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The lights dim .. new age plexiglass walls streaming as rooms of delegates sitting at tables, most with blank stares on their faces. After 3 hours of entry requirements finally.. the lights dim...


"Fraters we are gathered here today to bring to mind the serene mind that sought among us beconks unto our hearts.
............. the speach continues in like fashion
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and when our ancestors were first learning how to join hands and to look to the heavens in mind of future aspirations, they did so in mind not of whose hands they were holding, but that they were looking to the skies in aspiration of the future....
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a nudge hits the peacetalks Resident Host Rothgar a senior official in the Logothe's Diplomatic Corps," in the ribs... a traditionally armoured Knight of the Imperial Order of the Lion Claw with authentic lionclaw hanging from his neck over the silvery armour with gold embroidering, helmet and all "Tink." " You got to stay awake Rothgar, this is an important place you as host shouldn't be sleeping while Arch Pontif Cardinal Tao-Bridger presents the Introductory speech."

"What," Rothgar looking much the same as the Knight only having a type of thinner chain main shirt on and a skullcap. "Am I up," Rothgar stands up abruptly... "Thankyou! Arch Pontif," he starts to clap a few others follow suit..." The room gets a little akward but he continues to replace the Arch Pontif at the podium.

"I was only to AE1948 on our history I still have another 300 years to go... and you stood up when I said..."

The Knight of the Lionclaw starts to escort the Arch Pontif to his seat.

"Thankyou all.. wasn't that a spectacular introduction by the Arch Pontif."

For those that came all this way I thank you.. we have peace talks. Clearly we all have interest in peace. That is in part why we are here today. There are some very very very regal individuals here today a number of National Leaders. Without taking up much more of your time I'll let the talks commence.

We will hear speakers, for those that would like to talk you will be cued for speaking.. feel open to speak from your tables via the microphone or address the body from the central podum area.

As the host and master of ICCD's voice in the talks I will say right away that Intracircumcordei offers no animosity towards anyone here today. This whole situation I beleive was the result of confusion and once we can all understand that we have no benifit in attacking one another then we can move on, see our families or friends etc.. continue with our trade and profit as well attempt to assist our allies in enabling us to live more meaningful lives.

By the way feel open to take anything on your tables home with you after.. as a matter of fact feel open to take the tables and chairs back with you as a gift for making it out. Intermission will be in 1 hour, if you have to go to the washroom prior to that and do not have a backup plan.. just buzz for security and we can guide you to the washroom.

Thankyou..

The Shazbotdom Deligate, The Supreme Emperor, spoke up. "We don't need a damned history lession on humanity here. We need to get down to business. The Dark Empire would like to know why terrorist threats were made against it by the ICCD in the form of contracting outside sources. And we will not take, 'but we didn't do it' as an answer."

OOC: I just gotta ask... Frizzly?

Oh, and Shaz, the RP I was talking about on the GASN forums is up. 'For the Love of a Son'

The Shazbotdom Deligate, The Supreme Emperor, spoke up. "We don't need a damned history lession on humanity here. We need to get down to business. The Dark Empire would like to know why terrorist threats were made against it by the ICCD in the form of contracting outside sources. And we will not take, 'but we didn't do it' as an answer."


Rothgar replied with a slight gulp "Terrorists!!! ICCD is not in any way about to hire subnationials to do it's dirty work. ICCD is not in the business of hiring individuals to attack others with." He breaths out a bit. "If you are refering to a reward for any indiviudals who kill or destroy objects of the PF then that is quite truely a bounty was placed, but we in no way prepaid anyone, in way of giving cash or cheque etc.. to them before or coordinated such attacks. If PF has enemies that is not ICCD's business except those enemies that came from initiating alliances or otherwise due to attacks or actions by the PF. ICCD is a neutral state and is peaceful in nature. The only time you will see ICCD on an offensive is when it is threatened or attacked, as most nations would be. Have there been any attacks on PF? ICCD doesn't know of any and most certainly ICCD hasn't paid anyone for any attacks. Must we remind you that it was TPF that initiated hostilities by threatening ICCD. If so much as one Dian is injured by PF or their allies we will put that party back to the stone age, then take away the stones. These talks are not about war though, they are about peace. I have the sense that unfortunately the nation of Shazbotom has convoluted senses to what ICCD said or not. Clearly ICCD will back any enemy of TPF as long as TPF remains hostile. Likewise any nation that is an ally of TPF while it is hostile and threatening to "punish" ICCD, those state that are backing TPF's threats will also be on a list of hostile states, that ICCD except where ICCD is also allied with that state, will not see much loss if another nation attacks it. Of course we will be pleased to see our enemies destroyed but we don't make our enemies. We consider everyone our friends, it is just how hard we need to hit our friends in the head for them to see the light. Shazbottom if you do not threaten ICCD then you have no reason to fear any attacks on your population from ICCD. As for giving financial support to groups that attack our enemies, that is a practice we may very well consider, but it is not backing terrorists, it is backing allies. Terrorists are subnationals ICCD only deals with Organization, Corporations, Nations, or Persons.. in no way are we financing terrorism.. terrorism is a hard sell in a real war where everyone is a valid target civillian or otherwise.
ICCD's war practice is centered around taking out the capacity of it's enemies to wage war against ICCD. ICCD didn't start this war, it was PF that decided to put ICCD under trade embargo and threaten further actions, of an unknown nature, that in a nuclear age or even post nuclear age is very a serious threat. ICCD won't let other nations go around threatening it and just sit back and make them insecure. ICCD will very much make war plans and muster agents to conduct it's legitimate war so that we can wreak havoc on our enimies war making capacities. If ICCD were to come under attack, our shipping attacked or otherwise you better beleive we would respond, and with force, but we won't only be making a counter offensive with our own troops we have a foreign legion and we regularly contract foriegn mercenary groups and allied nations that are at times in civil war or not fully recognized by all nations.. they are recognized by us though. So any talk of terrorists is not accurate, ICCD does not finance terrorist organizations. For that matter ICCD's own military is voluntary even though it is integrated in our school system we don't force people to fight, it is their choice. When you talk about nations that have universal service requirements such as TPF's 3 year all males over 18 etc.. it makes the entire male population a valid military target because they are all soilders thus in mind of war targets valid targets.

Anyway not to take up too much time. If you'd like to speed peace simply sign the paper on the desk announce you withdrawl hostilities from ICCD and as that paper is a peace treaty with ICCD you can feel open to leave at that point.

OOC: I just gotta ask... Frizzly?

Oh, and Shaz, the RP I was talking about on the GASN forums is up. 'For the Love of a Son'
OOC: It describe the war from ICCD's perspective at this point.. and at this point that is how the history books will remember it in ICCD.

George shook his head. "If i remember correctly from the message that I saw. You said that you would give money to anyone who kills innocent civilians within the Nation of TPH or its allies. Seeing as the Dark Empire is an ally of TPH, you have made a threat against us. All that we ask is that you send a message to the international community recinding that offer."

IC:

Well as a matter of fact I didn't put out any offer to kill innocent civillians, your information is incorrect.

Can we move on to any other issues ?

Emperor Samuel III spoke up, "TPF had his reasons to embargo you. In response you were going to pay nations to attack him. I my nation when somebody hires somebody else to kill somebody the person who did the hireing is charged with murder. It does not matter wether or not you directly attack TPF or you paid other nations to do it, you attacked TPF! and in doing so you attacked every member of GASN. You also offered money to people who would attack his allies. Meaing us, my nation. We in Findan, and in the rest of GASN, take threats very seriously."

George chuckled quietly as he listened to the ICCD deligate. he then thought to himself, 'Why are they denying it. I have a hard copy of the message in my office and they keep denying it. What fools...'

Sam thought Well they had better fess up or we wil fight them and they will not like that

The skull capped Rothgar, spoke with some zest and disconcertations, speaking like a man in a dream, earnest and solemn. Speaking largely with hand gestures, axing his palm, using finger quotes and addressing face to face with the various dignataries concerned.

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Emperor Samuel the 3rd TPF didn't have a reason to embargo ICCD, at the time TPF thought that ICCD had alllowed Griffencrest to establish an air base on ICCD territory, that was not the case at the time. However after TPF threatened to punish ICCD and embargoed it, ICCD did allow Griffencrest to establish an airbase, in large part to the unwarrented threats and the embargo, so in essence TPF's actions were "self fullfilling prophesy". In addition to responding by GRANTING the air base after being threatend ICCD offer to allow a non asked for naval base to be established as well as offering to pay anyone that attacked TPF and TPF's allies, in the punishment and embargo against ICCD. The reason for this is that the "unknown" punishment "greater than embargo" could only be assumed to be piracy or outright attacks and interferance in ICCD's internal and external soveriegn practices. IE war and a secret war or otherwise. If that does not seem reasonable I would like to ask you what your response to being threatened for no "good reason" is? It seems we are at these peace talks exactly because of that and in part because you are confused to think ICCD started the threats or offended TPF, when ICCD was only "entertaining" the idea of granting an airbase, at that same time ICCD was offering the exact same deal to TPF, which TPF turned down, because it was "too strict". Yet this strick deal which specifically stated that all materials would be inspected, and "no offensive" attacks could be launched from the said airbase, was enough to provoke an embargo and threats of "unknown punishment".

ICCD has not and did not offer to pay individuals for attacking in some form of contract, or otherwise, ICCD offered to compensate anyone that DID attack. The difference is one pays or contracts for an action, the other rewards an action that occurs. The difference is important. I.E. we are not hiring anyone ICCD is rewarding individuals who cause damage to enemies of state, that have initiated hostilities with ICCD. ICCD is not and has never been an instigator in any actions, ICCD responds only on defence as is outlined in our various treaties and alliances. Sadly your logic does not work, becuase ICCD has not attacked anyone, nor paid anyone to attack any member of the GASN. ICCD didn't initiate, therefore it would not be an attack, it would be a defence, because ICCD did not initiate the hostilities, the situation should be clear if you follow the actual timeline of occurance. ICCD's action was to offer TPF an airbase, and TPF refused. TPF then embargoed ICCD while threatening other punishments assumed to be physical attacks on ICCD assets both internal and external. ICCD then granted Griffencrest the airbase and offered a naval base. Then ICCD stated that if TPF did not reverse their earlier statement of embargo and punishment then it would assumed to be a state of war. ICCD mearly stated that if TPF kept the "threat" that was put for "no reason" other then confusion, then it can only be assumed that TPF was declaring hostile relations with ICCD. TPF did not reverse those threats, so ICCD offered to compensate anyone who reduced the capacities of TPF to carry out those threats and any future actions that accompanies them. ICCD did not hire anyone to do this, although individuals DID contact ICCD in that regard, no "contracts" of any sort were negotiated in regards to ICCD hiring agents to attack TPF or their allies under ICCD's instruction in regard to the method of attack, i.e. coordinating, planning, etc... and it should be clear that anyone who does make those statements is doing so falsely, because no one who is assosiated with the Dian State, the Emperor or any officer of the Emperor is coordinating any third party attacks on a "hired" basis, i.e. payroll or otherwise. Frankly though until there is a peace agreement anyone that does attack TPF or their allies is still liable to collect the bounty, as TPF chose to go to war, even though, peace was offered, on the terms of removing the conditions that led ICCD to believe that TPF was a hostile body.

If this is not the case, then by all means explain that TPF didn't take hostile actions against ICCD for no valid reason and perhaps ICCD can see it in a different light. I think that if our roles were reversed you would be able to understand the validity of ICCD's current stance. That be

-Offering peace if a non hostile or neutral stace is taken by TPF and TPF's allies.

-If the threats by TPF are not reversed then ICCD will assume TPF is hostile and in those regards defend itself accordingly by preventing TPF from carrying out attacks on ICCD by whatever means required in reason.

If there are other options then by all means cite them however it seems to be a very clear nature, and if you are to beleive that ICCD is fermenting "attacks or hostile actions" against TPF on any baseless merit or instigating a war you are WHOLEY wrong. ICCD was the one who was threatened by TPF initially, not the otherway around. ICCD is the defender not the attacker.
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