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Ok. Let's keep it here. Seperate from the IC. This could be a good RP and I don't want to see it disappear because people can't keep IC and OOC apart. The mixing stops now.

Shaz, don't leave the RP. You haven't been ignored and as one of the larger members of the GASN I doubt you can be ignored.

Jaredcohenia, please keep your OOC comments seperate from IC. What happens OOCly. You could OOCly say you withdrew all support from the GASN and what not, but until an IC post is made proving that, then it doesn't change anything ICly. Thus, the stipulations you listed in your OOC post will have no effect ICly until you make an IC post or two or three RPing the agreements.

I'll debate re-joining and state my official decision either later tonight or tomarrow afternoon. At which time i will either re-post my messages.

Praetonia, it is pretty hard to have any fun when a group of 4 billion+ nations come to a fight like this one, which is small.

You say there wont be any massive invasions or anything, but I've seen the Questarian Commonwealth fight before. Everytime they do anything it involves fleets of 800+ ships and several million soldiers from each nation. :rolleyes:

Jaredcohenia, please keep your OOC comments seperate from IC. What happens OOCly. You could OOCly say you withdrew all support from the GASN and what not, but until an IC post is made proving that, then it doesn't change anything ICly. Thus, the stipulations you listed in your OOC post will have no effect ICly until you make an IC post or two or three RPing the agreements.

kay

i stated in that post what i followed OOC o_O

Zukariaa;11618954']Praetonia, it is pretty hard to have any fun when a group of 4 billion+ nations come to a fight like this one, which is small.

You say there wont be any massive invasions or anything, but I've seen the Questarian Commonwealth fight before. Everytime they do anything it involves fleets of 800+ ships and several million soldiers from each nation. :rolleyes:

Hardly. I think you'll find that if you want to cooperate to make it a better RP, we're very reasonable people. I'm willing to tone down my deployed forces if you find it too overwhelming.

Hardly. I think you'll find that if you want to cooperate to make it a better RP, we're very reasonable people. I'm willing to tone down my deployed forces if you find it too overwhelming.

Questers speaks the truth.

We are finishing up from our own war, so joining this will not be economically feesable now. But we are very willing to provide provisonal aid to any GASN member.

Akiko Mashimo-Vice Prime Minister (In charge untill Prime Minister Romeny returns)

From 800 to 500? Hah.. right.

Plus all of your buddies.

Nah, I'll just not take part in this RP.

Zukariaa;11618426']OOC-I'm just going to say this:

Good job ending a possibly good RP. When people bring in gigantic alliances of 4 billion+ nations into a small conflict, it ruins everything. This wasn't going to be a gigantic war, it was going to be a small conflict to force Fedski out of West Corinthia, where he didn't need to be.

I say we just act like this thread never existed so we can actually RP for once. I don't want to be threatened with rape by Questers and his merry band of gigantic nations just because of ONE SMALL CONFLICT. Settle down and let a nice little fight go through.

There would not have been any nuclear attacks, it's a threat and anyone who takes a nuclear threat worded the way that one was seriously is a moron. No offense, Fedski, but your people apparantly don't have common sense.

Fight. End. Nothing else happens.

That is all I have to say. :|

No it doesn't. You evidently didn't anticipate that, outnumbered 5:1, Saint Fedski would call in allies to help him. That's your fault for anticipating that. I bet Hitler didn't anticipate, in 1933, that the United States of America would invade his sorry ass. But it turns out it did. If you don't evaluate the situation; which is something you could have done quite effectively, it's your fault if you fail.

Um, what? My 'merry band'? That's hilarious. Man, I have to sig that. Thanks, you made my day. No, actually, the cornwall fudge did that... well, that was still great.

His people don't have common sense? Well, neither do yours if you attack a nation with a plethora of 4 billion + allies, which seems to be a marking point for a player to turn into a logical, friendly roleplayer into a beast that is out to ruin other people's day.

EDIT: You realise that 500 is only something like twice the US Navy? And I have.. 22x the population of the USA.

I bet Hitler didn't anticipate, in 1933, that the United States of America would invade his sorry ass.

It's been a while since I took US history, but I'm almost certain that the US really didn't get to Berlin and invade Hitler's sorry ass.

That was left to the Soviets.

>_> Correct me if I'm wrong.

I do belive Berlin was seized by the Soviets, but of course we did take half of Europe, as well as the Soviets

we did take half of Germany.

I do belive Berlin was seized by the Soviets, but of course we did take half of Europe, as well as the Soviets

France, Holland, and a third of West Germany is half of Europe?

Um, Italy and Norway evidently don't count here, then?

Ah fuck it. There is so much I could say, but I don't even care. You've compared me to Hitler(even making historic inaccuracies along the way), assumed I was attacking someone I wasn't, acted as if it is sensible for a peacekeeping force to kill people and not notice an obvious fucking joke, and acted like twice the size of the entire US navy is small.

I don't feel like RPing in something involving nations as large as yourself. They tend to think they can do whatever they want, and I don't want to RP with that.

So, before this turns into a flamefest, I'll take my leave.

We could have taken Berlin of course, we just let the Soviets do it because they seemed a lot more willing to take the losses. And we don't like commies in America.

I think we're getting distracted....

If I'm in Shazbotdom's side, whos also siding with me? I want to know my allies before committing another dumb threat.

We are finishing up from our own war, so joining this will not be economically feesable now. But we are very willing to provide provisonal aid to any GASN member.

Akiko Mashimo-Vice Prime Minister (In charge untill Prime Minister Romeny returns)
[OOC: Just for the record Kanami, this is the OOC thread, not the IC thread.]

Zukariaa;11619170']Ah fuck it. There is so much I could say, but I don't even care. You've compared me to Hitler(even making historic inaccuracies along the way), assumed I was attacking someone I wasn't, acted as if it is sensible for a peacekeeping force to kill people and not notice an obvious fucking joke, and acted like twice the size of the entire US navy is small.

I don't feel like RPing in something involving nations as large as yourself. They tend to think they can do whatever they want, and I don't want to RP with that.

So, before this turns into a flamefest, I'll take my leave.

Let's examine the forces arrayed against you by the Commonwelth, shall we?

Velkyan Air Division x 2

Superdreadnought Battlegroup (Under 100 vessels) x 1

...

Oh yes, I can certainly see how this is an overwhelming display of force...

EDIT: And twice the size of the US Navy in RL is small in NS terms. Hell, that's tiny compared to what any decent nation over about 1 Billion pop actually has.

2nd Edit: Okay, so roughyly double the US Navy's RL strength is, say, 400 vessels. 400. When I was at 1 Billion, I had more than that number in a single Naval Theatre. Your average 1 Billion or even less pop should have that as standard, for crying out loud...

Hell, I'm about twice the size of the Cold War US and am attempting personally to get to an 850-ship navy. Compare that with the marginally smaller 600-ship navy the US wanted to get to at half my nation size. (Did I really just say that?)

If I'm in Shazbotdom's side, whos also siding with me? I want to know my allies before committing another dumb threat.
Shazbotdom also quit. This whole RP is a farce. II in general is a farce.

Oh great, so everyon will withdraw their threats and we'll all go home and pretend it never happened...i was looking foward to a pissible nuclear attack, you don't often get the chance to get away with it :D

Every non-war RP always seems to end like this. People confuse IC with OOC and then whichever side thinks it might lose (usually both, but this time only one) just ignores the whole RP to avoid taking losses.

Meh...

Although OOCly, I've said I ain't going to get involved, I just might do so as no one else has the bollocks to.

Who outta the questers alliance is up for me declaring war on em, and launching a couple of high altitude bombing attacks?

I'm not fussed as to where it goes, although I'd rather you didn't ransack my capital.

I would but ICly im only saying i'll attack people on the non-questers side who use nukes. That and i can't be bothered to RP a war atm(i really shouldn't be posting now the ammount of school work i have to do) but i reckon someone will. Prae wants a good RP ;)

To tell you the truth Prae, ICly, I was trying to prevent any actual conflict, as it would have drawn me in, and I'd rather not RP a war at the moment, and I always find it funny that people go spastic over threats, not to say I haven't done my fair share of that ICly...

Shazbotdom also quit. This whole RP is a farce. II in general is a farce.

Why don't you read my post in here?

I said i would debate rejoining this RP. I will make my decision a little later.

Well Shaz, I sent your gov a message in the IC thread.

Why don't you read my post in here?

I said i would debate rejoining this RP. I will make my decision a little later.
Yes you said you would consider rejoining which means that until (if) you decide to rejoin, you have quit, yes?

If I'm in Shazbotdom's side, whos also siding with me? I want to know my allies before committing another dumb threat.

If you're in his side? Well, probably the thorns.

IC:ly, I think I should go and back Shaz up... I'm in CIN also, so its Madnestan's duty to help a fellow member who's being attacked. Or if a horde of nations start threathening a fellow member when he is trying to protect some small nation's sovereignity and right to decide what countries can have troops in it, like in this case.

Just ain't sure if this RP would be worth the trouble of posting...

Yes Leocardia I did read your posts and blatantly saw that you avoided saying you would not use nukes, you merely pulled them out as first strike capability, and left them for when you wanted when war started. And my government called you on it.

Here's my thoughts on this whole situation. I've long since learned that if I want a decent war RP, I need to TG my opponent and start a dialogue so that any misunderstandings are cleared up or avoided entirely. Methinks those who threatened to attack (this "CIN" and "GASN") didn't even try, elsewise they would have known that Fedski was a Commonwealth nation.

As for the nukes threatened by Leocardia, I've made my thoughts on that perfectly clear. However, I'll elaborate further. If you can't defeat a nation or group of allies conventionally, it's pretty much a sure bet they can deal with WMD you can throw at them and return fire with overwhelming force.

Frankly, I think this entire thing is silly. The GASN is entirely over-reacting for a simple blue-on-blue and has, in my opinion, set unreasonable demands and time limits on Saint Fedski while threatening to do the same thing to SF that the GASN is accusing the Commonwealth of doing. I'd like to crush you all beneath my boot, but Doomingsland is less annoying and a far more interesting RP challenge.

Although, I'll admit it's not the whole GASN. I am at a rather good disposition (OOC and IC) to several members of the alliance and they have proved themselves to be good RPers.

Like me, but generally the RP got screwed over for other reasons, as all West Corinthia had asked for was help to remove SF from his lands, and threats got thrown around to make that happen, and SF went overboard ICly, and besides that, I don't really know. All I wanted was to not have a war, as I can't get a decent amount of time straight anyways to get through something I'm writing, and besides that, I've got too many nations that I'm either allied with, or have good relations with to go to war with the commonwealth.

The thing I hate is, like Scandavian said, many people have taken it out of proportions. I posted once, and made a simple request (politely worded and all) that SF heed the wishes of the WC government or a minor military conflict would occur to push them out. I wouldn't mount some massive invasion or anything... Just act more as a repo-man. Or something along those lines. What any sane nation would do in a situation such as this. Nuclear bombardment is blasphemy in the internation community IRL, and usually would result in the agressor being levelled by any nation with the capability. People on NS throw them around like kids throw water balloons. If they'd take the threat seriously and understand that even threats of war are major issues, these RPs wouldn't descend into wankfests.

One thing I hate is how most of the GASN members run around toting their membership like a badge... It isn't, and it shouldn't be like that. GASN was designed as a collective defense pact similiar to NATO, but allowing the members freedom to still carry out their own RPs. That, and it isn't half of what many other organizations are. But I feel it's when this happens the organization gets the label "Gay Ass Shitfaced (I substituted, but something like that) N00bs." Always one or a few bad apples who spoil the entire basket's image. Hence why I hate collectivisation/Communism in general. If you want to punish, go for the individual. Pinning it on the entire organization is the easy way out. What if I said the Commonwealth was a bunch of world policing pricks (just an example, since really I have the utmost respect for most of you and you aren't world policing pricks) for the actions of two or three nations? Would you all take kindly to such words just because a few people pissed me off and I slapped a label on all of you? I'm ashamed to be affiliated with the GASN sometimes, particularly since I'm the founder.

Frankly I wouldn't mind being in the GASN, except that certain members had to pull this crap. While I understand the reasonability of Craven's request, I must point out that there is no such thing as a minor war in NS; any conflict would have eventually been brought to the GASN members responsibile for the simple fact that Saint Fedski and the rest of the Commonwealth would have treated it like the war it was.

And I grow tired of all this. As such, I've drawn a line in the sand in hopes of forcing this back to the diplomatic tables. I note that some GASN nations have stated reservations about fighting nations that can deploy several hundred warships, in which case you really don't want to mix it up with me (or Omz, Prae, Hogsweat, etc.) It's your chance to back down and continue this dispute peacefully, I would suggest to Craven that he takes his subordinates aside and has them evaluate their priorities.

I think this is all going to boil down, i don't see anyone making a first move and if conflict happened it would probably be closed/semi-open between no more than 3-4 nations because or else people are afraid that if they enter the IC then they'l get destroyed because they can't trust all their alliance mates. I personally don't want to get involved purely because its a lot of effort to watch about 50 posts and only one of them has any relevance to you...

Whats more it would be crazy RP'ing with Questers, Praes and Omz's navy's all milling about, let alone the countless other ones and thousands of planes!

The first move was made. Asgarnieu violated the exclusion zone. Military aircraft are inbound towards the SF occupied part of West Corinthia and the SF fleet near Kahanistan.

SF has responded.

I've no problem with fighting large nations most of the time (As long as there is communication OOCly as far as how far I or my opponent is willing to allow the war to escalate... I never liked large-scale high-stakes wars for some reason.), it's just this mess has put me in a few tight spots. Like Illior, I'm on pretty good terms with alot of the Commonwealth, and allied to some members through other organizations. (Such as ISAF or GDI) I've actually considered requesting membership in the SL, but decided against it when this all started. (Speaking of I need to talk to either Questers or someone else... I've a bone to pick with one of my members who was badmouthing the SL, and I don't know who it was. And I doubt they'll just come forward.) We've been discussing it on the forum for quite some time as to our priorities in this whole shitstorm of a mess, but really aren't getting anywhere. Hopefully I can have the new charter passed quickly and quietly eject those members who are either inactive or causing trouble... Hopefully few of the latter, since I don't want to get on anyone's bad side OOCly.

Hopefully I can get some priorities to be changed by some of my members... If not, the list of those to be ejected just gets a little larger when Charter 2.0 rolls out.

Note to All, There's a flight of Illiorian aircraft soon to be coming in to WC, humanitarian only, I posted it twice, once in the Questers thread, and once in the IC, responses from SF and WC would be appreciated.

I've decided to rejoin.

I am reposting all my messages, although i won't post anything new till tomarrow.

Excellent to hear

'Ats the spirit, Shaz!

Damn Database Error interrupted me...now to finish reposting....

There was an OOC thread???

I hate those fucking things. My advice is to copy and paste your post into a txt file before hitting the reply button.

Ok, when a nation threatens or even says they might use nuclear weapons there is a massive outcry among nations. However when another nation creates an exclusion zone outside its boarders there is no outcry at all? Now I do understand that there is a difference between nukes and an exclusion zone. In my opinion SF has severely overstepped his bounds by imposing an exclusion zone and then destroying nonaggressive aircraft. By what legal right dose he have to declare that an exclusion zone? Its not inside his country, its not he has agreed upon with some allies. He is claiming he has the right to control international water and the right to control airspace above WC. I don’t care if it only applies to national enemies declared under his law. His law has no authority over international water or the sovereignty of another nation. SF refuses to give his general to WC for trial and that is his right as he is not bound by the laws of another country. Yet he wants and is not forcing other nations to obey his nations laws. Even if he were an ally of mine I would be saying this and telling him to back off. This has nothing to do with side but everything to do with commonsense. Everyone wants a good RP but stuff like this is just plain stupid. If he wants to exclude a nations people, aircraft, and ships from entering territory that he own that is fine and within his rights. But to declare international water out of bounds to another nation is too much. I want to hear what the commonwealth thinks about this exclusion zone. And if they think its legit and if they intend to support what comes as a result of this.

If we are going to have a little war then lets make it a good one.

Axis Nova will pay 100 million dollars or equivalent in gold to the first merchantman to successfully violate SF's "exclusion zone" and get out again in one piece-- preferably with popup universal turrets.

edit: ignore this, mistook this for the IC thread and clicked too fast

First of all, do you know the difference between IC and OOC? Begging people OOCly to recognise that an IC nations policies are completely stupid is like flogging a dead horse. I believe in the philosphies of 'black and white' and 'tough love' and thus RP my nation in a similar fashion. Yes I agree that in the real world that kind of diplomacy is either outdated or just plain stupid but NS it just adds to the differences among the nations and adds depth and conflict of interest to the story that we all are writing.

If he wants to exclude a nations people, aircraft, and ships from entering territory that he own that is fine and within his rights. But to declare international water out of bounds to another nation is too much.

And thus the cause of the conflict. Of course SF has no right to impose those limits but it did and if your nation doesn't like it, then we have a conflict. Such a conflict has already begun with the SF-Asgarnieu encounter. This is not real life. Some things here are completely whack, thus the difference between real life and NS.

Axis Nova will pay 100 million dollars or equivalent in gold to the first merchantman to successfully violate SF's "exclusion zone" and get out again in one piece-- preferably with popup universal turrets.

The exclusion zone is for three nations: Jaredcohenia, Asgarnieu, Leocardia and is only for military vessels and aircraft.

[OOC: SF, TG response please.]

Yeah, this is the wrong place to be complaining about it. Make a protest in the IC thread and claim that his actions are illegal and unjustified.

And Axis Nova, that offer should be put in IC thread.

Well, no matter what happens, 'one of us' are going to have to sit back and take it, and stop the escalation.

It takes two to fight.
And right now we have over 15...

If the exclusion zone is not for me then how come your fighter are coming to intercept mine?

If you look in the other OOC thread, you will see I have already answered that question. It is a mix up ICly. As in my characters, who are not perfect, made a mistake. I know OOCly what I did.

Oh, good, crap.

I already activated my agents.

Might want to get your capitol into lockdown now...

Also, another IC mishap. It would be solved eventually.

To GASN members (west C. in particular)
And lastly, is there really a warrant out for this person's arrest?

Or did I jump to far too fast again?

[OOC: Scandavian States, telegram.]

Its tempting to fly a couple of spy planes over leocardia...i think a possible future RP there, once i get my navy, air force and Army completely kitted out (so pretty much no...:P).

However, we shall resist as it would lead to ownage on a scale unknown (to noobs....no-one else)

BTW Saint Fedski, theres another OOC thread??

You have the 'Passing of a Monarch' which was the original thread. An OOC thread was made for that. Questers then created a loose spinoff, 'Questers issues Commonwealth Call to Arms', so that he could get attention drawn to the call. After all the OOC/IC mixing BS I decided to create an OOC thread simply for the discussion and debate on the QC's involvement and the future of the RP.

[OOC: Scandavian States, telegram. And as for the QC, I fail to see why not. Besides, SF could use a couple of allies or two to balance out the equation seeing as he's heavily outnumbered.]

hehe SEA..I just got a nice idea. TG.