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I remember that at one time there were general rules regarding the military of your nation, and I know that you can't have more than say 5% of your populace in the military without affecting your economy, but what is a general rule to find the number of combatants in a given force? I seem to remember reading once that the number of combatants was equal to about 1% of whatever the population of a given nation was, but I guess I just want more detail.


So, in summary,

- About how much of a given force is logistics personnell as opposed to combat personnel,
- and about how much of a given nation is combatants?

These are roleplay questions, not Gameplay questions.

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So, in summary,

- About how much of a given force is logistics personnell as opposed to combat personnel,
- and about how much of a given nation is combatants?

Simply:

- If it's the army, about 50% is logisitcs, the navy and air force more like 75-80%
- Realistically, anywhere up to about 2%, depending how militaristic your nation is. Values any higher require some definite RP reasons as to why a nation could sustain that much. The USSR had 2.5%, for instance, and look what it did to them.

Disclaimer: This is what I and most of my region considers as acceptable guideline, there will doubtless be many more and varied answers than this. You can also go hunting in the stickies.

10 to 1 ratio combat troops for sustained operations (on paper at least).

You could however use non-military personel for this, or simply trade off endurance for 'feet on the ground'.

In summary, RP whether or not you are bothering to repair/refuel/rearm/feed your equipment, and the resaults of that action.

And keep in mind how much fuel a tank would use up in combat, and the amount of food a soldier eats. Round ammo consumption up to the nearest caseload/truckload.

If you don't check up and maintain (or can't due to lack of spare parts) your planes, expect them to crash after 1 to 10 sorties.

I have a population/military ratio between 00.6% and 00.4% duriing peacetime. And up to 04.6% during a massive winner take all war.

And BTW: Korea has the highest population to military ratio, not Russia.

The USSR collapsed because of a revolt from citizens who wanted a reform in government.

The USSR collapsed because of a revolt from citizens who wanted a reform in government.

The USSR collapsed because they ran out of money.

Cause they were very isolationist and people knew it was doing their country bad.

Yea that's right but why did the population revolt? Because the government used to much money on there military and to little on the citizens

And way to much on the government officials that's for sure.

Cause they were very isolationist and people knew it was doing their country bad.

Er... they ran out of money because they kept pumping it into Afghanistan.

This is why the best way to insure a communist paridse world is to go back in time and make sure the Germans dig up the Stargate along with the DHD.

Er... they ran out of money because they kept pumping it into Afghanistan.

This is why the best way to insure a communist paridse world is to go back in time and make sure the Germans dig up the Stargate along with the DHD.

OOC: That is funny and you are my new best friend.

OOC: That is funny and you are my new best friend.

No, no, it actually makes sense. I mean, what are the two main reasons the Soviet Union collapsed? Lack of money, and pouring so much into Afghanistan. If we give the Russians a Stargate and DHD, odds are they'd get it running much quicker then the US did without a DHD. So off they go to another world. They come to a Jaffa world, appraise the situation, and start supporting Jaffa revolutions. Eventually, with Comrade Teal'c and Comrade Braytec in charge, the main threat is eliminated. As they go, they also loot Ga'uld treasures. The result being, they have the money, they have an entire galaxy (more once they figure out how to dial Atlantis and whatnot) they have advanced weaponry to use in the fight against the Capitalists, but they're probably less worried about earth and more focusing on expanding elsewhere. What's more, with the ensuing resources and technology from the fall of the Gau'ld, they can provide for all, and even give money to other communist nations to do the same.

They can even make sure the money actually gets to the people, by insisting with their Zats and staff blasters that there is no corruption. With the money the Soviet Union gives away, being communist, or at least socialist, seems a lot more appealing.

Of course, there may be some trouble if the USA makes a deal with Anubis, but I'm sure that it will all work out.

No, no, it actually makes sense. I mean, what are the two main reasons the Soviet Union collapsed? Lack of money, and pouring so much into Afghanistan. If we give the Russians a Stargate and DHD, odds are they'd get it running much quicker then the US did without a DHD. So off they go to another world. They come to a Jaffa world, appraise the situation, and start supporting Jaffa revolutions. Eventually, with Comrade Teal'c and Comrade Braytec in charge, the main threat is eliminated. As they go, they also loot Ga'uld treasures. The result being, they have the money, they have an entire galaxy (more once they figure out how to dial Atlantis and whatnot) they have advanced weaponry to use in the fight against the Capitalists, but they're probably less worried about earth and more focusing on expanding elsewhere. What's more, with the ensuing resources and technology from the fall of the Gau'ld, they can provide for all, and even give money to other communist nations to do the same.

They can even make sure the money actually gets to the people, by insisting with their Zats and staff blasters that there is no corruption. With the money the Soviet Union gives away, being communist, or at least socialist, seems a lot more appealing.

Of course, there may be some trouble if the USA makes a deal with Anubis, but I'm sure that it will all work out.

OOC: That is really funny, but what about the Ori? Can the USSR defeat them.

Oh and not to plug my own stuff...well actually that is what I am doing so why dont you check out my thread since no one else it:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498985

Thanks!

::Jaw hits floor and stays there::

::Jaw hits floor and stays there::

OOC: Lol...you got to admit that was fairly funny.

Hey wanna check out my thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498985

...nudge...nudge...wink wink

So much for the healthy, serious discussion ;) *laughing*

So much for the healthy, serious discussion ;) *laughing*

OOC: Well, you gotta learn to have a little bit of fun in this fake world we call home. Besides I havent laughed like that is a while.

Oh and I dont know if you've noticed but Ive been pitching my thread so if you wanna check it out and post...I dont know...here it is...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498985

OOC: That is really funny, but what the Ori? Can the USSR defeat them.

Oh and not to plug my own stuff...well actually that is what I am doing so why dont you check out my thread since no one else it:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498985

Thanks!

Not on their own, certainly, although the Jaffa would be trained revolutionaries, I'm sure. However, I don't forsee the Ori being a problem, as their invasion mainly came about by that communications device, which was discovered on British soil. While Brits were willing to allow the US to investigate for technology, I'm sure they'd be less accomodating for the USSR, hence, the problem probably wouldn't arise. I have worked out a theory, however, whereby Daniel Jackson and Rodney both end up working with the Russians.

Not on their own, certainly, although the Jaffa would be trained revolutionaries, I'm sure. However, I don't forsee the Ori being a problem, as their invasion mainly came about by that communications device, which was discovered on British soil. While Brits were willing to allow the US to investigate for technology, I'm sure they'd be less accomodating for the USSR, hence, the problem probably wouldn't arise. I have worked out a theory, however, whereby Daniel Jackson and Rodney both end up working with the Russians.

OOC: Rodney maybe but never Daniel. Someone is going to end up using that device. And what of O'Neil?

And what about that thread I post...wink wink...sry if im being annoyiing its just no one is posting on it.

Since the Russians arrive during the mid summer festival all the Ori citizens are to tired from there partying, and USSR can easily occupy the planet.

Since the Russians arrive during the mid summer festival all the Ori citizens are to tired from there partying, and USSR can easily occupy the planet.

Excuse...the Ori would never be too tired to carry on a crusade that eerily symbolizes something the Catholics once did...tsk tsk...

OOC: Rodney maybe but never Daniel. Someone is going to end up using that device. And what of O'Neil?

And what about that thread I post...wink wink...sry if im being annoyiing its just no one is posting on it.

OOC: Writing up a post now. Rodney is Canadian. They're already semi-socialist, in a situation as I've described, it's not inconcievable that they'd lend valuable resources such as Rodney to the USSRians.

As for Daniel, I've got him down as alone and penniless after his riddiculous theories get him laughed out of the academic world. So he's approached by the Soviets who tell him his theories are true, and offer him the chance to work as an archeologist/translator for some languages older than the race of man. That's the kind of offer a scientist like Daniel couldn't refuse.

O'Neil I've got as near suicidal, and being sent on a suicide mission to infiltrate Russian Stargate Command. The Soviets capture him, after he sees the Stargate, and drag him around, pointing out how well the Jaffa are doing now. They then release him in exchange for Comrade Teal'c who is being held in Guantanamo Bay, after an operation in Seattle goes sour. That's how the US finds out about the Stargate.

Carter's working in Area 51, trying to catch up to the USSR technologically.

Hammond still commands Cheyyene Mountain, and it has become the major US nuclear strategic launch site.

Weir is a first sting diplomat, negotiating crises with the USSR.

Mitchel doesn't exist. If you've seen the two hundredth episode, you know why.

Sheppard's probably special operations.

Czeckloslovakia is still part of the USSR, which accounts for Zalinka.

Who does that leave?