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I was wondering if there was any interest in a Military Equipment Expo, for various nations/storefronts to highlight their new equipment, and hopefully gain a higher exposure for them. Depending on interest it could be RL monthly/bi-monthly/weekly, and would involve nations submitting their designs to be voted on for the best in each various category, and then best and worst of the show. Initial categories might include:

1. Army - Saint Fedski
1a. Battle Vehicles
1b. Long Range
1c. Support

2. Naval -
2a. Main Ships
2b. Support
2c. Submarines

3. Airforce - Illior
3a. Fighters
3b. Bombers
3c. Support

4. Equipment -
4a. Weapons
4b. Armour
4c. Other

5. Technology - Phoenixius


So, what do you, as the II population, think of this idea? Has it any legs, or is it to die in the bud?

I like the idea, but I think it will get spammed to hell by the advertisements.

I thought something like that might happen, so I was thinking of getting people to post their items, and I would then add a link in the first post to each of the entries for each category. This would then allow people to view each specific entry, and avoid all the unneccessary OOC stuff thats bound to crop up.

I like the idea, but I think it will get spammed to hell by the advertisements.

Same sadly.

I think it'd be good, but there is concern over the spam, but I think it could be worked around. Although a monthly event might be best, as it gives time for designers to come up with enough designs to hold a contest.

I think it'd be good, but there is concern over the spam, but I think it could be worked around. Although a monthly event might be best, as it gives time for designers to come up with enough designs to hold a contest.

At any event it would promote ORIGINAL technology hopefully. And to win it will have to be well-done and detailed. A rarity in the NS world.

I'd be interested, although I'm mostly a small/bio/chemical arms person myself. Thus, few planes, tanks, rockets, etc. Still, sounds like fun, if it goes through, count me in.

Eraclea']At any event it would promote ORIGINAL technology hopefully. And to win it will have to be well-done and detailed. A rarity in the NS world.

I don't know, there are quite a bit of really good designers out there that make anything I've done look like crap.

Hmm, well as for unique and original ideas, I was planning on having everyone vote for their favourite choice for each category, and for the best/worst of the show. As for advertisement spamming, other than nations posting their designs for inclusion, what else could they spam with that wouldn't be a part of the 'show'?

You should put it in multiple tech levels

I don't know, there are quite a bit of really good designers out there that make anything I've done look like crap.

With Sarzonia semi-gone, NS has one less good designer and few FT nations use their own tech. Most just copy the 5 major works.

I don't know, there are quite a bit of really good designers out there that make anything I've done look like crap.
Like me ;) anyways, I find it a good Idea, although we'll need some way to limit the amount of stuff from each storefront so it isn't insanely cluttered, I'd say maybe 4 Things per storefront per Section

I'd be willing to showcase some stuff.

Same here. :)

Ok, with the multiple tech levels, I thought it would be better for MT initially as there are a lot more unique designs than for the other tech levels, PMT possibly excluded, as stated before because most FT uses pre-established works. As for limiting, I was thinking about a maximum of around 13 total for the first showcase, and allowing anything from anyones storefront, and then from then onwards people can show off their designs that have been created since the last expo. That way, unless people design hundreds of pieces of equipment inbetween shows, there will not be that much saturation. This will have the added benifit that people cannot resubmit their old, winning designs without modifications to the design that would make it new, and fresh.

Anyway, its good to see there is interest in this, so it might just happen.

Phoenixius, why not start an IC thread for a Military Expo hosted by your nation. All international companies would be invited to display what they feel are their best pieces of equipment. Each company would 'announce' what they intend to show off, people would then RP their 'team' arriving, interacting with the other teams while the host, you, kept things flowing by making announcements, or introducing something. Each team would then have a chance to RP a small demonstration of their weapon or technology while the other nations made IC comments among themselves or each other.

The only real advertising I could see happening would be 'Big Guns Gun Company (link to storefront)' of 'Super OMG Nation' presents the 'RRBG - Really, Really, Big Gun(link to post)' Then does provides a write up, either in the form of a pamphlet (to be handed out or picked up by the other visitors), a brochure, small display sign or a video.

Each nation or company could have their own little koisk or tent or something.

Maybe it could be an international expo in which a couple nations host a category? For example, Phoenixius could hold the aviation while SF held the naval and Aequatio the land.

Sorry, just some thoughts because I'm totally interested either way.

Well, that was roughly the plan, though you have some ideas I didn't think of. I'll see how many more replies I get, and I might start it on the weekend and hope it all goes well.

Hm.... I have to admit this is actually a pretty good idea. I would be interested in joining it if I was allowed to. :)

Hrm... I think the wway to do this would be to have 3 or 4 organizers who get links of people's products sent to them, and they then get combined and posted by one person to avoid clutter... or we could start a forum somewhat like the draftroom where anyone who wants to show off their work can come and post links to the designs, and are then combined into one or 2 posts and then posted on II... It'd be easy to keep track of stuff that way....

If you want, I can make a forum for this.

If you want, I can make a forum for this.
Lol... I was gonna do it if people liked it, but w/e...

I think Phoenixius had more of a live show in mind as opposed to an 'active museum'

Live show - Something like an air show or car show.

'Active Museum' - Constantly changing displays, attractions and features.

Testing out military equipment live..wow... that screams dangerous. o.o

Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476754)
Vehicles:
HT-101 IFV
HT-101E8 Light tank
HT-106 Heavy battle tank

Infantry equipment:
Small arms:
CM-26
An remake of the CM-16 to a better caliber, while retaining the lines and simple production of the CM-16.

The CM-16 was a "workmanlike" M-16 design, with only 2 rifled groves on an add on muzzle attachment, otherwise it is a smoothbore.
The threading for the muzzle attachment also allows barrels to be "stacked" on top of each other, this coupled with a full or magnum power cartridge allows the user to become a designated marksman.

CCZ-75
PROHT dug up the Czechnian CZ-75 Fully automatic pistol, and made the usual "improvements", thus making it into a break down full auto carbine for covert operations.

Fires the old 9 mm round though...

Aircraft:
Stealth CAS:
FMX-6 Or F/A-6 depending on which nation uses them
A venerable design, first saw action on New Roanoke Island, but was traunced by lack of pilot training and design flaws in Alidor.

An improved model was developed and then tested in New Roanoke again, ad then saw promising service in Chitzeland, managing to carry out their strike successfully against 10:1 fighter opposition, of the 5 sent, 3 managed to land safely, and another pilot went MIA, another KIA by Parthian cannon fire.

Proving that the Parthians failed to get a missile lock onto these planes, as all damage was caused by multiple large caliber cannon fire.

In new Roanoke it demonstrated unique low level slow flying qualities unmatched in anything short of a helicopter. It even managed to snatch 2 stranded diplomats from a rebel uprising without landing or using special equipment, it just, hovered...

Light airborne CAS:
UL-2000
A very unique plane for the infantry, it is flown in during parachute strikes by glider and used by airborne forces as organic long range heavy artillery.

It is essentially an ultralight pusher airplane armed with heavy machine guns, grenades and light bombs, it may carry one or two passengers.

Infantry UAV:
MMP-1
Generally used for counter artillery operations and recon for local artillery units.
Carries either 3 hand grenades, or an anti tank warhead (delayed action RPG-7 shell or air dropped [guided?] submunition)

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*looks around*

Where is the IC version of this thread?

Well I had thought of an external forum, but I figured that hosting it here would get more attention than trying to get people to go to another forum and create a new account. I like the idea of a few other organisers, may be one each for the seperate categories. Putting all the entries into the one post after being sent them is a nice idea - maybe I'll do that.

Hurtful Thoughts, this hasn't exactly started yet - I'm still seeing if there is much interest out there for this. As there seems to be, I'll possibly start it up by the weekend, and get the invitations out to the storefronts.

I think I'll see if there are 3 of you who want to help out, and you'll each get a section to look after. I'll take the Technology section and place it in the first post, along with all the relevant information about entering etc, and the other organisers post afterwards with their sections. Then each can update with new items as they recieve them by TG or whatever. If you like the sound of that, send me a TG with your request for the job, and your preference of category and I'll see what I can do.

I'll take aircraft... but how do you want it set up?

Well initially my plan was to have each section and category highlighted etc, and each entry was to be a hot link under that category. However if we are going to post each item in our own category, just make sure there is a distinction between entries and category headings. As for when to post, I'll put a link to it in the first post when its up, and each person just posts their section, and adjusts the numbers so that they match up (ie Tech will be #1, and if you go second, Aircraft will be #2). Before it gets started I'll post in the various storefronts with a list of the categories, and which nation to TG the information to. I'll ask them to TG complete details so that we don't have to search for them, and if they don't send deatils, then they don't get it in.

Triple post, ouch... and Ok then... I still want aircraft...

Aw.... I wanted aircrafts.... I CHALLENGE THY TO A DUEL!

*Pulls unsheaths his sword "Vengence"*

*Draws a Deagle and shoots SU till he's dead*
Now, where were we

Settle down you two. ANyway, that still leaves us with people for the Army, Naval and Equipment sections. Anyone up for those?

Oh, and I think I'll limit storefronts to 10 items max for at least this first show, how does that sound?

Ok, Illior has Aircraft and Saint Fedski has Army - see first post. Any other takers for Naval and Equipment?

Oh, and I think I'll limit storefronts to 10 items max for at least this first show, how does that sound?

Ten items as in 10/category or ten total? If it's ten total, then maybe a 5/category limit could be included?

10 total. Making it 5/category sounds like a good measure to take, so that'll go in too then. If anyone else wants to an organiser, then feel free to ask - if no-one wants the others, I'll take the slack as well as Saint Fedski and Illior if they want to. I'll probably start it late Friday early Saturday (West Australian time = GMT+8hrs).

I find the terms acceptable.

P.S. I sent youa lengthy TG.

May I claim Navy?

Since I don't do too much development on boats I'd be the perfect non-spammer...

I'll take unique designs and my pick for the best overall.

I won't bother looking at price tags (cringes).

Any FT allowed?

OOC: What other categories are left? Also exactly what do the organisers of each category do precisely?

ICCD just finished develpment of it's Generation 4 (Make IF) (g4) exoskin body armour Tungsten Disulfide (WS2) replacing its NANOcarbon element in the G3. It looks forward to showcasing it's new armour with ornamentation, arm to torso webbing. Movement locks, and added inner soft lining. To stop attack tangents where past armour protection was lacking. The communications helm also has in addition to it's audio feed link, a video feed link for playback of videos stored on the prism palm. ICCD is interested in showcasing the G1, G2 as well as the low production G3 that is being discontinued. The G2 is the common service armour (mostly vectran and composite) while the G1 is the common paramilitary export model. ICCD is now offering the G2 model for foreign export.

ICCD is also starting a new training program coded ANCIENT reintroducing shielidng such as seen by riot poice but also large arching sheilds for field combat or moveable cover sheilds, made from the IF tungsten disulfide. In addition to reintroduction of sheilds it is also introducing a new line of melee combat weapons that are able to cut through many dated body armours. Where a bullet will not do, perhaps hacking and slashing close combat will. There is also a demonstration available. ICCD in its urban combat series will also be taking applicate from foreign territories to participate in Gladitorial combat.. that will be televised in ICCD and any carrying countries.

ICCD also has a hold of declassified UAV's to showcase especially their now mass proiferated Supernova Interceptor produced by XNOVAtech, the third member of the SStar Flight Systems Branch, and the first NON full stealth aircraft of the family designed for mass defense roles for usuage by ranks as low as the Imperial Gaurd where cleared and as a intial combat flight trainer. The first wholey native fighter aircraft in the Dian Airforce.

ICCD is very interested in a showcase.. as we don't often outright sell our technologies and they arn't necesarily suitable for an export market but we'd still like to show our declassified materials.

Saint Fedski, I've replied.

Hurtful Thoughts, sure you can have the Navy section, I'll add it to the list.

[NS]Eraclea, sorry, but for this first one I'm afraid not. If this gets a lot of interest when it goes live, then I'll make the second one open to FT.

Space Union, I believe that only Equipment is left now, unless you want Technology, and then I can swap with you. As for what they do, you'll recieve TG's from nations with hopefully the full details of their entries (any entries that just give say, the name and price should be discarded), and then once the IC thread is up, you'll add a post to the thread, hopefully with only the other organisers posts above yours, and write up each entry in the relevant section for your categories. ie you get 2 entries for Fighters, so you put the heading Aircraft, then the next line is Fighters, then after that you place each entry, and then the next category Bombers. Hope that explains it.

[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei, thats alright, this show isn't a guarantee of sales or aknowledgement of sales, this is jsut to show off your best equipment. If people then ask to buy your stuff in your storefront or TG or whatever, thats up to you how you deal with it - this is just for show, and to get coverage for your stuff.


Now that everyone has something (or categories have people, provided SU wants Equipment) I'll begin posting the advertisements in storefronts. If any of the organisers have a storefront, post the link and I'll add it to the proper IC thread as sponsors - even more publicity. (Illior I already have your storefront linked up)

Hm.... Could I have technology if your willing to swap? I'm not all that good at equipment (if your talking about like infantry stuff) so technology would be much easier.

Ok, that then means that I can show you what I would like the categories to look like. I'll begin the advertisement soon then.

Ok, that then means that I can show you what I would like the categories to look like. I'll begin the advertisement soon then.

Alrighty I can do MT ones. :) Mostly vehicles and weaponry. Those are my specialities. :) Can I put those in?

?? That last was to SU. I'm afraid that all the organisation spots are now taken. I'm setting up an external forum to gather all the entries and winners once the show finishes. Its still being made, and I'll post the link when the IC thread goes up. ANyway, the advertisements are going up, and I've put a link to each of the organisers nation pages for ease of TGing. It should work anyway...here goes.

*presses SEND button repeatedly*

Ok, still working on the forum, but if you guys go to MEE (http://z6.invisionfree.com/Phoenixius_Empire/index.php?act=SC&c=2) and register, I'll make you mods for the MEE section.

OOC: You made a reply in 'Universal Exports' and technically speaking, UE will not appear in any international expo, especially an arms one, seeing as I'd be fingered as a terrorist.

If you want I can RP every single Leafanistani Arms company and they are promoting their original designs, a bunch of them are on my storefront.

Unless the entire expo is OOC.

Phoenixius, am I in? For MT military stuff?

Leafanistan, the expo is IC, and if you want as I've posted in your storefront, you can act as a black arms dealer yourself, with no ties to the government if you wish. However if that is too much for you, you can act as the various arms manufacturers that have stuff in your UE buisness.

[NS]Eraclea, do you mean as an organiser? If so, then I'm afraid not, as there is already the full complement of organisers. However if you meant to join in and enter designs then everyone can. If you wanted to be an organiser, then I might be able to find you a position as a secretary or something, but give me a day or so in that case to work something out.

Okay, I registered up on your forum. Also if you want a link to my storefront, its in my signature (Space Union Defence Industries). It also sells stuff by Skibereen's EAIS. :)

Yep, I've already found the link and go it in. I'll make you a mod - hang on a sec.

PROHT and I are in too...

All done, just need Saint Fedski to sign up and we're all there. Enjoy your new mod powers.

TO: The Host of the Military Equipment Expo
FROM: Big Mike

Timber Wolf Inc. will place it’s best firearms. The Burning Fox pistol, the Super Emperor revolver, the Victor Enforcer shotgun, the Metal Griffin assault rifle, the God heavy machine gun and the Demon Breaker anti-air missile launcher. These are the ones that will entered.

The Burning Fox pistol

Picture: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/BurnFox.jpg

This pistol comes standard with a laser sight. A good pistol to be used by police forces, regular soldiers, or special ops solders. A silencer can be placed on the pistol.

Weight:[ With magazine, unloaded: 1.90 pounds
Length: 8.58 inches
Barrel length: 5.08 inches
Cartridge: 18 rounds (9 mm Luger)
16 rounds (.357, .40 S&W)
12 rounds (.45 ACP)
Sights: "3-dot" type

The Super Emperor revolver

Picture: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/SuperEmperor.jpg

This massive double-action revolver comes standard with laser sight, recoil compensators and gas venting , and a 4x Optical Sight. It has regained popularity in the last year because of it's massive caliber.

Weight: 2.50 pounds
Length: 9.88 inches
Barrel length: 6.38 inches
Cartridge: The Super Emperor is also available in variants chambered in .44 Special, .45 Colt, .44 Magnum, .50 Action Express and the heavy .454, but no one seems to care. Carries six rounds.
Sights: 4x Optical Sight

The Victor Enforcer shotgun

Picture: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/VictorEnforcer.jpg

A shotgun making itself look like an assault rifle. A shot gun that could scary a normal looking shotgun away. Just playing, shotgun have no feelings. This shotgun will for the soldiers that guard buildings that have small short hallways, where an assault rifle is not good to use. Plus, it looks like you are carrying an assault rifle.

Type: Selective semi-auto (Gas operated, rotating bolt)
Gauge: 12
Chamber: 70mm (2 1/2").
Barrel length: 550 mm
Overall length: 1100 mm
Weight: 4.2 kg empty
Magazine: 8 rounds detachable box
Sight: Red dot

The Metal Griffin assault rifle

Picture: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/MetalGriffin.jpg

Timber Wolf Inc.’s top assault rifle. Has a built-in red dot type scope. The Metal Griffin is the lightest assault rifle (empty) made by TWI. Has both semi-auto and full-auto.

Caliber: 5.56mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 720 mm
Barrel length: 460 mm
Weight: 2.8 kg empty, 3.63 kg with loaded 30 rounds magazine & sling
Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 rounds standard
Rate of fire: 750 - 900 rounds per minute

The God heavy machine gun

Picture: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/God.jpg

This machine gun needs to be mounted on a five ton truck or on a naval ship. No human could carry this massive gun into battle. A number choice for somebody that want the duel power of a .50 caliber machine gun. Can be used as anti-air, anti-armor or if you want to get nasty, use it against enemy soldiers. The design of this machine gun has been for over 50 years, dating back to World War II.

Type: Fully-automatic machine gun
Caliber: .50 in (12.7 mm)
Ammunition: .50 BMG
Feed system: Belt-fed
Action: Recoil-operated; short recoil
Length: 1,650 mm (65 in)
Barrel length: 1,140 mm (44 7/8 in)
Weight: 88 kg (58 kg w/ tripod)
Rate of fire: 550 round/min
Muzzle velocity: 3,050 ft/s (930 m/s)
Effective range: 2,000 m (2200 yards)

The Demon Breaker anti-air missile launcher

Picture: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/DemonBreaker.jpg

The best anti-air missile launcher that Timber Wolf Inc. has to offer. To provide close-in, surface-to-air weapons for the defense of forward combat areas. Need two soldiers to crew it.

Length: 5 feet (1.5 meters)
Width: 5.5 inches (13.96 centimeters)
Weight: 12.5 pounds (5.68 kilograms)
Weight fully armed: 34.5 pounds (15.66 kg)
Maximum system span: 3.6 inches (9.14 cm)
Range: 1 to 8 kilometers
Guidance system: Fire-and-forget passive infrared seeker

Leafanistan, the expo is IC, and if you want as I've posted in your storefront, you can act as a black arms dealer yourself, with no ties to the government if you wish. However if that is too much for you, you can act as the various arms manufacturers that have stuff in your UE buisness.

[NS]Eraclea, do you mean as an organiser? If so, then I'm afraid not, as there is already the full complement of organisers. However if you meant to join in and enter designs then everyone can. If you wanted to be an organiser, then I might be able to find you a position as a secretary or something, but give me a day or so in that case to work something out.

Alright, I wanted to enter designs. :D

Ok, you just need to TG the right guys.

I can come as the various different arms industries in Leafanistan.

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