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Empire of Japan

Population: 105,000,000
Emperor: Taisho
Land Holdings: Sakhalin island, Kuriles, Home Islands, Manchuria, Korea, Formosa

Diet Positions:
Lower House:
Nationalist Alliance: 40
National Solidarity Union (Nationalists): 130
Defense and Justice Party (Center-Right): 190
Centrist Party (Center): 90
Reform (Left): 50

Upper House:
Nationalist Alliance: 3
National Soldarity Union: 45
Defense and Justice Party: 40
Centrist: 12
Reform: 5

Builds
Japanese Empire 1925 Builds
Population: 105
Production Centers: 104x4: 416
Shipping: 27 (140 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 1 (Manchuria, Formosa, Korea)
Food: 8
Coal: 9
Energy, resources, Shipping left from Reduction: 22.5
Corruption: -5
Total: 438.5 (328.7 left after reduction)
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .03
Production centers to be added: .80
Growth: 3%
Oil Reserves: 8 Points
Coal Reserves: 12

Military Maintenance: 140
7 Infantry Corps
8 Reserve Infantry Corps
3 Motorized Corp
4 Motorized HQ
4 Motorized Theater Supply Units
3 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
11 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin, Mukden, Changchun, Pyongyang, Seoul, Pusan, Tainan, Taipei, Iwo Jima, Okinawa)
20 Light Infantry Divisions
5 Light infantry Brigade
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery
4 Police Divisions
2 Mountain Divisions
4 Korean Fortress Divisions
4 Manchurian Fortress Divisions
4 Manchurian Fortress Corps
2 Artillery Divisions
7 Flak Division
4 Coastal Defence Brigades
3 Assault Engineer Brigades
5 Tank Brigade

12 Marine Brigades
4 Assault Engineer Brigades

8 Fleet Carriers
15 Battleships
10 Heavy Cruisers
15 Light Cruisers
10 Destroyer Units
5 Long Range Sub
6 Transport Group
5 Escort Group

Mothballed:
none

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
10 Fighter Units
5 Reserve Fighters
4 Medium Bombers
2 Flying Boats
2 Heavy Bombers
8 Air Depots
4 Naval Bombers

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur, Kurils

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 30
Left: 158.87


Buy:
Operation Safeguard: 4
Intel: 6
Pusan Line (fortify 3 hexes around Pusan) (4/5): 3
Seoul Line (fortify modern day DMZ) (4/5): 5
Fortress in Wonsan (2/5): 1
Fortress in Tokyo (2/5): 1
Combined Arms Warfare (1/5): 5
5.5 Battleship Research (1/4): 5
Refit 2 Battleships: 12
Convert 6 Naval Bases to Yards: 72
Aid to Vietnam: 12
Aid to Siam: 12
2 Destroyer Flotillas: 20
PR Campaign in Korea: .87

Imperial Japanese Military

Conscript Force

7 Infantry Corps (2 Harbin, 2 Lushun, Mukden, 2 Seoul)
2 Motorized Divisions (Changchun)
2 HQ units (Harbin, Seoul)
1 Motorized Brigades (Changchun)
2 Motorized HQ (Harbin, Changchun)
4 Theater Supply Units (Tainan, Yokohoma, Changchun, Seoul)
7 Garrisons (Seoul, Pyongyang, Inchon, Pusan, Harbin, Mukden, Changchun)
3 Fortress Corps (Lushun, Harbin, Mukden)
2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin)
8 Light Infantry Divisions (3 in Tainan, 1 in Ryuku's, 1 in Sakhalin, 3 in Pusan)
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry) (Tokyo)
3 Siege Artillery (Mukden)
2 Police Divisions (Seoul)

CV's Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Taiho, Hosho, Ryuho, Junhyo
(converted become attack 0, defense 2, speed 6, range 5, aircraft 3)


15 Battleships
BB Hyuga, Ise, Fuso, Yamashiro, Tosa, Owari
attack 4, defense 4, speed 4, range 4 (16-inch guns)

BB Nagato, Mutsu, Kii, Hiraga (41,000 tons)
attack 5, defense 5, speed 4, range 4 (16-inch Guns)

BB Kongo, Haruna, Kirishima, Hiei

15 Heavy Cruisers (Zintu, Nagara, Yura, Abakama, Kinu, Kiso, Kitakiami, Suzuya, Mogami, Mikuma, Chikuma, Chokai

10 Light Cruisers (Tatsuta, Tenryu, Kiso, Kitakami, Kuma, Oi, Tama, Abukama, Isuzu, Kinu, )
10 Tech 5 Destroyer
5 Long Range Sub
6 Transport Group
5 Escort Groups

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
10 Fighter Units
5 reserve Fighters
2 Medium Bombers
2 Flying Boats

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur


Current technology:
Levels 1-3 Chemical Weapons
Fleet Carrier Technology
Battleship technology
Submarine Technology
ASW Technology
Tank research
Probably more I forgot

Japanese Empire 1906 Builds
Population: 59 (47 Japanese, I had some slight different info than GB)
Production Centers: 5x2=10
Shipping: 4
Resources: 29 (2 from food)
Total: 43
Growth: 5%

Military Maintenance: 17.65
2 BC
16 BB
8 AC
12 PC
60 DD
40 TB
2 Infantry Corps
5 Substandard reserve Infantry Corps
5 Reserve Infantry Corps
1 HQ
1 Cavalry Corp
3 Marine Brigades
3 Substandard Cavalry Divisions
15 Reserve Militia Corps
2 Reserve HQ’s

Level 2 Social Safety for All: 12
Left: 13.35

Buy:
4 Shipping Units: 12
1 Shipping Unit: 1.35

In Japan, victory parades were held for their victory in the Russo-Japanese war. Admiral Togo, and several army and navy generals were decorated. However, many protests were sparked angry at what the prtesters saw as not getting their fair share.

Emperor Taisho backed by several officers in the Army and Navy, demands and recieves a unified military command, and one that will work.

Japan has fully integrated Korea into Japan, setting up 8 provinces amongst Korea, and allowing all citizens to vote. 2 Million ethnic Japanese moved into Korea, sparking a few minor protests

OOC: this wil serve as a constantly updated post for the situation
As of 1925:

Korea
Japanese: 40%
Mixed: 52%
Korean: 8%

Formosa
Japanese: 45%
Mixed: 50%
Chinese: 5%

Manchuria
Japanese: 20%
Mixed: 25%
Manchu: 50%
Han: 3%
Mongolian: 2%


OOC: To give some in depth-stuff, the local government's encourage intermingling as a means to combine the groups (making it harder for nationalists to gain traction and incite rebellions, and assimilation). Every 2 years or so, more settlers arrive in large enough numbers, and the number of children changes the percentage, so that eventually Japanese have ethinc control over the areas. Formosa and Korea are being more extensively targeted by Japan, and Manchuria is being assimilated by a mixture of Manchus and Japanese

Japan declares the creation of several new naval and army colleges, designed to reduce the gap between college trained and non-trained officers. The new colleges as well as old colleges will emphasize cooperation between the army and navy, and officers having passed will be given classes in standard cooperation, and stabdard soldiers will also be given these classes.

Meanwhile, in many military bases across the country, army and navy officers joined together and formed small societies to empashize cooperation between the branches of the military. Although most officers are young and of lower rank, some were older and off higher rank, and were able to get things done the "societies" wanted

RUssia quietly approaches Japan with a deal, approved by the Russian government:

1) Russia recognizes Japanese control over Manchuria and Port Arthur and will respect it. Russia also recognizes Japan's interest in North and central China. In addition, Russia will not interefere in Japan's interests.

2) Japan will recognize Russia's Chinese interests, as well as French Indo-China and French pacific possessions. They will not interfere with them.

3) Both countries will avoid provocations of each other and their respective allies.

RUssia quietly approaches Japan with a deal, approved by the Russian government:

1) Russia recognizes Japanese control over Manchuria and Port Arthur and will respect it. Russia also recognizes Japan's interest in North and central China. In addition, Russia will not interefere in Japan's interests.

2) Japan will recognize Russia's Chinese interests, as well as French Indo-China and French pacific possessions. They will not interfere with them.

3) Both countries will avoid provocations of each other and their respective allies.

Emperor Meiji returns after his trip to America to hammer out the agreement with the USA, and had caled a conference with his ministers to determine what to do about the Russian proposal.

The Imperial Palace:

"No, No, No!", shouted the Minister of War, "I will not have the Russians attempt to negotiate with us after they lost the war"


"These moves in China are disturbing no doubt", commented the Minister of Industry, "but North and Central China is ceratinly a tempting offer"

"but what exactly is Russia's Chinese interests, and where exactly is the border with Russia and our interests? And why is France's interests included in a deal between Russia and Japan? It appears that the French are cowards, unwilling to face us and instead bully the Russians into doing their bidding.", commented the Foreign Minister.

After 9 hours of debate, the Emperor let them go for the night to return the next day to continue. However, one of the ministers intentionally leaks the information to several large newspapers, which in turn spreads the story for the next day. Militarist and Nationalist groups hold rallies and protests the entire day, and vow to continue.

The Emperor is tired however, and after 3 hours more of debate which swings further and further to the nationalist side. He dismisses his ministers for the day and decides to draft a response (with the help of several close aides) to the Russians:

"Before the Russians and Japanese fought each other several years ago, the Russians regarded Japan as backward and inferior, and partly because of that, you lost. Now after the war is over, Russia tries to make deals with us and pretend it never happened. Russia even includes other nations in the deal, when these nations did not join on the message. Japan wishes for good relations with other nations, but not when they are threatening nations that most people with good sense know were not involved in the death of Sun Yat-Sen. We therefore reject your offer."

OOC: only the deal was leaked, not what the ministers said

The Imperial Guard and Special Naval Landing Force has been sent to Formosa for army-navy manuevers

The Japanese Emperor as in Seoul to announce his intention's to construct new production centers there as a way of showing Korea is an equal part of the Japanese Empire.

OOC: basically next year's growth

Field Marshal Yamagata has been called to Tokyo to discuss with the fledgling Combined Staff and the Emperor the plans for Japan's National Defense Policy.

In other news, many Japanese members of the "socities" have begun to be elevated, helped by older members in higher positions,but most members still remain in lower positions
(OOC: just an update on that one)

The Japanese Emperor as in Seoul to announce his intention's to construct new production centers there as a way of showing Korea is an equal part of the Japanese Empire.

OOC: basically next year's growth

ooc
production centers created by natural growth can only be placed in your home country (Japan), not your colonies (Taiwan and Korea).

This is because the economics of imperialism tend toward extraction, not building competition. You can however invest money in Manchuria, Korea or Taiwan to build production centers, but it has to be out of you national budget (spend points). This represents tax breaks, loan guarantees, loans, investment incentives etc from governments in a market economy

ooc
production centers created by natural growth can only be placed in your home country (Japan), not your colonies (Taiwan and Korea).

This is because the economics of imperialism tend toward extraction, not building competition. You can however invest money in Manchuria, Korea or Taiwan to build production centers, but it has to be out of you national budget (spend points). This represents tax breaks, loan guarantees, loans, investment incentives etc from governments in a market economy

ah, that makes sense.

In that case, Japan will begin building one in Seoul in 1909

Japanese Empire 1909 Builds
Population: 63
Production Centers: 15x2=30
Shipping: 16
Resources: 26 (2 from food)
Coal: 5
Total: 77
Growth: 5%

Military Maintenance: 19.9
6 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Division
1 Light Infantry Division (Guards)
17 Reserve Infantry Corps
1 Light Infantry Brigade (Special Naval Landing Force)
14 Battleships
8 Armored Cruisers
12 Protected Cruisers
3 destroyer flotillas
3 torpedo boat flotillas

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan (Korea), Tainan (Formosa), Port Arthur (Manchuria)

Level 2 Social Safety for All: 12
Left: 45.1

Buy:
2 Dreadnoughts (contracting Germany to build it) (3/3): 8
2 Battlecruisers (contracting from Britain) (2/3): 8
Improve Railroads and Roads (2/3): 12
1 Shipping Unit: 2
HQ unit from Germany: 9
HQ unit from Britain: 6


+17 from Manchuria?= 2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin) (4/5)
4 Shipping Units: 12
1 Theater Supply Unit: 3

Not sure if I get the Manchurian stuff yet

1908 brought more sweeping victories for nationalist and militarist parties in the Japanese diet. Katsura Taro was named as Prime Minister by the Diet, and pledged to keep Japan's armed forces strong, it's economy thriving, and the empire powerful.

Upper House:
Nationalists/Militarists: 60
Moderates: 30
Reform: 8
Liberal: 2

Lower House:
Nationalists/Militarists: 400
Moderates: 100
Reform: 80
Libeal: 20

Japanese Empire 1910 Builds
Population: 65
Production Centers: 20x2=40
Shipping: 22
Resources: 38 (2 from food)
Coal: 9
Total: 109
Growth: 5%

Military Maintenance: 20.5
6 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Division
1 Light Infantry Division (Guards)
17 Reserve Infantry Corps
1 Light Infantry Brigade (Special Naval Landing Force)
14 Battleships
8 Armored Cruisers
12 Protected Cruisers
3 destroyer flotillas
3 torpedo boat flotillas
2 Dreadnoughts
2 HQ units
Theater Supply Unit

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan (Korea), Tainan (Formosa), Port Arthur (Manchuria)

Level 2 Social Safety for All: 12
Level 2 Social Safety for Manchuria: 2
Left: 74.5

Buy:
2 Battlecruisers (contracting from Britain) (3/3): 8
4 Dreadnoughts: 16
Improve Railroads and Roads (3/3): 12
10 Light Cruisers (1/2): 10
2 Fortress’s (5/5): 2 (Lushun, Harbin)
6 Fortress Corps: 24
Garrison Unit: 1
Production Center in Seoul: 1
Operation: Manchuria: .5

Chiang Kai-Shek sends a letter to Katsura Taro, asking him if the Republic of China can be recognized by the Japanese Empire.

Chiang Kai-Shek sends a letter to Katsura Taro, asking him if the Republic of China can be recognized by the Japanese Empire.

Japan recognizes the ROC, and hopes for good relations in the further

OOC: And they're going to get better. I am sending you two points for two more light cruisers, finishing payments to be made on time next year.

starting 1910 or 1911?

starting 1910 or 1911?

OOC: Just got some cash from the USA (SIC of course). So 1910.

Representatives from the French Embassy in Tokyo approach the Japanese government with a non-aggression pact, stating that the two nations greatly benefit from peaceful relations. Included in the pact are provisions that Japan recognize the independence of Hainan and Yunnan, and France will recognize Japanese hegemony over Manchuria.

The Japanese are assured that France will pressure Hainan and Yunnan into agreeing to the terms of the NAP.

Representatives from the French Embassy in Tokyo approach the Japanese government with a non-aggression pact, stating that the two nations greatly benefit from peaceful relations. Included in the pact are provisions that Japan recognize the independence of Hainan and Yunnan, and France will recognize Japanese hegemony over Manchuria.

The Japanese are assured that France will pressure Hainan and Yunnan into agreeing to the terms of the NAP.

Japan, particularly enticed by independance for Yunnan and Hainan, agrees to the non-agression pact

Political Situation in Japan

OOC: somewhat sped up, and takes into acount up to several months after the war ended.
IC:

As the war ends, Japan slowly becomes a turbulent place. Street Fighting between Pacifists and Nationalists becomes more frequent and more violent. Police become helpless to stop the ever enlargening fights. The fights swing to the Nationalists as many soldiers who come out of wounded leave join them, seeing the government as having betrayed them. This makes it difficult for fellow soldiers to stop them, and many outright refuse to do so.

The riots taper off after several months, with the Pacifists being driven off the streets in general. The Nationalists stage massive protests and marches, demanding that Japan's honor be salvaged. Police and other security forces standby as the protests are mostly peaceful save for a few disrupted by pacifists.

However, there are more to the outrage than just protests and riots. Secret organizations are formed that declare open season of Pacifist and Moderate Diet members and Cabinet members. Most prominent is the Blood Brotherhood, who assasinate 9 Pacifist legislators, and the Minister of Commerce in his home, as well as a dozen prominent Pacifist leaders. Japanese intelligence and security forces arrest 9 members of the bortherhood, and put them to trial.

The trial, however, evokes a storm of public outcry. Petitions written in the blood of the signers is sent to the government. 9 other people offer to substitute for the Brotherhood members in the trial, and enclose their little finger to show their sincerity. In the end 3 members of the bortherhood are given 5 years in jail, which are later reduced to 6 months, and the rest are acquitted

OOC: that last part actually happened, just later

Japanese Empire 1911 Builds
Population: 65
Production Centers: 25x4=100
Shipping: 22
Resources: 33 (2 from food)
Coal: 9
From ROC: 1
Total: 165
Tech Level: 5
Growth: 5%

Military Maintenance: 24
2 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Division
1 Light Infantry Division (Guards)
16 Reserve Infantry Corps
1 Light Infantry Brigade (Special Naval Landing Force)
2 HQ units
Theater Supply Unit
6 Fortress Corps
2 Fortresses
2 Dreadnoughts
2 Battlecruisers
14 Battleships
8 Armored Cruisers
12 Protected Cruisers
3 destroyer flotillas
3 torpedo boat flotillas

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan (Korea), Tainan (Formosa), Port Arthur (Manchuria)

Level 2 Social Safety for All: 12
Level 2 Social Safety for Manchuria: 2
Left: 128

Buy:
2 Battlecruisers(1/3): 8
4 Dreadnoughts (2/3) (Germany): 16
10 Light Cruisers (2/2): 10
Operation China: 3
Production Center in Seoul (2/24): 1
Intelligence Agency: 10
3 Infantry Corps: 12
Amphibious Doctrine: 12
Battlecruiser Technology: 6
3 Siege Artillery Units: 6
5 Fortress Corps: 15
5 Garrisons: 10
2 Cavalry Divisions: 4
3 Infantry Corps for CSG: 12
Transport Group: 3
Light Cruiser for ROC: 1

Japanese Armed Forces


Japanese Army

Manchurian Army Group:
3 Regular Infantry Corps- behind defensive lines on Manchurian border (counter-attack role of sorts)
3 Cavalry Divisions- also behind border
3 Siege Artilery Units- Harbin
11 Fortress Corps- Russian border (extends down Korean/Russian border as well)
2 HQ units- Harbin, Mukden
3 Garison Units- Port Arthur, Harbin, Mukden

Chinese Army Group
1 CSG Infantry Corps- guarding Border
2 Regular Infantry Corps- Chinese border
1 Theater Supply Unit- Shijiazhuang
2 Garrison Units- guarding countryside

Korean Army Group
3 Garrisons- Pyongyang, Seoul, Pusan
5 Reserve Infantry Corps- Inchon, Pusan, Seoul, Pyongyan, Chongjin
1 Light Infantry Division- Pusan (Imperial Guards, and not actually under Korean arym's jurisdiction)

Home Island Army Group
5 Reserve Infantry Corps- Tokyo, Osaka, Saporro, Fukuouka, Nagoya
1 Reserve Infantry Corps- Karafuto (Southern Sakhalin)
1 Reserve Infantry Corps- Kurils
2 Reserve Infantry Corps- Formosa
1 Reserve Infantry Corps- Ryukyu's


Japanese Navy

Japanese 1st Fleet- Pusan
2 Dreadnoughts
2 Battlecruisers
5 Battleships (Tech 4.5)
4 Armored Cruisers
6 Light Cruisers
2 Destroyer Units
1 Transport Group

Japanese 2nd Fleet- Tainan
9 Battleships (Tech 4.5)
4 Armored Cruisers
4 Light Cruisers
12 Protected Cruisers
1 Destroyer Unit

Japanese Home Fleet- Yokosuka
3 Torpedo Boat Flotillas

Special Naval Landing Force
1 Brigade- Pusan

Plans are being discussed for the mothballing of all tech 4.5 ships (the destroyer units, CP's, BB1's)

Germany begins sending feelers to Japan asking them how they feel about the situation in Russia.

Germany begins sending feelers to Japan asking them how they feel about the situation in Russia.

Japan currently wishes for neutrality, and abstains from recognizing the balkan republics as they could be gone in a matter of months. Japan however, currently ses no reason to eliminate trade or even curtail it with our friend.

January 7, 1912

Emperor Meiji passed away quietly in his sleep today, due to stress over the recent war and Japan's more recent depression, coupled with street fighitng and riots between Pacifists and Nationalists. Emperor-to-be Taisho will be crowned on January 31, 1912. Huge crowds gathered all across Japan, Korea, Manchuria, and even China to mourn the loss of such a great person and statesman.

As the number of arrests and leads increases, the police find themselves swamped with work. After reports of arms caches are reported to be In manchuria, Japanese China and Korea, the reservists Infantry Corps are called up to assist the police in rooting out subersives and malcontents.

A Russian delegation arrives in Tokyo and goes to meet with the rulers of the country. They ask several very pointed questions:

Why does Japan intend to attack the nation of Russia, as Russia has done nothing to provoke such an attack?

What does Russia have that the Japanese covet so badly?

Can these differences (if any) be resolved by negotiation?


This is all highly publicized.

The United States quietly informs the Japanese that should they go to war with the Russians, the results would be most negative on their standing in Washington.

The existing Japanese-American understanding concerning war in Siberia would not apply were Japan to be the aggressor in an unprovoked land-grab. In fact, the United States would likely find it necessary to cut exports of war materials like oil and scrap iron to you were such a move to occur. On the other hand, Washington would find it much easier to find a lower interest rate for loans in order to help Japan industrialize Manchuria were there guarantees that Tokyo would not attack the Russians.

Your call. The US is willing to make it worth your while if you dont hit the Russians...whereas President Roosevelt would likely be rather morally offended at the needless expansion of the war...

Japan's response (and widely publicized at that) is essentially: We have no idea what you are talking about. Japan lacks necessary forces (police units) and needs to use large amounts of troops as a means to cover large amounts of land to root out enemies.

Japan's response (and widely publicized at that) is essentially: We have no idea what you are talking about. Japan lacks necessary forces (police units) and needs to use large amounts of troops as a means to cover large amounts of land to root out enemies.

The Russian delegation produces proof in the form of various captured communiques, troop movements, reports form the Imperial Chinse and other intelligence reports.

"Only a few months ago, the Japanese were concerned enough to palce ten of their fortress corps on the Russian border! Suddenly they are facing the Imperial Chinese. Why the sudden shift in troops? Obviously they are planning an attack upon the Russian Empire. And why? Because they wish to sieze territory! Russia has done nothing to provoke such an incident!"

((OOC: Recieved intel from GB.))

The Russian delegation produces proof in the form of various captured communiques, troop movements, reports form the Imperial Chinse and other intelligence reports.

"Only a few months ago, the Japanese were concerned enough to palce ten of their fortress corps on the Russian border! Suddenly they are facing the Imperial Chinese. Why the sudden shift in troops? Obviously they are planning an attack upon the Russian Empire. And why? Because they wish to sieze territory! Russia has done nothing to provoke such an incident!"

((OOC: Recieved intel from GB.))

OOC: I definietly don't have 10 fortress corps on the Chinese border...
IC:

Japan responds that such steps were in response the the changing of powers. Russia had pulled most of the troops previously scheduled to attack Japan (a fact widely published in the newspapers in Japan and the USA), and the borders no longer needed such a large amount of troops

Japan has issued declarations of war against Italy, France, and Russia

Considering that Japan has taken Spanish shipping, and yet no Spanish or Japanese troops have been killed by the other. And that the declaration of war is very simply a de facto one with no de jure. Spain wonders if Japan can return it's civilian crews to Spain.

As civilians the Geneva Convention allows for a trade of those caught as prisoners in civilian enterprizes. As SPain has no Japanese civilians interred at this moment, we would like our civilian crews to simply be returned, as these ships were based on a neutral foothold. The ships can be kept as prizes of war, but the crews would like to be returned. If wishing a neutral to garder this, we can always ask the United States for go between.

Considering that Japan has taken Spanish shipping, and yet no Spanish or Japanese troops have been killed by the other. And that the declaration of war is very simply a de facto one with no de jure. Spain wonders if Japan can return it's civilian crews to Spain.

As civilians the Geneva Convention allows for a trade of those caught as prisoners in civilian enterprizes. As SPain has no Japanese civilians interred at this moment, we would like our civilian crews to simply be returned, as these ships were based on a neutral foothold. The ships can be kept as prizes of war, but the crews would like to be returned. If wishing a neutral to garder this, we can always ask the United States for go between.

Japan responds that all males of military age will be kept to prevent thm from taking up arms against Japan or its allies.

So this means all older men of no use to the military can be returned. Spanish merchant marines use young men for labor. SPanish sailors over the military age or younger can be returned by your statement. (ANd about 30% of the crews would be young boys or old men. Captains are rarely military age, and most cabin boys would be much too young.)

Also, civilians will be watched closely. Any breach of the Geneva Convention will be noted and reported. Expect Spanish investigators in your Prisoners camps constantly. Just a note, any disallowance of these investigators will also be reported.

(Ergo you keep them, we're putting your camps under a magnifying glass.)

So this means all older men of no use to the military can be returned. Spanish merchant marines use young men for labor. SPanish sailors over the military age or younger can be returned by your statement. (ANd about 30% of the crews would be young boys or old men. Captains are rarely military age, and most cabin boys would be much too young.)

Also, civilians will be watched closely. Any breach of the Geneva Convention will be noted and reported. Expect Spanish investigators in your Prisoners camps constantly. Just a note, any disallowance of these investigators will also be reported.

(Ergo you keep them, we're putting your camps under a magnifying glass.)

OOC: yea, Spaniards trying to get into Japan....good luck with that
IC:

Japan agrees to return men far over the military age (50+) as they would not be called up in an emergency, but refuses to return others on the grounds they could be called up in emergency. Japan also refuses to further discuss the matter.

OOC: The Red Cross still investigates those camps you know. Not to allow them to do so is illegal I believe.

IC: We shall send ships, which we hope you will not then steal as well. To get our older men back. And yes this discussion is over.

OOC: The Red Cross still investigates those camps you know. Not to allow them to do so is illegal I believe.

IC: We shall send ships, which we hope you will not then steal as well. To get our older men back. And yes this discussion is over.

OOC: red cross monitors according to the Geneva Convention, which Japan has not signed

OOC: Which only makes my propoganda more believable and the Japanese propoganda even less so.

OOC: because why exactly? I can send the Red cross to my camps, where they are treated well (none of this bull$hit about mistreating) qhich mearly proves my point

OOC: WIth women and children in your camps. Treated well or not, that looks suspicious.

yea, because women are so common on ships in the 1910's, and I would parade them around. The Red Cross hasn't enough time or personnel to actively search all camps, and they're more concerned with actual POW's, like Russian prisoners

Anyway, discussion over, now. I refuse to clog my thread with this bickering

(As I remember someone told me once, I will not retreat from a legitimate discussion because YOU do not wish to have it. And yes captain's families were common on ships that remained in the 19th century mindset. Since Spain culturally is in 1895 mindset before the more progressive child labor laws or captains not bringing their families. THen you have to deal with this unless GB says that it's not a legitimate argument. Of course you could solve this by simply giving me those women and children and cabin boys. That'd stop the argument right away. But you refuse to do that.)

Sukiada. Shut Up. Please.

Your persistance is not only going to make no difference on whether or not your people are released, but will destroy any shred of goodwill you have with players OOC who are just tired of having to read it.

OOC: FIne I'll shut up about it. In fact pretend I never said a word. Cause obviously any defense or cognitive argument isn't appreciated. I even deleted my argument so no one has to read it. At least here.

Japan begins legislation to allow women to serve in factories to take the place of men who are taking up arms.

Similar legislation is proposed to allow Koreans and Manchus to serve in all Army forces (heavy Infantry, Artillery, etc.)

OOC: if GB would inform me of whether this is possible, that'd be great. I think Japan is democratic enough (Taisho period known as the Age of Democracy) to allow women in, and more men are needed, manchus and koreans have been pushed for a while to serve in a more wide range or forces.

Japan begins legislation to allow women to serve in factories to take the place of men who are taking up arms.

Similar legislation is proposed to allow Koreans and Manchus to serve in all Army forces (heavy Infantry, Artillery, etc.)

OOC: if GB would inform me of whether this is possible, that'd be great. I think Japan is democratic enough (Taisho period known as the Age of Democracy) to allow women in, and more men are needed, manchus and koreans have been pushed for a while to serve in a more wide range or forces.


its iffy, considering Japanese traditional society. Lets say you get half the value of Womens Suffrage.

its iffy, considering Japanese traditional society. Lets say you get half the value of Womens Suffrage.

OOC: fair enough, what about manchus and koreans?

IC:
Legislation to get women into factories stalls before a compromise allows partial female industrial work.

economic saved here

The Japanese economy, dealing with the stress of yet another war, its 3rd in the last 10 years, begins to overeat.

Inflation becomes a problem, and the effects of the US trade sanctions begin to become a problem.

(ooc: 20% reduction in income this year because of inflationary issues and shortages of capital)

The Japanese economy, dealing with the stress of yet another war, its 3rd in the last 10 years, begins to overeat.

Inflation becomes a problem, and the effects of the US trade sanctions begin to become a problem.

(ooc: 20% reduction in income this year because of inflationary issues and shortages of capital)

You told me 50% increase in maintenance costs for my troops this year, and then went down to normal in 1914. So do i suffer 20% decrease and 50% increase of maintenance, or just the 20% decrease in productivity?

You told me 50% increase in maintenance costs for my troops this year, and then went down to normal in 1914. So do i suffer 20% decrease and 50% increase of maintenance, or just the 20% decrease in productivity?

just the productivity decrease

IC
Concern of the steady rate of casualties grows in Japan. After 3 wars in 10 years, the available men of military age is also decreasing.

OC
in game terms, only 2 corps sized units a year can be anything other then garrison, static or fortress troops, as you are having to start drafting men over 30 who aren't in as good a condition as younger men. The other 2 corps are your 18 years olds that become available each year.

IC
Draft dodging becomes common in Korea, and even in parts of Japan. In Japanese controlled China it becomes difficult to find men interested or even willing to serve in anyones military.

just the productivity decrease

IC
Concern of the steady rate of casualties grows in Japan. After 3 wars in 10 years, the available men of military age is also decreasing.

OC
in game terms, only 2 corps sized units a year can be anything other then garrison, static or fortress troops, as you are having to start drafting men over 30 who aren't in as good a condition as younger men. The other 2 corps are your 18 years olds that become available each year.

IC
Draft dodging becomes common in Korea, and even in parts of Japan. In Japanese controlled China it becomes difficult to find men interested or even willing to serve in anyones military.


Am I allowed to build several new units, with older men going into preexisting fortress corps and garrison units and the men in those units being trained for a new role?

274 Points Income
Military Maintenance: 45
Social Safety: 21
80 total in Maintenance/Social Safety

216 left
36 per build cycle

January/February
2 Chemical Stockpiles: 6
Repair Ships: 4.5
4 Heavy Infantry Corps: 8
Upgrade 4 Cavalry Divisions to Heavy Infantry: 6
2 Observation Planes- 1
4 Marine Brigades: 2
Production Center in Seoul (8/24): 4
Artillery Corp: 8


March/April
Repair Ships: 4.5
2 Chemical Stockpiles: 6
Upgrade 4 Cavalry Divisions to Heavy Infantry: 6
4 Heavy Infantry Corp: 8
4 Marine Brigades: 2
Production Center in Seoul (8/24): 1
4 Light Cruisers: 4
Artillery Corp: 6
2 Observation Planes: 2

May/June
4 Heavy Infantry Corps: 4
4 Marine Brigades: 2
Upgrade 4 Light Infantry Divisions to Heavy Infantry: 12
Production Center in Seoul (9/24): 4
2 Chemical Stockpile: 4
Artillery Corp: 2
Long Range Submarine Unit: 6
1 Manchurian Heavy Infantry Corp: 1



July/August
Production Center in Seoul (20/24): 4
4 Light Cruisers (Total 8 being built): 4
SuperDreadnought Research: 16
2 Destroyer Unit: 12

September/October
SuperDreadnaught Research (22/60): 26
Airplane Industry: 10

November/December
SuperDreadnought Research (48/60): 12
Airplane Industry (10/100): 24

Am I allowed to build several new units, with older men going into preexisting fortress corps and garrison units and the men in those units being trained for a new role?

this year only

OOC: gah, must...retrain...
IC:

The Japanese Diet, with the support of many generals and Emperor Taisho, pasts legislation drafting Koreans and Manchus into the army to serve on the frontlines. Similar legislation for Han was defeated, but proponents vowed to bring it up again.

OOC: draft dodging probably cuts into some gains, but I hope I get to build extra units

Casualties:
137,550 Dead
117,900 Crippled
39,300 POW's
98,250 Return to Duty

Japanese Losses:
Sick: 5,200,000
Dead: 780,000

Military:
Sick: 700,000
Dead: 140,000

Korean Losses:
Sick: 2,800,000
Dead: 420,000

Manchurian Losses:
Sick: 4,200,000
Dead: 630,000

Han Losses:
Sick: 15,000,000
Dead: 2,250,000

In Mid-1913, with the prime minister attending the peace conference, Nationalists attempt to seize more power by ousting the moderate Prime Minister and replacing him with a PM more attentive to the nationalists wants. The Nationalists plan massive demonstrations, marches and rallies to boost flagging support.

The attempt fails miserably, causing the Nationalists to lose power, and moderates and center-righs coming to pwoer, solidifying Prime Minister Gonnhyoe's support, ousting Nationalists from many national posts.

National Solidarity Union (Nationalists): 150
Defense and Justice Party (Center-Right): 200
Centrist Party (Center): 80
Reform (Left): 90

Blue=Coalitian

OOC: assume it's after peace treaty has been finalized


Prime Minister Gonnhoye strode onto the stage of the Diet, surveying the sea of new friends. The Nationalists had been relegated farther away, and they did not look pleased. Gonnhyoe did not care, he was here to adress the diet on the treaty. The members rose, and began applauding him

"Thank you, thank you. As you well know, I have just returned from the peace talks, and overall they have boded well from Japan." Many Nationalists began shaking their heads or looking furious.

"Yes, we have lost parts of China. Does this matter? They were not loyal, nor would they ever be. The mutiny of 100,000 Chinese soldiers under our command even after 5 years of service has proven that. Those lands would have served merely as a cancerous tumor upon our fine empire. We have gained, the northern half of the island that is rightfully ours, and we have shown the Europeans people of other colors, of other continents can defeat them, and this has made some uncomfortable" There was some uncomfortable chuckling at that, especially with the refusal of britain to renew their treaty.

"Japan, especially our navy, has come out on top, and they shall be rewarded greatly for their victories" Some of the pro-army members frowned at this

"Japan must now go forward, and fortify itself to ensure no one will attempt to take what is rightfully ours. We must fortify every major town, and prepare to ensure any invasion of our lands would be bloody and unwinnable"

"Thank you for your support, and with continued backing, we shall continue to keep Japan as a strong empire"

Japanese Empire 1914 Builds
Population: 67
Production Centers: 37x2=74
Shipping: 11
Resources: 20 (6 from food)
Coal: 9
Total: 114
Tech Level: 5
Growth: 0%

Military Maintenance: 27
3 Infantry Corps
3 Cavalry Division
1 Menjiang Cavalry Division
3 Static Infantry Corps
2 HQ units
7 Motorized Brigades
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery

2 Dreadnoughts
4 Battlecruisers
10 Light Cruisers
1 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group

Mothballed:
4 Armored Cruisers
3 torpedo boat flotillas
9 Battleships
9 Protected Cruisers
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Observation Planes

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 2 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 15
Left: 72


Buy:
6 Super Dreadnoughts: 36
2 Fighter Unit: 6
1 Fortress in Changchun (Year 1): 1
1 Fortress in Mukden (Year 1): 1
1 Fortress in Pyongyang (Year 1): 1
Infastructure in Manchuria (1/3): 4
Aviation Industry (31/100): 17
Pay to France: 6

The Imperial War College is established in Tokyo, and the Imperial War Staff is created, of both brnaches to increase cooperation to avoid costly mistakes and failures in joint operations. Secondary Colleges for both Army and Navy are established in Sapporo, Kyoto, Fukuoka, Tainan, Harbin, Seould, and Pusan.

Japanese Empire 1914 Builds
Population: 67
Production Centers: 37x2=74
Shipping: 22
Resources: 39 (6 from food)
Coal: 9
Total: 144
Tech Level: 5
Growth: 5%

OOC: Japan is in a depression so it gets no growth in 1914 what-so-ever. Also, owing to postwar inflation, resource and commerce points are halved

Growth: 0%


As you can see, it's been edited.

Always remember Please and Thank You!:D

As you can see, it's been edited.

Always remember Please and Thank You!:D

OOC: Nonsense, the above post has not been edited! It still says 5% growth and does not mark inflation!

OOC: Nonsense, the above post has not been edited! It still says 5% growth and does not mark inflation!

Look at page 1, has an updated growth, and the economics thread has the halved resources and commerce, but if you want to concentrate on the one of the 3 builds not edited, that's quite alright

Your Welcome! :D

Look at page 1, has an updated growth, and the economics thread has the halved resources and commerce, but if you want to concentrate on the one of the 3 builds not edited, that's quite alright

Your Welcome! :D

Navy recommends holding off on buying warships from overseas and would rather build its own superdreadnoughts and improved battlecruisers when the budget allows

Reasons of national pride for one, other reasons of balance of payments for another (this from Dept of Treasury... ooc not a game effect, which is a flaw, but I still haven't figured out an easy way to reflect that yet)

Navy recommends holding off on buying warships from overseas and would rather build its own superdreadnoughts and improved battlecruisers when the budget allows

Reasons of national pride for one, other reasons of balance of payments for another (this from Dept of Treasury... ooc not a game effect, which is a flaw, but I still haven't figured out an easy way to reflect that yet)

SDN's are being built in Japan, I have the capability to do so now. I'm just trying to acquire some older ships for later use as a backup.

Short Story=all ships now built in Japan

Japanese Empire 1915 Builds
Population: 67
Production Centers: 40x2=80
Shipping: 22
Resources: 39 (6 from food)
Coal: 9
Total: 150
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .3
Growth: 5%

Military Maintenance: 30
3 Infantry Corps
3 Cavalry Division
1 Menjiang Cavalry Division
3 Static Infantry Corps
2 HQ units
7 Motorized Brigades
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery

6 Dreadnoughts
4 Battlecruisers
10 Light Cruisers
1 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group

Mothballed:
4 Armored Cruisers
3 torpedo boat flotillas
9 Battleships
9 Protected Cruisers
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Observation Planes
2 Fighter Units

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 15
Left: 105


Buy:
6 Super Dreadnoughts (2/3): 36
1 Fortress in Changchun (2/5): 1
1 Fortress in Mukden (2/5): 1
1 Fortress in Pyongyang (2/5): 1
Infrastructure in Manchuria (2/3): 4
Aviation Industry (48/100): 52
Heavy Cruiser (1/2): 2
8 Light Cruisers (2/2): 8

Japan constucts enough military colleges for all prospective oficers, regardless of money. A Military college to study air tactics and its uses is established.

The first joint exercises and training courses shows much promise, and officers on both sides working better together each day.

The "Young Guard" also begin advancing, drawing more and more new officers into their ranks, and advancing into higher and more prominent positions where they can influence strategy more. The Young Guard domiantes the air structure (as its new and more conservative officers shun it)

in 1914 elections, Moderates gain more ground, with the Nationalists slipping more after the 1913 debacle election. The Diet agrees to have another election in 1916 to determing Prime Minister and Diiet seats, and then revert to the 2 year schedule. Prime Minister Gonnhyoe also brings the Reform party into the fold of the government, as well as a dozen Nationalist defectors

National Solidarity Union (Nationalists): 100
Defense and Justice Party (Center-Right): 200
Centrist Party (Center): 100
Reform (Left): 100

Lieutenant Nagumo walked up to the bench and sat down next to Lieutenant Yamamoto.
"good evening Lieutenant. It's a little cold outside" said Nagumo
"yes,yes...." replied Yamamoto, obviously distracted
"Is something the matter?", asked Nagumo
"What did you learn from this war about the use of airplanes, Nagumo?" asked Yamamoto
"they were very effective for the army, sir. I noticed only at the end of the war did it begin to benefit the navy, though Germany's use of zeppelins certainly helped them" repled Nagumo
"What if, Nagumo? What if airplanes for the navy could simply fly around, dropping battleship shells, or destroyer's torpedo's, as you yourself study?" quiered Yamamoto
"It would be...alarming for the battleships sir"
"Yes, yes it would..." Yamamoto trailed off, looking into the sky

Nagumo's shiver had nothing to do with the cold...

Japanese Empire 1916 Builds
Population: 86
Production Centers: 49x2=98
Shipping: 22 (110 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 39
Coal: 9
Total: 168
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .3
Growth: 4%

Military Maintenance: 31
3 Infantry Corps
3 Cavalry Division
1 Menjiang Cavalry Division
3 Static Infantry Corps
2 HQ units
7 Motorized Brigades
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery

6 Dreadnoughts
4 Battlecruisers
18 Light Cruisers
1 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group

Mothballed:
4 Armored Cruisers
3 torpedo boat flotillas
9 Battleships
9 Protected Cruisers
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Observation Planes
2 Fighter Units

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 24
Left: 113


Buy:
6 Super Dreadnoughts (3/3): 36
1 Fortress in Changchun (3/5): 1
1 Fortress in Mukden (3/5): 1
1 Fortress in Pyongyang (3/5): 1
Infrastructure in Manchuria (3/3): 4
Heavy Cruiser (2/2): 2
9 Heavy Cruisers (1/2): 18
Seaplane Carrier Technology: 6
Production Center in Seoul: 24
Production Center in Harbin (6/24): 4
2 Ocean Liner Units(1/2): 6
1 Infantry Corps: 4
Upgrade 3 Static Infantry Corps: 3
Marine Brigade: 2
Marine Brigade: 1

Japanese Empire 1917 Builds
Population: 88
Production Centers: 58x2=116
Shipping: 22 (110 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 47
Coal: 9
From Siam: 1
Total: 195
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .85
Growth: 3%

Military Maintenance: 35
7 Infantry Corps
3 Cavalry Division
1 Menjiang Cavalry Division
2 HQ units
1 Motorized Corp
1 Motorized Brigade
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery

6 Marine Brigades

6 SuperDreadnoughts
6 Dreadnoughts
4 Battlecruisers
1 Heavy Cruiser
18 Light Cruisers
1 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group

Mothballed:
4 Armored Cruisers
3 torpedo boat flotillas
9 Battleships
9 Protected Cruisers
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
2 Fighter Units

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 24
Left: 140


Buy:
1 Fortress in Changchun (4/5): 1
1 Fortress in Mukden (4/5): 1
1 Fortress in Pyongyang (4/5): 1
9 Heavy Cruisers (2/2): 18
2 Battlecruiser (2/3): 8
2 Ocean Liner Units(2/2): 6
Marine Brigade (2/2): 1
5 Improved Battlecruiers (1/3): 25
3 Seaplane Carriers: 6
Convert BC’s and DN’s to oil (1/2): 20
5 Armored cruisers: 8
Convert 4 Battlecruiers to Fast battleships: 8
4 Super Dreadnoughts (1/3): 24
2 Light Cruisers (1/2): 2
Light Cruiser for Siam (1/2): 1
Oil: 8

Japanese Empire 1916 Builds
Growth: 5%

Japanese Empire 1917 Builds
Growth: 5%

OOC: As of 1916 growth from Cut Spending is 4% and in 1917 it becomes 3%. Please edit your builds, 5% growth in 1916 and 1917 from cut spending is no longer how it works.

everything edited

everything edited

OOC: I have done the math and a level three social safety net for Japan that includes Korea and Manchuria would cost 28.6 points a year. Also, Japan in 1917 has 57 production centers, not 60.

In 1917, partial voting rights were granted to women. Women who were productive members of society (OOC: worked in farms or factories). Prime Minitser Gonnhyoe spoke at the Diet, praising the productive women who had helped the war effort.

OOC: I have done the math and a level three social safety net for Japan that includes Korea and Manchuria would cost 28.6 points a year. Also, Japan in 1917 has 57 production centers, not 60.

58. You didn't count the one being built

58. You didn't count the one being built

OOC: You can't build a production center in Osaka at present (its peace time, and Osaka is in your home nation).

Japan forms the Naval Air Force and Army Air Force in late 1916, at the behest of air officers, and some army and navy officers

OOC: You can't build a production center in Osaka at present (its peace time, and Osaka is in your home nation).

if a production center is created by growth, then yes it shows up in the home nation in any city that is on the WIF map

and Japan once it reaches its growth maximum can spend its growth in Korea and Manchuria

maximum growth is now 4%, for austerity, 3% for cut spending, 2% for peacetime norm

OOC:
I've been noticing some errors in your builds from 1915 to the present:

1) Your resource points have been increasing. This is the opposite of what should be happening, as production centers replace resource points, whether you build them or they come from growth. Every production center you build or get from growth replaces 1 resource point.

In 1915 you had 39 resource points, and gained nine production centers from growth. This would reduce your 1916 income from resources to 30 points.

In 1906 you had 29 resource points. However, in 1915 you have Japan as getting 39 points from resources, and in 1917 you magically got 47. I find myself wondering when all these resources showed up, especially when you should be losing resources to production (production replacing extraction as the basis of the Japanese economy).

2) From 1915-1916 you gained nine production centers from growth. However, your available economy (i.e. disposable income; points not used for social services or maintenance) equalled 105 points, which would have yield only 5 production centers (105 x 0.05 = 5.25). You also have Japan gaining nine production centers in 1917, though this time it should only be four (113 x 0.04 = 4.52 + .25 carried over = 4.77). From 1915-1917 you have Japan gaining 18 production centers, when it should have only gained half that many from growth.

Also, for the sake of the people who check builds (myself, Middle Snu, etc), I'd appreciate it if you could make a couple of changes to the format in which you post your builds:

1) Manchuria and Korea are colonies. Their budgets and growth should be separate from Japan's (like how Algeria's budget is separate from France's or how India's budget is separate from Britain's).

2) Please include growth points in your builds. They make finding and correcting mistakes much easier.

OOC:
I've been noticing some errors in your builds from 1915 to the present:

1) Your resource points have been increasing. This is the opposite of what should be happening, as production centers replace resource points, whether you build them or they come from growth. Every production center you build or get from growth replaces 1 resource point.

In 1915 you had 39 resource points, and gained nine production centers from growth. This would reduce your 1916 income from resources to 30 points.

In 1906 you had 29 resource points. However, in 1915 you have Japan as getting 39 points from resources, and in 1917 you magically got 47. I find myself wondering when all these resources showed up, especially when you should be losing resources to production (production replacing extraction as the basis of the Japanese economy).

2) From 1915-1916 you gained nine production centers from growth. However, your available economy (i.e. disposable income; points not used for social services or maintenance) equalled 105 points, which would have yield only 5 production centers (105 x 0.05 = 5.25). You also have Japan gaining nine production centers in 1917, though this time it should only be four (113 x 0.04 = 4.52 + .25 carried over = 4.77). From 1915-1917 you have Japan gaining 18 production centers, when it should have only gained half that many from growth.

Also, for the sake of the people who check builds (myself, Middle Snu, etc), I'd appreciate it if you could make a couple of changes to the format in which you post your builds:

1) Manchuria and Korea are colonies. Their budgets and growth should be separate from Japan's (like how Algeria's budget is separate from France's or how India's budget is separate from Britain's).

2) Please include growth points in your builds. They make finding and correcting mistakes much easier.


Resource points were added beacuse I had extra food than I thought I did, which was converted to mre food. Resources in Japan itself was maxed out. Also, when counting growth spending, to my knowledge you treat them as regular spending for growth.

Korea has been fully integrated into Japanese society, with many Japanes colonists arriving, and colonies aren't seperate unless they have special status like Dominions in Britain's empire

Resource points were added beacuse I had extra food than I thought I did, which was converted to mre food. Resources in Japan itself was maxed out. Also, when counting growth spending, to my knowledge you treat them as regular spending for growth.

Even so, resource points are lost when you get a new production center (at a ratio of 1 resource lost:1 production center gained), so you should be losing resource points every year. Your income from resources is still far too high. If you are counting food points as resources, please list them as points from food rather than resources, so as to avoid confusion.

What exactly do you mean by counting growth spending (the bold portion above)?

if a production center is created by growth, then yes it shows up in the home nation in any city that is on the WIF map


[OOC- Really?! Even those without any resources in them?]

[OOC- Really?! Even those without any resources in them?]

They replace resource centers first, then move on past that

Malkyer, you would continue putting growth centers in your mother nation even after all the resources are used up

I'll seperate resources from food from now on

Special note: When figuring growth, an economy that is at cut spending or austerity gets to add in its production as if it was at normal peacetime spending.

That

Malkyer, you would continue putting growth centers in your mother nation even after all the resources are used up.

OOC: I am aware of that. The problem lies in the fact that you have not been replacing your resource points as you gain production centers. If these resources are in Manchuria and Korea, please list them as such to avoid confusion.

You still have not edited your 1915-1917 builds to fix the amount of production centers you gain from growth (you got five in 1916 and four in 1917, not nine both years), and subsequent loss of points.

No, you're forgetting that at cut cpending (and at austerity level when it came around), for growth production centers are counted on regular spending

EDIT- in the future I will mark them as Manchurian and Korean

The Dual Empire of Siam has decided to terminate its alliance with Japan, though it is hoped that the two nations may remain close.

The Dual Empire of Siam has decided to terminate its alliance with Japan, though it is hoped that the two nations may remain close.

Japan hopes that our two great nations may remain good friends. If Siam wishes to renew their alliance at a later date, they need only ask

Japanese Empire 1918 Builds
Population: 105
Production Centers: 66x2=132
Shipping: 22 (110 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 32 (Manchuria, Formosa, Korea)
Food: 8
Coal: 9
Ocean Liner: .4
Total: 209.4
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .53
Production centers to be added: 4.13 (placed in Korea)
Growth: 3%
Oil Reserves: 8 Points
Coal Reserves: 10

Military Maintenance: 36
7 Infantry Corps
3 Cavalry Division
1 Menjiang Cavalry Division
2 HQ units
1 Motorized Corp
1 Motorized Brigade
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
2 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery

8 Marine Brigades

3 Seaplane Tenders
6 SuperDreadnoughts
6 Dreadnoughts
4 Battlecruisers
10 Heavy Cruiser
18 Light Cruisers
1 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group

Mothballed:
9 Armored Cruisers
3 torpedo boat flotillas
9 Battleships
9 Protected Cruisers
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
2 Fighter Units

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 30
Left: 144.4


Buy:
1 Fortress in Changchun (5/5): 1
1 Fortress in Mukden (5/5): 1
1 Fortress in Pyongyang (5/5): 1
2 Battlecruiser (3/3): 8
Production Center in Harbin (10/24): 10
5 Improved Battlecruiers (2/3): 25
Convert BC’s and DN’s to oil (2/2): 20
4 Super Dreadnoughts (2/3): 24
2 Light Cruisers (2/2): 2
2 Police Divisions: 4
Intel: 6
Upgrade 4 Cavalry Divisions to Motorized Divisions: 2
2 Flying Boats: 12
2 Medium Bombers: 12
Light Infantry Brigade: 1
4 Seaplane Carriers (2 liner units):6
Fleet Carrier Technology (1/2): 3

The 1918 election saw the overwhelming re-election for Prime Minitser Gonnhyoe, who will not seek re-election in 1922. Few changes were made, although the national Solidarity Party gained several new seats in the Lower House. A new splinter faction of the national Solidarity party was formed, gaining a few seats, their ideology akin to fascism in Europe

Lower House:
Nationalist Alliance: 10
National Solidarity Union (Nationalists): 100
Defense and Justice Party (Center-Right): 200
Centrist Party (Center): 100
Reform (Left): 90

Uper House:
National Soldarity Union: 25
Defense and Justice Party: 50
Centrist: 20
Reform: 5

Meanwhile in Korea, despairing that liberation from outside forces will never come, with increased Japanese police activity and repression, and other Japanese activities and actions, Korean Nationalists become restive.

On March 1, 1919, a demonstration breaks out in Seoul that quickly over the course of the week spreads throughout the country. The local Japanese commander and viceroy orders a crackdown, and nearly 8,000 Koreans are killed and many thousands imprisoned as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1st_Movement

ooc
game effect: Korean resources and production reduced by 25% this year

Japanese Empire 1919 Builds
Population: 105
Production Centers: 71x2=140 (reduction from Korea)
Shipping: 22 (110 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 28 (Manchuria, Formosa, Korea) (reduction from korea)
Food: 8
Coal: 9
Ocean Liner: .4
Total: 210.4
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .66
Production centers to be added: 4.40 (5 Production Centers, 3 in Mukden, 2 in harbin)
Growth: 3%
Oil Reserves: 8 Points
Coal Reserves: 10

Military Maintenance: 39
7 Infantry Corps
2 Motorized Divisions
2 HQ units
1 Motorized Corp
1 Motorized Brigade
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
5 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin, Mukden, Changchun, Pyongyang)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Light infantry Brigade
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery
2 Police Divisions

8 Marine Brigades

3 Seaplane Tenders
4 Seaplane Carriers
12 Battleships
6 Old Battleships
10 Heavy Cruiser
20 Light Cruisers
1 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group

Mothballed:
3 torpedo boat flotillas
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
2 Fighter Units
2 Medium Bombers
2 Flying Boats

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 30
Left: 138.4


Buy:
Production Center in Harbin (20/24): 4
5 Improved Battlecruisers (3/3): 25
4 Battleships (3/3): 24
Fleet Carrier Technology (2/2): 3
1 Escort Group: 4
1 Escort Group: .4
3 Destroyer Units: 18
4 Fortress Corps (Manchurian): 16
3 Improved Battlecruisers (1/3): 15
Fortress on Okinawa (1/5): 1
Fortress on Iwo Jima (1/5): 1
Fortress on Taipei (1/5): 1
Fortress on Tainan (1/5): 1
Fortress in Pusan (1/5): 1
Fortress in Seoul (1/5): 1
Turn 2 Motorized Divisions and a Motorized Brigade to Corp: 1
4 Manchurian Fortress Divisions: 8
4 Korean Fortress Divisions: 8
2 Mountain infantry Divisions: 4
1 Assault Engineer Brigades: 2

In response to the Korean revolts, Japan sends the two police divisions into Seoul and the surrounding area to ensure the revolt is stamped out. The Japanese Governor-General and his korean counterpart call for calm

The army and police units are ordered to take only steps that are necessary, and any atrocities committed will be met with a harsh response.

1914-1916: 6 SDN's (14 inch guns)
BB Hyuga, Ise, Fuso, Yamashiro, Tosa, Owari
attack 4, defense 4, speed 4, range 4

1917-1919: 5 Improved Battlecruisers (for carriers)
Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Taiho
(converted become attack 0, defense 2, speed 6, range 5, aircraft 3)

1917-1919: 4 SDN's (16 inch guns)
Nagato, Mutsu, Kii, Hiraga (41,000 tons)
attack 5, defense 5, speed 4, range 4

1919-1921: 3 Improved Battlecruisers (for carriers)
A Fast Battleship is made in 1918 and made into a Battleship
Hiei (Kongo, Haruna, Kirishima also Fast Battleships)



first seaplane carrier should be Hosho,
first converted liners should be Ryuho, Junyo

Japanese Empire 1920 Builds
Population: 105
Production Centers: 77x2=154 (reduction from Korea)
Shipping: 22 (110 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 29 (Manchuria, Formosa, Korea) (reduction from Korea)
Food: 8
Coal: 9
Ocean Liner: .4
Total: 222.4
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .06
Production centers to be added: 4.52 (4 in Pusan)
Growth: 3%
Oil Reserves: 8 Points
Coal Reserves: 10

Military Maintenance: 45
7 Infantry Corps
2 HQ units
2 Motorized Corp
1 Motorized Brigade
2 Motorized HQ
4 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
5 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin, Mukden, Changchun, Pyongyang)
8 Light Infantry Divisions
1 Light infantry Brigade
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery
2 Police Divisions
2 Mountain Divisions
4 Korean Fortress Divisions
4 Manchurian Fortress Divisions
4 Manchurian Fortress Corps

8 Marine Brigades
1 Assault Engineer Brigades

4 Light Carriers
5 Improved Battlecruisers (in process of carrier conversion)
15 Battleships
10 Heavy Cruiser
15 Light Cruisers
4 Tech 5 Destroyer
1 Long Range Sub
2 Transport Group
1 Escort Group

Mothballed:
3 torpedo boat flotillas
3 Tech 4.5 Destroyer Squadrons

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
2 Fighter Units
2 Medium Bombers
2 Flying Boats

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 30
Left: 147.4


Buy:
1 Escort Group (.4/4): 3.6
3 Improved Battlecruisers (2/3): 15 (to be converted to Carriers)
Fortress on Okinawa (2/5): 1
Fortress on Iwo Jima (2/5): 1
Fortress on Taipei (2/5): 1
Fortress on Tainan (2/5): 1
Fortress in Pusan (2/5): 1
Fortress in Seoul (2/5): 1
5 Carriers (converting): 15
Purchase Pacific Islands: 12
8 Reserve Infantry Corps: 32
2 Police Divisions: 4
Transportation Improvements (all of the Empire): 20
10 Shipping Units: 10
2 Artillery Divisions: 16
Operation manhunt: 3
Operation Safeguard: 2.8
2 Fighters Units: 6
Flak Division: 2

In response to the Korean revolts, Japan sends the two police divisions into Seoul and the surrounding area to ensure the revolt is stamped out. The Japanese Governor-General and his korean counterpart call for calm

The army and police units are ordered to take only steps that are necessary, and any atrocities committed will be met with a harsh response.

ooc
Army kills several thousand and arrests nearly 30,000 more, but due to effective news blackout (no reporters allowed in Korea), the world hears little of it

The 1920 elections yielded high voter turnout with the stepping down of Prime Minister Gonnhyoe. The Nationalists regained some previous power, and the Nationalist Alliance gains 5 new seats from the chaos in europe. Prime Minister Kato Tomosaburo was named as Gonnhyoe's successor.

Lower House:
Nationalist Alliance: 15
National Solidarity Union (Nationalists): 120
Defense and Justice Party (Center-Right): 190
Centrist Party (Center): 95
Reform (Left): 80

Uper House:
National Soldarity Union: 28
Defense and Justice Party: 42
Centrist: 20
Reform: 5

...the Nationalist Alliance gains 5 new seats from the chaos in europe.

ooc: don't you mean Korea?

ooc: don't you mean Korea?

them too the other was reffering to leftists strikes, etc.

them too the other was reffering to leftists strikes, etc.

ooc: why would Japan care about the strikes in Europe? I don't believe it would be a factor, Korea would be more important (that and the Washington Naval Treaty provisions which the Nationalists would dislike).

Japanese Empire 1925 Builds
Population: 105
Production Centers: 104x4: 416
Shipping: 27 (140 Units) (22 Internal)
Resources: 1 (Manchuria, Formosa, Korea)
Food: 8
Coal: 9
Energy, resources, Shipping left from Reduction: 22.5
Corruption: -5
Total: 438.5 (328.7 left after reduction)
Tech Level: 5
Accumulated Growth: .03
Production centers to be added: .80
Growth: 3%
Oil Reserves: 8 Points
Coal Reserves: 12

Military Maintenance: 140
7 Infantry Corps
8 Reserve Infantry Corps
3 Motorized Corp
4 Motorized HQ
4 Motorized Theater Supply Units
3 Theater Supply Units
7 Garrisons
3 Fortress Corps
11 Fortresses (Lushun, Harbin, Mukden, Changchun, Pyongyang, Seoul, Pusan, Tainan, Taipei, Iwo Jima, Okinawa)
20 Light Infantry Divisions
5 Light infantry Brigade
1 Imperial Guards (Light Infantry)
3 Siege Artillery
4 Police Divisions
2 Mountain Divisions
4 Korean Fortress Divisions
4 Manchurian Fortress Divisions
4 Manchurian Fortress Corps
2 Artillery Divisions
7 Flak Division
4 Coastal Defence Brigades
3 Assault Engineer Brigades
5 Tank Brigade

12 Marine Brigades
4 Assault Engineer Brigades

8 Fleet Carriers
15 Battleships
10 Heavy Cruisers
15 Light Cruisers
10 Destroyer Units
5 Long Range Sub
6 Transport Group
5 Escort Group

Mothballed:
none

Intelligence Agency

3 Light Bombers
10 Fighter Units
5 Reserve Fighters
4 Medium Bombers
2 Flying Boats
2 Heavy Bombers
8 Air Depots
4 Naval Bombers

Naval Yards
Kure, Yokosuka, Kobe, Nagasaki,
Naval bases
Hiroshima, Yokohoma, Pusan, Tainan, Port Arthur, Kurils

Level 3 Social Safety for Japan (includes Korea and Manchuria): 30
Left: 158.87


Buy:
Operation Safeguard: 4
Intel: 6
Pusan Line (fortify 3 hexes around Pusan) (4/5): 3
Seoul Line (fortify modern day DMZ) (4/5): 5
Fortress in Wonsan (2/5): 1
Fortress in Tokyo (2/5): 1
Combined Arms Warfare (1/5): 5
5.5 Battleship Research (1/4): 5
Refit 2 Battleships: 12
Convert 6 Naval Bases to Yards: 72
Aid to Vietnam: 12
Aid to Sam: 12
2 Destroyer Flotillas: 20
PR Campaign in Korea: .87

Communist Activities: 1920-1925

After the Major Earthquake and Fire in Tokyo, the few communist and lfar-left groups decide that this is their best chance to strike. 3,000 of them march toward Osaka, where the government moved while Tokyo was being rebuilt. The Imperial Guard and the reserve Infantry Corp in the city is called up and told to shoot or arrest all the marchers. But there was no need.

Right-Wing Groups, alarmed by this half-baked attempt, and led by the nationalist Alliance, form a force of nearly 12,000 men from all across the country, and bog down the left's march with small skirmishes, before they are prepaed to attack.

On the 7th day of the march, the right-wing strikes, and the battle rages for over a day before the remnants of the leftists retreat. The Right-Wing forces disband when the Imperial Guards and Army doesn't waver.

However, the Nationalist Alliance, with the support of most right members of the Diet, severly restricts the communist party and it's credo. Outraged by this, the Reform party leaves the government, causing a near collapse, until the National Solidarity Union fills the gap

Japanese Elections, 1922 and 1924

The 1922 and 2924 elections brought a more prominent lean toward the right, with the labor problems, the recent problems in Korea, and in 1924, the recession and destruction of Tokyo. The National Solidarity Union and Nationalist Alliance Gain Seats, and the only thing preventing a total rout is teh new Korean and Formosan seats that tend to vote for leftist.

Final Outcome, 1924

Lower House:
Nationalist Alliance: 40
National Solidarity Union (Nationalists): 130
Defense and Justice Party (Center-Right): 190
Centrist Party (Center): 90
Reform (Left): 50

Upper House:
Nationalist Alliance: 3
National Soldarity Union: 45
Defense and Justice Party: 40
Centrist: 12
Reform: 5

Legislative Reform

The Japanese Diet voted in 1921 to fully incorporate Formosa and Korea into the Japanese empire, granting them full rights and making them all full-Japanese citizens (as many are already Japanese), and dividing the two regions into provinces to vote for the diet. A similar plan for Manchuria was swiftly defeated (not as many Japanese, etc.)

The Japanese also create universal suffrage from the age of 21 and on.

The American press notes that Russia is in violation of the Washington Naval Treaty, having 16 battleships, including those in mothballs, when it is supposed to have only 12 and that the Ukraine is violating the moratorium on new battleship construction, which includes ALL battleships

The Japanese press runs the story as well.

Japan, note:
4 battleships cost 24 points to modernize (6 per battleship)
You have aid to Vietnam listed twice.

Mistake, should read 12 to Vietnam and Siam, refit 2 Battleships.

Will be edited

Japanese Empire 1925 Builds
Refit 4 Battleships: 12
...
Aid to Vietnam: 12
Aid to Vietnam: 12


Japan, note:
4 battleships cost 24 points to modernize (6 per battleship)
You have aid to Vietnam listed twice.

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