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So I got the okay from Kraven to go ahead with the Einherjar project, and they're essentially CP only with golden eyes instead of red, and white armor with Mjolnir (Thor's hammer) on the chest, and I want to test them out, so I was thinking your standard hostage situation, either a church or school, only with Einherjar. Any takers?

Elaborate: how far are you willing/wanting to take this?

Hmmm, Be aware that any Hostage situation would be teleivised by the nation whos people are being held hostage... Kraven will be watching..

I don't want to make myself an enemy of the capitol police, so Kraven, you are welcome to have your <insert name here> forces come take over a high school in a puppet of mine. Leasath.

I think I'm at the point where I could repell a near-full scale invasion, so I'd be more than willing to put up a church/highschool/etc. for invasion (provided blueprints can be drawn up in advance, or are avaialable in advance).

It will be the Aeson's Wacky Ehznoists who'll be doing the hostage taking, I'll just be watching and decending on them like some great black vulture... wiping out all existence...

You just had to tack on that last part, didn't you? :p

I don't want to make myself an enemy of the capitol police, so Kraven, you are welcome to have your <insert name here> forces come take over a high school in a puppet of mine. Leasath.

It will be the Aeson's Wacky Ehznoists who'll be doing the hostage taking, I'll just be watching and decending on them like some great black vulture... wiping out all existence...

OOC: In a vaguley psychotic nation such as mine, the hostages themselves would be treated as accessories (for example, for not shooting the hostage takers with govt issued m16a4's). Realizing that survival is by far the most important thing, people would generally not think too much if there were no survivors; that and the NG would be supplimenting the police.

You just had to tack on that last part, didn't you? :p

Interesting, I appear to have Posted After you posted, is this a Forum Bug or A Quantum Time Reflux Bug? and Yes... I did.... Wiping Out All Existence...

OOC: In a vaguley psychotic nation such as mine, the hostages themselves would be treated as accessories (for example, for not shooting the hostage takers with govt issued m16a4's). Realizing that survival is by far the most important thing, people would generally not think too much if there were no survivors; that and the NG would be supplimenting the police.

So... I invade a high school of yours, take a bunch of hostages, and stand off from there?

Sure. If you could get/make/find floor plans for a school (so that we are both on the same page), even better. I'm guessing this is a field run (i.e. to see if the armor/equipment works as expected)? That and almost all the teachers would have govt issued m16a4's. Students over 16 would have the same, but would probably suck as shots, and certaintly with tactics.

Edit: maybe this? i'll mock it up with room numbers?
http://www.antioch34.com/referendumv2/primary-floor.jpg

Sure. If you could get/make/find floor plans for a school (so that we are both on the same page), even better. I'm guessing this is a field run (i.e. to see if the armor/equipment works as expected)?

http://www.ashlandhs.org/SBEC/siteplan.html

Will that do?

yep, i'll just end up magnifying it a few times to read the room numbers.

yep, i'll just end up magnifying it a few times to read the room numbers.

So, you want to start it or shall I?

you start, i won't be home for another hour and a half or so to post a response.

you start, i won't be home for another hour and a half or so to post a response.

Okay. I'll take my time writing it up them. I'm going to slightly RP the teachers and such for the sake of the OP. Tell me if I do anything too far out of line.

Sorry to pull this on you, but I put the wrong link before. This is what I meant. http://www.colonial.net/cscweb/sbc/alcottsd.htm

Just think that there will be gun racks by the front classroom doors, and token security resistance. The real fun stuff will occur once the school is surrounded.

SWAT has the same armor, and, for the most part, equipment as the regular army.

Just letting you know, that I will be following this closely, I may get involved, but if there are any objections or problems, please let me know

Just letting you know, that I will be following this closely, I may get involved, but if there are any objections or problems, please let me know

Cool. I'll probably have some questions about the effectiveness of Kraven Armor against various weaponry.

Cool. I'll probably have some questions about the effectiveness of Kraven Armor against various weaponry.

Kraven armour will stop dead anything upto and including 7.62mm rounds, AP rounds will find it a little easier to penetrate the armour plating, but anything less will be stopped dead, the armour will defend against larger calibre weaponry, but only at extreme ranges, the armour relies mainly on a "Spray and Pray" fire pattern used by enemy soldiers, the random "panic" firing will hit the armoured areas rather than the unarmoured areas.

these areas are:

The Inner thighs
The lower abdomen
The Neck
and the Back, below the Backpack. (Lower spine)

finding one of my pictures of Capitol Police will give you a rough idea of where unarmoured areas are.

Oh and one more thing, if you do Encounter any Capitol Police they will know exactly where to fire with the maximum efficiency to bring down your troops, they are trained to know the armours strengths and weaknesses, even though you do have the Kraven armour and Kraven DNA, you do not have the same Conditioning that the Capitol Police go through before and after birth, so your troops will not know the same things as CP, I've allowed Leafanistan to get away with lots of stuff, but the CP Conditioning is one thing I won't allow, you can get away with looking like CP but having actual CP isn't Kosher... Just wanted to clear that up :)

Just FYI...
Standard Police Units are armed with decommissioned Steyr Aug A3s with 6.5 grendle ammunition (which is, as far as I know, on par or slightly better than 7.62 NATO). Standard Police Snipers use the PSG-1, which is chambered with 7.62 NATO, which, because of the long barrel, has a rather high velocity upon leaving. SWAT/military use much higher end equipment:

Sidearm: (note, rifle bullets for SWAT/Military are "blended metal," which is better explained on the SMG link).
L-26 Doomingsland Pistol (10.5x33mm): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11587994#post11587994
Rifles/Other:
DR-83-II Tactical Rifle (6.7x53 Imperial): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465863
DR-83 SAW (6.7x53 Imperial)
DRS-83 Designated Marksman Rifle (chambered down to 6.7x53)

And, the large SABOT-like firing SMG, the
DAC-97 SMG (10.5x33mm):http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481621

Oh and one more thing, if you do Encounter any Capitol Police they will know exactly where to fire with the maximum efficiency to bring down your troops, they are trained to know the armours strengths and weaknesses, even though you do have the Kraven armour and Kraven DNA, you do not have the same Conditioning that the Capitol Police go through before and after birth, so your troops will not know the same things as CP, I've allowed Leafanistan to get away with lots of stuff, but the CP Conditioning is one thing I won't allow, you can get away with looking like CP but having actual CP isn't Kosher... Just wanted to clear that up :)

Yep. Just a heads up though, the Einherjar aren't going to remain static. I plan for them to develop their own armor, tactics, and conditioning. Being CP lookalikes is just a springboard.

Kraven, gasmasks? If yes, how effective?

And as ever, I'll be watching and happyto make recommendations for what those wacky Ehznoists should buy.

I was thinking Heavy Corporate Security Package, as it oozes intimidation and professionalism. And some chinese grenade launchers, for extra firepower.

And as ever, I'll be watching and happyto make recommendations for what those wacky Ehznoists should buy.

I was thinking Heavy Corporate Security Package, as it oozes intimidation and professionalism. And some chinese grenade launchers, for extra firepower.

Actually, now that you mention it, I was thinking of commissioning you to design a couple different exclusive armor designs for me.

Kraven, gasmasks? If yes, how effective?

The Gas masks are part of a complex filter system, the air is drawn in through the back packs where a series of filters and scrubbers purify the air, the waste gasses are expelled through a vent in the front of the mask, giving a distinct click every time a trooper breaths out, the Gas mask and filter system is 100% effective against all Areosols and Particles, however the Scrubbers need to be changed every 100 hours of usage, generaly a squad will carry one spare scrubber in the back pack, but Capitol Police squads are always attached to an APC so plenty of spares are in supply, to effectively counter a CP Filteration system, you would need something similar to my 3 stage bioweapon, however, I have a counter to the first stage, having devolped it, all CP carry on their person a spray, which they will use if a 3 stage bioweapon is deployed.

hope this clears up some pointers

Kraven everytime I hear the name CP I think of the combine Metro Cop from Half-life 2. Am I right to guess they almost look the same or are they diffrent kinds of CPS made up in your mind?

Kraven everytime I hear the name CP I think of the combine Metro Cop from Half-life 2. Am I right to guess they almost look the same or are they diffrent kinds of CPS made up in your mind?

I use the Metro Cop concept photograph for my "Centurian" Capitol Police, but my "Sturmpanzer" Capitol Police are based on the Jin Roh armour but the execution of the Capitol Police has been altered to suite the Corporations (my) Needs

Ok...just wanting to know. Thank you for clearing that up.

Ok...just wanting to know. Thank you for clearing that up.

No Problem, I don't mind answering peoples questions, It makes sure everything is on a level playing field and stops people Assumeing, because when you Assume it makes an Ass out of U and ME :)

So, the better question is: does The Aeson have access to the exact same filters? It would probably suit my needs better if he did...

OOC: Not those damn Ehznoists again!

*closes all borders, deploy all weapons, CHARGE!*

So, the better question is: does The Aeson have access to the exact same filters? It would probably suit my needs better if he did...

If they are exact Copies of the Kraven Battle armour then the answer is, Yes