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From this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496293) thread.

I was wondering if anyone would have a problem with the True Aesonic Church (terrorist organization, also known as Ehznoists) looting Socal8 here. Essentially they'd be taking money, weapons, and possibly young women of any faith not Aesonic to serve a certain purpose that shall remain unnamed here.

I had thought about OOC thread, but didn't think I needed on; at your mention of the lack of one, I decided to add one.

Same answer as other thread, I don't object if you can get them in.

I had thought about OOC thread, but didn't think I needed on; at your mention of the lack of one, I decided to add one.

Same answer as other thread, I don't object if you can get them in.

The question is, will you let them in?

yes

Aeson, I'm planning to send engineers and a few regular soldiers to Socal8 for generally non-combat purposes.
I'm planning to have my men run into yours. Sounds good?

Aeson, I'm planning to send engineers and a few regular soldiers to Socal8 for generally non-combat purposes.
I'm planning to have my men run into yours. Sounds good?

I suppose, although even if I completely lose the skirmish you'll have to realize that due to their nature, you'll only destroy a small portion of the forces.

Although your engineers will probably be where the damage is, and my men will be where the damage is soon to be...

Note there is another thread relating to this..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496097&page=7

some of it occured before the invasion started occuring.

Hi, I considered getting involved in this war, but then I saw the massive forces arrayed against Socal8 and decided to wait until the GASN discovers that the telegrams did not actually occur(dont know if it will, ever intend for it to happen, Borman?). When/If that occurs, I will need someone to telegram me, please.

Aeson, I'm planning to send engineers and a few regular soldiers to Socal8 for generally non-combat purposes.
I'm planning to have my men run into yours. Sounds good?

You men may come under fire, and death. I'm going to tell you so in IC as well.

Hi, I considered getting involved in this war, but then I saw the massive forces arrayed against Socal8 and decided to wait until the GASN discovers that the telegrams did not actually occur(dont know if it will, ever intend for it to happen, Borman?). When/If that occurs, I will need someone to telegram me, please.

RED TIDE2! YAY! I havn't seen you in forever, but anyway...

If GASN wants to try and uncover that the TGs are fake, they can. However, I will not admit it during the conflict.

I'd toyed with the idea of having it discovered one way or another that GASN finds out they were fake after the war.

Doesn't seem as if the GASN is officially going to get involved here, although members may.

I'm getting involved, but not as a member of GASN...

ICCD-Intracircumcordei']Note there is another thread relating to this..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496097&page=7

some of it occured before the invasion started occuring.

I know you have another FT nation, and that would explain alot of your stuff. But the thing is, unless the nation your RPing with now was given this stuff by another older MT nation, you don't have nukes or bio weapons.

Also, alot of the other stuff would fall under FT or really really advanced PMT. We're MT. Like antiair, androids, and planes that cruise at mach 6; that's all FT. Some of the most advanced planes in NS MT/PMT have a maximum sprint of Mach 3.8; I don't think I've ever seen any faster, or if I have, not by much.

Hey Borman, could you respond to the True Aesonics' arrival?

Oh yeah, sorry. I hadn't anticipated their arrival so soon, I had planned on Generian SF landing soon and then invading, and then having your men land at the same time.

Oh yeah, sorry. I hadn't anticipated their arrival so soon, I had planned on Generian SF landing soon and then invading, and then having your men land at the same time.

If you want me to wait, I will.

Now, I'm going to ask something...and I want a straightforward answer.

Are we, or are we not at war?

Now, I'm going to ask something...and I want a straightforward answer.

Are we, or are we not at war?

We as in the GASN, no.

We as in you and Borman? No idea.

We as in the Galactic Empire of Interstellar Space Monkeys That Mess up Serenity's Engine Room and Earth? Yep.

Now, I'm going to ask something...and I want a straightforward answer.

Are we, or are we not at war?

Who, me and you?

I havn't declared war on you, so unless you've declared war; then no.

Umm, [NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei, your claims of god-moding and wanking get really annoying when you do wank a hell of a lot. Not saying in everything, but you do in a bunch of stuff.

Incase you didnt read earlier post, this is MT.

-Slaps forehead-

"No Sillies, Us and Soca8."

-Slaps forehead-

"No Sillies, Us and Soca8."

Us being GASN? No. If Socal8 is accepted into GASN then member nations may assist him if they wish, but are not required to do so.

http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Socal8blockademapBormanforces.bmp.jpg

Estimated position of Borman fleets:

Teal: First fleet
Red: Sixth fleet
Yellow: Seventh fleet
Green: Eighth and Ninth fleets

Has Socal even replied? I haven't seen him around lately.

Yeah, he posted withdrawing soldiers to capital and Sierra Nevada Mountains; so basically if we capture territory and make posts spacing out RL time, we don't require a post to wait for because he had nothing to RP; most likely the reason for his lack of RPing.

When we do get to capital or Sierra Nevada Mountains normal etiquette will come back as we wait for a reply.

Well, if I remember correctly, Socal8's admitance was turned down.

If so then any GASN member deciding to aid him is doing so on their own natonal agenda, not that of GASN member participation.

Furthermore, any nation aiding Socal8 is doing so on their own natonal agenda.

Well, I would love kicking around a late bloomer...hehehe!

-Chuckles-

Though, it seems rather off that we could overpopulate him just with 1% of our combined populations..(2 Billion total Population for me.)

Meh

I might send my Marines to check out the situation, no combat of course, just watch from the distance and inform.

I might send my Drevin II to swim off the shores of the combat area. It has DCRC's on board...:p

BE, you have a telegram.

BE, you have a telegram.

I also have ten fingers.

I also have ten fingers.

Good job! And funny! LOL

I replied

Okay.

Got your telegram, Borman, responding to the call.

Excellent, link to IC is on first page.

Where did Socal8 go?

Borman, update the map with allied fleet positions. Might be helpful. The Generian First Fleet is taking up space off the northwestern coast of the island, more or less from a bit south of your first fleet's position to a bit north of Ireland.

Will do.

Allied navies, where are you?

http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Socal8blockademap.bmp.jpg

Estimated position of Borman fleets:

Teal: First fleet
Red: Sixth fleet
Yellow: Seventh fleet
Green: Eighth and Ninth fleets
Dark Blue: Second fleet moving to this position
Maroon/Brown: Generic Empire fleet

Has a landing been made yet?

Does anybody know where Socal8 is at?

No clue where he is....

tastey kittens.

p.s. shazbottom as a member of ILSS why are you attacking another country for no specific reason?

The ILSS is not active. I was going to drop out soon. And anyways, if they are trying to force me into only declaring war when they feel like it, that would violate my NatSov. And i don't like that.

RE:

OOC: ICCD, that is nonsense. Czardas found ways of destroying my ships without nukes. Super-dreadnaughts and such are hardly invulnerable. We should not use nukes. That is that. They ruin the thread.

can you link me to the thread?

as the only alternative to nukes would be to bomb the sea floor and area with carpet bombs of thermite.... nukes are easier, they are a cure all. imo.

I'm not nuking cause it is a nuke as there is no gaurenty strafing with a sequence of 20 1 or 2 kt nukes would get through your shipping... however it would require a massive air force or railguns.. honestly nukes are the safe answer especially if I can strap them to the seafloor/continental shelf as well.. that way I might be able to sink your smaller ships with a tidal wave as well.. some anyway...

why woudln't you use nukes? I'm not talking awe and destruction but something that is able to heat your hulls enough to go through the thermal areas.. it would take an insane ammount of firepower to go through them if they are actually dreadnaught class.. I await the thread though..

not attempting to derail the thread just play it in mind of how ICCD would see an invading force of 10000 ships attacking a country without much of a military. i.e. 200k reserve forces, which is nothing in NS world.. heck he doesn't even have a navy..

The ILSS is not active. I was going to drop out soon. And anyways, if they are trying to force me into only declaring war when they feel like it, that would violate my NatSov. And i don't like that.

Nah it is just article one.. of ILSS.. I consider it sorta active there are only a few members there in.. it is really only where the members are.. however if your not ILSS anymore then it doesn't raise the conflict of us attacking each other.. since we are/were both ILSS. If you dropped out of ILSS can you just remove it as an alliance your part of

ICCD, use nukes on my forces (I’m talking about the ground forces I will land on the island) The nation of ICCD will only a rumor after I get done with it. Same thing for the Dominion’s allies, BE and GE.

Now, that is a post. *Looks at my latest post* Can we wait for Socal8 to post before we move on to bomb some more? Allow him sometime to role-play the damage.

We should wait till Socal8 comes back before we do anything ICly.

Well I am considering about partaking in the conflict as peacekeepers. Two reasons for this is 1. I am FT, so I cant actively fight in an MT battle and 2. I will only fight in self defense. Meaning I cant order an Orbital strike on anyone unless they decide to fire on me. Just waiting if you guys will accept this or not.

Well I am considering about partaking in the conflict as peacekeepers. Two reasons for this is 1. I am FT, so I cant actively fight in an MT battle and 2. I will only fight in self defense. Meaning I cant order an Orbital strike on anyone unless they decide to fire on me. Just waiting if you guys will accept this or not.

Nope, not going to work. Don’t RP with FT nation as my MT version of the Dominion but that is me, I will leave, if a FT nation is allowed.

Anyway your forces would not be need.

Yeah sorry man, mixing FT and MT never works.

No dice.

A few things:
Generic: I didn't RP the landings because I didn't send a lot of men, hence I didn't think it was critical.
And it's not the fact that I won't move my men. I can't move my men.
Anyway, I won't be able to post as much, thanks to school.

ICCD, Here is a list of the top 10 fastest aircraft so you know how full of crap you are on your stats. And these listed below are MT.

1. X-43 (Unmanned) -- Mach 9.8
2. X-15 (The X-15 is the fastest manned aircraft in the world. -- Mach 6.72
3. SR-71 Blackbird (YF-12) -- Mach 3.2+
4. MiG-25R Foxbat-B -- Mach 3.2
4. X-2 -- Mach 3.2
5. XB-70 Valkyrie -- Mach 3.1
6. MiG-31 Foxhound -- Mach 2.83
7. MiG-25 Foxbat (Ye-155) -- Mach 2.8
8. F-15 Eagle -- Mach 2.5
8. F-111 Aardvark -- Mach 2.5
9. X-1 -- Mach 2.435
10. Su-24 Fencer -- Mach 2.4

School? Ouch, that sucks.

Yeah sorry man, mixing FT and MT never works.

No dice.

Fine, no FT weapons, but however to ensure safety I will employ Minovsky Particle clouds by our tanks (all MT) Basically, they will fire a Electromagic field that will render long range weapons (like High Altitude bombing and pinpoint artillery strikes) ineffective (no effective lock on ability). But its all up to you...It just sucks to see a huge dogpiling (what? more then 4 5billion pop nations against a weak nation (donno how much pop does social 8 has but judging from his post count he is royally screwed in the ass). I mean I have no bargaining power but the Borman can fight this war himself while his allies make only finiancial contributions.

ICCD, use nukes on my forces (I’m talking about the ground forces I will land on the island) The nation of ICCD will only a rumor after I get done with it. Same thing for the Dominion’s allies, BE and GE.


The only reason I would use nukes on ground forces is if they were massed and conventional bombing wasn't able to have the area effect or destructive force required, or there was a limited supply of air power to the area.


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or they were in the way of the landmass I was attempting to make inhabitable bombing the ocean is one thing but bombing a land mass of an ally is another.

ICCD, Here is a list of the top 10 fastest aircraft so you know how full of crap you are on your stats. And these listed below are MT.

1. X-43 (Unmanned) -- Mach 9.8
2. X-15 (The X-15 is the fastest manned aircraft in the world. -- Mach 6.72
3. SR-71 Blackbird (YF-12) -- Mach 3.2+
4. MiG-25R Foxbat-B -- Mach 3.2
4. X-2 -- Mach 3.2
5. XB-70 Valkyrie -- Mach 3.1
6. MiG-31 Foxhound -- Mach 2.83
7. MiG-25 Foxbat (Ye-155) -- Mach 2.8
8. F-15 Eagle -- Mach 2.5
8. F-111 Aardvark -- Mach 2.5
9. X-1 -- Mach 2.435
10. Su-24 Fencer -- Mach 2.4

That isn't completely accurate. I've read reports of aircraft going much faster then that look into FRANCE & BRITAIN & US . you have some of them however it is dated. mach 10 has easily been broken for short periods using h2/o2 detonation drives. I've posted in regards to this in the past. you didn't mention the x33. I've done some research into Mach 10+ rockets etc.. as of 2003 there were "public" reports of around Mach 10. That doesn't even account for any classified projects.

I can get you some links if you'd like

this is taken from the psudeo IC thread made by someone... my response is below it ((OOC: The standard accepted speed for aircraft, set and tested by the old line late MT-PMT nations is at the absolute maximum mach 2.65, at supercruise, and 3.8 being the maximum sprint. You've gone a bit over "what is available but not fully implemented.. prototypes or just obscure." You're close to being full FT, if not already there, and we're all within our right to ignore you.

Your claims of numberwanking make me chuckle, seeing as the nations involved here have spent near the entirety of their NS careers building up their national identity so that they can justify their various military sizes, tactics, and traditions. We're big nations, most are at least over 2 billion, Borman and I being over 4 billion each. We're also wealthy nations, with large industrial infrastructures. We manage large armies, which are below 5% of our populations, the standard maximum accepted percentage for a nation that expects to keep its other national necessities on track as well as maintain a military force. Considering this, what we have in Socal8 is peanuts compared to what we could muster, and what we deem as unnecessary to muster. You see, Socal8 is a small nation. This nation pissed off Borman somehow. Borman is invading him because of this. It's how the game works. Crying about it doesn't change anything. You're free to ignore it, but it's just being a sore loser. Sometimes bigger nations win just because they're bigger, and we all have to deal with it. I dealt with it when I was smaller, and so has every other nation here.

I suppose what I'm trying to say here is, we don't really care about your opinions on the matter. You can cry about what's going on, you can insult how we're doing things, you can tell us all how we should be playing the game, but that doesn't mean we're going to listen, because frankly, we don't care about any of it. I know I'm not going to cater to your whims and change how everything here is because you think it's unfair, and I doubt anyone else will. Socal8 has been a very good sport so far. I like his style, and he's going to go far in the NS world, because he knows how to RP, and doesn't cry about things out of character.

Personally, I don't care if you're involved or not. You're involvement really isn't central to the thread. This is between Socal8 and Borman, and we're all along for the ride. So, if you want to RP, then RP, and if you want to moan about things out of character, go do it somewhere else.))


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If you have valid reasons for the 3000+ ship fleet that appears in 3 hours time off the coast and how it is supported ect.. I'm willing to hear it. Like I said if you have some information on how you manage to support the large navies then I'm willing to hear it. It makes sense that if you have 10 trillion in defence spending or 20 trillion in defence spending how you could manage it. I'm just trying to get a general idea of how your resources are distributed.
"It does appear like a numbers wank to me". The 5% or any rule whatsoever I could care less for as I wasn't included in that determination so it is not "my rule". I ask for "it to make sense" that's my only rule, if it doesn't make sense or alteast offer some valid Roleplayability I'm not interested. However for you to be able to support a large scale invasion becomes problematic if the total cost of your invasion in feul and othersupplies outstrips your military capacity. Don't be confused I'm not looking for an audit I'd just like a rough breakdown of your spending, support costs, and supply costs. If your entire military is invading, then sure it could make a lot more sense, but when you talk of 20% taxrate country with 5 billion people 4000 ships is still probably more ships then all the countries on the planet and earth has presumably a population that or larger. I'm not saying you can't.. as far as I'm concerned you can do whatever the hell you'd like in game, it is just a matter of me playing with it.. not complicated, this isn't the first time I've questioned the validity of an invading force because it defied my understanding of reality.

I'm fine Roleplaying but throw a dog a bone... if you dont tell me a little more specific then we swarm the entire coast with thousands of ships and hundreds of thousands of men.. it leave a lot to be determined and makes it rather dull for me to reply. I mobilize all my bomberes on my western coast in the Imperial Coast and carbet bomb your thousands of soilders while sending out a group of subs in the hundreds to seive your supply ships off, or after they finish bombing your troops they carpet bomb your ships to.

It's a sad joke. The role playability of Indian Jones Ball of wank, doesn't really apply.. I could speed it up by saying

After the countries rain down bombs of wrath on any thing larger then an animal or capable for lifting a stone the resistance forces in the mountains fight bravely and digitently while being pummled ongoing by impervious tanks and artilary and airforces.

Of course there is the chance for roleplay but having it in my opinion numbers wanked kills any real potential other then a utterly huge lobfest that really has no "roleplay to it" it is a bad example of battleship imo. But since you can care less whatever. My style of enjoyment in roleplay and yours I could only geuss differ. I like actual roleplay. Not mindless steamrolling. If we are unable to roleplay because we don't use the same set of rules so be it but my critsism of your rules is that they arn't based in reality, they are based in standards of common knowledge. It doesn't leave room for :breaking the mold: it is general lifeless. Yet you use ships that are generally otherwise imposible or insane to attempt to reproduce in real life. You are fixing the game.

Your response to a nuke attack on you is to automatically respond by glassing the opponent then ignoring the action. You basically put up a wall to what your actions would really cause and ignore the reality basis. Which is fine as far as Im concerned. I'm not trying to do anything. I'm responding to the situation.

Ignore I totally get what you are. I just find it petty and detracting.. of course tables turned obviouslly you'll just aim to gripe more and attack what I am. If you can't take honest critisism whatever, I just think you are loosing out on a lot of gaming potential to do what otherwise appears mindless and 'hauty'. It comes off as arrogance to me. I'm not saying you are arrogant I'm saying that your attitude towards the game is just appears jaded to me. And you are a regular. I'm probably going to be gone for an undetermined time again in around two weeks. You'll still be here so whatever. If it wasn't for a break of luck I wouldn't even be posting this.

It just comes off as very base. That's my opinion you can piss over it all you want, it doesn't change my opinion.

Basically what I was asking for was some more information on exactly how your ships are going about this, and how you manage to support large fleets, and what make up of your total fleet and forces it is. As if you are 'only 1800km ' from me or less and there is a landmass between socal8 and me then it changes the situation a little.

If there is no reality basis the involvement of the idea of the roleplay is reduced drastically. I'm geussing we just have different gaming styles. However what is the point of a completely one sided battle? Other then a pathetic type of farming?

Has a landing been made yet?

Cough.

ICCD, I've had it with you. Either get in the game, or go away. No more OOC posts in this thread, or the other thread. If you want to roleplay, do it. If you want to complain and bash other RPers in the thread, get lost. Plain and simple.

Cough.

Borman forces have landed on the North and the western isle. Raven Corps forces have landed on the west.

There are preperations for a combined southern invasion as well.

Is JWolf mocking me, or is he serious?

What are you talking about? The only thing I said to you was that you nuke me, BE, GE or other allies, I would nuke you until ICCD becomes nothing but a rumor in the wind. I’m being serious. Don’t use cheater weapons.

Well Social8 hasnt replied yet. So I wonder if we can persume a victory?

Bormann, One thing I'm wondering:
If war does break out between me and you guys, what are your objectives?
Would you be content with conquering Socal8?
Or are you going to attack me directly?
On a side note, I forgot to mention my men landing.
If Socal8 is shaped like Britain, i would say my men landed around Plymouth, in the southwest.

If we go to war, then we're coming for you. AND WE'LL EAT YOUR INTESTIN-I mean...nothing.

Demon 666, I need you to RP the result of my attack on your fleet.

You attacked my fleet?
I know you attacked the Bahk fleet, and you attacked my expeditionary force, but I can't find anything on an attack on my navy.

You attacked my fleet?
I know you attacked the Bahk fleet, and you attacked my expeditionary force, but I can't find anything on an attack on my navy.

The first part of the post is the attack on your fleet. After that follows the attack on the Bahk fleet and your expeditionary force on the ground.

Here's the first part of the post:

Generian 1st Fleet Positions, Off the northwestern coast of Socal8

The sound of sirens rang out across the glistening blue waters, as the decks of the three Generian “Dominion” class super-carriers, and seven additional “Iliev” class heavy carriers exploded with activity. GIF-1 air superiority fighters took to the skies in force, joining those already in the air, and were followed by GIF-77N carrier based strike aircraft and the new model GIF-11N naval bomber, equipped with the deadly “Caesar” anti-shipping missile that had become notorious after making mincemeat of a Jarridian fleet off the coast of Borman.

Under heavy fighter escort, the first wave of 50 GIF-11Ns set their sights on the Demon 666 fleet, painted by allied radar off the coast of the helpless, embattled nation. En masse, the aircraft deployed their payload, 22 Caesar missiles from the hardpoints on each of the Generian aircraft.

Are we going to wait for Socal8?

Sure, but if he doesnt reply within 3 days, it will be an automatic victory in Borman's favor.

Sure, but if he doesnt reply within 3 days, it will be an automatic victory in Borman's favor.

Who told you that?

That's what's generaly accepted, I guess.

Well, this is the first time I have heard of that.

I'm trying to reach him and see if he wants to make a post. Then we can continue with IC action untill we reach Socal8 forces.

I'm trying to reach him and see if he wants to make a post. Then we can continue with IC action untill we reach Socal8 forces.

I have tried to reach him. (The other day) Maybe one of us will talk to him soon. I want to do some RP with him doing something.

I'm trying to reach him and see if he wants to make a post. Then we can continue with IC action untill we reach Socal8 forces.
Well, given thingsare blowing with me and you guys, that might not be necessary.
I won't be able to post Friday and nearly all of Saturday, by the way.

Hey guys I've lost the internet and i wont be able to continue with my little part in all of this. You can just say my fleet was destroyed.

Well I think he gave up. Look you guys won. Feel free to do what you like with Socal's populance

Damn, I want him to post.

Damn, I want him to post.

Me too. Did we scare him off?

Gyrobot, go ahead and send those.

And I dunno, I'll TG him again.