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Righto. This'd be the OOC thread. All OOC stuff goes here as to not cluttered up the RP. And uh, yeah... I think we all know the drill.

Here's the points originally brought up in the other thread.



Without any specific accusations, this comes down to 'GASN is evil. Because I said so!'
Second, the GASN is currently undergoing a major restructuring, and is not undertaking any official operations
Third, Skinny87, announcing that something took millions of manhours doesn't mean much if you start out by RPing it as already over and done with.
Fourth, have you considered the probably lifespan of an alliance dedicated to destroying another alliance? If you suceed, your alliance is suddenly pointless.


So to sum up, if you really want to do this, can you at least wait until GASN is in a condition to RP it well?

Excellent. As to the satellite situation, everyone knows where everyone else's sats are in orbit of the planet. Hell, I'd be surprised if someone said they didn't know where mine are; it's the sort of thing intel agencies do almost as routine.

OOC: Tag, and I'm gonna wait for Cravan before I start ranting and raving.

OOC: Tag, and I'm gonna wait for Cravan before I start ranting and raving.

What he said.

Tag.

And Aeson: APOC isn't just dedicated to destroying GASN. It's dedicated to the creation of a new world order in which it rules supreme, basically speaking. If that means destroying GASN, so be it.

Okay, space-dyships linkage here:

Wellington-Class: http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=117

Centurion-Class:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=139

Saertech-Class:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=126

All ships are MT.

Also, I'll be gone from Tuesday for two weeks, FYI.

Yeah, the ships are probably MT or PMT. HT2 FT is Starwars lasers hyperspace etc stuff. We already have such missiles that can bring down satellites.

Since today is move in day, I'm helping my g/f load everything out of her car into the room. that and i've had about 2 and half hours of sleep. Generia will be (temporarily) RPing my troop movements.

Meh, tagged, with interest. Hopefully I can get on MSN soon and discuss it or something.

I don't want to read Skinny's wall of text. Summary plz?

And until Cravan says anything, this doesn't really mean anything to me. The GASN really isn't doing anything right now..

Without any specific accusations, this comes down to 'GASN is evil. Because I said so!'

Yeah, that's really just a bit of overblown propaganda. The legitimate IC reason for our going after you more or less amounts to the fact that you're a large alliance with some powerful and respectable nations, and chances are you'd stand in the way of our little Coalition. Like Czardas mentioned, while I say in my opening post that the coalition was formed to destroy GASN, it's real purpose lies more or less in taking its place as a dominant power on the world stage. I didn't mean any OOC offense with my remarks, and I assume they'll be taken as they are. Everyone paints their enemies as evil, power-hungry psychopaths these days. It's sort of standard operating procedure.

Anyway, with regard to your other point, the fact that you all need some time to get your act together, the reason myself and the other nations who got together to plot this out decided to hit you now is because you're in a transition period. It's logical to strike at your enemy when their back is turned, and so we're aiming to do so. If you all need some time OOC to get straight with things, we understand, and there's no problem.

Tag.

And Aeson: APOC isn't just dedicated to destroying GASN. It's dedicated to the creation of a new world order in which it rules supreme, basically speaking. If that means destroying GASN, so be it.

Ah, I got thrown off by the As such is the case, this alliance cannot be allowed to exist, and as such, many nations dedicated to stopping the GASN cancer have banded together under one banner: the banner of the Coalition for the Preservation of Civilization.

I've also been asked to inform you that Carbandia is going to on a trip and as such will not be able to take place in this RP.

My "Wall of text"? Rather rude you know I worked quite hard on that.

Anyway, I've targeted every GASN satellite we could find and basically fired enough munitions at them to turn them into swiss cheese and knock them down

My "Wall of text"? Rather rude you know I worked quite hard on that.

Anyway, I've targeted every GASN satellite we could find and basically fired enough munitions at them to turn them into swiss cheese and knock them down

When you say every GASN satellite, are you referring to satellites of individual nations or GASN-only satellites?

When you say every GASN satellite, are you referring to satellites of individual nations or GASN-only satellites?

GASN-Only. Any satellite traced back to a GASN nation has been targeted.

Yeah, that's really just a bit of overblown propaganda. The legitimate IC reason for our going after you more or less amounts to the fact that you're a large alliance with some powerful and respectable nations, and chances are you'd stand in the way of our little Coalition. Like Czardas mentioned, while I say in my opening post that the coalition was formed to destroy GASN, it's real purpose lies more or less in taking its place as a dominant power on the world stage. I didn't mean any OOC offense with my remarks, and I assume they'll be taken as they are. Everyone paints their enemies as evil, power-hungry psychopaths these days. It's sort of standard operating procedure.

Anyway, with regard to your other point, the fact that you all need some time to get your act together, the reason myself and the other nations who got together to plot this out decided to hit you now is because you're in a transition period. It's logical to strike at your enemy when their back is turned, and so we're aiming to do so. If you all need some time OOC to get straight with things, we understand, and there's no problem.

Well, really you need to talk to Cravan, but yeah, at the moment we're evicting inactive members, redoing the charter, etc, on the OOC forum. So it would probably be in everyone's best interests to put this off for a while, as well as make for a more enjoyable RP. Otherwise, Skinny's just wasted a whole bunch of missiles annihilating musty old inactive member's space junk.

Open or closed?

If its open, SF has some IC reasons to get involved ('Passing of a Monarch', 'Questers issues Commonwealth Call to Arms').

My "Wall of text"? Rather rude you know I worked quite hard on that.

Anyway, I've targeted every GASN satellite we could find and basically fired enough munitions at them to turn them into swiss cheese and knock them down

Didn't mean to be rude, but it is really big and I don't feel like reading. XD

Open or closed?

If its open, SF has some IC reasons to get involved ('Passing of a Monarch', 'Questers issues Commonwealth Call to Arms').

No, you bloody well do not. Neither of those were GASN actions.

GASN-Only. Any satellite traced back to a GASN nation has been targeted.

So you're targeting cable, scientific, weather, military, civilian, etc?

If any of you guys have IRC programs, you can reach us at #NS_invasion on Espernet so we can discuss the war or whatever in real time. Hopefully this will help.

So you're targeting cable, scientific, weather, military, civilian, etc?

Er... not cable, as cable, by definition, goes through cables... Direct TV though probably.

Just for reference, could I get a list of who's in this new Coalition?

No, you bloody well do not. Neither of those were GASN actions.
Well I am tangling with members of the GASN so I have a bone to pick with them. Just because it wasn't a 'GASN' action doesn't mean I don't have a reason to tangle with members of the GASN over it. Either way, ICly its still assumed to be an official GASN action as Cravan has spoken up ICly saying it wasn't.

Open or closed?

So you're targeting cable, scientific, weather, military, civilian, etc?

The latter. Anything to make it harder for GASN, military or civilian.

Well I am tangling with members of the GASN so I have a bone to pick with them. Just because it wasn't a 'GASN' action doesn't mean I don't have a reason to tangle with members of the GASN over it. Either way, ICly its still assumed to be an official GASN action as Cravan has spoken up ICly saying it wasn't.

Open or closed?

Okay... so any thing done by any member of an alliance automatically involves all members of that alliance?

Everyone who mobilised in the "Generia Begins Military Mobilisation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498224)" thread (GE, Borman Empire, Freudi, Warmaster, Whyatica, Aralonia, SU, TSS, Prae, Mer, Tyrandis, Velk, Izistan) plus a few others (Doom, Questers, Tocrowkia, possibly MP).

The latter. Anything to make it harder for GASN, military or civilian.

So, if I have a Jaredcohenian Spy Satellite and some kind of orbital array gun (playing too much video games >_>).

Those would be targetted?

So, if I have a Jaredcohenian Spy Satellite and some kind of orbital array gun (playing too much video games >_>).

Those would be targetted?

Primary targets. See the end of the post - I target anything that resembles a weapons array.

Oh, and myself of course XD.

(Stupid jolt, I can't load the edit post function.)

I do have to say that hitting us out of the blue like this is pretty low... I don't suppose any of you are familiar with the theory of discussing things like these OOC with the affected parties before hand?

I do have to say that hitting us out of the blue like this is pretty low... I don't suppose any of you are familiar with the theory of discussing things like these OOC with the affected parties before hand?

It's how the world works. I imagine you at least sort of saw it coming. I'm a tentative member of that particular camp of NS philosophy that prefers to keep things unplanned. Sometimes it gets frustrating, but we make due.

It's how the world works. I imagine you at least sort of saw it coming.

Agreed. The mobilisation, the fracas over Saint Fedeski...the signs were there...

I do have to say that hitting us out of the blue like this is pretty low... I don't suppose any of you are familiar with the theory of discussing things like these OOC with the affected parties before hand?

Actually, several people knew beforehand. Cravan, Illior, Aequatio, likely Northford, Shazbotdom... It wasn't a complete surprise to the GASN. And it's not entirely our fault if they decided not to tell the rest of the alliance about our little surprirse.

The Satellite Situation.

1. I have a large military, MT, spaceforce that is more than able to take out the number of satellites I targeted.

2. By tracing back signal bounces from each satellite, fidning out who owns each satellite would not be difficult, if man-power intensive. Given that this has been in the planning a while, and there have been fracas with GASN before hand (Saint Fedski), this is hardly an unlikely situation.

3. I would accept this perfectly if it were reversed; I do not doubt you know where all my satellites and starcraft are - should you be looking for them. Even if not, this is something even RL Intel Agencies do as a matter of routine.

The Satellite Situation.

1. I have a large military, MT, spaceforce that is more than able to take out the number of satellites I targeted.

2. By tracing back signal bounces from each satellite, fidning out who owns each satellite would not be difficult, if man-power intensive. Given that this has been in the planning a while, and there have been fracas with GASN before hand (Saint Fedski), this is hardly an unlikely situation.

3. I would accept this perfectly if it were reversed; I do not doubt you know where all my satellites and starcraft are - should you be looking for them. Even if not, this is something even RL Intel Agencies do as a matter of routine.

And if said satellites do not transmit or receive signals (and a number of them were launched using third party rockets), I assume that they're completely untouched?

Plus amatuer astronomers can track satelites from thier backyard (there is at least one online group devoted to tracking military survelliance stuff in orbit). Oh, and you can see them in IR. Um...If I remember anything more I'll stick it here.

And if said satellites do not transmit or receive signals (and a number of them were launched using third party rockets), I assume that they're completely untouched?

I don't believe satellites can do that; otherwise they're less satellites and more floating paperweights. The point to a sat with no signal would also come into consideration.

As to third-party launches, they'll be targeted should they ever power up by the orbiting battlegroup, and eliminated once the power-up begins.

It's how the world works. I imagine you at least sort of saw it coming. I'm a tentative member of that particular camp of NS philosophy that prefers to keep things unplanned. Sometimes it gets frustrating, but we make due.

I'm not. And, as much as I hate to say this, because it's the first time I've ignored someone who wasn't a couple posts tall n00b, until I recieve a good reason, I'm ignoring the IC thread.

Actually, several people knew beforehand. Cravan, Illior, Aequatio, likely Northford, Shazbotdom... It wasn't a complete surprise to the GASN. And it's not entirely our fault if they decided not to tell the rest of the alliance about our little surprirse.

On the other hand it is your problem. Has it occured to you that members of the GASN might not at this point be able to RP this? Carbandia I've already mentioned, Illior, who you've claimed knew about this beforehand, has raised similar concerns, and I'm going to be starting school soon myself.

Wow....how utterly retarted. I'm thinking ignore on this one. You can't just invade somone for no reason, plus isn't it general rule that you have to inform those you are attempting a RP with ahead of time?

On the other hand it is your problem. Has it occured to you that members of the GASN might not at this point be able to RP this? Carbandia I've already mentioned, Illior, who you've claimed knew about this beforehand, has raised similar concerns, and I'm going to be starting school soon myself.


Similiarly, I'm starting school in a few days as well.

And if said satellites do not transmit or receive signals (and a number of them were launched using third party rockets), I assume that they're completely untouched?

Then these satellites are just big chunk of metal wasting space in space. If they don’t transmit or receive signals, what are they then?

I see all this coming together from the sidelines. I would have joined up but I’m going to butt heads with Kraven at Old Jagada. I’m really trying to take out the evil things of the NS world.

Wow....how utterly retarted. I'm thinking ignore on this one. You can't just invade somone for no reason

Yup, you can and I have done before.


plus isn't it general rule that you have to inform those you are attempting a RP with ahead of time?

At times. GASN had plenty of warning this was coming if they'd thought about it.

Meh. We tried to show you a good time. If you don't dig, then it's your business. I won't hold it against you.

*Watches the egg-throwing*

Too lazy to join but meh I'll get a post up as my time is short and I'm working on the house so I'm a bit busy today and tomorrow (school starts Tuesday but it aint going to be that busy).

Plus isn't it general rule that you have to inform those you are attempting a RP with ahead of time?

Nope, not a general rule of the board. It is just some people like to happen. But some of the time, it does not happen.

No...I mean, skinny, I haven't heard of you until this exact moment in time so how am I warned about somone I didn't even know existed? Not that I would have cared anyway.

I'm thinking ignore on this one. You can't just invade somone for no reason,

Um... yes you can?

No...I mean, skinny, I haven't heard of you until this exact moment in time so how am I warned about somone I didn't even know existed? Not that I would have cared anyway.

You are in GASN. Several GASN members knew about this, or could easily have put the pieces together. And I am but part of the Coalition against you.

@Transylvania

Yeah, and then you get an ignore.

Excellent. As to the satellite situation, everyone knows where everyone else's sats are in orbit of the planet. Hell, I'd be surprised if someone said they didn't know where mine are; it's the sort of thing intel agencies do almost as routine.


I find it hard to believe that with the millions of satellites in orbit that even the best intel agencies can just automatically know which satellites belong to who. Despite the large sums I spend on my intel agencies, I've never heard of the GASN before this incident with the Commonwealth and therefor I would automatically assume that it would take effort to find their satellites.

Further, assuming the damages of equipment belonging to other nations is a form of godmodeing; given your previously demonstrated skill with RPing I would have expected better than that from you.

You know what, I'm not just going to ignore this. Until further notice, I am withdrawing The Holy Confederacy of The Aeson from any and all roleplaying taking part on either II or NS. I'll still be about, and offering OOC opinions, but The Aeson will no longer be posting IC.

I'd have to agree about the ignore...this is so utterly pointless.

Back in the old days of '03 and '04 there wasn't much OOC warning at all. Folks just declared war and got it on. But I suppose this sort of thing just can't happen anymore. Which is kinda sad, cause I had hope for this RP. Guess it won't work out now. -_-;

Wow....how utterly retarted. I'm thinking ignore on this one. You can't just invade somone for no reason, plus isn't it general rule that you have to inform those you are attempting a RP with ahead of time?

Yes you can. This is freeform RP, the only rules involved in such are usually to limit what a player may do with a counter-parts things and any other previously established limitation.

I find it hard to believe that with the millions of satellites in orbit that even the best intel agencies can just automatically know which satellites belong to who. Despite the large sums I spend on my intel agencies, I've never heard of the GASN before this incident with the Commonwealth and therefor I would automatically assume that it would take effort to find their satellites.

Further, assuming the damages of equipment belonging to other nations is a form of godmodeing; given your previously demonstrated skill with RPing I would have expected better than that from you.

Asuming damage? Where in my post did I even hint at assuming damage, SS? If GASN wanted to say I hit none of them and had a good reason, then fair enough. Please don't go all 'Holier Than Thou' on me.

I've known about this for a while, but really I'm just sickened it's come to this. I mean seriously, I've requested time and again that people just leave the GASN alone while I kick out the n00bs and make it a respectable alliance again. Wasn't there something called RP etiquitte on NS? :rolleyes: I don't care how realistically you want to RP, OOC etiquitte always takes dominance over what you do IC. I'm sorry, GE, but I'm not a part of your little club. I've always felt NS and RP in general is for gentlemen and gentlewomen, not for all out brawls.

I don't have the time, I don't have the effort, and I certainly don't have the ambition to RP this out. You say you're attacking us for reasons of "you have many powerful and respected nations." Dude, have you ever fucking listened in on #Draftroom? I've heard the names it's been called, which is why I've been trying to remake it into a respectable collective defense alliance and not a conglomerate of tiny nations who want to have influnece in the world. I mean seriously, at least be honest and say you're trying to get a nice n00bstomp in. Christ.

Your IC reasoning for this is weak, guys. I'm allied to half of you, and you're pretty much destroying any credibility you'd ever have on the international stage by attacking your own allies. I used to respect most of you. But right now I'm just getting the feeling you guys will get a boner off of a nice n00bstomp and turn yourselves into a bunch of pricks OOCly in the process. If that is the case, I'll have no part in it. Which really, I know for a fact that is the case. I would be incredibly rude right now out of anger, but I will remain civilised.

I am sorry if I personally am sounding like a prick, really I don't mean it and I'd rather not be on anyone's bad side OOC. I hate being rude, and I try to be as courteous and as civilised as I can be. But right now I am truly pissed off. Congratu-fucking-lations.

Yes you can. This is freeform RP, the only rules involved in such are usually to limit what a player may do with a counter-parts things and any other previously established limitation.

True. But you also have the right to pretty much ignore those who RP somewhat differently.

Way to be condescending there, SS.

Well said Crave, well said.

*yawn*

Hey, go ahead pat each other on the back for standing up to the OMFG big guys, but remember, you pussed out of this with even an attempt to deal with what was a legitimate attack ICly. You simply cry GODMOD and NOOBSTOMP because we're bigger.

And let's be completely honest. If we would have come to you beforehand, would have honestly said yes?

I didn't think so.

Asuming damage? Where in my post did I even hint at assuming damage, SS? If GASN wanted to say I hit none of them and had a good reason, then fair enough. Please don't go all 'Holier Than Thou' on me.

As the missiles reached their targets, Yates watched in fascination from the Bridge of the Wellington, camera arrays focusing in on different attacks, the screen divided into twelve parts. Many thoughts whirled through his mind; pride, at seeing his fleet act so efficently; morbid curiosity at the cost of the damage being unleashed upon the GASN, and the untold chaos that the destruction of these satellites would cause; detached horror at the thought of what this declaration of war meant, exactly. It would mean the beginning of a conflict that might rage for years and consume the lives of millions, and he was the man who had struck the first blow; was that something to be proud of, he wondered. Should he bear the mark with pride, or conceal it away? It was an...uneasy...thought process to have at such a critical moment in the Operation. Yet try as he might, he could not shake it off. Sighing audibly, he continued to watch the screen and examine the damage he was creating...


You wrote that, yes? I've done the same thing in the past and it was pointed out (rightly) that such was stretching the bounds of RP etiquette.

A showdown between the coalition and GASN would've been quite interesting, and I think that's the original intent. It's regretful that people have chosen to view this as a deathmatch supposedly whimsically forced onto the GASN.

@Transylvania: Yeah, and then you get an ignore.

Not every time. I have been in a few unplanned RPs and have seen some RPs. And those were not ignored. But a few did go to flame fest, which as the fact the people in them were n00bs.

At this point I'll just go ahead and say the whole thing is offically FUBAR. Seriously, its kinda amazing how fast everything just broke down.

You wrote that, yes? I've done the same thing in the past and it was pointed out (rightly) that such was stretching the bounds of RP etiquette.

Yep, wrote that. I said Yates thought about the sats being destroyed; never said anywhere the missiles even hit. GASN could easily have said they didn't hit for X Reason.

*yawn*

Hey, go ahead pat each other on the back for standing up to the OMFG big guys, but remember, you pussed out of this with even an attempt to deal with what was a legitimate attack ICly. You simply cry GODMOD and NOOBSTOMP because we're bigger.

And let's be completely honest. If we would have come to you beforehand, would have honestly said yes?

I didn't think so.

If you had come to me beforehand, and said 'Are you interested in doing an RP with (insert nations here) against you personally' I would have probably discussed it with you, made sure it wouldn't end with me getting glassed again (really, once is enough, eh?) and in the end RPed it to the best of my abilities. If you had come to me and said 'Are you interested in doing an RP with (insert nations here) against the GASN' I would have had the same discussion and said 'okay, but let me check with the other GASN members.'

Don't presume to tell me how I would react.

I've also got another message from Carbandia, who is currently unable to log on.

Due to prior engagements (if you don't know what this is, then don't ask, as it's none of your buisness..those that deserve to know have been informed) Carbandia hereby withdraws from the international community.

Whether or not we shall return in the future shall depend on how things turn out in the next 3 weeks to a month.

Good day.

This thread is proof that NS RP follows a basic rule:

1) If I don't think I'm going to win - ignore!

Well, I've had about enough. Goodbye pointless waiting around for something to happen only to find that when it does it is instantly ignored for weak OOC reasons. Goodbye silly metagaming like this:

I've known about this for a while, but really I'm just sickened it's come to this. I mean seriously, I've requested time and again that people just leave the GASN alone while I kick out the n00bs and make it a respectable alliance again. Wasn't there something called RP etiquitte on NS? I don't care how realistically you want to RP, OOC etiquitte always takes dominance over what you do IC. I'm sorry, GE, but I'm not a part of your little club. I've always felt NS and RP in general is for gentlemen and gentlewomen, not for all out brawls.

I don't have the time, I don't have the effort, and I certainly don't have the ambition to RP this out. You say you're attacking us for reasons of "you have many powerful and respected nations." Dude, have you ever fucking listened in on #Draftroom? I've heard the names it's been called, which is why I've been trying to remake it into a respectable collective defense alliance and not a conglomerate of tiny nations who want to have influnece in the world. I mean seriously, at least be honest and say you're trying to get a nice n00bstomp in. Christ.

Your IC reasoning for this is weak, guys. I'm allied to half of you, and you're pretty much destroying any credibility you'd ever have on the international stage by attacking your own allies. I used to respect most of you. But right now I'm just getting the feeling you guys will get a boner off of a nice n00bstomp and turn yourselves into a bunch of pricks OOCly in the process. If that is the case, I'll have no part in it. Which really, I know for a fact that is the case. I would be incredibly rude right now out of anger, but I will remain civilised.

Goodbye never being able to have a good RP because no one can bear to fight unless the odds are hugely stacked in their favour.

I want to RP, not bicker about IC reasons OOC (as if real countries can say "OOC: That IC reasoning wasn't very good Germany, I think I'm going to ignore your invasion of Poland." or indeed "OOC: Germany I'll accept your top-secret stealth attack designed to catch the USSR off guard but only if you give me a few months' warning." or indeed "OOC: Sorry NATO I'm a bit busy right now dealing with Hungary. Come back at a time more convenient for me to resist your attacks."). The whole culture of NS is wrong - it places having your IC nation emerge victorious ahead of having fun, and more often than not it doesnt see any distinction between your IC nation emerging victorious and having fun.

Well I've had enough. No war RP ever works out, but this RP, which we have been planning for a long time to be a really good, fun RP followed by a paradigm shift in NS power, being screwed up 5 seconds after it starts by the usual round of whining, metagaming and ignores, has just driven home how utterly pointless and futile the whole exercise is.

Goodbye GASN. Goodbye ALOD. Goodbye NS.

This thread is proof that NS RP follows a basic rule:

1) If I don't think I'm going to win - ignore!

Well, I've had about enough. Goodbye pointless waiting around for something to happen only to find that when it does it is instantly ignored for weak OOC reasons. Goodbye silly metagaming like this:



Goodbye never being able to have a good RP because no one can bear to fight unless the odds are hugely stacked in their favour.

I want to RP, not bicker about IC reasons OOC (as if real countries can say "OOC: That IC reasoning wasn't very good Germany, I think I'm going to ignore your invasion of Poland."). The whole culture of NS is wrong - it places having your IC nation emerge victorious ahead of having fun, and more often than not it doesnt see any distinction between your IC nation emerging victorious and having fun.

Well I've had enough. No war RP ever works out, but this RP, which we have been planning for a long time to be a really good, fun RP followed by a paradigm shift in NS power, being screwed up 5 seconds after it starts by the usual round of whining, metagaming and ignores, has just driven home how utterly pointless and futile the whole exercise is.

Goodbye GASN. Goodbye ALOD. Goodbye NS.

Oh, please. I have played losing, I have played having my inserted forces wiped out, I have played having my nation nuked off of the map. As for your planning for a long time, what part of 'I wouldn't have a problem with this if you had asked me about it, or included me in that planning' don't you get? If you want to leave because you didn't get your war, fine, go ahead, I won't try to stop you.

But don't try and pin it on me.

*yawn*

Hey, go ahead pat each other on the back for standing up to the OMFG big guys, but remember, you pussed out of this with even an attempt to deal with what was a legitimate attack ICly. You simply cry GODMOD and NOOBSTOMP because we're bigger.

And let's be completely honest. If we would have come to you beforehand, would have honestly said yes?

I didn't think so.


Chest-beating much? Kinda proving their point for them, man.

Meh, I'm reminded why I limit my RPing anymore. I was going to bitchslap Leocardia for being such a 'wad, and in the process do the GASN a favor, but with this NK-lite coalition going on it appears such would be entirely superfluous.

Way to advance a storyline, guys (yes, that is aimed at both sides.)

Jeeze, what ever happened to any form of ettiqute? This was not thrown together one morning, but was the product of weeks of planning. I've made my reasons clear: I want more land to expand the Ennusian peoples. And, rather than wait until troops hit the beaches, most of the GASN nations who bothered to respond presumed that this was a n00b stomp. If anything, this proves that GASN is nothing more than a bunch of n00bs hoping to have some sort of influence in the NS world.

This was not thrown together one morning, but was the product of weeks of planning.

How many times do I have to say that I wouldn't have a problem with it if I was included in that planning?

I'll pull the chat logs out to prove Whyatica used the exact word n00bstomp.

Well said, Praetonia, well said. Almost what I was going to say about this whole thing. I don’t get into RP to win, I get into them to write a story. A good point is that I’m butting head with Kraven again. I don’t know if I will win or lose, I will just write a story. If I loss, it will be fine with me.

Well said, Praetonia, well said. Almost what I was going to say about this whole thing. I don’t get into RP to win, I get into them to write a story. A good point is that I’m butting head with Kraven again. I don’t know if I will win or lose, I will just write a story. If I loss, it will be fine with me.

Did both you and Kraven plan this butting of heads together?

Whoever said we're ignoring this becasue me would get raped? We're currently undergoing changes and this is not the best time. That's the whole issue with it. I wouldn't back away from a fight and It's ben awhile since there has been a good war so please, just postpone this or something. Let us sort out are internal affairs first.

Planned RPs, ftw. Prae is absolutely right, nobody wants to do spontaneous RPs. However, when one huge-ass coalition jumps another alliance, without any of the planning involving both sides, it assumes the appearance of a power!wank. Whether that's true or not is largely irrelevent, especially now in this thread.

Angland, I'd buy that, but war never comes when its convenient for the defender. If anything, we'd want to invade at this point due to the fact GASN, our enemy, is in chaos as is.

Did both you and Kraven plan this butting of heads together?

Hell no, unplanned RP between me and Kraven in Old Jagada. Now, Jagada and Kraven I think planned it but I like sticking my head into things that deal with my allies. And Kraven have a history with me. Need to fill my bloodrage.

I'll pull the chat logs out to prove Whyatica used the exact word n00bstomp.

...and since when has Whyatica represented all of us?

Stop fidgeting and making excuses.

i see your point, and I was thinking the same thing myself when I wrote that post, however the chaos we are in is sorting out who stays and who goes. We're currently deliberating right now who aare quality RPers who will take hits and who is a n00b or whatever. We're trying to sort this whole thign out before we do get into action. I mean, would you really want half the n00bs we're throwing out to participate in this RP? I think not.

Angland, I'd buy that, but war never comes when its convenient for the defender. If anything, we'd want to invade at this point due to the fact GASN, our enemy, is in chaos as is.

How about this? You want to know why The Aeson is withdrawing from II? No, it's not anything about my suddenly being disillusioned or anything like that. The Aeson is withdrawing because I don't feel right about just Ignoring this and going on my way.

GASN-Only. Any satellite traced back to a GASN nation has been targeted.

Dang, you blew up all of my $150 satalites?
(think Sputniks armed with spy cameras and a paint can)

What will I do now?
[launches anoth batch]

And Cravan isn't the Kravan Corp...

I also find it funny that everbody is up against GASN and nobody is against the CA, even after nuking other countries.

Going to get Undashi for killing an RP like that...

PROHT, Shut the fuck up. You aren't helping the situation.

PROHT, Shut the fuck up. You aren't helping the situation.

Did manners just stop existing where you live or where you just not taught them?

Frankly Aeson, Anglad, I don't really care. If you don't object to the RP except that you were not told (as you claim) then I think it's very petty ignoring it when there is no IC reason. Telling you about a surprise attack would render the whole thing pointless, and there is nothing stopping you from responding to it now that you do know about it. Equally, in RL alliances and nations do not look for moments when opposing alliances and nations are highly stable to attack them.

If this RP can be salvaged, and I hope but doubt that it can, then I will stay to see its conclusion.

If not, then meh. Off-site RPs I have played in do not have this massive avertion to war. They are much more fun because this kind of crap doesn't happen. If this doesn't go ahead I'm going to stick to them for now on, unless II changes drastically, which I have every confidence that it won't.

Did manners just stop existing where you live or where you just not taught them?

About to ask the same thing.

...and since when has Whyatica represented all of us?

Stop fidgeting and making excuses.

Since he stated he was planning it with you.

[12:23:50 AM] Mack - WEEEE: Hehe.
[12:23:55 AM] Mack - WEEEE: You should quit and let GASN fall on it's
own.
[12:24:14 AM] Mack - WEEEE: Some other rpers and I are waiting for
GASN to declare war on CA so we can make a massive show
of force and crush them all in one fell swoop.
[12:26:10 AM] Craven: Heh, I've heard about the names it's been called
on #Draftroom and other places. :P
[12:26:27 AM] Mack - WEEEE: you've got no respect at all.
[12:26:50 AM] Mack - WEEEE: The Silver Sky, Velkya, Aralonia, Space
Union, and I are looking for an excuse to n00bstomp the
majority of the GASN
[12:27:03 AM] Craven: Oh, I don't doubt it.
[12:27:29 AM] Craven: I've heard you feel there are... What, 3 or 4
people in it worth RPing with?
[12:27:54 AM] Mack - WEEEE: Aequatio and Illior stick out, most people
are wondering why they're there

I'm almost ashamed of myself for having once held you in as high regard as I once did, Velkya. Instead of me stop "fidgeting" and "making excuses," why don't you get down off your high horse? I don't have to make any excuses, for I don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of me.

@Blaglug
Keep yourself in line and refrain from making outbursts like that again. This has remained gentlemanly so far, and I plan on it staying that way.

Manners are no good with PROHT, least from past experiences. You have to be blunt.

@Crave

Don;t lecture me on being gentlemanly when he's over there provoking these guys in the first place.

Praetonia, have you ever heard of a difference between OOC and IC? I mean, really?

And you know what, if the whole lot of you want to invade me, I'm fine with that. Whatever. Be a decent way to end The Aeson's participation here, especially as I know about it before hand.

Manners are no good with PROHT, least from past experiences. You have to be blunt.

Blunt and rude, although similiar, are still strikingly different.

@Crave

And his comment wasn't rude and n00bish in the first place? Hes baiting them and you know damn well how I feel about baiting. Plus, I'm sick of the antics it seems like everyday we have to deal with.

Considering I've banned PROHT from the draftroom before, I think I know that, thanks. Blunt is entirely different to being rude.

Praetonia, have you ever heard of a difference between OOC and IC? I mean, really?
Yes I do. It is a blurry difference that is almost always exploited. Prior knowledge of a surprise attack makes no sense. If you have RL issues and you can't be at the computer to RP it then I'm fine with that. But if you're just going to ignore it out a vindictiveness because you weren't told, when there was no reason you needed to be told, and when being told would detract from the RP? No I'm not fine with that.

I hope this RP can be salvaged. I really hope it can. Because EVERY NS war RP goes this way, sooner or later, unless pre-planned, and I'm a bit sick of it. But it requires co-operation from everyone. It also requires that the default reaction to something you don't like be 'make the best of it', rather than 'IGNORE!'. Then if you want to surprise attack me and not tell me, or lay an ambush for my troops you want them to walk into, I can respect that also.

You guys keep talking about how you want to have fun with this RP, but are you not thinking about what some people think of as fun? I don't think that being attacked by like 10 3bil nations is very fun for anyone, especially an alliance that is being rebuilt.

But whatever, doesn't matter to me. If the GASN talks it over and decides that we'll go through with it, then sure, but it wont happen while we are going through what we are doing.

To be honest I wouldnt mind being 'dogpiled' and I have faced overwhelming odds before against AMF. You can have fun out of losing, and you can defeat a superior enemy.

I challenged powers like the RWA, NATO, and AMF when I was a mere one or two billion strong. Don't talk to me about being outnumbered. If you're so fussed about what's happening in your imaginary nation then why don't you just stop RPing it? I mean, something bad might happen, and then your people would blame you -

Oh, wait.

And you lecture me about being rude? Questers, you've been rude this whole damn time.

All four (five now) posts of it, obviously.

I really find the condescending attitudes of the anti-GASN people in this thread distasteful.

@ Questers

Oh, how so cleverly funny.

@ Questers

Oh, how so cleverly funny.

You're only going to get yourself in more shit with that attitude. Leave the thread and take a chill pill. I've seen you when you're pissed, it isn't healthy. And this is certainly not worth it.

I'm sure this is where, if people continue the name calling and the flaming, the mods lock the thread. If you don't want to see it locked, then cut the fighting and get down to discussing how to make it work.

Because SF wants in so they can dance with Jaredcohenia and Asgarnieu.

@ crave

Fine. Will do, but please try and get on MSN.


@SF... go ahead and dance with them, I'm too busy to help them out right now so seriously, do it.

I really find the condescending attitudes of the anti-GASN people in this thread distasteful.

This has nothing to do with you, comrade. Move along number 2991562.

@ Questers

Oh, how so cleverly funny.

Sorry, I don't understand sarcasm.

Guys, cool it, ok? We're trying to work this out through other channels right now.

Grrr......There's so much I could say to you Questers...

Allright, my rant time.

The reason I totally object to this war besides being rather stupid in my head, is that starting on tuesday, I'm going to have very limited time on the computer, more so than now. I take pride in the work I write up, and for those of you that have seen the story I've been working on, know that I haven't had enough time to write the next part of that. Anyways, as Aeson already stated, what ever happened to planning the FUCKING RP WITH THOSE BEING FUCKING ATTACKED? Excuse me for my bluntness, as I know GE and Doomie and their Merry Draftroom gang have been planning this for a long while, but did you ever think of including US IN YOUR SELF-CENTERED HEADS? I don't mind losing, and enjoy it as much as I do winning, but it's the idea that although some of us "knew" so to speak, we we didn't even have the chance to say "Hey, look, we can't RP, alot of us are going to be swamped in the coming weeks." Instead, I get a Message from The Silver SKy over MSN which said, "Leave GASN, it's gonna get stomped. Me and Space and a bunch of others want to go stomp on newbs." Although that wasn't the exact message, it was heavily implied, and I was asked, along with aequatio, probably the two largest and most experienced GASN nations (no offense to the rest of you) to leave, so they could continue without having to deal with the consequences of my government ICly, and in good taste, and my commitment to keep IC and OOC separate, I said no, as I wouldn't leave GASN for OOC reasons.

Now Prae, to comment on your comments, I say this:: RPing is meant to be fun, and to be tasteful and to provide the readers with a good story. Now, you and the other 15 nations may have been planning this for the past two weeks, once again, you DID NOT EVEN THINK TO CONSULT US, as in where to attack, or when it might even be POSSIBLE for us to RP, as a lot of us just started school, and I'm going into my Junior year, the hardest year of Highschool, and most important. I'm taking Six honors Classes, and that means BOATLOADS of work. I will maybe have half an hour a night to devote to reading new posts, posting on Draftroom, and helping Cravan with GASN. It's not just me who can't do this, but also Aeq has his work, Cravan has a lot of school work, and Blaglug (Angland) like me started his junior year, forcing most of the more active GASN members not to be able to RP. So it's not "If you're horrendouly outnumbered, IGNORE." It's more like "WORK OVERLOAD, no Balls to consult the attacked, IGNORE."

Now, I have to say, I respected a lot of you, that is RESPECTED, as in rational people, good RPers and good people in general, but I'm sad to say, that Has changed, specially to those of you who were allied with people in GASN ICly and decided to attack GASN cause you planned it out OOCly, and as far as I've seen, there's been no massive meetings of leaders discussing taking over the world, or SIC messages for that matter, really as far as I can tell just making an OOC alliance to do stuff ICly (So who's the one mixing OOC and IC now?).

Now besides the fact that a lot of GASN members are gonna ignore this for various reasons, I seriously can't believe EVERY GOVERNMENT would break some of their best forged alliances and go and attack their former allies. I have to give it to TSS for at least trying to talk to me about what I would do if attacked and what his government would do.

Now, to sum up that incredibly repetitive rant in a couple of simple points:
1. I'm ignoring this due to projected lack of computer time, and the time I have I want to put into my story.
2. What Happened to consulting the attacked to even ask if the could RP this?
3. Where the hell are the IC meetings and messages coordinating these massive countries? Nowhere, this was just planned out before OOCly, and then mixed horribly OOC and IC.
4. Why would a government suddenly turn on a long standing ally, or a nation that has been friendly or reasonable towards them for a long time?
5. I hate to say it, but I've seriously lost respect in some of those I found to be some of the best writers I've seen, and some of my friends too.

Ok everyone... shut up. This is the OOc thread for the attack against the GSAN alliance. This game we call nationstates is about politics. and war falls under politics. No where in the rule book of war says that an alliance needs to be notified of an attack. nore does it say it has to be ready. Generic Empire is smart for attacking when his enemy is weak and unorganized. Thats a stratigic though. And about dogpiling. There are strong people on both sides. And I have a feeling that alot of the problem ghere is about who will lose what battles. I have lost battles. I have lost wars. It happens. And in Roleplay who every can tell the better story normally wins the battle. So if you use that logic and you apply that need to win into your RP then this would be a great one. One that people will speak of years to come. So instead getting mad about not wanting to lose. Start putting those feeling into you writting.


Now lets get back to the subject!


I need a drink!

I need a drink!

"What'll it be sir?"

100 proof moon drink please on the rocks!!!!

You got it.

"Please clear the bar" SF speaks to the drunkard patrons. "Thank you"

Wiping off the bottom of the glass, SF looks for the perfect line by placing the side of his on the bar and closing the opposide eye.

"Ah I gotcha now" The bartending SF muttered to himself with pride. "Ready down there RC? All right, here it comes!"

SF places the glass on the bar, adjusting his loose grip, his hand now covered in condensation. Making some practice slides, he tests the grip. SF pulls his arm back then pushes forward with a slight twist of the wrist and the glass goes sliding down the bar, spinning ever so smoothly, ever so perfectly.

"It's comin'"

The patrons go quiet as they stare at the sliding glass, waiting for the end result.

I’m going to back up what Raven corps said. Both sides need to just chill. You don’t planned a surprise party with the person you are throwing it for, do you? The answer is no.

I think the main reason for no taking any of the GASN members, is that the info about the surprise would make be up their armed forces because of OOC stuff. Which I hate. I hate watching people use OOC in IC. It is a surprise attack, deal with it.

*Walks away* Now, I need a drink.

You got it.

"Please clear the bar" SF speaks to the drunkard patrons. "Thank you"

Wiping off the bottom of the glass, SF looks for the perfect line by placing the side of his on the bar and closing the opposide eye.

"Ah I gotcha now" The bartending SF muttered to himself with pride. "Ready down there RC? All right, here it comes!"

SF places the glass on the bar, adjusting his loose grip, his hand now covered in condensation. Making some practice slides, he tests the grip. SF pulls his arm back then pushes forward with a slight twist of the wrist and the glass goes sliding down the bar, spinning ever so smoothly, ever so perfectly.

"It's comin'"

The patrons go quiet as they stare at the sliding glass, waiting for the end result.

Raven corps logo driks fast..... And signals for another

I’m going to back up what Raven corps said. Both sides need to just chill. You don’t planned a surprise party with the person you are throwing it for, do you? The answer is no.

I think the main reason for no taking any of the GASN members, is that the info about the surprise would make be up their armed forces because of OOC stuff. Which I hate. I hate watching people use OOC in
IC. It is a surprise attack, deal with it.

*Walks away* Now, I need a drink.

Raven corps logo holds up a thumbs up sign and says "Here, Here"

*Walks away* Now, I need a drink.

"Pick your poison"

"Pick your poison"

Well, I go get a real drink. Or maybe I don’t need a drink, I need to see some blood.

This thread would have been a good one or that is what I think it would have been. Surprise attack, followed by all out brawl to save the defender’s land, fleets getting blow out of the water on both sides, etc.

Well, I go get a real drink. Or maybe I don’t need a drink, I need to see some blood.

This thread would have been a good one or that is what I think it would have been. Surprise attack, followed by all out brawl to save the defender’s land, fleets getting blow out of the water on both sides, etc.
It could have, all it needed was including Us in the planning, or at least those that could RP. As I said, I don't mind losing but I don't have the time.

I know. N.S. is over due for a war of great size.one that revives the love for Rp. A good all out battle would be good for I.I. and this one could do it....

It could have, all it needed was including Us in the planning, or at least those that could RP. As I said, I don't mind losing but I don't have the time.

Then bow out of the GSAN and dont fight. this is between those two parties. And if you dont have time just leave, I wont consider you a coward... I understand. I got out of jail a while ago. And during that time I did nothing at all even though. I had Other RPs. And would have like to have loved to finishe them.

Oi, you three.

Stop turning this OOC thread into a bar. It's rather annoying already.

In any case.

Using historical examples here, and yes, so what if I'm comparing CPOC/APOC or whatever the acronym is to 1939 Germany and you lot to Poland?

Was Poland notified before Germany began its blitzkrieg?

Were the Americans notified before Japan bombed the crap out of them at Pearl?

No? Well, think again. I believe there were recon flights over Harashijima and it would have been rather easy to detect any sort of massed movement towards Poland, I believe that had occured.

The military mobilisation thread was your version of a "Here we are, we're moving a crapload of ships, tanks, aircraft, look for us!" I think it's easy for spy satellites to watch a 605-ship navy move on an inexorable course towards its destiny, let alone the massive sea/air armadas that The Silver Sky, Velkya, or Czardas were bringing up. Even Google Earth has sighted B-52s taking off. What's to say that a military progam, let alone a Nationstates-scale military program, wouldn't see massive movements that outweigh a single B-52 by several orders of magnitude?

And all of you worrying about how this massive alliance is going to kick smaller nations' arses? I was planning on taking on Aequatio in a good duel to the death, really. Need I remind you people that Aequatio is approximately, err... thirteen times my nation's size?

So, in short: GASN, stop whining and deal with it like a true nation of the world. Poland didn't go "omg wtf ignore!", they, err. Died. Oops. But neither did the USA, and they went on to kick Japan's ass. (Which was a good thing, anime came from that little Japanese renaissance, hee.)

I know. N.S. is over due for a war of great size.one that revives the love for Rp. A good all out battle would be good for I.I. and this one could do it....

There's a reason why I suggested it be called "The Last Good War", mate. :P

It could have, all it needed was including Us in the planning, or at least those that could RP. As I said, I don't mind losing but I don't have the time.

Including GASN members in a surprise attack, what did I say early. That would not be a good idea. I’m not saying that everybody use OOC stuff for IC but I have seen it. So by telling that they will be a surprise attack on GASN to it’s own members OOC, it would lead to OOC being used in the IC thread.

The same thing happen in CW’s thread. MB used OOC knowledge to call for aid before the attack happen.

Oi, you three.

Stop turning this OOC thread into a bar. It's rather annoying already.

In any case.

Using historical examples here, and yes, so what if I'm comparing CPOC/APOC or whatever the acronym is to 1939 Germany and you lot to Poland?

Was Poland notified before Germany began its blitzkrieg?

Were the Americans notified before Japan bombed the crap out of them at Pearl?

No? Well, think again. I believe there were recon flights over Harashijima and it would have been rather easy to detect any sort of massed movement towards Poland, I believe that had occured.

The military mobilisation thread was your version of a "Here we are, we're moving a crapload of ships, tanks, aircraft, look for us!" I think it's easy for spy satellites to watch a 605-ship navy move on an inexorable course towards its destiny, let alone the massive sea/air armadas that The Silver Sky, Velkya, or Czardas were bringing up. Even Google Earth has sighted B-52s taking off. What's to say that a military progam, let alone a Nationstates-scale military program, wouldn't see massive movements that outweigh a single B-52 by several orders of magnitude?

And all of you worrying about how this massive alliance is going to kick smaller nations' arses? I was planning on taking on Aequatio in a good duel to the death, really. Need I remind you people that Aequatio is approximately, err... thirteen times my nation's size?

So, in short: GASN, stop whining and deal with it like a true nation of the world. Poland didn't go "omg wtf ignore!", they, err. Died. Oops. But neither did the USA, and they went on to kick Japan's ass. (Which was a good thing, anime came from that little Japanese renaissance, hee.)

You know, I really am started to get a teeeeeeeeny bit irrated by this constant comparison of NS to RL. Have you considered that a number of nations Cravan, the founder of GASN is allied to have broken their word and commited what would be, in Real Life, global political suicide? Which they can do, and probably get away with, because this isn't real life! In real life, there is no out of character. In nationstates, there is.

Second, did you ever mention, at all, in the mobolization thread that you were moving towards GASN members?

Third, what about these OOC calls for Aquetio and Illior to leave the GASN?

Me too. I've actually had a few OOC calls.

Second, did you ever mention, at all, in the mobolization thread that you were moving towards GASN members?

Third, what about these OOC calls for Aquetio and Illior to leave the GASN?

Response to second point: I mentioned Myactivation of my Garrisons, And In the IC: thread I mentioned that the moblization was complete and left the location of the deployment to generic Empire

Response to third:

Illior said he didn't have time to RP the war. I said then back out of the alliance and avoid the responsiblilty of fighting. And in that tactic thier is no coward.

Response to second point: I mentioned Myactivation of my Garrisons, And In the IC: thread I mentioned that the moblization was complete and left the location of the deployment to generic Empire

So that's a no?

Response to third:

Illior said he didn't have time to RP the war. I said then back out of the alliance and avoid the responsiblilty of fighting. And in that tactic thier is no coward.

Right. I know that, and that's not what I'm talking about. Illior has said that he and Asgarnieu recieved calls to leave the GASN before the thread was made.

It's not that simple, though. He can't just back out. He's helping me rebuild it, for Christ's sake.

OOC notification is different than IC. You could have told us OOCly beforehand, and we could have set up a good time for the IC thread to appear. ICly, you can still surprise attack us even if we know about it OOCly.

I already started school and I have crew afterwards. That means that on Monday-Friday I won't be available from 5:45 a.m.-6 p.m. Some nights I can probably get on NS to make a few posts.

I'm all up for getting owned, I just don't know if I can keep up with the thread.

You know, I really am started to get a teeeeeeeeny bit irrated by this constant comparison of NS to RL. Have you considered that a number of nations Cravan, the founder of GASN is allied to have broken their word and commited what would be, in Real Life, global political suicide? Which they can do, and probably get away with, because this isn't real life! In real life, there is no out of character. In nationstates, there is.




Response to main :

We Compare the Rl to N.S. to make things a little more realilistic(SP). Sure a lot of things are different and really cant be bridged, but this can. A suprise atack would be a real life thing that can happen to anyone at anytime. and to think that, in a political game, a nation or alliance cant suprise attack someone is nonsense

Response to main :

We Compare the Rl to N.S. to make things a little more realilistic(SP). Sure a lot of things are different and really cant be bridged, but this can. A suprise atack would be a real life thing that can happen to anyone at anytime. and to think that, in a political game, a nation or alliance cant suprise attack someone is nonsense

Yes, and they could surprise attack us, whether or not we knew about it OOCly. That's the entire essence of OOC.

Oi, you three.

Stop turning this OOC thread into a bar. It's rather annoying already.

In any case.

Using historical examples here, and yes, so what if I'm comparing CPOC/APOC or whatever the acronym is to 1939 Germany and you lot to Poland?

Was Poland notified before Germany began its blitzkrieg?

Were the Americans notified before Japan bombed the crap out of them at Pearl?

No? Well, think again. I believe there were recon flights over Harashijima and it would have been rather easy to detect any sort of massed movement towards Poland, I believe that had occured.

The military mobilisation thread was your version of a "Here we are, we're moving a crapload of ships, tanks, aircraft, look for us!" I think it's easy for spy satellites to watch a 605-ship navy move on an inexorable course towards its destiny, let alone the massive sea/air armadas that The Silver Sky, Velkya, or Czardas were bringing up. Even Google Earth has sighted B-52s taking off. What's to say that a military progam, let alone a Nationstates-scale military program, wouldn't see massive movements that outweigh a single B-52 by several orders of magnitude?

And all of you worrying about how this massive alliance is going to kick smaller nations' arses? I was planning on taking on Aequatio in a good duel to the death, really. Need I remind you people that Aequatio is approximately, err... thirteen times my nation's size?

So, in short: GASN, stop whining and deal with it like a true nation of the world. Poland didn't go "omg wtf ignore!", they, err. Died. Oops. But neither did the USA, and they went on to kick Japan's ass. (Which was a good thing, anime came from that little Japanese renaissance, hee.)

That's nice. Now, I don't know if you've noticed, but NS is nothing like RL. In fact, NS is based around this silly little thing called roleplay. And it is good reason to ignore something like that because it came completely out of the blue. ICly as well if you want to get technical. If people use OOC knowledge to bolster themselves IC inappropriately, then either deal with it or don't RP with them later on. But to plan some massive RP and then use that as an excuse for not telling the other side, who may have some perfectly valid objections like "Hey, we don't have the time to do anything like that."

Flip it around. GASN does planning for weeks and then launches a full out nuclear barrage on those folk without telling them beforehand. Grounds for complaint there, is there not?

So that's a no?


in regards to my moblization... I never said where they where going... that means they could be attacking GASN or someone else.... I never gave clear indication that my attack was going to be completly agaisnt the GASN.


Flip it around. GASN does planning for weeks and then launches a full out nuclear barrage on those folk without telling them beforehand. Grounds for complaint there, is there not?

By: Rosdivan

Yes but we would have to deal.... if the attack came we would respond... It may take time for all of us to organize but thats what happens we you strike with nuclear weapons...

in regards to my moblization... I never said where they where going... that means they could be attacking GASN or someone else.... I never gave clear indication that my attack was going to be completly agaisnt the GASN.


Thank you. That's all I needed to know.

glad to help..


Now if the GASN is concerned about having prior consent to the attack I have no problem letting them get to gether and getting themselves ready.... OOCly of course. I would hope that in the IC sense they would remain in the whole OMG WTF it a suprise attack mode. If they can do that, then I can wait if that would make things better.

Yes, and they could surprise attack us, whether or not we knew about it OOCly. That's the entire essence of OOC.

Yeah, right. 'My tanks just so happened to be on alert during maneouvres when you attacked...'

Well I come back from a day of work and find this.... it reminds me why A Passion Play is such a great war RP.

I'm going to say this, you do not need to tell the other side OOC that you will invade them. Sure it might seem rude, but then again this is a Nation-simulation, not a "WE-LOVE-EACHOTHER" community (well ICly at least :p ). In the real world, you don't need to tell the other people that you will be invading them. In NS, you shouldn't care either. I remember when I first joined World at War, some guy invaded me without telling me so I was like "OMG! No you didn't!" and responded that way to him over PM. In that RP, though, we didn't need to tell each other in advance we were going to invade people or stuff like that, it was roleplay not "PRE-PLAN MANIA!". Where's the surprise and stuff when you get invaded? That war RP, although it turned out not so great for other reasons, was actually quite well.

Its one reason to have an OOC problem with RL or stuff, but ignoring on the basis that we didn't consult you OOC before? That's not how life works. I could care less if you all invaded me. I wouldn't go "OMG! IGNORE!" instead I would RP it to my best ability. If I lose, sucks but its just a game. If I win, that's great too. I hope GASN gives this a chance. That's my 2 cents at least....

Hope no one took that as a rude, arrogant tone. Just expressing my feelings. :)

Yeah, right. 'My tanks just so happened to be on alert during maneouvres when you attacked...'

And how does posting it out of the blue prevent that? They could just as easily post that HUMINT and SIGINT had forewarned them of the impending attack.

glad to help..


Now if the GASN is concerned about having prior consent to the attack I have no problem letting them get to gether and getting themselves ready.... OOCly of course. I would hope that in the IC sense they would remain in the whole OMG WTF it a suprise attack mode. If they can do that, then I can wait if that would make things better.

I'm willing to do that. Questers, on the other hand, seems to be violently opposed.

Well I come back from a day of work and find this.... it reminds me why A Passion Play is such a great war RP.

I'm going to say this, you do not need to tell the other side OOC that you will invade them. Sure it might seem rude, but then again this is a Nation-simulation, not a "WE-LOVE-EACHOTHER" community (well ICly at least :p ). In the real world, you don't need to tell the other people that you will be invading them. In NS, you shouldn't care either. I remember when I first joined World at War, some guy invaded me without telling me so I was like "OMG! No you didn't!" and responded that way to him over PM. In that RP, though, we didn't need to tell each other in advance we were going to invade people or stuff like that, it was roleplay not "PRE-PLAN MANIA!". Where's the surprise and stuff when you get invaded? That war RP, although it turned out not so great for other reasons, was actually quite well.

Its one reason to have an OOC problem with RL or stuff, but ignoring on the basis that we didn't consult you OOC before? That's not how life works. I could care less if you all invaded me. I wouldn't go "OMG! IGNORE!" instead I would RP it to my best ability. If I lose, sucks but its just a game. If I win, that's great too. I hope GASN gives this a chance. That's my 2 cents at least....

Hope no one took that as a rude, arrogant tone. Just expressing my feelings. :)

Thats what I have been saying.... But if it make them happy

That's nice. Now, I don't know if you've noticed, but NS is nothing like RL. In fact, NS is based around this silly little thing called roleplay. And it is good reason to ignore something like that because it came completely out of the blue. ICly as well if you want to get technical. If people use OOC knowledge to bolster themselves IC inappropriately, then either deal with it or don't RP with them later on. But to plan some massive RP and then use that as an excuse for not telling the other side, who may have some perfectly valid objections like "Hey, we don't have the time to do anything like that."

Flip it around. GASN does planning for weeks and then launches a full out nuclear barrage on those folk without telling them beforehand. Grounds for complaint there, is there not?

Not at all.

<Aralonian Defence Teams> CRAP, MISSILES INBOUND, SPOOL EVERYTHING UP GOD DAMN IT, READY THE HOPLITES AND LASERS

OOC: Oh deary, this is going to burn.

Thats what I have been saying.... But if it make them happy

Sorry, I just scanned through the thread and too tired to read through it.

In response to SU: Yes sometimes just "going on the fly" Rping can be fun, but in a situation where there's a lot of nations going to go at eachother, there's generally a concencus that organization is needed so things like this don't happen. Way Back when, when the alliance wars were the dominating RPs, both sides knew what was coming so some basic planning could be put into place, allowing for theaters, unlike here, where it seems to be a madhouse, and rants of "IGNOR3!!". Some basic notification and some coordantion could have prevented this 10 pages of pure annoyance and a lot of lost respect for each side. To address the issues of letting people know OOCly that they're being invaded ICly, generally you should trust the other RPers and at least give them the courtesy, and if they decide to use OOC ICly, you can scream at them and call them n00bz!!!, and then they're the ones that look like asses, and not you. I've stated my commitment to keeping OOC from IC as much as possible, so I'm not being hypocritical, and as Cravan and I have both pointed out, I really don't understand how nations will just turn on their allies for people they've never been allied with ICly, and again, very few of my allegations have been answered and I'd like them to be.

Now, I'm thinking about maybe trying this, but it needs to have some basic planning, and nothing is assured until I actually know my workload and sports schedule.

Going offline for a little while should be back tonight!!!!

Yeah, right. 'My tanks just so happened to be on alert during maneouvres when you attacked...'

Point out a case where I have done that.

Wait a sec, GASN is being attacked by members of the GASN?
And I thought I was treachorus...

Sorry, but I think I speak for myself quite clearly, that the most likely person to go shooting up GASN nations would have been myself, and no others.

Bump on the off chance that this can still make a decent note for me to withdraw The Aeson on.

Point out a case where I have done that.

I never said you did, nor did I say you would. It just seems to happen rather alot.

And how does posting it out of the blue prevent that? They could just as easily post that HUMINT and SIGINT had forewarned them of the impending attack.

Well why didn't they, if it's as easy as that?

I never said you did, nor did I say you would. It just seems to happen rather alot.

And how does posting it out of the blue prevent that? They could just as easily post that HUMINT and SIGINT had forewarned them of the impending attack.

Well why didn't they, if it's as easy as that?

Because it wouldn't make sense?

I've also been informed that this has been called off. That said, my offer for anyone or everyone here to invade me still stands.

And yes, I'll be surprised, I promise.

This is what is going to happen:

*All those nations who are prepared to continue this RP as it stands, at the moment, please, in their next post, write a big letter (a).

*All those nations who are prepared to continue this RP as it stands, but cannot due to RL concerns, and will continue it as time allows, please write a big letter (b) in their next post

*All those nations who do not want to have anything to do with this RP, and are going to ignore it, please write a (c) in their next post.

Example: For myself I would write: A, B, as I'm flexible.

If you have a situation other than what is listed, and can articulate yourself without flaming, or generally being an arse, feel free to say so.

B

Sorry, guys, but the timing sucks..Maybe some other time (and yes, Jolt finally let me back in) No hard feelings?

(AB)

A is for Aeson. Nod.

C.

But I had to respond to this:

Well I've had enough. No war RP ever works out, but this RP, which we have been planning for a long time to be a really good, fun RP followed by a paradigm shift in NS power, being screwed up 5 seconds after it starts by the usual round of whining, metagaming and ignores, has just driven home how utterly pointless and futile the whole exercise is.

Goodbye GASN. Goodbye ALOD. Goodbye NS.

Erm, wasn't that a little extreme there Prae?

And what about old SEA here? You and Questers had the idea of invading me as to consolidate power ICly, perhaps as part of A Passion Play.

What about that? Despite the fact that I'm still trying to figure out how to properly use an IM service, I still am willing to do it. Why have you chosen the GASN instead IC?

Or is this meant to be something entirely seperate fromt that?

A, B

Well then Aeson, I apologise for my lack of understanding. I was under the assumption you were opposed to the idea.

A, B

Well then Aeson, I apologise for my lack of understanding. I was under the assumption you were opposed to the idea.

No, I'm fine with the idea. All out alliance vs alliance? W00t. I was just upset about it being sprung on us like this.

A, B

I have limited time available right now if we were to continue it.

Why did Steve Irwin have to die?:(

A,B

I'd prefer that it be broken down into various fronts presenting somewhat equal matchups though.

^^

I don't care if the matchups are equal or not. I'll gladly own or be owned when I have enough free time.

A, B

I have limited time available right now if we were to continue it.

Why did Steve Irwin have to die?:(
'Twas his time, mate..Mourn, but move along..It is what he would have wanted you to do.

A, B

I'm not actually part of the RP, but I'm a third-party observer who is helping the Coalition in everything but name (believe me, I've been working with them for a while now). Unfortunately, time concerns, are, well, time concerns.

A

Shame about Steve Irwin. At least he died doing what he liked doing.

A.

Let's do this.

Ab

A

B

(On holiday for 16 days or so)

A, B

A,B

I probably will join... So B, A (in order of probability). I'll have to see how heavy the AP courseload is.

Tagged this thread has been.

--Yoda

A

and maybe B

A,B And depends if I can get those answers, and have them answered satisfactorily.

B.

I'll have to read through the histories of these militaries and figure out why they have massive spaceships when I'm earthbound.

I'd also really like to get some sleep.

a

C


I will ignore any attacks made upon anything associated with my nation as this entire RP was not brought to my attention until AFTER it started. The time for talk is over, no one notified any member of the GASN of this war, so i herby am ignoring anyone who attempts to attack my nation.

C


I will ignore any attacks made upon anything associated with my nation as this entire RP was not brought to my attention until AFTER it started. The time for talk is over, no one notified any member of the GASN of this war, so i herby am ignoring anyone who attempts to attack my nation.

I've got news for you, buddy. I told Cravan some time before the attack came that it'd be coming.

Meh, do what you want.

B

I really can't do it as school starts on Wednesday and I'm going to be too preoccupied to read 30 posts.

And I find it really cool that you told SOME people but not everyone.

B

I really can't do it as school starts on Wednesday and I'm going to be too preoccupied to read 30 posts.

And I find it really cool that you told SOME people but not everyone.

...not my responsibility if Cravan doesn't tell everyone.

If you wish to declare war upon an entire alliance, at least make the efford to TG all members of the alliance to notify them. Have your members take a section of the list and just do a TG campaign to notify them. Don't just tell one person then all the sudden post a thread "OH, i delcare war on the (insert alliance here)!"


Common sense people....Common sense...

A,b

AB

Gotta copy some AP Chem outlines and memorize some shit, then I should have more time.

A. Definitely A.

Sorry for not having been here before, I am amazed at how fast this piled up.

B

'Fraid I'll have to take a somewhat limited role in this, seeing as I've realised my Geometry teacher can be quite a dick when it comes to homework. I won't have the time nor patience to read thirty-zillion incredibly long posts every day after school while fumbling with the protractor and practicing my Spanish. Doesn't mean I don't want to RP it, though. I'll still take part. But I may not have the ability to take on a full scale assault on the homeland unless we keep the fighting in a relatively small area of my country so it's easier to keep track of. I won't take the beating I've heard most of you want me to, but at least I can participate.

I would, however, rather my population weren't all enslaved and my land raped for resources. As much as Whyatica assures me it won't happen, I have this feeling I can't shake off.

I still feel you need a better reason to declare war than "you exist." I've never even had any diplomatic relations with half of you, and the other half my relations have been positive.

B but if the workload gets to hard I'm going C alright?

I'd have to agree with Cravan on my wishes not to be raped until it bled.

Well, we're doing something totally different now, the RP is off (I think). Pity really.

I suppose afterwards when GASN has more free time we can pick it up again.

I'm going to get a mod to deat the thread so we can start fresh.

I'm going to get a mod to deat the thread so we can start fresh.

Sounds like a plan to me.

I'm going to get a mod to deat the thread so we can start fresh.

Mei will do it if he's on IRC now; otherwise just go through moderation.

Yeah, As I'd most defanetly be a "B" Due to my CC coach going ballistic this year, and I expect a lot of course work for the whole first term. Maybe something in October/November (around Thanksgiving for those in the US)

Yeah, As I'd most defanetly be a "B" Due to my CC coach going ballistic this year, and I expect a lot of course work for the whole first term. Maybe something in October/November (around Thanksgiving for those in the US)

Perhaps. But Geometry and Spanish know no season. >.< But I'll just shut up and say that only time will tell, since that is the only thing I'm sure about.

Heh. You Americans start doing all the important stuff a year after us :-( Then again, all I need is 4 Cs to get into college... not exactly hard by any stretch...

Heh. You Americans start doing all the important stuff a year after us :-( Then again, all I need is 4 Cs to get into college... not exactly hard by any stretch...

If I slid through school with C's or in some cases even B's, I'd probably be castrated and hung upside down on a tree outside to be left as food for the neighbor's cats.

I suppose it's time for the oldbie to finally get his words in...

I (like some of my senior GASN comrades) am a little irritated by the fact that the only notification of this was an OOC "It's coming, motherfucker!" and all of a sudden it's here.

Now I understand the reasoning for there being absolutely no notification as this is meant to be an uber Shock and Awe campaign to effectively destroy GASN as an entity, however, from what I've seen and been told over the past few weeks was that there is little in the means of a real IC reason for the war, thus it is a mostly OOC-pushed conflict. I, along with a number of the greater oldbies such as Automagfreek and SLAGLands (God love him), learned that going to war ICly for OOC reasons was in really bad taste when we finally disbanded the WMNK Coalition way back in mid-2003. The reason everyone thinks that RPing was better back then (it was by the way!) is because it was all self-moderated and the players were a tight community that knew and respected each other. We knew that when it came to roleplays, we had and took as many liberties as we wanted with playing them out and knew that we were self-restrained enough that if we crossed a boundary, we took a step back and played out the mistake and found a solution to it.

Anyway, while I was looking to ignore this completely because I felt it was in bad taste, I think that if we can plan this out a little better (with the contribution of those that are being attacked! Even if it is nominal.) then I would be glad to play it out with everyone.