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We, The Holy Church of Gaurdiani Di Anima (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497169), are in need of some quality weapons at a good price. We need light and heavy infantry weapons as well as lightly armoured vehicles.

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What would the best rifle for MT be?

I personally reccommend the M25 HVAR. Its incredible penetrating power makes it useful against even the most heavily armored infantry, as well as personnel carriers. Low-velocity rounds are also available if you are faced with a military that does not believe in heavy infantry protection. The integral SmartGun system provides excellent accuracy, even when fired from the hip.

If you are interested in a sniper system, the M220 is an excellent choice. Although the M210's 13mm round provides superior penetration and range, the M220 is lighter, and can be used by single operatives. In addition, the weapon can be far more easily silenced, and includes optional reducing ports to ensure absolute silence.

At the far end of what could possibly be called a rifle is the M250 Godslayer Anti Materiel Weapon. Using a massive 60mm dual-stage gyrojet round, it is the largest antimateriel weapon on the market, and is even useful against heavily armored targets such as MBTs when used properly.

If you need aircraft, check out Illiorian Arms Lpc (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495587)

Merando Military Company. I think its on the 3rd page.

Merando, do you have a link?

imported_Illior, I will look into it when i am organizing my airforce.

Otagia, i was thinking more anti-personel. nothing stronger then that should be needed.

Illior, I will look into it when i am organizing my airforce.


(((I'm just a Little Picky about it, but it's Illior, Jolt just screwed up)))
K, and There's a Sniper/ Anti Material Rifle in there too if you want some of those.

Merando Military Company
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497701

Merando Military Company
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497701

Thank you.

(((I'm just a Little Picky about it, but it's Illior, Jolt just screwed up)))
K, and There's a Sniper/ Anti Material Rifle in there too if you want some of those.

Hey im in the same postition, i know how it is. I can't even get an account for my nation.

I will take a look.

Otagia, i was thinking more anti-personel. nothing stronger then that should be needed.

While the standard 6mm high velocity round used by the M25 suffers slightly when dealing with unprotected infantry, the alternate round utilizes a heavier slug (10 grams) and a slightly smaller charge, preventing overpenetration and maximising tissue damage.

We, The Holy Church of Gaurdiani Di Anima (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497169), are in need of some quality weapons at a good price. We need light and heavy infantry weapons as well as lightly armoured vehicles.

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Has a storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476754)

Has:
Armored vehicles
Planes
Guns (big and small)

Offers perhaps the largest man portable sniper rifle on NS.
35 x 203 mm

And all at bargain prices.

(it ain't tissue penetration that kills, it is the wound diameter, caused when the bullet flips over after hitting something [the 7.62 x 39 didn't do too well at this, even compared to a 9 mm pistol])

Offers perhaps the largest man portable sniper rifle on NS.
35 x 203 mm
OOC: Mine's bigger. :P

Let me guess, 40 mm Bofors?
(I don't include PGMs, these are simple bullets, no rockets)

But then, how do you carry it with only one man?

All your storefronts will be looked at, no need to compete. (although it does help me pass the time) I looking for feasability, i don't realy need to spend thousands of dollors so that my gun can debone a chicken (slight exageration)

Looks...

60 x ? mm

How short is it if it has to fit in that puny action?

Oh, it is a rocket launcher, like a precision RPG-7, meh...
This round is propelled out of the barrel at low speeds by a small initial charge, which also serves to ignite a rocket engine in the rear of the round. The round accelerates in mid-air, reaching speeds of up to five times the speed of sound

RPG-7s fired 95 to 125 mm projectiles proppeled by a 40 mm rocket motor (though not as accurate I'll admit) Wind would still mess with your aim...

The only heavy sniper rifle you have is 13 mm...

It's technically a smoothbore antimateriel weapon, not a sniper rifle, but it serves the same purpose as your weapon. After all, you don't shoot humans with 30mm rounds. Anyway, the round isn't as short as you might expect, as the ejection port is merely for the preliminary charge, which launches the round out of the barrel. 300mm about, IIRC.

Also, it's technically not a rocket launcher, no more than the Mk II was (OK, so it's officially labeled as a rocket pistol, but there's still a difference). The rounds aren't really more expensive than conventional ammunition, as they really just have a slower burning (and larger) charge and a slightly more complicated rim. That and it's quieter and stealthier than a conventional bullet.
But then, how do you carry it with only one man?
You don't. Operate in two man teams, one carrying the gun, the other carrying the ammunition and spotting. Like most snipers in that regard.

I've seen people shoot people with 203 mm cannons...

I've heard many stories of what a 37 mm tank round would do to a human being if it hits a man just right, in all its detail. It really happens. Ask the tankers from Bataan.

In one RP, I fired a 16" railgun at a man charging it with a muzzle action payload round, known during the Vietnam war as 'beehive'.

In another RP I used the CC-35C in Pelsgord, Chitzeland to snipe the advancing Parthians and ruin their equipment, such as assault rifles, small one man mortars, etc.

If you happen to be in the way, tough.

This isn't Hauge, or Geneva. Get used to it.

A belt buckle counts as "material", those Ma Dueces aren't on top of those tanks to look pretty, and their pretty useless against planes when there are no planes.

But they do great against people.
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As for portability, if you can't drag it yourself, it isn't a small arm.

Spotters/gunners get killed, and you get into a lot of trouble if you leave that stuff behind.

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Still, it's quite wasteful when a simple 6mm slug would work just fine. The beehive round is excellent, but as Skippy says, "' GUNNER, SABOT, SNIPER' is not a valid use of ammunition." There's far better things to use that big, expensive bullet for than shooting at infantry an M220 could handle without a problem.

In another RP I used the CC-35C in Pelsgord, Chitzeland to snipe the advancing Parthians and ruin their equipment, such as assault rifles, small one man mortars, etc.
OK, the bolded part strikes me as just plain wasteful. Why shoot a soldier's rifle when you can shoot the soldier himself? Really, each and every one of them carries one of the things, blowing up their easily replacable assault rifles just seems silly.

those Ma Dueces aren't on top of those tanks to look pretty, and their pretty useless against planes when there are no planes.
Which is why it's considered a multipurpose weapon. You don't shoot trucks or people with the 120mm cannon, and you don't shoot tanks with the .50 cal.

As for portability, if you can't drag it yourself, it isn't a small arm.

Spotters/gunners get killed, and you get into a lot of trouble if you leave that stuff behind.
When they're a full kilometer away from their target like they're supposed to be, survival rates tend to go up. Anyway, you're telling me that one man can carry not only your gun but enough two-and-a-half pound shells to keep himself supplied, not to mention armor, supplies, optics, etc? I sincerely doubt it. There is a reason the Army uses two man teams for AMRs.

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Still, it's quite wasteful when a simple 6mm slug would work just fine. The beehive round is excellent, but as Skippy says, "' GUNNER, SABOT, SNIPER' is not a valid use of ammunition." There's far better things to use that big, expensive bullet for than shooting at infantry an M220 could handle without a problem.

Ah, but the 16" gun also knocked out a few tanks...
(and those where mines inside that shell, not real beehive, another two fired discarding sabot artillery shells, but still added to the effect )

And the 35 mm guns just engaged what they could and were able to destroy, since Parthian tanks are fairly thick skinned critters for a lil 35 mm.
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The big thing I don't like stressing, is that those are instances of desperation, since the 16" gun was fired to halt an almost fatal charge that otherwise would have overrun the position. The resaulting blast shook the enemy sufficiently off balance to allow a successful counter-attack, temporarily saving the base, even though outnumbered roughly a platoon against an entire battalion, plus air supiriority.

The 35 mm guns were used simply because that was all they could use and expect to live, since the whole city was on fire, eventually sinking/flooding, and something had to destroy their engineering equipment and their heavily gaurded personel before the objective was lost and to save the lives of many soldiers.

OK, the bolded part strikes me as just plain wasteful. Why shoot a soldier's rifle when you can [I]shoot the soldier himself? Really, each and every one of them carries one of the things, blowing up their easily replacable assault rifles just seems silly.

Since when does a 10 pound assault rifle stop a 35 mm HE frag shell?
Remember, hes holdinging onto that gun with his hands, and most likely has it shouldered near the face, it isn't the bullets fault if it happens to miss the rifle and hit the man.
It's the effort that keeps it legal.

Which is why it's considered a multipurpose weapon. You don't shoot trucks or people with the 120mm cannon, and you don't shoot tanks with the .50 cal.
.38 Polish Anti-tank Rifle, and yeah, the Isrealis shot foxholes with their main tank guns (AT shells no less, because they expected tanks, not infantry) during an ambush during the 6 day war, the Saggers ripped them to pieces that day.

All I had to prove is that troops are willing to shoot people with large caliber shells, especialy when one must go against PMT armor with this MT equipment.
(as often is the case if you don't recognize the physics in the battle)

Yep, these'll carve through mech-suits...

When they're a full kilometer away from their target like they're supposed to be, survival rates tend to go up. Anyway, you're telling me that one man can carry not only your gun but enough two-and-a-half pound shells to keep himself supplied, not to mention armor, supplies, optics, etc? I sincerely doubt it. There is a reason the Army uses two man teams for AMRs.
Tell that to my snipers that got hit upside the head with 105 mm tank shells.

The gunner should still be able to lift/aim his own gun without assistance.
The spotter gets to worry about everything else, such as ammo supply.

I tend to keep the Ammo/gun wieght down to 80 pounds per person, then add 40 pounds of non-combat essentials.

Being able to climb a tree or ladder with your gun is anothe plus...
Since high ground usually wins.

And what is this armor you speak of, they are infantrymen, not walking tanks...

HT: Your 35mm "gun" is never going to be single man portable it is easily going to be in the 35-40kg region, if not significantly heavier as would be required to tame the recoil of that sort of ammo, i also really don't see anyone carrying a 40kg 2m long gun up a tree.

Have you ever stopped to think about the amount of energy involved in a 35x208mm round? in terms of pure muzzle velocity you would be talking 5-10times that of any existing weapon and while muzzle energy does not always directly relate to recoil impulse in this case it likely would as you have a projectile about 10times the weight of most 20mm rounds. To be blunt a full power 35mm round is more than a little pointless for AMR work, 30mm is only useful if you are basically using medium velocity OCSW/ACSW style "grenade" rounds.

31337 soup:
My Appologies for adding to the off topic banter.
Anyway if you really want the absolute best assault rifle currently availble on NS then you want the Crookfur Consultancies SX23A1:

SX23A1 Caseless Assault rifle

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/SX23A1basic.jpg

Round: 6.6x48mm Caseless
Rate of fire: 800rpm
Barrel length: 550mm
Rifle twist: 1/5.5inchs
Overall length: 1190mm (stock extended)/ 940mm(stock folded)
Weight (gun empty): 3.8kg
Magazine capacity: 30rounds
Fire modes: Safe/Semi/Full Auto

Mechanism description:
Uses a falling breach block mechanism, similar to that of the Steyr ACR and G11 PDW. From an empty, uncocked gun the magazine is inserted and the charging handle worked. This lowers the breach block and pushes a round backwards from the magazine, when the round has been fed the breach block is moved upwards into the firing position in line with the barrel and the hammer cocked, the gun is now ready for firing. On pulling the trigger the hammer is released firing the round and a portion of the propellant gas drives a gas blow back mechanism to lower the breach block, load it, raise it and recock the hammer. A portion of the propellant gas is also used to drive forward a weighted piston under the barrel, the movement of this piston is synchronised with the main mechanism and is designed to counteract the recoil forces generated by the rearward movement of the mechanism. A further device is installed so that when a magazine runs dry the weapon mechanism pauses with the breach block in the down position and the feeding leaver ready to load another round, on insertion of a fresh magazine the loading action is completed. This “hold open” system can be disengaged by working the charging handle to uncock the weapon In the event of a misfire or dud the unfired round is pushed out of the rear of the chamber and ejected from the bottom of the weapon by a manual cocking of the weapon.

Rifle Construction:
Most of the body is manufactured from high grade polymer with most components of the mechanism being milled from steel or high grade titanium alloys, the barrel consists of a lightweight titanium overwrap with a Molybdenum-Rhenium (Mo-Re) liner for increased service life and general wear resistance.

Gun Features:
The SX23A1 features a highly effective muzzle brake which acts to reduce felt recoil by as much as 35%, this combined with the “balanced” action system and the already acceptable recoil forces of the ammunition make the rifle very comfortable to shoot. In terms of modularity the SX23A1 features the latest version of Crookfur's advanced Rail Interface System (RIS). Known as Smart-RIS (SRIS), not only does it allow power to be supplied any compatible device from a large high capacity battery in the pistol grip but it allows attached “smart” devices such as as aiming systems and programmable grenade launchers to interface with one another without the need for additional wiring.
Finally standard equipment for the SX23A1 includes a bayonet mounting point, 4x Combat sight with iron sight backup, and a threaded barrel can be revealed by removing the muzzle brake allowing the use of suppressors and silencers.

Ammunition:
The SX23A1 uses the new advanced 6.6x48mm CFC caseless round. Standard loading is a 130grain boat tailed FMJ round that offers exceptional performance out to more than 780m (round is super sonic to about 1000m) Alternative loadings include a reduced recoil 113grain round or an extended range Penetration Performance Improved (PPI) 150grain round.

In all its loadings 6.6x48mm CFC outperforms 7.62x51mm ammunition in terms of penetration and effective range whilst still retaining more than acceptable recoil levels.

Price: $1150
Options:
Full fixed stock in place of folding stock : $100
M371 Digital sight: $1750
AM5A3 20mm Multi role tactical launcher: $650
AM3A5 40mm grenade launcher. $550


Alternatively if you don't feel quite ready for the Caseless revolution there is the S1A5 Assault Rifle

The S1A5 Evolved Assault rifle

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/CFARS1A5.jpg
Round: 6.25x43mm
Weight: 4.7kg (empty magazine)
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Length: 790mm
Barrel length: 570mm
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Max effective range: 600m (with sight).
Add-ons: Equipped as standard with 4x SUSAT optical sight and back up iron sights, these can be replaced with just about any other sighting system using the Rail Interface System (RIS).
Forward hand guard rails can accept juts about any grenade launcher including the M203.

The S1A5 is the very latest version of the Crookfur S1 assault rifle, one of the first major weapons system to use an intermediate cartridge. Using the almost ballistically optimum 6.25x43mm round, which offers performance vastly superior to 5.56mm NATO and at certain ranges in excess of that offered by 7.62x51mm NATO yet balanced by recoil barely more than that generated by 5.56mm NATO, the S1A5 offers exceptional accuracy whilst being a very comfortable rifle to use.
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Costs:
Rifle with SUSAT sight: $900
Unlimited production rights(rifle only):$85million
Unlimited production rights (rifle and ammo): $150million
Royalty fee based production rights (up to 3000units per year): Upfront $8million plus $60 per rifle produced (ammo rights included).
Royalty fee based production rights (over 3000units per year): Upfront $10million plus $40 per rifle produced (ammo rights included).

The S1A5 also has a light machine gun version the S2A5 if you are interested.

Ammo data:
Standard Ammo:
Bullet weight:6.48g (100grains)
Muzzle velocity:817m/s (2680fps)
Muzzle energy:2161J
Ultimate (composite cased)
Bullet weight:6.6g (102grains)
Muzzle velocity:840m/s (2760fps)
Muzzle energy:2329J

The MTW-07, released late last night, its an amazing assault rifle and we would be willing to make a deal with you for a special export version if your order is large enough.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497796

It is better than Crookfurs SX23A1 in our opinion, as it has a larger mazgazine capacity, is shorter, MUCH more advanced with its new ammunition and a great modular design as well as being extremely capable with the ML-21 grenade launcher, a grenade launcher which can do more than any other grenade launcher you'l find. We can also change the caliber to suit your needs better if so needed which can intergrate it better with your allies weapons.

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The MTW-07, released late last night, its an amazing assault rifle and we would be willing to make a deal with you for a special export version if your order is large enough.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497796

It is better than Crookfurs SX23A1 in our opinion, as it has a larger mazgazine capacity, is shorter, MUCH more advanced with its new ammunition and a great modular design as well as being extremely capable with the ML-21 grenade launcher, a grenade launcher which can do more than any other grenade launcher you'l find. We can also change the caliber to suit your needs better if so needed which can intergrate it better with your allies weapons.

If you need tanks then Kriegzimmers Nakil is a pretty impressive machine, im going to make it my primary MBT soon.

Actually you rifle does suffer notably in contrast to the SX23A1: Your magazine capacity would be lower than quoted judging from your image, caseless ammo does tend to be slightly wider compared to simialr cased ammo and since you are using a cubic form you are goign to be having difficulties with implementing a twin stack feeding system. The ammuntion used is to be honest not any better than 5.56mm NATO and can't be compared to any intermediate cartridge cased or caseless in terms of perfromance as for you loading these are mostly cases of wishful thinking.
In terms of modularlity i don't see any imporvement over any existing assault rifle as your grendade launcher and sight system modularity is soemthing that has been extremely common since the adoption of the Mil-std-1913 RIS, a system over which the Crookfur S-RIS makes the 1st real improvements.

Your grenade launcher doesn't do anything a modern 40mm system can't.

There are some other issues with the design, most notably in terms of the additional ammo supply systems for the LSW varient.

The big thing I don't like stressing, is that those are instances of desperation, since the 16" gun was fired to halt an almost fatal charge that otherwise would have overrun the position. The resaulting blast shook the enemy sufficiently off balance to allow a successful counter-attack, temporarily saving the base, even though outnumbered roughly a platoon against an entire battalion, plus air supiriority.
Last ditch efforts are poor examples of the utility of weapons. Hell, I can kill a man by dropping a tank on him just as easily as shooting him with the main gun. Does that mean it's a good idea? No, no it doesn't.


Since when does a 10 pound assault rifle stop a 35 mm HE frag shell?
Remember, hes holdinging onto that gun with his hands, and most likely has it shouldered near the face, it isn't the bullets fault if it happens to miss the rifle and hit the man.
It's the effort that keeps it legal.
Since when has anyone on NS worried about legality? AFAIK, there's no Geneva Convention to worry about here, and unless you're a member of the UN (which I'm not), there are no restrictions on what you can and cannot use.


.38 Polish Anti-tank Rifle, and yeah, the Isrealis shot foxholes with their main tank guns (AT shells no less, because they expected tanks, not infantry) during an ambush during the 6 day war, the Saggers ripped them to pieces that day.
We're talking about the wz. 35 here? The one that only gets 15mm RHA penetration? Bloody useless against modern tanks. Hell, useless against modern APCs a lot of the time. And again, using it as a last resort doesn't mean it's a particularily good idea, especially when you're carrying only about thirty of these shells.


Being able to climb a tree or ladder with your gun is anothe plus...
Since high ground usually wins.
With anything bigger than an XM-109, climbing trees is probably out of the question anyway.

And what is this armor you speak of, they are infantrymen, not walking tanks...
Ever wear a flak jacket? The things are NOT light, and armor systems such as Dragon Skin aren't much better. For Level IV protection, you're probably looking at at least 10 kg, and that's just for your torso.

My men don't wear armor. Period.
Their armor is the battlefield.

The reason why is after quickly looking at the weapons being used on NS, the armor they must wear to stay alive.

I decided it was best to go more basic on them.

(killing people by running them over with a tank is not a last ditch effort)

And in pite of these 'failings' my troops inflicted loses entirely out of proportion to what the 'should have'.
those 40 men killed 2,500 men and 50 tanks... and my men are armed with M-16s, and the enemy was armored with level IV or better body armor [5.56 mm ammo actually bounced off their face shields].

And yes, I did stop and think about the recoil, my men love/hate it depending on their target. But the preffer their selective fire 14.5 mm sniper rifles fr now.

Well, that makes things easier for me. Note to self: If ever fighting HT, use extra KoloBac...

EDIT: While running someone over with a tank might not be, dropping one out of the back of a C-130 on them most certainly is. ;)

It is even worse if you miss...

But if you land on some enemy and kill them with your para-tanks, that is considered a comedy relief bonus.

You get more 'points' if you can pull it off in your next RP...

Well, I'd try, but Otagia is rather neutral for the most part. Haven't fought a war since the Doomingsland invasion of Phaethos. Still, if I have a chance I'll pull it off (I even know exactly how I'm going to do it).

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OOC: I guess this is on topic as it could help decide what Assault rifle to get.

Firstly, caseless ammo takes up much less room, the concept is that it is as wide as normal cased ammo, but then is a cuboid therefore filling the gaps left by the round ammunition, just like in the HK G11. For example of an NS weapon i'd say look at Kriegzimmer's best rifle.

Secondly, since when did you ever get a grenade launcher capable of doing the job of a flame thrower?? So yeah, it can, which means your troops don't need a flame thrower/napalm rocket system.

With regards to the ammunition, i suggest you read it before you say its no better than Rl stuff. For one thing, because the rounds are in a cuboid shape it means more propellant charge which means that the increased muzzle velocity is produced, higher than a standard NATO 5.56mm round can achieve in a barrel of that length. Also NATO 5.56mm does not explode(its illegal under RL UN law), it does not use DU tips which, if you knew anything about DU, sharpen themselves upon impact and also create immense heat, much more so than steel or tungsten, which is why DU rounds are used in tank AP rounds. Not only this, but there are NO RL equivalents of the BRX-141 night vision round, and also the BR-114 Improved Tracer round doesn't go and muck up your own soldiers night vision, unlike NATO rounds are known to do. So yeah, you were saying...

As for the LSW, i changed one word for the LSW variant just now, from drum to box. Problem solved, its not like you couldn't say ICly that after testing the drum didn't work so only boxes worked and so you now only use them.

And what is meant by "as for you loading these are mostly cases of wishful thinking."?

OOC: I guess this is on topic as it could help decide what Assault rifle to get.

Firstly, caseless ammo takes up much less room, the concept is that it is as wide as normal cased ammo, but then is a cuboid therefore filling the gaps left by the round ammunition, just like in the HK G11. For example of an NS weapon i'd say look at Kriegzimmer's best rifle.

Actually your ammo would be slightly wider, particularly if you are using HK style telescoped ammo (where the bullet is inside the propellant) and while the space usage of cuboid caseless ammo compared to conventional ammo is the better in a single stack appilcation it doesn't work out quite so well in a double stack application, particualrly as the feeding system would be more complicated, for a 40roudn single stack magazine you would need to have soemthign about 1.5times the length of a standard M16 mag.


Secondly, since when did you ever get a grenade launcher capable of doing the job of a flame thrower?? So yeah, it can, which means your troops don't need a flame thrower/napalm rocket system.

Except you are going to get bugger all napalm in a 30mm grenade, at those sorts of volumes White phosphorus works much better, and low and behold there are planty of different 40mm WP grenades around. although sayign that there is a russian 35mm incendiary "grenade" system about but i never became terriably popular


With regards to the ammunition, i suggest you read it before you say its no better than Rl stuff. For one thing, because the rounds are in a cuboid shape it means more propellant charge which means that the increased muzzle velocity is produced, higher than a standard NATO 5.56mm round can achieve in a barrel of that length.

Well even using your revised muzzle velocity you are still only getting 2100joules, which while an improvement isn't quite there yet. Oh and you are simply not getting that kind of velocity out of a 360mm barrel, no matter how much extra propellant you claim to have as you don't have room for it to burn, if you want that kidn of velocity from a small calibre round you will need at least 20"/508mm barrel


Also NATO 5.56mm does not explode(its illegal under RL UN law), it does not use DU tips which, if you knew anything about DU, sharpen themselves upon impact and also create immense heat, much more so than steel or tungsten, which is why DU rounds are used in tank AP rounds. Not only this, but there are NO RL equivalents of the BRX-141 night vision round, and also the BR-114 Improved Tracer round doesn't go and muck up your own soldiers night vision, unlike NATO rounds are known to do. So yeah, you were saying...

Yet "explosively fragmenting" 5.56mm ammo does exist and it doesn't rely on a deflagrating low explosive which magically isn't ignited by the tempreatures that exist in the barrel of the weapon which are likely higher than any generated by impact with a target.

Yes DU is pyrophoric but this doesn't do much to enhance the armour penetration, just the after armour effects, as for the sharpening effect i haven't seen any evidence to suggest this happens otuside of the energy levels associated with the impact between at least medium calibre APFSDS rounds and tank armour.

There are already 5.56mm rounds available which out perform projectiles with tungsten and DU cores, they are made of monolithic blocks of steel

Personally I doubt that your BRX-141 would have any effect on enemy night vision systems and you don't expalin how it achives it's delayed ignition I am of course willign to be proven wrong if you can coem up some eveidence to support your idea. As for the other round, it is actually the one good bit about your whole weapon.


As for the LSW, i changed one word for the LSW variant just now, from drum to box. Problem solved, its not like you couldn't say ICly that after testing the drum didn't work so only boxes worked and so you now only use them.

You still haven't solved the problem of the huge amount of bulk you are trying to put under the user's arm, if you removed msot of the rear stock and modifed the magazien well you might just be able to fit in 60-70round helical magazine. Belt feeding ,which is what i assume you mean by "a 250 round box with chain ammunition", tends not to work terribly well with bullpups particualry if you would have to slot some sort of powered ammo feeding system into the magazien well, which is what you would have to do unless you dismantel your weapon and fit an entire new feed assembly for belted ammo, not impossible and actually might make your weapon live up to its "modular" claim despite Eugene Stoner beating you to the idea by 40-50years...


And what is meant by "as for you loading these are mostly cases of wishful thinking."?
Loadings= Your bullets, just sticking DU into a bullet because you have read it gets used in large calibre APFSDS, is very much a case of wishful thinking.

And as it stands you still have failed to indicate ahy way in which your rifle is superior to the SX23A1.

Lol, this has been hijacked into a my weapon is better then yours thread.

Lol, this has been hijacked into a my weapon is better then yours thread.

Soz, just trying to prove you should buy mine :P.

Actually your ammo would be slightly wider, particularly if you are using HK style telescoped ammo (where the bullet is inside the propellant) and while the space usage of cuboid caseless ammo compared to conventional ammo is the better in a single stack appilcation it doesn't work out quite so well in a double stack application, particualrly as the feeding system would be more complicated, for a 40roudn single stack magazine you would need to have soemthign about 1.5times the length of a standard M16 mag.


And where did you get those figures from? Sure it would be more complicated for a double stack system, but its possible i reckon, and im not going to start giving out ideas on how it would work, because a) 99% of them wouldn't work in practise, but theres no way for me to know which and b) whats the point? I believe that with a double stack system it would mean that the magazine size would be as short, if not shorter, than current 30round mags. Not only that but if the magazine had to be longer then so be it, i'd have it designed so that once one side of the mag was finished you could flip it over onto the other side and there you go, it wouldn't take that long.


Except you are going to get bugger all napalm in a 30mm grenade, at those sorts of volumes White phosphorus works much better, and low and behold there are planty of different 40mm WP grenades around. although sayign that there is a russian 35mm incendiary "grenade" system about but i never became terriably popular

Reason for not using WP nades: Smoke. Sure you could but its a bugger having to put on your respirator to enter a room you just burnt a lot and also it reduces visibility, meaning that if a soldier in the room was hiding away and didn't get killed/badly injured and could still fire then you wouldn't know he was in there. Sure it won't have such an effect as other larger rounds(The US use a 67mm rocket system or something) but it will still do some pretty big damage.

Well even using your revised muzzle velocity you are still only getting 2100joules, which while an improvement isn't quite there yet. Oh and you are simply not getting that kind of velocity out of a 360mm barrel, no matter how much extra propellant you claim to have as you don't have room for it to burn, if you want that kidn of velocity from a small calibre round you will need at least 20"/508mm barrel

Well seeing as this is NS and a lot of money can be put into providing propellents that burn in much shorter time spans and which provide more energy i don't see what the issue is(look at the improvements made in recent history with 5.56mm rounds and their velocities with the same barrel lengths....)

Personally I doubt that your BRX-141 would have any effect on enemy night vision systems and you don't expalin how it achives it's delayed ignition I am of course willign to be proven wrong if you can coem up some eveidence to support your idea. As for the other round, it is actually the one good bit about your whole weapon.[/quote]

I take it you don't know about the US's experimental DIM tracer rounds then? The only reason they created them was because normal Tracer rounds can mess up night vision. Also if you ever bothered to read up about this stuff you'd find very easily that SUBDUED tracers only flare up at 100yds or further so as not to give away the firers possition. Same method applies. Even wiki says about it....

Ohh, and NATO doesn't use exploding rounds, no its not a new idea but its not something you can get from firing NATO rounds.

With the LSW variant there is no reason why a box shouldn't fit under it as with the JAICAW it is elongated and extends further back but doesn't particularry get in the way of the firer.

And i didn't just thinks tanks use DU, i thought that it would work well with my ver unconventional firing style :P.

Its superior because like i said, it has an excellent grenade launcher/shotgun module and also is much shorter, length something like the XM-8. In fact, the XM-8 was turning into a very impressive rifle of about this size, and its accuracy was said to be good etc with a barrel length which was similar to my rifle...

And where did you get those figures from? Sure it would be more complicated for a double stack system, but its possible i reckon, and im not going to start giving out ideas on how it would work, because a) 99% of them wouldn't work in practise, but theres no way for me to know which and b) whats the point? I believe that with a double stack system it would mean that the magazine size would be as short, if not shorter, than current 30round mags. Not only that but if the magazine had to be longer then so be it, i'd have it designed so that once one side of the mag was finished you could flip it over onto the other side and there you go, it wouldn't take that long.

So you are going to tape your mags together?

The germans did that for their MP-40s, it wasn't pretty, it worked just as well as it looked. Since the single column of bullets could be easily jammed by the slightest nick, bend or kink, and the clip pointed down exposed the bullets to the weather in a needless manner, norally causing the 1st round to always misfire/carrode/explode.

Reason for not using WP nades: Smoke. Sure you could but its a bugger having to put on your respirator to enter a room you just burnt a lot and also it reduces visibility, meaning that if a soldier in the room was hiding away and didn't get killed/badly injured and could still fire then you wouldn't know he was in there. Sure it won't have such an effect as other larger rounds(The US use a 67mm rocket system or something) but it will still do some pretty big damage.

I personally rely on hand grenades or rockets for that sort of demolition.
A WP bullet or grenade useually would flush out the enemy. (Who wants to be in a room with WP burning next to them, creating an asphixiating smoke cloud?)

Well seeing as this is NS and a lot of money can be put into providing propellents that burn in much shorter time spans and which provide more energy i don't see what the issue is(look at the improvements made in recent history with 5.56mm rounds and their velocities with the same barrel lengths....)

Ohh, and NATO doesn't use exploding rounds, no its not a new idea but its not something you can get from firing NATO rounds.

The 'Spitzer' bullet.
Center of gravity is towards the back, and (as dumb as it sounds) these bullets flip over and go backwards after traveling through 5 to 50 cm of flesh (lower figure is 5.56 x 45 NATO, upper is the 7.62 x 39 Soviet [M43 in particular])

The 7.62 x 39 was so horrible in this capability, that the designers intentionally made it so that the bullet would bend slightly to one side during firing, throwing off accuracy and (hopefully) cuasing it to flip over faster (or at least present a larger wound tract).

A production defect in early American 5.56 x 45 ammo (not NATO) was a weak band where the bullet was crimped to the cartridge, and during the 'flip' this area tended to shatter, dividing into 2 smaller fragments on separate trajectories inside soft tissue. This normally happened (and still happens with almost all bullets) with high velocity bullets hitiing at insanely close range (<10 meters).

It was these properties that made many field surgeon during the first world war think that armies were using expanding bullets, and in some cases, explosives.

I know there's next to no chance of me winning anything..But sod it..Might as well try, regardless.

Surtur assault rifle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/Lafeel/Surtur_Assault_Rifle_by_AmPeD117.png
(pic is by Velkya, I'd kill to be able to draw that well)

Type: assault rifle (bullpup configured)
length: stock folded: 770mm (2.5ft), stock extended:1010 mm (3.3ft)
caliber: 7,5X50 caseless
action: gas operated ( falling breach)
sighting range: has a in built 4X scope, but does have iron sights as back up, set to 700m as standard
weight: empty 3,4kg, full magazine: 5kg
magazine: 30 rounds
rate of fire: 800 rounds per minute
muzzle velocity: 900 meters per second (streamlined caseless round)

production price: 1200$
procurement price: 1500$

features: led showing ammo left in the clip, 3 fire modes: 3round bursts (preferred mode), full auto, single shot, underbarrel mount for one of the following: folding bipod (for full automatic fire (not reccomended without)), laser pointer, 30mm grenade launcher
That's for your rifle needs, while the following two, are for your pistol, and smg, needs, if you choose to accept them.

Vyper service pistol


Design:
Starting off with a steel slide, as much of the frame as possible was made out of advanced composites.
Extra care was taken with the egronomics, making the gun as comfortable to hold as possible, and also full ambi dexterous action.

Action:
After a lot of thought on the matter, it was decided upon double action only action (dao for short), with a manual safety catch added for extra security.

Round:
After considering the Parabellum round for a long time, doubts were raised about it's stopping power, so the more powerfull .357SIG round was chosen, instead, but the gun was able to, with a change of barrel, fire both of those, as well as the .40 S&W round.

Sights, and varios details:
A fully adjustable rear sight, and a fixed forward sight, were placed on the pistol, and a rail was placed in front of the trigger guard for such things as laser sights.
The most unusual feature was borrowed straight from the CZ100, it was a small protrusion on the slide, enabling one handed working of it.


Vyper service pistol
type: double action only
caliber: .357SIG (also available in .40S&W, or 9X19)
weight: 900g
length: 183mm
barrel length: 103mm
magazine capacity: 14 in .357 and .40, 18 in 9X19 versions

cost: 500$

Zhukov submachine gun

Design:
Yet again advanced composites was chosen for most of the gun's frame, with only the parts that needed to be made out of steel having been so constructed.

Operation:
A closed bolt, blowback operation was chosen, this having been shown to be usefull for most purposes.

Round:
.357SIG had been specified as a must, and, although this was unusual for a smg, this turned out to be possible, and was soon done. Of course using this larger round would affect the number of rounds in the magazine, but it was felt the extra stopping power was worth it.

Sights, rails, and other details:
Again a fixed forward sight, with a fully adjustable rear one, was used, with a rail for a small scope added between them, for extra long range accuracy.
Probably the single most recognizable feature was the fact that the new smg had both forward, and rear grips as standard, with the former being fastened to the latter by the trigger guard. (much like the Russian PP-2000)

Zhukov service smg
caliber: .357SIG
weight: 1,8kg
length, stock closed: 300mm, open: 507mm
barrel length: 183mm
rate of fire: 550rpm
magazine capacity: 35rounds

cost: 750$

Honestly forget these people. There is only one choice for a religious organization like yourself.

The Black Market. What kinda country sells weapons to a church? A damn stupid one that doesn't care about repercussions. Stick with battle tested weapons, things that work.

Come to Universal Exports, we'll hook you up with whatever you need.

We pretty much sell everything you need, infantry weapons with an MT selection that is unparalleled in its wide selection.

As for lightly armoured vehicle, we produce a variant of the HT-101 by Hurtful Thoughts called the HT-101-XXX Vanquish. The XXX means whatever weapon it is carrying. For APC use the HT-101 Basic offers a .50 cal gun. We have models with 23mm cannons, 40mm Bofors guns, all the way up to 6 106mm Recoilless Rifles firing all at once in a tank destroyer mode. And with up to 200mm RHAe of armour, it fits the role of light tank and APC.

We can get you field artillery, rifles, we have partnered with General Resources who is producing the UR-X which stands for Universal Rifle. You send them a sample of ammunition, and they return with a rifle optimized with it. They all follow the same basic layout, bullpup with Kalashikov action..

EDIT: I'm not crookfur, I just bought the production rights to some HT weaponry to increase my selection.

OOC: Your not crookfur right? just making sure your not a puppet/you are :D

So you are going to tape your mags together?

The germans did that for their MP-40s, it wasn't pretty, it worked just as well as it looked. Since the single column of bullets could be easily jammed by the slightest nick, bend or kink, and the clip pointed down exposed the bullets to the weather in a needless manner, norally causing the 1st round to always misfire/carrode/explode. Or do as they do with the MP5 and have them both facing upwards...



I personally rely on hand grenades or rockets for that sort of demolition.
A WP bullet or grenade useually would flush out the enemy. (Who wants to be in a room with WP burning next to them, creating an asphixiating smoke cloud?)
Sounds about right to me, but a grenade launcher extend the range at which it can be used at(if you don't want to use a WP bullet, in larger rooms etc also, or if they have WMD suits on or whatever). However another aim of the grenade is to kill enemy troops within rooms whilst not damaging the structural intergrity of the building, in particular of bunkers which may prove to be of use at a later stage.


The 'Spitzer' bullet.
Center of gravity is towards the back, and (as dumb as it sounds) these bullets flip over and go backwards after traveling through 5 to 50 cm of flesh (lower figure is 5.56 x 45 NATO, upper is the 7.62 x 39 Soviet [M43 in particular])

The 7.62 x 39 was so horrible in this capability, that the designers intentionally made it so that the bullet would bend slightly to one side during firing, throwing off accuracy and (hopefully) cuasing it to flip over faster (or at least present a larger wound tract).

A production defect in early American 5.56 x 45 ammo (not NATO) was a weak band where the bullet was crimped to the cartridge, and during the 'flip' this area tended to shatter, dividing into 2 smaller fragments on separate trajectories inside soft tissue. This normally happened (and still happens with almost all bullets) with high velocity bullets hitiing at insanely close range (<10 meters).

It was these properties that made many field surgeon during the first world war think that armies were using expanding bullets, and in some cases, explosives.

Yes, but their not supposed to do that(that is, legally its not really liked by some people). I know full well that ball rounds are designed to tumble and they get away with it, and they also shatter, but the point of the explosives is to maximise this damage and spread the fragments further into the body, hopefully increasing the chances of cutting some important blood supply or something of the sort.

Ohh, and the SX23A1 weights more :P(im pretty sure it would weight more than that for its size...if not then my rifle should be less than 3kg lol, in which case the MTW-7B might have to be released...). My view is pretty much the less weight you have to carry the better, and also the more ammo you can carry the better :P.

I thought I pointed out that I was selling some rather nice weapons on Page One.

But then I was sidetracked because I had to explain (in painful detail) why I have a 35 mm man portable cannon listed as a sniper rifle (it is fired more like a cannon than an actual rifle, has a pair of bipod/blades to dig into the ground (or help lash/brace it against a tree/building) to absorb the tremendous recoil, but the gunner still has to sit behind the stock and do essentally everything that a PTRD gunner does, or else loading becomes very difficult.

Back to the reason why I'm posting:

CM-16
5.56 x 45 mm
Assault rifle
30 round clip
Simplified M-16, actually more reliable, cheaper.
Strengthened to handle higher powered rounds and modified to take barrel extensions for squad level sniping. Bipod, and sling optional. Underbarrel grenade launcher available but not offered. Bayonet is standard issue, and can be used to cut barbed wire.
$200

CM-14
7.62 x 51 mm
Battle Rifle
20 round clip
Similar to CM-16, comes with bipod for full auto fire (single shot recommended) or better sniping.
$250

CM-26 (in development)
??? x ?? mm (upcoming GASN standard ammo)
Replacement assault rifle
A pending replacement of the CM-16, since the 5.56 x 45 mm ammo reportedly bounced off of Parthian troops a ranges of less than 500 yards.
$225

CCZ-75
9 x 19 mm
Assault Pistol/Carbine
two 20 round clips may fit a protruding 40 round clip
Modified RL automatic pistol design
Now comes with detachable stock, barrel extension, sling, bipod, scope and silencer unit
Gun only: $50
Full Package: $80

All Barrels are smoothbore, and must have a rifled muzzle brake attached for better accuracy.

CM-16
5.56 x 45 mm
Assault rifle
30 round clip
Simplified M-16, actually more reliable, cheaper.
Strengthened to handle higher powered rounds and modified to take barrel extensions for squad level sniping. Bipod, and sling optional. Underbarrel grenade launcher available but not offered. Bayonet is standard issue, and can be used to cut barbed wire.
$200

CM-14
7.62 x 51 mm
Battle Rifle
20 round clip
Similar to CM-16, comes with bipod for full auto fire (single shot recommended) or better sniping.
$250

CM-26 (in development)
??? x ?? mm (upcoming GASN standard ammo)
Replacement assault rifle
A pending replacement of the CM-16, since the 5.56 x 45 mm ammo reportedly bounced off of Parthian troops a ranges of less than 500 yards.
$225

CCZ-75
9 x 19 mm
Assault Pistol/Carbine
two 20 round clips may fit a protruding 40 round clip
Modified RL automatic pistol design
Now comes with detachable stock, barrel extension, sling, bipod, scope and silencer unit
Gun only: $50
Full Package: $80

All Barrels are smoothbore, and must have a rifled muzzle brake attached for better accuracy.

Damn man, how do you get pistol prices that low? I have a single shot, muzzle loading pistol for $45, though that comes with an instruction kit, and 10 extra rounds.

EDIT: Ooooo! Smoothbore! Of course, I have to get right on copying this!

Why pay big money for less than adequate results? If you do come to Universal Exports, we have for low prices:

Pistols:
R-XX family of revolvers: $175 US
Steyr M1-A: $200 US
QSZ-92: $200 US
I-58 Liberator: $25 US

Submachine Guns:
FMK-3: $175 US
PPSch-41: $200 US

Personal Defense Weapons:
AR-7 .22LR Takedown Rifle: $150 US
AKS-74U Ksyukha Compact Assualt Rifle: $400 US

Shotguns:
Generic 12 Gauge Shotgun (Sawed-off or not): $100 US

Standard Calibre Sniper Rifles:
SR-762 Minuteman: $1750 US
Dragunov SVD: $2000 US

Large Calibre Sniper Rifles:
PTRD 1941 AntiTank Rifle: $4265 US

Battle Rifles:
.303 Homemade Rifle: $75 US with 20 rounds low power ammo
.303 Certified Homemade Rifle: $125 US with 20 rounds low power ammo
BR-545 Reservist Rifle: $175 US
Simonov SKS carbine: $200 US
Tokarev SVT-40: $200 US

Assualt Rifles:
AR-550 Conscript Rifle: $185 US
CFR-06 Economy Assualt Rifle: $100 US
AKM/AK-47: $250 US

Machine Guns:
MG-560 Militiaman: $2,100 US
RPD Light Machine Gun: $2,300 US
RPK LMG: $2,500 US
RPK-74 LMG: $2,500 US

Mortars:
60mm M1 Mortar: $260 US
82mm Mortar: $300 US

Grenade Launchers and Rifle Grenades
GP-30 underbarrel grenade launcher: $100 US
M79 "Blooper" Grenade Launcher: $100 US
M203 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher: $150 US
M60 Spigot Launched Rifle Grenade: $50 US

Mounted Automatic Grenade Launchers:
AGS-17: $7,500 US

Rocket Launchers:
Panzerfaust: $220 US
M20 'Super Bazooka: $300 US
M72 LAW: $350 US

Man Portable Anti Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs)
AT-7 Saxhorn: $8,500 US
MILAN: $11,000 US

Grenades:
Fragmentation Grenade: $20 US
Smoke Grenade: $30 US

Other Explosives
500 g of C4 Plastique: $125 US

Body Armour:
Flak Jacket: $240 US

And this is just the tip of the iceberg, we have much more, all perfect, just for you.

Damn man, how do you get pistol prices that low? I have a single shot, muzzle loading pistol for $45, though that comes with an instruction kit, and 10 extra rounds.

EDIT: Ooooo! Smoothbore! Of course, I have to get right on copying this!

Smooth bore
Stamped sheet metal
Slaves, err, penal labor colonies...

Using the profits from other sales to recoup the losses on promotional sales.

Stealing an existing discontinued RL gun design (Czech CZ-75 Fully Automatic Pistol), and making/modifying it w/o asking.

Makes a good cheap urban 'sniper rifle' or a tanker's carbine.

@ Hotdogs2:

The MP-40 did have both clips oriented the same way.
It still sucked.
Mostly because the clips they used were s flimsy.

Still, you'll have problems since your ammo is now exposed to the weather.

Not a good thing in adverse weather conditions such as the former Soviet Union or Vietnam for that matter, where some troops did the same thing with their staggered row boxes.

The M-16 clip, since it fired staggered row, was much more reliable at feeding, and if one was really carefull (as one had to be with an original model M-16) he could keep ammo detirioration to a minnimal (plus, Americans phased out the use of corrosive primers by then).

@ Hotdogs2:

The MP-40 did have both clips oriented the same way.
It still sucked.
Mostly because the clips they used were s flimsy.

Still, you'll have problems since your ammo is now exposed to the weather.

Not a good thing in adverse weather conditions such as the former Soviet Union or Vietnam for that matter, where some troops did the same thing with their staggered row boxes.

The M-16 clip, since it fired staggered row, was much more reliable at feeding, and if one was really carefull (as one had to be with an original model M-16) he could keep ammo detirioration to a minnimal (plus, Americans phased out the use of corrosive primers by then).

I never did say that i don't use a normal double row(or whatever its called) mag. And also it would be quite simple to make something which covered the top of the mag to give it protection from the weather.

However currently i can't be bothered to work out how a double row mag would work for a cuboid shape, im not someone who particulary works "outside the box" on such things, so its kinda hard ;).

BTW- Didn't know that about the MP-40, and i thought if you said they were taped together so the easiest thing to do would be have one facing downwards(that would be an arse when going prone as you often have to when your getting shot at :P). Just so you know why i thought that :D

I never did say that i don't use a normal double row(or whatever its called) mag. And also it would be quite simple to make something which covered the top of the mag to give it protection from the weather.


you could just put a condom

you could just put a condom

that works or use tape

I repeat my offer for the SOVIET STOREFRONT! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497107)

Smooth bore
Stamped sheet metal
Slaves, err, penal labor colonies...

Using the profits from other sales to recoup the losses on promotional sales.

Stealing an existing discontinued RL gun design (Czech CZ-75 Fully Automatic Pistol), and making/modifying it w/o asking.

Makes a good cheap urban 'sniper rifle' or a tanker's carbine.

CFR-06 is now made in this manner. It is essentially a grease gun with a stock that fires rifle rounds.

OOC: Just buy from me, I'm better looking than everybody else here!

Seriously though, I have the largest selection of RL and NS designs than anyone else here.

CFR-06 is now made in this manner. It is essentially a grease gun with a stock that fires rifle rounds.

OOC: Just buy from me, I'm better looking than everybody else here!

Seriously though, I have the largest selection of RL and NS designs than anyone else here.

do you yer you do

He is correct there.. (Leafanistan)

Seriosly, guys..Take the comments about varios other weapons elsewhere..

Assuming you haven't scared our potential client away with all the off topic comments..

OOC:

Buy from Phoenixious :D

I'm not going to fight with everyone in the thread for your attention or tell you how much better my stuff is than everyone elses. All I ask is you take a look at the SF in my signature and see if you like anything. If not, that's ok too.

Eye candy time:

CM-16
http://world.guns.ru/assault/ar18.jpg

CM-26
http://images.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_Shrike-5.jpg

CCZ-75 (w/o add ons)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/cz75fa.jpg

Credits:
http://world.guns.ru
http://www.military.com

http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust7.htm
A late modification of the MP 40 was the MP 40/II that had two 32-round magazines located beside each other so that the gunner could easily switch over to the second magazine after spending the first one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP40
The MP38 has a three-magazine sliding magazine reciever that slides horizontally to use the additional magazines as each becomes depleted. This design was intended to counter the superior firepower of the Russian PPSh-41, but it did not work well