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Hey. I had an idea. Or rather, I stole one. See, I'm part of a smallish RP group called AMW (A Modern World) which promotes quality roleplay, a high level of realism and a level of detail above the usual. It's strictly (or nearly strictly) Modern/Real tech.

Now, I always thought that FT could do with something like this. And there probably are such RP groups, but I don't know where they are. So, I thought I'd start one.

Here's my proposed plan:

Start off with an empty galaxy; one in the same shape as our own. Each 'player' claims one or two star systems as their 'nation' (probably best not to start with major empires, just so we can get a feel for things before having huge, galaxy spanning conflicts).

There are some rules, mostly centred around creating good RP.

The first, and the only one I'll insist on, is that you need to show quality of writing and RP. Please submit an example of RP when you join (a link works just fine). If two or more members pass you, then you're in. Since there are no members just yet, I'll just play it by ear at first. Please show a sample of your RP if requested, it gives us an idea of how you write.

The second, I think we should have some kind of unified kind of FTL, one (or two) ways to get from point A to point B so as to avoid confusion. We seem to have selected what I'll call the 'Outsider' method, developed by one Jim Francis (citing authors Cherryh, Niven and Pournelle) for his comic. Details here (http://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/forum_ftl_tech.html). He throws in some plot points (the Loroi are a race in said comic), but I like the idea. It allows us to have 'front lines' of a sort, rather than being able to jump from anywhere to anywhere, a-la Star Wars.

The third isn't a rule, it's an offsite forum (http://novagalactica.8.forumer.com/index.php).

Lastly, Valley of the Giant is issuing an open request to have someone join as an ancient empire of some kind that he fought in the distant past. Baisically, I think he wants a war with someone. Anyway. Interest?

Member List
- Valley of the Giant
- Rhinara
- Kriegorgrad
- Dai Nippon Koku
- Spizania
- Taldaan
- Yafor 2

bump?

bump?
O RLY?

Well, Gurg, here's a suggestion...How about we base this off of AMW? And call it A Future World? It'd be fascinating to see our countries several thousand years in the future...

I'll sign on.

I'll join, it seems interesting

Could I have a sample of RP, just to see? A single post is fine, nothing big.

EDIT: And Armand, it's a very strong possibility. I want to keep it open to new people, though, and I might not RP as Australasia but as... something else. Maybe Gurguvungunit, I dunno.

Could I have a sample of RP, just to see? A single post is fine, nothing big.

EDIT: And Armand, it's a very strong possibility. I want to keep it open to new people, though, and I might not RP as Australasia but as... something else. Maybe Gurguvungunit, I dunno.
Don't tell anyone I linked you to this. Check TGs.

VotG, you're in. Very cryptic of you, BTW. I won't ask.

Sounds interesting. Here's a couple of my current RP's:

This one's a medieval fantasy RP
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10767901&postcount=391

And this one is a modern RP with were-creatures
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11431323&postcount=364

With AMW, you guys could definitively say what's modern and what isn't. With sci-fi, however, figuring out what is allowed universally and what isn't could become a big headache, cause you know someone's going to create an uber weapon. Hopefully that won't be the case, though.

OOC :
Sounds interesting . I'll sign-up too .

MB, if you could supply an RP example it would be much appreciated. So far nobody's given me reason to doubt them, but I'd still like to have... standards? Even though we have two members, it's still a small pool. Rhinara is in, but normally we'd need two approvals.

That means, essentially, that Rhinara should pop in once and again to see if there's a join-request. He (?) needs to vote, as it were, on member additions until we have more people who can share in that 'job'. Same goes for VotG.

EDIT: Also, I'd like opinions on how this should be run from you members people; my 'idea' is a spotty one at best. More fleshing out (RP as planets, or as nations on planets with competing ground and space claims) would be good.

Hmm...I think I'll look into it later, Gurg, but right now AMW takes up too much of my time as is.

I don't think I'm active or talented enough to rp with the AMW future. But good luck with it.

It probably won't be the AMW future; that'd be cumbersome for people who aren't up on current AMW politics, nationalistic hatreds and the like.

An example of an RP that I have participated in :

1)Matenbud Declares War (FT) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489374)

2)The Bekhaeran Civil War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488309)

Cool, I was thinking of starting one myself, but this is probably better.
Hers a few examples of my RPs:

Cent Jours Napoleonic Earth 1750s (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Cent_Jours/index.php)- I am Hanover
Earth Imperialism Link Broken for now (http://www.simdomain.net/ei/index.php)-I am Denmark
Earth Imperialism Old 1865-1868 (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Earth_Imperialism/index.php?)-I was Denmark

This is going to be off-site right?

Id like to join if possible, you should have already seen my RP examples when i joined AMW.

EDIT: I would like to use the FTL system from the Homeworld Series of Games

If You need, I think I found an OK map:
Click HERE (http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/Lylybium/galxymap.gif)

It's pretty big, and it's divided into quadrants and such, so I think it should be OK for what we need it for.

That map is from Star Trek, i can see worlds from star trek on it, i thought this was going to start with an entirely blank map?

That map is from Star Trek, i can see worlds from star trek on it, i thought this was going to start with an entirely blank map?

Is it? Darn, The site I got it from said it was a Map of the Milky Way. Besides that, its pretty hard to get all the planets off.

OK, well heres one that is only marked with the Arm Names.
Is this one OK? http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/Lylybium/milkyway.jpg

Rhinara-OK
MationBuds-I don't think he's up to the quality we're looking for here.
Lylybium-I'll take a look later.

Hey Gurguvungunit and Co,

I'd just like to express my interest in this group. You've got yourselves an idea, and you've made it happen. Although, I'm not primarily a future tech player, I've RPed in the genre before, but please do correct me if I make a mistake here and there, as I'll doubtless not be as clued-up as you.

I know you may not ask for a sample of RP, if you wish to just discard me, but I'll be awkward and post it anyway, just to save you asking if you want to!

Horror RP
Chapter I "Teresa - Have you had any more dreams..." (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434977)
Chapter II "Trouble in the South and Hordes of the Dead?" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10253139)
Chapter III "Dementia, Apparitions and a Little Girl..." (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10275439#post10275439) (Still in progress.)
Opening Thread ”Blood” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421014)
IC Thread ”Blood” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421912) (Sadly lost steam, hoping to redo it one day.)

Other RP
Invasion of Kriegorgrad ”Shock and Awe” (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10807094#post10807094) (Still in progress.)
Kriegos Space Fleet “To the inky gloom of the stars” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434060 )

And if you’re worried about not letting a godmodder hell bent on winning in… :)
Krieg’s Guide to Losing ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428384)

Well, I hope you consider me.

Thanks,

Krieg

Hey Gurguvungunit and Co,

I'd just like to express my interest in this group. You've got yourselves an idea, and you've made it happen. Although, I'm not primarily a future tech player, I've RPed in the genre before, but please do correct me if I make a mistake here and there, as I'll doubtless not be as clued-up as you.

I know you may not ask for a sample of RP, if you wish to just discard me, but I'll be awkward and post it anyway, just to save you asking if you want to!

Horror RP
Chapter I "Teresa - Have you had any more dreams..." (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434977)
Chapter II "Trouble in the South and Hordes of the Dead?" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10253139)
Chapter III "Dementia, Apparitions and a Little Girl..." (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10275439#post10275439) (Still in progress.)
Opening Thread ”Blood” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421014)
IC Thread ”Blood” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421912) (Sadly lost steam, hoping to redo it one day.)

Other RP
Invasion of Kriegorgrad ”Shock and Awe” (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10807094#post10807094) (Still in progress.)
Kriegos Space Fleet “To the inky gloom of the stars” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434060 )

And if you’re worried about not letting a godmodder hell bent on winning in… :)
Krieg’s Guide to Losing ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428384)

Well, I hope you consider me.

Thanks,

Krieg

Krieg, you don't need an example to get my vote.

So, VoG, Am I approved?
And what do you think of the Map I posted?

Kriegorgrad gets my vote too, for the required 2 votes.

And just as a note, you don't need to vote against anyone, you just... don't vote for them. After a while, it becomes a moot point since they've likely moved on. And it saves one of us that awkward: "I'm sorry, you don't meet the standards of this establishment" thing.

Spizania also gets a vote from me; if he's good enough for AMW, in my mind he's good enough for this. Example here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11283391&postcount=154), for the rest of you non AMW people.

Ah awesome, cheers!

Thanks VoG, that was a cool thing to hear. :)

I'll look forward to RPing with you guys, though I hope you don't mind if I take a back-stage kind of role, I'm not much of a huge RPer, I'll be on and off, if you don't mind.

Now off to think up what my spacey-nation should be like, and what it should be called for that matter...

On another note, I'd like it if I could also use the Homeworld style of FTL movement.

Hmm......

I don't suppose I could muscle in to provide the FT version of AMW Japan, could I?

I've been a bit busy recently but with my newly free time I'd like to take a crack at it; I promise no over-the-top mecha or mega-ultra-doomsday weapons.

Couldn't you start a new nation altogether? Japan in the future is so...done.

Also, could we have an RP sample, you may be auto-accepted by the thread creator, but I'd still like to see your style of writing, if that's alright.

Couldn't you start a new nation altogether? Japan in the future is so...done.

Also, could we have an RP sample, you may be auto-accepted by the thread creator, but I'd still like to see your style of writing, if that's alright.

RP sample: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418616

I understand your concerns about the over-use of Japan in sci-fi, but I'm not planning your standard 'space empire with Japanese names'. I was thinking of a nation which is populated by drone-like androids who believe themselves to be the last remnants of the Japanese, even though they have no concept of what Japanese culture or society was like. The basic premise is that they were constructed as a way for 'Japan' to survive, but their construction actually led to the end of the culture their creators were trying to protect.

Of course, knowing my luck that has probably already been done.

Ah, interesting shizzle.

I'm usually a bit Japanophobic when it comes to the Japanese being in RP, due my seeing a little too much of the island dwellers' names, seeing "Nagasuke Waisami"* for the 815th time gets a little tiring (think of something new people), but you've won me over. I read your sample and I liked what I saw.

I like your idea, I think they'll be pretty damn interesting to interact with, and I look forward to RPing with you, as I'm sure you'll get another vote - you have mine, and mine's a bit of a hard-to-come-by-easy-to-lose kind of vote!

*I'm aware this most likely isn't a proper Japanese name. Sue me.

Lylybium: I couldn't actually find any of your posts, save for in the second link. And even then, they were all OOC chatter aside from the factbook. Do you have any direct links to your RP's?

Dai Nippon Koku: Looks good. You've got my vote.

Yeah, I found the link to the Old EI. You should be able to find me all over the place, I'm Denmark, but just in case, here are a few posts.

Discussing Peace with Hungary (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Earth_Imperialism/index.php?showtopic=233)

Warsaw Pact (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Earth_Imperialism/index.php?showtopic=213)

So, VoG, Am I approved?
And what do you think of the Map I posted?
I'm going to have ato agree. I couldn't find anything.

BTW, are we gonna have forums for this?

I don't know; probably. I'm incapable of any kind of code or complex internetty stuff, so someone else should take the lead there.

Homeworld FTL is... I don't know. There are a lot of unanswered questions about it, like: how far is a 'short jump'? Without a hyperspace core, is it possible to have any kind of trans-galactic travel? Are there limits on where the drive can and cannot go? What happens if you hit an object in real space when you de-jump?

Also, you can bypass the front lines relatively easily, landing your fleet in someone else's lap. That denigrates tactical maneuver and leaves you needing to reinforce your whole territory, rather than a few border systems. I'm leaning away from it, but... it's in the end up to you as much as me.

Dai Nippon Koku gets my vote, for two.

I don't know; probably. I'm incapable of any kind of code or complex internetty stuff, so someone else should take the lead there.

Homeworld FTL is... I don't know. There are a lot of unanswered questions about it, like: how far is a 'short jump'? Without a hyperspace core, is it possible to have any kind of trans-galactic travel? Are there limits on where the drive can and cannot go? What happens if you hit an object in real space when you de-jump?

Also, you can bypass the front lines relatively easily, landing your fleet in someone else's lap. That denigrates tactical maneuver and leaves you needing to reinforce your whole territory, rather than a few border systems. I'm leaning away from it, but... it's in the end up to you as much as me.

Dai Nippon Koku gets my vote, for two.
Well, we could do Forumer for this. I think they're free, and they're as easy to run as Invisionfree.

Hello, I was wondering if it would be possible for me to join. Unfortunately, I took an extended haitus for RL reasons, and my original nation cannot post on these forums for some reason (but I did ressurrect my nation, happily) so I have no access to any former RPs I participated in (especially since they're almost all four months old at least).

For NS plot purposes, my nation (Empryia), went Japan style isolationist for years after too many incidents within the Empire and without forced it to reconsider its position amongst the galaxy. It's a nation of powerful technology with the the majority species being the Alianotha (Space Elves if you will) with a minority human population. It's armies and fleets of starships are always limited in size due to the low population/reproduction rates of the Alianotha, and the humans have developed lifetime enhancing drugs to be more like the majority. This is offset by superior technology. The Empryian Navy is equipped to the teeth (Imagine Warhammer 40K Eldar) and its Army/Marines are Battlemechs (Battletech, but more advanced, like missiles that go beyond 1km).

And, as for a standardized FTL, you could also do a Battletech style FTL. If you've never read BT, Battetech FTL allows you only to make a jump at 20 light years at most, and then you must recharge your jump drive using solar panels and this takes up a week. Or you can 'hotbox' your FTL drive and use the fusion plants in your starships to jump 'twice' instead of waiting for the normal recharge, but then you run the risk of damaging the ship and it's normal sublight drive systems.

Thanks for reading this.

And my original nation is Empryia.

Thanks for the suggestion VotG, I did a quickie forum (well, 1 hour of playing around, maybe not so quick). Anyway, here it is. I've still got some things to work out (like what all my admin buttons do).

Anyway, Linky (http://novagalactica.8.forumer.com/index.php).

And no, you can't join if you aren't a member of NovGal.

Sorry, TEH. Much as space elves sound fun (if you read the comic at the link I provided, you might enjoy it. Blue Space Elf Babes, but family friendly/pretty work safe), we (I) need a sample of RP before I give you the thumbs up.


Company policy? ;)

Space Elves...eugh.

TEH, is your entire ground military battle-tech, do you have infantry or tanks at all? I'm curious about that.

Also, have you made up any of your own technology? It's always interesting to fight the imagination of your opponent and see how the opponent's society works.

Is all I have to say really, thanks.

Assuming I'm approved, may I post the Map on the Forums?

If your name doesn't appear on the member list, you're not approved.

Hmm... still need that second approval then, eh?

Lylybium, sorry, I wasn't too keen on your samples but if could you write up a bit of Nova Galactica style RP for a sample, and I loef it, you'll have my vote!

Oh boy, here we go.
Nova Galactica RP Sample:
For the United Planets it seemed sweet revenge was surely at hand. For decades the Space Elves had slowly wittled away at their claimed space, but now finally UP had the chance to take what was rightfully theirs and deliver the same brutality the Space Elves had brought with their conquests.

Having ordered the Union Draft in 2178, the UP Navy was fully mobilized and ready for a strike against the SE stronghold. This was an hour for the return of justice and the UP was dead-set on delivering it.

On March 2nd, New Earth, having been informed that the UP Navy was advancing, they were forced to put into efect an exratordinarilt ambitious plan, one that was meant a force of twice their available armada. In command would be Admiral Fredonis, am elf renowned for his agressive service in the conquest of Dathomire II. He planned to defend New Earth with everything available to him.

Finally, the day arrived. Nearly the entire UP Navy quickly appeared out of hyperspace and was now forming a ring around the equator of the planet. In command of the UP Navy was Supreme Admiral of the Navies John Jackson, a decorated veteran of the Three Years War in 2170, known for his obstinance in battle.

Thus, as planned, Superlasers from the surface of New Earth began firing on the approching cresent. Soon, the SE Armada would jump from around the backside of the planet and re-enter real-space just behind the United Planets blockade.

When the command arrived, Admiral Fredonis ordered his ships to jump to their pre-programmed destination. Once the first capital ship appeared, firing commensed upon the UP forces. The UP was not as suprised as they should have been and were in fact prepared for an attack from the rear, they in turn opened fire on the counter-attacking Space Elves. A field of laser-fire opened up as more and more ships joined the fire-fight. It was quite a spectacle to see the red and green bolts dashing back and forth, one would almost enjoy the show if they werent aware that it was actually an enormous battle unfolding beneath them.

Eventually the forces of the UP were overwhelmed and were forced to retreat further towards the laserfire from the planet below. Still, Jackson would not give up his claim to victory, even as casualty figures continued to fly into the ships computers...

OOC: Its not finished, but I think its enough to get the point across.

Oh boy, here we go.
Nova Galactica RP Sample:
For the United Planets it seemed sweet revenge was surely at hand. For decades the Space Elves had slowly wittled away at their claimed space, but now finally UP had the chance to take what was rightfully theirs and deliver the same brutality the Space Elves had brought with their conquests.

Having ordered the Union Draft in 2178, the UP Navy was fully mobilized and ready for a strike against the SE stronghold. This was an hour for the return of justice and the UP was dead-set on delivering it.

On March 2nd, New Earth, having been informed that the UP Navy was advancing, they were forced to put into efect an exratordinarilt ambitious plan, one that was meant a force of twice their available armada. In command would be Admiral Fredonis, am elf renowned for his agressive service in the conquest of Dathomire II. He planned to defend New Earth with everything available to him.

Finally, the day arrived. Nearly the entire UP Navy quickly appeared out of hyperspace and was now forming a ring around the equator of the planet. In command of the UP Navy was Supreme Admiral of the Navies John Jackson, a decorated veteran of the Three Years War in 2170, known for his obstinance in battle.

Thus, as planned, Superlasers from the surface of New Earth began firing on the approching cresent. Soon, the SE Armada would jump from around the backside of the planet and re-enter real-space just behind the United Planets blockade.

When the command arrived, Admiral Fredonis ordered his ships to jump to their pre-programmed destination. Once the first capital ship appeared, firing commensed upon the UP forces. The UP was not as suprised as they should have been and were in fact prepared for an attack from the rear, they in turn opened fire on the counter-attacking Space Elves. A field of laser-fire opened up as more and more ships joined the fire-fight. It was quite a spectacle to see the red and green bolts dashing back and forth, one would almost enjoy the show if they werent aware that it was actually an enormous battle unfolding beneath them.

Eventually the forces of the UP were overwhelmed and were forced to retreat further towards the laserfire from the planet below. Still, Jackson would not give up his claim to victory, even as casualty figures continued to fly into the ships computers...

OOC: Its not finished, but I think its enough to get the point across.

It's a fluid-time post, but it's good. I'll accept you.

Did i get into this RP group?
Also if you are sad enough to read the "Technical and Historical Briefing" supplied in the manual for the first Homeworld Game, it tells you all about the effects lots of things have on the drive. We could also set a smaller limit on the range of the jump system than is possible in cannon Homeworld, perhaps even as low as fifty light years, however we are fighting in a galaxy a hundred thousand lightyears across.
According to the briefings in the HW1 manual the drive will automatically disengage if it encounters large gravity wells in realspace to prevent the ship from being destroyed in some unknown fashion.

Can I see a sample of RPeh, Spizania, if you don't mind.

Theres a link to a post i made in AMW in post #27 of this thread

Would anyone mind if I was to join this merry band? I have some the most recent of my writing here, and if you need any more there are a few more of my posts in the first two pages of that thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11477021&postcount=4

If necessary, I can try to ramble a bit less for this RP. The only other issue I can see is that my nation is somewhat... well... wanky. What with sentient ships and post-humans, its probably higher tech than a lot of other nations. I'd be perfectly happy to tone it down if you want: in fact, trying some new concepts might be fun. I just want to know if my current techbase seems a little OTT. I don't want to ruin such a promising RP by being the one that no-one wants to play with.

Brilliant Taldaan, you have my vote. :) However, I think that we start new nations in this RP. I am Saigan, and that's not related to Kriegorgrad in the slightest!

Spiz, cool sample, a little factual for my tastes, but good nonetheless. I think you're already in, anyway, as Gurg said that "anyone good enough AMW is good enough for NG", or something along those lines. I personally don't hold the same level of trust, but I feel you'd be a good asset to the group, you have your second vote, as I think Gurg implied his vote with the statement regarding AMW.

Jesus, I ramble.

EDIT: And another thing: ENOUGH WITH THE GOD DAMN ELVES! We have half of our players as elves already, can't we have another race, or just good old humans?

What sort of tech level are we looking at here?
Im thinking technology that we know how to work in theory for weapons and power. Fusion generators, pulsed particle cannons and thermonuclear weapons (including thermonuclear shaped charges). Maybe primitive energy shielding aswell but nothing too sci-fi like.
Lasers dont make for nice firefights, as you cant see them unless your on the recieving end, which means your dead already. Ships would just start being cut up with no physical evidence of what is happening. But particle beams tend to glow due to the effects of the trace particles in space interacting with the relivistic particle stream due to friction.

I think Saigan works with mainly solid munitions, with maybe a bit of plasma here and there! Particle shiz sounds good too, though, if you'd explain how it works to this simple soul. :)

I think Saigan works with mainly solid munitions, with maybe a bit of plasma here and there! Particle shiz sounds good too, though, if you'd explain how it works to this simple soul. :)

Thanks to wikipedia for this:
A neutral particle beam weapon ionizes hydrogen gas by either stripping an electron off of each hydrogen atom, or by allowing each hydrogen atom to capture an extra electron. When hydrogen gains electrons it forms anions; when hydrogen atoms lose electrons they form cations. This is why particle beam weapons may be called ion cannons. A particle beam weapon that accelerates anions uses a traveling wave type particle accelerator. In this kind of ion accelerator, the negative ions are released inside a cylindrical ion acceleration chamber. This chamber has an electrode with an alternating electric charge of up to 1,000,000,000 volts inside it.

These stages happen:-

1. While the charge on the electrode is positive, the ions are attracted to the negative charge on the electrode, and thus bunched around it.
2. The alternating voltage switches the charge to negative on the accelerating electrode.
3. The negative charge electrostatically repels the negative ions and accelerates them to near the velocity of light.
4. The resulting high energy beam of anions passes through a chamber filled with low pressure gas.
5. There, collisions with the gas strip the extra electrons from the anions, and thus make the particle beam neutral.
6. The particle beam proceeds straight to its target, and damages it by running into it, and by disrupting the structure of the target with its kinetic energy.

Cyclotron particle accelerators, linear particle accelerators, and synchroton particle acclerators can accelerate positively charged hydrogen ions until their velocity approaches the speed of light, and each individual ion has a kinetic energy of from 100 MeV to 1000 MeV or more. Then the resulting high energy protons can capture electrons from electron emitter electrodes, and be thus electrically neutralized. This creates an electrically neutral beam of high energy hydrogen atoms, that can proceed straight line at near the velocity of light to zap its target and thus damage it.

The pulsed particle beam emitted by a particle beam weapon may contain up to 1 gigajoule of kinetic energy or more. The speed of a beam equaling the speed of light(186,000 miles per second) in combination with the energy created by the weapon would negate any realistic means of defending a target against the beam. Target hardening through shielding or materials selection would be impractical or ineffective [1], especially if the beam can be generated successfully and pointed at the target. [2]

Sounds a bit unbeatable. :/

I hope this doesn't become a mega-laser fest with ultra shields.

I'm considering a limit on technology as well; perhaps something as stringent as 'mass drivers/railguns and fairly powerful torpedoes', or perhaps just 'no superguns'.

Taldaan gets vote two for the win. Hey... don't I remember you from an abortive RP in the recent past, one involving myself, you, some crazy imperialist nutjob aliens and... whatsisname... the one who types illegibly with one sentance posts?

Space Elves...eugh.

TEH, is your entire ground military battle-tech, do you have infantry or tanks at all? I'm curious about that.

Also, have you made up any of your own technology? It's always interesting to fight the imagination of your opponent and see how the opponent's society works.

Is all I have to say really, thanks.

In response to your question, no, my ground military is not all Battletech 'mechs. 'Mechs are the exception rather than the rule. Infantry/Power-Armoured Infantry are the main-stay with skimmers (anti-grav tanks, not hover) and tracked tanks. Portable projectile weapons are the mainstay of the ground forces, except for anti-grav units or jump-pack troopers, where it makes more sense to use near recoilless or recoilless energy weapons.

Actually, most of my technology is made up on my own. The ships for my fleets are all designed by myself. The nation relies three principles for success: 1) on very powerful weaponry that's difficult to produce. Therefore they don't mind building heavy capital ships because the cost of the technology is in the weaponry and not the actual chassis. However, capital ships are also the exception and not the rule. 2) Strike Craft are the rule, and whole fleets will be built around carriers as opposed to battleships. All ships from destroyers up to dreadnaughts carry Strike Craft hangars and launch bays. 3) Tactics, tactics, tactics. The lack of capital ships and the lack of armor on the strike craft (plus the cost of even replacing a strike craft) means that nothing is expendable. 25 years of Civil War has seen the annihilation of 15% of the population plus the maiming of another 20% means that additional losses are unacceptable, especially considering the slow reproduction of their race (though the humans, as always, multiply like jack-rabbits). And the nation is made up of a myriad of species, with the Elves only being a polarity/majority (a little over 50%).

I'm considering a limit on technology as well; perhaps something as stringent as 'mass drivers/railguns and fairly powerful torpedoes', or perhaps just 'no superguns'.

I would like technology caps. I was hoping more for a small, development RP at first, with very limited technology. That way, it's more about the RP than it is about the flashy weapons. After a while, the tech cap could be raised a little more, and a little more after some more time, and so on and so forth.

I would like technology caps. I was hoping more for a small, development RP at first, with very limited technology. That way, it's more about the RP than it is about the flashy weapons. After a while, the tech cap could be raised a little more, and a little more after some more time, and so on and so forth.

Seconded.

I see TEH, I see. Seems all a little unstoppable to me, and it doesn't really appeal to me, but I'll let the other RPers be the judges.

Particle Cannons are not really that unbeatable due to several problems intrinsic to energy weapons, they grow increasingly diffuse over distance while a solid projectile maintains almost all of its kinetic energy over all probably engagement distances. Also the main limitation to space based weapons is the energy consumption and that will be the same for particle and linear accelerator weapons

<Still busily scraping up RP examples>

If there is a technology cap, I would like to insist that my favorite weapon from the 2300AD canon, the detonation laser, be permitted. After all, this weapon - concieved by (RL) Dr. Edward Teller - was to be the basis for the Reagan-era SDI!

IOW, we're talking a MT/PMT vintage weapon. A very deadly MT/PMT vintage weapon...

(Of course, when you use a matter-antimatter annihilation device to “pump” your laser, it is only that much more effective!)

Basically, 2300AD is PMT with FTL spaceflight capabilities.

Right now, my fleet's armed with railguns in the main, and heavy thermonukes as backup/heavy combat weapons, in addition to smaller 'cruise missile' type things that are just a bunch of high explosive and a rocket engine. No real shields, I've never seen a clear explanation of how such a thing would even work, so I avoid them.

No real shields, I've never seen a clear explanation of how such a thing would even work, so I avoid them.A strong magnetic field holding charged particles in suspension to attenuate laser fire, perhaps?

Hey... don't I remember you from an abortive RP in the recent past, one involving myself, you, some crazy imperialist nutjob aliens and... whatsisname... the one who types illegibly with one sentance posts?

Yes, that was me. And also Seph, which increased the "unthinking aggression" levels of the thread considerably.

Also, I'd prefer a "no superguns" rule to anything more stringent. Despite being a heavy user of railguns to the exclusion of most other things, I really wouldn't like to see other weapons taken away as long as they are kept reasonable and further the story rather than being a get-out-of-limitations-free card.

Taldaan once again has my support, we don't need lasers and other mega-cannons. Let's start it mainly solid shot, and if people really want to, move up to lasers and crap later on in the RP.

Taldaan once again has my support, we don't need lasers and other mega-cannons. Let's start it mainly solid shot, and if people really want to, move up to lasers and crap later on in the RP.

Sounds like a good plan; keep it simple to start with, then maybe move to the laser/phaser/etc. once we're all settled into the swing of things.

<Still busy scraping up RP examples>

I still don't see what's wrong with bomb-pumped detonation lasers and particle beams; I mean, this is - as I indicated above - 80's technology. Both charged and neutral particle beams were discussed as part of SDI, and even tested. If the U.S. fired off test models of both chemical lasers and particle beam at Los Alamos over a two decades ago, how can we say such weapons are “too advanced” for any FT world?!? You'd might as well ban fusion drives (not yet tested), Turing-class AI (not yet achieved even in the lab), CLSS (closed life-support systems - not yet succesfully tested, even on Earth), or spin habitats (not yet tested), because those things will utlimately post-date particle beams and chemical lasers by several decades!

The same is true for bomb-pumped x-ray or gamma ray lasers; test shots were made of these weapons decades ago (in RL), so they're clearly “lab weapons” in MT and will be working weapons in PMT.

If I can get the necessary creative writing samples to join (I've got a lot of posts as Allemande, Narodna Odbrana, Ayadhha, Harlack Mensa, etc., but only one good thread as the Kafers, my sci-fi nation), I plan on applying for entry. But the Kafers are drawn from the 2300AD canon, and that canon uses SDI-style weaponry; I can't imagine making them work with anything else.

(Oh, yeah: as of this date, mass drivers have not yet been made to fire more than two or three times without bending the rails to the point where the weapon becomes unworkable [and coil weapons haven't yet been made to function at all]. So by that standard, even railguns are more advanced than lasers and particle beams!)Particle Cannons are not really that unbeatable due to several problems intrinsic to energy weapons, they grow increasingly diffuse over distance while a solid projectile maintains almost all of its kinetic energy over all probably engagement distances. Also the main limitation to space based weapons is the energy consumption and that will be the same for particle and linear accelerator weaponsActually, the main limitation to space-based weapons is the ability to target the enemy; space is vast and ships are small. We're still discovering NEA's (Near-Earth Asteroids), and those are generally bigger (5-10km) than even the biggest starships (2-3km). Spotting vessels that are flying at reduced power levels (“stealth mode”) even 50,000-100,000km away is a task of unimaginable difficulty (and don't tell me, “oh, well, my sensors will handle that, no problem”; what sensors are those, that are so good?). Even when you have a sense that something is moving out there, flight time to target is going to be large enough that the enemy could change course long before your blow lands, resulting in a huge miss - and that's assuming you can get a good “lock” (i.e., firing solution) on the target in the first lace.

That's why some people have described early space combat as “hide-and-seek with bazookas”.

If you're after lasers and over-wank on technology, please find another RP. I don't think that's what the majority of the group here want.

Lasers are hardly the over-wanked weapon that you seem to think they are, Krieg. They are completely plausible space weapons (especially seeing as we can build them in the present day), and as long as they aren't on a different order of magnitude of power to the railguns and things that seem to be so popular in this group, I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to use them. Even I was thinking of using lasers as a point defence weapon. I also think that the same should apply to particle beams.

To me, this is a case of allowing any kind of weapon that does a certain amount of damage or less, rather than discriminating against entire classes of weapon because they are more frequently misused on these forums. Of course, I might make an exception for plasma weapons. I really don't like plasma weapons, way too much suspension of disbelief required.

Well point defence weapons are all well and good, but a lot of people are kind of after the whole "LOL UBER" Star Wars laser crap. And I hear endless stories about lasers on the forums being "99999999999999999999kj" or whatever, some crap that can blow up planets.

And you can't really tone down particle weaponry, it is, by nature, a weapon you can't defend against.

There are several easy defences against particle beam cannons, you use ablative hull armour or use magnetic fields to hold xenon ions a few metres off your hull to mess with the continuality of the particle beams.
And im not talking about planet busting weapons, im talking about max 1 Gigajoule yield pulsed particle cannons, which is comparable to firing a 10kg slug at 14.5 kilometres per second, and at the ranges we are probably going to be fighting at, less than ten kilometres, the arival time difference isnt really that major due to the short distances.

I think that lasers (properly applied), and perhaps particle cannons as in Spiz' example, can be used for our purposes-- I picked railguns since lasers don't have a visible effect, so description is hard. I also like the idea of a weapon with recoil and ammo needs, because I like self-limitation.

Of course, we are suspending disbelief enough for artificial gravity (or at least, I am), so going to 'hard sci-fi' in one field doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, I agree with the idea that weapon systems should be examined carefully before admitting them into 'canon', and I won't be using plasma guns any time soon.

Can we take this to the forums instead of the recruitment thread?

Depends. Do you want people to know what they're getting into before they sign up?

Depends. Do you want people to know what they're getting into before they sign up?
I'm talking about this discussion. It's cluttering the thread.

If anyone wants to open it up for that, go ahead. But right now, I'm leaning towards the cap of 'solid shot weapons, hard sci-fi style lasers/particle beams and the 2300AD cannon as the limit on tech currently' for the main page as rule 3.

I'm actually thinking of leaning towards WH:40k, which largely uses projectiles or projectile-liek weaponry and some lasers.

I have a personal aversion to WH4k, but that's mostly from having seen people try to design an MT or PMT tank using their theories. PLEASE don't use WH4k ground forces, the basic design theory there is terrible.

Space navy, I'm not sure, I don't have any experience with it, really.

I have a personal aversion to WH4k, but that's mostly from having seen people try to design an MT or PMT tank using their theories. PLEASE don't use WH4k ground forces, the basic design theory there is terrible.

Space navy, I'm not sure, I don't have any experience with it, really.
Really more or less the style they're designed, not the techs themselves. I don't know anything about the Warhammer fleets. I'm leaning more to early ST universe with that.

Well, I don't know that much about the tech. But if you look at a WH40k tank, its armour scheme would have it in pieces on the floor in seconds.

Also, chainsaws as a melee weapon? I think not.

I cant create an account on the forums
EDIT: Now i cant even get into the forums

Spizania, it's still not working for you? Don't know why you couldn't create an account, unless your IP has been locked out.

Hi! I hope you people know me! Anyway, I'd like to join. I'm a/an (fairly) active member of AMW and here are some of my RP's! I can't promise I'll be that active (having many other commitments) but I can try! Can you use more exclamation points that I just did!?!

Samples:
Something I started when I was bored a couple of months ago...now I have realized why you shouldn't do that. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490459)
A pointless thread that I planned on having as a coup...then an internal RP...now it's in the back seat. Again. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452650)
My very fun, active war with a great RP'er, Generic Empire. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442037)

I LIKE this idea, especially if we can craft a nice galactic map.

This would be better if more people were active. So far it's me and Rhinara and sometimes Gurg. Unless he's on vacation or sumfink.

Gupta has my vote.

Shalrirorchia, we're sorta working on that. At this point in time, the nations are so small that a galactic map won't be of much help, actually. But we're figuring out how to do the local map. If you'd like to join, feel free to link a couple of your RP's.

VotG, as the saying goes, Rome wasn't built in a day. We're slowly building up steam.

Gupta has my vote.

If you wouldn't mind...call me "Yafor 2". See my sig, the "mod ruling" link especially. There was an error with my account, so I use this as an RP'ing account...sorry to nitpick, but this irritates me sometimes. Thanks (for the vote, too!). :)

Yeah, I'll endorse you, Yafor. I remember you when I was Green Sun.

If I may ask, could anyone endorse me? I'm thinking about coming back as a diferent culture.

Unfortunately, most of my rp was on another forum, and I have since left that forum due to inactivity. The records I left behind were apparently purged some time after I departed. Nor have I done much of anything on the Nationstates forums themselves for a VERY long time. If you want me in, it'll only be on my present merits, not my past accomplishments.

Ive got an account and will now post up my factbook ASAP

ZOMFG! Green Sun! You've been gone for frickin ages! Welcome back! And Yafor, you've got my support.

Anyway, sorry about this, but I'm not going to be able to post at all for two weeks because I'll be on holiday. Don't let this die while my back is turned, and I promise I'll be back.

Three "yes"es. From people I trust. I'm in. (and yeah, Green Sun, you've been gone forever! Man, thought you'd left! Great to see you up and RP'ing, mate.)

EDIT: Signed up as Nasciora.

ZOMFG! Green Sun! You've been gone for frickin ages! Welcome back! And Yafor, you've got my support.

Anyway, sorry about this, but I'm not going to be able to post at all for two weeks because I'll be on holiday. Don't let this die while my back is turned, and I promise I'll be back.
I remember you, you joined my Buggy Earth. Man, I wish that kicked off.

Edit: And there is no way in hell I would ever leave NS. Just too much damn fun.

I was also Pananab and Earthed Klingons.

Bump for membership.

In terms of more realism, would we be looking at using masers/graser/missiles/mass drivers as weapons, and.. well, that sort of thing?

I use exclusively solid shot, save perhaps microwave lasers or something as CIWS. So for me it's missiles, nukes and railguns.

On the other hand, others use some extremely basic form of laser, as far as I understand it. Mostly it's railguns, though.

Twiddle-ee-doo

Twiddle-ee-dum.

Oh, and there's a possibility for war between Sch'Naggio and Spizania unless teh Brits can get involved!

Bump.

And a bump from someone else. Eh, we'll get new people eventually.

Actually, there was something I wanted to suggest. While a war between myself and Spizania would be interesting, I was hoping to get some people to create more friction. And not some minor nation pisses off a bigger one. My nation was once a huge power in the sector and had a lot of enemies. Some of these enemies are still around. I was hoping that making this suggestion would help with recruitment: Join as an old enemy of my nation. We were ruthless as a power, and my nation's return and 'aggressive colonization' is a serious threat to their security.

OR!

We could have a major power, such as something LIKE the Borg or the Tyyrannids pop up, and we begin to get intel that entire civilizations are being wiped clean. They couldn't be too powerful, and possibly could be splintered but fighting as one mass otherwise. That would pose a good oppertunity for my first suggestion to come into effect, as well. They would, especially after unifying against the Drow (My nation), unify and fight against this new threat. We, the Cluster, eventually would become aware of the threat and move to wipe it our from our section of the galaxy. That way we could have a major storyline to REALLY kick this off. And then we could have a Cold War with the Drow/Human Cluster (What I call it until we have a name for it) and the Alliance.

I was thinking about having a powerful alien attacking all of us as well; something like the Zerg. But this might work better later on in the game, especially since we're still trying to figure out how our nations react to each other naturally, rather than be forced together by invading aliens.

That's true. But we need to think of ways to recruit, especially by offering oppertunities. This is an oppertunity for older nations to be developed and a somewhat seperate enviroment to thrive.

Anyway, I have a new idea for another roleplay. Check dah forums in about ten minutes.

Bump

Bump

I don't like the new format.

I don't like the new format.

I was ok with it until I realized that the title of the window changed to include the thread's page number as well. I normally put the newest page of a thread in my Favorites list so I can jump directly to the newest page without having to use the search function or anything, and the newest page of a thread on my Favorites list would replace the old one. But now, because the page number gives it a different title, it doesn't replace the old link, but instead creates another one. I have to manually delete the page number each time now, which is annoying. Oh well, 'tis life. No one else seems to like the new layout either, I hear.

Nobody EVER likes the new crap. Maybe it should just stop being new already.

Anyway, Uh...Join now as an older nation and...Uh...Have more RPing material to work with!

Bump

I *gasp* kinda like it.

Meh. Your call.

Oh, and things are starting to pick up. this is a good time to submit your RPs.

Come on, people! Start wars, build new techs, prosper or decay! Join!

Bump

Hullo?

Bumpzors 2 t3h maxzours.

I'm considering joining. I don't have much time now, but I should in a few weeks.. So yeah. More of a placeholder here.

EDIT: An example of my RPing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492568), if it helps any.

Hyperspatial Travel, you can have my endorsement.

But on a different note, I'm leaving this RP. Don't get me wrong: it was a great idea, and I'm sure that the forum will have a very good standard of RP, but I can't be part of it any more. If anyone is interested in my reasons, I made a thread about my leaving II a couple of days ago.

Oh, man, I'm sorry we had to lose you...

And Hyp definitely has my endorsement.

Come to think of it, who hasn't gotten mine?

I'm considering joining. I don't have much time now, but I should in a few weeks.. So yeah. More of a placeholder here.

EDIT: An example of my RPing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492568), if it helps any.I'm honored that HT chose to use that RP as his example! So would that same RP be sufficient for me, or do you need more?

I was going to hold my nomination, but hell, we need active members, so after reading that, you, too, have my vote.