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Imperial Spain (E-20 Reality)

Sukiaida
24-08-2006, 19:11
Spain

Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship/Republic
Year: 1926
Population 23,695,000
Tech level: 5
Socialist Market Economy (National Effort): 1%

Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
The Cortes Leadership:
Nationalists- Miguel Primo de Rivera
Socialists- Manuel Azana Diaz
Conservatives- Antonio Maura Montaner
Republicans- Francisco Largo Caballero

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level: 3
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 9 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 3, Malaga 2)
Resources 11 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 4, Seville 3, Cartegena 1)
Coal: Ferrol 2
Morrocan Resources: 1

Food production: 55
Need: 23
Surplus: 32
Earned from Surplus: 6 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (5 of these are tanker units)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 9 Shipping Units
Bulgaria: 1 Shipping Unit

Fuel Used: 1 Coal
1.5 Oil
Fuel Produced: 2 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 0 Coal
1.5 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending IV (Spain): 10.5 Points
Social Spending II (Morocco): 0.2 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships: 5 Tech (With some Exceptions)

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands, Ferroll
Air Supply Depots: Madrid
Cost: 4.5 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Northern Spain)
2 Old Battleships
5 Light Cruisers
1 Escort Flotilla
1 Minesweeper Flotilla
1 Destoyer Flotilla
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
3 Light Cruisers
1 Destroyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flotilla


Mosquito Fleet (Based in Canaries)
2 Light Cruisers
1 Escort Flotilla
Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Assault Engineer Brigades
3 Fighter Units (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 17 Points

Regular Military: Men ( of the population.)
Reserve Military: Men (of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense: 39.5 Points
Total Production:51.5 Points (After all the Deductions, Including Corruption.)
Spending Money: 12 Points
Economic Growth: 0.4 (Includes Last Year)

Spending: 1926
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (90 out of 100)
Morrocan Industrial Center: 0 Points (22 to Go)
Transportation Infastructure Improvements(Telephone Wires): 2 Points (2/3)


SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Ferdinand_of_Bavaria%2C_Infante_of_Spain (to the new King)
Sukiaida
24-08-2006, 19:55
Needed Spending: (Most likely for the next 20 years)
18 Points to build Moroccan Industrial Center
9 Points for 4 Years: Hydroelectric Plant (Spain can have 2 resources for this.)

1 Infantry Corps (4 Points): Regular Army
4 Infantry Corps (12 Points): Going to be in Reserves
10 Fortress Corps (40 Points): Going to be in Reserves
3 Light Divisions (6 Points)
3 Flak Divisions (6 Points)
1 Ammunition Stockpile (6 Points)
4 Fighter Units (Ferrol)
1 Fighter Unit (Madrid)
4 Fighter Units (Cadiz)
2 Light Bomber Units (Ferrol and Cadiz)
1 Airplane Supply Depot (Ferrol) (3 Points)
1 Airplane Supply Depot (Cadiz)
2 Motorized HQ Unit (20 Points)
2 Motorized Supply Units (12 Points)
3 Motorized Infantry Corps (6 Points)
1 Chemical Weapons Stockpile (6 Points)
3 Battleships (18 Points Spread over 3 Years. 6 Points a year)
2 Improved Battlecruisers
10 Heavy Cruisers (4 Points Spread over 2 Years. 2 Points a year.)
1 Transport Unit (3 Points over 1 year)
10 Destroyer Flotillas (6 Points over 1 Year)
Ferrol Naval Yard: 12 Points

Research Needed WHen Reach Tech Lvl 5:
Coal to Oil COnversion of Dreadnaughts and Battlecruisers (2 Points a Year for 2 Years.)
Amphibious Doctrine (12 Points)
Long range submarines -- must be tech level 5, and have at least one tech level 5 submarine flotilla, then spend 12 points of research and you can have long range submarine units which have a range of 4 sea areas instead of 2, and cost 8 points per flotilla, maintenance .5
Sukiaida
25-08-2006, 23:05
More In Depth On Technology

to define it more closely...

tech level 0 is tribal / stone age. Examples at this point are limited to isolated areas of New Guinea, the Arctic, Amazon, and portions of Africa and Oceania.

tech level 1 is pre industrial, no signficant transportation network outside of limited regions, no significant machinary, and few products from higher tech are found. Examples would be Rome or Middle Ages England or most of Africa 1920 in RL.

tech level 2 is still pre industrial, but significant commerce between regions occurs, some machinary exists (mills for example), and some products from higher tech levels are commonly found (like weapons, tools, clothes etc). This is the gunpowder era, and centralized states are the norm. Example would be UK about 1650 or much of the colonial nations and parts of Latin America in 1900.

tech level 3 is non industrial, but generally a lot of commerce, communications and machinary can be found, and significant and even large amounts of products from higher tech levels are in use everywhere. Railroads and barge traffic are often found as well, its just that the engines and locomotives are imported. UK around 1820, or most modern but not industrialized nations 1906.
A typical soldier has a rifle and artillery is generally muzzle loading unless imported breech loading weapons have been introduced.

tech level 4 is coal and steam powered technology. Even if the industrial base doesn't exist to build products of tech level 4 -5, often the ability to repair or provide parts exists. Iron is common as a construction material. Equilivant tech is USA or UK circa 1860. Generally soldiers are equipped with single shot breech loading rifles (or imported magazine rifles) but machine guns are rare and artillery is still only capable of direct line of sight fire. Warships are made of iron or wood sheathed in Iron.

Tech level 4.5 is still coal and steam powered tech, but the first internal combustion engines are found. Steel is common and replaces iron. The automobile, telephone, and aircraft are invented in this time period or shortly after. Equilivant tech is USA or UK circa 1895. Soldiers have magazine fed rifles, and have access to machine guns in limited numbers but artillery is capable of indirect fire. Warships are made of steel and have electrical equipment aboard.

Tech level 5 is the beginning of the age of oil and gasoline powered technology. Aluminum becomes available as a construction material. Radio as first a communications medium and then as an entertainment medium comes about. Biplane Aircraft become a weapon of war, as do trucks, and then armored fighting vehicles. Warships are made of steel and reinforced steel, and have artillery capable of reaching 12 or more miles. Submarines become an effective weapon of war, and eventually ships capable of carrying aircraft are introduced. Silent movies become a common entertainment. Chemical weapons such as Mustard Gas are introduced. UK 1905 - 1927.

Tech level 5.5
Aluminum becomes a common building material. Radio becomes common, and television is invented. Sound movies are invented and become common. Improvements are made in tech level 5 tech, and radar is invented. Soldiers frequently have a submachinegun or rifle, and tanks and trucks are normal weapons of war, as are monoplane aircraft.

Tech level 6 is the beginning of the electronics age. Weapons introduced at tech level 5 become powerful, larger and more reliable. Chemical weapons such as nerve gas are invented, as are city busting atomic weapons. Helicopters, jets, and rockets are introduced and then become common. Radar, Television and Sonar come into use. The first assault rifles come into service along with antitank rocket launchers. Half tracked vehicles capable of carrying infantry cross country alongside tanks come into service. US circa 1945.

Tech level 6.5 The Nuclear age. Atomic weapons become more powerful and eventually the thermonuclear weapon is invented. Color motion pictures become common, as does broadcast television. Heavy jet military aircraft come into service, while civilian airliners become common for domestic airlines. The Passenger train and Ocean liner face their first serious competition. Soldiers generally have an assault rifle. Slow but capable infantry carrying armored personnel vehicles come into service. US circa 1955.

Tech level 7 The Space Age. Tactical nuclear weapons are introduced, as are turbine engine helicopters, jet transport aircraft, and light infantry carrying armored personnel carriers. Anti vehicle and aircraft missiles come into service, as do Mach I and then Mach II combat aircraft. First satellites and orbital manned missions to space occur. Electronic mainframe computers are invented and become somewhat common. Soldiers generally have an assault rifle and relatively lightweight body armor. Nuclear powered warships are introduced. Plastics become a common material for consumer products. USA circa 1960

Tech level 7.5 The Space Age II. Improvements on preceeding technology and missions to the Moon are possible. Computers become more powerful, but still bulky. Plastics are common and are more durable. First lightweight electronic computers are invented and show up in some military aircraft and warships. USA circa 1972

Tech level 8 Postindustrial Age. Desktop computers are invented and become common, as does the VCR. The Space shuttle becomes available, as do complex long duration satellites. The internet is invented as a military communications system. Cable television becomes common. GPS is invented. USA circa 1985

Tech level 8.5 Information age. The internet becomes a communications medium, as well as a medium of commerce. Computers are common in all vehicles, and briefcase sized computers become common. Cellular phones and satellite phones become common. USA circa 2006

Tech level 9... you will find out when we get there
Sukiaida
28-08-2006, 15:31
Possible 1927 Spending
Sukiaida
31-08-2006, 02:42
Spanish Government

Year: 1926
Prime Minister: Damaso Berenguer
Queen: Maria Christina

Provincial Governments: The government is a strange mixture of a monarchy and dictatorship and a republic. The governor of a province is in truth an elected official now. Each province is in itself a mini-republic where people elect their officials in universal male sufferage and minor female sufferage. Most elected officials are patrons or wealtheir individuals who work for those who elect them and no one else. But since the patron changes, it evens out over time.

Cortes:
A legislature of representation for the regular people of SPain. Each province has this advisory into the Federal government. They have extreme power beyond their charter, due to the fact that most Prime Ministers do not want to be anywhere near as close to Civil War as the country was in 1897. Only four parties are legal in this board, and they work to reprsent the four different views. Most monarchist side with the Nationalists. Each province has 3 representatives for the Cortes.

Monarchy:
Mostly a figurehead at this point, though there is talk that the monarchy will replace the dictatorship.

Dictatorship:
THe real federal power under the single station of the Prime Minister. He rules.

Laws:
-Anarchism is illegal and shall be jailed until renouncement.
-Communists must be registered and pay an extra tax.
-Land is private property and shall be retained. Land Reform Laws added to this.

Worker Rights Laws of 1921

-The minimum age for a worker will be 12. No exceptions will be taken. Older than this age must attend Catholic School at least five days a week, their work schedules must go around this. (Catholic run schools are all the nation has, no secular schools.)

-A job must have the utmost safety in mind. While some jobs have inherent risks, they still must be made as safe as possible. A fund will start in 1921 that will end in 1926 that will make sure that this cost is not a large burden on industry. With jobs that are unsafe naturally, such as coal mines, a hazard pay must be added to regular pay for the risks. (This is based on army thoughts of the Nationalists who would pay infantry more than their cooks.)

- Sunday is a day of rest, and industry must allow their workers a proper time to pray. At least two days a week shall be given to workers without penelization.

-A 50 hour work week will be created. No worker shall work more than 50 hours a week. (This is 5 days a week 10 hours a day. THis is for workers and companies. In the depression hiring them for more hours will cost them more money.)

-THe Catholic CHurch is the state church and shall have rights to not be taxed, as well as to own and keep their land, they also run the schools, and shall continue so. THey are not allowed to get into industry, and may only use their land for farming.

Woman's Rights Laws of 1926

-Women are allowed to seek divorce if their husband is either dangerous to his family, or adulturious.

- Woman may vote in local and governor elections. They may not vote for the Cortes membership.

- Woman may hold local public office, not to exceed the mayorial position.

- Women must be given a livable wage. (What livable means is up for review.)
Sukiaida
31-08-2006, 21:15
Captain Ruiz looked in annoyance as he had to commendeer a few old sailing vessels and other transports for his company. They were given a few extra machine guns that were held in storage, old hand me downs from the Germans. But they were reliable, and their Mauser Rifles were decent. THey'd also been given their new Dark or Black Gray uniforms. Their caps resembling a dark and forboding similarity to the French kepi's. Unlike the French, they had no red or bright colors. Those were taken away.

He sighed again as his soldiers lugged the rare and valuable machine guns along. Emergency report from the army. THe generals were making this call. Best to post some soldiers on the Morrocan coast to make sure. A dozen unsaddled cavalry were coming with them. Their handful of machine guns, old potato kickers that they'd captured from the Americans in 1898. There were only 20 of them in all of SPain. And 10 of them were coming with the dismounted cavalry.

Captain Ruiz let out one long sigh. God this was going to be an annoying year.
Sukiaida
31-08-2006, 21:42
The crew of the Pelayo woke up to sirens on their ship. They'd been posted in Benidorm along with the rest of the old fleet. They were being inspected, and a few ships were already being towed to be scrapped. THe Pelayo, thankfully, had passed the exams and the refurbished ships hadn't been taken in yet.

The Cpatain let out one long sigh as he reached the deck of the ships. Spain wasn't taking this crisis slowly or with impudence like they did in 1898. No they were taking this deadly serious. The fleet to prepare to leave at the end of the day. THe navy to split between the Canary and Balearic islands to protect them. He sighed. The mosquito fleet would head towards the Baleric Islands. THey'd sink anything the Morrocans and their allies could throw at them. THe Pelayo and the Cruisers would head towards the Canaries and protect them from anything else.
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The Militia had been called up, told to prepare to call in the Reserves. Not all of them. Only the 5 Infantry Divisions and 4 Artillery Divisions of the higher edge. THe Reserve Reserves would be kept in back. Men were ordered to report to their posts in 4 days or be defunct on their calls.
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5 Machine Guns. That was all they had. The men of the 1st Division sat at their fortress in Ceutra, digging into the fortress. THey were preparing for anything that the Morrocan's might throw at them. Barbed wire was limited, but they improvised, setting up abatis where their were wire gaps, and making sure that they had good feilds of fire. The border guards had unnerved them. And when the wire had come in to defend the fortress, they hadn't questioned it. Thank god the Artillery had arrived. And unlike the older Reserves, it was new German Artillery.
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Captain Ruiz took almost a week to get to Melilla. His men landed on the shore, dragging the cavalry unit with them. THey instantly found a high enough vantage point. THe orders were dig in and wait. THe French, the Germans would help them. They had to. And until then, bleed these Morrocan's white. Hold out. THe navy would make sure they recieved enough food and supplies.
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The Marines of RIo De Oro and Rio Muni dug in themselves, building and putting up as much barbed wire as they could. They thanked the gods that the rare and often hard to find machine guns of the Infantry wasn't the same for the marines. THey recieved more than enough, though old German hand me downs, they were still extremelly reliable. Now if only they could get some artillery.
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All Infantry Divisions are being prepared for transport.
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The Destroyer Units are put on patrol to make sure that the Morrocans do not try anything funny with their troops such as loading them onto skiffs and trying raids on Spain itself.
Sukiaida
31-08-2006, 22:27
Barcelona starts to make complaints. Many reservists complain about the exhorbant price for those who do not want to serve. The working class are especially vehement about it. (Happens in 1909, differently because of how I handle things here.)

Instead of using force, the government states that it will not call the older units. That the militia will be called down once the reserve divisions are sent. And that soon, once new military reforms are put, those with 6 years active service will not have to return at all. Those just finishing a 6 year stint, would not have to return to a call into the reserves until 6 years had passed from their disembarcation. The price of not fighting will also be lowered depending on need of manpower. In the current situation a need for manpower does not seem super problomatic, and so 1,000 reales could be seen as a fair price. (1/6th the actual cost.) Should there be a desperate need for manpower, then no price shall be given for not fighting. Everyone will be available for call. Rich and Poor. (Notes are sent after this address to the rich that the government does not expect to be in "that" kind of war anytime soon.)

(In truth the government in 1909 didn't send any indication of change. It also had been 3 years for anarchism to become much more ingrained. With the new reforms, the people in Barcelona would be much less active than in real history. Also the groups that were called up in 1909 have been disbanded in my timeline. THerefore the match to the powder keg has been removed. As has alot of the powder. There would probably be problems still, but much less. And police probably would need to be reenforced, but nothing like the "Tragic Week.")
Philanchez
02-09-2006, 03:23
OOC: Good luck. I had some fun on this rp in its first incarnation. Sad you beat me to Spain but I'll see about some other nations. Good luck!
Ato-Sara
02-09-2006, 20:00
The Portugese government is outraged by the travesty that has occured.
A few official and extremely angry letters of complaint are sent to the Spanish government along with a lot of unofficial and in some cases angrier letters.

An emergency session of the Portugese parliment is held and the demand huge amounts of compensation from the Spanish (1 point). The Marinha Portuguesa makes a show of escorting Portugese merchant shipping headed to and from Spain (Which is greatly reduced as word of rumour has got around that the Spanish are seizing Portugese ships).

In Lisbon and Porto the major newspapers all have rather distasteful charictures and cartoons of Spanish politicians and the King, all accompanied by particularly scathing captions.

The British are thanked for their show of support against Spanish piracy.

Meanwhile during his visit in London, at the various dinner parties he attends during his stay, King Carlos I begins telling some rather rude (and of questionable truth) anecdotal stories about senior Spanish politicians that he has met.

(Cross posted from Portugese Thread)
Sukiaida
05-09-2006, 20:55
Going to do math later.
Amestria
06-09-2006, 06:50
Spain once again shows it's support for France and a continued friendship between our two nations. (Which is good.)

The French Ambassador meets with the Spanish Minister of War (or his reasonable eqivalent) and cheerfully informs him that France and Germany expect Spain to contribute four full infantry corps and two cavalry divisions to the pacification of Morocco and carry out its obligations under The Algeciras Treaty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11619033&postcount=16).

Section IV: Spain

A. Spain shall be granted a buffer state surrounding its two possessions of Melilla and Ceuta, as well as the duty of policing/developing the RIF, and assumes the role of protecting power over the northern and southern Saharan zones.

Current Spanish Army (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11643013&postcount=59)

Spain (conscript force)
Regular forces:
1 mountain division, 2 infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions, 1 light infantry brigade (marines), 1 light infantry brigade (guards)
Reserve forces:
8 infantry corps, 4 cavalry divisions

OOC: Spain, TG
Sukiaida
06-09-2006, 20:06
Waiting on May Assasination Attempt.
Galveston Bay
06-09-2006, 21:12
Waiting on May Assasination Attempt.

ooc
occurs and is successful
Sukiaida
06-09-2006, 21:27
OOC: How succesful. And if he succeeds, you better be damn sure he doesn't escape into the crowd like he did in real history. His success means his escape and on the run days wouldn't happen as they did. Remember despite his friend's help, he was still captured rather quickly and commited suicide soon after. With a succesful assasination, he'd have been caught with much more relish.
Galveston Bay
06-09-2006, 21:52
OOC: How succesful. And if he succeeds, you better be damn sure he doesn't escape into the crowd like he did in real history. His success means his escape and on the run days wouldn't happen as they did. Remember despite his friend's help, he was still captured rather quickly and commited suicide soon after. With a succesful assasination, he'd have been caught with much more relish.

kills targets but is caught and torn apart by mob
Sukiaida
06-09-2006, 21:57
OOC: Uhhhh soooo he kills both the king and queen, the queen, or the king? That's what I mean. Do I have no ruling house at all right now? Do I have a widower King or a now British Queen turned Spanish Catholic Queen in control of my country? Sorry to be so full of questions, but it is rather important.
[NS]Parthini
06-09-2006, 22:17
OOC: Uhhhh soooo he kills both the king and queen, the queen, or the king? That's what I mean. Do I have no ruling house at all right now? Do I have a widower King or a now British Queen turned Spanish Catholic Queen in control of my country? Sorry to be so full of questions, but it is rather important.

Muhahah! Take that Phillip II!
Sukiaida
06-09-2006, 22:18
You do know that your favorite neice might have just been blown up. And Philip the II isn't the 1906 King of SPain ya know.
Sukiaida
06-09-2006, 23:17
The Spanish media sets up a large anti-Portugeuse stance, all but blaming Portugal for the assasinations. The SPanish government quiets them down. Ordering them to take a somber note and not incite the Portuguese. All of them comply due to the threat that they will be shut down if they say a word about the Portuguese. The newspapers in SPain simply show a sorrowful note on their boy king's death. (Meaning they didn't bash the Portuguese for anyone who made a mistake in reading it.)

The Spanish government does what it always does when the Portuguese may say unsolicited things, they ignore them. King Carlos the I is invited to the funeral in hopes of royal unity.

Assasin Mateu Morral is put on display. His body has been shot four times by a mob, and he's been lynched. The body is still put on display in Barcelona and Madrid.

(Waiting to see if I have a queen or not.)

The SPanish Government also invites others to the royal funeral. Great Britain, the United States, France, Germany, Portugal, Japan, Russia, and all other major nations are requested to send someone to the funeral.
Haneastic
07-09-2006, 00:15
The Spanish media sets up a large anti-Portugeuse stance, all but blaming Portugal for the assasinations. The SPanish government quiets them down. Ordering them to take a somber note and not incite the Portuguese. All of them comply due to the threat that they will be shut down if they say a word about the Portuguese. The newspapers in SPain simply show a sorrowful note on their boy king's death. (Meaning they didn't bash the Portuguese for anyone who made a mistake in reading it.)

The Spanish government does what it always does when the Portuguese may say unsolicited things, they ignore them. King Carlos the I is invited to the funeral in hopes of royal unity.

Assasin Mateu Morral is put on display. His body has been shot four times by a mob, and he's been lynched. The body is still put on display in Barcelona and Madrid.

(Waiting to see if I have a queen or not.)

The SPanish Government also invites others to the royal funeral. Great Britain, the United States, France, Germany, Portugal, Japan, Russia, and all other major nations are requested to send someone to the funeral.

Emperor Taisho will attend the funeral
Malkyer
07-09-2006, 00:20
President Alcorta sends his official condolences to the Spanish nation.
Toopoxia
07-09-2006, 00:31
Leopold II of Belgium, having had an attempt made on his life not 4 years ago, send his sympathy to Spain and hopes that there are no more political assassination attempts this century.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 20:02
The country mourns it's fallen royalty. A long line of mourners walks past it's deceased queen and king in a public showing, as thousands are reported to visit the fallen couple in Madrid. The bodies themselves are protected with a fervor, soldiers lining the route to make sure no funny business is done.

Returning soldiers from the Morrocan campaign drag disaffectors out of their homes. It's work they relish as the bloodlust from Morroco hasn't been lessened. They pull Socialists, Communists, and Anarchists into the streets. Socialists are simply warned, the soldiers only just starting in their campaign. Communists have a fate that ranges from threats to beatings by the soldiers. Anarchists are shot on the spot. No trails, no mercy. Thankfully Spanish Anarchists are very small in number, and the population sees them as a threat to begin with. The soldiers who do their work are hailed as popular and though some communists try to bring them to trial for beatings, they are never done.

Socialists and Communists mostly keep quiet, seeing the fate of the Anarchists. Pablo Iglesias the leader of the Socialist Party in SPain keeps his party quiet. It simply states the horror of the death of the king, and uses this as a show that the SOcialists of Spain are united with everyone. The Conservatives keep a close eye on the Socialists, but nothing else comes of it. The Communists hide to make sure they are not seen as a threat. Being ANarchists becomes a felony in Spain.

THe aristocracy tries to keep it's point, looking anywhere for a new king. Alfonso didn't have time to sire an heir with his wife. THey take weeks investigating all of Alfonso's affairs. They find a simple statement for payment to take care of a single individual. And that's how 1 year old Roger Leveque de Vilmorin, the son of a French Aristocrat and the now deceased Boy King, finds himself in front of two large men, and a rather spindly man and is told he'll be King of SPain. The only remaining offspring of the Spanish Monarchy. Of course Maria Christina, his grandmother, takes him under her wing as regent. She allows his mother to come along and help her. In her old age, and now with her son dead, she isn't as flaymboyant as she once was. Young Roger keeps his name. Being called Roger the I of Spain.

In order to rule with a regent who is getting on in her years, and a baby king once more, the aristocrats allow a semi-republic basis. The king will retain his soveirgnty, but a Prime Minister and COnstitution must be created in order for some order. Roger the I takes over a country that will change no matter what.
Cylea
07-09-2006, 20:12
Remembering full well the terror of an assassinated head of state, the United States and the Roosevelt Administration send its condolences to Spain. Secretary of State Elihu Root will attend the funeral.
Ato-Sara
07-09-2006, 20:29
Deeply offended by the accusations of the Spanish press King Carlos nearly refuses to attend the funeral, however his Prime Minister João Franco persuades and Cajoles Carlos into attending.

Both Carlos and Franco respond that they will be going.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 20:46
(I said it three times and no one pays attention. THE MEDIA NEVER ACCUSED PORTUGAL!!!!! It was shut up before it was able to.)
Ato-Sara
07-09-2006, 20:51
(I said it three times and no one pays attention. THE MEDIA NEVER ACCUSED PORTUGAL!!!!! It was shut up before it was able to.)

OOC: Sorry, I took it to mean that the Spanish press had accused and then were shut up.
Amestria
07-09-2006, 20:58
The French Republic sends its condolences for the deaths of King Alfonso and Queen Victoria Eugenia.

French President Paul Doumer makes clear his intent to attend the funeral.
Elephantum
07-09-2006, 21:03
OOC: Not really familiar with this event, nor Spanish history in general, but might some Spanish anarchists try to attack the funeral (especially with so many bigwigs in attendance)?
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 21:11
OOC; It's alright Ato. I just ask for everyone to read a little more carefully next time. Including myself.

And yes they could try and kill them all. Four reasons why they won't.
1st: Right now the Spanish Military is hunting down Anarchists right and left and executing them.
2nd: Anarchists is actually a very small number of Spanish people. The majority of Spanish anarchists are those who went to Germany and learned about it there. That's a very small number of the Spanish population. That means those that aren't already dead are most likely fleeing for their lives.
3rd: The Spanish population is extremelly anti-anarchist. It's an extreme left wing govenrment. In a conservative population, they would be ratted out immeidietly. (As were a dozen anarchists in RL)
4th: An entire corp of the army (Extremelly anti-anarchist) is going to be guarding the funeral. As they are guarding the bodies during veiwing. This makes success about 1%. Also Anarchists aren't going to be working very hard to make them even more hated in Spain.
[NS]Parthini
07-09-2006, 22:32
Great Britain sends its utmost condolences for the loss of the King and the British King's wonderful niece. The entire Royal Family will be in attendence.

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In a separate issue, the United Kingdom, seeing the desire of the Spanish to relieve themselves of the Imperial Duty, proposes to purchase any and all of the Spanish Colonies that are not desired. This includes the Balearics, the Canaries, Rio de Oro and Spanish Guniea. Britain is willing to pay handsomely for such territories.

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After the Funeral, several letters reach the Spanish Government claiming that, since Alfonso XIII's wife was British, and he had no legitimate children, the supposed King's claim to the throne is morganatic and the throne of Spain should rightfully pass on to the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 22:43
Queen Maria Christina crowns herself Queen of Spain until her grandson can rule. She takes Roger's mother as Regent Advisor, and adopts legally her illigitamate grandson. She declares him fully legitimate.

The Spanish Government also pulls records that state that Roger's Mother and ALfonso were married legally before their subsequent divorce and that by law Roger is the product of a married family that divorced afterwards. THe Catholic Church of SPain keeps silent on the matter.

No notice of the letters is noticed by the Spanish officially. Any British spies would note much paperwork being sent that might be a product. Distrust of Britain slightly rises as the letters are seen as an attempt to control Spain directly.

A single letter is given to King Edward by Queen Maria Christina, this with a short stack of letters recieved. A single inscription is written. "Please tell me you did not send me these. If not, then we shall let the matter drop."

(By the way this is weird since Great Britain doesn't have morganatic marraiges. There have been several kings who married women of lower status in Great Britain who remained King. So odd they would use that phrase.)
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In relation to the purchase of the Islands or any undesired lands by SPain, SPain informs the United Kingdom that it will leave those areas to France or Germany as the belief is that any more European Powers in the area will cause new complications. It thanks Great Britian for it's offer.
[NS]Parthini
07-09-2006, 23:00
OOC: I see no record of the Melanie de Gaufridy de Dortan being married to Alfonso, especially since Roger was born last year. And it's not too wierd, since I'm abiding by Spanish Traditions :)

IC: Royal Authorities, effectively being ignored by the apparently embarrased Spainards, openly request that the Spanish Line be handed over to the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha as the rightful passage of lineage. Roger I, they claim, is illegitemate and thus not rightfully an heir.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 23:05
OOC: No there is no record. Nor is there any record to the contrary. Therefore what Spain states may be false or not.

IC: Queen Marie CHristina asks who the Royal Authorities wish to post as the Spanish Monarch?

Secretly she prepares for this, and starts to put up the case against the British royals. First of being the fact that the Catholic Church hadn't yet babtized her Catholic. (It happened two days before the wedding in real history, but due to current events I didn't have time to make happen.) And also that she was still of lower birth. (Edward never made her a full Royal Highness in this timeline. You forgot to do it and now it's too late.) So that the marraige of Alfonso and Eugene was mognamatic in itself. Therefore their case didn't exist.

(Honostly though, this would kick me out of playing Spain.)
[NS]Parthini
07-09-2006, 23:35
OOC: Perhaps. Or perhaps, I would simply get to put "Spain" after Ireland, and I would have to change my title to "the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Spain."

You would probably be granted Dominion Status immediately, and you would get to be like Canada, although more able to conduct Foreign Policy. I'm not that much of a dick :p

IC: The Royal Authorities wish to place Spain under either the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and thus King the King of Great Britain, currently Edward, or under the House of Battenburg, since Victoria's father was Prince Louis of Battenburg.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 23:40
Debates are held by the aristocracy. WIth the King dead and now Britain trying to take over Spain, it appears that the Generation of 1898 have grown in support. They force through debates on the Constitution being drafted. Spanish Nobles have to juggle between possible Republic, and possible British control.

The generation speaks out in front of buildings. They stick to a conservative leaning, but debate the best way of doing this. THey talk of the possibility of a Second Grand Republic. That the problem with the earlier one had been disagreements on what to do. The discussions beging to get edgy, many nobles fearing revolution.

The problem is that the army sides with the republic. The monarchy is prefferable, but a monarchy under British control is worse than a republic. Nobles find that 1906 might be the death of them. Debates rage and generals all put their thoughts in.

In December of 1906, (No matter what the British try, I will continue to buy time.) General Miguel Primo De Rivera steps to the stage. He states simply what the army will agree to. Most see him as an upstart, but his compromise does seem rather interesting. A Prime Minister shall be elected to be a temporary executive. This will be followed with local republic elections. Legislative Seats will be held by Aristocrats, with certain Constitutional Holdings. Of course Miguel Primo De Rivera offers himself as the countries first Prime Minister.

What the rest of the world thinks of these precedings is not known. But British control will never be accepted.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 23:44
Spain will accept Prince Lious of Brattenburg as the new King, only if he marries Queen Maria Christina. Britain can not call Queen Maria Christina illegitimate as soveirgn of Spain. As legal wife to Alfonso XII she is the ruler.

THose are the conditions set by Spain. If Britain does not agree, then the request by Britain shall be denied.
[NS]Parthini
07-09-2006, 23:44
OOC: Second War of Spanish Succession anyone?
[NS]Parthini
07-09-2006, 23:45
Spain will accept Prince Lious of Brattenburg as the new King, only if he marries Queen Maria Christina. Britain can not call Queen Maria Christina illegitimate as soveirgn of Spain. As legal wife to Alfonso XII she is the ruler.

THose are the conditions set by Spain. If Britain does not agree, then the request by Britain shall be denied.

OOC: Well... considering he's married... that would be very hard and very unacceptable.
Sukiaida
07-09-2006, 23:48
OOC: Not really. And you should know SPain would never accept British rule. I mean really. And I doubt SPain, Germany, or RUssia would accept Britain getting a foothold on the COntinent. And also the British people would start to grumble over a war on the COntinent as well. Spain has been retracting it's colonies. Forcing a war on the British people would be rather hard.

IC: As a compromise Queen Maria Christina will accept Prince Alexander of Brattenburg as a husband. (He wasn't married til 1917) Though young at the age of 20, it would be exeptable to allow him.

Infante Ferdinand of SPain contests. As the grandson of Maria CHristina and Alfonso XII he has direct lineage to the Bourban line. (Just found the loophole. There is a remaining Burboun of 22 years old.)
[NS]Parthini
08-09-2006, 00:09
OOC: Of course the British people would be fine with it. It's establishing Imperial Hegemony over another country, a European one, no less. As long as I win, at least.

That, or you could hand over all your colonies and your Navy :)
Sukiaida
08-09-2006, 00:16
The Catholic CHurch of SPain annuls the marraige between Alfonso XIII and Eugene Victoria, ending all legal ability for Britain's ROyals. Spain calls the matter finished and cuts off anymore discussion on the matter.

OOC: As out of charecter I am cutting off this discusion. I'm not going to be bullied into this. I am not giving up my country after a year In Game time to you.
[NS]Parthini
08-09-2006, 00:24
OOC: Umm... I'm not going to be told that I can't continue a legitimate debate... anyway, I need more time to consider my options, and since it's still 1906, figure a reaction soon.
Sukiaida
08-09-2006, 00:43
OOC: Look in the regular thread to see my idea.

IC: The Catholic Church holds it's annulment for a few days to see a new development.
Galveston Bay
08-09-2006, 17:55
Parthini;11652082']OOC: Second War of Spanish Succession anyone?

Public opinion would be against that in England, heavily against it in Scotland and overwhelmingly against it in Ireland. Simply put, the English feel that Spain is more trouble then its worth, while the rest of the people of Britian have historic ties to Spain and don't have any desire to fight Spain again for no good reason.

Although opinion is running high against the Spanish and French at the moment because of Morocco, its more contempt then anger.
Galveston Bay
08-09-2006, 18:04
Spanish Latin America (except for Cuba) strongly protests British bullying of Spain and threaten trade sanctions.

Meanwhile, the Spanish Army currently led by Minister of War Weyler begins to consider its options

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/spanam/WS-SpARmy.htm
Sukiaida
08-09-2006, 20:51
OOC: Wait so does this mean I can have the military coup that happened in the 1920's happen now? If so. AWESOME!!!! Dictator Miguel. I get to be Dictator Miguel. YEAH YEAH YEAH!! WHOO WHOO!! WHat? I like dictators.
Galveston Bay
08-09-2006, 22:15
OOC: Wait so does this mean I can have the military coup that happened in the 1920's happen now? If so. AWESOME!!!! Dictator Miguel. I get to be Dictator Miguel. YEAH YEAH YEAH!! WHOO WHOO!! WHat? I like dictators.

ooc
attempting to reform the Spanish Army could easily be the trigger, and Weyler is the man most likely to end up running the country.

http://www.spanamwar.com/Weyler.htm

note his suppression of an anarchist revolt in 1909
Sukiaida
08-09-2006, 22:19
OOC; That and the nobles attempting to meet with the British could make the common folk side with him if he takes over. So how would I handle that kind of coup? In truth it would be bloody only in relation to the nobles. Anarchism has been made unpopular by the death of Alfonso XIII and Fascism which is the only other ideal rising in SPain at this time would agree to having a military coup. So how are we to handle this? Just curious. Cause normally coups are the end of a players control of a country. Here I am instating the coup. Sorry to be full of so many questions.
Sukiaida
08-09-2006, 22:44
(Plan to put meeting between nobles and perhaps military here. Or whatever is to come. At this moment is going to try to fill the void of no king. And they are only combined in the notion it will be a Spanish government.)
[NS]Parthini
11-09-2006, 04:45
In late November, the Royal Navy sorties out of Plymouth Harbor. 10 Battleships, including the famed Dreadnought set course for Gibralter where they all simultaneously fire their guns, reposition and fire in record time. The ships then dock at Gibralter and repeat the process the next day. They then set sail southwest in the direction of the Canaries.

At the same time, the local garrison in Gibralter begins extensive training, and many logistics personnel are seen readying for something.
Sukiaida
14-09-2006, 19:05
(Oh I see. Since I do have a fleet there, lets say it ended in a stand-off. Because I have a bunch of torpedo boats that in WWI show can actually screw dreadnaughts pretty well if they get in between them. ANd all you sent were battleships. So since this ended in 1906 and it
s 1907 and there is other stuff, lets say it ended that way. That way we don't have to do a crap load of backtracking and doing this or that.)
Sukiaida
14-09-2006, 21:06
The Spanish regular and reserve army are put through massive retraining. The use of new gas engines is used to help the Army get used to the new technology. Soldiers are trained in mountains, plaines, every little new Morrocan crisis center that the soldiers thought needed to be done.

The most telling new training is in small unit actions. The unit of the Spanish army is to become the company. The entire soldiers world to become that of his Captain and the rest of the 100 men with him. Soldiers learned Guerrilla tactics, sniping out guerrilla tactics, and using the terrain to their advantage.

THe other training is based on defense. Garrisoning the Naval bases with troops, and making sure to up security. The security of the new government is beefed up, military police are given more headway to look into private lives if they are near military bases.

(Military Dictators normally have extra abilities on spying.)

Queen Maria signs all these bills, the people still angry over Great Britains continued attempts to control Spain. The army is the hero of the day as Weyler speaks out against any country trying to control a soveriegn nation. Of course he names no names or countries. Slowly the police become absorbed, and the Queen announces Weyler as Prime Minister of SPain. No date of his exit is announced.
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Queen Maria Christina is named as the last monarch of Spain. Her reign shall be the last, and no government is named after her, but simply that the Spanish government shall be ruled by Spanish and only Spanish. This is the only decree. The Monarchy will end with Maria Christina.

Most SPanish people hate the idea and the decree. But the anger and almost being ruled by the arrogant British empire keeps many quiet. The rest are kept quiet because of the decree that disagreements with the end of the monarchy will be seen as signs of Anarchism. Those who see the threat will be quieted, but most will remember the assasination, and remember that a conservative government is best in such situations.
[NS]Parthini
14-09-2006, 22:08
OOC: Not really sure you realized that there were 10 Battleships sailing around Spain.

Anyway...

IC: Spain's audacious words marely reach British shores as matters in the Caribbean and Ethiopia become more pressing.

Spain, for the British people, has begun to yet again slip out of the minds of the people and back into obscurity.
Sukiaida
14-09-2006, 22:27
(Yes 10 Battleships with no escorts. Send my torpedo boat fleet intot he midst of those 10 battleships and their bite becomes much less. Remember how the AUstrians lost their battleship fleet to a handful of torpedo boats. Especcially in an enclosed space (Mediterranian.) Buttttt we're getting out of their minds. Sooo uhh yeah.)
Sukiaida
15-09-2006, 21:20
November 1907:

Spanish troops, what remains, gather the last settlers and workers in Rio de Oro. The French will arrive shortly, and the Spanish wish to have only a skeleton crew when they arrive. Best to leave at the right moment.

The Canaries welcomes it's new settlers, where the few Rio de Oro settlers remain. The new colonoies have never been popular anyways, and with the Rio de Oro in French hands, it may mean more trade for the Canary Islanders.
Sukiaida
19-09-2006, 20:27
With the loan of the smaller island of Hierro, Spanish police send ships to get the handful of settlers off the island. The total population of 200, are given new land on other Canary Islands as an apology by the SPanish government, and to quiet them down.

Fear of a British base on the islands grips Canarey Populations, as a token to quiet their fears, the Spanish Navy admits to the designs for building a naval base and a fortress across from Gibraltor in the future. British officials are told these plans and that the Canary Naval Base will be set on the Northern Most island. The Fortress across from Gibraltor in SPain is for better control of the entrance to the Mediterranian. (And effectivally means that with the Suez Canal and that entrance controlled, the entire inland sea would be controlled. Not a bad thing I might add.)
[NS]Parthini
19-09-2006, 22:04
A Garrison of 100 men arrive on El Hierro, renamed Iron Island and begin to set up a barracks in the town hall on the now-abandoned Valverde (now called Green Vale). The garrison is put under the command of the Gibralter government, and land is sold for bottom prices to encourage growth.

However, the British Government expresses its extreme displeasure at the Spanish decision to build a fortress across the Strait of Gibralter.
Sukiaida
19-09-2006, 22:52
Construction companies vie for the naval base to be built on the Canaries and the Naval Yard to be built on the Balearic Islands.
Malkyer
19-09-2006, 23:23
A message from Prime Minister Reynaud thanks Spain for their continued friendship, and the Prime Minister reaffirms his desire to see nothing but peace and prosperity across the Pyrenees.
Sukiaida
20-09-2006, 17:58
Spanish diplomats discuss alliances and such.
Sukiaida
20-09-2006, 22:22
January 1908:

Spain was changing to meet the new century. Despite this a few things remained the same. Spanish streets were still clogged with horses and carts. A few cities passed ordinances to make sure that cars or automobiles did not distrub their equine partners while they went through city streets.

Despite this, rich and upper middle class Spainards did buy cars. Though not in any large numbers. By 1908 out of a population of 20 Million people, only 20,000 actually owned an automobile. Trains were still becoming important, as rails of old iron were beginning to grate. A new economic program to improve SPain's network of roads for automobiles and trains from iron to steel were being put forward, but many were being pushed back til 1909.

The government itself seemed to remain the same. The monarchy still in control. At least in appearances. Spanish military officials and Weyler really6 held federal power. Despite this, local elections were being held. The local offices were still monitored by the government, but mostly these jobs for postmaster, and other recently appointed offices were seen as a step towards letting the governm,ent handle what was really important.
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Trucks are in short supply for the army. They are old and worn when the Spanish Army gets them, and most units rely on horse power like their ancestors did. THankfully machine guns have become more prevalent. The two or three to a regiment are now two or three to a battalion. Though not at the two or three machine guns through a company like the military wants.

Rifles are on the rise too as the Mauser 1908 is planned for the future. It's a Spanish adoption that will hold 8 rounds rather than the 19th centurie's five rounds. Artillery is also investigated as the Spanish Army tries to purchase French 75's and heavier ordinance from the Germans.

The Officer class is also being weeded out as any officer below Colonel who is over 50 is forced to retire. A large demonstration of old officers gets some news, until the government announces the severance package many of these veterans are getting. It's more than any citizien can hope for, and it quiets the situation down.

THe Navy is going through a hoopla after it's noted that the four oldest ships are to be scrapped. Sailors aboard the Pelayo start a protest, which the government squashed with discipline. Thankfully the government agrees to make the Pelayo a Historical Ship to be donated to a private organization. The other three are to be scrapped.
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 02:13
1909:

THe Morrocan enclaves were ordered to prepare for technical recreation. That meant new roads and a dozen other things. It also meant that the Spanish settlers were ordered to be harsh to the former Morrocan inhabitants. SOldiers made sure that anyone whose family had fought against the Spanish were banished from the three enclaves. Any Morrocan who wished to live there must prove they had nothing to do with the Morrocan Uprising. THis proved hard as many had, and their property was thrown at them, their homnes confiscated. Spain wanted no disloyal subjects near them. The rule Spain showed was that loyalty to SPain would be rewarded, and betrayel would be harshly punished.
Hosagovinia
27-09-2006, 02:15
Tag
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 02:28
(FOr what?)
Haneastic
27-09-2006, 02:31
(FOr what?)

it's a thing people do in general
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 02:32
And I still have no idea what it means.
Haneastic
27-09-2006, 02:34
And I still have no idea what it means.

think it's to show they have interest in this thread, they favorite it, etc.
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 02:36
OOH I see. ALright then.
Hosagovinia
27-09-2006, 02:38
OOC: When I post "Tag" I am doing it so I can subscribe to the thread, so I may find it easier.
Sukiaida
27-09-2006, 07:48
(Plan to send Diplomats to Spain. Perhaps? Interesting.)
Sukiaida
28-09-2006, 03:51
Go here for Population figures.

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Europe/spainc.htm
Malkyer
29-09-2006, 00:35
France responds to the Spanish request, saying that it is willing to sell some quick-firing 75s to the Spanish Army.
Sukiaida
29-09-2006, 08:40
(Alright, here comes light artillery help. THe best in this time for light artillery. Now to get German Machine guns and German heavy artillery and I am set.)

Spain thanks France for it's acceptance of trade. And Spain will send 1 point for massive purchase of the weapon.
Sukiaida
29-09-2006, 09:10
THe horses lathered as they came over the uneven ground. THeir crews bouncing up and down as they stopped the horse. THey instantly got to work, moving the artillery peices around into position. A long telephone line went back towards the command center. It was a field telephone, and these were light artillery men of the SPanish foreign legion. THey unhooked their new 75's, getting them into position.*

*About half a mile in front of them, hunkered under any cover they could find were the second platoon of the first corp. THey saw the machine gun right in front. Thankfully the wires to the telephone weren't botched, as they so often were. And they could see the few guns behind preparing to hit the machine gun position. THey hunkered down as shells landed on the machine gunners.*

*Wood splinters hit the air. One soldier got his hand hit with a stray one, and he nursede the wound with a dozen of muttered curses. The men grinned as they got out of their protection and moved past the destroyed machine gun nest. In truth the machine gun was made of wood. The men holding it, sandbags. The training for the SPanish legion was tough, and they trained in any concievable way possible. Having light artillery support was actually a tried Napoleonic tactic, that didn't work so well with the artillery Napoleon had at the time. With the new 75's, the assault was a breeze. THe light artillery following quickly after the soldiers.

They'd gone 7 miles today. Machine gun nests, other infantry, and even artillery were put in front of them. They knew people would actually die in these attacks in real life, but nothing but a few scratches had hit the First Corp since early morning. Fire discipline was the key. A steady volley fire that came quick and easy had killed Morrocans in the open. NOw in small unit tactics and fire discipline were the stake of the SPanish Infrantryman. ANd artillery was support.

Of course regular infantry didn't get as much practice. Not enough practice ammo. The reserves were lucky to get any of this kind of training. But then again they did at least get some. A new Spanish military doctrine was supposed to be working itself out. And the Spanish Foreign Elite Corp was going to stake it's claim on testing it. The men, still in their packs, huffed as they counted the first few days of 1910 on their fingers. And moved forward.
Sukiaida
02-10-2006, 13:12
*Prime MInister Weyler looked at the men gathered around the table. King ALfonso had used this table when the SPanish government decided it wanted to make SPain a new technological power. Not a colonial power, but one that had the ability to tip the scales in anyones direction. Germany had been considered a possible ally, but now there was an emergecny meeting of all the cabinet members of Prime Minister or dictator Weyler. He sighe das he leaned back. He was getting old. He'd be considered ancient if no one didn';t have the fear he'd kill them if they said such a thing.

THe men sitted around him were tired. Only a handful of nobles were left. And they had been kept because despite the grudging dislike of nobles who tried to give SPain to Britain, they were good at what they did.

THe debate w9ould be on possible alli9es. Despite Portugal's loud boastings, it was seen as a neighbor who was just insultive. A loud barking dog with no actual threat. ANd if it could get past that, a possible friendly ally. Portugal must be debate with. Some of the members didn't like this, but they grudgingly admited it would be better for Portugal to be friendly than to be an enemy.

France was a bygone conclusion. It was easy to convince them that France had to be an ally. Germany was becoming too strong, and a threat. ANd the SPanish people feared that Germany would invade France, and then invade Spain. France had an empire, Germany wanted one despertly and seemed to think the contenent was it's own.

Great Britain caused the greatest uproar. THe cabinet was split. THose who still hated Britains attempt at controlling SPain believed Britain was more a threat than Germany. Others reminded them that the British people had stopped their nobles from even trying. THat it was British nobles, not Great Britain that had been the threat, and that Great Britain had backed off when SPain put it's foot down. Weyler sighed as he saw the heated argument, he'd have to make this decision. ANd if he did it in favor of Britian he'd have to sell it to the people. Even as a dictator Weyler wasn't harsh. As long as you weren't Communist or Anarchist, most SPanish didn't have to deal with the government too involved. Sure they were monitored carefully, but it wasn't much different than a monarchy.

Russia was kept as back topic.

(THis is a secret meeting, meaning it's content is not known to any country.)
Sukiaida
04-10-2006, 14:38
Spanish military starts to petittion for the purchase of some observation baloons and/or planes for use with the military.

THe rest of SPain prepares for the arrival of the President of the United States. Being a veteran of the Spanish American War, a small minotiry of those who still hold resentment to the United States decide to picket. But this is a tiny minority, the majority of Spainards had become anti-colonialist anyways, and find the defeat of the Spanish as a boon rather than a bane to the Spanish people.

Veterans of the Spanish American War pile to greet "the strange enemy soldier" and shake hands. The Prime Minister sets up points, and discusses with the Mayor of Madrid to make sure that security from the "damned Anarchists" does not cause problems during the President's visit. Foods, and other things are set up, as the young girls of Madrid look in disdain as there parents warn them about the "evils" of American sailors. The Meditteranian fleet is ordered to remain, while the Atlantic fleet is kept at it's normal bases. Spanish sailors remain on their normal areas.

The exception of the Spanish military is the Spanish Foreign Legion, which will be the escort for the Prime Minister. They are put in their best dress uniforms to make the best impression. After a decade the Spanish want to give the impression of progress and power to the United States, a resource rich nation that will be despertly needed if fears come to realization.
Malkyer
05-10-2006, 03:56
The French government informs Spain that France as well sees many potential benefits to increased transportation links between the two countries. As to the issue of formal alliance, if Spain puts forth a proposal then France will consider it.

OOC: Send me a TG, and I'll get back to you sometime tomorrow.
Sukiaida
05-10-2006, 15:12
I have sent a TG to show the thought patterns and the plan.
Cylea
05-10-2006, 15:17
On May 12 1910, President Roosevelt arrives in Madrid after crossing the Pyrenees Mountains from France. Although the President's time in the nation will be short, he and his entourage make a point to meet happily with Spanish officials for a day before touring the countryside. By the 14th Roosevelt will be boarding a train for Barcelona that will eventually lead back to Marseille and to Italian Milan.

The watchful eye would notice that the President's guard is considerably more on edge and watchful during its time in Spain. The combination of royal killers here and having been at war just 12 years earlier causes some advisors to recommend not visiting, but Roosevelt will have none of it. He is just a little more careful...

OOC: If you would like, I can cite fluid time here for discussions with Spanish folk as I resolve the rest of the tour.
Sukiaida
05-10-2006, 17:16
The Spanish Intelligence Agency, just forming and still working out the kinks of it's creation are out in style. They wear strange lighter blue police uniforms, and stay on the fringes of the welcoming committie. They are armed with pistols and some with rifles. THey watch the crowds who greet the President.

Through the countryside, the people look in awe at the President's train. Much of the rural areas are the same as they always were. With a few sections of roads being constructed. A car rumbles in the opposite direction of the train. And one rail next to the presidents is worked on by railword workers replacing the older iron rails with steel.

Getting into Madrid was an experience, as a dozen parades had been set up, Prime Minister Weyler on the platform with the Mayor of Madrid. Weyler wore full military regalia, while the mayor wore his homburg and other sets. The Spanish Foreign Legion stood at attention, lining the path towards the Prime Minister. They were a very large guard for both leaders. At a few feet from the post, the guards of the President get a scare as a group of almost a hundred men seem to rush the stage. THey all wear faded white uniforms, and hold straw hats. Veterans of San Juan hill, the only thing that calms anyone down and shows they are harmless is their outstretched hands. A wish on their part to shake the hand of a famous veteran of the same battle. Even if he was on the opposite side at the time.

Prime Minister Weyler shook Roosevelt's hand with a flayboyent, but sincere handshake. The old men wheezed slightly, but kept his persona up. The Spanish believed that the best thing to start off a discussion was a good meal. (INsert the time for discussion.)

THe trip to Barcelona was an interesting trip. THe people of Barcelona, so quick to prepare for a rebellion against the recruitment during the Morrocan conflict, are actually friendly to the President. Conservative, and anti-colonial, they see the Americans as the road to improving SPain by getting rid of those draining and ungrateful colonies. They even have a bullfight for the President, so that he may see the arts of SPain in his short visit. THe rails get choppy as he heads towards France, as the iron rails are older and used to more frequent use than the newer steel ones just laid down. And with the connection to French rails, these are for next year. Farmers are the last thing Roosevelt sees in SPain, an old man behind his team of horses moving a plow over land his great great great great grandfather had owned.

(Will post the meeting later.)
Sukiaida
05-10-2006, 17:45
THe meal was set in front of the main palace of Madrid. The Queen hosted, but she wasn't exactly there for discussing matters, the showing of how government worked in Spain.

Weyler decided that the meal itself would be the best time to discuss things. After all, gestation would appeal to people. He also ordered to have the guards of the president fed as well, with a small amount of wine so that they could keep their faculties. The hard men of the IE kept to themselves rather than eat or drink.

"I hope you enjoy Spanish meals. They are a rather intersting mix of different cultures from the Middle East to the Americas." He smiled with his gray mustache. "But onto business. You see recently the former French government disolved the Entente. This has left a horrible void in Europe. German Alliances are the only ones standing, and this leaves a power gap. SPain is hoping to make Alliances in order to fill that gap."

He swallowed a little wine. "Now what we desire from the US, is not an Alliance, as we believe that the American people would not desire a EUropean ally at this time. No... how did your founder put it, entangling alliances?"

"What we desire of the US is a trade agreement. In a European war, we desire for the United States to be Spain's natural resources supplier. To be able to pass by any blockade that the enemy may think of. In payment for this, we'd promise to buy only US coal and oil for our country, which unfortunitly the market has not deamed fit to find on our own property. Maybe in time." He looked at the President. "I believe this would make some of your companies very pleased to have such a monopoly in SPain. Though with the Spanish government. Spanish companies are not under our control to tell where they buy resources. But that is only a minor thing."
Sukiaida
06-10-2006, 15:44
The SPanish government enacts the laws already put in many of the cities by the Republican process. THese are for public universities and help for the elderly. Culturally familial, the cost isn't thought to be afforded too much. But they are thought of as a possible help for those who do not have younger children to take care of them.

Spain enacts a Level III Social System
Cylea
06-10-2006, 17:27
THe meal was set in front of the main palace of Madrid. The Queen hosted, but she wasn't exactly there for discussing matters, the showing of how government worked in Spain.

Weyler decided that the meal itself would be the best time to discuss things. After all, gestation would appeal to people. He also ordered to have the guards of the president fed as well, with a small amount of wine so that they could keep their faculties. The hard men of the IE kept to themselves rather than eat or drink.

"I hope you enjoy Spanish meals. They are a rather intersting mix of different cultures from the Middle East to the Americas." He smiled with his gray mustache. "But onto business. You see recently the former French government disolved the Entente. This has left a horrible void in Europe. German Alliances are the only ones standing, and this leaves a power gap. SPain is hoping to make Alliances in order to fill that gap."

He swallowed a little wine. "Now what we desire from the US, is not an Alliance, as we believe that the American people would not desire a EUropean ally at this time. No... how did your founder put it, entangling alliances?"

"What we desire of the US is a trade agreement. In a European war, we desire for the United States to be Spain's natural resources supplier. To be able to pass by any blockade that the enemy may think of. In payment for this, we'd promise to buy only US coal and oil for our country, which unfortunitly the market has not deamed fit to find on our own property. Maybe in time." He looked at the President. "I believe this would make some of your companies very pleased to have such a monopoly in SPain. Though with the Spanish government. Spanish companies are not under our control to tell where they buy resources. But that is only a minor thing."

"Ah Mr. Washington," laughed the President. "I do believe he would be turning over in his grave if he learned of my trip to this continent. It has never really been American policy to concern itself with Europe, and while it would certainly be accurate to say that we do not seek alliances at this time, the hour is long passed where we are able to do without friendships here. A stable Europe is the key to a prosperous world for all nations."

Roosevelt set down his glass before continuing. "US companies have already secured deals with France and Britain to market coal to Europe. I expect they would be happy to extend their business to the Iberian Peninsula. I can make no guarantees of the security of these supplies should Spain find itself blockaded by a foreign power, but growing closer together economically may eventually lead to my being able to take a stronger stance on this issue in the future.
Sukiaida
06-10-2006, 18:04
"I believe Washington would find many things about our time interesting and alarming. I myself marvel at how much has changed in Spain since I was born. (1838 God how much had.) "

"Now of course there are never guarentees in wartime. And I hope that a neutral power will be respected in relation to it's trade with naitons perhaps in beligerancy at that time. But in our new century, it seems nothing will be for granted."

"And it is our hope that we shall become closer. In relation to that, it brings me to somewhat of an idea. We've heard that many diplomats in the SPanish countries in your feild actually do not speak SPanish. (This was true at the time. The Mexican Ambassador didn't speak Spanish as an example.) This is of course an extreme problem. If the United States wishes, Spain would be more than happy to help teach Spanish to any ambassadors who may wish it who are posted in Spanish speaking countries."
Cylea
06-10-2006, 20:53
The President chuckled to himself. "If only it was a language barrier to blame for the provocations that have forced us to use a firm hand in the Caribbean."

"The Spanish offer is appreciated. In the future before ambassadors are assigned to the Caribbean or South America they will be informed that the Spanish embassy is open to them for lessons in the tongue that will prove so important to them in the future."
Sukiaida
06-10-2006, 21:04
Good. (I gather that's all we have to talk about. THough I am sure that Roosevelt's people might consider SPain backwards despite all the progress with transportation and such.)
Cylea
07-10-2006, 01:26
Good. (I gather that's all we have to talk about. THough I am sure that Roosevelt's people might consider SPain backwards despite all the progress with transportation and such.)

OOC: Yeah, I suppose that finishes things here--I wouldnt be real concerned about the Americans thinking Spain is backward. Unlike the sometimes too arrogant Europeans, the US values effort at least as much as final results, and it is obvious that the Spanish are on their way up in the world after that beating in 1898.

Love that post right before the meal started (with the farmer at the end) btw. Great work.
Sukiaida
10-10-2006, 18:47
(Lol. THanks. ANyways, hope you have a good time. Spain is trying to bring the balance of EUrope back with a new alliance to counteract the Central Alliance.)
Sukiaida
11-10-2006, 18:32
The advisors were covered in dust as they sat down heavily in their seats. Some were still in China, seeing the effects of the troops and the war there. THey'd written volumes of notes. These two were old cavalry officers, sitting in front of Prime Minister Weyler. "They are dead."

The Prime Minister raised an eyebrow. "The cavalry. Of course the rest of Europe is saying they are nothing but savages and wogs and that's why their cavalry is mowed down by machine guns. But... cavalry with horses is dead as a fighting arm. The best scouting to date, that's for certain. But charging against infantry is suicide. We learned that in the RIF. THe savages cut off our diciplined charge, and massacred the men. No one in Europe saw that. They saw the brilliant French attack, and ignored our Spanish one. Our cavalry is as diciplined as the French. It's going to be a disaester if we use them against diciplined European troops."

He wiped his brow. Spain, the only nation in Europe who'd had the aura of a cavalry charge shot. THere cavalry charge had met with defeat, and the SPanish cavalry hadn't recovered yet. No armored horses, no armored horses. That was what they kept babbling about to Weyler often. He didn't have any armored horses for them. No one did.

"As for artillery. Its good. The Japanese don't have the 75's like we do, and they massacre the CHinese attacks with them. I say we up the training of our troops in close artillery support. We've only really beaten into the Foreign Legion. I say we beat it into the rest of the army. The reserves and the regulars. It'll be tantamount. ANd our heavy artillery can be used to batter down fortresses if needed." He sighed, it'd been one long day.
Sukiaida
14-10-2006, 03:33
May 1911

The IE spends its time queiting newspapers, but the damage with the news has already done it's damage. The image of Germany in the Spanish eye has taken a nose dive. The RUssians would not have, by themselves caused such a problem for the Prime Minister. The news that the assasin of the Tsar may have been a German causes the weight of the bill against Germany makes it even harder.

Germany's image in the eyes of the Spanish collapses when the news is revealed about King Alfonso's murderer. THe assasin of the late king in 1906 is revealed that he became an anarchist in Germany. Germany now takes the role of a hotbed of anarchism, totalitarianism, and communism. SPain goes with slightly impatient, to veiwing Germany as the great evil of the world. (OOC: Germany is where the assasin learned anarchism. He made a trip. THe news of that would have been found out by the government really quickly. And hiding it for 5 years would have been tough, eventually, especcialy with current events. It would have gone out.)

Weyler sits at his desk, thanking god he'd formed the IE last year. They were able to stifle all those cartoonist and newsmen before they got those images of the Kaiser as a murderer out to the presses. It might have been disaesterous if Kaiser Wilhelm knew that many SPainards were saying he was a murderer. Some of the more outlandish stated he killed King Edward, and tried to murder King Carlos. Conspiracy theories are running rampant with the Kaiser as a murdering madman on many people's lips. WIth the IE watching them, they don't say too much. Thank god these people aren't in a full Republic. THey'd make this state draw itself into a war. But the fear of anarchists still in the country kept them under control. THank god. And the Barcelona people still were against war.
Malkyer
16-10-2006, 22:16
The news about the rail connections is greeted with optimism in France, and the Spanish are thanked for their hard work.

In regards to the situation in Europe, France does not believe it will "get ugly," as both France and Italy, which border the Central Powers, are currently neutral, and France is no longer in alliance with Russia. However, the Spanish are welcome to address specific concerns, if they have them.

OOC: Send me a TG with what you want to talk about...
Whittlesfield
16-10-2006, 22:26
Greece offers the use of Sazan Island as a military and naval base for Spanish use, possibly for the advanced observation post.
Sukiaida
16-10-2006, 22:36
Spain forms the Military Research Corps as a tactical display and study for the military prowess of the SPanish People. They openly research and test the regular army to see what manuevers may or may not work, and also watch to see war at the closest that is safe, and sometimes with the rather young group of men, when it's not so safe either.
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Spanish workers slam their heavy hammers as they make the connection to France. The local Mayor of a nearby town makes the last hammer strike. THe men all laugh as his small form struggles. But he does it, hammering the last spike that combines the Spanish and French railways. THe workers grumble as they see the mayor leave. THeir work hasn't even finished as they now have to finish replacing the rest of the iron rails in SPain. THe new steel ones make for a smoother ride, but an ironman never has his work done. THey all sigh.

A French family picnics at the other side of the border. The tall railraodmen are packing up as their car rolls to a hill overlooking the rolling fields of France and Spain. A good spot to be. The children are kept back by their parents as the railroaders have another amusement to laugh at. But they grab their hammers and pile into a truck. THe next stretch of railroad has to be replaced.
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Greece is thanked for it's offer, but SPain at this time has no need for a naval base there. It would like to send it's Military Researchers to the area to observe naval manuevers as the army and navy are in need of research.
Sukiaida
17-10-2006, 18:31
THe SPanish Admiralty is ordered to send 2 Protected Cruisers from the Atlantic Fleet to the Mediterranian fleet for precautionary measures.
Malkyer
17-10-2006, 21:58
Spain is informed that if they pay the cost up front, France will be happy to build two aerial observation units for the Spanish military.
Sukiaida
17-10-2006, 22:25
Spain will work that into it's 1912 budget. And pay upfront that year. *Ergo the first of the years stuff will be put into it.*

The first report from the observers in the Eastern War comes in. THe only real recommendations that are put forward at this moment are "Consolidation" the Russians have not consolidated their armies. THey could destroy the Germans if they simply had one large army that could sweep forward. Keep the enemy at peicemeal, and then destroy it. Though truthfully the Russians haven't made any desperate stands as of yet. Still something bugging the Spanish observers.

Planes are also mentioned, some say they help and some say they hinder good scouting.
Sukiaida
18-10-2006, 05:04
Spain orders three reserve infantry corps into mobilization for protection of the homeland.

The colonies military is put under joint command.
Sukiaida
18-10-2006, 20:43
General Dámaso Berenguer y Fusté is put in command of the new 1st Army that has been created out of the three regular corps and three Activated Reserve Corps.
Sukiaida
19-10-2006, 22:31
Current Eastern War Casualty Lists

Russia:1,454,000 Casualties (422,800 Dead, 449,000 Permanetly Wounded, 384,000 Returning Wounded, 82,800 POW's, 72,950 Missing.)

Central Powers: (German): 967,000 Casualties ( 290,100 Dead, 299,100 Permanetly Wounded, 299,100 Returning Wounded, 48,400 POW's, 48,400 Missing.)

Central Powers: (Turkey): 215,000 Casualties (64,500 Dead, 65,000 Permanetly Wounded, 64,000 Returning Wounded, 10,750 POW'S, 10,750 Missing.)
Will be updated.

Central Powers: (Austria-Hungary): 403,000 Casualties (105,900 Dead, 105,900 Permanetly Wounded, 105,900 Returning Wounded, 64,900 POW's, 17,650 Missing.)
Koryan
20-10-2006, 02:03
The Brazilian Foreign Minister, angry with Washington for letting South America fall into chaos, leaves North America and takes an unexpected trip to Madrid. Due to the long-standing tension between the Portuguese-speaking and Spanish-speaking nations, Brazil has decided to take a step towards better relations and perhaps even friendship with Spain. The treaty does not require either nation to go to war for the other or to give up secret technoligy. It is simply a building block towards a potential friendship between our nations.

A 10 year Brazilian-Spanish Friendship Pact is proposed. It's main points are to:
-Strengthen political cooperation between Brazil and the Spanish Empire
-Encourage open and untaxed trade between the two nations
-Promote the exchange of scientific research and findings across the Atlantic
Malkyer
20-10-2006, 03:24
The French government, noting increased Coalition exercises in the Mediterranean, suggests that naval exercises be held between the French, Italian, and Spanish fleets, in order that the Mediterranean powers are clear in their continued determination to exercise dominion over their strategic rear.
Sukiaida
20-10-2006, 03:46
Spain would be extremelly pleased to start trade and admissions with Brzil. Being a former Portuguese colony does not mean that SPain does not wish to have relations with the new world. We would agree to this 10 year agreement.

The Spanish Atlantic Fleet strips a single armored cruisers for the Mediterranian Fleet.

The SPanish Mediterranian Fleet is at it's allies uses.
Sukiaida
23-10-2006, 19:45
Spain calls up another of it's reserve corps into service.
Sukiaida
26-10-2006, 14:01
Spain orders five more infantry units into service. Only atheletes are excempt. THose already excempt from the draft are continued to be excempt.
Sukiaida
30-10-2006, 19:43
Current Great War Casualty Lists

Allied Powers: (Russia): 2,987,000 Casualties (768,850 Dead, 792,950 Permanetly Wounded, 723,950 Returning Wounded, 513,975 POW's, 131,675 Missing.)

Allied Powers: (France): 1,060,750 Casualties (298,800 Dead, 298,800 Permanetly Wounded, 303,500 Returning Wounded, 83,525 POW's, 50,800 Missing.)

Allied Powers: (Spain): 419,250 Casualties (125,775 Dead, 125,775 Permanetly Wounded, 125,775 Returning Wounded, 20,962 POW's, 20,962 Missing.)

Allied Powers: (Greece): 288,000 Casualties (41,400 Dead, 41,400 Permanetly Wounded, 41,400 Returning WOunded, 153,400 POW's, 6,900 Missing.)

Allied Power: (Italy): 214,000 Casualties (63,600 Dead, 63,600 Permanetly Wounded, 63,600 Returning Wounded, 12,525 POW's, 10,600 Missing.)

Central Powers: (German):2,216,000 Casualties ( 654,350 Dead, 663,350 Permanetly Wounded, 663,350 Returning Wounded, 141,875 POW's, 114,275 Missing.)

Central Powers: (Turkey): 1,026,700 Casualties (274,760 Dead, 277,520 Permanetly Wounded, 272,600 Returning Wounded, 131,785 POW'S, 45,835 Missing.)

Central Powers: (Austria-Hungary): 571,400 Casualties (113,420 Dead, 113,420 Permanetly Wounded, 113,420 Returning Wounded, 203,320 POW's, 26,070 Missing.)

Central Powers: (Japan):417,000 Casualties (123,100 Dead, 123,100 Permanetly Wounded, 123,100 Returning Wounded, 20,850 POW's, 20,850 Missing.)
Sukiaida
30-10-2006, 19:51
SPain organizes it's units to report to the 1st Army immiedietly.
Galveston Bay
30-10-2006, 20:13
Current Eastern War Casualty Lists

Russia: 2,259,000 Casualties (604,300 Dead, 631,500 Permanetly Wounded, 564,500 Returning Wounded, 300,550 POW's, 103,250 Missing.)

Central Powers: (German): 1,171,000 Casualties ( 350,900 Dead, 359,900 Permanetly Wounded, 359,900 Returning Wounded, 58,600 POW's, 58,600 Missing.)

Central Powers: (Turkey): 295,000 Casualties (88,500 Dead, 89,000 Permanetly Wounded, 88,000 Returning Wounded, 14,750 POW'S, 14,750 Missing.)
Will be updated.

Central Powers: (Austria-Hungary): 433,000 Casualties (114,900 Dead, 114,900 Permanetly Wounded, 114,900 Returning Wounded, 66,400 POW's, 19,150 Missing.)

Austrian and Russian POW figures are too low as they had some mass surrenders in the Ukraine. See January/Feb and April/May turns
Sukiaida
30-10-2006, 20:16
All I missed I think, when I went back to it. Are the 30,000 Russian POW's that were at the very begining of the war. THat's the only ones I could find that were different. I'll correct that now.
Galveston Bay
30-10-2006, 20:20
All I missed I think, when I went back to it. Are the 30,000 Russian POW's that were at the very begining of the war. THat's the only ones I could find that were different. I'll correct that now.

130,000 Austrian POWs in Jan/Feb 12, and 200,000 Russian POWs in May 12

both situations are well above usual POW rate
Sukiaida
30-10-2006, 20:24
I added those in. That's why it jumped from around 90,000 POW's to 290,000 POW's. I added both of those in. I just added the 200,000 an hour ago.
Sukiaida
01-11-2006, 19:55
Spain bemoans the defeat of Serbia and it's overwhelming defeat. But SPain also realizes that Serbia still caused death and destruction of German and Austrian soldiers. And that with the three new allies in the war, they are deaths Germany and Austria can't afford.
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 18:35
Spain outlaws any and all trade with any Asian country. This has not been taken severly enough, but will be enforced severly. No Spanish shipping is to be sent to the Pacific for any trade goods. Any Asian products without a reciet that states they were brought before this self embargo, will be confiscated. Any ships seen coming into port will be taken by government police.

(I'm a dictatorship and about time I enforce some things. I don't plan to have my shipping units witled down in a place I am not even involved in.)

The two resources from Morocco will be converted into changing the cavalry units into a single infantry corps. Done in September.
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 21:58
VICTORY

Today the valient Spanish forces put their boots on the German soil. Not French, not Italian boots, but Spanish boots were the first to touch on the enemies soil. The world has thought of us as weak peons, but no longer. SPanish forces attacked and took the city of Saarbrucken today. A glorious victory for our fighting men. We drove the German's out of their hiding places, and pushed forward.

Our government states that this is not the road to Berlin yet, but we say that it is at least the first step to Munich, or Frankfurt. The German forces shall taste the lead of Spanish might.

RECUERDEN ALFONSO!!! And punish the evil Hun for hits treachery.
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A Poster of a group of German soldiers, reeling from a French, Italian, and SPanish soldiers. "The first blows towards victory."

Another poster shows a Russian dueling with a German. A loud cry of dismay comes from the horizon, and the German soldier looks surprised. THe Russian is grinning with big white teeth. "Your judgement is coming closer."
Sukiaida
05-11-2006, 23:11
THe recovered merchant marine men over 50 from the Japanes einterments are put into training captains of the Imperial Navy. THeir knowledge is used to it's fullest, and the slightly younger ones are used for actual captaining themselves.
Sukiaida
09-11-2006, 20:41
Spain moans about the damages to it's navy. The loss of material with the war with the United States was annoying, and now that the navy had just gotten back on it's feet. This happens again.
Sukiaida
14-11-2006, 23:25
(OOC: I'm going to not do casualties anymore. I'm tired of doing them and having someone else come along and say they are completely wrong when the Mod says I just need a few corrections here or there.)
Sukiaida
15-11-2006, 19:32
This is an OOC thing, so I can keep track. Please no comments on how you disagree or something else. That'll throw me off. It's for MY BENEFIT period.

Proposals:
1. Poland (as in the Russian part), Baltic States, W Ukraine independent( It is pointed out that over a million Balts, Poles and Ukrainians are fighting in their own armies and that it would be extremely hard to ever try to reincorporate them into the Russian empire again, not after they've already tasted this much freedom.)

Spanish THoughts: While agreeing that it would be hard, these states must be truly free, and not German puppets. Spain would raise the question of how Germany proposes to make sure that they are truly free and not German puppets.

2. Belorussia is highly negotiable
That's up to Russia and Germany. Spain has no comment.

3. Already got a free Finland
Spain will recognize Finland in a little bit.
4. Trade French Guinea, Dakar, French Equatorial Africa in return for 1939 German/French border on the WIF Europe Map and return to pre war status quo in Morocco
OR
Turn AL into Burgundy(reduces prospect of future war)

Spain's Thoughts:Turning it into Burgandy will not stop the fact that AL is French by rights. And that all those colonies if given should be sold, not traded. A fair price should be given. Even after the US defeated Spain, they still paid for CUba, the Philippines, and the colonies they took. France should get nothing less. The second part of that OR is just reprehensible. As for the status quo in Morocco, that will have to be discussed. Morocco is a pain, and SPain would prefer that Germany not have the islands next to the Canaries. THis threatens their existence. Spain would recommend Rio Muni and Rio Oro be returned to Spain. Rabat and Tangier would gladly be handed back to Germany if that could be reached. ANd hopefully peace could remain in Morocco.

5. Japanese get to keep Sakkalin Island, and all French, Italian forces out of East Asia
Spain's THoughts: SO what does Japan trade in this?

6. Siam gets French Indochina (they won’t be able to keep Vietnam, due to Vietnamese nationalists anyway)
Spain has no thoughts on this.

7. French get their colonies and India and Madagascar back in return for this
This doesn't concern Spain.

8. Allied withdrawal from Syria, Transjordan, Arabia (none are there, but to make sure) and 1939 Turkey while Ottomans get to keep Turkish Thrace, and 1939 WIF border in Europe(Either way in about 3-4 years Arab nationalism will reach a point that holding the Arab parts will be a bitch anyway)

Spanish THoughts: Weakening the Ottomans is a good idea. THey have proven back stabbers and cheats who do not respect a single iota of common international law.

9. Bulgaria gets Salonika, otherwise 1939 Rumanian border for Rumania except for Transylvania, which remains AHE
Spanish THoughts: No. BUlgaria is a savage complaining nation of hypocrits. Simply put, no.

10. AHE keeps Serbia as a province
Spanish THoughts: The Austrians haven't given a single thing in replacement. Have them give up any ideas on Serbia. This single thing could continue the war. The Slav race is the Austrian patsy enough.

11. Rumania regains independence, but must allow 1 German garrison unit on Oil resource, and can only sell oil to other nations besides AHE or Germany or Bulgaria with permission. Sharp limits on Rumanian Army (5 light divisions and no reserve units, plus 1 police division) and no Rumanian Navy and only 1 air unit.
Spanish THoughts: THis makes the Balkans Germany's patsy. No. If they really want peace, they will have a trade mentality. Where is the true trade here? Rumania isn't free under this? It's under the German thumb.

12. Peace treaty between Japan and Imperial China
Spanish THoughts: Japan won't respect it.

13. Japanese Mongolian client state gets to remain independent
Spanish Thoughts: If they are truly independent in the first place.
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 19:37
Spanish War Casualties:

(Spain): 449,250 Casualties (134,775 Dead, 134,775 Permanetly Wounded, 134,775 Returning Wounded, 22,462 POW's, 22,462 Missing.)

French Flu:
Civilian Casualties:4,074,400
Civilian Deaths: 611,160
Civilian Deaths Per 2 Month Turn:48,930

Military Casualties:411,500
Military Deaths: 82,300
Military Deaths Per 2 Month Turn:6,858

Population FIgures: By 1915 the population will have dropped back to 20,048,000. THis includes military deaths, only if peace is declared soon.
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 19:52
Spanish officials fill the streets with men in masks, and hoses. Carbolic Acid and other disenfectants are spread over the poorer sections of the cities, and even some rural areas have the stench of disenfectant pervading thier nostrils. It doesn't do anything at all, except make the faith in the public officials that they voted for rise in the people's eyes. As a health concern, it's at best a distraction.

While the rest of the world calls it the Persian FLu, SPain prefers the term French flu. It's believed in Spain that French soldiers gave the flu to SPanish soldiers, and that this transferred to civilians when the soldiers returned home on leave. The phrase is unique to Spain at this time.
Malkyer
16-11-2006, 23:16
Spanish officials fill the streets with men in masks, and hoses. Carbolic Acid and other disenfectants are spread over the poorer sections of the cities, and even some rural areas have the stench of disenfectant pervading thier nostrils. It doesn't do anything at all, except make the faith in the public officials that they voted for rise in the people's eyes. As a health concern, it's at best a distraction.

While the rest of the world calls it the Persian FLu, SPain prefers the term French flu. It's believed in Spain that French soldiers gave the flu to SPanish soldiers, and that this transferred to civilians when the soldiers returned home on leave. The phrase is unique to Spain at this time.

OOC: GB has ruled that there can be no player action concerning the Persian Flu at this point, because no government in the world knows what it is dealing with; not to mention the fact that germs and pandemics are barely understood at this point in history.

At this point no one on Earth (melodramatic, but true) is at all aware of the scale of what is going to happen over the next two years...to everyone IC, it's just a particularly bad flu season. All of the details concerning drastic disinfection procedures are not realistic, since it is currenty March 1913, and the disease is less than a month old. Also, I doubt anyone is actually calling it the Persian flu ICly yet, since no one has realized it's a major pandemic, so having your people call it the French Flu is definitely early.
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 23:43
OOC: SPraying the poorer sections of a city with Carbolic Acid or other disenfectants is a very common method of treatment in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It doesn't need to be a pandemic to have this sort of treatement done. In fact a little rise in sickness can make it a possiblity. So no, this happened. It's common, and the month old sickness, would have risen a little concern. This action here is for a mild rise of sickness. In fact Spain probably does it almost every year. So no, this is very common. So it's not a plague reaction, its what you do in the 19th century if you have a particularly bad flu season. I support what I did, and will keep it. Quarintine is when it gets particularly bad. Spain in March 1913 simply thinks it's a bad flu season, and so does what it has done for the past century. Calm the publics fear by spraying buildings and areas with disenfectants.

As for the French FLu, thats an explanation that I talked to GB about, and he told me to make sure that I explained why Spain calls it the French Flu. THat's it.
Sukiaida
18-11-2006, 03:19
Two of the Ferrol industrial centers (Damaged) will be put together to create an undamaged Industrial Center. The single remaining damaged center will be 12 of 1914's points. And 3 points to repair the port.
Sukiaida
18-11-2006, 03:20
Spanish War Casualties:

(Spain): 454,250 Casualties (135,375 Dead, 135,375 Permanetly Wounded, 135,375 Returning Wounded, 25,562 POW's, 22,562 Missing.)
Galveston Bay
18-11-2006, 06:59
In Spain, the loss of the Canary Islands and the raid on Ferrol are not happily received by the population.

They blame they government for failing to win the war, the Allies for not doing their part (unfair but popular opinion seldom is), and increasingly the growing casualty lists and growning numbers of mothers and wives wearing black is becoming more and more obvious.

In the Basque country, men stop reporting for conscription and local authorities decide not to enforce it.

In Spanish held Morocco and the Spanish Sahara, it suddenly becomes apparent that the native tribes are increasingly armed with captured French rifles and ammunition (taken in Dakar).
Sukiaida
18-11-2006, 22:59
The Spanish government reminds the populace of the victories of military forces. It also sends troops in to enforce the laws (Which might mean a 1909 massacre in Basque country rather than Barcelona.) and continue recruitment. Those elected officials not enforcing it, are diciplined, and warned of what traitors recieve in time of war.

The government also assures the populace that the war is not lost, and that the peace conference will be able to return the Canaries to Spanish control. And that the Ferrol raid was a simple nuisance, that can be correct within a year.

(Uhhh I ousted all the natives in my Morrocan territories GB. THey are a tiny minority. I mostly just kicked them out of the cities after the RIF was ordered to send it's civilians out. So the population of native morrocans is very very low in Spanish territories)

Spanish soldiers are ordered to deal with the weaposn, and that if Moroccans need a reminder of who won the Morrocan War, they can be reminded again. They are warned though not to cause too much trouble. Keep it peaceful but forceful. In areas that are to most likely be transferred back to Germany, do not cause any trouble there. Watch these people like hawks. Let them make the first big move, and then fall on them like a bag of cement.

Bill 72 is written, a legislative bill that expands on somewhat of the democratic lines of Spain. It's very limited in it's scope. THe legislature would be unicameral, and would only allow an advisory role. No laws could be run through the legislature, they could only give their advice. But it's a small step for those who want more respresenation. And for the conservatives, it's an easily controlled peice of government that doesn't stray too far from the norm. There will be no glorious Second Republic, only a long strained head towards a republican governemtn that will take years.

Prime Minister Weyler stands before an audience in Madrid. His age is starting to show, as he'll be 77 this year. He holds his hands up tot he crowd. "People of Spain. I have served this country, and I will admit I've made mistakes. And yet through our defeats have we not found redemption. WIthout the United States having taken our last colonies, we would have been in civil war. Killing eachother. And the noose of the colonies would have never been removed. This war, is not a mistake. We fight for the security of our country. If Germany invades France, can we be far behind. We have tought Germany that it can not win an easy victory, and that any advance will be made in blood."

"So what do the Germans do. They try to scare us with little raids. To take the Canaries with the Japanese. But, they haven't touched a single foot of Spanish soil and kept it. Spanish troops have kept their soil for a year now. The war has been costly, but it has been costly for everyone. And we have not had any food taken. We have eaten to fullness while other nations are starving. We have enough, and more. And the United States has given us enough to keep us warm. This is not a defeat. It is far from the defeats of earlier. Spain is in fact, much better than before. And this war has taught lessons, we must listen to. But, I am old. I have spent enough time here. I state that in 3 years in 1916, I will retire as Prime Minister, and the Queen shall apoint another."

He let out one long sigh. "The legislature bill we are making will also help us. How can we make a glorious SPain without some advice? Well, we're going to ask for it. And we hope that the SPanish people will be hard working, and friftful as they have always been. The glorious generation of 1898 continues to live, and it shall create more glorious generations. I hope this is the last war. Spain will make the best effort to become a neutral nation after this, but we will try to win this possibility at the current peace conference. We are not defeated. Modern war doesn't have it's Waterloo's, and we have worn down the Germans worse than ever. This is not defeat. And the greater victory shall be the Spain we build in the future. May God BLess and Keep you."
Galveston Bay
18-11-2006, 23:33
(Uhhh I ousted all the natives in my Morrocan territories GB. THey are a tiny minority. I mostly just kicked them out of the cities after the RIF was ordered to send it's civilians out. So the population of native morrocans is very very low in Spanish territories)



ooc
not yet you haven't, and they keep trickling back, and if you did kick them out of the cities, then you get ZERO economic value from your territories because you have totally destroyed the economy

You must clear things like that from me, as there are always consequences, especially for ethnic cleansing
Sukiaida
20-11-2006, 22:06
OOC: Well the ones who swear a loyalty oath to Spain are allowed back in. So I gather that would be the trickling effect as more and more slowly decide the loyalty oath they can lie about or isn't that bad. Spain gives it's colonies some leeway in their control as long as they are loyal. So loyalty oaths would be forced signed if they wanted to return, and explained that rebelling after signing one is treason with execution as the only part. But that if they behave, certain Spanish rights are only just around the corner.

Such as voting for local elections. By the way this fits in SPanish culture as democracy would be much like the Latin American equivalent of Patronage. You vote for your patron. THat's how Spanish democracy works at the moment.
Sukiaida
20-11-2006, 22:09
Spanish War Casualties:

(Spain): 459,250 Casualties (136,875 Dead, 136,875 Permanetly Wounded, 136,875 Returning Wounded, 25,812 POW's, 22,812 Missing.)
Galveston Bay
21-11-2006, 01:04
Spain comes under criticism in English speaking and Latin American newspapers for its foot dragging regarding demobilization, and for trying to make the talks more complex then they already are.

Criticism arises at home as well as women take to the streets protesting over their sons and husbands and fathers remaining in the Army. On June 12, tens of thousands of women gathered in the streets of Madrid, with similar crowds in Cadiz, Seville and elsewhere throughout Spain.

It was soon called Marcha de las Mujeres
Sukiaida
21-11-2006, 05:57
(I've been trying to get travel arrangements with my mother and getting home for Thanksgiving, so that's what was slowing me down. So in truth this has OOC stuff to it as well.)

Spain finally gets railroads secured to started to demobilize it's troops. It does so with a strange gusto as it pulls two static Infantry corps, 3 Infantry Corps, 1 Patrol Airplane Unit, and the Seige Unit back home. It's a huge undertaking as railroads to Spain are back to back with troop transports into the city.

Also on the lists for demobilization are Morrocan Unit, which shall be replaced with a Regular Infantry Unit for security purposes, and a Static Unit put into Madrid.

All are put through their cities and disembarked. THousands of Public Servants are grabbed to make the disebarcation and mustering out of regiments. Thousands are filtered, and then decommisioned. THeir last payment is given, and they are sent home on trains. Trains in the nation are commendeered, and paid for the returning.

The women's marches, are put around police protection, and treat as a legal protest. Others who try more than protest are arrested, but released soon after.

(THis is over 300,000 men, so it'd take awhile to put into effect.)

Only regular troops are kept in the Western Front, and most of them are starting the process for disembarkment.
Sukiaida
21-11-2006, 18:40
The last reservists are sent home in early July of 1913. They were the troops stationed in Cadiz, and are easily sent back home as they never really left Spanish territories. The only troops left on the Western Front are regulars, who have been kept back to French Barracks, built behind the lines. Trenches are left with minor pickets just in case. But they are lazily held, and leaves to Paris are given with wild abandon. Most SPanish regulars are simply waiting to go back home.
Sukiaida
21-11-2006, 19:53
Spain notes that it will be scrapping it's two protective cruisers, and trying to modernize it's navy. It's clear that the little trickles of earlier will not do for the SPanish navy. The army did an excellent job despite high casualties. THe navy did horrible in some fields. THe war has taught alot.
Galveston Bay
21-11-2006, 20:43
Spanish Leftists begin a quiet campaign against the government. Leaflets referring to the war as La Guerra Insustancial (The Pointless War) begin to show up, and underground newspapers criticizing the government come into being.

This is especially apparent in Ferrol, where large numbers of Spanish workers are now out of work because of damage inflicted by the German raid.
Sukiaida
21-11-2006, 21:17
COnsidering that the SPanish Anarchists and Communists parties do not exist due to their hunting and summary imprisonment or execution, this leaves the only leftist party as the Socialist Party. Being that the Socialist are watched like a hawk due to their leanings, Spain finds out about the anti-government papers, and circumvently ignores it. Best to let them think they are succeeding than anything else, and watch them to make sure they don't.

(Is someone funding all this? Because personally you've put more efforts into my thread and undermining my government than any other in the past week, so I am curious as to someone funding this.)

Paranoia from the anarchists days and the fact that it was SPanish populace fears that caused the war in the first place makes the leftists also seem less important. The quick reaction of the government to the protests also shows a positive receptiveness. The main note is simply the distrust of many regular Spainards for liberal views. For many the quick pace of voting in local elections, and the semi-demicratic showings of a new legistlature to be voted on in 1914, are too fast. The SPanish government, local and others starts to respond to the undergorund newspapers as simple leaflets of their own. The note that it's better to fight a war in France or Germany than in Spain. That the SPanish Army needed the boost in morale. That the navy needed to have the last vestigages of the failures weeded out. Now Germany knows that Spanish soldiers are just as good as the rest of the world, and despite German arrogance, Spanish soldiers saw no defeat on the ground, and that a simple raid should not allow anarchists to permeate again.

It's reminded what anarchism brings, death of legitimate governments. The legislature is heralded as a good start to the people's representation. Nobility has been changed towards better ends, and land production has improved. ANd peace will soon be enacted.

(You yourself said you aren't buying a liberal Spain, so this is the reaction to that. Undergrounds are apart of a dictatorship, but effectivly I am using your own words verbatum. If a liberal Spain can't be bought, that means liberals will not get much headway.)

Spain also allocates 1 Points for aid to Ferroll workers who have been put out of work by the raid. One industrial center is to open in a month or so. (The one I combined.) And the repairs to the other are to begin next year. Natural growth should be allowed. Business owners are told that first priority should be given to their former workers.

All of this is a light hand to lessen the load of anti-government mutterings. What will not quiet down on it's own will be snuffed out. The government follows the rules of "Dictoblanda" or Benevolent Dictatorship. Only the stubborn die hards are to be dealt with a harsh hand.
Galveston Bay
21-11-2006, 22:04
COnsidering that the SPanish Anarchists and Communists parties do not exist due to their hunting and summary imprisonment or execution, this leaves the only leftist party as the Socialist Party. Being that the Socialist are watched like a hawk due to their leanings, Spain finds out about the anti-government papers, and circumvently ignores it. Best to let them think they are succeeding than anything else, and watch them to make sure they don't.

OOC
Do not assume that historical events and trends in Spain are going to go away ... Spain has a reactionary government, and it did not get rid of all of the communists, or even most of them just because you say it did. You do not have police units, nor a government type that is effective at ruling in a totalitarian way.

You also have not cleared with me measures against the Berbers in Morocco, or internal dissidents at home. Therefore, until you build the right units, and some reasonable time passes (years), you will have to deal with the fact, like all of the other industrialized nations that aren't very democratic, that when democracy doesn't work, then more radicalized versions of opposition are created.

Your nation also took more war damage proportionally then any other nation except for Greece or Rumania, and has achieved little other then trading the Canary Islands (historically Spanish for nearly 500 years) for parts of German Morocco.

Not a good trade in the eyes of most of the Spanish people
Sukiaida
21-11-2006, 22:09
OOC: I have dozens of garrison units that are all around and inside Morocco. That's supposed to make it less likely to have rebellion. I have almost 4 total, and in one area I have at least 2. I also have other military units there.

As for totalitarian, Spain isn't good with democratic or Totalitarian governments. (Even Franco wasn't a complete dictator after his first decade.) It's always been best as a balance. Which is what the government has. Or at least is trying.

Personally all I want to make sure is that I don't end up with an inevitable Civil War. If a Civil War is inevitable, then I might as well just give up playing Spain. If I can prevent it, then I have a purpose to play in SPain. And yes political trends can be a pain, but they can also be changed over time.
Galveston Bay
22-11-2006, 00:44
OOC: I have dozens of garrison units that are all around and inside Morocco. That's supposed to make it less likely to have rebellion. I have almost 4 total, and in one area I have at least 2. I also have other military units there.

As for totalitarian, Spain isn't good with democratic or Totalitarian governments. (Even Franco wasn't a complete dictator after his first decade.) It's always been best as a balance. Which is what the government has. Or at least is trying.

Personally all I want to make sure is that I don't end up with an inevitable Civil War. If a Civil War is inevitable, then I might as well just give up playing Spain. If I can prevent it, then I have a purpose to play in SPain. And yes political trends can be a pain, but they can also be changed over time.


actually you have 2 garrison units in Morocco-- effectively in the Tangier WIF hex. 1 in Spanish Sahara, so yes, you are making revolt difficult but there are other factors at work you don't know about in IC terms

The fact that the Berbers did revolt and fight the Rif War in spite of Spanish garrisons makes this likely to occur.

Main point however is this, you can't just say "I killed all the commies etc" as its not that simple. Rules exist for suppressing your population (police units), otherwise, you have an ineffective authoratarian state, and those do indeed frequently fail.

I am not going to tell you how to prevent the Spanish Civil War. There are steps you can take, and you have taken some (domestic spending increases for example, appeasing the Mujares, that kind of thing). But other steps are needed and its up to you to figure them out.
Sukiaida
22-11-2006, 00:50
Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure that the Civil War was inevitable. Personally I hate inevitability. Since it almost never exists in history.

And I'll make police units in 1914. That way I have the means to suppress. And I've been hunting down communists and anarchists using regular police. It had to make some headway or trying to do anything is a waste of time.

Yeah don't have corrupt Spanish governments that demonize the monarchy. Though that's impossible with the monarchy of Spain almost ended. THe line was cut, and so Spain remains a dying monarchy no matter what I do. SO that isn't as big a risk. Don't let the different parties become so fractured that they hate eachother and split the Republic when it starts. Don't try to become to democratic too quickly. Don't let the church ahve too much power. I know the causes of the Civil War. Also don't pander to the shrinking colonialist and forget the anti-colonial movement. Capitalize on the Generation of 1898 type positives. Stuff like that.

And I am going on vacation now. So please don't tear apart my country while I am at my mother's. That's all I ask.
Sukiaida
22-11-2006, 11:48
Spain pulls out 2 of it's remaining 3 Regular Infantry Corps and returns them to Spain. The remaining corps and supply unit are simply a show that there is still a SPanish presence on the line. Those units first in line are the ones sent home first, leaving the newer 3rd Corps to hold the remaining lines.

Spain creates dozens of new units, but never calls them up. They are left as replacements for old reserve units destroyed in the war. And they never even come close to conscription.

The two older Protected Cruisers of the fleet, now that Armored cruisers are obsolete, are to be scrapped. Their replacements are not seen for the future, but they are currently seen as a waste of taxpayers money.

The Spanish government prepares for the January 1914 election. Something has been mentioned about parties. Local elections are on independent terms, so this is of major concern. Too many parties will cause too much confusion and chaos. And could undermine the point of having an advisory legislature.

The government states it will discuss possible accepted parties, and will be limiting it to four. Any other party should work with the accepted parties to run on.

(These will be announced in October of 1913. But the four will be the Conservatives, Nationalists, Socialists, and Young Republicans also subtracted 1 Corps for deaths due to the Influenza.)
Sukiaida
28-11-2006, 07:58
January 1914:

Elections are held for the new legislature, which will be named the Cortes. The Cortes will have each province represented by 3 respresentatives. The parties allowed will be able to run. Just because only 4 may be voted on, does not mean that the other parties are illegal. Unless they are anarchists or communists in origin, other parties may exist. THey just won't be on the legislative votes.

The voting of local units has allowed some autonomy in certain districts. Though ordered by Madrid, they also have a certain power over their lives never heard of before. Some look to the future of hope for a Federal government. The current government is centerist, but it also shows signs of wanting to slowly republicise the country.

THe accepted parties are as follows:

Falange Espanola de Las JONS: THe Nationalists Party, garners most of it's support from the military, the church, and the landowners. (20% of the legislature)

Confederacion Espanola de Derechas Autonomas: The COnservative Party, garners most of it's support from Right Wing Catholic Parties. (32% of the legislature)

Partido Socialista Obrera de Espana: The Socialists Party, garners its support from most socialists as a moderate socialists party is all that is allowed legally. Some more radical parts do take part, but the socialists party is able to keep them more under control than possible. (27% of the legislature.)

Union Republicana: (Different than in History) The Republican Party, garners support from the middle class as it's a centre party. It has a major following in the city among those who are not the working class. (Which belong to the Socialist Party) (21% of the legislature.)

THe first meeting of the Cortes is to be held in June, where they will hold an audience with Prime Minister Weyler to talk about current economic problems caused by the war.
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A new police force is created to help the IE. THey are in truth a secret police. But they are small, and their powers are limited. THe Civil Guard does not have the brutal reputation as it is limited in it's actions. Peaceful protests that do not impede Public works are legal. Private works are allowed to be protested with the exceptions of the railroad, though greivances can be filed. Any subversive strikes will be brought deown, the government deciding on true grievances.

THis is added that workers can not be bullied in voting. The voting of some workers has been threatened with firing unless they vote the way the employer wants. THis is made highly illegal as a gross violation of SPain's future progress.
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Soldiers returning home flood the art and writing world with war related topics. Piccasso starts to draw paintings of the devestation of the Western Front, which he visits periodically from his showing in New York. He returns to SPain, showing support for Pacifism, and peace in SPain. THe quick return of SPanish troops on demand of the people delights him, and he paints another painting about the large female protest. One of the books being written by a SPanish soldier titled. "Todos silencio encendido el occidental fachada."
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Other questions arise. Large female uprisings, as well as the belief of women being apart of the political process rises. But female voting, is put down by the majority of the legislature. THey do not advise it. Universal Male Sufferage is barely a decade old, and the Cortes believes that women are just not ready. Besides they should be kept pure and away from such a tainted thing as politics. Only a few more radical Socialists support the idea.

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1% unemployment due to soldiers returning home. Many are hired by the government to build the new merchant fleets. It's a massive undertaking, and many sailors are recruited for their knowledge so that these ships may be built properly.
Sukiaida
29-11-2006, 17:25
Spain makes it's anti-Jewish laws more lenient. Taking down a few of the harsher measures. (Which have been in place for a long time, and most people don't really care about anymore anyways.) And allowing Jews to return.

Other news, Spain starts its first Cortes session, allowing for lots of talk. It seems land reform is the most debated about topic.

In Morocco the government is told that funds will be sent to start the creation of a Moroccan Industrial Center in Melilla. This will help with the high unemployment in Morocco. Also, a new division is to be created for the Spanish Foreign Legion, called the Moroccan Division. It will be entirely made up of loyal Moroccans who will sign for 5 years of service, which after completion will have a complete Spanish Citizienship along with voting, and a 1,000 Pesseta retirement package.
Sukiaida
30-11-2006, 19:03
Proposed Land Reform Charter of 1915

Property RIghts Mandate:

1. All formerly owned propery is not to be touched, and all legality of said property is tantamount. Land Owners at this time will not be infringed, or bothered with their land, and their land currently owned will not be touched. Church property is also kept as private property of the church, and shall not be touched or infringed.

2. New Land Owners by this Reform will have thier property set as private property and shall from here on out be legally kept to said property.

Property Acquisition Mandates:

1. THe government shall survey, and seperate into private lots previously unused, and unbought land. This land will be written, and diagramed. (Map Presented of land.)

2. Unusued land shall be seperated into Small, Medium, and Large lots. Each will be an even 35% of the land used.

3. THose who wish to use the funding shall be allowed a stipend that shall be the cost of the land, seed, and machinery needed to raise a farm for it's first 3 years. After this, the owner must keep his property for 5 more years afterwards at which time he may sell the property as he wishes and will be full owner. During the first 3 years, the farmers must sell to the government their surplus food, and will be given fair market price for their food.

4. If large landowners wish to buy the Large lots, they may purchase them for what the grant would provide, granted that they use the land for farming, and only farming.

5. Small and Medium Lots will not be for outside purchase.

6. Funding will be provided for the Land Reform Commision, which will be responcible for setting up and monitoring purchases and farm units. No specificiations for the grant shall be made, except for crop yeild. If yeild is low do to drought, the farmer is not responcible. If for lazyness, then farm grant can be recinded. THis will be judged by the Commision. Anyone of lower, or middle income can apply.

7. Targets for this reform are landless farmers, to give them land that currenlty unused can be used to make a grand granary of Europe once again.

8.(Optional) If a group of small land holder wishes, they can create a collective farm. THis is recommended in areas where the land is not high enough yeilding for some crops. This will allow them to collectivly farm. (Very succesful for the Republicans in 1936, despite negative media)
Sukiaida
01-12-2006, 20:58
July, 1914:

The committee for the development of tactics and war is created. They are to test weapons, and decide what changes should be made to the army and navy.

Report Due: December, 1915.

Findings of the Commitee in 1915:
Need for Automotive Industry
Need for Aviation Industry (Spend 100)
Need for Modernized Navy (Buy and Build Modern SHips when Capable)
Designation of Mark I Helmet to be issued to soldiers. (Immedietly made in 1915)
Designation for Light Machine Gun modeled after British Lewis. (Only able to make in 1917.)
Need for Naval Research. List of ships needed for modern navy written. (On Page 1.)
Safehaven2
04-12-2006, 22:57
Germany aproaches Spain after thinking over Spain's proposed NAP. Germany is willing tosign a NAP and is also proposing a Treaty of Friendship. Spain is informed that Germany would like to get closer to Spain, much closer. Germany points out that neither Spain nor Germany have anything to gain out of fighting each other.
Whittlesfield
04-12-2006, 22:59
Greece approaches Spain with a view to furthering ties between the two nations.
Sukiaida
05-12-2006, 02:54
Spain agrees to the Greek willingness for closer ties, though once again Spain reminds the Greeks that Spain is not going to war over the Balkans as it sees this area of the world as a hotbed. But that help in food, or perhaps other problems can be held.

Germany is told that this would be extremelly well taken, as Spain needs the benefit and help of all major European nations if it is to be succesful as a grand neutral. Since the Allies have decided that Spain is no longer needed, then Spain has no ties to anything, but peace. And since Germany is very correct, that Spain has nothing to gain from fighting Germany, as both nations have nothing to argue over really. A simple term is noted, that Spain does not wish it's neighbors in France any harm either. The negative feelings between France and Germany may have allowed the French to have acted a little rashly, but Spain believes that Germany and France should also remain at peace. If only that "Balkan Problem" could be solved, Europe would have a century of peace like it did after Napoleon left.

A Treaty of Friendship is a little premature at this moment, but in a few years (3 or so) then it would be entirely appropriate.
Abbassia
05-12-2006, 19:47
Assuring us such a thing only shows Bulgarian aggression and not Rumanian guilt. It also shows a rationale that the smallest excuse to invade might be set upon. That favors Rumania's case, not Bulgarias. Now lets get off this threatening, and get the trigger finger off the trigger. Present the precise laws Rumania has set before the international community so we may look at them.

OOC: Resuming Discussions here...

We were not threatening; we were explaining that the Provative Line Rumania is taking shall not lead to their victory, at most it will only mean the loss of many good men.

The laws that grieve us are those forcing Bulgarians to show gestures of respect to the Rumanian flag while travelling, untill now Rumania has not listened to our grievences and only responded by slandering the Bulgarian State and king aswell as publically and formally insulting the Bulgarian People. We have only placed Punitive Tarrifs and closed our borders with them in protest for the continuity of this law and never threatened outright war. Yet it seems that Bulgaria is thought to be the aggressor in this matter,..
Sukiaida
05-12-2006, 19:58
And we are saying that to continue to make statements that Rumania by not listening will only bring about the death of good men, what is the rest of the world supposed to think? It's also rather disturbing that such an outcry is made over such a minor law. Spain would hope that Bulgaria would show respect to it's flag when they were in attendance. Why does Bulgaria not wish to show respect to the Rumanian flag? Does not Bulgaria want Rumania to show respect for it's symbols? ANd your actions can be the first steps towards hostilities. If the mention of hostilities were left out of your rhetoric, then Bulgaria would simply be seen as making a formal complaint.

It's the frantic nature of Bulgaria that is concerning. In the line, "take a deep breath" and relax. Also, they meet your attempts with insults. If I remember correctly in 1906, Portugal made such a HUGE (It was rather large) slander campaign against Spain because of the accident over ships being commandeered. Spain paid the money, and still Portugal insulted us. Did we react? Did we fight or threaten to crush Portugal, which we could very well have done.

No. We didn't. It slid off our backs like water off a ducks. Spain finds itself in a strange perdicament here. We're getting closer with better relations to our former enemies, and our former allies see us as traitors for that. But, we only wish for peace. It may seem like we are taking Rumania's side, but in truth we are simply trying to help Bulgaria. Bulgaria has to be careful. Paranoid it may be, but it does have certain countries that wish it's destruction. Therefore, moderate yourself. If the points are respect for symbols and insults, that is hardly the point of bother. In fact a perfect point would be to simply enact the same law. If Bulgarians must show RUmania respec,t then that is the same needed for RUmania. If they refuse, who looks like the instigaters then? Rumania does. The Bulgarians have simply enacted a law Rumania has itself, and if they don't refuse, then both sides have equal respect to eachother's symbols. THough having it as a legal form is rather unfortunate.
Sukiaida
05-12-2006, 20:26
Spain denotes that it will be building railroads in it's Moroccan colonies. Any Moroccan wishing for work will be paid regular wages for the construction. Cost of this transportation will be .2 points for 3 years. This will begin in 1916.
Abbassia
06-12-2006, 11:40
We are happy to inform the Spanish that we have finally achieved a breakthrough in the Rumanian affair and have returned to the status quo, although this may have dented future prospect of normalisation with Rumania, we are happy we the current results.

We are also grateful for the advice and wisdom Spain has given us regarding this affair and will try to utilise this during future incidents, may they be few for the both of our grand nations.
Sukiaida
07-12-2006, 01:39
Spain is glad that the Balkans were able to have a peaceful resolution, and that Bulgaria remains at peace with it's neighbors. Hopefully this shall continue. And there is no amount of help we will not do if it brings a just peace.

And hopefully our small empire will remain at peace as well. The last war should have taught the world the destruction if we do not have peace.
Sukiaida
07-12-2006, 01:46
Spain relegates it's observation planes to a reserve status, seeing them as older models that need to be put less on the tax dollars of the country.
Sukiaida
08-12-2006, 17:20
"ALright. THis is the Mark I helmet. It's meant to protect your brains in what would scramble them if you weren't wearing them." THe sergeant was yelling at the newer conscripts as they'd always done since the begining of time.

"It looks like a breast." One of the soldier's commented. THe round spherical shape, with a slight point made from when it was made did give it the sense of a woman's breast. THe leather straps to tie it on the head didn't exactly appeal though. And once it was on someone's head, it stopped looking anything like it.

"It's not soft like one, or like your head. It won't stop a direct hit, but an indirect hit will possibly glance off."

"You mean like Don Carlos?" THe soldiers laughed. Every Spainard new about Don Carlos. A private during the war, he'd been shot in the head by a Maxim round. The stretcher bearers debated whether to bring him in at all. But he had a strong pulse, and he was breathing on his own power. Of course that just meant he'd go into a bed and continue living without knowing he was alive. Wounds like that sent shivers down soldiers spines. Better to be killed clean.

The doctor had been in back, looking at the wound from afar as they brought him in, all thought the same exact thing, though the stretcher bearers did tell him about the strong pulse. Right before he was about to check the wound, Private Don Carlos had sat up. "Oh my head. Doc, do you have an asprin?" He'd held his hand to his head as if he had a migraine. It seems that Don Carlos had been one of the lucky ones in flukes of war. The bullet had been at such a shallow angle, it bounced off the skull, and then followed the skin out the other side. A one in a billion shot. He'd been used for rallies ever since, and no one didn't know about the luckiest bastard in existance in Spain.

Now these soldiers saw the helmet as a positive. THey were also being issued the 1915 Morino. The Mauser company of SPain had changed it's name, with German permission, and had issued a new rifle to the SPanish army. A 15 clip fit into a magazine that made the rifle bulge slightly at the bottom. The bolt worked quickly though and she was a rather well made rifle. So the men didn't complain. New helmets and rifles for the Spanish army.
Sukiaida
11-12-2006, 22:43
Spain starts to move the paperwork to selling the Canaries to Great Britain. The inability of Spain to protect the islands has been aparent when the Japanese invaded it in 1913. The sale for 20 points is noted, along with the investment of this 20 points into the Spanish Aviation INdustry Fund.
Sukiaida
12-12-2006, 19:41
Debates start to begin on who the next Prime Minister is to be. The Cortes sends a long list of possible clients for the job, but in truth everyone knows that the canidate will be a "former" general. The most popular front is for General Berenger, who lead most of the fighting during the war. The General Sarujji is the second canidate, who still fumes that the war ended before he could do any major attacks.

The queen is the one to appoint the Prime Minister, and as Weyler prepares to retire from public life, many wonder who she will appoint. Elections for local officials begin in some provinces, especcially in Feroll, which elects it's first Socialist mayor. Most who know him support Berenger, seeing him as a reformists and believing he will continue to start of slow republicanization that Weyler began.
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In other news, the Assault Guard begins it's attacks on anarchists. The 10,000 member police unit is sent to find anarchists, and arrest them. Being an anarchists is a life imprisonment term, with the only chance of release in revoking anarchist tendancies and returning to a good conservative lifestyle.

The Assault Guard is known for breaking down doors, and shooting any who try to escape. They are considered the more brutal of the police units as they deal with anarchists. Anarchists who are known for seditious acts are killed immiedetly.

The Civil Guard is assigned to deal with Communists. Communism is much less reviled. It's made semi-legal in the fact that you can be a registered Communist, and only have to pay a 2% tax increase. The Civil Guard becomes known as "the tax men" as they are just as annoying as a tax man making a call. Unlike the Assault Guard, the Civil Guard knocks first. They are also known for not beating an assailent out of pure spitefullness like the Assault Guard. They escort a prisoner, and often a communist escorted by the Civil Guard is home by supper, as they are simply registered as a communist, have the 2% tax added, and given a 25 pessetta fine for not registering on time. THe tax is removed if a communist revokes his status and becomes a member of the "legal" parties.

Land Reform still stays on the shelf, not really seen. It's expected that the new Prime Minister will deal with it when he starts office.
Amestria
12-12-2006, 22:55
Spain starts to move the paperwork to selling the Canaries to Great Britain. The inability of Spain to protect the islands has been aparent when the Japanese invaded it in 1913. The sale for 20 points is noted, along with the investment of this 20 points into the Spanish Aviation INdustry Fund.

The reaction is overwhelmingly negative from all sectors of Spanish society, be they leftists, rightists, Nationalists, Republicans, Socialists, capitalists, workers, or members of the Military. The fact that the Government is even considering selling the Canaries, Spanish since 1495, to Great Britain is seen as further evidence of the current Government being completely out of touch with Spanish interests. No one cares for the Governments "crazy scheme" to use the money to build a Spanish Aviation Industry.

That, on top of Spain’s disastrous involvement in the "Pointless War," heavy handed repression, and the fact it earlier gave away certain Spanish African colonies to France and Germany for a pittance (ooc not even a point), causes anger and dissatisfaction to boil over even among those citizens who had previously supported the regime.

There are massive protests throughout Spain as people of all stripes vent their anger at the Government. A coalition of high ranking military officers informs the Spanish leadership that it has lost the confidence of the people and if it attempts to go through with the sale it will lose their confidence as well, with all that implies.

OOC: If you try to go through with selling the Canaries your Government will fall.
Sukiaida
13-12-2006, 00:45
OOC: WHich was one of the conditions I left in place just in case. If threatened with Civil War, SPain retracts it's sale due to internal problems. Also how was it disaterious. I lost no territories due to the war and my army never lost a battle. Expensive though they were, I never lost a battle. How is that disasterious?

IC: The SPanish govenrment, in trial, and after all based on the Cortes (Which would be the first to complain after all.) cancels the sale of the Canaries, siting that the very notion that the Cortes has influence that it's a success. The fact that Berenger didn't comment on what he thought of the sale allows him to use his spot against the Canaries, and that the solution to the defense of the Canaries is a stronger navy allows him more support. Weyler's regime is therefore told to hurry up in getting things taken care of.

Britian is notified that due to internal reason's Spain must cancel the sale of the Canaries.

As a sign of Berenger's spot, he notifies the Atlantic Fleet to remain in the Canaries, using the political statements and protests to start support for his new govenrment. (Good thing I used 1916 as the year for both.)

In early 1916, Berenger uses the support from speaking out against giving up the Canaries to be appointed Prime Minister by the Queen. He promises to listen to the Cortes more than the former, and that certain modernizations shall continue without giving up the Canaries.
Sukiaida
13-12-2006, 01:45
Prime Minister Weyler sat in his office, his head in his hands. His succesor was speaking out about his attempts at the Canaries. His support had fallen to a trickle, and his responce had been to dump the responcibility on the new Prime Minister. He'd promised to retire by the end of this year. He'd been a general, the top of his class at military school. His earning of a military commision had been his best work, and the Cuban problem hadn't really been his fault. The entire concentration camp fiasco had simply been greedy ship owners.

All he ever wanted was to sit at some beaurocrat job when he got older, and he'd ended up having to control a country. He'd been able to keep it together despite the death of the monarchy. He'd stood up to the British when they tried to rule the country as a dominion and those little nobles tried to give it away. Yet what would his legacy be? That he tried to give away the Canaries. That's all people remembered, the negative.

He sighed, laying his head on his desk. Republican government, the modernization of the nation. Only a few decades away. He'd started to ball, he might historically be remembered as a tortured ruler, who tried to balance oppression and fairness. Soon, a few months really, silent movies would start to open all across SPain. American, French, German, Russian, dozens of movies would open to show the Spanish people what soldiers at the front had seen behind the lines in France a half decade ago.

Cars were becoming more common, upper middle class people could afford them now, and with Ford's becoming affordable to working class Americans, the costs couldn't be far off before horses were less and less apart of SPanish cities. And in truth, the Spanish people had united against the Canaries, they'd wanted to keep them. Nationalists, Socialist, all of them who might be at eachother's throats were at least agreeing on something. The Cortes was accepted, local elections were accepted. And yet still all he'd be remembered for were those damn failures. It wsan't fair.

He closed his eyes, letting out little breaths of air. He should have died in 1929, an ancient man. A man forgotten by the country as a whole for fialures in the 19th century. Instead, the stress of controling the country through a war no one understood, eventually caused his death 13 years too early. He died asleep on his desk, his old age having finally caught up with him. Perhaps it was for the best. An old man of the middle 19th century didn't have the energy for the new 20th.

Newspaper CLipping:April 15, 1916
Prime Minister Weyler dies of stroke at age 78 in his office. Prime Minister Berenger to take office soon.

(Stress and too much responcibility, along with a bout of influenza would probably have killed him off. He was 78 years old in 1916. Extremelly old for the early 20th century. And ancient by 19th century standards. What that effects government wise I'll bug with later. Berenger is the one who coined the phrase Dictablanda for those who are wondering who he is. And yes Berenger is appointed by this time. He can use the fact that the country becomes tech lvl 5 in 1917 to his advantage. He's the hero of the hour and much younger. 44 instead of 78 in 1916. Can be enerjetic.)
Sukiaida
13-12-2006, 02:04
(Dámaso Berenguer's speach to be inserted here.)
Sukiaida
16-12-2006, 22:08
The group pulled out the map. Spain's exploration had been dead for quiet a while now, but oddly enough the rest of Europe and even America was sending explorations into this area. What was it?

The Spanish maps of Antartica were slightly older, and they mulled over it for awhile. "This is what they want? THis wasteland? Why? What importance does it have. Fight over that?" They shook their heads. To them Antartica wasn't worth the time. Local and regional and state issues were what was important. Why bother with a frozen hunk of ice that was worth three pessettas at most? What were they thinking?

(Nothing, just suspicion and stuff. Nothing major. Ehh)
Sukiaida
19-12-2006, 16:04
Prime Minister Berenger, reassablishes the naval base at the Canaries to show Spain's new regime's statements for keeping the islands til the sun sets and never rises again.

He also brought Sanjurjo to his office, the men never did get along well after Sanjurjo had been sent to replace the General who got stuck in Germany. Berenger wasn't pleased that they'd tried to repalce him, and Sanjurjo wasn't happy that he'd been given command of an army, only to see it "betrayed" by having the war end before he could use it.

Berenger talked to him, both of the men Nationalists. Though in truth what army soldier or officer wasn't apart of the new Nationalists party? Weyler had been of the Conservative field. Strangely enough Berenger was a little more forward thinking than most Nationalists. He saw the national stake as one of moving forward. THe old corruptions must be slowly phased out. Many believed in the careful screening. Instant revolution would be disaesterous to Spain. Sanjurjo on the other hand looked grim. What did his rival who used the insanity of protests in keeping the Canaries as his ticket to salvation want with him?

"A cold winter." Berenger smiled as he sat at his desk. Sanjurjo had ridden in a car, and thanks to that former enemy of America, it seemed cars were slowly starting to replace horses in Spain. Something unheard of when the military took the reigns of government 11 years ago.

"Yes it has been." Sanjurjo was curt. He was known for pomp, but here he kept quiet. The rivalry had to be shut down, or he might end up with command of all forces currently in charge of the Canaries. Since the Navy was in charge of that, an Army officer would be next to useless. It was the post that they sent old men so they'd retire. He was only a year older than Berenger and at 45, he didn't want to retire.

"What do you think of the new policies in Morocco?" Berenger sat back, lighting a cigar.

"A little too lenient, but they seem to be succesful." He twitched, remembering the revolt of 1906 and that terrible year. Admitting that the Spanish Moroccans were quiet in the little enclaves, and that the French inherited a time bomb when they got Spanish Sahara was something no self respecting Nationalist would admit. Spain wanted to refrain from a mistake like that again. And even the more dogged conservatives had to admit that the war had improved the SPanish Army, and that the more republican ideals had codified some of the coruption of the populace. Thank god the nobles commited political suicide in 1906 by trying to appease the British. Not hearing them and their new monarchy was becoming a blessing. Though some Nationalists didn't believe they needed the queen, but her long life would help this government appear legit. And the Cortes was a bunch of squabbling groups anyways. THey needed a strong leadership until they "grew up" as was the popular saying. Of course what that might mean.

"And if you were to be in Morocco?" He left the question open.

Sanjurjo skinned back teeth. He knew exactly what the Prime Minister was up to. He was dumping him off. Giving him an appeasement by making him governor of the Enclaves. And as long as long as he played by the rules and kept them under wraps, he'd be fine. His own little colony to control. Of course he'd be expected to keep the building, and expositions going. If he didn't, he'd be stuffed with 100% of the blame. Well, fine, as long as he didn't have to be directly under this man's thumb. And eventually he'd find something to nitch at Berenger's armor, and become Prime Minister himself.
Sukiaida
21-12-2006, 16:50
Spain
Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship
Year: 1917
Population 20,767,000
Tech level: 5
Peacetime Market Economy: 2%

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level:2
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 6 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 2)
Resources 13 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 6, Seville 4)
Morrocan Resources: 1
Food production: 47
Need: 20
Surplus: 27
Earned from Surplus: 5 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (1 of these is a tanker unit)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 10 Shipping Units

Fuel Used: 4 Coal
1 Oil
Fuel Produced: 0 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 4 Coal (World Market)
1 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending 3: 6 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships 4.5 Tech

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands
Cost: 3 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Canaries)
2 BB1 (Pre-Dreadnaught Battleship)
5 Light Cruisers (US)
2 Destoyer Flotilla (1 4.5 and 1 5)
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
3 CA (Armored Cruisers) (Scrapped)
2 Destroyer Flotilla (1 4.5 and 1 5)
1 Torpedo Boat Flotilla (Scrapped)

Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Fighter Unit (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 14

Regular Military: 421,000 Men (2% of the population.)
Reserve Military: 519,000 Men (2.5% of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense:31 Points
Total Production:50 Points
Spending Money: 19 Points
Economic Growth: .4% Growth

Spending: 1917
2 Light Cruisers (UK)- 2 Points (2/2)
Moroccan Transportation Improvement- .2 Points (2/3)
Dreadnaught Research(Cadiz): 0 Points (1/3)
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (0 out of 100)
1 Minesweeper Flotilla: 2 Points (1/1)
1 Escort Flotilla: 4 Points (1/1)

SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year.
310,000 added for 1918.
Sukiaida
03-01-2007, 15:24
The SPanish Cortes meets for it's 6th year, spending time disucussing the Washington Naval Treaty, and the reassurgance of the Land Reform Bill.

Nationalists: On the Naval Treaty, they see it as an affront to Spanish pride. The fact that the United States has seen fit to lump Spain together with such nations as the Netherlands is insulting. They wish to find loopholes to exploit in the treaty, with the more adamant members wanting to ignore it all together. They support a doctrine for Europe against America like America has in the Monroe Doctrine. "If Europe is to stay out of American business, then by god America should stay out of European business."

The Land reform strangely gets support from the Nationalists. Though concervative, they seem strangely to support it. (In truth the Socialists sold the item to the Nationalists as a strengthening part. More food allows Spain more strength, and the Socialists have made an excellent campaign in the nationalists sector.) The Nationalists seem impatient to pass it.

Socialists: The Naval Treaty is a dangerous peice of legislation, something that could endanger Spain. It limits a nation bordered by water too much. Loopholes must be found or SPain is in mortal danger. The Spanish navy is starting to grow, and now it's being limited. The Socialists also use this as a point to show the oppression of the United States on the Spanish speaking peoples of America.

Land Reform, excellent idea. Socialists are for it entirelly, though they desire to manipulate the part of public warrens. They realize that selling the idea will be hard if they press that too publically.

Conservatives: The Naval treaty is a little insulting, but it's for the best. Spain has worked too hard to get back into the United States good graces to suddenly go hard for loopholes. Ignoring the treaty altogether is frightening. THey state that there can be a strong Spanish navy without dozens of battleships or cruisers.

Land Reform, they are the most against it. Stating again and again that it's not ready. That no matter what land nobles will refuse. Their arguments would be harder believed if the fiasco of the Canary Islands hadn't happened before.

Republicans: The Washington Treaty will keep the other nations in check. Besides as neutrals the Spanish have no need for a huge navy. And couldn't compete anyways. Loopholes are quietly coughed at. This group is the most Pro-American.

They see the Land Reform as unneccesary, it's not the time. It's also un-Market Economy based. And could be hurtful. (The Socialists are mostly spending their energy convincing the Republicans to support. THe COnservatives are attempted as well, but most of the energy goes here.)

Berenger: As a Nationalist, he believes that the treaty is a farce. A point to make the empires more powerful and leave the other nations in the dust. He believes loopholes should be exploited extremelly. Though ignoring the treaty altogether, he says to wait and see.

Believes the Land Reform could be extremelly helpful and protects everyone. Wants this to be pushed.

(On Alfonso's son, will post later.)
Galveston Bay
04-01-2007, 19:19
Tech level advances result in discovery of useful coal deposits in Ferrol region (Ferrol 2 Coal), while agricultural productivity increases from 47 to 55

Spain also gains 1 resource at Cartegena (Spanish wine production increases)
Sukiaida
04-01-2007, 21:07
Thanks Galveston. I'll make the corrections to my stuff now. I was checking and saw it, and at that moment Jolt decided to mess with me. Horrible horrible.

IC: The lazy breeze from outside passed by the recruitment desk. Franco yawned as he looked at the eager young Morrocan. Since the railroad had been built, only half the former workers were needed to run it. That meant alot of unemployed young men.

Franco himself was now second in command of the Spanish Foreign Legion. Colonel José Millán Astray was first in command. He alternated training exercises with the men of the Legion with Franco. This time around, it was Franco's turn to sit in the seat for recruitment. Not that it was very hard.

Thankfully, being in Morocco didn't postpone his marraige. Carmen Polo y Martínez-Valdès, a noblewoman he'd met after the war was coming by ferry to the peaceful enclave. WIth no rebellion, and the belief that it was extremelly unlikely with General Berenguer having constant progressive thoughts in the enclave, it didn't look like he'd need to keep her in Spain. (Unlike in real history where he had to constantly postpone his marraige due to the RIF war.)

He shook his head, that would be in a couple weeks. THe young man in front of him was what he needed. WIth jobs scarce, and with the industrial development program looking for funding, many young Moroccans were trying to find work with the Colonial Army. The Foreign Legion paid better than the colonial army, but getting into the Africa Corps wasn't a bad job either. Franco could understand that. Spainards in Morocco treat most natives with a sense of neglect and disrespect. When a Moroccan man put on a uniform that changed. Moorish troops, as the Spanish called them, were given extreme respect. Some of it was fear for troops extremelly brutal and well trained. But the uniform made the Moor troops almost Spanish. The Moroccan men loved the respect, and revelled in it. The comraderie with their Spanish comrades helped as well.

Franco slowly yawned. Looking at the large painting on the back wall at least gave him something to do as he went through the paperwork. It was titled "The Assault on Fortress Tangier" a long work of the earlier SPanish Legion that had become the Africa Corps, when it assaulted Tangier. Only 2,000 casualties. The Western Front lost that in a week. If not a day. Franco shivered. He wondered how Father was doing. Good man, probably became a priest by now. Well, maybe something would happen after he sent Carmen back home after their wedding. A little trip to Madrid would be nice.
Sukiaida
04-01-2007, 21:38
Spain
Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship
Year: 1919
Population 21,397,000
Tech level: 5
Peacetime Market Economy: 2%

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level: 3
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 6 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 2)
Resources 14 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 6, Seville 4, Cartegena 1)
Coal: 2 Ferrol
Morrocan Resources: 1

Food production: 55
Need: 21
Surplus: 34
Earned from Surplus: 6 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (1 of these is a tanker unit)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 10 Shipping Units

Fuel Used: 1 Coal
1.5 Oil
Fuel Produced: 2 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 0 Coal
1.5 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending 3: 6 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships: 5 Tech (With some Exceptions)

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands
Cost: 3 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Northern Spain)
2 Old Battleships
5 Light Cruisers
1 Minesweeper Flotilla
2 Destoyer Flotillas
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
2 Light Cruisers
2 Destroyer Flotillas
1 Escort Flotilla
1 Submarine Flotilla

Mosquito Fleet (Based in Canaries)

Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Fighter Unit (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 14

Regular Military: 424,000 Men (2% of the population.)
Reserve Military: 519,000 Men (2.5% of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense:31 Points
Total Production:53 Points (No improvements advertised yet.)
Spending Money: 22 Points
Economic Growth: 1.2 Growth (Includes Last Year)

Spending: 1919
Dreadnaught Research(Cadiz): 0 Points (3/3)
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (20 out of 100)
3 Light Cruiser's: 3 Points (2/2)
1 Air Supply Depot (Madrid): 3 Points
1 Fighter Unit (French): 3 Points
Research: ASW Warfare 3 Points (9 to go)

SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year.
Sukiaida
04-01-2007, 23:52
"I have to go." Ferdinand hated to tell his children he was leaving. They'd lost their mother almost 7 years ago. He'd been leading the tiny air corps of Spain during that time. Siding with his home of SPain had made him almost disowned in the eyes of his Bovarian father. Well that didn't matter.

His great aunt hadn't exactly paid much attention to him either. Until now, she'd actually sent a request he go to Morocco with her. He clicked his teeth. He preffered working on the new fighters and bombers that Spain had. Small still, but much larger than it had been in 1912. Who could have guessed that she'd have over 400 aircraft. He grinned, looking at his children and giving them each a kiss on the forehead. His new wife was trying her best, but they were getting big. His eldest was almost 13. How did children grow so fast?

He sighed, fixing his clothes as he prepared to leave. Some of the monarchists had discovered him only a few months ago. A man of mixed birth, siding with Spain against his own father. They were seeing him as a hero. And there was even talk of him becoming the new King of Spain when his great aunt passed away. Prime Minister Berenguer had even come to see him. It seemed rather odd that such a high general would see a simple Colonel. But, it seemed the regime didn't mind having a monarchy with such strong Spanish support. Oh well.

The boat ride with his estranged great aunt made him feel self concious. It took forever, ferries between Morocco and Spain taking too long for his comfort. The unit that greeted them was a company of Moorish troops of the Spanish Foreign Legion. A young, fat major greeted them. "Good day your majesties." He saluted. Of course he would have saluted Ferdinand even if he wasn't nobility. He was after all a higher ranked officer. The medals on the officer said he served in the Western Front. How did he get so fat?

The tour through Morocco was made by train. The new imported trains passing by many Moroccan towns. Many of them were improving due to the railroad. Much still had to be done, and the tour ended without as much pomp as Ferdinand thought it would.
Sukiaida
05-01-2007, 15:21
Berenguer stood at the podium, his hands mulling over ths sheets. His speech would be wirtten over and over in newspapers, and he'd have dozens of pictures, maybe some on the big screen. Newsreels, they'd have to start making those. Of course Spanish film was a few hobbiest with cameras running around, but a few funds in the right place may get them to start working on it.

"Today we have news from across the sea." He paused, leaning in. "News that Imperial China has enacted reforms in the shape of land. They are taking land from the wealthy, and then giving it to the peasant. Some have shown support for this, but I say it's an irrehensible act that totally ignores the past. A nation an never forget it's past."

He paused, looking at the members of the Cortes. "However, even China is now enacting land reform, and Imperial Spain has not. A proper land reform, a good land reform. One that takes no land from the land owners or businesses. But takes the vast amounts of unowned land, has been shelved for 4 years. Long years that have accomplished nothing. I've read the bill, it protects everyone. It helps everyone. It acknoledges everyone. I therefore am taking ahead, and enacting the bill for the year of 1921, and starting the Land Reform lease for a 5 year program that will work under the charecter. Funding will be given in the amount of 2 points a year."

"Now many of you believe we do not need land reform. Spain makes twice the food she needs. But this holds a serious flaw. Currently more people are moving to cities, for the growing amount of urban jobs. THat means less for our farms. How long before this trend ends? Not long. Instead, I state that SPain should spend it's money on reshaping Spanish land. Bring back the Yeoman farmer of old Spain. Bring back the production of the proud Spanish farmer, and let him be the model for the future."
Sukiaida
05-01-2007, 15:25
Proposed Land Reform Charter of 1915 (1921)

Property RIghts Mandate:

1. All formerly owned propery is not to be touched, and all legality of said property is tantamount. Land Owners at this time will not be infringed, or bothered with their land, and their land currently owned will not be touched. Church property is also kept as private property of the church, and shall not be touched or infringed.

2. New Land Owners by this Reform will have thier property set as private property and shall from here on out be legally kept to said property.

Property Acquisition Mandates:

1. THe government shall survey, and seperate into private lots previously unused, and unbought land. This land will be written, and diagramed. (Map Presented of land.)

2. Unusued land shall be seperated into Small, Medium, and Large lots. Each will be an even 33% of the land used.

3. THose who wish to use the funding shall be allowed a stipend that shall be the cost of the land, seed, and machinery needed to raise a farm for it's first 3 years. After this, the owner must keep his property for 5 more years afterwards at which time he may sell the property as he wishes and will be full owner. During the first 3 years, the farmers must sell to the government their surplus food, and will be given fair market price for their food.

4. If large landowners wish to buy the Large lots, they may purchase them for what the grant would provide, granted that they use the land for farming, and only farming.

5. Small and Medium Lots will not be for outside purchase.

6. Funding will be provided for the Land Reform Commision, which will be responcible for setting up and monitoring purchases and farm units. No specificiations for the grant shall be made, except for crop yeild. If yeild is low do to drought, the farmer is not responcible. If for lazyness, then farm grant can be recinded. THis will be judged by the Commision. Anyone of lower, or middle income can apply.

7. Targets for this reform are landless farmers, to give them land that currenlty unused can be used to make a grand granary of Europe once again.

8.(Optional) If a group of small land holder wishes, they can create a collective farm. THis is recommended in areas where the land is not high enough yeilding for some crops. This will allow them to collectivly farm. (Very succesful for the Republicans in 1936, despite negative media)
Sukiaida
08-01-2007, 22:44
Hearing his support base grumbling over the Land Reform laws, he calls the leaders of the newer Carlists trade unions (Formed in 1920.) into his office for a special meeting. Berenguer is progressive, but he also knows that Spain should not become a land of revolution and counter revolution.

He discusses with the land owners their concerns over the new reform. Adding that it allows them investments in the land and that the actual cost they would have to take with this new property would be 1/5th the cost if they'd bought the land through private means.

He also addresses some rumors that he's betrayed the Nationalists cause by going for reform in the first place. He gives a stern eye against this, stating that betrayel is in fact in the hands of those who want stagnation in Spain. Strikes in 1919 proved that Spain needs to progress or it will be destroyed. He mentions some of the scarier reforms pressed that he's staunchly refused. The fact he's stayed behind the Catholic Church and respected their property and heritage that's even added into the countrie's laws. He's shown support for the "Fatherland" as the Carlists call it by his allowing more freedom for the local municipalites, while still giving them responcibilities. Can any of them deny that that is their nesting of communities over one?

Berenguer spends most of his time reminding them of the past. THat the land owners once were the granary of the Roman empire because they had yeoman farmers to help. Not serfs, but men who had served and helped because they increased the greatness of the Spanish people.

He denounces the earlier Weyler administration, stating that their disollution of the monarchy will not occur. Maria CHristina's health has been failing, and he confirms the rumors that Frederick will continue after her. Of Bovarian and Spanish birth, he's the great nephew of the queen. Siding with Spain during the Great War (He did pick his SPanish heritage over German.) he fought valiantly in the knighthood of the sky. Berenguer praises the young man, stating he will make a fitting king for Spain. In the end, he states that Spain can not afford to tear itself apart. Carlists, everyone must work together. The Cortes is based off the traditional Cortes, and should remain an area of discussion.

He states that anyone is open in the parties leaderships (Which the Carlists would be the Conservatives I gather.) and that they should come to him if they so desire or have concerns. He is not here to change Spain in a day or forget the past. That is not what he wants. Spain growing great with the past, future, and present living on is what Spain needs to prosper.
Sukiaida
09-01-2007, 22:49
The Prime Minister discusses the current trend, and reaches an agreement that Land Reform will be postponed for 7 years, until 1928, for the Carlists support in new changes in industrial practices. Spain is almost 50 years behind the rest of Europe and since these are more pressing concerns, he's willing to garner for their support. Hopefully the fact that business owners are "new money" and not the regular elite, the older elite can keep keep the support of the people.

An investigation on working situations on the Spanish industrial scene is placed.

The media explodes with newspapers, articles, and books on the unsafe conditions in plants and especcially in the new coal mines. They have a field day with reporting the negatives. The Cortes starts to debate a "Safe Working Enviroment" laws, especcially in relation to the railroad and coal mines. With other industries mention. Many of the Nationalists start to look at the armies plans for a model.

(Law takes a year to be formed. FInished in 1921)
Sukiaida
10-01-2007, 18:18
Late 1920:

Debates still rage about the sorry state of affairs in the industrial centers. The Cortes still remains split, though in truth it's slowly starting to reach a concencious. The 40 hour workday has been squashed. The thought of a child labor law for the age of 13 has been squashed. And the thought of a minimum income was looked with shock by all but the socialists. The safety issue though has suprisingly been rather soft. No one appears to disagree with it outright, though some of the harder liners think that a fund should be given for five years so businesses can be better able to administer it.

The Socialists grumble that it's an outrage that the Land Reform has been pushed to 1928. But the Carlists are quiet in relation to the urban laws for their side makes it so they can't make too much of a fuss. Slowly things are agreed upon to be administered in 1921.

Worker Rights Laws of 1921

-The minimum age for a worker will be 10. No exceptions will be taken. Older than this age must attend Catholic School at least four days a week, their work schedules must go around this. (Catholic run schools are all the nation has, no secular schools.)

-A job must have the utmost safety in mind. While some jobs have inherent risks, they still must be made as safe as possible. A fund will start in 1921 that will end in 1926 that will make sure that this cost is not a large burden on industry. With jobs that are unsafe naturally, such as coal mines, a hazard pay must be added to regular pay for the risks. (This is based on army thoughts of the Nationalists who would pay infantry more than their cooks.)

- Sunday is a day of rest, and industry must allow their workers a proper time to pray. At least one day a week shall be given to workers without penelization.

-A 60 hour work week will be created. No worker shall work more than 60 hours a week. (This is 6 days a week 10 hours a day. Down from 7 days a week 12 hours a day. So actually cuts 24 hours out of the workweek. A whole day.)
Sukiaida
15-01-2007, 22:51
Spain

Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship/Republic
Year: 1921
Population 22,000,000
Tech level: 5
Peacetime Market Economy: 2%

Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
The Cortes Leadership:
Nationalists- Miguel Primo de Rivera
Socialists- Manuel Azana Diaz
Conservatives- Antonio Maura Montaner
Republicans- Francisco Largo Caballero

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level: 3
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 7 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 2, Malaga 1)
Resources 13 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 5, Seville 4, Cartegena 1)
Coal: Ferrol 2
Morrocan Resources: 1

Food production: 55
Need: 21
Surplus: 34
Earned from Surplus: 6 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (5 of these are tanker units)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 9 Shipping Units
Bulgaria: 1 Shipping Unit

Fuel Used: 2 Coal
1.5 Oil
Fuel Produced: 2 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 0 Coal
1.5 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending III (Spain): 6 Points
Social Spending II (Morocco): 0.2 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships: 5 Tech (With some Exceptions)

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands
Air Supply Depots: Madrid
Cost: 4 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Northern Spain)
2 Old Battleships
5 Light Cruisers
1 Minesweeper Flotilla
1 Destoyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flitilla
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
3 Light Cruisers
1 Destroyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flotilla
1 Submarine Flotilla

Mosquito Fleet (Based in Canaries)
2 Light Cruisers
1 Escort Flotilla
Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Assault Engineer Brigades
3 Fighter Unit (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 15

Regular Military: 452,000 Men ( 2% of the population.)
Reserve Military: 519,000 Men (2.5% of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense:34 Points
Total Production:48 Points (5 Points taken out for Economic Depression, 3 for Corruption.)
Spending Money: 14 Points
Economic Growth: 1 Point (Added Last Year)

Spending: 1921
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (40 out of 100)
Safety in Industry Grants: 2 Points (1/5)
Ferrol Naval Base: 2 Points


SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year.
Sukiaida
15-01-2007, 22:58
Spain

Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship/Republic
Year: 1922
Population 22,330,000
Tech level: 5
Peacetime Market Economy: 2%

Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
The Cortes Leadership:
Nationalists- Miguel Primo de Rivera
Socialists- Manuel Azana Diaz
Conservatives- Antonio Maura Montaner
Republicans- Francisco Largo Caballero

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level: 3
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 8 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 2, Malaga 2)
Resources 13 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 4, Seville 4, Cartegena 1)
Coal: Ferrol 2
Morrocan Resources: 1

Food production: 55
Need: 21
Surplus: 34
Earned from Surplus: 6 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (5 of these are tanker units)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 9 Shipping Units
Bulgaria: 1 Shipping Unit

Fuel Used: 2 Coal
1.5 Oil
Fuel Produced: 2 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 0 Coal
1.5 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending III (Spain): 6 Points
Social Spending II (Morocco): 0.2 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships: 5 Tech (With some Exceptions)

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands
Air Supply Depots: Madrid
Cost: 4 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Northern Spain)
2 Old Battleships
5 Light Cruisers
1 Minesweeper Flotilla
1 Destoyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flitilla
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
3 Light Cruisers
1 Destroyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flotilla
1 Submarine Flotilla

Mosquito Fleet (Based in Canaries)
2 Light Cruisers
1 Escort Flotilla
Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Assault Engineer Brigades
3 Fighter Unit (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 15

Regular Military: 452,000 Men ( 2% of the population.)
Reserve Military: 519,000 Men (2.5% of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense:34 Points
Total Production:48 Points (12 for all Economic Penalties)
Spending Money: 16 Points
Economic Growth: .3 Points

Spending: 1922
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (50 out of 100)
Safety in Industry Grants: 2 Points (2/5)
Ferrol Naval Base: 2 Points (2 Points to go)


SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year.
Sukiaida
15-01-2007, 23:04
Spain

Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship/Republic
Year: 1923
Population 22,660,000
Tech level: 5
Peacetime Market Economy: 2%

Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
The Cortes Leadership:
Nationalists- Miguel Primo de Rivera
Socialists- Manuel Azana Diaz
Conservatives- Antonio Maura Montaner
Republicans- Francisco Largo Caballero

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level: 3
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 8 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 2, Malaga 2)
Resources 13 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 4, Seville 4, Cartegena 1)
Coal: Ferrol 2
Morrocan Resources: 1

Food production: 55
Need: 21
Surplus: 34
Earned from Surplus: 6 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (5 of these are tanker units)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 9 Shipping Units
Bulgaria: 1 Shipping Unit

Fuel Used: 2 Coal
1.5 Oil
Fuel Produced: 2 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 0 Coal
1.5 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending III (Spain): 6 Points
Social Spending II (Morocco): 0.2 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships: 5 Tech (With some Exceptions)

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands
Air Supply Depots: Madrid
Cost: 4 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Northern Spain)
2 Old Battleships
5 Light Cruisers
1 Minesweeper Flotilla
1 Destoyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flitilla
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
3 Light Cruisers
1 Destroyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flotilla
1 Submarine Flotilla

Mosquito Fleet (Based in Canaries)
2 Light Cruisers
1 Escort Flotilla
Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Assault Engineer Brigades
3 Fighter Unit (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 15

Regular Military: 452,000 Men ( 2% of the population.)
Reserve Military: 519,000 Men (2.5% of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense:34 Points
Total Production:48 Points (12 Taken from Total Economic Problems)
Spending Money: 17 Points
Economic Growth: .64 Points (Added Last Year)

Spending: 1923
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (60 out of 100)
Safety in Industry Grants: 2 Points (3/5)
Ferrol Naval Base: 2 Points (Finished)


SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year.
Sukiaida
15-01-2007, 23:09
Spain

Government: Monarchy/Military Dictatorship/Republic
Year: 1924
Population 23,000,000
Tech level: 5
Peacetime Market Economy: 2%

Rulers: Queen Maria Christina
Prime Minister: Dámaso Berenguer
The Cortes Leadership:
Nationalists- Miguel Primo de Rivera
Socialists- Manuel Azana Diaz
Conservatives- Antonio Maura Montaner
Republicans- Francisco Largo Caballero

Spanish Possesions:
Balearic Islands
Canary Islands
Moroccan Enclaves Population: 1 Million
Tech Level: 3
Ceuta, Melilla, RIF

Production:

Production centers 8 (Madrid 1, Ferrol 3, Seville 2, Malaga 2)
Resources 12 (Ferrol 3, Malaga 4, Seville 4, Cartegena 1)
Coal: Ferrol 2
Morrocan Resources: 1

Food production: 55
Need: 21
Surplus: 34
Earned from Surplus: 6 Points

Commerce:
Internal Trade: 5 Shipping Units
USA: 15 Shippings Units (5 of these are tanker units)
United Kingdom: 10 SHipping Units
World Market: 9 Shipping Units
Bulgaria: 1 Shipping Unit

Fuel Used: 2 Coal
1.5 Oil
Fuel Produced: 2 Coal
0 Oil
Fuel Imported: 0 Coal
1.5 Oil (United States)

Expenses:
Social Spending III (Spain): 6 Points
Social Spending II (Morocco): 0.2 Points
Intelligence Agency (IE- Intelligencia Espana): 5 Points

Regular Navy (Volunteer):
All Ships: 5 Tech (With some Exceptions)

Naval Yard: Cadiz
Naval bases: Bilboa, Cartegena, Palma, Canary Islands, Ferroll
Air Supply Depots: Madrid
Cost: 4.5 Points

Atlantic Fleet (Northern Spain)
2 Old Battleships
5 Light Cruisers
1 Minesweeper Flotilla
1 Destoyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flitilla
1 Transport Group

Meditterranian Fleet (Based in Palma, Baelric Islands)
3 Light Cruisers
1 Destroyer Flotilla
1 Escort Flotilla
1 Submarine Flotilla

Mosquito Fleet (Based in Canaries)
2 Light Cruisers
1 Escort Flotilla
Total Navy Cost: 3 Points

Conscript Army:
Regular Army:
3 Regular Infantry Corps
2 Assault Engineer Brigades
3 Fighter Units (French)
1 Light Bomber Unit (French)
1 Supply Unit
1 Seige Artillery Unit
1 Flak Division
2 Police Units

Army of Afrika: Colonial Army
1 Highly Trained Mountain Division (Based in Ceutra)
2 Highly Trained Moroccan Light Infantry Division (Based in Melilla and the RIF)

SPanish Foreign Legion:
1 Light Infantry Brigade
1 Marine Brigade

Stationed in Ceutra(Inside Fortress: Built and Developed by SPain in 16th Century):
1 Fortress
2 mountain division (1 Highly Trained Division)
1 Garrison Unit

Stationed in Melilla (Also has a fortress built in the 16th century, smaller than Ceutra's.):
1 light infantry brigade (guards)
1 Highly Trained Division (Moroccan Light Infantry)
1 Garrison Unit
1 Fortress

Stationed in RIF:
1 Garrison Unit
1 Highly Trained Light Division (Colonial Army)

Stationed in Baleric Islands
1 Light Infantry Division (Marines)

Stationed in Canary Islands

Reserve Army:
11 Infantry Corps
1 Cavalry Divisions
1 Seige Artillery Brigade
1 Light Bomber Units (French)

Army Costs: 15

Regular Military: 452,000 Men ( 2% of the population.)
Reserve Military: 519,000 Men (2.5% of the population.)
Moroccan Military: 30,000 Men (3% of the population.)

Total Expense:34 Points
Total Production:48 Points (12 Taken from Total Economic Problems)
Spending Money: 14 Points
Economic Growth: 1 Point

Spending: 1924
Aircraft Industy: 10 Points (70 out of 100)
Safety in Industry Grants: 2 Points (4/5)
Morrocan Industrial Center: 2 Points (22 to Go)

SPain Population Growth: 1.5% a year
Sukiaida
17-01-2007, 18:31
1925:
Spain, having stayed at normal spending to see the crisis of the early twenties, is forced to go to National Effort in order to meet the new world crisis. Funding for the airplane industry in Spain is continued, as Spain is extremelly near finishing it's goal of creating one. And the amergance of a complete Spanish Airplane industry will create jobs.

Spain also starts it's infastructure program to also start displaced job markets. This is limited in it hires only a few for a job, but the job is a 3 year program and at least has security, unlike some banks.

The Gold Reserves of Spain are shut down when the banks start to fail, and the pattern at least is stopped earlier than most, though some major banks fail and go out of business. Other banks are called on special "Saint Holidays" so that the Gold Reserves of Spain do not become completely empty as people rush them.

The two older battleships are also kept in service. 6,000 jobs would be destroyed if the military decommissioned them, and with the opening of the Ferroll Naval Base, this is considered an extremelly risky venture, in fact the military is told to expand to allow for more jobs to be created. At this moment the treasury is stretched, and instead mostly the government tries to keep it's current economic programs intact.

By the end of 1925 it seems that getting a conscript notice is a blessing. WIth no wars, the army is actually a steady job with benefits. Recruitment in the navy explodes as only jobs that are left by leaving servicemen are available. Many young men hope they pass their physical to go into the army as the army pay is steady, and army posts are seen as blessings as soldiers have extra money to throw around at times.

Morroco stays as it always stays, a place of high unemployment. The diseaster to Spain and the rest of the world has been a diseaster here for some time. Though fishing is prevalent, Spanish Morocco is a place of poverty and unemployment, the only negative is that the funding for a new industrial powerhouse to be built there has been postponed. Hopefully it shall be soon returning.
Sukiaida
23-01-2007, 09:24
Febuary 1925:

Major Franco yawned as he met his superior for lunch. Moroccans didn't mind Spanish officers. In the current economic crisis, they were one of the few people with money to spend. In fact, Morrocans found the military a godsend as they had money to burn, as their room and board were taken care of. Whorehouses in Morrocco were not poor. In fact their business of appealing to the Spainard Soldiers meant they got a large share of the soldier's dollars.

It also meant Franco had to send some soldiers home for treatment for diseases. He tried to keep his men at one or two whorehouses he knew kept their girls clean, but the men did as they pleased. And paid for it.

Franco didn't have to look anywhere for a woman. He fingered the wedding ring he wore. He smiled to himself. She was expecting, and already at 3 months, she looked so much like a mother hen. He'd told her that despite the peacefulness of Morocco, he'd feel much more comfortable with her in Cadiz. She'd moved there for him, and he visited her as much as he could every month. HIs brother made sure to send him letters from time to time to state how things were going.

Franco's thoughts of a son (Though it's a daughter and she's being born a year early, but this is not odd since he didn't have to postpone his marraige like in real history.) were stopped as his commander greeted him.

Franco was a fat man. For an army officer, and one who'd been lucky enough not to be wounded in the Great War, he was fat. He loved food, and Moroccan resturants seemed to have contests to see who could get the major to eat there more than once a week. His commander Lt. Colonel Astray was much skinnier, though a good officer to have around.

"Good day Jose." Franco grinned. The two commanders of the Foreign Legion were friends. Both were staunch nationalists, and anti-communistic. THough the anti-communistic ways of the Republican Cortes made it less inflammatory then it might have been. (In contrast to what did happen in relation to the Soviet Union and Spain.) "Good Day Francisco. Please sit down." He offered a seat. Both men ordered, Franco looking a little concerned.

"Have you heard about the Assault brigades that are being created in Spain. That's 10,000 jobs, that's how the Republicans see it." He rolled his eyes to show what he thought. "But, this also means a better military for Spain. It's a miracle we got off so lightly during the Great War. And we still have far to go. Especcially with the navy. It seems Spain can never get a good navy. But it's improving. Anyways, they've sent me a note Francisco. They are putting me in charge of the Assault Corps, that's what they are calling it."

"Oh." Franco stated. He sighed, losing Astray, an Excellent officer, was going to be hard for the Legion. "But I have some good news."

Franco didn't expect it. THey'd probably send some noble brat that he'd have to take care of. Astray was there by merit, not because he was a noble. And the Legion was his brainchild. "What?" Franco stated evenly.

"I've talked to Madrid, and they agree. That's why as of Febuary 12, 1925, I am to hand over the command of the Spanish Foreign Legion to Lt. Colonel Francisco Franco." He grinned. Franco was surprised. Since the Great War, he hadn't had a chance to prove himself. And now he'd found that they were promoting him. "Thank you sir." He grinned. At last the Legion was his, and if he did well with it, then General Sunjuro could send a good word for him. Maybe in a few years, he'd be governor. The fat Lt. might become something.
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Begging, that's what was happening in Madrid. Banks had been closed, but not in enough time to save Spain from the wordlwide depression. Spain's news networks were sharing this fact with the country. The rest of the world was in a slump as well. And Spain had survived slumps before. More jobs were coming out in the airplane industry. Factory workers were being sent to make planes, but these didn't make up for the major problem.

Food, Spain's food industry was massive, and Spanish farmers were having to throw some of their product into the drain. Some protesting Spanish were throwing it away. The Cortes was starting to debate a 5 day 50 hour workweek. The Conservatives weren't fighting it as hard as they could. Mostly because it was for production means. Companies were sending statements that they couldn't have a 60 hour workweek. It wouldn't work out properly. They couldn't pay their employees for it. To prevent more layoffs, it seemed more freetime would be given to workers. This wasn't helping.

Only the army and navy were doing alright. Ferroll might have collapsed if the new naval base hadn't been built there. A naval yard in the works for the future was planned, but that wouldn't occur until probably 1927.

Berenguer sighed as he looked out his window. Another rainy day. He was set to retire in 1930. That General Sunjuro had his eyes on his job. Not that he wanted it. The Queen was becoming ill, and the Carlists were arguing over the Ferdinand supporters and those who wanted another King. Berenguer supported Ferdinand. He was a good man, a man who knew about war, and was a kind father. He also had a horde of possible heirs. That was good for the nation. A full Republic probably wouldn't work. Weyler had been a fool for thinking that. But a Constitutional Monarchy. That might. The Cortes to represent the people, a Prime Minister and a King. That would work. And SPain would work better that way. If only these Communists weren't causing so much trouble. They just didn't get it. Work with the Socialists and they'd get what they want. The Socialists were getting more for the common man than thought possible. Why didn't the Communits and Anarchists understand that?

He sighed, rubbing his temples. THe energy of earlier was gone. Though he wasn't as bad as Weyler. Poor Weyler, he'd died serving his country. That made him a hero, and yet no one thought of him as such. Berenguer groaned. He wondered how long this depression would last. The Cortes was meeting now, in a little bit the 50 hour workweek would be signed and approved. He wondered if that might help a little.
Sukiaida
24-01-2007, 02:07
THey were at it again. These Mujeres Libres. They might have been thrown under the rug of time if the war hadn't happened. And they might have been quiet if this depression hadn't occured. Now, they were outside picketing again.

"We were good enough for the war plants. We were good enough to send our sons, husbands, fathers, and brothers to war. And almost half a million of them came home mangled. 100,000 of them never returned home at all. We were good enough to protest and bring our boys home, but we're not good enough to be considered human beings."

The woman screaming to the protesters had dark hair, she probably came from the new world. A few prominent Spainards were from some non-Spain location. A few.

"The men in this country don't see women as having full human rights. We are "sold" to our husbands by arranged marraiges. We are not allowed out in public without chaperones if we are single. We are not allowed divorce." The woman knew what to say to get the girls cheering, but she also knew how to keep it sane. The violence of workers parties vs. the extreme right had been bloody. Her brother had been killed during it. She was only in her mid-twenties. And she already knew the rule in Spain, stay centered.

A few wanted to openly attack the Catholic church. Since the Catholic Church in Spain ran the schools, and also was doing most of the humanitarian work, that would be a big mistake. Small steps, that's what kept the peace. The Socialists had informed her of that. The Prime Minister listened to both sides, and being a centrists, he tried compromise. That compromise had bought child labor laws and workers rights. The violent protests had only gotten the Assault Guard to stomp on both sides hard.

Now, in her workers coat, her black hair hanging back behind her head, she spoke to the crowd. No denouncement of the church. No shouting of burning or riots. That would get someone killed, and have the right attack, and then the govenrment. Damn centrists, but at least they could be dealt with. And the Socialists were at least working for change.

"We are not here to tear Spain down." She began again. "All we ask is for the attempt to show that women matter. Men have made gains these past 12 years since the end of the Great War, what have women gotten? Nothing. Only our jobs taken and told to return to our kitchens like good little girls." In truth many wanted to have the entire system destroyed. That would cause chaos, and possibly a major confrontation that she wasn't sure the Left could win.

"What we want is simple. We want the right to divorce, even if it is limited. We want the right to vote. Our men have been able to vote for almost 20 years now, and we are left with nothing. We want maternity leave, even if it too is limited." She left out the abortion, that would be too quick for the still staunchly Catholic nation. Child care for female workers didn't seem to fit at the moment as very few men had work, and to ask for it now would be seen as dangerous.

"Come on down, you did very well." Lucia offered a hand to let her down. She grinned, there were rumors that Lucia had tastes for women, but no one at the time seemed to want to make a statement. All three founders were anarchists, every single member of the group new that. But since anarchism was illegal, they were all registered Communists. This made them extremelly disliked by the right, but with a centrist "Compromise" government, they were mostly left alone.

The other part of their ability was the soldier support. Great War veterans supported the Mujeres despite their nationalists leanings because they helped bring them home. A few hardline anti-communists were against it, but the woman could always expect some support from men. That didn't go towards the Carlists or others. And the Socialists were commonly trying to get them into their organization. They wanted autonomy. Thankfully Lucia and Amparo were good foils for eachother. One keeping the other in check.

"I have good news." Lucia smiled at her younger charge. "I've heard from the Socialists that we'll have an audience with Berenguer." THat name brought a few different words to mind. A Nationalists, he'd be the sworn enemy of the group. But Berenguer himself was a reformist. Without his support the Cortes would have never made the reforms it did. It would have never even gotten Spain as far as it had. Maybe, this was good news. Or it might just be another disappointment.
Sukiaida
24-01-2007, 02:19
"SOme ask me why I told my priests, and bishops to continue growing food, despite the lack of purchases. Why our farms will remain open. I ask them, how can I abandon the people, when our great calamity has befallen us? How can we let the poor, the unemployed, who are hard workers, but fate has tested? I say we will continue to feed them, continue to clothe them.The church will not abandon the unfortunates of SPain."

The Archbishop of Madrid, Leopoldo Eijo y Garay sighed as he sat down. The entire church was under strain. So many people needed help with the depression, and the church was finding that too many of them couldn't be helped. The church had set up bread lines, soup kitchens, anything to feed these people. And clothing, it was all costing the church a fortune. Soon the church just couldn't support anymore people. Leopoldo had told his fellow Spanish Archbishops to think about perhaps giving in to some of the more liberal demands. He'd almost been kicked off his position. Now with the pressure mounting and the coffers of the Spanish church dwindling, many were more willing to listen.

He sighed again, thinking about this recent call. The Prime Minister saw him as the most forward looking church member. And he'd been asked for some support. Not that he could make any decisions. THAT would be up to his Holiness in Rome. But, the possibility of docileness could be discussed. Besides, he'd only been asked as an advisor, not as someone who would make any decisions. God, grant me strength, he though to himself. Only a few months before the meeting too. He hoped the churches funds would hold out that long.
Sukiaida
25-01-2007, 22:38
The room was dark, and smoke hung over the air. Bereneguer looked tired, sitting at his desk. The five men waiting for the two women. The Archbishop was talking to the Conservative representative. He didn't look pleased. After all, the Chruch kept telling him that the situation was getting worse. That they couldn't handle the influx of poor, and that Spain might have to turn the traditional place of welfare that the Church handled, to the government. That was a sour lemon to bite in. And nothing could be placed on the current regime. It seemed the entire world was collapsing.

The Socialists looked tired. People looked towards the Socialists party for their rights. They were the people who fought every day. Azana sat as the Republican representative, looking to his "left" counterpart who took a small nap while they waited. The Nationalists, sat, napping as well. In truth Berenguer would be the one discussing the Nationalist viewpoint, not him. So he took this time to rest. He might as well.

THe two woman walked in. Lucia and Amparo. All the men stood up, the Socialist walking over to greet them like old friends. Lucia didn't appreciate it. If it weren't for the Socialists slow puttering, the Radicals would have forced their Right Wing horror, and the revolution would have happened already. But with the slow "hope" they provided, it seemed to never occur. Amparo was different, she greeted him with a common sense, even if they disagreed with things.

Azana, the Republican got another handshake, not one of friends, but at least one of someone who had good intentions. The COnservative and Nationalists got a simple look of disdain, which they returned. The Archbishop simply looked a little confused as to his current location.

"Well I suppose this doesn't mean we can't talk about schools." Lucia stated as she sat down. Her comrade glared at her, warning her that to go to far would mean no returns. Lucia thought it might be time for a revolution. An anarchist revolution, but her much calmer friend kept her to their current goal.

"So let me see. Welcome madam's." Berenguer stated, looking tired as he looked at a typed sheet. "I believe you're hear for a discussion of the current rights of women. And you have a few tall orders. First, we've discussed this, but would like your imput. I see right to vote. Now female sufferage has been brought before the Cortes, and defeated. So, the question is, why do you think NOW it can be supported?"

The Conservative scoffed that it could be, but Amparo ignored him. "Because woman can help the current trend. A voting woman is a woman who can take advantage of current economic trends, and properly help it." THe Socialist nodded in agreement.

"Of course, it'll help the damn Socialist gain power." The Conservative grumbled. Lucia opened her mouth, not stopping despite the glare. "And who may I ask does the typing for the Conservative party? Who does work and volunteers for it? I see women in your officers, and I do not see them against their free will. Some woman who want the vote are as staunch on Catholic schools as you are. And they'd support that as far as any man would."

The man flustered, Berenguer stifling a laugh at this woman teaching an ill man a lesson. "Alright. Now as to limited divorce. Archbishop?" He turned it over to the holy man.

"Well you see, the problem with this is that it goes against the church doctrine. I doubt any of the diocese of Spain will support this."

Lucia barged in again. "And what of adulterers? That is against church law. And yet a woman is not able to divorce her husband if he is an adulterer, or get an annullment."

"Well men will play." THe Conservative said to himself. Lucia grinned as she saw the Archbishop glare at him. "Sir, a man and wife must BOTH be faithful to their spouces." Lucia started to see why this man was picked as the advisor. "I believe if this is based on legal, and ONLY legal." The archbishop said. "That would be legitimate to the church. What your religious marraige is, is up to the church, but that is grounds for annullment anyways."

"And abusive? Women die from abuse quite often in this country. What of them? We are not asking for full divorce, only that a woman may divorce her husband if he's a full scoundrel. Which is rare." She added to cool the men's pride.

Berenguer nodded. At least it appeared he was listening intently. That did prove a point. He was known for listening and not shutting out the calls of the people. With the depression, that didn't matter. His legacy was dead on arrival.

"Owning property." That had been added recently. "In their own right. Hmm well, I'll say this. When we can get Land Reform in, then I will make it so that we can add this on. That's the best I can do." He held his palm out.

"That is about all I needed cleared up." He said, standing. The meeting was short and too the point, both ladies wondering if it did any good.
Sukiaida
25-01-2007, 23:59
(Might be out this weekend, so doing this now. Rules are written.)

Early 1926:

The depression gets worse as some major SPanish companies go under due to not being able to sell their products. Olive oil production hits a new low as the popularity of this "nonessential" cooking device plummets.

More unemployed start to harshly flood churches. The Catholic Church's plans to hold out for a few more years collapses. Thousands of Pessetta's are lost by the church as they can't keep up with the strain.

Even the Carlists realize that the Church can't keep up with the strain, and start to plead with the government to take control. The Nationalists take over the industries about to go bankrupt, and then restart them with government funds. They turn out metal factories to supply the wiring for the current projects in the making. Wood is made by now government factories to make poles for the telephone lines.

The Church is also releived after it's shouts of collapse, just short of bankruptcy. The Spanish government states it will be increasing social services, helping those unemployed to get back to work, and to get the nation back on it's feet. Even the conservatives let out a long sigh. A special Sunday Holiday is given as a day of thanks for the Church's work. Many of those capable are asked to return the favor by donating to the Church. Only government officials can afford any kind of donation.

At the same time, the new WOmen's Rights Laws come into effect, leaving the Carlists slightly nervous as they are announced. The Mujeres Libres lets out a little complaint that it wasn't more, while the more tame of their number give a sigh that they got anything. The Carlists would have made them go back into the kitchen. The COrtes at least listened.

- Women are allowed to seek divorce if their husband is either dangerous to his family, or adulturious. (This limits the divorce rate, but does give an outlet.)

- Woman may vote in local and governor elections. They may not vote for the Cortes membership. (Giving them limited voting rights, but some voting rights.)

- Woman may hold local public office. (This listed those public offices, the highest being mayorial, but very few expect this to actually be voted for. It just makes it legal.)

- Women must be given a livable wage. (This doesn't say equal to men, just livable.)
Sukiaida
29-01-2007, 01:12
A small group of Jews come from Eastern Europe and Germany into Spain. They are few and far between and for every Jew that goes into the Spanish cities, a hundred go somewhere else. But the Jews who go to the country that once made it illegal to live there meet mixed signals.

Spainards yell at them, or throw rotten tomatos at them, but nothing more than that. And the Spanish throw tomatos at eachother in honor of the great victories of the Great War in the streets anyways. Many Spainards seem to feel odd about the Jews. The numbers are tiny in relation to other nations. A few thousand, just reaching double thousands. By the end of the year the trickle of Jews in Spain will grow by only by 20,000. BUt, the effect is odd.

Most are accepted into the Basque region. THe Barcelonians are in an uproar about the Olympics coming to their town. Jews find new places to start investing, and Spainards may dislike Jews as heretics, but they know that they are good for the economy. When Jews made the mass exodus from Spain in the 15th century, the SPanish economy took a nose dive. They'd been the best bankers, and Spain's banking system has taken a major hit recently. Spainrads grumble, swear and cuss, but that's all.

A few protests go in the streets, but the violence of the early 20's has taught them to at least stand their ground. A Jew in Spain finds himself disliked, not able to marry a Spanish woman. But he also finds he's relativly safe. A swear or an egg may visit him from time to time, but no one breaks his window. No one shoots him. No one breaks his store window. That would be bad for business, and SPainards are terrified of where this depression may go.

THey learn quickly to not be pronounced COmmunists. THe Socialist party grows as the majority become Socialists. They find the local autonamy of the regions entertaining, as the strange mix of governments. It's odd the strange Spanish talk of voting for mayor at the same time they talk about their leader and queen.

Many districts open in SPain of Jewish districts. Sometimes protestors go through the streets yelling, but they just push and shove. None of them are armed. Peaceful demonstrations are becoming more normal. ANd besides, get too violent and you may hurt the economy. Spain's treatment of her new tiny Jewish population is rough, but lacks a certain hatred that they found in other lands. And besides, there's always the hope the Spainards will just eventually take some of the Jewish culture into their own. It's happened a million times before since the Romans owned the country.
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Barcelona jumps into chaos, men running in the street. It's pandamonium, the SOcialists laughing along with all the others. A rather strong town of change, Barcelonaians woke up to wonderful news. 1928 would be the year they host the Olympics. Venders, atheletes, the whole world would look at their city, and Spain might get back on it's feet. Spanish businessmen would get to rub elbows with the world and maybe even get a positive result.

Policemen put down their rifles, and drank with the people. For once peace had the strange appearance of a riot. But, they'd calm down, after they stopped celebrating.