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The Red Sea War [Earth V]

Sistan
15-08-2006, 02:52
Public Announcement
For months, the so called Red Sea Alliance has pranced around Africa, annexing territory as though warmongering was going out of style. Arabicia has allowed renegade Vineyardian forces to attack Sistan from its own territory without a single attempt to stop them. Now Arabicia has taken a page out of Hitler's playbook and staged an attack on its own territory to give a crude excuse to invade the sovereign nation of Yemen. Most recently, Alif Laam Miim has staged a coup in Bahrain and planted a puppet on the throne who immediately declared his loyalty to his puppetmasters. Further, Alif Laam Miim has been smuggling troops around the globe with military transports disguised as crude tankers. To top it off, now the Red Sea Alliance is making false claims of genocide in Asherton. If there were a genocide in Asherton, I would know about it, and put an end to it. This imperialism, warmongering, and lying cannot go on any longer. As of now, the Persian Empire is at war with Alif Laam Miim, Arabicia, and Kopparsberg.

-King Cyrus III
The Persian Empire of Sistan


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Only minutes after the King's announcement, Sistani troops and aircraft were rushing across several borders. The primary thrust was across the Iraqi and Kuwaiti borders with Saudi Arabia. A second thrust was launched from the United Arab Emirates, also into Saudi Arabia. Another secondary thrust was launched from Asherton's northwestern border with Sudan. The final secondary thrust was launched through Jordan into Israel, the Sistani troops having started through Jordan several hours before under the cover of the night. By now, dawn minutes away. The tertiary thrusts were amphibious operations, hitting Bahrain, Yemen, and a series of minor landings along the Saudi gulf coast. Other forces moved into Oman, Qatar, Eastern Syria, Armenia, and Azerbaijan to prevent them from being used by enemy forces.

Air strikes were launched from bases and carriers to strike military targets in the territories of Sistan's new enemies. Port Sudan and Jiddah in the Red Sea were among the first targets.The cluster of Saudi military bases near Bahrain were another major target. The naval base at Elat was the target of several hundred light attackers and fighters, as were the bases in Haifa, Port Said, and Alexandria. Nearly every significant base within 600 miles of a Sistani airbase or the Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, or Persian Gulf was targeted, much like the way the Israelies targeted Egypt's airfields during the Six Day War of 1967, where most of the Egyptian air force was destroyed on the ground.

Perhaps one of the most interesting target was the Aswan Dam, which provided most of the electricity for Egypt. The attack would hit the nearby airbase with heavy bombs, hopefully destroying the hangars and runways. At the same time, torpedoes would hit the lake side of the dam above the electrical generators, after which the bombers would circle around and hit the electrical plant and dam face with bombs. Chances are, the dam would fail.

Finally, the ALM naval forces in the Gulf of Aden and Red Sea were targeted by several hundred light attackers and bombers launched from Socotra and Djibouti while Sistani jets provided top cover.


To put it simply, the enemy forces would have little to no warning before the attacks, and the Sistani attacks would be so overwhelming that to fight would be suicide. The only way that any enemy forces would survive to fight again would be for them to retreat immediately and regroup. Sometimes, one must sacrifice large expanses of territory or lose everything.
Asherton
15-08-2006, 02:54
Just prior to the Sistani declaration of war, the First Airborne Division began boarding its transport planes in Djibouti City, gearing up and preparing for their drop on the opposite side of the Bab el Mandeb. No prior airstrikes or rocket artillery assaults would be needed, as it would be a drop into relatively friendly territory in Yemen. It was expected that their fellow Muslims would welcome the Ashertonians as liberators and assist Sistan and Asherton in their military operations. The planes launched as soon as King Cyrus III made his announcement.

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Public Announcement
The Red Sea Alliance is showing its true aggressive side, the kind of aggression historically shown by Zionists to their Muslim neighbors! Their lies of genocide and their aggression will not be tolerated! We will teach these Jews that we will not stand by and watch our brothers and sisters be occupied and treated like dogs.

As Grand Imam of the Great Mosque of Mogadishu, I hereby declare a global Jihad in order to push back the forces of the infidels! Yemen will not fall before the infidels! Asherton hereby declares war against the Red Sea Alliance, and implore our Muslim brothers and sisters to join us in this great struggle!

Allah Akbar!
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Elsewhere, jets took off to conduct airstrikes and provide air cover for the troops that began pouring across the Sudanese border. They either rode in trucks (military and seized civilian vehicles) and on tanks as artillery and rocket artillery support blasted away at enemy positions ahead of them. Their objective was to take control of Sudan and neutralize its ability to be used as an enemy stronghold. Egypt would also be attacked, but for the Ashertonians, was less of a priority until Sudan was captured. A long fight was definately in store...
Alif Laam Miim
15-08-2006, 03:06
ooc: I'd post troops before doing that - and it's late for me to post anything significant, but do realize that you're in for a serious haul. once I have the time for more, I will post my military positions and stats - tomorrow likely, but you have your fun for now.

SIC and OOC: Military Forces present in the Sudan to combat against the invasion of Sudan.

Army Group 3 [Aswan], currently based in Khartoum.

Troops- 85,000 [accounts for casualties and reinforcements in the Sudan campaign]

Equipment-

Small arms:
AK-47, TOW-2

Armored Vehicles:
150 M1A1 MBT
50 M60A3 MBT
200 T-62 MBT
40 YPR-765 armored IFV
100 Fahd-30 IFV
500 M113 APC

Artillery: [numbers unknown at the moment, but a sizeable portion]
Project-T SRBM
Sakr-80 rockets
M109A1 155mm self-propelled howitzers
D-20 152mm towed guns
M-46 130mm towed guns
5 SPH 122mm self-propelled guns
A-19 Model 1931/1937 122mm towed guns

Air Defense: [numbers unknown at the moment, but a sizeable portion]
MIM-23 Hawk - MRSAM
MIM-72/M48 Chaparral - SAM
Crotale - MSRSAM
SA-6 Gainful - MLMASAM
SA-3 Goa - LLSAM
SA-2 Guideline - HASAGM
Nile 23 23mm self-propelled AA guns
Sinai 23 23mm self-propelled AA guns
S-60 AA guns
KS-19 AA guns
ZU 23mm AA guns

Air Support:
50 F-16C
16 Mirage 2000D
F-33 [unknown numbers but the largest number of fighters at the disposal of the Emirate - no more than 100]
C-130 Hercules [unknown numbers]
E-2 Hawkeye C [unknown numbers]
10 McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apaches
Mil Mi-8 [unknown numbers, guessing at 10 right now]
Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk [unknown numbers, guessing at 10 right now]


Reinforcements to arrive -

10,000 troops [currently in Aswan - ready now, but must move out to the Sudan]
50 Merkava MK4
50 M60A3 MBT

40,000 troops [currently in Aswan - ready in no later than two EV-war weeks]
50 M1A1 MBT
100 T-62 MBT
130 M113 APC


Auxiliary Forces are to be mobilized along with the rest of the Armed Forces - their numbers will be adjoined to Army units when mobilization is finished. Auxiliary Forces are also defensive so if any Army units begin to leave the Emirate, they will detach their Auxiliary personel and continue with their base numbers - if there is a need to progress into foreign territories.

[For the full details on the mobilization of the ALM Armed Forces, please review the military thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526) and the ALM military post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492189).]


[ooc: Ii'm not posting any reply to the strike until Sistan and Asherton give their troop dispositions]
Kopparbergs_0
15-08-2006, 09:52
OOC: I'm going to work in a moment, and I don't have time to answer right now, be back in about 12 hours from now.
Warta Endor
15-08-2006, 11:09
Official Reaction of the Warta Endorean Government

We are shocked by the clear agression by Asherton and Sistan. Warta Endor condemns these actions and calls for an emergency meeting by the UN security council. The only way to follow is the way of diplomacy.

Warta Endor will stay neutral in this conflict, but our hearts clearly lie with the victims of this agression.
[NS]Arabicia
15-08-2006, 14:46
OOC: I can't write anything decent until later this night (Pacific). I've got work until then, and if I don't get online tonight,well, I have school and then work on both thursday and friday, but I'll try to post tonight. In the meanwhile I'd appreciate knowing exacts. How many planes? How many soldiers? Do you just have a bunch of infantry marchin across my border or are they in vechicles?
Alif Laam Miim
15-08-2006, 22:13
Perhaps one of the most interesting target was the Aswan Dam, which provided most of the electricity for Egypt. The attack would hit the nearby airbase with heavy bombs, hopefully destroying the hangars and runways. At the same time, torpedoes would hit the lake side of the dam above the electrical generators, after which the bombers would circle around and hit the electrical plant and dam face with bombs. Chances are, the dam would fail.

[ooc: Quite difficult for the dam to fail when it wasn't built in this RP. That's what the Qattara Project is for - and that's an in-progress program, to be built mostly underground. And FYI, the Aswan High Dam isn't generating as much electricity as it used to because storing the river caused more problems than solutions - not enough fertile soil for agriculture, water flowing elsewhere and damaging local properties, not to mention that the Nile River is slowly shrinking and becoming less and less available to Egyptian needs. Egypt has been relying more on its own resources of oil and natural gas to supply its power anyways [recent survey says over 75% is fossil fuel in RL], so it'd be better to target those.]
Warta Endor
15-08-2006, 22:19
ooc. Not to forget, if you take a RL example of Dambusting, look at the Dambusters Raid in 1943. They used a 4200 kg Bomb with a3000 kg Explosive Charge. Simple Torpedoes or Bombs couldn''t do the trick.
Kopparbergs_0
15-08-2006, 23:18
[Saudi Arabia]
Kopparbergs' troops along the border between Saudi Arabia and Iraq/Kuwait were not 100% prepared, but they knew that this moment was a likely development.

When they saw the airplanes on the radar-screens they immediately prepared for business. The Anti-Air batteries was fully loaded and just waited to shoot down the slow propeller-planes. The Doher's (Artillery) and the MAR-290's (Long range artillery) fired instantly against the Sistani tanks and artilleries.
This was the first time the LAHAT-system (Laser Homing Anti-Tank Gun Launched Weapon System) was used in a real combat. The Israeli tank-troops were very delighted when they saw the capacity of this system.

The 40 F-16C planes patrolling amongst the Saudi/Iraqi border (and the Saudi Arabian eastern coastline) were immediately starting to fire back when the Sistani airplanes began to open fire. They got confirmation on the radio that Sistani troops were crossing the border, and began to fire SAM-missiles at Sistani ground forces.

Three F-16's were shot down by Sistani airplanes.

[Israel]
OOC: I doubt that you can just go through Jordan, without the Jordanian's trying to stop you.

IC:
Weeeeeee-Weeeeeee-Weeeeeeee
The flight-alarm was sounding across the Israeli cities. The border patrols were on highest alert due to the last days Sistani activities. Lavi-jets were constantly in the air, and when the Sistani airplanes were in sight, they knew what to do right away.

The HAWK-installations (version, PIP-3. An Israeli version of the Patriot system) tracked the Sistani airplanes, and the radar lit the planes while the anti-air missiles were fired.

OOC: Dammit, I have to go, RL-issues... I'll be back in a couple of hours.
The Great Sixth Reich
16-08-2006, 02:36
http://www.abw.gov.pl/Zasoby/Obrazy/Tlo_gora.jpg

Chief Officer of Defense Ludo Heinkel,

Our agency recently intercepted a foreign spy. The woman in question climbed a security wall protecting the Governor-General's building in Kraków, and attempted to disarm a searchlight covering the courtyard before the military planning room. Our agents immediately stormed the location of the spy after a gardener caring for the Governor-General's Lungworts saw her. She surrendered and our agents disarmed and arrested her.

After interrogation, she reveal her connection to a large spy ring operating in the Great Sixth Reich. They apparently have high-ranking connections somewhere in the government, since the spy knew how to avoid the exterior security guards, though it was impossible to determine who or where. Not only do they have connections with government officials, but we judge that they are also heavily funded and well-equiped. They are most likely funded by a foreign country in the Red Sea Alliance.

Respectfully,
Witold Marczuk
Agencja Bezpieczeństwa Wewnętrznego (ABW)

"Polish intelligence? I never knew they existed...[Governor-General] Jonatan Romanowski must control them. He's a good guy. I'd trust his men..." Heinkel thought. "I must contact Sistan immediately."

Secret Message to Sistan
Sistan Military Command,

Polish intelligence has discovered that an elaborate spy network, reportedly working with the Red Sea Alliance, is operating in the Great Sixth Reich. They also have a government contact somewhere in our higher-command structure.

Not only is this bad, but there's more. Reich Intelligence has informed me that a credible source states the Vineyardians are getting ready to stage an offensive. In fact, it looks like they want to launch a publicity stunt. Knowing this, one could assume that Sistan will see the effects without us telling first.

It is in Sistan's best interest that we do not become involved in this operation at this time for these reasons. Our military information is no longer secure, and this could easily comprise an operation until we resolve this problem.

However, our industrial services are still open to Sistan. Any equipment can be bought and sent rapidly to Sistan.

With best wishes for your operation,
http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-08-15_03/202158_Ludo.jpg
Ludo Heinkel
Oberster Offizier des Kriegs
Die Rechtskonservativ Monokratie Großdeutsches Sechste Reich
Alif Laam Miim
16-08-2006, 03:28
SIC to TG6R:

The Emirate wishes to know if the The Great Sixth Reich will remain a neutral player in the upcoming conflict, since we recognize that there would be a conflict of interests for the The Republic Monocracy if they were to participate. We hope that the Sistani declaration of war does not cause any alarm for your nation, as we have already stated that our intention was not for war - their declaration of war only proves their belligerence in the current circumstance.

But I digress; we sincerely hope that the United Nations Security Council can put an end to this senseless nonsense before someone gets hurt. Sistan's unwise flexing will cost them dearly if Emirate citizens are injured or killed in the conflict, and may it be thus then that Allah restrains our wrath against such barbary.

In other words, we urge caution for TG6R vessels entering the Red Sea. Whereas your vessels have free and safe passage in Emirate waters, we cannot insure that the same respect can be shown by Sistani forces, who have already sunk a tanker in the Gulf of Aden. And although it would be unwise of them to do so, we maintain our urgency of caution passinng through this zone. We sincerely hope that your businesses do not lose much profit from these cautions, and as is true for our allies, the Suez Canal remains open to your use, should you desire to use it.

Prime Minister Yusuf Hassan
Kopparbergs_0
16-08-2006, 10:28
OOC: Was the air strikes against Alexandria, Port Said and Haifa launched from the Red Sea? I doubt that your planes can fly several hundred miles over enemy territory without being discovered.

IC:
Red Sea and Eilat
Kopparbergs' Navy in the Red Sea (both surface vessels and submarines) was surprised by the large amount of Sistani airplanes in the air. Once they realized that they were under attack the opened fire against all enemy vessels and planes. One of the submarines fired off two torpedoes, the target was a Sistani aircraft carrier.

In Eilat they were prepared as they have got signals from the navy in the Red Sea about what was going on. Lavi-fighters were called in from Beersheba as they don't have any Air Force in Eilat. Every single anti-aircraft battery (mostly HAWK, PIP-3) around Eilat was engaged in the defense of Eilat, but they didn't manage to stop every plane as there were a very large amount of Sistani-planes. Three patrol boats (Shaldag MK-II) were sunk just outside Eilat and 48 navies were killed. Sistani bombs seriously damaged one large building at the Eilat-base, and the exact number of soldiers KIA is yet to be announced but it's probably a several hundreds.


Public announcement from the Kingdom
Today was a black day in Israel's history. The Sistani barbarians launched a big attack at Israel, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt today. We have lost many good soldiers today, both in Saudi Arabia and in Eilat. We demand that the Persian warmongers immediately stop these illegal actions, and withdraw all their troops from every single territory that doesn't belong to Sistan.

King Carl Gustaf XXI of Kopparbergs
Neuvo Rica
16-08-2006, 13:17
ooc: nooooooooooooo! Bugger you Jolt! I just spent ages writing an opening post and then this stopped working. Please forgive the appaling quality of this makeshift replacement.

Basically, the confederacy offers military support to the Red Sea Alliance
2 Marine divisions and some airforce stuff are mobilised.
We just ask where you want us to send the troops to.
Warta Endor
16-08-2006, 13:27
ooc. i know how you feel. Jolt has been shitty lately. I can't check the forums straight out of my nation, I get some kind of error if I try...
Warta Endor
16-08-2006, 19:31
The 2nd. Squadron (15 F16D Block 52/52+), the 12th. Squadron and the 133rd. Squadron (2x15 Hawk 209) had arrived in Bahrein together with Groundcrew and Pilots. The entire planes, even the markings, were painted black, with only a large number on the tails. Soon they started to fly their first patrols, equipped with Derby and Python 5 Missiles supplied by Kopparbergs. Dozens of AGM-84D harpoons were ready to be used against the Sistanian Navy should they come within reach of the squadrons. If they encountered Sistanian planes, their orders were to engage and destroy the enemy.

The men were called "Advisors" back in Singapore at the Air Force HQ. Their official role was to "advise" and help the ALM Armed Forces.

ooc. See this as the "advisors" the US sent to Vietnam in the early 50's.
Kopparbergs_0
16-08-2006, 22:38
ooc: nooooooooooooo! Bugger you Jolt! I just spent ages writing an opening post and then this stopped working. Please forgive the appaling quality of this makeshift replacement.

Basically, the confederacy offers military support to the Red Sea Alliance
2 Marine divisions and some airforce stuff are mobilised.
We just ask where you want us to send the troops to.

We suggest (without a discussion with the other members of the alliance) that you send your, much appreciated, troops to Saudi Arabia. Preferable at the east coast or amongst the border to UAE.

General Carl Hamilton, Secretary of Defense
Kingdom of Kopparbergs
Kopparbergs_0
16-08-2006, 23:06
Saudi Arabia
Three trucks arrived at the temporary base in northeast Saudi Arabia. Every truck carried ten containers. In every container there were one HARPY. After a short stop at the base, each truck left the base together with one HARPY-launcher truck. One truck headed back northwest, one to the south, and the last one straight to the north. When the trucks were a couple of miles from the Iraqi/Kuwait border, they loaded the HARPY-launcher with one HARPY and fired off. They repeated this ten times, until all containers were empty. 30 lethal UAV's were on their way to enemy territory, and they were going to stay in the air until they detected any kind of radar signals. At that moment they'll enter attack mode and begin their almost vertical dive towards the radar signal. Just above the target, they will detonate their warheads and destroy whatever it was that was sending out radar waves.

(OOC: More info here ( http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/uav/harpy/HARPY.html))
Alif Laam Miim
17-08-2006, 01:43
ooc: I maintain my previous comments - I'm doing anything ICly until Sistan and Asherton post their stats. I'm not going to godmod against anything, even if I'm fighting first generation fighters and tanks. And I'm pretty certain that they wouldn't want me to godmod too.]
Alif Laam Miim
17-08-2006, 02:07
We suggest (without a discussion with the other members of the alliance) that you send your, much appreciated, troops to Saudi Arabia. Preferable at the east coast or amongst the border to UAE.

General Carl Hamilton, Secretary of Defense
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

SIC: [ooc: I sincerely that this is all SIC] The ALM General Staff concurs with this decision, pending if Arabicia accepts the assistance, and pending furthermore if your armed forces are willing to commit to this engagement. For the moment, Emirate Armed Forces are ready to make a counter strike against Sistan and Asherton forces from Ethiopia, since Sistan cannot effectively wage two fronts at once and Asherton's military is significantly weaker than our own - numbering around 20,000 troops. Once the Emirate has completely mobilized, we will spend much of our energy into destroying this force, and in conjunction with Kopparbergs naval forces, to eliminate Sistan's naval threat in the Arabian Sea. Hopefully, with this attention focus, Kopparbergs and Arabicia can effectively mount their own defensive actions along the border with Sistan in the Middle East until we've neutralized this threat in Ethiopia, or your own forces come to assist them. Perhaps, then we can liberate the UAE from Sistan's overtly unrighteous and unwise authorities.
Warta Endor
17-08-2006, 22:41
ooc. Maybe we should make a combined list of the RSA Forces+foreign support...
Alif Laam Miim
18-08-2006, 03:22
[ooc: well, neither Kopparbergs nor Arabicia have actually posted their stats either... although I'd assume for Arabicia, he'd have his entire military stats committed.

But yeah, everyone post your military contributions in list form so we can know what's being tossed where and when...]
Asherton
18-08-2006, 03:29
OOC: We're currently working out our ORBAT, and this weekend I'm moving into my dorm at college. This will only be a momentary disruption and we will be able to post IC stats soon.

Other than that, please see my post in the military declaration forms. Of course, this was before I factored in my conquest of Djibouti, Eritrea and Ethiopia. An updated version will probably be available later tonight or tomorrow.
Persecution and Hatred
18-08-2006, 03:35
Aswell as Logistical support to Arabicia and Kopperburgs we will also send a airforce attachement of 10 Rooivalk attack helicopters as well as 20 Atlas Oryx troop transport/ transport helicopters. Pilots Included!!!! as both Aircraft are of south african manufacture.

we may also deploy a detachment of special forces..... (statistics to be announced if deployed)

we hope this relatively token gesture will aid Isreal....
Alif Laam Miim
18-08-2006, 03:36
ooc: I'd post troops before doing that - and it's late for me to post anything significant, but do realize that you're in for a serious haul. once I have the time for more, I will post my military positions and stats - tomorrow likely, but you have your fun for now.

SIC and OOC: Military Forces present in the Sudan to combat against the invasion of Sudan.

Army Group 3 [Aswan], currently based in Khartoum.

Troops- 85,000 [accounts for casualties and reinforcements in the Sudan campaign]

Equipment-

Small arms:
AK-47, TOW-2

Armored Vehicles:
150 M1A1 MBT
50 M60A3 MBT
200 T-62 MBT
40 YPR-765 armored IFV
100 Fahd-30 IFV
500 M113 APC

Artillery: [numbers unknown at the moment, but a sizeable portion]
Project-T SRBM
Sakr-80 rockets
M109A1 155mm self-propelled howitzers
D-20 152mm towed guns
M-46 130mm towed guns
5 SPH 122mm self-propelled guns
A-19 Model 1931/1937 122mm towed guns

Air Defense: [numbers unknown at the moment, but a sizeable portion]
MIM-23 Hawk - MRSAM
MIM-72/M48 Chaparral - SAM
Crotale - MSRSAM
SA-6 Gainful - MLMASAM
SA-3 Goa - LLSAM
SA-2 Guideline - HASAGM
Nile 23 23mm self-propelled AA guns
Sinai 23 23mm self-propelled AA guns
S-60 AA guns
KS-19 AA guns
ZU 23mm AA guns

Air Support:
50 F-16C
16 Mirage 2000D
F-33 [unknown numbers but the largest number of fighters at the disposal of the Emirate - no more than 100]
C-130 Hercules [unknown numbers]
E-2 Hawkeye C [unknown numbers]
10 McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apaches
Mil Mi-8 [unknown numbers, guessing at 10 right now]
Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk [unknown numbers, guessing at 10 right now]


Reinforcements to arrive -

10,000 troops [currently in Aswan - ready now, but must move out to the Sudan]
50 Merkava MK4
50 M60A3 MBT

40,000 troops [currently in Aswan - ready in no later than two EV-war weeks]
50 M1A1 MBT
100 T-62 MBT
130 M113 APC


Auxiliary Forces are to be mobilized along with the rest of the Armed Forces - their numbers will be adjoined to Army units when mobilization is finished. Auxiliary Forces are also defensive so if any Army units begin to leave the Emirate, they will detach their Auxiliary personel and continue with their base numbers - if there is a need to progress into foreign territories.

[For the full details on the mobilization of the ALM Armed Forces, please review the military thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526) and the ALM military post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492189).]


[ooc: Ii'm not posting any reply to the strike until Sistan and Asherton give their troop dispositions]

[ooc: too many ooc comments... but I was thinking of something on the lines of these...]
Persecution and Hatred
18-08-2006, 03:40
-Encrypted message to kopperburgs-

where would you like our airforce attachment? I have finally added my military stats on my thread so You can see "rooivalks" are actually genuine .

This is all we can offer at the time being.... We are busy putting down Zimbabwean agitators and consolidating our hold on that particular territory.
Alif Laam Miim
18-08-2006, 04:06
-Encrypted message to kopperburgs-

where would you like our airforce attachment? I have finally added my military stats on my thread so You can see "rooivalks" are actually genuine .

This is all we can offer at the time being.... We are busy putting down Zimbabwean agitators and consolidating our hold on that particular territory.

[ooc: This would better be relayed to the Red Sea Alliance Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495608), where it's out of the way in this thread and in somewhere that's relevant to this thread at the same time. And a request to future offers to Red Sea Alliance - please post in that thread with stats until the Alliance has confirmed the assistance, so this thread doesn't become as bogged down as it already is.]
Sistan
28-08-2006, 11:02
ooc. Not to forget, if you take a RL example of Dambusting, look at the Dambusters Raid in 1943. They used a 4200 kg Bomb with a3000 kg Explosive Charge. Simple Torpedoes or Bombs couldn''t do the trick.
Says you. (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IAX/is_4_83/ai_77379372/print)



Now, Asherton still has his own stuff to do, and we haven't hammered out details like the composition of logistics and artillery battalions, but here's the basics of what I'm fielding.

Map (Warning, huge) (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/Images/Mideast_invasions.jpg)
For reference, this is my basic order of battle: link (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/orbat.html)

Each armored battalion contains 30 Zulfiqar main battle tanks, which should be quite a bit more potent than the T-72, perhaps even up to par with the M1A1. Each Cavalry battalion contains 30 Tosan light tanks, which are basicly clones of the British Scorpion light tank. In all, each armored division will have some 270 tanks, 180 being MBTs and the other 90 being light tanks.


Now, to list my deployments as shown on the map.

Israel via Jordan: Army Group One, containing the First, Second, and Third Sistani Armies. In total, 300,000 men, 1080 MBTs, 540 light tanks, and quite a bit of artillery and anti-aircraft weapons and APCs. Heavy support from the Sistani airforce.

Syria and Lebanon: The Ninth Sistani Army. In total, 100,000 men, 360 MBTs, 180 light tanks, and quite a bit of AA, artillery, and APCs. Mild support from the Sistani airforce.

Armenia and Azerbaijan: The 101st and 102nd Infantry Divisions and the 104th Armored Division. In total, 60,000 men, 180 MBTs, 90 light tanks, and a fair amount of AA, artillery, and APCs. Mild support from the Sistani airforce.

Saudi Arabia: Army Group Two, containing the Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Sistani Armies. In total, 00,000 men, 1080 MBTs, 540 light tanks, and quite a bit of artillery and anti-aircraft weapons and APCs. Heavy support from the Sistani airforce, mild support from the navy.

Bahrain: Half of the First Marine Division. In total, 10,000 men, 45 MBTs, 45 light tanks, and a bit of artillery, AA, and APCs. Heavy support from the Sistani navy and air force.

Qatar: Half of the First Marine Division and the Second Marine Division. In total, 30,000 men, 135 MBTs, 135 light tanks, and a fair amount of AA, artillery and APCs. Heavy support from the Sistani airforce and navy. Elements of the Eighth Army are to invade from the south some time after the amphibious landings.

Oman: The 111th and 112th Infantry Divisions and 114th Armored Division. In total, 60,000 men, 180 MBTs, 90 light tanks, and a fair amount of AA, artillery, and APCs. Light support from the airforce and navy.

Yemen: The Third, Fourth, and Fifth Marine Divisions. In total, 60,000 men, 270 MBTs, 270 light tanks, and a fair ammount of artillery, AA, and APCs. Heavy support from the navy.

Sudan: The Sixth Army and 73rd Airborne Division. In total, 120,000 men, 360 MBTs, 180 light tanks, and quite a bit of AA, artillery, and APCs. Heavy support from the navy.


Now, these are just my deployments. Asherton still has to finish recompiling his military and then post his deployments. I will post IC later today if I can. Until then, refrain from doing anything.
Sistan
28-08-2006, 14:27
--Saudi Arabia--
The Kopparbergsian anti-aircraft defenses were more active than expected, but their placement had been known for weeks. Though the Kopparbergsian batteries were potent, there were simply far, far too many Sistani aircraft for them to deal with. While the SAMs and guns targeted one aircraft, several more would attack the air defenses, bombing them or firing anti-radiation missiles while other aircraft jammed radar systems with ECM pods. In addition to the relentless strikes on the anti-aircraft weapons, the anti-tank weapons were also heavily struck by the Sistani aerial onslaught. In the wake of the airstrikes, Sistani armored and infantry divisions swept into the area and cleaned up before moving further into the area. Meanwhile, Sistani jets dealt with whatever aerial assets that the Red Sea Alliance could put into the air.


--Jordan--
The Sistani forces had begun moving through Jordan in the middle of the night. An initial force was sent to meet them, but quickly surrendered due to the hopelessness of staving off three armies. Further, the Jordanian people were still bitter from their defeats at the hands of the Israelies, and were more than happy to sit back and watch as Sistan moved to drive the Jews into the sea, many even joining up with the Sistani forces, Jordanian military units included. Within hours of first crossing the border, the Sistani armies were passing through Amman, and the government was left with little choice but to join the Persian Empire. Though many opposed the early morning decision to cede Jordanian sovereignty to Sistan, the opposition was rarely strong enough to warrant anything more than protesting within the capital.


--Syria--
Though far fewer troops entered Syria than entered Jordan, the story was much the same. Faced with an entire army that was moving to destroy Syria's long-time enemy, Israel, the Syrians wanted little to do with trying to stop the Sistani forces. Before the Sistani troops had even neared Damascus, Syria had surrendered to Sistan unconditionally, becoming the newest state in the Empire so far. As part of the surrender, the Syrian military began to gear up for war, with units moving southwest as soon as they were ready.


--Lebanon--
Like Syria and Jordan, the Lebanese were for the most part powerless to stop the Sistani army from moving into their territory, and like Syria and Jordan, most of the population supported Sistan for moving to destroy Israel once and for all. Although the Lebanese government was one of the most progressive in the region and had a functioning democracy, much of the country was run by Hezbollah, a largely Shia organization. While the largely Sunni nations of Syria and Jordan had also capitulated to Sistan, the Lebanese, with a major Shia population, were perhaps the most enthusiastic about the Sistani takeover. Though to be fair, that wasn't saying much. None the less, Lebanon too became part of the Persian Empire.


--Israel--
With the support of Israel's neighbors, the Sistani troops began to move into Israel along the eastern and northern borders at dawn, the advances across the border announced by a series of huge raids on Israeli targets by Sistani aircraft based out of western Iraq. Every known airfield was struck repeatedly, runways bombed first, then AA defenses, aircraft on the ground, and then hangars. Army bases were also struck repeatedly, hundreds of aircraft bombing barracks and armories. The ports in Haifa, Ashdod, Bat Yam, Netyana, and Elat were perhaps the most heavily bombed targets, though there were some other targets which received an abnormal amount of attention. All the while, the Sistani aircraft made heavy use of ECM and Anti-Radiation Missiles.

The bus depots of Tel-Aviv were struck, due in part to intel gathered by an IDF defector to Sistan that reported that without the bus service that the Israelies depended on so heavily, the population would riot and society would fall apart. Further, the water pipes from Lake Galilee were bombed in several places, cutting off most of Israel's fresh water. To compound the damage, Sistani aircraft bombed pumping stations on the lake and desalination plants on the coast as well.

As a final step to soften up Israeli defenses, the Sistani artillery battalions began firing thousands upon thousands of shells and rockets into the tiny country, tanks and infantry moving beneath the umbrella of fire.


--Bahrain--
The Sistani invasion of Bahrain started much like the invasion of Israel, with a heavy campaign of airstrikes and artillery fire, but this time naval in origin. As the sun began to rise above the Eastern horizon, Sistani marines were storming the north end of the island. As soon as a beach head was secured, the Sistani forces would move south, clearing the island of any and all ALM forces. All the while, the Sistani navy and airforce would provide close support and top cover.


--Qatar--
The invasion of Qatar began much like the invasion of Bahrain, but the Sistani forces were quickly met by operatives of an organization known as the 'Arm of Allah', who also wanted to see the infidels of the Red Sea Alliance crushed. Though Sistan had not previously had any association with the organization, they had a common enemy and a common cause. The Arm of Allah, as the organization called itself, had apparently ingrained itself into the governments of Qatar and Oman shortly after the invasion of Yemen, and was willing to join Sistan should Sistan become more like the old Islamic Republic of Iran and become more theocratic. After a series of phonecalls to Tehran, it was agreed and Qatar fell to Sistan without a shot fired.


--Oman--
Like Qatar, Oman was also firmly in the Arm of Allah's hands. When Sistani troops crossed the Omani border with the UAE, they too were met by Arm of Allah forces, and they too were welcomed with open arms. As Sistani forces entered the capital of Masqat, gunfire erupted from every street. However, this fire was in celebration, not anger. Like in Qatar, the Arm of Allah had ceded Oman to Sistan without hostility.


--Yemen--
In Yemen, things were a bit more complicated. Though word within the Arm of Allah had spread quickly, the Arabician hostilities had resulted in the communications to several of the Sistani landing sites being knocked out, and several of the Sistani landing parties faced fierce resistance from Arm of Allah forces when they hit the beach. On the other hand, the majority simply walked ashore and were welcomed, much like the way that the first US Marines were welcomed when they landed in South Vietnam. The AoA forces in the area reported that they were in no way connected to the bombing in Riyadh, and were little more than a political group up until the Arabician invasion. After the invasion, they took up arms put a stop to the Red Sea Alliance. Almost immediately after being briefed by the local resistance, the Sistani forces set up command headquarters and moved to seek out and destroy the Arabician invasion forces with heavy air support from the Sistani navy.


--Sudan--
After aiding in the Ashertonian revolution, Sistani forces were moved to the border with Sudan. Though the revolution prevented Sistan from aiding the Sudanese resistance, that would soon change. 120,000 Sistani forces stormed the border along side Ashertonian forces that exceeded their numbers. Airstrikes and missile strikes targeted large concentrations of enemy troops and armor, while airfields were especially targeted. The Sistani navy and air force were on hand to aid the ground forces as needed, and were joined by the Ashertonian air corps. In all, the ALM forces in Sudan were outnumbered by several times, and that would likely only get worse as the Ashertonian conscripts arrived.


--Red Sea--
With six aircraft carriers in the area and a number of escorts, the Sistani navy all but owned the Red Sea. Carrier aircraft attacked the Red Sea Alliance naval assets by the dozens, the relatively primitive level of the aircraft offset easily by numbers and tactics. Further, enemy ports along the sea were ruthlessly targeted by air raids, port facilities and ships to be hit by a mix of divebombing and low level strafing. By splitting the force into a high level and low level group, the Sistani aircraft were sure to get the job done as anti-aircraft defenses targeted one group over the other, leaving the other group to hit the targets mostly unmolested. Casualties were expected, but such is war. The tactic worked at Midway, and it would work here.


--Armenia and Azerbaijan--
Though Armenia and Azerbaijan held very little strategic value in the war, it was unthinkable to Tehran to leave so much unincorporated territory open on the northern border. In addition, Azerbaijan had a very large Shia majority, and it would be a crime to leave them alone to be conquered by the first warlord or invader that came along. As a result, sixty thousand men, including an armored division, were sent into the Caucasus region to secure the area. Though initial resistance was mild, focused mostly in the Christian Armenia, a popular resistance began to try to force the Sistani army out. This was met with rounds of airstrikes, while armored and infantry units made a thrust for Baku.



OOC: Wait until Asherton posts before responding.
Great Romeo
28-08-2006, 15:16
OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11607730#post11607730
Sistan
28-08-2006, 16:20
OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11607730#post11607730

OOC: I'm not responding to anyone but Granate with regards to the Caucasus until the rest of the war has progressed a bit.
Kopparbergs
28-08-2006, 17:35
--Jordan--
OOC:
Remember that Vineyard had control over Jordan, and they certainly do not like you after what you have done in Iraq and Kuwait. I do not believe you can cross the country in a couple of hours and continue into Israel.

--Syria--
OOC: I do not think you can invade Syria, and turn them to attack Israel.

--Lebanon--
most of the population supported Sistan for moving to destroy Israel once and for all. None the less, Lebanon too became part of the Persian Empire.
OOC: Again, you cannot invade a country in one or two post, and then get them to invade another country.

--Bahrain--
the Sistani forces would move south, clearing the island of any and all ALM forces.

OOC: You cannot delete all of ALM's troops.


--Qatar--
After a series of phonecalls to Tehran, it was agreed and Qatar fell to Sistan without a shot fired.
OOC: I don't think you can invade a country without shooting a single bullet.


--Oman--
they too were welcomed with open arms. As Sistani forces entered the capital of Masqat, gunfire erupted from every street. However, this fire was in celebration, not anger. Like in Qatar, the Arm of Allah had ceded Oman to Sistan without hostility.
OOC: Again, you cannot invade a country in one or two post, and then get them to do your favours.

--Yemen--
the majority simply walked ashore and were welcomed, much like the way that the first US Marines were welcomed when they landed in South Vietnam. After the invasion, they took up arms put a stop to the Red Sea Alliance. Almost immediately after being briefed by the local resistance, the Sistani forces set up command headquarters and moved to seek out and destroy the Arabician invasion forces with heavy air support from the Sistani navy.

OOC: Again, you cannot invade a country in one or two post, and then get them to do your favours.

Remember, you're not the God of Middle East, that every other nation adores and want to be a member of. They might hate you, and make very hard resistance, not throwing flowers at you, and kiss your feet when you invade their motherlands.

I'm off to say that your complete post is a godmod, and I'm not going to answer it IC.
Vineyard
28-08-2006, 23:07
ooc: That entire post was basically a god-mod.

To conduct war in Earth V, post on what your troops are doing, what the plan to do, and how they will do it. Then the Defeder gets to post his responce. Then you post, etc etc etc. But you cannot really tell the enemy what his losses are.

Also, Jordan's TO's are likley to still be active. An TO is a territorial Militia that draws strength from every male citizen of the Empire. Simply put, every male in the Empire is trained to use either an AK-47 or a RPG. These weapons are stored in central locations in every village, town, suburb and city so they may be distributed in the case of an invasion. The TO militia man is armed with little more than his gun and his ammunition.

Historically speaking, the TO has been one of the pluses of Vineyardian defence strategy. They can either fight on the front or melt into local populaces only to emerge once the front has passed to conduct gurilla war on logistics forces. Jordan will be tough to supress unless you were to somehow find and kill every male in Jordan... But that would be nothing short of a genocide.
Vineyard
28-08-2006, 23:55
IC:

Regent windsor Smiled and saluted. 500 men saluted back as they paraded by. The Air was abuzz with cheering crowds, trumpets, and drums as the First Battle group paraded in the Imperial Square in Croatia.

1 hour later, the 1st Croatian Army, 1st Infantry Division stood in the main square. What was left of the Imperial Guard stood in formation in front of them (most of the Imperial guard are in Russia, securing Airbases.)

Regent Windsor stood on his podium, a duzen stern-faced ministers and generals gathered around him.

"Citizens of the Empire! Peoples of the world! There is little time for exhortion, but to the brave few wards are as good as many!"

*Cheering*

"Out Intelegence Units and those from our Allies Great Romeo and TG6R have found that Sistan was the probable cause of the attempt on Mr. Vladimir Seks' life and subsequent attempts to frame RSA. This government will not and never allow such attacks to go un-heeded! We shall retaliate! Sistan's war of Agression shall be stopped, the world shall be trodden opon by our soldiers, the seas shall be ours for the taking, and the sky shall know its master. We go to war! From this moment hence-forth, the Empire of Vineyard is in a state of war against the Nation of Sistan!"

*Massive cheering as Windsor decends from his podium and enters the Imperial palace. Soldiers march out to the sound of Drums and Trumpets back to their various bases.*
The Great Sixth Reich
29-08-2006, 00:33
"The Right-Conservative Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich urges all nations in this conflict to seek a diplomatic solution before seeking the destruction of fellow man." -Adolf Göring, Chief Officer of Foreign Affairs, The Right-Conservative Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich
Alif Laam Miim
29-08-2006, 21:46
OOC:
--Jordan--
BS. Jordan is a former territory of Vineyard - there are Vineyardian forces, albeit not under official Vineyardian control ATM. In any case, it still takes time to invade a country and take up the surrendering arms of an enemy. For a country the size of Jordan, that would take at least a week, more likely more. Besides that, you're stepping into Sunni territory, who don't compromise as readily with the Shiites against the Israelis RL.

--Syria--
BS, read above; and it's a bigger country than Jordan.

--Lebanon--
BS, read above; you'd have to plow through Syria first to get to Lebanon.

--Israel--
What neighbors? There are Lebanon and Jordan, of which you have yet to control.

--Bahrain--
There are foreign forces in Bahrain, so consider yourself at war with them.

--Sudan--
The Emirate maintains the 3rd Army Group [90,000 at present], as a result of the Sudan campaign. They are the only mobilized force in the Emirate the moment, because of the Sudan situation, so for one, unless Asherton can equal your 120,000 troops there [of which Asherton only has 20,000 according to his country's ORBAT], they are not heavily outnumbered,
noting further that the airfields in Sudan are not extensively used by the Emirate, because they're still under reconstruction - so you'd have to have plane launch attacks north into Egypt, where a good number of fighters and bombers already fly to and from for missions in the Sudan.

--Red Sea--
The Emirate maintains a fleet in the Red Sea - you'd have to plow through those before you an launch planes from carriers there, and it's not like the fleet is very large anyways.
Granate
29-08-2006, 23:25
OOC: Also even though Azerbaijan is 95 or something percent Islam most of them are non-practicing. Meaning it's more Islamic in Culture and less in Religion. If you need some proof read here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Azerbaijan

Also how many of your troops are actually combat troops? If it's 1 combat for every 3 Supply Troop your forces, infantry mind you, would come out to just 20,000 Combat Soldiers. Now since I only have around 200,000 or so Soldiers total down there, not counting the Reserves I called up, it would most likely be more then just "mild" resistance. Also I would like to know how your MBTs stack up to the T-72 tanks that make up my MBT Force and how your Light Tanks stack up to the T-64 and T-55 that are used in the sense of the light tanks.

IC to come later
Dweladelfia prime
30-08-2006, 00:00
The Brazilian Empire Urges all sides to resolve this conflict soon. We do not want to see deaths in huge numbers on both sides. For the sake of the innocent Please cease hostilities.
Military Command
30-08-2006, 01:11
The Government of United Federation of Military Command urges all that are in this conflict to cease fire and go to the peace talk tables so that this conflict can come to a peaceful ending. We will even allow the warring factions to use Paris to hold their peace talks.
Granate
30-08-2006, 01:17
With the Sistani invasion force pushing into the country, the Army moved into action increasing defenses at strategic cities and areas throughout Armenia and Azerbaijan. The Majority of the forces were located in and throughout the areas around the Armenian City of Kapan and the Azerbaijani Cities of Kurdamir and Ali Bayramli. Kapan's defense had around 100,000 Soldiers and 60 T-72, while the other cities had 70,000 each and around 100 T-64 and T-55 Tanks. The City of Baku itself was reinforced with 40,000 Reservists in addition to the already 12,000 Soldiers located there, plus the 20 T-72 Tanks. The Defenses of Yerevan were also upped with the Addition of 30,000 Reservists and 40 T-64 Tanks

OOC: For Reference to where Kurdamir and Ali Bayramli and Kapan are Use these Map.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Azerbaijan_map.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Armenia_map.png

The Air-Force work actively to keep Baku and Yeravan air-space enemy free, but it was hard considering how small the Air-Force is compared to the Sistani one. They had only 50 - 60% Success rate, but it was enough to get the President and most of his staff out of Baku and Yeravan.

The Marines were called up and moved into posistion and were ready to deploy themselves were needed. They were located in the North near the Town of Shaki. They were there, unless called upon, to train the Reservists being called upon.
Vineyard
30-08-2006, 06:04
-The 2ed Battle Group, Illyria-
The Troops finally surged accross the Border to aid Granate. A force of 500 Dassult Neurons hovered ahead, ready to respond to whatever force may threaten the troops. While this was occuring, thousands of Ospreys decended from the snowy peaks and rushed ahead and past the troops. Their Destination was Beyläqan, A quasi-city with Mountains to the west, and farmland streaching to the North, east, and south. It was here that the Imperial Guard hoped to group up and Hold off Sistan's force until the 2ed battlegroup could arrive.
Sistan
30-08-2006, 06:33
-The 2ed Battle Group, Illyria-
The Troops finally surged accross the Border to aid Granate. A force of 500 Dassult Neurons hovered ahead, ready to respond to whatever force may threaten the troops. While this was occuring, thousands of Ospreys decended from the snowy peaks and rushed ahead and past the troops. Their Destination was Beyläqan, A quasi-city with Mountains to the west, and farmland streaching to the North, east, and south. It was here that the Imperial Guard hoped to group up and Hold off Sistan's force until the 2ed battlegroup could arrive.

OOC: I've already stated that I'm not going to respond to anyone that isn't Granate with regards to the northern front until the rest of the war catches up with diplomatic happenings. I've also asked that people refrain from responding until Asherton gets his lazy ass to posting.
Sistan
30-08-2006, 06:54
OOC:
--Jordan--
BS. Jordan is a former territory of Vineyard - there are Vineyardian forces, albeit not under official Vineyardian control ATM. In any case, it still takes time to invade a country and take up the surrendering arms of an enemy. For a country the size of Jordan, that would take at least a week, more likely more. Besides that, you're stepping into Sunni territory, who don't compromise as readily with the Shiites against the Israelis RL.
Keyword: Former. They're not there anymore in any organizational sense. Also, I don't need to disarm anyone given that the surrender of the government means that the military answers to me. Furthermore, in Earth-V, Israel can't kick everyone's ass like in RL. The Sunnis have far more incentive to fight when victory is much more likely.


--Syria--
BS, read above; and it's a bigger country than Jordan.

And much more hostile to Israel. (And friendly to Iran. Oh shi-)


--Lebanon--
BS, read above; you'd have to plow through Syria first to get to Lebanon.

Not a problem.


--Israel--
What neighbors? There are Lebanon and Jordan, of which you have yet to control.

You just keep your head in the sand, buddy.


--Bahrain--
There are foreign forces in Bahrain, so consider yourself at war with them.

That isn't for you to decide, and I stated that I would be annihilating the ALM forces, not the foreign forces.


--Sudan--
The Emirate maintains the 3rd Army Group [90,000 at present], as a result of the Sudan campaign. They are the only mobilized force in the Emirate the moment, because of the Sudan situation, so for one, unless Asherton can equal your 120,000 troops there [of which Asherton only has 20,000 according to his country's ORBAT], they are not heavily outnumbered,
noting further that the airfields in Sudan are not extensively used by the Emirate, because they're still under reconstruction - so you'd have to have plane launch attacks north into Egypt, where a good number of fighters and bombers already fly to and from for missions in the Sudan.

Protip: Asherton still hasn't updated his military post from where it was before taking Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Djibouti. He's got far more than you do, and will be deploying far more than you can.

Further, no active airfields just makes my job much, much easier. Have fun defending targets beyond a few hundred miles of the Egyptian border.


--Red Sea--
The Emirate maintains a fleet in the Red Sea - you'd have to plow through those before you an launch planes from carriers there, and it's not like the fleet is very large anyways.

Yeah, because your handful of missile boats and frigates are such a threat.
Protip: I already stated that your 'fleet' was being attacked by carrier aircraft.
United Earthlings
30-08-2006, 09:36
IC: The United Netherlands urges all nations about to go to war to settle their differences peacefully. The Middle East has seen to much war.

OCC: I have no comment for on the nations of Jordan, Syria so on that are being invaded. I wasn't here when Vineyard control them and I have no idea of the past of that region in relation to Vineyard and views of that region.

Also, I don't need to disarm anyone given that the surrender of the government means that the military answers to me.
Yes, you would need to disarm them or destroy them. Your invading their homeland- Not only are you going to have to deal with their military but also their civilian population, who are more then likely going to oppose you. How many depends on how you treat them. History has shown just because you control the government does not necessary mean you control their army. World War 2 alone has countless examples of this happening. If you want specify examples, that's easily done. So, just keep that in mind.

Yeah, because your handful of missile boats and frigates are such a threat.
Protip: I already stated that your 'fleet' was being attacked by carrier aircraft.
They are indeed a threat and to ignore them is a God-mod. All it would take is one of those missiles boats to get within range of your ships and launch its Anti-ship missiles. Depending on how many get through its bye-bye to some of your ships. BTW- its a lot easier to defend against aircraft then missiles. Modern Frigates and Destroyers have anti-air missiles. So, more then likely your going to lose some aircraft too. So, there do you still think his fleet is not a threat? One way or another your going to have to deal with his navy no matter how small.
Again there are countless examples of a small Navy causing a big Navy problems.
Warta Endor
30-08-2006, 15:45
ooc. Warta Endor has three Squadrons in Bahrein and had the orders to defend Bahreinian Airspace if necessary. I've got a Marine Brigade in Granate who are on a combined training/defense mission.

ps. Vineyard, where did you get the Osprey's? You'll have to contact Sharina or the CSA to get them.

And how often has it happened that Warta Endor and Vineyard fought on the same side? :p
Warta Endor
30-08-2006, 16:16
SIC.

The entire 1st. Marine Infantry Division has been send to Granate after the recent threats from Sistan and the continueing agression in the Middle East.

Also 18 Seawolf SSN's have departed fro the Red Sea to encounter the Sistanian fleet there. They will meet with the 2 Seawolves already sent to Eastern Africa to monitor the situation around Madagaskar.
Alif Laam Miim
30-08-2006, 16:23
*cut*

ooc:
Jordan - I'm not saying that it's not going to be easy, but even you admit that they are not organized; just because one particular group surrenders doesn't mean the whole government/military surrenders. And I'd question how much time it takes to run over Jordan and attack Israel.

Syria - Same deal - doesn't matter if they're friendly to you or not, they're still in resistance because of your attacks.

Lebanon - I don't think you understand what I mean - You have to control Jordan and Syria before you can effectively engage campaigns in Lebanon [or Israel]. Quite frankly, you have a large military, but you're seriously overextending yourself by invading all of these other regions, because now all of those territories need a significant [relatively] military presence to continue your occupation of those countries. Imagine the US in Iraq and Afghanistan RL currently. Logistically, they don't have enough power to begin military operations in any other country at the moment [one of the reasons why America isn't sending troops to Lebanon RL, among others...]. You're invading most of the Middle East [and regardless of who you are, invasion will lead to insurgency by the local population, even if they like you, because it happens to everyone [even the Germans in WWII]. Your biggest blunder -personally - is going after every single territory in the Middle East, tying down your forces when they could be elsewhere, making a bigger punch.

Israel - you're burying your own head in numerous other ways.

Bahrain - it isn't me to decide, but you know, indiscriminately bombarding the place with artillery and naval guns doesn't really help you either, because you can't say either. Ever heard of colllateral?

Sudan - I can only imagine what BS this is going to be. His military stats cannot change drastically, in incorporating Ethiopia and all of those other places, because they're practically still being assimilated. Otherwise, I could BS and update my military with the weaponry, industry, and equipment that I've been planning as well. As far as his ORBAT goes, it says army [20,000].

And the airfields are in Egypt, from where the plane make missions over Sudan, to perform reconnaissance, occassional strikes, and et cetera - all part of the Sudan campaign. Besides that, his population is 89mil [best estimate I can get] - mine just barely outnumbers that [95mil]; I'm wondering how much more he can deploy than what his ORBAt says and than what his population can support.

Red Sea - Where's the post? If it's the first post, I'd like to know what airplanes attacked, because this is what is patroling the Red Sea right now:

7 Shanghai II class small patrol boat
5 Yurka class patrol minesweeper
3 Romeo class coastal submarine
1 Jianghu class light patrol frigate
1 Descubierta class light frigate
1 Knox class anti-submarine frigate
post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11535969&postcount=15)

The Port Said Flotilla (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11528110&postcount=174) [I didn't post stats, but they are similar to the Benghazi fleet]

Point being, if your fleet is there, these guys would know it, either in blood or in gore.

Also, seeing as Asherton hasn't posted any updates [as well as Kopparbergs and Arabicia], we should be waiting until they get their stuff up and running. Otherwise, we'll be waiting anyways... This is my last ooc post pertaining to this - anything else will be going straight to the ooc chatter box thread...
Asherton
31-08-2006, 05:33
OOC: Tremendously sorry I couldn't get on, going to university is a tough bitch the first few weeks.

IC:

The First Army rumbled down the highway from the Ethiopian border towards Nasir, awaiting enemy contact as they crept loudly through the night. Hind helicopters patrolled the road out ahead with the recon vehicles. Infantrymen kept semi-low profiles as they moved from cover to cover, expecting enemy contact as sporadic artillery bombardments would spring up during the night.

Along the road to Kassala, the Second Army rolled across the border much like the First Army, but temporarily lacking tanks and only having a few spare Mi-24 Hinds. They proceeded in much the same way as their friends heading towards Nasir, but their progress would be slow until the needed deuce-and-a-half trucks made their way to the front like what had been planned.

The Third Army, in the same shape as its Second Army friends, moved up towards Kassala, but lacked helicopters (but had more priority for air support during their operations).

Along the other major trails and roadways leading into Sudan, mujahadeen patrolled and made raids across the border. Imams across Asherton-controlled territory spread the word of the jihad and had begun distributing AK-47s, RPGs and hand grenades in mosques across the country. With each growing day, more and more sudden conscripts were taking the field under the flag of their faith.

The Fourth Army was scattered around Asherton, helping to pacify areas of continued resistance (which was minimal) and prevent the enemy from utilizing airborne troops in a major role. throughout the countryside.

The pieces were in place and they were on the move.
Sistan
31-08-2006, 11:34
OOC: For those that can't connect the dots, Asherton is sending 300,000 troops into Sudan with each army having the same amount of tanks as my armies (270 each), but with more varried hardware. Probably all T-72s in this case.
Sistan
31-08-2006, 12:07
ooc:
Jordan - I'm not saying that it's not going to be easy, but even you admit that they are not organized; just because one particular group surrenders doesn't mean the whole government/military surrenders. And I'd question how much time it takes to run over Jordan and attack Israel.

Syria - Same deal - doesn't matter if they're friendly to you or not, they're still in resistance because of your attacks.

Lebanon - I don't think you understand what I mean - You have to control Jordan and Syria before you can effectively engage campaigns in Lebanon [or Israel]. Quite frankly, you have a large military, but you're seriously overextending yourself by invading all of these other regions, because now all of those territories need a significant [relatively] military presence to continue your occupation of those countries. Imagine the US in Iraq and Afghanistan RL currently. Logistically, they don't have enough power to begin military operations in any other country at the moment [one of the reasons why America isn't sending troops to Lebanon RL, among others...]. You're invading most of the Middle East [and regardless of who you are, invasion will lead to insurgency by the local population, even if they like you, because it happens to everyone [even the Germans in WWII]. Your biggest blunder -personally - is going after every single territory in the Middle East, tying down your forces when they could be elsewhere, making a bigger punch.

You don't get it. The governments are surrendering and ordering the military and civilians to obey the Sistani forces. Even then, I'm not even stopping within the nations in question. It's basicly an "Officials will be with you shortly, wait here and don't make me turn this car around" kind of situation.

Besides, people in Iraq and Afghanistan don't even like the US in the first place. We have a Jesus fanboy 6,000 miles away in the White House runing around supporting Israel and launching a pair of Crusades. Of course they'd resist. On the other hand, I'm not a foreign power occupying the nations, I'm a local power annexing them and bringing them into my much more economically powerful and free society.


Bahrain - it isn't me to decide, but you know, indiscriminately bombarding the place with artillery and naval guns doesn't really help you either, because you can't say either. Ever heard of colllateral?
Ever hear of rules of engagement?

Sudan - I can only imagine what BS this is going to be. His military stats cannot change drastically, in incorporating Ethiopia and all of those other places, because they're practically still being assimilated. Otherwise, I could BS and update my military with the weaponry, industry, and equipment that I've been planning as well. As far as his ORBAT goes, it says army [20,000].
He hadn't updated since before his nation was established. You have.

And the airfields are in Egypt, from where the plane make missions over Sudan, to perform reconnaissance, occassional strikes, and et cetera - all part of the Sudan campaign. Besides that, his population is 89mil [best estimate I can get] - mine just barely outnumbers that [95mil]; I'm wondering how much more he can deploy than what his ORBAt says and than what his population can support.
I don't think you understand just how impotent your airforce is in Sudan when you're on the defensive and have no local airfields. The maximum range for a fighter on a patrol is usually only about 250 miles with a two hour patrol. You have no way to patrol any of the airspace of Sudan beyond that range for a significant time. The best you can hope for is an intercept mission, but by the time your aircraft get to the battle site they'll be too low on fuel to hang around and fight for long, and even then the aircraft they were sent to deal with or ground forces they were supposed to attack will most probably not be there anymore.

Red Sea - Where's the post? If it's the first post, I'd like to know what airplanes attacked, because this is what is patroling the Red Sea right now:

7 Shanghai II class small patrol boat
5 Yurka class patrol minesweeper
3 Romeo class coastal submarine
1 Jianghu class light patrol frigate
1 Descubierta class light frigate
1 Knox class anti-submarine frigate
post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11535969&postcount=15)

The Port Said Flotilla (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11528110&postcount=174) [I didn't post stats, but they are similar to the Benghazi fleet]

Point being, if your fleet is there, these guys would know it, either in blood or in gore.

Also, seeing as Asherton hasn't posted any updates [as well as Kopparbergs and Arabicia], we should be waiting until they get their stuff up and running. Otherwise, we'll be waiting anyways... This is my last ooc post pertaining to this - anything else will be going straight to the ooc chatter box thread...

Each carrier is carrying 60 aircraft (24 A1K2 Qeshms (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/A1K.html), 12 B1K1 Tigersharks (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/B1K.html), and 24 jets of various make and model. One carrier (CV-01) is equipped with F-14As, CV-02 and CV-03 have F-4Es, CV-04 has a squadron of F-4Es and a squadron of F1I Azarakhshs (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/F1I.html), and CV-05 through CV-10 are packing Azarakhshs as well.

For the raid against your 'fleet', I imagine that you'd be seeing CV-01's entire airgroup, with CVs 03 through 06 providing aircover. CV-02's aircraft would be prepped for an immediate second strike should anything survive the first attack.
Kopparbergs
31-08-2006, 15:11
You don't get it. The governments are surrendering and ordering the military and civilians to obey the Sistani forces. I'm a local power annexing them and bringing them into my much more economically powerful and free society.
OOC: That is anyway a godmod. What if everybody should annex/invade nations with one or two sentences? You have to RP resistance. And I seriously doubt that they'll be glad to be a part of the warmongering nation of Sistan. Especially after you invaded Kuwait with force.

The maximum range for a fighter on a patrol is usually only about 250 miles with a two hour patrol. You have no way to patrol any of the airspace of Sudan beyond that range for a significant time.
OOC Maybe for your aging propeller-planes, but for a modern fighter the range is much longer. My Israeli-made Lavi-fighters has an operational range of 2,100 km (around 1,312 miles). We can fly circles around your planes.

EDIT: The F15-I has a range of 4,450 km (2,781 miles).
This is a text about the F16-I:
The F-16I has an unrefueled combat strike radius well in excess of 500 miles. The extended flight range allows Israeli forces to attack targets well within Iran and Libya without having to refuel. In addition, the cockpit of the F-16I has been expanded to provide for the addition of an onboard weapons officer situated behind the pilot. It has a 820 non-refueling radius of operation.
Military Command
31-08-2006, 17:20
You don't get it. The governments are surrendering and ordering the military and civilians to obey the Sistani forces. Even then, I'm not even stopping within the nations in question. It's basicly an "Officials will be with you shortly, wait here and don't make me turn this car around" kind of situation.

Besides, people in Iraq and Afghanistan don't even like the US in the first place. We have a Jesus fanboy 6,000 miles away in the White House runing around supporting Israel and launching a pair of Crusades. Of course they'd resist. On the other hand, I'm not a foreign power occupying the nations, I'm a local power annexing them and bringing them into my much more economically powerful and free society.


Ever hear of rules of engagement?


He hadn't updated since before his nation was established. You have.


I don't think you understand just how impotent your airforce is in Sudan when you're on the defensive and have no local airfields. The maximum range for a fighter on a patrol is usually only about 250 miles with a two hour patrol. You have no way to patrol any of the airspace of Sudan beyond that range for a significant time. The best you can hope for is an intercept mission, but by the time your aircraft get to the battle site they'll be too low on fuel to hang around and fight for long, and even then the aircraft they were sent to deal with or ground forces they were supposed to attack will most probably not be there anymore.



Each carrier is carrying 60 aircraft (24 A1K2 Qeshms (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/A1K.html), 12 B1K1 Tigersharks (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/B1K.html), and 24 jets of various make and model. One carrier (CV-01) is equipped with F-14As, CV-02 and CV-03 have F-4Es, CV-04 has a squadron of F-4Es and a squadron of F1I Azarakhshs (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/F1I.html), and CV-05 through CV-10 are packing Azarakhshs as well.

For the raid against your 'fleet', I imagine that you'd be seeing CV-01's entire airgroup, with CVs 03 through 06 providing aircover. CV-02's aircraft would be prepped for an immediate second strike should anything survive the first attack.


OOC: Why would you have piston driven propeller aircraft fight in a jet fighter age? I understand that you have some jet fighters but they are not to the same as an F-15 or any newer fighters.
Sistan
31-08-2006, 18:41
OOC: That is anyway a godmod. What if everybody should annex/invade nations with one or two sentences? You have to RP resistance. And I seriously doubt that they'll be glad to be a part of the warmongering nation of Sistan. Especially after you invaded Kuwait with force.

Would you rather I just have the leaders mysteriously die and leave their nations to me in their wills?

OOC Maybe for your aging propeller-planes, but for a modern fighter the range is much longer. My Israeli-made Lavi-fighters has an operational range of 2,100 km (around 1,312 miles). We can fly circles around your planes.

EDIT: The F15-I has a range of 4,450 km (2,781 miles).
This is a text about the F16-I:
The F-16I has an unrefueled combat strike radius well in excess of 500 miles. The extended flight range allows Israeli forces to attack targets well within Iran and Libya without having to refuel. In addition, the cockpit of the F-16I has been expanded to provide for the addition of an onboard weapons officer situated behind the pilot. It has a 820 non-refueling radius of operation.

Are you retarded? That's for a one way drop and go home mission. Not a dogfight, not a patrol, not for close air support, and not for any extended combat. By the way, that '4,450 km range' is one way. As in loaded with nothing with fuel for moving to another base.

As for my 'aging' propeller driven planes, ever hear of the A-1H? My brand new piston driven aircraft are for attack and close air support missions.
Vineyard
31-08-2006, 23:36
ooc. Warta Endor has three Squadrons in Bahrein and had the orders to defend Bahreinian Airspace if necessary. I've got a Marine Brigade in Granate who are on a combined training/defense mission.

ps. Vineyard, where did you get the Osprey's? You'll have to contact Sharina or the CSA to get them.

And how often has it happened that Warta Endor and Vineyard fought on the same side? :p

ooc: I have had Osprey's since... oh god.. Since I started RPing :eek: So honestly, I don't remember...

And yes, it is a rare occasion isn't it! :)

Anyhow, Sistan, TG6R said that you can only freeze time on a war for a short period of time. It has now been approximately a week. That is more than a 'short' time. IF you still wish to ignore that war, however, I am more than willing to dig into the country while you close your eyes, tap your little ruby red slippers, and pretend it isn't there.
Sistan
01-09-2006, 03:18
I already told you. I'll respond to that when the rest of the war advances. You want me to respond to the Northern front, look towards my opponents.
Vineyard
01-09-2006, 06:49
I already told you. I'll respond to that when the rest of the war advances. You want me to respond to the Northern front, look towards my opponents.

Although your excuse is a bit odd, as nothing is prohibiting you from posting about your advance in the north, I do think everyone else should respond to your post.

Lets face it. Sistan is convinced he is right, and you guys are convinced that the opposite is true. SO lets move beyond that fact, as long as for the duration of the war, we can pull a 'Sistan' and cross entire nations in a day... Without resistance... Because clearly, none of the mods want to weigh in and hand down a verdict.
United Earthlings
01-09-2006, 07:13
Although your excuse is a bit odd, as nothing is prohibiting you from posting about your advance in the north, I do think everyone else should respond to your post.

Lets face it. Sistan is convinced he is right, and you guys are convinced that the opposite is true. SO lets move beyond that fact, as long as for the duration of the war, we can pull a 'Sistan' and cross entire nations in a day... Without resistance... Because clearly, none of the mods want to weigh in and hand down a verdict.

Give the mods time, I remember sixth saying he would be absent for a few days or day and that Sharina was in charge until he got back. As, Sharina is not having the best of luck with Jolt, neither of them has probably not seen the replies yet. Send them a TG to let them know.
The Great Sixth Reich
02-09-2006, 04:37
Give the mods time, I remember sixth saying he would be absent for a few days or day and that Sharina was in charge until he got back. As, Sharina is not having the best of luck with Jolt, neither of them has probably not seen the replies yet. Send them a TG to let them know.
Brinkman Isle has offered to serve as a moderator to resolve the conflicts in this war (and I accepted, which means he is). I'm personally too busy until September 4th.
Brinkman Isle
02-09-2006, 06:14
Hahahahah…this is only the beginning.

You have my word that I will try and be as even handed as possible during this and try and keep it to the maximum level of realism. You will most likely hate my decisions but I repeat I am doing this with no bias.

I would like one person each (Alif Laam Miim + Sistan) to organize their arguments and reasoning and send me it via telegram to Brinkman Isle
Granate
02-09-2006, 14:52
Finally a Step in the right direction.
Warta Endor
02-09-2006, 20:49
ooc. yup let's clear up this mess so we can continue RPing.
Vineyard
03-09-2006, 00:09
IC:
-Catania, Sicily-

Gregorio Rino Paolino mused over this new envelope. He had seen it before, one too many times. In it contained his battle orders. Although he had yet to break the seal protecting the secracy of the orders, he knew exactly what they were to be.

Breaking open the envelope, he read it outloud to his aid-de-camps and officers:

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-3ed battlegroup, Itilica-
General Paolino and the 3ed battlegroup are to embark opon the troop carriers of the Imperial navy and are to sail to israel, where you are to disembark and link up with Israli/Kopparsberg forces. Your orders are to be taken directly from their high command for the duration of this war. Any conflicting orders from Zagreb (which will be rarely, if ever sent) are to be followed to the letter, and are to over-ride Kopparsberg's orders if any such conflict exists. The navy has also been instructed to follow suit.

You are to sail ASAP.

-Regent Windsor
----------

General Paolino finished reading it. He looked up. His veteren officers looked less than happy about the orders. Battle was a good friend, true, but never one that was enjoyed.

General Paolino nodded 'We have our orders gentlemen, lets get about it then."

1 day later, the Iperial navy set sail for Israel.



-Territory formerly known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Lake Albert-

Oluwasegun Babajide Nthanda stood on the top of a barge, looking back at the long line of barges struggling to go up the White Nile river. Above, Eurofighters dashed to and fro, keeping a tight pattern above the ships for air surrort, as the fleet was churning through Uganda. Although traveling through Uganda, the government was more than complaicent, due to the reputation the Empire posessed, one that normally... discouraged... forign nations from interfering. Plus, Ugandan troops had spread out along the river banks to provide nominal security, partly because Regent Windsor 'insisted' that they participate. Rumor had it that he even 'offered' to send a column of 50,000 Military Poliece to the Ugandan capital to provide its own form of 'security'. The Ugandan president got the message, and was more than happy to accept to comply to the Regent's demands.

On top of it all,the Ugandan government was rather angry at the Sistan Government for interfering in African Affairs, and for causing instability in the region. After witnessing the Empire's transformation of the Democratic Republic of the Congo into a safe, developed, and economically powerful state, they only saw the Vineyardians as the Saviors of the tropical belt of Africa. And, seeing how the 4th battlegroup's Soldiers were not European, but of African decent, they were more than jovial at the relitive Social Equality the Empire brought to its subjects.
Brinkman Isle
03-09-2006, 00:23
First two rulings concerning this war which will also roll over into Reclamation by Azaha.

1) Because Sistan had not yet officially claimed the Caucuses when Granate began he is allowed and encouraged to continue organized resistance using the nations prior defense force while at the same time trying to establish a government
2) Vineyard will also be allowed to continue resistance however his forces will be much depleted. Because his lands were put into the claim bin he has lost all connection with them, as it is unlikely that a government in which failed the people would be able to instill its laws again. Nevertheless if he wishes to continue resistance it must be in the form of small guerrilla like units or for lack of a better word; terrorist attacks.


Also have not heard anything from Alif yet and until than nothing further can be settled.
Granate
03-09-2006, 00:26
I can dig it.
Vineyard
03-09-2006, 00:31
First two rulings concerning this war which will also roll over into Reclamation by Azaha.

1) Because Sistan had not yet officially claimed the Caucuses when Granate began he is allowed and encouraged to continue organized resistance using the nations prior defense force while at the same time trying to establish a government
2) Vineyard will also be allowed to continue resistance however his forces will be much depleted. Because his lands were put into the claim bin he has lost all connection with them, as it is unlikely that a government in which failed the people would be able to instill its laws again. Nevertheless if he wishes to continue resistance it must be in the form of small guerrilla like units or for lack of a better word; terrorist attacks.


Also have not heard anything from Alif yet and until than nothing further can be settled.

ooc: What do you mean? Continue my resistance?

Do you mean the Empire's intact battle-groups derived from the provences I officially have? Or the dis-organized armies from the old empire resisting in Jordan and Arabia?
Granate
03-09-2006, 00:31
ooc: What do you mean? Continue my resistance?

Do you mean the Empire's intact battle-groups derived from the provences I officially have? Or the dis-organized armies from the old empire resisting in Jordan and Arabia?
I am guessing the Dis-Organized ones in Jordan and so on.
Brinkman Isle
03-09-2006, 00:35
As far as EV is concerned you have no armies in your 'former' claims yet if you wish to RP a resistance than it must be small units which, you can only hope, will tie up troops.

Maybe in the end if Sistan loses and his lands left to claim you can rise but other than that you are done in those territories.
Brinkman Isle
03-09-2006, 00:42
As far as EV is concerned you have no armies in your 'former' claims yet if you wish to RP a resistance than it must be small units which, you can only hope, will tie up troops.

Maybe in the end if Sistan loses and his lands left to claim you can rise but other than that you are done in those territories.
Kopparbergs
03-09-2006, 01:12
Kopparbergs current Military Strength in Israel
ARMY
153,000 ordinary troops
900,000 reserves
1,053,500 TOTAL

MARINES
112,500 ordinary troops
300,000 reserves
412,500 TOTAL

AIR FORCE
92,500 ordinary troops
200,000 reserves
292,500 TOTAL

NAVY
90,000 ordinary troops
100,000 reserves
190,000 TOTAL

TOTAL
452,500 ordinary troops
1,500,000 reserves
1,952,500 TOTAL

In addition to this, there are a several hundred thousand of troops on their way from Algeria to Israel. They're expected to be here in a couple of days.


General Andersson gave the order when everything was ready. 500,000 army troops and 200,000 marines were on their way across the borders to Jordan and Syria.

The first wave was many hundred of jets, both Lavi-fighters as well as F-16's, armed with Python-5 Air-to-Air missiles and Nimrod-missiles (anti-tank and anti-personnel laser homing missile of 26 km range and pinpoint accuracy). The jets priority mission were to shoot down all enemy-planes in sight, and the second priority was to fire Nimrod's at tanks and other equipment on the ground.

After the planes was a wave of Apache-helicopters crossing the borders. The Apache's were armed with both Nimrod-missiles and Spike-ER's (Anti Tank Guided Weapon). Their mission was too to fire missiles at the enemy troops and tanks at the ground.

The third wave was the ground offensive. Many thousand tanks of different kinds, but mostly Merkava's and M60's, as well as the lighter tanks M1/M2/M3 halftracks, crossed the borders. Together with the tanks were both heavy and light artilleries in a variety of tracked, wheeled and towed chassis. Their mission was of course to put out any possible survivors of the enemies.

Hours after the third wave was initialized, the Vineyardian troops were expected to continue in Kopparbergs' footprints, and later regroup somewhere in Jordan or Syria
Kopparbergs
03-09-2006, 01:41
The Red Sea
Five Eilat Class Saar 5 multi-mission corvettes left the base in Eilat, heading south in the Red Sea. Their main armament is the Gabriel Mk 3 Anti-ship missile, with a maximum range of 36 km. Their defense against threats from the sky is the Barak ship-borne anti-missile point-defense missile system, as well as an anti-air/anti-surface gunnery control system. The system is highly effective against anti-ship sea-skimming missiles and aerial threats. Together with the Eilat corvettes, three Dolphin-class submarines left Eilat at the same time. The eight naval vessels had one common mission: Sink every single Sistani vessel, prioritize the freighters that are converted to carriers.

Of course they had support from the sky, in form of fighter-jets (both Lavi's and F-15's). The planes carried their usual luggage: Nimrod missiles and Python-5's.
Vineyard
03-09-2006, 04:46
-Rome, Italy-

Tony sighed and heaved back into his chair. More fucking paperwork. Lets start on the top.

Tony reached up to the consideral pile and took the upper-most folder. He worked at an auto-manufacturing plant, and was responsible for tracking the rawmaterials used to build the vehicules. It was a boring job, but his category 3 status enabled his family to live comfortably, and they were scheduled this year to get a new car stamp, a stamp ssued by the government that allowed the family to procure a new car. A new category 3 car.

He opened the folder. Umbakha, a farming-vehicule factory manager had sent this particular folder in, reporting his annual material consumption. It was higher than authorized. He picked up his pen. He ahd to fill out an investigative query report, authorizing his branch of the government to investigate his factory to ensure that it was up to efficency standards. The phone rang. He ignored it, while hastily filling out the form.

It rang again. Tony scowled as he finished the form and placed it in the finished box. A secratary walking by picked it up, without stoping, and added it to the collection of forms she was already carrying.

Tony picked up yet another folder. One down, 100 to go he said with a disappointed smile. His phone began to ring again. Tony sighed and picked it up.

"All hail the Empire, this is Tony."

"All reservists are to report to their local barracks immediately." An automated voice said calmly. Tony dropped the phone.

What a fool he had been! After TO training, he thought he could be a hero and fight in the army! All those years ago he had applied, only to be shuffled into the reservist category. Now, at the age of 30, he had no wish to go to war, only to stay home with his family.

But of course, he didn't have a choice. His Country needed him. Besides, he had heard about people who tried to run-away from being drawn into the army only to be caught, properly whipped, and locked in jail for a year. And with tight Security at all borders, he didn't see a choice.

He smiled. But it was all for the Empire. Perhaps one day his kids can brag about his exploits, show off his medals, and progress a category due to any prestige he may have gained. All for the good of the empire, he thought.


-All accross the Empire-

Reservists, all 4,080,310 of them trickled into the barracks' scattered accross the empire to recieve a month's refresher training, and then assembled and assigned to an army group. In Tony's case, he was assigned to the 2ed Italian Infantry, 3ed battlegroup. After refresher training, the recruits would be gathered up and sent to the front whenever possible, as long as they passed inspection. Those who didnt pass inspection would recieve another month of refresher training--only 5 times more difficult. So it was preferable to work one's hardest in the initial month, so one wouldn't have to endure a second!
Vineyard
03-09-2006, 04:52
Kopparbergs current Military Strength in Israel
ARMY
153,000 ordinary troops
900,000 reserves
1,053,500 TOTAL

MARINES
112,500 ordinary troops
300,000 reserves
412,500 TOTAL

AIR FORCE
92,500 ordinary troops
200,000 reserves
292,500 TOTAL

NAVY
90,000 ordinary troops
100,000 reserves
190,000 TOTAL

TOTAL
452,500 ordinary troops
1,500,000 reserves
1,952,500 TOTAL

In addition to this, there are a several hundred thousand of troops on their way from Algeria to Israel. They're expected to be here in a couple of days.


General Andersson gave the order when everything was ready. 500,000 army troops and 200,000 marines were on their way across the borders to Jordan and Syria.

The first wave was many hundred of jets, both Lavi-fighters as well as F-16's, armed with Python-5 Air-to-Air missiles and Nimrod-missiles (anti-tank and anti-personnel laser homing missile of 26 km range and pinpoint accuracy). The jets priority mission were to shoot down all enemy-planes in sight, and the second priority was to fire Nimrod's at tanks and other equipment on the ground.

After the planes was a wave of Apache-helicopters crossing the borders. The Apache's were armed with both Nimrod-missiles and Spike-ER's (Anti Tank Guided Weapon). Their mission was too to fire missiles at the enemy troops and tanks at the ground.

The third wave was the ground offensive. Many thousand tanks of different kinds, but mostly Merkava's and M60's, as well as the lighter tanks M1/M2/M3 halftracks, crossed the borders. Together with the tanks were both heavy and light artilleries in a variety of tracked, wheeled and towed chassis. Their mission was of course to put out any possible survivors of the enemies.

Hours after the third wave was initialized, the Vineyardian troops were expected to continue in Kopparbergs' footprints, and later regroup somewhere in Jordan or Syria

ooc: Kopparsberg's force is supplemented by the 3ed battlegroup, which he commands.

3ed Battlegroup Italica - Gregorio Rino Paolino 62,500 Fighting men
9th Italian Infantry - Eustorgio Leopoldo Luigino 20840 Fighting men
10th Italian Infantry - Tore Beniamino Santino 20840 Fighting men
11th Italian Infantry - Emidio Adamo Rico 20840 Fighting men
12th Italian Calvery - Leonzio Antonino Naldo

Calvery Divisions each have:
6750 M-95 Degmans.
3750 B1 Centauro
1000 M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System
1250 PzH 2000


Along with the Imperial navy, ment to carry out figher support and artillary support.

20 Commandante Class Light Combatant Ships
15 Horizon Class Anti-Air Warfare Frigates
10 Artigliere Class Frigates
3 Cavour Aircraft Carriers
Warta Endor
03-09-2006, 22:10
The Seawolves were now near the Red Sea, moving at a speed of 20 knots (Silent Mode) while tracking the Sistanian Fleet. Once inside the range of their Harpoon Missiles they were ordered to fire (40 Harpoon Missiles per Sub, 15 Torpedoes per Sub for close range attack). Primary targets were the "Aircraft Carriers", then the larger vessels etc. Once the missiles were launched the Submarines were ordered to dive to maximum depth and head full speed South-Eastwards into the Indian Ocean.

Hyper Encoded Message from Vala HQ, Singapore, to Kopparbergs Naval HQ, Eilat

Warta Endorean SSN's about to launch strike at Sistanian Red Sea Fleet-s-coördinated strike preferable?-s-respond with haste[END]
Kopparbergs
03-09-2006, 22:17
Encrypted message to The Persian Empire

As we have stated before, withdraw all of your troops from Kuwait and Iraq, and we shall consider ordering our troops and planes to stop at the Iranian border. If you hesitate to reply to this message within 12 hours, or reply with a negative answer, you can consider the calm in Iran as over.

King Carl Gustaf XXI
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

..End of transmission..
Vineyard
04-09-2006, 00:15
Someone coughed.

A small room was filled with 5 or 6 Men, all of them Intellegence Officers, with one man in the center of the room with a small control pannel at his disposal.

"Target acquired?"

"Aye sir."

"On screen."

The Screen in the front of the room flickered a bit, then displayed the streets of Tehran, Iran. Targeted was one of the government ministries (ooc: Sistan's choice in Ministries. It honestly doesn't matter.). The Image, projected from a satilite used as a missle coordination satilite, was one of a couple dozen satilites still operational from the old Empire.

"Open the silo."

"Opening silo."

Somethere in Bosnia, a small rocky hill suddenly opened up to reveal an ICBM in its depths.

"Range to target: approximately 2,500 miles."

The officers in the room didn't move.

"Missle ready sir. Shall I fire?"

"Do it!" An officer said, a bit too loudly. He regained his composure and began to watch the screen intently.

The man threw a red switch. In Bosnia, the missle took flight, leaving a pillar of white smoke in its wake.

"60 minutes to target sir."

"Very well." An officer said. Another officer leaned into the officer who just spoke.

"This isn't a nuke, is it...?"

"Nonsence, we dont want toe world to turn against us. No, this one is not a nuclear missle. Its just designed to level a block or so."

"The collateral will be enormous!"

"It will get the message accross. Remember, we want Sistan to sue for peace under our terms. We just want to scare him, let him know that we can launch a nuke at his capital if we damn felt like it. This should also demorialize his govermnet. If Tehran is not safe, what is?"

"What is the range on our missles?"

"6,000 miles officially. We have auctually seen them go much further, + a few hundred miles or so."

"Very well."

-SIC-
-Telegram to all Nations in the fight against Sistan-

Greetings!
We have taken notice that we are one of the few if not the only nation with military , spy, even civilian satilites in operation today. As such, we are offering to send you each one of our Military Liason officers to coordinate our satilite network with your militaries, for advanced warning, spy, and missle strike operations. As you are all about to see, our missle range can easily hit all of Iran, even Tehran.

Let us know.

-Regent Windsor.

ooc: Ill let Sistan RP what happens to the missle. Anything else would be god-moding.
Brinkman Isle
04-09-2006, 06:30
Jordan – Vineyard can RP resistance in the form of small guerilla units however when it comes down to it, unless met with RSA resistance Sistan has the final say in what happens (because Vineyard no longer has control he cannot RP the official armed forces) However, it will take more than a paragraph post…a lot more, especially with everything else going on at the moment. Furthermore I highly doubt a nation invaded would in turn aid in invading another country.

The same goes for: Syria and Jordan save Vineyard resistance.

Bahrain – Alif Laam Miim must be allowed to RP a defense.

Vineyard – This is a tricky situation, seeing as how it hasn’t been a very long time since he re-joined yet enough to build a slighter larger force. Still I believe, for the time being, his forces should be small if any since he would need to rebuild or better yet re-buy.

Asherton’s Orbat – Cannot be drastically changed from when it started. These countries have been recently ceded and for that reason have more important matters to be addressed than increasing one’s military. If changed please let me know the number of troops increased.

When posting remember you must leave everything up to the other person. You must RP build-up; take off, contact, etc.

When moving through a country an occupational force must be left and the number must be taken out of your combat Orbat. That’s what auxiliary forces are for.

Remember the ratio’s involved with military. There are numerous posts with 300,000 troops and so forth so I ask are they all combat soldiers in which case the actual number of troops would be very large and might eventually lead to the amount being over the % max.

Finally, remember your budget. I would like someone to RP the cost of this war as there are many fronts.

Also any units entering or that HAS entered the Red Sea + Persian must first wait for a reply from the opposing party as they are sure to have defensive systems in place. This goes for all units foreign or domestic that has deployed naval units during this conflict.
Vineyard
04-09-2006, 07:09
Jordan – Vineyard can RP resistance in the form of small guerilla units however when it comes down to it, unless met with RSA resistance Sistan has the final say in what happens (because Vineyard no longer has control he cannot RP the official armed forces) However, it will take more than a paragraph post…a lot more, especially with everything else going on at the moment. Furthermore I highly doubt a nation invaded would in turn aid in invading another country.

The same goes for: Syria and Jordan save Vineyard resistance.

Bahrain – Alif Laam Miim must be allowed to RP a defense.

Vineyard – This is a tricky situation, seeing as how it hasn’t been a very long time since he re-joined yet enough to build a slighter larger force. Still I believe, for the time being, his forces should be small if any since he would need to rebuild or better yet re-buy.



ooc: Begging your pardon. But the next time Sistan sends you a telegram complaining about my current army, allow me to plead my case, instead of hearing from one side of the story and constructing an opinion from that lone side. I know this because your commends regarding my current force mirror those Sistan discussed with me in AIM. Not only this, but TG6R pointed out that I never really left.

The Vineyardian Empire dissolved into 4 basic parts. Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and the Imperial guard. Europe, Africa, and the Middle East each dissolved into regional governments with a loose central government, basically allowing each state free reign over its own policy. The Imperial guard on the other-hand still occupied many of the bases in the homeland and essentially took over the balkan states. Now, from my stand-point, the armies of Europe (Baring the Spainish army) along with part of the African Army were re-united by Regent Windsor. Plus, seeing how all of the in-fighting took place in the middle-east, my forces are mostly intact in those areas, leaving me with already-trained (mostly) veteren forces. Only the 4th battlegroup (Africa) has yet to see combat in a war.

Sistan: Your officer corp would've sold off all your weaponry.

Wrong. 2 things. First off, the officers are highly loyal to the idea of a greater state. Each officer goes through a propogation period, and their loyalty is tested to the extreem before deployment. They are in essence, the radicals of the Empire. The 2ed part hinges on the fact that no one RPed buying any weapons from my forces. Ever. So, if there are no buyers, selling a product would be impossible, even if an officer had the nerve to do so.

Just let me know what else he included in his argument. I rebuked all his quipps about my military earlier, and I can do so again.
Alif Laam Miim
04-09-2006, 16:36
[ooc: good god, how did this get so far out? FYI, I've been busy this weekend, with a volunteer at the local parks and rec crew, schooling little ones on how to play football [soccer, for the American oriented folk]. And I've got school once more and work as well. I guess I'm following Asherton's role, but I should be more active once I find a more definite schedule to follow that optimizes my time on all of these rps and all... so I will post the results from Sistan's initial attack - way back a while ago, since he has told me what's attacking my crew in the Red Sea. After that, I'll figure out the rest of what's going on in the Sudan...but I won't guarantee that it'll be today...]
Kopparbergs
04-09-2006, 18:32
Remember the ratio’s involved with military. There are numerous posts with 300,000 troops and so forth so I ask are they all combat soldiers in which case the actual number of troops would be very large and might eventually lead to the amount being over the % max.
OOC: I'll answer for my troops, and I'm including logistics in my numbers. I'm using this ratios (to be found in my military declaration):

Army: 60% logistics
Marines: 80% logistics
Air Force: 85% logistics
Sea Corps (Navy): 75% logistics
Sayeret Matkal (Special Elite Force):60% logistics

IE: If I'm sending in 300,000 army troops, there will be 120,000 actual troops and 180,000 logistics personnel.
Granate
04-09-2006, 18:36
OOC: For mine it's 1 Combat for every 3 logistics Soldier.
Navy it 1 in 6
Marines 1 in 5
Air-Force 1 in 10
Alif Laam Miim
04-09-2006, 21:03
IC [A time before the current, as Sistan's navy assumedly prepared to assault the Red Sea with their navy]:

The Flotilla had been making a regular tour in the area, on a return voyage from patrolling the Yemeni west coast, 50 km from As Saif. About twenty minutes on the return voyage, heading to Port Sudan, for a simple resupply before returning to Suez. A warning indicator started to blink on the radar screen. The captain inquired at the station and learned that a massive swarm of aircraft were approaching. Given the disposition and official warnings from the Ministry of Defense, the captain made a logical assumption to say that the aircraft were hostile and likely to target their vessels. He instructed the ship commanders to report and assume battle positions. He received further intel that the swarm would be within striking distance in 65 seconds, where the planes could drop torpedoes and fire missiles at the fleet. Given the disposition of the ships in the middle of the sea, he knew that the ALM Air Force would not reach their position in time to battle the hostile attack. Nonetheless, he cabled a warning to the Emirate, that hostile aircraft were patrolling the waters of the Red Sea and bring in more support.

At the conclusion of this of this cable, the attack began, with not even half of the air defense crews at their stations. Those stations that were present began fire upon the aircraft, after having received several missile and torpedo attacks. The initial wave was staggering - 15 vessels attacked, and 7 were sinking. He issued an order to all vessels to maintain air defense crews and prepared the submarine flotilla to guard the rear as the main fleet began to withdraw straight west to the Sudanese coast. He also issued orders back to Command, stating that Sistani aircraft had begun attacking the flotilla and had already sunk 7 ships, for which he requested naval aircraft to recover as many sailors as possible as soon as the skirmish ended.

The second wave struck to less effect, as the nearly all air defense posts had been armed - of those that were minimally operable. 2 more ships joined those that were sinking. The plane technology seemingly decreased and their targets were more easy to pick out. In addition, they were slower and it was quite apparent that some of the aircraft had problems in their manufacture, considering the relatively short period of their manufacture, equippage, and installation. But simply because the planes became less effective and less advanced, it did not diminish their overall attack capability, as their numbers annd surprised managed to control the attack for the entire period until the last planes departed to return from whatever haven they had come.

Final toll of vessels patrolling the Red Sea attacked:

11 vessels sunk [among these 1 Jianghu frigate]
7 vessels damaged beyond repair [among these 1 Knox frigate]
4 vessels damaged
Kopparbergs
05-09-2006, 06:46
OOC:

IMPORTANT

I've made a new thread where we can keep the OOC-comments and moderations:

OOC-thread: The Red Sea War [Earth V] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498531)

From now on, make only IC-posts in this thread.
Dweladelfia prime
05-09-2006, 22:08
Aboard the DPS- Ricardo

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/mig29/mig29k_02.jpg
MiG-29K on the Carrier Runway

Aboard the Ricardo MiG-29Ks were being strapped to the catapults and launched. There mission was to scout ahead of the Carrier battle group. The Dweladelfian Fleet has stationed itself south of the Arabian pen. The battle group is on a course to the meditranion and Kopparbergs.

Message to Kopparbergs

Dweladelfian Prime hasn’t sent troops for the defense of your nation. We would like permission to enter you waters and drop off troops.