

don't ask me why. that just entertains me. carry on :)

Yeah, it's been named that sence ancient times...

After a family....

aww, and here i thought the story would be funny, or just humourously unexplained... snap. hehe.

Awh, sorry.. :( lol

oh, your people are creepy..lol

Not in a BAD way but they are sneaky, :)

some of them, yes. hehe. they're also very good at being cryptic.

be prepaired to come accross interesting riddles and oddness along the way :D

anyway, what do you expect? they're spies, if not in the perfectly normal sense.

soemthing to keep in mind: the house of shadows is loyal to Angermanland, not the prinse...

and they don't have a leader, as such... when one of them wants information, they put a request into the network, and those who have it/can find it send it back.

they don't report to anyone, as such.. they're just one of the many overlaping factions and entitys in Angermanland :)

and as i said, not all of them are Spies... heck, Zachius is a memeber, and he's currently a freaken General.

Cool! this is getting intresting :)

You never cease to amase me Angerman, :)

Cool! this is getting intresting :)

You never cease to amase me Angerman, :)

thank you. i do try :)

you know, i'm going to be mean. that's the last you'll hear of those guys...

when you get to the next place, you'll meet more interesting folk, like as not.

you'll get opertunitys to move further along the network, but you won't find a thing about it unless you do :D

there was one right there, incidently...

oh well, too late :)

better luck with the next one :D

Interesting encounter....

Posted :)

i'd actually seen that one before i last posted.. thus the comment about "missed opertunitys"

send your guys on the way... a town or two on they'll probibly run into more interesting charicters....


incidently,these guys are Spys, for what is in effect a secret society...

they're not going to reveal who they are unless your activly looking for them, they know it, And they find a sutable way to do so... and they want to be found [the last is... a given of a sort.]

at this point, all they know is that you're activly recruiting, which they find a little odd, seeing as how you're getting so many volenteers and have a significant army to begin with.

edit: oh yeah... just because one of my guys saw you in the mist because he happend to be out and about and thought it best to observe rather than be observed, doesn't mean i'm activly tracking or following you.

the house of shadows is more subtle than that, and, as yet, they have no specific requests or leads from any memembers that would lead them to aproch your people.

hehe. lets see what happens in the town of Vasilla.

So... Halflings... Cool?

.... let's call it "tolerable" shall we, spooty? *laughs* finish off the toop nation, then go for it.

heh... looks like events might be about to require you to be a bit more.. skillied... in your hunt, Osteia :D you don't seem to have a lot of time.

Ralish... helpful as that information is, it's... not what i needed before i can move.

the way i figure it, Angermanland cant' provide as many Different luxurys as the empire.. but it can provide more imidiate and solid defences, can still provide Some luxurys, and probibly cheaper, actually gives it's people some reprisentation in the government...

not to mention my own traiders [and quite possibly the house of shadows] will have been active in the area.. pretty much forever.

heh.... interestingly, those defences accross the gap between the rivers? ... pretty much where i project the probbible new border, except i intend to go right to the coast at the eastern end. which means i can mostly bypass the majority of them.

the only question, really, is how far south between the two seas i go. certainly i won't go past those mountains or that gap unless i have to.. probibly not event that far south.

... humm... should probibly mark and name significant geographical thingys on the map at some point... that gap, for example.

anyway, i need to know what sort of trouble and information my ... spies ... could have got away with in the area.

also, once i start actually Moving, i'll probibly start a new thread for the war.

ideally with a map of the area in one of the first few posts, but we can work without it, it'd just be easier.

Angermanland, any information you need from me let me know. You have my northern troops numbers I believe. Let's just say you're spies were successful at getting that. Not being on the border and administered by corrupt officials, the secrets of my nation are easy to come by at this point.

The Ralish, same goes for you. Anything you need to know just ask. I have about 1,500 active cavalry troops. 600 in the north, 900 in the south. Also I have 260,000 eligible for conscription. That includes women as Aridiris is a fairly egalitarian society. If you don't want women than half that. Actually... I'd say less than half because chances are there are fewer women eligible for conscription than a 50/50 male/female split. I.e. pregnant and nursing women would be disqualified. Everyone is trained in cavalry warfare from an early age, but, of course, there aren't 260,000 horses in the country.

As I said, my officials are corrupt, but they'll support the empire that keeps them in power provided a better opportunity doesn't arise. They are in good positions now and wouldn't want to take risks. The people actually hate their leaders more than they hate the empire. But this is because their leaders are traitors to the empire, so it's a double-edged sword.

heh. yeah, i know about Your stuff... i just need to know what's happening in the Ralish empire... even if it's strictly SIC, i still need it in order to write the narative.

plus, i really don't have enough geographical information about most of the contested territory.

heh. yeah, i know about Your stuff... i just need to know what's happening in the Ralish empire... even if it's strictly SIC, i still need it in order to write the narative.

plus, i really don't have enough geographical information about most of the contested territory.

Just making sure I'm not leaving anyone hangin'.

well, unless you want to follow the same rout as Osteia and have dealings with the house of shadows.... i'm not waiting on you at all, except possibly as part of whatever the Ralish sees fit to do.

no one want to come visit my Princes?

i'm not really in a position to do so, the Ralish is being kinda swamped at the moment...

i dunno about the others though.

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH! I've been looking for PT RP. I'd be glad to join up. Could I perhaps take Iberia, Islas Majorcas, Sardinia, and Sicily? I recognize some names from the PT RP this summer and Toopoxia knows me well enough.

I already took Gibraltar (:P) and I think someone claimed Iberia a while back, but they haven't posted for a long time...

Damn you aramil! On another note, if they haven't posted, then too fucking bad for them.

Heh, yep. I did that just on the off chance you'd take Spain... no, jk.

I'm inclined to think the other Spanish player's probably gone... what's the consensus here?

Well, the terrain I've more or less left as it is in reality. Will just have to do a quick search or two on line to get the general idea, I suppose. Continental climate, reasonable agricultural land, low-lying, two major rivers near by.

I don't know exactly where you're looking, though, to be honest, Angermanland. If you try to attack towards Crimea, you'll face more keen opposition than just to the east, north of Aridiris, which was where I guessed you meant, based on the curve in the border and all that.

Anyway, yeah, of course your traders have been there, but I'm afraid that I'm not sure what the significance of that is supposed to be!

What else do you want to know/what've you tried to do that I've missed? The people are reasonably happy because they generally have just enough, but they're not the most fanatical subjects of the King. Their defences are in a poor condition, but that's only because they've had no need of them, and don't think much about war and security: if they started to suffer barbarian attacks or something, and the Empire was unable or unwilling to protect them, then security would become an issue, but otherwise it's not on the mind of the common man in the region. It's a bit like... the UK has no long-range/high-altitude surface-to-air-missiles, no fleet-aircraft carriers, no strategic-bombers, and less battle-tanks than nations a third its size, but that's not something that worries the average Englishman until Russia unexpectedly starts sending bombers over the North Sea and landing tanks in Skegness!

I think that I missed the other Iberian player.

Are there other changes needed on the map, by the by?

actually, the player who took spain Did post. and their threads's in my first post.

not only that, But, if you read it, they made a rather generalised set up where by their princess is to be wed... no one's responded yet though.

'twas kamasha, i think, who if you look back, posted on this very page :P
took all of iberia and most of north africa.

as for my traders, Ralish... lets put it this way: several of them are members of the house of shadows, and thus would set up spy networks and the like on the way through.

i just need to know what's actually going on in the area we'll fight over. in charicter, i might not know, but for the purposes of the narative... i need a lot mroe general information about the geography of the area, what i'm likely to run into, where forts are, etc etc...

a lot of it would be pretty easy to show on a map, if we had one.

frankly, i'm not good at activly Initiating stuff like this [why i tend to start off defensive, useually, or part of an alliance], and i'm just looking for something i can key off from... or at least some idea of which officers are commanding what in the general area [charicter development in my area, so you're not randomly creating Everything as it becomes nessisary, you know?]

oh yeah: and more importantly, i REALY need to know what effect my spys have been having with their minor acts of sabotage, what information they're reporting, and the general effect of their propaganda.

hehe. you lucked out Osteia... no more searching for you :D

not only that, but those two random agents i said you wouldn't see again... seem to have appeared in your commander's tent... along with their [local] boss.

and my army moves. and some of their plans are revield to the reader [though not anyone else in the story]

hehe. the advantage to carrying all the materials for those camp forts, one day castles, seige weapons, etc, is that it doesnt' take a lot to repurpose them to be used as bridges for the army.

I posted a short interaction between my main character and one of your spies Angermanland. Just because I had nothing better to do.

Maybe we should update the map to include Kamasha's land and Caladonn's acquisitions?

Oh I did! How does this look? Did I miss anything? I'll delete it here if it gets moved to the first page.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/jpfreely/ralishmapnew.jpg

the map looks about right.

i did like the bit with the spy there.

a good part of what i need from the Ralish is stuff sort of like that.

still, i doubt anyone from Zenkath's area went south further than Reling appears to have. hehe. expect to see him come back if and when it becomes relivant.

of interest: that brief exchange must have happend Before Zenkath's report to Zachius... the piece with the caladonnian ambasidor and Hera's offer must have come about almost simultaniously, and several days before Zenkath's report. possibly even before he first appears in the story, given the time delays inherant in the transportation of messages in this era.

at any rate, of the spy threads, all of them, up to this point, happend 'before' that report was made.

further examination leads me to entertain the possiblity that the new Angermanlandij border may well be the northern Aridiris border, or even it's Southern border, depending how things go.

actually, reguarding the map, something that was ment to be fixed in the original but never was for some odd reason:

my border should not meet the ralish border east of the caspian sea. mine actually cuts straight accross from the northern coast of the sea to the Urals, and i belive the Ralish has a little bit sticking up inbetween the bit of mine that shouldn't be there, and the coast of the caspian sea.. that bit probilby shouldn't be their either.... a kind of buffer in that direction, if you will.

How's that?

umm... well, it's about right.. . working with maps that use different projections is kind of a pain though. the south east corner of my border looks wrong now... But, it's in about the right place.

a different projection and closer zoom would make it easyer to get right, really. but we work with what we've got :)

humm. i'm trying to figure when i should start the war thread as a seperate entity.

when i cross the river, or when i first run into opposition, or what, do you think?

I like the map. I think it quite good. I think it might be some naval wars between me and Ralish in the mediteranian sea :)

:p Well I'm no cartographer! I'm working with MS paint here! But really, the specifics or your distant borders aren't important are they?

Hmm... I guess technically a war has started when you cross into the Ralish's terriotory with an army, does it not? Until the Ralish musters up an army your forces basically run willy nilly throughout the countryside. Any of the Ralish's forces along the border would theoretically see you coming somewhat in advance allowing for some skirmishes. How much is dependent on a lot of factors, of course.

Added: as for the your borders Kamasha. I didn't know who got the Nile delta there, so I left it blank. Let's say it's a buffer for now.

there in lies a brilliant idea, Kamasha. though navel battles are apparantly somewhat more awkward to work out than land battles, or so i'm told. i never had much of a problem, but i only ever did one... horrificly distructive, it was.

reguarding your princess...

currently, the Ralish are the only nation in a position to really respond.. well, them and Caladonn. at least for the moment. Osteia has bigger issues, and the rest of us are just... kind of miles away right now, with a hostile entity in between us and you. not practical to act on it even if we know about it.

:p Well I'm no cartographer! I'm working with MS paint here! But really, the specifics or your distant borders aren't important are they?

Hmm... I guess technically a war has started when you cross into the Ralish's terriotory with an army, does it not? Until the Ralish musters up an army your forces basically run willy nilly throughout the countryside. Any of the Ralish's forces along the border would theoretically see you coming somewhat in advance allowing for some skirmishes. How much is dependent on a lot of factors, of course.

Added: as for the your borders Kamasha. I didn't know who got the Nile delta there, so I left it blank. Let's say it's a buffer for now.

you're right about the borders, it just doesn't Look right :P

you're doing a very good job though. the only thing that would make it better [at this scale] is some lables.

from what the Ralish has said though, there are essentually No defenses where i've attacked... 'cept mabey the occasional local malitia or something. i can come all the way down to your border without hitting a thing. be afraid.

i think i'll start the war thread as soon as i know what the first thing i'll run into is... town, village, temple, fort, etc etc, you know?

and then things get interesting.

oh... did some rough figureing and guess work on my Destre... if they charged a line of pikemen, useing full pikes, they could actually stop a foot short of the pike heads if the pikemen got orginized enough to show them a wall of points.

they're just so weighted down with armor and the like, that they don't Reach the kind of speeds they can't stop from quickly enough untill they're closer to the target than the length of a pike. infact, unless they're actually Charging, you'll pretty much never see a fully equiped Destre moveing faster than a slow walk. and when they're not fighting, they strip most of the armor off the men and allthe armor off the horse and load them up in a wagon instead. hehe.

all of which probilbly adds up to make them the slowest cavalry on the planet, at this point. but here's the rub: they may not get up much speed untill right near the end of their charge [more to spare the horses by keeping the length of time they need to move quickly short, than because they Need that big a run up] but once they get going, all that weight means they pretty much arn't stoping.

anywho... tommorow, or when the information i need is available [whichever] Zachius crosses the river! [what's that one called, btw? i forget.]

you're right about the borders, it just doesn't Look right :P

you're doing a very good job though. the only thing that would make it better [at this scale] is some lables.

from what the Ralish has said though, there are essentually No defenses where i've attacked... 'cept mabey the occasional local malitia or something. i can come all the way down to your border without hitting a thing. be afraid.

Labels! I'll get on that... tomorrow?

You can come all the way down to my border without hitting a thing? Shit! Damn Alshor leaving us to the dogs!

Labels! I'll get on that... tomorrow?

You can come all the way down to my border without hitting a thing? Shit! Damn Alshor leaving us to the dogs!

well, i don't think he expected me to send a 7000 man army accross such a large river.

he actually described some things about the area in my thread.

the defenses for that area ['cept crimea, which is well defended, realitivly] consist of obsolete forts along the gap between the two major rivers that make up the border, a couple of hundered trained soldiers from the home provinces, and....

You.

you know, my supply issues are going to be minimul too, at least in summer and winter.

*blinks*

ok, now i'm kicking myself.. why build a bridge when i could have just attacked in winter when the rivers froze up? sure, they don't freeze as far as the caspian sea, i think but they still freeze up.

ahh well. no big.

as i was saying: supply issues: rivers rock.

Sorry about the delay in my Factbook/RP'ing... RL has kept me quite busy lately. I'll try to get the thread up and start posting, after catching up with the plotline, later today.

Dudes...you've gone and put up a whole bl**dy world since I last looked...I hate you guys.:D
I claim (if it's available right now) all unclaimed portions of France/Flanders.
I assume that puts me bordering the Ralish, and across the Channel from Caladonn?
Can't read back-story right now, but will catch up and put up my own thread in the next few days.
If I can't go there, then I'll take the Balearics, Sardinia, Sicily and the area around Carthage.

Ok, Factbook (very rough and ready) is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11712478#post11712478).
No guarantee on posting before Sunday, but for now, I warn the big green empire (Ralish?) that unless he protests, I'll have an army hitting his borders soonish.

MADNESTIAN FACTBOOK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11714084#post11714084)

Cool new arrivals,

Sorry my last few posts in my factbook were slack due to being rushed, i have been really busy with work but i will be catching up...

And... where the hell is The Ralish, he didn't send a messenger to the border to discuss terms..

Damnit. Why must people take my most common claims?!?! Well, I guess I'll take the southern portion of Scandinavia and that Polish-Lithuanian area that borders Ralish. If this is confirmed, I'll put up a factbook.

Madnestan how many men in total are comming to meet mine? Also i take it that they are unable to grant my nation what it asks....

I ask that you give me a little bit of time, i will be back tonight...

Okay, yea, I'm now organising an official anti-Ralish coalition...

My guys are pretty pissed that one of their government officials was forced to commit suicide because Ralish disagreed with a request. So I hope that Osteia, Kamasha, Angermanland, Terror, and anyone else who wants to will join me in a grand war :P

Some 3-4,000 Madnestians. Ralish hasn't spoken about the actual numbers of the army he's concentrating at your border. If I got it right, majority of it is however going to be conscripted peasants and alike, so Alshorian Guard units and these Madnestian Wolfmen are propably going to be more important than their actual numbers would suggest. Both are quite very elite troops.

Okay, yea, I'm now organising an official anti-Ralish coalition...

My guys are pretty pissed that one of their government officials was forced to commit suicide because Ralish disagreed with a request. So I hope that Osteia, Kamasha, Angermanland, Terror, and anyone else who wants to will join me in a grand war :P

How do your people actually even know about what happened in the palace? ;)

Caladonn, you're writing in the present tense again/still :p

meanwhile... YAY PEOPLE! :D i'll put the links to your factbooks in the first post as soon as i'm done reading all this new stuff.

Philanchez, i think that puts you bordering me, doesn't it? humm.. knew there was a reason i didn't attack that place, and it secures that flank.. sort of. good.

Osteia, no messenger, but i think he sent a fairly significant Message. also, i'm wondering how your guys Ever heard of the house of shadows ICly... 'Secret' societys don't tend to make their existance widely know. :p ah well. there are always rumors, i guess.

i think i had something else to say, but it escapes me.

How do your people actually even know about what happened in the palace? ;)

i'd say the fact that the Ralish sent the ambasidor home in a bag [or three] witha message would be how, most likely.

I have about 3,000 men sence those two new lords arrived also 250 militia armed with just about anything. My lords to the south will still not join therefore i have a weaker army but more than expected, that is where i need assistance from my neibours who share SIMILAR interests.

If there is any attempt to cross my border i have made the nessasary preperations....

i expect things will be heating up soon...

Caladonn, you're writing in the present tense again/still :p

meanwhile... YAY PEOPLE! :D i'll put the links to your factbooks in the first post as soon as i'm done reading all this new stuff.

Philanchez, i think that puts you bordering me, doesn't it? humm.. knew there was a reason i didn't attack that place, and it secures that flank.. sort of. good.

Osteia, no messenger, but i think he sent a fairly significant Message. also, i'm wondering how your guys Ever heard of the house of shadows ICly... 'Secret' societys don't tend to make their existance widely know. :p ah well. there are always rumors, i guess.

i think i had something else to say, but it escapes me.

Rumor it is.....thats all,

sorry but your war mongering have to stop now. At least for some time. Or you could leave the planing to your officers. Anyway read my fact book for a better understandment.

There Angerman, i have posted specificly having Locke say it was rumor..

Sorry...

There Angerman, i have posted specificly having Locke say it was rumor..

Sorry...

heh. no big, i just ran with it ICly.

charicters Saying odd things like that ic can be dealt with. it's when they Act on it that it starts getting problimatic. of note, however, there are Two men acompenying Hera. both of whom have appeared in your thread before.. well, ok, one of them only showed eyes :p

oh yeah, i edited my post about methods of chatting to contain my post in your thread, osteia. i am thinking that wasn't the smartest move, as it won't update properly or something.. but yeah, that's where it is.

oh dear. it would appear that 'england' and 'spain' are in for a rough patch diplomaticaly... hehehehehe.

Ok, have you posted replying to Lord Locke? i will edit the post soon to include the other charactors.. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500606

news thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500606

news thread.

what now?
edit: oh. i see. misnomer. hehe. i'll link it on the front page.


oh, Osteia, that's what i ment. i edited the responce to Locke into my comment about chatting.

I posted something of concern to you in that thread. You might want to check it.

Ugh.. people, Please write narative in the past tense. for one thing, it's much easier to read., for another, it keeps some consistancy.

also, if you're sending ambasidors to another player, rather than just saying "so and so sends an ambasidor to such and such a land" in your own thread, actually send the ambasidor and RP it.

so much hinges on diplomacy at this point that skipping over it is problimatic.

I posted something of concern to you in that thread. You might want to check it.

i did. it says you sent an ambasidor. says nothing about how, and thus where, he'll arive, when, who...

nor is there any mention of him actually turning up, so who knows what'll happen in between times, no?

*gasp*

Incase you don't know, no offense, I write most of my posts in neewsthreads from the point o a severely censored press or mildly informed citizen. Sorry if that peeves you. On another note, I know nothing of your cities or anything within your country(a capital would be nice :)). I'll go through your factbook again and repost something else.

heh. my factbook keeps growing, and my capital, as well as the Ralish's, is marked on the map [though not labled.] it's also in the first paragraph or two of my fact book. [which is really only the first post of my thread.]

at any rate, my point was, the RP as a whole is being writen [mostly] as collective narative... that is, Everything is SiC unless there is someone there to see/hear/read it.

and at the very least, you do know where my borders are :)

to be honest, posting things as newspaper articals [appart from the fact that newspapers as such arn't really around at this point, i don't think], especially censored for public consumption, just makes everyone else's job harder when it comes to Writing their stuff.

now, i can understand actuall anouncements being made like that... but who made it? where? to whom? what thought and action brought it about, that is, Why is it being made?

the other charicters may not know at this point, but readers and authors should, for the most part.

does this make any sense, or am i just rambleing and comeing accross as being objectionable? .. i do hope it's the former. :confused:

Its making sense, its just different from how I'm used to RPing a newsthread. For my type of newsthread check out E20. What I was trying to get across was that an envoy had been sent to angermanland and should arrive soon. he comes with such and such proposal. it was more of the view of the state just not detailed.

Wow, untill you pointed it out I didn't notice those black dots.

yeah. somewhere along the way there is a plan to actually lable things :s

Angerwraith is .. umm.. not a port city, actually, as you can probibly see from the map... unless you count the river docks, but that goes to the caspian sea, not the baltic :s

heh. yeah, i supose we're pushing the definition of RP a little with this one.

still, it makes for good reading, no?

so much information to go in my fact book. it's lagging behind the story quite a bit.

anyway, do you want to edit your post to remove referance to the port, or adjust it so they end up in the [currently unnamed] part of the nation that is in what should be southern finland, or what?

[edit: that being the Only ocean port that Angermanland has.]

edit the second: i'm thinking just adjust it so that they went overland or something. appart from referance to it being a port, there's no reason why it Shouldn't take place in Angerwraith

We can just assume they took the same routes as the Vikings who reached Constantinople only adjusting for a city off the Caspian instead of Black.

i have no idea what rout that was. heh. if it was by way of the med, rather than overland, i don't think you get there, as i don't See [at least at the scale our map is on] any connection between the caspian and black seas.. unless they sailed to the east coast of the black sea and then went overland.. but that would be worse than simply going overland through angermanland due to border issues.

anyway, i'm not worryed about How they got there, really.. just need to adjust the post so that it doesn't try and claim that Angerwraith is a port city. no biggy.

The Ralish seems pretty busy with practically everyone and their dog going to war against him. Might I suggest we cut him some slack? Seems that at this point war with Angermanland, Osteia, and Caladonn are unavoidable. Just a suggestion to prevent this from getting out of hand.

As for the map, now that the Ralish, our cartographer, has got his hands full, I'm offering to take over for him. I have the third post in this thread so if the Ralish edits his map out, I can put the updated one up. I'm trying to horde power here; I just thought I'd help things go more smoothly. Is that cool with you Ralish?

So labels are needed, no? I need to clarify who's who.
The Ralish is obviously the giant green swath.
Angermanland is red.
Osteia is the light green in Italy.
I'm the light green between the Black and Caspian Seas

Now this is when I get unsure.
Caladonn is the purple.
Toopoxia is the yellow.
Madnestan is the tan.
Kamasha is the peach (?) - Iberia etc.

Unmarked claims:
Terror Incognitia has claimed France, and Flanders... how about the bits in Western Germany?
Philanchez has claimed southern Scandanavia (you'll have to be more specific) and all the land between Angermanland and the Ralish.
Hok-Tu has claimed... Japan? which islands specifically? Sakhalin to Okinawa? Taiwan?

Anybody I missed? And any acquired territory not up there?
Also locations of capitals and their names?

Oh... and specific nation names if they don't match your Jolt username.

actually... weither the Ralish gets around to replying to it or not, putting the updated map in your post on the first page [with a note saying that it is the more current one untill such time as that becomes untrue] is a smart idea.

i think the interesting bit is that the Ralish seems to have multipul names for his nation, depending who you ask and how much of it is being included at the time.

actually, i'm wondering exactly what the point of Hok-Tu [kirisubo, i think?] claming japan is.. he's Miles from anyone and everyone :confused:

anyway, i think you've got the colours right. previous posts would indicate that it's a fair guess that Philanchez is claiming everything south of the arctic circle [in scandanavia, at least] though i could be wrong... certainly if he's Not, the rest of it would be nominaly his anyway.

oh yeah.. makeing capitals more obvious [when you know where they are] would be helpful too. especially if they're labled as well.

i'd say the fact that the Ralish sent the ambasidor home in a bag [or three] witha message would be how, most likely.

Heh, good point! :p I read that post of his in a rush.

Aridiris, you know how you said 'every man and his dog' were going after the Ralish?

is it really surprising, given how big he is the specifics of what he controls?

Madnestan, yeah... it's really not good to read Anything in a rush in this RP, i think. lots of little details hidden all over the place, and more than a few of us like making Use of the details, i think :D

can't Wait to get Terra active in this... too bad the Ralish are big and in the way. we'll have to do something about that.

honestly though, such a large empire is Far more likely to fall to internal strife than external invasions, those these things add up eventually.

that map really makes me look bigger than i actualy am, doesn't it? if you realise how far north i am, and take into account the earth's curve.. i'm not actually that big. my borders don't even reach all the way to poland, i think. end result is i look bigger than i am. huh.

does this RP really move in fits and starts, or is it just that bordom is driving me to check it more often than is nessisary?

Aridiris, you know how you said 'every man and his dog' were going after the Ralish?

is it really surprising, given how big he is the specifics of what he controls?


No, it's not surprising at all. I'm only suggesting it to maintain some sanity. I certainly wouldn't want to RP like 5 wars.


Anyways, this map is really hard to work with.

err... actually, given his proported population and possible military size....

'sanity' would be defined as not attacking at all unless we could all strike at once... from an IC point of view, anyway.

but i do see your point.

and yeah.. there are a Lot of reasons i don't do maps :D

Until I get more specifics from the new people, there's no point in updating the map anyways.

People, let me know!

That's it for me here tonight.

Is anyone else having trouble logging into NS?

Ok, specifics:
Nation: Incognitia
Capital: Nescia (RL Paris).
Territories: All unclaimed territory between the Pyrenees, the Alps and the Black Forest.
And prepared to go to war against the Ralish, if necessary; if not then leave a bit of the territory I just stated blank for me to take over with the already stated army.
And a pretty pink does me for national colour ;)

i have no idea what rout that was. heh. if it was by way of the med, rather than overland, i don't think you get there, as i don't See [at least at the scale our map is on] any connection between the caspian and black seas.. unless they sailed to the east coast of the black sea and then went overland.. but that would be worse than simply going overland through angermanland due to border issues.

anyway, i'm not worryed about How they got there, really.. just need to adjust the post so that it doesn't try and claim that Angerwraith is a port city. no biggy.

As I recall, the Vikings who went to Constantinople to serve as the bodyguard of the Emperor went down the rivers in Russia from the Baltic all the way to the Black Sea. I think it involved a bit of portage (carrying the ships from one river to another), but not overmuch.

I have a just cause for making my stand against The Ralish, my nation needs a king and idependance....

Others...well, they have their reasons aswell...

Nation: Kalmaar
Capital: Daaskim(RL Oslo)
Territory: Scandinavia and Pomeranian-Polish-Baltic area

On another note, I can make a wonderful anti-aliased map with more color variation than this one in a few minutes. I'll be back soon with a URL for it.

Nation name: Osteia
Capital: Apollo(RL Rome)
Territory: Italy and surrounding islands

Oh, and if the dude who claimed Spain still exists, I'll be making contact shortly. Cala can expect contact as soon as I have time. Anything else can wait till I have time :D

Hey Terror, Reallydrunk here....

good to see you m8

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2576/yeoldemaprh4.png

Thats up-to-date to my knowledge. I added all the capitols except Osteia's(sorry fionished befor eyou said it). Also, just ignore the far east for now, I have to fix all of that.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2576/yeoldemaprh4.png

Thats up-to-date to my knowledge. I added all the capitols except Osteia's(sorry fionished befor eyou said it). Also, just ignore the far east for now, I have to fix all of that.

Awesome. Wanna take over from me?

We still have the bit with Angermanland and the Ralish connecting east of the Caspian sea and I think you gave me more territory (shouldn't complain...)

Philanchez:

i'm curious as to what the random black dots all over asia are, and the colour choice is... different [that's not a complaint, btw :P]

umm, i don't own/control [or even really want] northern finland. and i Think you've thickend the Ralish's territory in france... i belive it was narrower than that before...

and yeah, the ralish and i don't [or shouldn't] meet east of the caspian sea.

anyway, as for the method of your guys getting to my capital... sounds fair enough, and logical.

though i never knew they did that. go figure.

and yay for Terra appearing again! woo!

Ralish, i think you're going to be very busy...

there's stuff pertinant[sp] to you in almost every thread, i think :p

this mobilization of troops on your part is a worry so far as i'm concerned, but eh *shrugs*

anyway, tell me when you're ready for me to actually start that war, and i'll cross the river [whatever it's called.]

i would like to point out, incidently, that only the spy masters, such as Hera herself, and Zenkath, would actually be from Angermanland. wherever possible, they hire locals... the traders who are members WOULD be with caravans and the like.

what you're seeing there are either Osteians in hera's employ, or your own citizens.

edit: oh yeah, i am reminded: the suffix which denotes an adjective is indeed '-ij' not '-ji' and simply means that the word is being used as an adjective. the angerman equivilant of the english suffix '-er' that is, one who is/does something, is the prefix "ouh-" and would be attached to an adjective to form 'one who is' and a verb to form 'one who does'... your angerman lesson for the day :P

Yes, yes, someone take over the cartography!

Sorry, I never imagined we'd have the much interest when I proposed my massive crumbling empire! I'm amazed by how fast it is all moving! Last time I tried anything ancient, I got about two interested parties and three posts a month!


Minor acts of sabotage in the Ralish Rus... well, I can't imagine what they'd be. Vandalism of private property, compelling the militia to come out? Or attempts on Imperial infrastructure such as the granaries that feed armies on the march, which would require a full-scale assault on a palisade and light garrison?

Oh, man, I've got to start catching up... somewhere! But I'm not sure where to start! *Knuckles down*

Oh, and the ij/ji thing was probably just a typo. It's Friday night again, already, and so I'm once again quite drunk ...on Alshorian ale, of course!

Wow, this is really picking up, I'm glad to see Terror and Philanchez back. Airidiris, I've had good experiences with Philanchez's cartographic skills, but if you still want to do it then I'm sure something could be worked out.

To be honest, everyone kinda wants a go at the Ralish... I didn't even want war, just some territory, but it turned into a war that I seem (or maybe I'm just deluding myself) to be the head of.

Sorry about the past tense thing; I sometimes write in the present tense for events that are occuring, but I'll try to change that.

EDIT: The map looks great, I just have a few concerns. First off, I control the Faroe Islands; more importantly, though, I think we really need to get Greenland and possibly some of the Americas into the map; I'm planning a Vinland-style colonisation once things in Iceland work out. Also, are people ok with me RPing the Icelanders and Greenlanders joining me? It's what they did IRL this time, but if people consider it GMing, then I'd be happy to have someone RP defense for them.

Finally, what exactly happened with the Canary and other islands off Africa? I don't think that Kamasha owned them before.

You don't need to list Kirisubo on a map. All you need to do is keep going east once you pass Japan :)

i'm planning to use the modern map of japan for detailed roleplay and the capital will be Osaka.

so far theres only Toops and myself in the north pacific so some company would be appreciated.

Wow, this is really picking up, I'm glad to see Terror and Philanchez back. Airidiris, I've had good experiences with Philanchez's cartographic skills, but if you still want to do it then I'm sure something could be worked out.

By all means. I just wanted to help out, but I'd gladly relinquish cartography to someone obviously better at it than I.

Hmm... there seems to be a bit of tension between Kamasha and Angermanland... hope that doesn't result in a fracture of the alliance.

Anyways, for wars and such, should we just post in the regular threads, or create new ones?

Kamasha, can I assume that since my nation isn't independant that your wedding invitation wasn't sent to my leaders? In fact sending such an invitation to my leaders might be a huge insult to the Ralish.

ok, war thread up.

i got sick of waiting for the informaition i needed *shrugs*

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11722849#post11722849 << there it is. i'll put it on the front page, too.

Word will obviously spread that a 7000 strong army is marching south faster than the army moves. In a few days, maybe a week (game time of course not real time) I'll RP messengers coming to Aridiris with the news, and the reactions. Should be interesting.

Okay, I took Philanchez's map, corrected a few things, changed the colour scheme and added labels. But I still don't have all the information from everybody.

I don't know if you want to take over in cartography or not, Philanchez, but thanks for the new map. It is much easier to work with.

I don't know who is Japan or the Philipines, but I Ieft them in. I changed the colours back to the original because I thought the new ones were too dark. If anybody wants there nation's colours changed let me know. Try not to choose a colour that will make it look ugly.

When Osteia and I have achieved a largely recognized independance, I'll change our colours to reflect that.

The new map is on the front page of this thread.

actually, the egyptian nation will eventually go splat, apparantly.. the philipeans are toopaxia [in his new incarnation] or some such...

japan.. well, i know who's playing it [hok tu? did i spell that right?] but i haven't seen anything from him in a while. which isn't surprising, considering.. no one's really over there.

oh yeah: something to remember folks: armys that even make it into double digets worth of thousands of men should be a major rarity. those nations large enough to get that many men in one place at one time have such extensive borders that doing so would generaly be dangerous.

if anyone other than the ralish pulls out an army in the order of 50 000 strong i'll be most unimpressed....

and if the ralish manages it without totaly stripping his defenses and/or having horrific logistical issues, i'd be simierlarly inclined to start questioning it's legitmacy. this isn't china, you know :p

some of the kings in europe could get 100,000 man armys from time to time. if they hadden't fought in some time.. and if they pretty much stripped their entire kingdom of every single man who could bare arms without being garenteed to cause a famin or some such... and probilby that wouldn't have been in harvest season either.

just something to keep in mind.

According to the best figures I can find (wiki, but I'm looking for confirmation), the population of France, in modern borders, is approximately 16 million in the year 1226 AD. Now, we at least a century before that; and I don't hold all of France. However I do hold territories in Belgium and the Netherlands.
So I'm wondering if anyone would have any objection to my RPing with 12 million (approx).

Oh, and that means that though logistical problems prevent 100,000 man armies, I can call up a hell of a lot for home defence.

I found a real world country with about the same population as mine and took their potential military manpower as stated in the CIA worldfact book and used it for mine.

My nation could never support a military of that size, but the Ralish might be able to use his resources to support a substantial portion of them.

I like the map but why did I lose control over gibralta. I know that someone have made some fortifikations there. But they did not claim the land :S.
So Gibralta should have been collored with Kamashas collors with two small dots marking the forts.

I think that's the general intent; Caladonn has fortifications presumably on the rock itself, and at Ceuta (I think) on the other side.

I like the map but why did I lose control over gibralta. I know that someone have made some fortifikations there. But they did not claim the land :S.
So Gibralta should have been collored with Kamashas collors with two small dots marking the forts.

Can't really build forts without claiming the land. But those purple marks are bigger than they probably should be so that you can see them.

Probably should have had war over that, but Caladonn claimed Gibraltor and Tangiers before your nation suddenly popped into existence around them. And now you two have a royal marriage.

Yeah, I didn't really want to go to war over it, so I'm glad Kamasha and I are allied. In any case, Kamasha, you obviously have free passage through the straits as my ally anyway.

Opening battle post, Osteia...

And Caladonn i gotta have your diplomat meet with Locke...

Ralish says he going to have about 20,000 fighting men on that border, thats far more than i can muster right now...also to have numbers to that extent it means other parts of his country would be lightly defended, if at all.....

There, done...

all is moving...

Bump Caladonn for your diplomat in Nescia.

In reference to the map, I'll fix everything when I get home. The only part that was done was europe and the islands were colored in because I didn't have time at the moment to make them unclaimed. The black dots in Asia were major cities from another RP. There were some in Europe too but I just didn't have the time to finish Asia. When I get home tonight I'll try to fix everything.

Oh and Airidris, we can both do it. Whoever is on when an update is needed can do it and then you just put it in your thread. And please do me a favor and opnly save the map as a .png or a .gif for quality purposes(JPEG's are ugly :P).

In reference to the map, I'll fix everything when I get home. The only part that was done was europe and the islands were colored in because I didn't have time at the moment to make them unclaimed. The black dots in Asia were major cities from another RP. There were some in Europe too but I just didn't have the time to finish Asia. When I get home tonight I'll try to fix everything.

Oh and Airidris, we can both do it. Whoever is on when an update is needed can do it and then you just put it in your thread. And please do me a favor and opnly save the map as a .png or a .gif for quality purposes(JPEG's are ugly :P).

I removed, I think, all the dots in Asia.

You obviously have more skill, so feel free. I'll reload all your edits into the map on the first page. I kept it in png.

Damnit. Its too pixely! I can't edit it without taking up way too much time. What program did you edit it with?

On armies and populations: The Alshorian Empire obviously contains tens of millions of people, and covers several historic civilisations that each were able to raise armies of tens of thousands of men.

However, the core of our military is the Alshorian Guard -15,000 strong, soon to be raised slightly- and wider units of Guardsmen modeled after that force, but usually only a few hundred strong in each region. Most of the 20,000 facing Osteia are not 'citizens' if you think in Roman terms, as the Alshorians do have a generally similar concept, and have no access to 'military-grade' weapons or standard training. Then there's a few hundred Guardsmen and sixteen-hundred mercenaries from one foreign country alone- some of the 20,000 will also be soldiers-for-hire from within the Empire. They can be raised just about anywhere, but trying to sustain them as a force of occupation or something would rapidly drain Azaria's coffers.

Things are starting to go bad for the Empire, but, at the moment, we're basically undefeated and raised on centuries of wealth and supremacy, so forgive us for rejecting up-start foreign proposals and raising large armies against them, for now :)

Ok understood...cool

:)

Things just had to be made a little more clear, thats all :)

Damnit. Its too pixely! I can't edit it without taking up way too much time. What program did you edit it with?

Why MSpaint of course. Doesn't look more pixelly to me, though. Looks like the exact same quality. Am I missing something?

appart from that paint sucks when you have anything else available? not really :D

i'm guessing Phil has something better available :)

hehe. Ralish, i didn't really expect the supplies to be that significant...

but think on this: if you Did somehow win the battle... it would slow down any follow up that much, wouldn't it? :)

actually, you had the opertunity to outright save them, if you had a decent watch down there. i only said a fire started, not [as i almost did] that it actually burnt all your supplies....

though apparantly it now has, so i'm happy :D

time, i'm thinking, for Osteian heavy cav to point out to those bold guardsmen that the battle is, infact, lost, no? :D

is it just me, or do you folks not like the idea of war threads? :p

Ralish, there is a link a page back, and another one on the front page, to the thread where my army is marching... and is already in your territory...

is anything actually going to Happen there? or am i just going to blithly march that perimiter, fort it up, declare it part of the Principality, and then set about defending against any retaliation?

i actually Can't Write anymor untill you react, but it is happening at the same time as the other invasions, so no thinking that simply not fighting it untill later gets you more guys :p

or perhaps Aridiris would care to act, somehow?

Unless ordered to do so by Alshor, my armies will not cross the Aridiris border. We don't have the jurisdiction to move outside of Aridiris.
When word arrives that an army is coming, we will call up reserves and move some southern armies up north (which will take some time), and defend our border if threatened.

wonderful. i get to sit here some more. ahh well. it can't be helped, i suppose :)

I gave you something to do. :D

Albeit not the immediate violence you might have been looking for.

If you're wondering about the other letter, I'll post in my factbook later. Just a request to the governor to raise troops.

Perhaps the whole story doesn't really belong in the war thread. Let me know if you think it clutters it up and I'll move it to my factbook. I just can't write things without a story! :p

oh, very good.. VERY good. oh yes...

i love when a good plot comes togeather :D

heh. i'm still trying to work out if i'm just impatiant, or if the Ralish really is slow, or both... ahh well.

Perhaps the whole story doesn't really belong in the war thread. Let me know if you think it clutters it up and I'll move it to my factbook. I just can't write things without a story! :p

hehe. you're not the only one. i Like reading your stuff... that one is very fitting. it could have gone in your fact book, true, but it will fit where it is well enough, and make the war it's self more coherant where it is than if one had to jump from one thread to another.

i'm just trying to work out how to cover the passage of time between the message leaving and ariveing.. a matter of wording, no more or less.

about how long do you think it would take to get where it's going? and how long would that be after i crossed the river?

Thanks!

I figured word that you had entered the Ralish's territory travelled fast given the urgency. Half a week maybe. I'd like to think my nation has sort of an express system like the Mongols had, where a messenger would ride as fast as he could changing horses at stations along the way essentially going non-stop. My message to you would travel slower. Maybe a week? Depending on how far you've travelled in that time. Perhaps faster then.

Though I'm kinda pulling these numbers out of my ass.

I'm off for the night.

sounds reasonable. still, it's a week and a half, roughly, for the Ralish to get it togeather and do something in the area.

so, i'll leave the responce for tomorrow. who knows, the letter may not even arrive, or i could get in a battle before then *shrugs*