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OOC discussion of http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11538700#post11538700

Felucan forces deployed:

9th Marine Division
13th Marine Division

7th Mechanized Infantry Division
51st Mechanized Infantry Division

10th Heavy Arty Batt
12th Heavy Arty Batt
13th Heavy Arty Batt
19th Heavy Arty Batt

6th Light Arty Batt
7th Light Arty Batt
22nd Light Arty Batt
23rd Light Arty Batt

76th Air Defense Batt
74th Air Defense Batt
80th Air Defense Batt.

25th Fighter Wing (F-1 Hawk)
2nd Interceptor Wing (F-2 Peregrine)
310th Attack Regiment (A-1 Alpha)

Map for reference that isn't image leeching.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3561/facts1maf20of20balidj1.jpg

Possible Deployment, subject to change.

1st Private Fleet
Rear Admiral Chang

1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier
-48 F/A-18 Hornets
-four E-2C AEW
-four E-A6B SEAD/EW
-eight S-3B
-two ES-3A
-six UH-60
2 Oddly configured Venturas-class Amphibious Assualt Ships
1 Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer
5 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
2 Los Angeles class attack submarines
1 Supply class fast combat support ship

2nd Private Fleet
Rear Admiral Dangleman

1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier
-48 F/A-18 Hornets
-four E-2C AEW
-four E-A6B SEAD/EW
-eight S-3B
-two Es-3A
-six H-60
2 Very large ECM/EW ships
1 Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer
5 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
2 Los Angeles class attack submarines
1 Supply class fast combat support ship

3rd Private Fleet
Vice Admiral Sharpe

1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier
-48 F/A-18 Hornets
-four E-2C AEW
-four E-A6B SEAD/EW
-eight S-3B
-two Es-3A
-six H-60
2 Ballista class Dreadnaughts
10 Jiangwei I class Frigates
2 Los Angeles class attack submarines
1 Supply class fast combat support ship
10 Hogg-class fast combat support ships

4th Private Landing Fleet
Lt. General Stevenson

2 Iowa class Battleships
-4 Ka-25 Horomone-A Antisub Helicopters
4 Krivak class ASW Frigates
3 Slim-class Cargo Ships retrofitted with BM-21 launchers
2 Iwo Jima Helicopter Carriers
-10 Mil-35 Hind-D Helicopters
-10 Ka-25 Horomone-A Helicopters
-30 Mil-17 Hip-H Helicopters
2 Enterprise-class Carriers
-80 Yak-9UL Ground Attack Planes
-10 Ka-25 Horomone-A Helicopters
-10 Mil-35 Hind-D Helicopters
-80 Mil-17 Hip-H Helicopters
5 Whidbey Island class dock landing ship
-20 Hovercrafts
-78 M1A2 Tanks
-130 LAVs
-233 AAVs
-345 122mm Howisters
-3000 HMMWV (1200 .50 cal, 800 Dragon ATM, 1000 TOW)
-3000 5-Ton Trucks (1 7.62mm gun mounted in front window, 3 7.62mm guns mounted left, right and back)
-30 Avengers
-320 BM-21 Grad
-25 BM-86 'Dusk'
9850 Mercenary Marines in total (Infantry and Mounted)

Trooper:
-1 AK-104, 1 underbarrel grenade launcher, 3 grenades, 1 Marakov Pistol
Rocket Trooper:
-1 Type 05 5.8mm SMG, 1 RPG-7V, 2 AT, 1 FAE, 1 AP, 1 Marakov Pistol
Anti-tank Trooper:
-1 Type 05 5.8mm SMG, 1 Javelin, 1 Marakov Pistol
Anti-Air Trooper:
-1 Type 05 5.8mm SMG, 1 Stinger, 1 Marakov Pistol
Heavy Trooper:
-1 RPK, 3 Grenades, 1 FMK SMG
Designated Marksman:
-1 SVD, 1 silenced Marakov Pistol, 2 grenades, 1 pink smoke grenade with M79 launcher
Grenadier:
-1 RG-6 40mm Grenade Launcher, 1 FMK SMG, 3 40mm pink smoke grenade
Officier:
-1 AEK-971 with underbarrel grenade launcher, 3 grenades, QSZ-92 pistol

They'll be in Anti-Air Squads, Assault Squads, Anti-Tank Squads, etc.

OOC: First off, Leafanistan: by strategic missiles, I think you mean short ranged ballistic missiles?

Second off, Xenos: Do you object to the usage of tungsten rod sattelites? To give you an overview, Tungsten is a very tough material and is suspected to be in use in tank armor, a tungsten rod sattelite strike(AKA: Rods-From-God) is basicilly a 6-30 foot rod of tungsten dropped from Low Earth Orbit. Very good bunker-busting and cratering weapons, they may, however, make things WAY to easy for the attacking side... as would my Falling Star program, but I am reviewing the feasability of that.

Anyways, forces deploying:

3rd Battlegroup
1 RAVEN Class Superdreadnough
1 TSUNAMIS Class Carrier
5 G(un)-Class Battleships
5 M(issile)-Class Battleships
2 BAT Class Advanced AEGIS Class Cruisers
12 TIDAL WAVE Class Advanced AEGIS Destroyers
24 MOCKINGBIRD Class Frigates
60 H/K-1 VTOL Surface Attack Aircraft
40 H/K-2 VTOL Air Superiority Aircraft
12 TC-2C ASW Helicopters
Assorted transports and supply ships

17th Corps(125,000 men)
1 Armored Division w/ attached Armored Brigade(25,000 men)
1 Mechanised-Infantry Division w/ Attached Engineering Brigade(25,000 men)
3 Infantry Divisions w/ attached anti-tank, anti-air, and artillery Brigades(75,000 men)

OOC: First off, Leafanistan: by strategic missiles, I think you mean short ranged ballistic missiles?

OOC: Will you join us in a unified blockade and bombardment of the island with my fleet and the Sochtopian fleet?

And yes, I mean the latest in short ranged ballistic missiles, I want to deliever very large FAE and cluster bomb loads and perhaps bunker busting loads with Tungsten heads tot he island.

Sochtopian Blockade Fleet

14 Empire(?) class carriers
130 aircraft each
-1,400 F35s
-350 SB3 vikings anti sub aircraft
-70 awaxes.
50 Thunder class cruisers
120 Oliver hazerd perry class frigates
75 Search class destroyers
75 Hunter class attack subs
18 Ohio class Submarines
8 posidion class submersible carriers
50 aircraft each
-320 F35s
-64 SB3vikings
-16 awaxes
1440 Resupply Vessels (Unknown Classification)
400 Repair vessles. (Unknown Classification)

2,200 total ships.
2,220 total aircraft.

OOC: Will you join us in a unified blockade and bombardment of the island with my fleet and the Sochtopian fleet?

And yes, I mean the latest in short ranged ballistic missiles, I want to deliever very large FAE and cluster bomb loads and perhaps bunker busting loads with Tungsten heads tot he island.

Uh... hell yeah? As if it wasnt obvious enough by the ships I am sending?

Lets coordinate this attack then, I was hoping for a unified strike, first I need to know where Felucan positions are.

By now, a couple of days have passed so I say we already are running satellite scans in both Visible, Infrared, Ultraviolet, and Gamma.

Is that too much Xeno for you to tell us where positions are?

Not to mention my RORSAT Mk-2s.

A RORSAT, or RADAR Oceanic Reconniassance Sattelite, is a Russian sattelite with an extremely powerful RADAR antennae, it bounces RADAR waves off the oceans surface and looks for surface anamolies that are obviously surface ships. Real RORSATs are actually nuclear powered, but thats just because the Russians dont have a sufficiently powerful electric battery. Red Tide does, so it doesnt use nuclear reactors on its RORSATs.

Crap, this is back? I'll re-route the fleet I previously sent to fight here. Forgot what it was though. I know it had a Kraken, and I'll put a Confederate/Griffincrest force in there too.

I too will again come to the aid of Soch. by sending my fleet to help with the blockade and bombardment.

My initial fleet contains:

12 "Bismarck" Style Battleships (Modernized versions of the infamous Nazi battleship)

2 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers each w/
-45 F-35 Lightning II
-25 "Aurora/Senior Citizen" Supersonic Bombers
-2 EADS "Barracuda" UCAV's

6 Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile Cruisers

3 Arleigh Burke Class (Aegis) Guided Missile Destroyers

5 SSN Seawolf Class Attack Submarines

3 Duke Class (Type 23) Frigates

2 AOE 6 Supply Class Fast Combat Support Ships


They will be on their way from DT (which is near sochotopia) in a few days after supply, and will arrive a few days later. The DT navy is still developing which is why so little has been sent, however, a second, identical fleet is already underway in its journey to the island, though it's suspected to arrive several days later. 3 more fleets are under production/order and won't be ready for many weeks to come (should it come to that [doubtful]).

12 "Bismarck" Class Destroyers (Modernized versions of the infamous Nazi destroyer)


Don't you mean Battleship or Dreadnought, or is there a Bismarck I'm not aware of?

Also my current plan calls for a rally point.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/831/075strikeazu3.jpg

The purple dot is hte rally point, the map is not to scale, the lines with numbers are details The Xeno gave to me

I then suggest recon and to begin close scans of hte shoreline, that task I leave to my E-ships and to Red Tide who has stupidly strong sensors.

How does it sound?

The Bismarck was a infamous nazi ship that sankmany worthy ships such as the Hood. it was quite a nusance untill britian concentrated its whole fleet on it to sink it. These are modernized versions of the Bismarck with better guns, better armour, modern radar and other modern sensors.
And yes, i meant battle ship, not destroyer.

Also my current plan calls for a rally point.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/831/075strikeazu3.jpg

The purple dot is hte rally point, the map is not to scale, the lines with numbers are details The Xeno gave to me

I then suggest recon and to begin close scans of hte shoreline, that task I leave to my E-ships and to Red Tide who has stupidly strong sensors.

How does it sound?

Sounds good, my fleet will meet there. I can help with recon with my Barracudas, but i don't know how far in they could get with all of xenos AA, but they could get a few shots of the shore, plus the surrounding water. And mabey, just mabey, we could send one in on a suicide mission to get a feel for their AA capabilities, they are unmanned.

Don't you mean Battleship or Dreadnought, or is there a Bismarck I'm not aware of?

Also my current plan calls for a rally point.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/831/075strikeazu3.jpg

The purple dot is hte rally point, the map is not to scale, the lines with numbers are details The Xeno gave to me

I then suggest recon and to begin close scans of hte shoreline, that task I leave to my E-ships and to Red Tide who has stupidly strong sensors.

How does it sound?

Thank you all for your support with our allies we will not fail. I will send some of my ships to the rally point except 50 hunter class subs witch will be used to sink enemy ships. I think our fleets should be at least 100 miles away from each other that way its harder to attack someone with tactical nuclear weapons.[That is what I would do if all enemy ships were in one area.

Right, all fleets maintain the 75km distance from each other and stay a bit apart but keep air patrols up and make sure scanners active, by now they can probably see us anyway.

Make IC posts in main thread.

Alrighty. Here's a map of positions that can be detected. (For the sake of making it a little bit more fair for myself, I'll say the island was once volcanic. There's tons of ore deposits and such near the center of the island that screw with satellite detection of bunkers.)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8016/baliislanddefensespd6.jpg
Blue: Bunkers
Red: Gun or AAA emplacements.
Pink: The two air bases.
Orange: Detected helicopter bases.

As you can see, most of the detectable positions are near the shore. The two islands north-west and south-east are very heavily fortified.

The bunkers are similar to Japanese defenses in the Pacific during WWII. Slit type emplacements in hillsides and such looking out over the sea or strategic positions. The gun emplacements are either mobile or towed artillery, or static big guns. The guns are for the most part.. not in LOS (Line of sight) to the ocean. You can't see them from the sea.

*** Note. I have a plan here myself. Please don't jump in my face if it certain events go my way, and I spring a trap. I'm not going to metagame or use OOC information at all.

-- Red Tide, I'd rather you not use those satellite attacks. That's way too close to PMT. I play in MT. Heavily realistic MT.

Anyhow. You guys plan.. make it fun. I'll try not to read your plans, but even if I do I won't use the information.

Anyhow. You guys plan.. make it fun. I'll try not to read your plans, but even if I do I won't use the information.

Thank you I will do the same If this battle gos our way is their a island near your nation we can try to take. If you win theirs a island 200 miles off the Sochatopian cost you could try to take. Do a IC post and lets get moving im not going to be on 4 hours a day only like 1 or maby 2 marching band and school it starts earlyer every year damn goverment.

Thank you I will do the same If this battle gos our way is their a island near your nation we can try to take. If you win theirs a island 200 miles off the Sochatopian cost you could try to take. Do a IC post and lets get moving im not going to be on 4 hours a day only like 1 or maby 2 marching band and school it starts earlyer every year damn goverment.

Well, there's really nothing for me to post at the moment. I'm in a defensive position. I can start replying whenever you folks get close enough.

Last post was 666 thats why my computer is running slow.Im not saying what you should do but you really should send some navel support.

Last post was 666 thats why my computer is running slow.Im not saying what you should do but you really should send some navel support.

I have a small fleet on the way to escort my cargo ships and transports back home. :) I don't intend to use much in the way of naval assets here. It distracts from the real fun of killing folks on land.

wow all 60 missles missed Its alright but I will remember that kind of wankish for only having supply vessles posted.

wow all 60 missles missed Its alright but I will remember that kind of wankish for only having supply vessles posted.

Erm. There's several of them. And well, they're all equipped with several really high-end CIWS. It really doesn't matter if all 60 of them had survived the CIWS, the anti-LADAR system would've blinded them anyhow.

As to the thing about attacking the ones to sea, what are you talking about? There's about a dozen transports and amphib assault ships, and they're all on the beach unloading. In reality, you had about .. meh, 6 CIWS per ship firing at your missiles. The transports and LPH's are unarmed. They depend entirely on CIWS to survive. Hence why they have plenty. ^.^

ok then dont expect me to post many causiltys.

several huge cargo ships sitting further out to sea thats what you said I was attacking those ships. Sorry for not being more specific.

several huge cargo ships sitting further out to sea thats what you said I was attacking those ships. Sorry for not being more specific.

It's only a couple hundred yards from shore. They're out there because it's too shallow to get any closer for such a big ship. ^.^ If you read the island's introduction, you'll see that.

Ok:rolleyes: *under breth supply ships destroying 60 missles give me a break o well.

Ok:rolleyes: *under breth supply ships destroying 60 missles give me a break o well.

.... do you think the CIWS on a cargo ship is any different than the CIWS on a battleship?

I've set the price for my cargo ships VERY high to reflect the fact that they're self-defending.

You can find the LHA-Frogger stats here, LHA-Frogger. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10910238&postcount=58)

Well you say its twice as good so yea I said alright just dont expect to sink my ships with any less than 200 missle beacuse they have CWIS with 4 times normal range.

See were im going you can do it I wont reall do the CWIS Just making a point you can do it its wankish even unguided after 1700 meters away if the ships are unloading stuff thus not moving.or even if they are the ship is about 300 meters? thus nearly impossible to miss.

Well you say its twice as good so yea I said alright just dont expect to sink my ships with any less than 200 missle beacuse they have CWIS with 4 times normal range.

See were im going you can do it I wont reall do the CWIS Just making a point you can do it its wankish even unguided after 1700 meters away if the ships are unloading stuff thus not moving.or even if they are the ship is about 300 meters? thus nearly impossible to miss.


Well, typically the systems on a ship aren't as powerful as those mounted on land. Simply because, it takes power to operate, takes up room and isn't quite as stable. It's like comparing a radio in your car to a stereo in your house.

Why do you think there are AWAC planes? Smaller versions of the same stuff are in fighters and bombers, but they're not as powerful nor as specialized, right? But when you combine an AWAC with fighters, it becomes more-dangerous. Why? Because the AWAC directs the fighters.

The same process applies to using land-based counter-measures in conjunction with a ship's defenses.

--- But if you want to sit there and call me wankish, we can end this right now. The only reason I even restarted this whole thing was because it seemed everyone was disappointed that Korando dropped off the map.

I basicly volunteered myself as a target, and then you're going to come at me, bitching and complaining because the attack you launched without ANY support from your allies, against defenses you haven't SCOUTED AT ALL, didn't immedietly succeed? (Oh by the way. "I launch LADAR guided missiles at your ships!" doesn't tell me squat.)

Fuck that. I'm out.

Good for you get some help anger problems. I should report you for a flame but I really dont care. Man its a game. If I cant say somthings wankish then with out you throwing a fit than I dont want to rp with you ever. Next time if you see a thred that already involves me please stay out ill do the same for a thred that involves you. Really take a chill pill I even let it go I just think its a little poor sportsman ship.

Good for you get some help anger problems. I should report you for a flame but I really dont care. Man its a game. If I cant say somthings wankish then with out you throwing a fit than I dont want to rp with you ever. Next time if you see a thred that already involves me please stay out ill do the same for a thred that involves you. Really take a chill pill I even let it go I just think its a little poor sportsman ship.

Whatever, child. Go hide in the clouds where "RADAR is less effective", lol.

You know what irritates me the most? You clearly know nothing about technology or the equipment we're using, yet you think you can lecture me about what is wankish and what isn't. Real-world CIWSes have a pretty high hit %. Combine that with multiple platforms and very close land-based support, and it becomes extremely effective.

This should have been a decent RP. But of course, the child starts crying the second his crappily-described, off-the-cuff attack, completely without planning, completely without support, completely without his allies and completely without doing ANY scouting or researching of the defenses, fails.

Did you? before how did you get all those weapons on the island on the first place. Since the island is closer to me should I not decide its climate? Do you know how fictional equipment [Ladar is years off }works think carfully before anwsering If you saw it on futcure weapons that is basics speculation at best It could change alot maby my Ladar works diffrent than yourss Any way your the one who cant handle my thoughts on how a attack occured I even let it stand. If you cant stand me complaning I cant stand your flaming.

The thred is dead im glad I dont have to deal with your nastyness as soon as I Make a complant. Im sorry for your anger twards me I hope you stop flaming and play the game for fun not flame. Good bye when you get anger managment classes feel free to RP with me again.

-- Red Tide, I'd rather you not use those satellite attacks. That's way too close to PMT. I play in MT. Heavily realistic MT.

Despite the fact the technology has actually been around since the 80s? Anyways, I see your point.

It doesn't look like it matters anymore, it appears Xeno's gone.

Did you? before how did you get all those weapons on the island on the first place. Since the island is closer to me should I not decide its climate? Do you know how fictional equipment [Ladar is years off }works think carfully before anwsering If you saw it on futcure weapons that is basics speculation at best It could change alot maby my Ladar works diffrent than yourss Any way your the one who cant handle my thoughts on how a attack occured I even let it stand. If you cant stand me complaning I cant stand your flaming.

The thred is dead im glad I dont have to deal with your nastyness as soon as I Make a complant. Im sorry for your anger twards me I hope you stop flaming and play the game for fun not flame. Good bye when you get anger managment classes feel free to RP with me again.

Yes, I know how LADAR works.

Secondly, spellcheck is your friend.

- Yeah, cancel this whole event. This is the sort of bullshit I get when I volunteer myself to continue a RP. Heh. Either way, I now own a new island. ;)

Either way, I now own a new island. ;)
Well that's hardly fair. You have to let Soch. at least contest you for that island if he wants too. Technically anyone can contest that island.

Well that's hardly fair. You have to let Soch. at least contest you for that island if he wants too. Technically anyone can contest that island.

That was the point of this whole thread. - Too bad he fucked it up with all of his complaining and crying.

Heh. He had like 4 people willing to help him, and instead of planning an attack he rushes ahead and starts launching missiles directly into a point-defense system. He had his chance. ^.^

That was the point of this whole thread. - Too bad he fucked it up with all of his complaining and crying.

Heh. He had like 4 people willing to help him, and instead of planning an attack he rushes ahead and starts launching missiles directly into a point-defense system. He had his chance. ^.^

Uh guys, how about The Xeno bribes us all with incentives and we turn this around on Soch? My Fleet is getting cold waiting and my marines are antsy. Who here turns their alligences for a bit of green? My Mafia obviously but I know both Bonstock and Red Tide are also as gray as me.

Uh guys, how about The Xeno bribes us all with incentives and we turn this around on Soch? My Fleet is getting cold waiting and my marines are antsy. Who here turns their alligences for a bit of green? My Mafia obviously but I know both Bonstock and Red Tide are also as gray as me.

I like that idea. ;)

Uh guys, how about The Xeno bribes us all with incentives and we turn this around on Soch? My Fleet is getting cold waiting and my marines are antsy. Who here turns their alligences for a bit of green? My Mafia obviously but I know both Bonstock and Red Tide are also as gray as me.

You consider my goverment grey? Heh, my goverment will do alot for money.

You consider my goverment grey? Heh, my goverment will do alot for money.

I've been thinking of forming the 'Dorian Gray Reading Society', where we as elders would sow chaos around the world to ensure our supremacy and profit.