NationStates Jolt Archive


War in the Balkans E20 (closed)

Galveston Bay
14-09-2006, 17:13
Background
Long a collision point between Islam and Christianity and between Catholic and Orthodox Christianity, the Balkans has never really known peace. The 20th Century was to see no difference.

The Ottoman Empire ruled most of the area until the 19th Century, and over the course of time has lost Greece, Serbia, portions of what is now part of Austria Hungary, Rumania, and most recently in 1906, has surrendered control over parts of Greece, as well as Albania (which includes Kosovo and Macedonia at this point) and Bulgaria.

In 1906, the governments of Rumania, Russia, Greece and Serbia met to determine what action they would take to gain advantage in this situation. By 1907 it became clear that a quick invasion of Bulgaria and Albania would result in clear benefits for Greece, Serbia and Rumania. Plans were made and momentum started.

However, unknown to the nations involved, others were on to their plans. A Russian official leaked the information to the Bulgarian government. Meanwhile, German intelligence became aware of the situation and notified the Austrians and Bulgarians as well as the Turks. The Bulgarians notified the Albanians.

Over the course of late winter and early spring of 1907, the soon to be warring nations of Albania, Bulgaria, Greece and Rumania quietly mobilized or improved steps to mobilize their armies while pretending nothing was amiss.

King of Rumania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_of_Romania

King of Bulgaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Bulgaria
his son
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_III_of_Bulgaria
who really is running Bulgaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racho_Petrov
(this wouldn't be widely known, but this man, and the Liberal Party, are running things, while the King enjoys his blond young men. The Kings homosexuality is well known in the courts of Europe)
Galveston Bay
14-09-2006, 17:14
ongoing timeline
1906 The Ottoman Empire grants Albania and Bulgaria independence, and also cedes important territories to Greece. The Ottoman Empire completes its withdrawal from Europe except for parts of Thrace.

1907
January
A high ranking official in Russia leaks information to a member of the opposition party in Bulgaria (which is pro Russian) indicating that closer ties with Russia can be expected in the near future. Bulgarian intelligence discovers this and investigates further, leading it to realize that Rumania and Greece are planning an aggressive war against Bulgaria.
February
German intelligence picks up the same thing, and informs Bulgaria, Austria Hungary and the Ottoman Empire.
Bulgaria begins to prepare for war secretly, while the Greeks and Rumanians do the same.
March
Bulgaria begins to quietly mobilize, and an election is engineered to bring Petrov in as Prime Minister (with a second hat as Defense Minister). Greece and Rumania also quietly begin to mobilize.
April
Rumania invites King Ferdnand to visit his first cousin, King Ferdinand of Rumania. Seeing a potential opportunity, the Bulgarian government, which has kept the King in the dark on much of what is going on, mainly because he isn't interested, lets him go. The visit if planned for May 2, 1907
Galveston Bay
14-09-2006, 17:14
Maps
http://www.dunav.org.il/images/maps/map_balkan.jpg
http://www.dunav.org.il/images/maps/map_ethnic.jpg
http://slavs.freeservers.com/Balkmap.html
http://cf.uba.uva.nl/nl/collecties/kaarten/strijd_om_ruimte/gfx/groot/11g.jpg
http://piperov.home.cern.ch/piperov/Bulgaria.jpg


Forces 1907
Serbia conscript force
Regular forces
5 mountain divisions
Reserve forces
1 infantry corps, 2 fortress corps

Montenegro
1 reserve infantry corps

Bulgaria conscript force
Regular forces
4 mountain divisions, 1 cavalry division
reserve forces
2 mountain divisions, 1 cavalry division, 3 infantry corps


Rumania conscript force
Regular forces
2 infantry corps, 3 cavalry divisions, 3 mountain divisions
reserve forces
6 reserve infantry corps

Greece conscript force
Regular forces
3 infantry corps, 2 mountain divisions
reserve forces
5 reserve infantry corps

Albania
1 fortress, 1 light infantry brigade
reserves
2 reserve infantry corps
Bulgaria deploys its troops as follows:
2 infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions to defend eastern Bulgaria from the Rumanians
1 infantry corps to defend eastern Bulgaria from the Greeks
6 mountain divisions to defend Sofia and western Bulgaria (2 divisions each to watch Greeks, Rumanians and Serbs)

Albania deploys its troops as follows:
1 fortress and 1 infantry corps to defend against the Greeks
1 infantry corps to hold Macedonia from Greeks and Serbs
1 light infantry brigade to fight a delaying action in Kosovo should Serbia enter the war

Rumania deploys its troops as follows:
3 mountain divisions to watch western Bulgaria
6 infantry corps, 3 cavalry divisions to invade eastern Bulgaria
2 infantry corps to watch Austrian border

Greece deploys its troops as follows:
2 infantry corps to invade eastern Bulgaria
4 infantry corps to invade Macedonia
2 mountain divisions to pressure Albania
1 infantry corps to guard Athens
1 infantry corps to guard Crete

the possibility of potential Turkish and Austrian intervention prevents Greece and Rumania from committing everything to the attack.

Meanwhile, Serbia considers its options, and deploys its troops as follows:
2 fortress corps to guard Belgrade
1 infantry corps on border of Bulgaria
3 mountain divisions facing Kosovo
2 mountain divisions facing Macedonia
Galveston Bay
14-09-2006, 17:15
The triggering event
On May 2, King Ferdinand of Bulgaria arrives in Bucharest, with a security staff and a few attendants. At the last minute, the Prime Minister is forced to cancel his trip with the King as he is ill.

In Rumania and Greece, reservists complete their mobilization and troops move to the border. Unaware that the Bulgarians and Albanians are expecting them, they expect to gain complete surprise. Meanwhile, the Bulgarians and Albanians move into positions a few miles back from the border, and also take up positions to guard against an attack from Serbia.

On Saturday May 4, just after an informal breakfast, the King of Rumania excuses himself briefly and a few minutes later, at 10 AM, a company of troops deals with the Bulgarian Kings security men and arrests him. Even as this is going on, Greek and Rumania forces cross the border into Bulgaria.
Kilani
14-09-2006, 19:05
However, unknown to the nations involved, others were on to their plans. A Russian official leaked the information to the Bulgarian government.

Once this is discovered, the official in question is quietly liquidated by the Secret Police.
Galveston Bay
14-09-2006, 21:56
Once this is discovered, the official in question is quietly liquidated by the Secret Police.

ooc
assuming you find out who it is, and its not someone affiliated with the court ;)

you will get chances each year to find out who it is
Galveston Bay
14-09-2006, 23:02
The triggering event
On May 2, King Ferdinand of Bulgaria arrives in Bucharest, with a security staff and a few attendants. At the last minute, the Prime Minister is forced to cancel his trip with the King as he is ill.

In Rumania and Greece, reservists complete their mobilization and troops move to the border. Unaware that the Bulgarians and Albanians are expecting them, they expect to gain complete surprise. Meanwhile, the Bulgarians and Albanians move into positions a few miles back from the border, and also take up positions to guard against an attack from Serbia.

On Saturday May 4, just after an informal breakfast, the King of Rumania excuses himself briefly and a few minutes later, at 10 AM, a company of troops deals with the Bulgarian Kings security men and arrests him. Even as this is going on, Greek and Rumania forces cross the border into Bulgaria.

war begins
[NS]Parthini
14-09-2006, 23:18
war begins

Do we know the full details about the arrest of the Bulgarian King?
Rodenka
14-09-2006, 23:20
Parthini;11682170']Do we know the full details about the arrest of the Bulgarian King?

I'd hope not....we're trying to keep it quiet for now.
Abbassia
14-09-2006, 23:24
The Kingdom issues prepared worldwide protests over Rumanian and Greek Unwarrented aggression and protests the black-handed action of attacking a neighboring nation during the visit and the prescence of dignitaries from Bulgaria.

An ultimatum are issued for the release and safe passage of all Bulgarian diplomats -including the king- as per international laws and etiquette aswell as the withdrawl of all belligerent forces from Bulgarian Territory.

Calls for support (diplomatic and otherwise) are made to Russia (Bulgaria has been lately a bit pro-Russian), Austro-Hungary (due to improved relations), Ottoman Empire (On behalf of the Muslim Albanians), Germany (maybe can convince the Rumanian King) and a personal plea is sent to the British king over the treatment of a fellow Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
Rodenka
14-09-2006, 23:31
Rumania denies any aggression and states that the Bulgarian army attacked several of it's border posts.
Safehaven2
14-09-2006, 23:40
tag
Kilani
14-09-2006, 23:41
Russia posts an infantry corps to the border of Rumania, but otherwise leaves it's troops on stand-down. The government iterates it's wish for peace in the Balkans and calls for calm. Russia claims that it will launch an investigation when it is safe for Russian diplomats to travel once more.
Ottoman Khaif
15-09-2006, 00:18
tag
Galveston Bay
15-09-2006, 00:20
Parthini;11682170']Do we know the full details about the arrest of the Bulgarian King?

ooc
no, although diplomats in Bucherest would know that he was visiting the city and aren't sure he left before the war started.
Ottoman Khaif
15-09-2006, 00:28
SIC:

In reactions to recent tensions in the Balkans, the Ottoman General Staff orders the mobilization of two reserve garrisons (one in Istanbul and another in Adrianople) In order to shore up the defenses for Ottoman Thrace and also one reserve inf corp will be moved to Greek border.
Kilani
15-09-2006, 05:17
Russia announces that it is sending teams of non-combatant observers into the warzones in order to determine who is at fault for the war and in order to ensure that international law is upheld during the course of the war.
Abbassia
15-09-2006, 07:59
Rumania denies any aggression and states that the Bulgarian army attacked several of it's border posts.

Nonetheless, All Bulgarian Diplomatic representatives -Including the King and his security detail- are demanded to allow safe passage to Bulgaria, the Ultamatum is extended 24 hours.
Rodenka
15-09-2006, 17:12
Nonetheless, All Bulgarian Diplomatic representatives -Including the King and his security detail- are demanded to allow safe passage to Bulgaria, the Ultamatum is extended 24 hours.

Rumania releases the King, but refuses to allow any other diplomatic staff out of the country.
Abbassia
15-09-2006, 19:50
The Rumanians are reminded that International law gurantees the rights of our diplomats.

The Released King tells the story of his capture and subsequently Rumania is condemned further for attacking the King's security detail (OOC: suessing some were killed) and demands both compensation and apology for this travesty.
Kilani
15-09-2006, 21:20
Russia urges Rumania to release the diplomatic staff. There is no purpose behind holding them and is indeed against International Law. Russia offers a squadron of cavalry to escort them through the lines, as Russia is currently nuetral in the conflict.
Abbassia
15-09-2006, 21:35
Bulgaria thanks Russia for their support, An escort of cavalry shan't be nessecery as the government has made arrangements to charter a small ferry from Constanta to Varna should Rumania comply.

Bulgaria asks support from the Russian government regarding the affair with the King's security detail.
Kilani
15-09-2006, 21:39
Russia says it will do it's best, but privately tell the Bulgarians that they will be lucky to get concessions from the Rumanians right now as the two nations are at war.
Galveston Bay
15-09-2006, 21:41
War May - June 1907
The Greeks attack into Albanian held Macedonia with 4 infantry corps organized into the 1st and 2nd Army against the Albanian defenders who have a single corps. The rough terrain along the border makes attacking difficult, and offsets somewhat the significant numerical superiority the Greeks have. In two months of fighting however, the Greeks manage to push well into the region, taking half of it.

Meanwhile, another Greek offensive against Bulgaria, with 2 infantry corps organized into the 3rd Army, is stalemated in the rugged terrain along the Bulgarian / Greek border, and no significant gains are made. The single Bulgarian corps manages to hold, although losses are heavy.

While the Greeks are attacking from the south, the Rumanians attack from the north. Three Rumanian armies attack (6 infantry corps, 3 cavalry divisions) against the Bulgarian 1st Army of 2 infantry corps and 2 cavalry divisions. Fighting is bitter and progress is steady but costly. However, by the end of June the Bulgarian port of Varna has fallen and the Rumanians are at the outskirts of Burgus.

Losses:
casualties are 20% killed, 10% captured, 20% crippled (permanently), 25% out of action for over extended periods, and 25% able to return to duty in 90 days or less.

Rumanian: 65,000
Greek: 40,000
Albanian: 22,500
Bulgarian; 82,500

the armies are forced to reorganize after 2 months of fighting.
Situation as of June 30
Albanian forces in Macedonia: 1 light infantry division
1 fortress and 1 infantry corps to defend against the Greeks
1 light infantry brigade to fight a delaying action in Kosovo should Serbia enter the war

Bulgarian forces
1 infantry corps, 1 cavalry division to defend eastern Bulgaria from the Rumanians (remnants of 1st Army)
1 light infantry division to defend eastern Bulgaria from the Greeks
6 mountain divisions to defend Sofia and western Bulgaria (2 divisions each to watch Greeks, Rumanians and Serbs)(2nd Army)

Greek forces
1 infantry corps, 1 light infantry division stalled at border of eastern Bulgaria
3 infantry corps in Macedonia and pushing
2 mountain divisions watching Albanian border Albania
1 infantry corps to guard Athens (available)
1 infantry corps to guard Crete (available)

Rumanian forces
3 mountain divisions watching western Bulgaria
4 infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions, 2 cavalry divisions in eastern Bulgaria and pushing south and west
2 infantry corps watching Austrian border

ooc
combat resolved using the game Operational Art of War, which handily has both the 1st and 2nd Balkan Wars as games, so actual forces were used

note that some corps no longer exist and have been replaced by light infantry divisions which represent the actual combat power and size of those corps now.
Abbassia
15-09-2006, 21:59
The Govrenment declares a state of Emergency and appeals for international support against an unprovoked attack and many violations of international law including initiating aggressions without a formal declaration of war and the illegal detainment of Diplomatic officials.
Rodenka
15-09-2006, 23:13
Diplomatic officials are released, but are instructed to go via rail through the Austro-Hungarian Empire and then through Serbia, or to russia and then to Bulgaria by ship. They are not allowed to cross the battle lines.
Ottoman Khaif
16-09-2006, 00:35
SIC:

In reactions to the latest turn of events, the Ottoman General Staff orders the deployment of 2 Mountain Infantry Divisions near Adrianople in order to shore up the defenses for Ottoman Thrace.

Current depolyments of Ottoman Forces in Ottoman Thrace

1 reserve infantry corp
2 garrison units (Adrianople, Istanbul)
and 2 Mountain Infantry Division on route to be deployed near Adrianople
Kordo
16-09-2006, 04:51
In response to recent Serbian, Romanian and Greek violence to the new nation and friend of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Austria-Hungary has moblized its reserves and has ordered two corps apiece to the Romanian and Serbian border regions. It also asks that all nations halt their attacks in order that peace may return to the region.
Amestria
16-09-2006, 04:58
In response to recent Serbian, Romanian and Greek violence to the new nation and friend of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Austria-Hungary has moblized its reserves and has ordered two corps apiece to the Romanian and Serbian border regions. It also asks that all nations halt their attacks in order that peace may return to the region.

The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs inquires whether Austria-Hungry has issued an ultimatum or a mere request.

In the words of the French Ambassador, "Is Austria-Hungry threatening war?"
Kilani
16-09-2006, 06:06
In response to recent Serbian, Romanian and Greek violence to the new nation and friend of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Austria-Hungary has moblized its reserves and has ordered two corps apiece to the Romanian and Serbian border regions. It also asks that all nations halt their attacks in order that peace may return to the region.

Russia asks that the Austro-Hungarian's stand down their troops for now. Intervening would simply mean more bloodshed and death. Russia assures the Austrians that they will handle it.

Three more regular corps are ordered to the Rumanian border from the Odessa Military District and the Warsaw Military District.
Galveston Bay
16-09-2006, 08:40
In response to recent Serbian, Romanian and Greek violence to the new nation and friend of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Austria-Hungary has moblized its reserves and has ordered two corps apiece to the Romanian and Serbian border regions. It also asks that all nations halt their attacks in order that peace may return to the region.

Serbia points out that isn't at war with anyone and has mobilized purely as a defensive measure
Abbassia
16-09-2006, 10:27
Quiet communication is sent to Bulgarian supporters in the Russian government about the recent aggressions and pushes for swift Russian intervention against Rumania, otherwise the Austrian intervention shall be more welcome.
Abbassia
16-09-2006, 21:21
In an emergency meeting of government following the fall of Varna and the advance of the Rumanian and Greek unwarrented aggression, an important decision was to be made; whether to accept Austrian Intervention or wait in hopes of a Russian intervention?

This decision was a difficult one which has to be made swiftly, on one hand Russia has been a long-time backer of Bulgaria. However, intel reports give a clear indication something is wrong from the instant a conference regarding the Balkans was called without extending an invitation to newly independant fellow Orthodox Bulgaria.

This coupled with the anonymous tip that gave wind to an invasion and Russia's current lackluster response could mean only one thing: The current regime in Russia has abandoned Bulgaria to its fate.

However, a glimmer of hope remains as the anonymous tip indicates that Bulgaria has an ally in St. Petersburg, but who and how influential we do not know.

Courting the Dual Monarchy is another option aswell, on one hand Bulgaria would have instant relief on the other it would probably destroy whatever relationship Bulgaria had left in fellow Orthodox Russia.

Now faced between either clinging to a small uncertain hope and losing favour with what seemingly was an already lost friend the government opted to ask for whatever assistance they can get in these desperate times.

A formal request of direct intervention is publically issued to both Russia and Austria to repulse this unwarrented aggression by the Rumanians and Hellenic forces.
Kilani
16-09-2006, 22:10
Russia calls for an immediate armistice between the warring nations and warns that further aggression could result in Russian intervention, which would benefit no one. Russia offers to hold the peace conference in Warsaw.
Abbassia
16-09-2006, 22:16
Further depared by the Russian response the request for Russian support is withdrawn, many pro-russian government officials lose support.

In addition, a formal and proper peace conference will have to wait until 1-a formal declaration of war is issued by Greece and Rumania 2-A suitable cause for war is presented 3-Rumanian troops withdraw from Varna and Bulgaria as a whole.
Kilani
16-09-2006, 22:19
Further depared by the Russian response the request for Russian support is withdrawn, many pro-russian government officials lose support.


The Bulgarian government is quietly contacted and is told that if Rumania does not accept the armistice, four Russian corps are poised to move across the border into Rumania and stop them by force. Russia has no desire to see Bulgaria be utterly annihilated.

OOC: Chatzy?
Kordo
16-09-2006, 22:42
In addition, a formal and proper peace conference will have to wait until 1-a formal declaration of war is issued by Greece and Rumania 2-A suitable cause for war is presented 3-Rumanian troops withdraw from Varna and Bulgaria as a whole.

The Duel Monarchy hereby announces an ultimatum that unless all forces withdraw from Bulgaria within one month, that Rumania's army is limited to more than half of its size before the war, and that reperations be payed for all damage done to Bulgaria plus additional funds for the suffering endured by the Bulgarian people a state of war will exist between Austria-Hungary and the aggressor nations.

Again,

Unless ALL these demands are met, Austria-Hungary will be forced to find itself at war with all nations that attacked Bulgaria, unless ALL nations at war with Bulgaria, officially or unofficially, comply.
Abbassia
16-09-2006, 22:46
The now pro-Russian free government accuses Russia of putting Rumania and Greece up to the recent Aggression (based on the anonymous tip, political analysis and most improtantly the verification of German intel) and calls for the Dual Monarchy's assistance against the two-faced double-crossing Russian Expansionisim.
Whittlesfield
16-09-2006, 22:48
I sent orders to GB, yet he's sending my troops in different directions. I cannot send troops to East Bulgaria because I don't have Thrace! Stop this madness...please!
Galveston Bay
16-09-2006, 22:58
I sent orders to GB, yet he's sending my troops in different directions. I cannot send troops to East Bulgaria because I don't have Thrace! Stop this madness...please!

the original orders I have from you indicate that you are invading Bulgaria and the information I have from you and Ottoman indicates that you have sufficient amounts of Thrace to attack.

In addition, I am using real forces based on 1st and 2nd Balkan Wars, which I have a game that allows me to play out.

In other news, because of the possibility of the war widening, slowing time down. Today is July until Midnight Pacific Time

Then it will be August
Whittlesfield
16-09-2006, 23:00
I don't control any of Thrace I'm afraid. :(
My army is currently:
8 Infantry Divisions
2 Mountain Divisions
1 Cavalry Division
1 Light Infantry Brigade
4 Militia Divisions
4 Infantry Corps (reserve)

Did you get the orders I sent?
Kordo
16-09-2006, 23:25
The now pro-Russian free government accuses Russia of putting Rumania and Greece up to the recent Aggression (based on the anonymous tip, political analysis and most improtantly the verification of German intel) and calls for the Dual Monarchy's assistance against the two-faced double-crossing Russian Expansionisim.

Date: July 28, 1907
Telegram to: Bulgaria, Rumania, Greece

The Austro-Hungarian Empire, by request of the nation of Bulgaria now finds itself at war with the nations of Rumania and Greece. All forces of the army and navy have recieved their orders and are ordered to move out.
Rodenka
17-09-2006, 00:41
Rumania utterly rejects the Austrian ultimatum and calls upon all loyal citizens fo Rumania to stand together against the Austrian menace.
Galveston Bay
17-09-2006, 05:08
July 1, 1907
Europe holds its breath as it waits to see if Germany will mobilize to assist Austria, or sit out the war

Badly battered, the Bulgarian 1st Army continues to retreat to avoid being encircled and is gradually forced west. Albania commits its reserves to defend Macedonia, while Greek forces continue to push forward.

Diplomats report out of Russia that all Russian regular troops are ordered to the West. Reserves are placed on alert, but not mobilized as of yet. The four Corps on the border with Rumania move in, using the trains the Rumanians have prepared. They are ordered to take up positons defending the Rumanian border and to fight defensively. Under no circumstances are they to attack. They will defend. No Russian troops will cross into AHE.

The infantry corps in Sevastapol is shifted by sea to Dobruja. The troops moving into Rumania, in addition to defending it, arre ordered to secure the Rumanian capital. No war is declared. A statement is issued to the effect that Russia is pacifing the area.
Galveston Bay
17-09-2006, 05:21
Map of Austria Hungary
http://historicaltextarchive.com/hungary/map13.gif

Meanwhile, as the war continues in Bulgaria and Rumania, 2 corps of Austrian troops are carried by merchant shipping to Albania. Unloading is slow however, and they will not reach the front for 2 weeks (mid August)
Kilani
17-09-2006, 05:33
An urgent telegam arrives in Berlin. It reads:

"'To try and avoid such a calamity as a European war I beg you in the name of our old friendship to do what you can to stop your allies from their ill-advised and hasty action. We have not mobilized. We have no wish for an all-encompassing war. For the love of God, intervene on the behalf of peace. Nicky."
Abbassia
17-09-2006, 08:57
I sent orders to GB, yet he's sending my troops in different directions. I cannot send troops to East Bulgaria because I don't have Thrace! Stop this madness...please!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/Bu-map.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/GreeceRegionsEnglish.png

OOC: As you can see even though you do not own Thrace (as indicated in Ottomans map) you still own enough of Greek Macedonia to border East Bulgaria.
Whittlesfield
17-09-2006, 12:48
If East Bulgaria includes West Bulgaria, then yes I can. But the furthest east my territory goes is in line with Plovdiv.
Whittlesfield
17-09-2006, 13:45
Map of Austria Hungary
http://historicaltextarchive.com/hungary/map13.gif

Meanwhile, as the war continues in Bulgaria and Rumania, 2 corps of Austrian troops are carried by merchant shipping to Albania. Unloading is slow however, and they will not reach the front for 2 weeks (mid August)

Which front are they trying to reach?
Safehaven2
17-09-2006, 13:45
July 30

Germany begins a general mobilization and demands an immediate end to hostilities in the Balkans. Messages are sent to Rumania and Greece demanding an immediate pull out.
Whittlesfield
17-09-2006, 13:53
The Greek diplomat in Germany asks that the Kaiser reads his mail.
Cylea
17-09-2006, 15:43
The Greek diplomat in Germany asks that the Kaiser reads his mail.

OOC: i think there is a difference between not seeing a note, and deciding to ignore that note...
Rodenka
17-09-2006, 17:30
OOC: Fortunately, that doesn't happen till the end of July...we have time.
Kilani
17-09-2006, 18:36
July 30

Germany begins a general mobilization and demands an immediate end to hostilities in the Balkans. Messages are sent to Rumania and Greece demanding an immediate pull out.

Another telegram arrives in Berlin, asking the Kaiser to stand down his armies.

"If we do not allow calm and sense to rule the day, I fear that Europe will be plunged into a war the likes of which have never been seen before. If you continue down this path, I will have no choice but to order my own troops to a state of readiness. We have no wish for war, Willy. I still hold out hope for peace. Please, listen to reason. There is no reason for this calamity to occur. May God have mercy on our souls.

-Nicky"
Kilani
17-09-2006, 18:47
As it becomes clear that the Germans have no intention of standing down, the Tsar orders general mobilization, his heart heavy. Reservists are ordered to their units. All non-essential trains are nationalized. Russia is preparing for war.
[NS]Parthini
17-09-2006, 21:18
Upon hearing word of Russian Mobilization, The British Empire immediately declares itself to be a neutral non-belligerent. However, involved powers are informed that the forced entry or invasion of neutrals such as, but not limited to, Belgium, the Ottoman Empire and Portugal will be granted a swift response by the British Empire.
Samtonia
17-09-2006, 21:31
The Kingdom of Norway asks that all possible belligerents sit down and talk the issues out, in the interests of peace in the region. King Haakon is fearful that escalation is soon to result in the region, leading to what could be a devestating war for much of Europe. Through Norwegian representatives, the government's position is made clear: Norway is offering Oslo as a neutral negotiation point for the political leadership of the countries involved and hopes an agreement can be reached off the field of battle.
Kilani
17-09-2006, 21:37
Russia announces that it is willing to send representatives to Oslo.
Galveston Bay
17-09-2006, 21:54
Naval fighting in the Adriatic July August 1907
Austrian warships escort cargo and passenger ships carrying troops from Trieste to Albania.

Greek destroyers and torpedo boats begin making attacks at night and in early morning hours to disrupt the traffic. Several skirmishes occur but without serious strategic effect.

Initially the Greeks planned to take their cruisers with them until it was realized they were too slow to keep up with the destroyers and torpedo boats. Instead, they were used as armed tenders to provide refueling support in the sheltered covers along the eastern shore of the Adriatic (in Montenegran waters, with the Montenegran government ignoring the situation and claiming no knowledge as it doesn’t have a navy to enforce its neutrality in any case).

The Greeks manage to torpedo the Austrian cruiser Joseph I, sending it limping home, but otherwise aren’t terribly effective. Austrian fire manages to damage 7 Greek torpedo boats, and prevent serious interference with shipping.

Land war July August 1907
Meanwhile, the Bulgarian Army retreats further, joining up with the 2nd Army in defense of western Bulgaria. Rumanian forces overrun the rest of the country, isolating it from Turkey and linking up with the Greeks.

The Albanians fight hard to defend Macedonia, but heavy Greek pressure pushes them out and wreck more of the Albanian Army. The Greeks have conquered Macedonia by the end of August.

However, the Austrians have managed to get 2 corps into Albania, shoring up the Albanian defenses and ensuring Bulgaria retains a link to the outside world.

Albanian losses 10,000
Rumanian losses 10,000
Bulgarian losses 5,000
Greek losses 15,000

EXPECT EDITING TO ADD IN SERBIAN AND AUSTRIAN ACTIVITY
Whittlesfield
17-09-2006, 22:03
OOC: i think there is a difference between not seeing a note, and deciding to ignore that note...
No, I'd just sent him a TG, I just wanted to tell him I had :)
Safehaven2
17-09-2006, 22:34
Germany is giving the nations of Rumania, Greece and Russia one last chance to agree to the ultimatums issued by August 4th or a state of war will exist between the nations of Rumania, Greece and Russia and Germany.


OOC: GB, tgs.
Haneastic
17-09-2006, 22:44
Germany is giving the nations of Rumania, Greece and Russia one last chance to agree to the ultimatums issued by August 4th or a state of war will exist between the nations of Rumania, Greece and Russia and Germany.


OOC: GB, tgs.

Japan orders its troops in Manchuria and Korea (reservists were already called up back when China was about to be invaded) on alert but not to move.

The Japanese fleets were orered not to sortie, with the exception of several destroyers to patrol as normal.

Emperor Meiji issues the following statement:
It is our hope
That all the world's oceans
Be joined in peace,
So why do the winds and waves
Now rise up in angry rage?

OOC: one of Meiji's poem, it's such a sweet poem, so I had to use it
Canadstein
17-09-2006, 22:48
Serbia breaks it's neutrality and sides with Rumania, Russia, and Greece and declares war with Albania, Bulgaria, and Austria-Hungary Empire. Serbia already has it's men active in these posititions.

2 fortress corps to guard Belgrade
1 infantry corps on border of Bulgaria
3 mountain divisions facing Kosovo
2 mountain divisions facing Macedonia
Rodenka
17-09-2006, 23:08
Rumania reiterates it's rejection of the Austo-Hungarian demands, stating that they will accept an armistice and go to the negotiating table, but will not allow themselve to be humbled in such a humiliating way as the Austrians demand.
Samtonia
18-09-2006, 02:47
All European nations who are affected by fighting in the Balkans are invited by the Norwegian government to attend a summit in Oslo in an attempt to bering peace to the situation. They are informed that both Russia and Germany, the two major belligerents, will be attending and Norway hopes to forge a lasting peace in the region with the help of all involved. In no uncertain terms, it is put to the repective diplomatic contacts that this is seen in Norway as the last chance to stave off a wider war.

Oslo Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11695486#post11695486)
Rodenka
18-09-2006, 03:31
Rumania agrees to attend the conference
Amestria
18-09-2006, 04:44
July 19, 907

The French Government informs England that in the event of war with Japan France will formally cede its colonies of Indochina, New Caledonia, the French China concessions in Hainan, and all its Pacific Islands to the UK (with the understanding the UK will not give them to anyone else) rather then let them fall into the hands of an enemy power that would brutalize the French Colonial Population and is friendly to Germany.

France advises England to stand ready with ships and men to take possession of all these areas.
Middle Snu
18-09-2006, 04:50
July 19, 907

The French Government informs England that in the event of war with Japan France will formally cede its colonies of Indochina, New Caledonia, the French China concessions in Hainan, and all its Pacific Islands to the UK rather then let them fall into the hands of an enemy power that would brutalize the French Colonial Population and is friendly to Germany.

France advises England to stand ready with ships and men to take possession of all these areas.

OOC: I have no issue with the French promising to do this, but should it actually happen it would seem to violate the realism rule of this roleplay. I simply can't see the French giving their colonies away simply out of spite. Thoughts?
New Dornalia
18-09-2006, 04:58
OOC: I have no issue with the French promising to do this, but should it actually happen it would seem to violate the realism rule of this roleplay. I simply can't see the French giving their colonies away simply out of spite. Thoughts?

OOC: Seconded. One word of this to the French National Assembly and they'd be flipping out.
Cylea
18-09-2006, 04:59
OOC: I have no issue with the French promising to do this, but should it actually happen it would seem to violate the realism rule of this roleplay. I simply can't see the French giving their colonies away simply out of spite. Thoughts?

OOC: certainly not out of spite, which if I understand chatzy is the likely cause. However, there is no way to prove that this is not just a cold look at the equation in Paris, the realization that these territories cant be held, and the reaction to that realization. Maybe. France being this scared of Japan is a little weird though.
Amestria
18-09-2006, 05:03
OOC: Reasons:

1. Show Japan nothing will be gained from war because someone (more powerful) will get all the spoils for free (hopefully Japan will reconsider everything).

2. Deny them and their resources to the enemy (economics and a good deal of IC spite).

3. Protect French settlers from Oriental Tyranny.

4. Prevent them from being taken by an inferior power.
New Dornalia
18-09-2006, 05:06
OOC: Still, I would imagine France and Britain are still competitors at this time, and not the best of friends. Not that your people would like to be ruled by Japan, but they might not prefer Englishmen either in power.
Amestria
18-09-2006, 05:09
OOC: Still, I would imagine France and Britain are still competitors at this time, and not the best of friends. Not that your people would like to be ruled by Japan, but they might not prefer Englishmen either in power.

OOC: Who else is there who is neutral, willing to take them, and strong enough to keep them? Competition with England just dropped really far down the list of worries in Paris.
Artitsa
18-09-2006, 05:25
Italian forces are to begin mobilizing for defense of Italy. As it stands, two garrison units are to be moved (just created) to Ethiopia, while two Reserve Infantry Divisions take over in Djibouti, Italian Somolia, and Eritrea. The 5 Original Corp and HQ are to move upto Libya and dig in.

In Italy, Several Corps are moved to Northern Italy, stationed in the Alps. One Corp and a Marine Brigade is deployed to Corsica, while the Reserve Infantry Corp are stationed up and down the Italian Coast Line and just behind frontline corps in the Alps. One more Reserve Infantry Division will be stationed in Sicily.
Galveston Bay
18-09-2006, 06:13
July 19, 907

The French Government informs England that in the event of war with Japan France will formally cede its colonies of Indochina, New Caledonia, the French China concessions in Hainan, and all its Pacific Islands to the UK (with the understanding the UK will not give them to anyone else) rather then let them fall into the hands of an enemy power that would brutalize the French Colonial Population and is friendly to Germany.

France advises England to stand ready with ships and men to take possession of all these areas.

ooc
Amestria, I can see France selling its Pacific territories, but giving them away is unrealistic

after all, Napoleon sold the Louisiania purchase but didn't give it away and it was even more indefensible

I cannot see you selling Indochina though, as a lot of French business interests have a stake in it

plus the Siamese are invading right after you go to war with Germany
Amestria
18-09-2006, 06:17
July 19, 907

The French Government informs England that in the event of war with Japan France will formally cede its colonies New Caledonia and the French China concessions in Hainan (with the understanding the UK will not give them to anyone else) for a fair price rather then let them fall into the hands of an enemy power that would brutalize the French Colonial Population and is friendly to Germany.

France advises England to stand ready with ships and men to take possession of all these areas.
[NS]Parthini
18-09-2006, 06:17
The British Government leaps at the offer and is willing to take (or purchase) French Possessions. The Third Republic merely needs to name its price.
Amestria
18-09-2006, 06:23
Parthini;11696216']The British Government leaps at the offer and is willing to take (or purchase) French Possessions. The Third Republic merely needs to name its price.

France suggests 16 points for each spread over two years, 1 point for six years, and some old naval ships England has...(what do you have in that department).
[NS]Parthini
18-09-2006, 06:37
France suggests 16 points for each spread over two years, 1 point for six years, and some old naval ships England has...(what do you have in that department).

Britain agrees to the price (38 points total, am I correct?) and informs France that it has a whole slew of Tech Level 4 ships and a few Tech level 4.5 ships left.

(What kind of ships are you looking for?)
Amestria
18-09-2006, 06:39
Parthini;11696249']What kind of ships are you looking for?

ooc: What do you have? Can I have a list? I understand you are modernizing your navy and have some ships you want to get rid of... What better then them being used and destroyed fighting against a possible future rival.
Amestria
18-09-2006, 06:45
Parthini;11696249']Britain agrees to the price (38 points total, am I correct?) and informs France that it has a whole slew of Tech Level 4 ships and a few Tech level 4.5 ships left.

In addition to the above to start in 1908, France requests a lump sum of 6 points at the end of 1907 (given just one of those colonies will allow you to pay with no net the loss the total seems slightly low, and France needs money in 07).
Galveston Bay
18-09-2006, 07:08
Parthini;11696216']The British Government leaps at the offer and is willing to take (or purchase) French Possessions. The Third Republic merely needs to name its price.

British Foreign Office points out there is the matter of the Anglo Japanese Alliance, and that discussion with Japan would be in the best interests of the Empire.

ooc
in other news, will be starting a Great War Thread tomorrow
Amestria
18-09-2006, 08:14
blah blah, break alliance with Germany, declare neutrality, sign alliance with France, more later, school

OOC: The above is a placehold Italy posted on his thread because of the late hour and School. As its late here as well I will be brief, we both IC and OOC looked at the situation, decided it was as confusing, futile as hell for both our nations with no profit for either, and decided to get out. So Italy is leaving the Triple Alliance and France is dissolving the Entente, both are declaring neutrality, and both are signing an alliance of mutual defense to protect both their interests and further cooperation, it will be called the Mediterranean Alliance.

Consquently all sale of French Colonies is placed on hold and may be canceled, depending upon what happens.

So France will mobalize but will not declare war or attack Germany and Austria-Hungry (Italy will undoubtedly do the same). I and Italy will try to find time to send new deployment orders to GB tommarow to take into account the new situation (school), so please bare with us both.
Kilani
18-09-2006, 16:39
Several furious telegrams are sent to PAaris before reality sets in andthe Tsar calls an emergency meeting with his advisors.

After several hours of deliberation, the Tsar makes a public announcement:

Russia will withdraw totallly and completely from the Balkans and comply fully with the German ultimatum. As a show of good faith, all reservists are ordered to stand down and return to their homes. All Regular troops are ordered to their peace time stations. Mobilization will cease at once. All troops in Rumania are ordered withdrawn.

It is noted that Russia has now complied fully with the German demands and that it has ceased mobilization. It is reiteratedthat Russia has not declared war on anyone and has no wish for war.

The Tsar is overheard muttering to one of his advisors, "It is better to be humbled then destroyed."
Galveston Bay
18-09-2006, 16:53
just in case this desperate attempt for peace doesn't work out

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11697657&posted=1#post11697657
Rodenka
18-09-2006, 17:44
Rumania begins a general withdrawal from Bulgaria, following Russia in acceding to German and Austro-Hungarian demands. The Rumanian High Command begins prepartations for disbanding at least two corps of the reserve army and offers to pay reparations to the Bulgarian government of 2 points a year for 5 years.

Rumanian troops along the Austro-Hungarian border continue to dig in, in case this is not enough to appease the Germans and the Austrians.
[NS]Parthini
18-09-2006, 18:15
Britain informs France that denial of the rightfully agreed purchase of the French Possessions will not be acceptable and that a fleet is already headed towards New Caledonia to begin administration of the colony.
Galveston Bay
18-09-2006, 18:18
Parthini;11698094']Britain informs France that denial of the rightfully agreed purchase of the French Possessions will not be acceptable and that a fleet is already headed towards New Caledonia to begin administration of the colony.

Parliament isn't happy
Lesser Ribena
18-09-2006, 19:41
Sir Edward Grey, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, heavily advises the Prime Minister, Mr Bannerman, to order the fleet in question to return to standard duties. His advise lies on the fact that New Caledonia is a worthless penal colony (will be until 1920's in RL) with no value to the British Empire, unless one wants a few thousand French prisoners to look after (these weren't the usual deported political prisoners but those of all crimes). There are already British coaling stations in the area much more valuable to the fleet than New Caledonia. Finally it would be unwise to anger France when her immediate future hangs in the balance due to elections taking place.
[NS]Parthini
18-09-2006, 22:03
Several fast cruisers are sent from various colonies surrounding the French colony and with orders for the fleet to stand down.

The fleet arrives and upon hearing the word of the French refusal begins preparations for something drastic when the British Crusiers are seen, and the Fleet stands down, avoiding a potentially nasty event.
Galveston Bay
19-09-2006, 18:10
to get things moving again I am going to assume the following:

1. France spends the rest of 1907 in political disarray (Malkyer takes over in 1908)
2. Rumania and Greece pull out of Bulgaria, and along with Serbia remain in talks with Germany and Austria to comply with their demands.
3. Everyone demobilizes their reserves for now

1908 starts today
talks in Oslo continue
Galveston Bay
22-09-2006, 23:51
June 1908
Fed up with Greek stubbornness, Austrian forces in Albania launch a major attack against Greek forces in Albanian Macedonia, destroying a Greek corps and pushing another out of the area while suffering loss of a corps and heavy losses to another.

Greek losses 30,000, 1 infantry corps destroyed
Austrian losses 25,000, 1 infantry corps destroyed
Whittlesfield
22-09-2006, 23:56
Okay, I need to know where this attack was, and how much of my army is currently deployed in Albania, and where?
So was the attack in Northern Epirus, or Macedonia?
Hosagovinia
24-09-2006, 05:10
OOC: How many cuasalties has Albania lost, and have any COrps orBrigades been destroyed?
Galveston Bay
24-09-2006, 07:16
ooc
attack was in the entirety of Macedonia, and no Albanian troops were involved, just Austrian forces

The Greek Army has retreated back into its pre war national territory

IC
September - October 1908
3 German mountain divisions are transported by sea from Trieste to Albania, along with another corps of Austrian troops to replace losses.

More fighting occurs in the Adriatic as the Greek Navy attempts to interfere, costing the Greeks several destroyers and torpedo boat damaged (essentially both the torpedo boat and destroyer unit are out of action until next year at this point, and each will require 1 point to repair above maintenance costs)

The Austrians however don't get off without losses though, as the protected cruisers Aspern and Szigetvar are sunk. The Austrian fleet requests a torpedo boat flotilla and destroyer flotilla for next budget year
Galveston Bay
24-09-2006, 07:29
The Greek High Command, having suffered serious losses, and a worse defeat, begins pressuring its government to accept the peace terms
Whittlesfield
24-09-2006, 14:04
The Greek Gov't calls for an immediate ceasefire, and announces that Greece has dropped its claims to Albanian and Bulgarian Macedonia.
Safehaven2
24-09-2006, 16:32
The cease fire will only be accepted should Greece immediately accept the demands that have been asked of it for over a years time.


OOC: Reposted from other thread.

Greece:
1. Will pull out completely from both Bulgaria AND Albania
2. Will pay 1 point a year for 3 years to Bulgaria
3. Will pay 1 point a year for 3 years to Albania
4. Will pay 1 point to Austria sometime over the next 5 years(Whenever you want)
5. Will cut all alliance, agreements and treaties with Russia.
[NS]Parthini
24-09-2006, 17:08
Britain urges Greece to accept the terms, harsh though they may be, rejection of the terms will only cause more pain to the Greek people.
Whittlesfield
24-09-2006, 17:46
Greece refuses the German demands, citing that it will only broker peace with nations it is at war with.
Cylea
24-09-2006, 17:54
Greece refuses the German demands, citing that it will only broker peace with nations it is at war with.

OOC: somehow i get the feeling that wont be an issue concerning Germany very soon...
Haneastic
24-09-2006, 17:55
Greece refuses the German demands, citing that it will only broker peace with nations it is at war with.

you realize AH will follow Germany's leads and make the same demands?
Whittlesfield
24-09-2006, 18:37
Greece informs the world, that Greece has already agreed to set of demands from Germany, and now Germany has gone back on its word, on come forth with a new set of demands.
Greece also asks Britain, whether German hegemony over Europe is a goal of British Foreign Policy.
Abbassia
24-09-2006, 18:37
Bulgaria quietly suggests to their allies that harsher terms be made to the damage and anxiety the Greek position has caused by their stubborness.

OOC: To Austria since they lost a corp...
Safehaven2
24-09-2006, 18:56
Greece informs the world, that Greece has already agreed to set of demands from Germany, and now Germany has gone back on its word, on come forth with a new set of demands.
Greece also asks Britain, whether German hegemony over Europe is a goal of British Foreign Policy.

Germany points out those are the same set of demands placed upon Greece over a year ago.
Galveston Bay
24-09-2006, 19:05
Greece refuses the German demands, citing that it will only broker peace with nations it is at war with.

The Greek High Command points out to the Greek government that it know has information that German units are in Albania, and its entirely likely that Greece WILL be at war with Germany soon.

And that the British won't be able to get troops to Greece in time to safe it if the Germans, Austrians, Albanians and Bulgarians invade Greece.
Whittlesfield
24-09-2006, 19:22
The original agreement was for me to withdraw from Bulgaria, and I could do what I want with Albania. I then withdrew from Bulgaria, leaving me fighting only Austria and Albania. Greece will pay no reparations towards Austria or Bulgaria.
Hosagovinia
24-09-2006, 19:24
Albania has proposed new peace terms at the Olso confrence.
Hosagovinia
24-09-2006, 22:55
As Greece and Albania have agreed to peace, Albania urges the remaining party to develop terms of peace and withdraw from Albanian territory. We graceously thank the work of the Bulgarians, Austrians, and Germans to insure our soverginty. The people of Albania owe there freedom to your fine nations.
[NS]Parthini
25-09-2006, 01:24
Greece also asks Britain, whether German hegemony over Europe is a goal of British Foreign Policy.

Britain points out that British foreign Policy does not dictate getting entangled in wars over stubborn aggressor nations.
Hosagovinia
25-09-2006, 22:34
OOC: Has Greece withdrawn from Macedonia and Albanian territory? I figure the German, Austrian, and Bulgarian (Are there Bulgarian troops in Albania in the first place?) are still in Albania? If so, I ask them to withdraw as soon as possi le, as Greece and I have reached peace.
Galveston Bay
25-09-2006, 22:55
OOC: Has Greece withdrawn from Macedonia and Albanian territory? I figure the German, Austrian, and Bulgarian (Are there Bulgarian troops in Albania in the first place?) are still in Albania? If so, I ask them to withdraw as soon as possi le, as Greece and I have reached peace.

Germany has 1 HQ unit and 3 mountain divisions in Albania, while the Austrians have 2 infantry corps. No Bulgarian units are in Albania. The population for the most part is happy to see them, as they view the Greeks as invaders and are thankful that the Austrians drove the invaders out of Albania.

No Greek forces remain outside of Greece at this point.

A sizeable majority of the Albanian population is looking forward to a war to punish Greece for its effrontry (and to get loot.. a lot of Albania is still clan type structure, and loot has a place in that society).

More farsighted Albanians are worried that continued Greek stubbornness is going to result in the Austrians (backed by the Germans) effectively annexing Albania under the pretext of protecting it.
Whittlesfield
25-09-2006, 22:55
Greece's troops are all within its national boundaries. The troops in Bulgaria were not forced back, I must add.
Hosagovinia
25-09-2006, 23:19
OOC: GB, you know Greece and I signed a peace treaty correct?
Haneastic
25-09-2006, 23:25
OOC: GB, you know Greece and I signed a peace treaty correct?

but not Austria-Hungary and Germany, who are doing the fighting
Whittlesfield
25-09-2006, 23:26
Germany has not declared war on me.
Hosagovinia
25-09-2006, 23:46
but not Austria-Hungary and Germany, who are doing the fighting

He's right, its Bulgaria and Austria.
Whittlesfield
25-09-2006, 23:49
And Bulgaria has an informal ceasefire with me, as my troops withdrew from Bulgaria of my own accord (it was Germany's original only demand, that I withdrew from Bulgaria). So any attack by Bulgaria against me, would be ill-received by the international community.
Haneastic
25-09-2006, 23:52
And Bulgaria has an informal ceasefire with me, as my troops withdrew from Bulgaria of my own accord (it was Germany's original only demand, that I withdrew from Bulgaria). So any attack by Bulgaria against me, would be ill-received by the international community.

except you were the agressor, an informal ceasefire can be broken quite easily, and Germany added new demands and is probably about to go to war if you don't comply
Hosagovinia
26-09-2006, 00:27
except you were the agressor, an informal ceasefire can be broken quite easily, and Germany added new demands and is probably about to go to war if you don't comply

OOC: But Albania wont let these attacks be launched from her land. Just an FYI.
Haneastic
26-09-2006, 00:28
OOC: But Albania wont let these attacks be launched from her land. Just an FYI.

no offence, but when have Austria-Hungary and germany cared about what Albania thinks? They'll just march on through your territories and if you resist then there's a very good chance you'll be annexed
Kordo
26-09-2006, 00:38
OOC: But Albania wont let these attacks be launched from her land. Just an FYI.

Albania is quietly informed that if Greece does not submit to German's demands then the war will be quickly moved to Greek territory and Albania shall no longer have to deal with the problem.

Austria-Hungary also urges Germany to enter the war officially.
Safehaven2
26-09-2006, 00:42
OOC: To make it official

IC: Seeing Greece's continued stubborness Germany anounces it will get involved on the side of Bulgaria and Austria and see to it that this war is ended.

OOC: Albania, I don't care if you want us using your land or not as a springboard, cause I am going to.
Galveston Bay
26-09-2006, 00:49
OOC: GB, you know Greece and I signed a peace treaty correct?

ooc
that is completely irrelevent to the situation as it stands. As it stands, the strongest army in Europe has 3 divisions and 1 HQ in Albania, and can easily reinforce. Austria has 2 corps in Albania as well. Between them, they equal in power the Albanian Army, and the Austrian navy can easily determine whether Albania gets imports any longer. Albania has no arms manufacturing capability, and if forced to fight, will be crushed.

So what Albania wants the Germans and Austrians only have to listen to if they choose.

Greece has suffered serious losses, and also has no arms manufacturing capability. Should the Germans choose, they could indeed send a fleet to the Med and cut Greece off from the world, and based on British statements, it appears unlikely the British will interfere. Its very likely the Turks would provide the Germans with a port to use to refuel at as well, or at least an anchorage. Germany also has an amphibious capability of sorts, and Greece as a lot of undefended islands that can be seized and converted into bases.

Your military is fully aware of this, and also aware that although the Greek Army has a defensive advantage at the moment, the Germans and Austrians could swamp Greece with numbers and still retain sufficient forces to deal with the Russians, Serbs and Rumanians, especially as Bulgaria is likely to assist if needed.

In short, strategically the only thing Greece has to bargain with it the fact that crushing Greece is going to be expensive. But not prohibitively expensive.

While Germany and Austria crushing Greece would give them some interesting options long term in the Med and the Turks wouldn't cry one bit of the conquest of Greece and might even decide that giving the Greeks territory a couple of years ago was a decision that needs to be revisited.

IC wise, this is what your advisors are telling you. OOC, the players might decide this a wonderful idea, and they are fully aware of the situation and its options.
Ottoman Khaif
26-09-2006, 01:52
SICly

After much debating in the Ottoman Parliament, the Ottoman Government agrees to open up the Port of Smyrna to German and Austrian ships.
Artitsa
26-09-2006, 02:21
Italy looks on in interest and concern, again declaring its neutrality. However, Germany is quietly told that they may make use of Italian Waters to get to Albania and Greece.
[NS]Parthini
26-09-2006, 03:07
OOC: Hmm...

IC: Britain STRONGLY advises Greece to give in to German demands, pointing out that some compensation will pale in comparison to what Greece would have to pay with its stubbornness.

Britain also reminds all present that it will remain neutral in the situation.
Hosagovinia
26-09-2006, 03:10
Statement from the President

As Albania has made peace with Greece, no nation may use Albania as a spring board to launch attacks into Greece. You are asked to withdraw at once, and allow Albania to return to it's peaceful state.

Secret Letter to the Germans and Austrians

Dear Sirs,

Germany and Austria-Hungary may use Albania to launch attacks into Greece. The public statement was simply to please thouse darn Greeks. You must promise however, that if you are to use Albania to launch attacks, you must not allow the war to spill back over into Albania. Our people are tired of war in our young state. I wish you good luck and god speed gentlemen.
Malkyer
26-09-2006, 03:11
France issues a statement of neutrality, and urges Greece to stand down as well, in the interests of peace in the region (mainly for appearances, as no one expects Greece to listen).
Galveston Bay
27-09-2006, 07:19
November 1908 - February 1909
Winter sets in, with heavy rains and mud that prevents further offensive action against Greece. Skirmishes continue, but at a low level, while more German troops arrive in Albania.

Bulgaria shifts the bulk of its army to the Greek border.

With peace talks between Greece and the nations of Germany, Austria and Bulgaria bogged down, a renewal of the fighting seems likely come spring.

Meanwhile, a sizeable German fleet loads troops in Hamburg and steams to the Mediterranean, stopping to coal at Morocco and then again Tripoli before reaching the Turkish port of Smyrnia without being spotted by the Greek Navy

However, news of its arrival reaches Greece as the heavily Greek population of that portion of Turkey reports the situation.

ooc
spotting a fleet isnt automatic, especially without aerial search and radar
Whittlesfield
27-09-2006, 12:32
Hold until when I get back from work tonight please, I will resolve this conflict.
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 20:06
(WHere are they coaling in Morroco? Most of the Northern Coastal Coaling stations in Morroco are Spanish, and I haven't given permission to coal on my territory for military operations. And I don't believe Rio Muni has a coaling station. THat's the only Morrocan enclave I gave Germany. Just checking and all. And Rabat is too far South to be of any use.)
Galveston Bay
27-09-2006, 20:50
(WHere are they coaling in Morroco? Most of the Northern Coastal Coaling stations in Morroco are Spanish, and I haven't given permission to coal on my territory for military operations. And I don't believe Rio Muni has a coaling station. THat's the only Morrocan enclave I gave Germany. Just checking and all. And Rabat is too far South to be of any use.)

ooc
Rabat and Rio Muni will work as he brought colliers with him, and its one of the reasons it takes nearly 4 months to move his fleet from Germany to Turkey (otherwise it would take considerably less time). All he has to have is an anchorage for this purpose.
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 21:32
(AHHHH ok I knew there were ways he could do it, I was just curious how. Alright that works. And do colliers come with the ships, or do you have to buy them extra?)
Whittlesfield
27-09-2006, 22:20
Inside Athens, a series of important events were unfolding. King George I was addressing a large crowd in central Athens:
"My fellow Greeks, it is my duty as Head of State, and King of the Hellenes, to tell you that as of this morning, the current Government has been dissolved. Poor decisions have cost us dear, and the decision to enter us in this war was not made by myself, but by the Government, and they must pay. Why did I not make this announcement sooner, that I had no say in this decision? For I did not want to endanger the safety of the Greek soldiers, by endoctoring them with a defeatist attitude, for then it was too late to pull back. But now, with Germany at our doorstep, and no allies to protect us, I, with the support of the Army and Navy, have brought and end to all of this. We are to give in to German demands, however unjust they maybe, for that is the only way to preserve the Hellenic way of life. The coming years will be tough for Greece, but we will survive, and we will go on.
In January, there will be elections for a new Government, and I ask you, my people, to choose wisely. In the meantime, former Prime Minister Alexandros Zaimos and my son, Prince Andrew, will be entering in talks to end this war as soon as possible. I will bring peace to this nation!"

The crowd, who had initially been stunned into silence, burst into applause, for they did not want to suffer from war, which would enevitably end up in Athens somehow.

A telegram is sent to the Kaiser:
The Greek Government has been dissolved. All German demands are to be met. Let us end this madness.
George of the Hellenes
Safehaven2
27-09-2006, 23:24
OOC: I also control Tangiers. I'll respond to Greece later.
Galveston Bay
27-09-2006, 23:46
(AHHHH ok I knew there were ways he could do it, I was just curious how. Alright that works. And do colliers come with the ships, or do you have to buy them extra?)

ooc
colliers come only by sacrificing shipping units or transport units for a specific length of time (variable). Any minor port or anchorage can be used (major ports and bases are assumed to have coal and oil on hand to fuel naval units indicated in the rules, Germany didn't have access to either in its transfer from the North Sea to the Aegean Sea).

Dedicated fleet logistics units show up around tech level 5.5, after some research
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 23:47
(OOC: Thanks. I gather I can build a Naval Yard on the Baeleric Islands. They are a natural port after all. After that, I am out of here as it seems to be winding down.)_
Safehaven2
29-09-2006, 01:22
Germany is gladened by the fact that Greece has finally come to its senses. Germany will soon begin withdrawing its forces barring any objections from Bulgaria, Austria or Albania.
Bazalonia
29-09-2006, 06:33
Inside Athens, a series of important events were unfolding. King George I was addressing a large crowd in central Athens:
"My fellow Greeks, it is my duty as Head of State, and King of the Hellenes, to tell you that as of this morning, the current Government has been dissolved. Poor decisions have cost us dear, and the decision to enter us in this war was not made by myself, but by the Government, and they must pay. Why did I not make this announcement sooner, that I had no say in this decision? For I did not want to endanger the safety of the Greek soldiers, by endoctoring them with a defeatist attitude, for then it was too late to pull back. But now, with Germany at our doorstep, and no allies to protect us, I, with the support of the Army and Navy, have brought and end to all of this. We are to give in to German demands, however unjust they maybe, for that is the only way to preserve the Hellenic way of life. The coming years will be tough for Greece, but we will survive, and we will go on.
In January, there will be elections for a new Government, and I ask you, my people, to choose wisely. In the meantime, former Prime Minister Alexandros Zaimos and my son, Prince Andrew, will be entering in talks to end this war as soon as possible. I will bring peace to this nation!"

The crowd, who had initially been stunned into silence, burst into applause, for they did not want to suffer from war, which would enevitably end up in Athens somehow.

A telegram is sent to the Kaiser:
The Greek Government has been dissolved. All German demands are to be met. Let us end this madness.
George of the Hellenes

The Danish Government expresses relief over the Greek acceptance of the peace proposal and that peace has once again returned to Europe.

SIC: King Frederick VIII Contacts his brother(The King of Greece) and expresses his appreciation of the effort to resolve the situation to satisfaction.
Abbassia
30-09-2006, 08:47
The Bulgarian Government welcomes this move for Greece to finally accept their guilt, however the Armed Forces remain suspicious and will remain mobilised along the Greek Border untill Greece is in Full Compliance with all peace treaties (including the Albanian Treaty which states "3.) Greece shall not increase the size of it's standing army to more then 100,000 men").
Samtonia
30-09-2006, 21:01
King Haakon VII commends the Greeks on their finally accepting the path of peace and sends his hopes and the hopes of Norway and her government for a just and lasting peace in the Balkans. Haakon suggests that, once it has been ascertained that all of Greece's actions are being undertaken, the final meeting of the Oslo Conference be held.
Kordo
30-09-2006, 21:17
The Austro-Hungarian Empire, while disappointed that Greece delayed peace for so long, is gladdened to Greece has finally accepted peace. Austria will immediately stop all plans to expand the military forces it maintains in Albania and will move its forces already in Albania to the ports to be transported out of Albania in no more than six months time so that Greece does not change its mind.