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2006: The Avian Bird Flu barely kills any in Italy, only three hundred and twenty three.
2006: The Italian government grants the newly elected President Gurio emergency powers due to rising Communist revolts in Rome and Florence, among other cities.
2007: Communists express feelings as to how they feel about the government: Slow, lazy, terrible. They promise to make things better.
2007: Communist party takes control of government, the people rejoice. The new president, an Irish man named Luke Deait donates $1.5 million dollars total to many different charity orginizations. The citizens love him.
2007: Luke Deait ups the nuclear program, and nuclear production increases 50%, making way for nuclear weapon production.
2007: Italy suddenly condems various nations of the Middle East for the terrorist attack and offers $250 million dollars to England for the damage and for help.
2007: With the war in Isreal, Lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan, Italy sends 2,000 troops to Isreal, along with three battleships and two full battlions of planes.
2007: Luke Deait and the Communist regime condems Vlade Savovic for his explution of regular human beings in Bosnia.
2008: Italy attends the peace treaty signing with Suadi Arabia. Upon signing, terrorists attack, Luke Deait killed in the process. David Johnit, an English man, comes to power.
2008: David Johnit and the Italian government condem Mikhial Teltsin for his genocide act.
2008: Isreal signs peace treaty in the Middle East, and Italy recalls the three planes and 476 troops back.
2009: Italy offers $500 million to South Africa, only to be turned down.
2010: Italy ignores the Pakistani dictator, but sends troops to assinate him.
2010: The assination attempt fails, and three troops are killed, with $5,000 of equipment loss. Pakistan then blames the United States off the equipment.
2011: Italy condemns Iran and Pakistan and sends troops to the border of UN(United Nations)-friendly Afghanistan.
2011: Italy sends 20,000 troops to Iran, bombing known nuclear facilities and facotires. Assassination attempts fail on both Iran and Pakistan leaders.
2011: Italy drops nuclear bombs on the capital of Iran and surronding area, destroying much of the infrastructure and technology, sending Iran into a state of panic.
2011-2012: Italy sends its first ever astronauts ito the international space station in space to do research on the atmosphere, finding nothing.
2012: The nations of France, Great Britain, USA, Israel, India, China and South Korea and Spain and Italy sign a treaty that dictates that nuclear weapons will be a last resort measure rather than a reactionary attack as seen in the Indian Ocean War.
2013: Italy, having finished with Iran, then sends 10,000 troops to Iraq. They bomb Baghad for three days and three nights. Troops destroy highways, and bomb the outskirts of the city for terrorist hide-outs.
2014: Italy praises the latest Iranian president for modernizing Iran and establishes a seprate alliance with them.
2015: Begin game.

NOTE: I realize I made QUITE a few mistakes. Just check my second post.


Statistics:

Population:
60,942,339 2015 Estimate
60,452,427 2012 Census

GDP: 2015 Estimate
$1.923 Trillion
$29,936

HDI: 2015
0.988

Government: 2015
President: David Johnit
Head General: Giovonni Friwt

This is good history, but you should add in the GDP, who's in power, military size, population, government type, etc. for it to be judged for 2015.

I'm sorry, what about nuking Tehran? First of all, where did Italia get said nukes?

first word: ouch

2006: The Avian Bird Flu barely kills any in Italy, only three hundred and twenty three.

2006: The Italian government grants the newly elected President Gurio due to rising revolts in Rome and Florence, among other cities.

2007: Communist party takes control of government, the people rejoice. The new president, an Irish man named Luke Deait donates $1.5 million dollars total to many different charity orginizations. The citizens love him.

2007: Italy suddenly condems various nations of the Middle East for the terrorist attack and offers $250 million dollars to England for the damage and for help.
2007: With the war in Isreal, Lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan, Italy sends 2,000 troops to Isreal, along with three battleships and two full battlions of planes.
2007: Luke Deait and the Communist regime condems Vlade Savovic for his explution of regular human beings in Bosnia.
2008: Italy attends the peace treaty signing with Suadi Arabia. Upon signing, terrorists attack, Luke Deait killed in the process. David Johnit, an English man, comes to power.
2008: David Johnit and the Italian government condem Mikhial Teltsin for his genocide act.

2008: Isreal signs peace treaty in the Middle East, and recalls the three planes and 476 troops back to Italy.

2009: Italy INTERPOL agents break into Iran nuclear factories and discover nuclear weapons. They tell no one, and plan to wait until the weapons are noticable.

2009: Italy offers $500 million to South Africa, only to be turned down.
2010: Italy ignores the Pakistani dictator, but sends troops to assinate him.

2010: The assination attempt fails, and three troops are killed, with $1,500 of equipment loss. Pakistan then blames the United tates off the equipment.

2011: Italy condemns Iran and Pakistan and sends troops to the border of UN-friendly Afghanistan.

2011: Italy sends 20,000 troops to Iran, bombing known nuclear facilities and facotires. Assassination attempts fail on both Iran and Pakistan leaders.

2011: Italy drops nuclear bombs on the capital of Iran and surronding area, destroying much of the infrastructure and technology, sending Iran into a state of panic.

2011-2012: Italy sends its first ever astronauts ito the international space station in space to do research on the atmosphere, finding nothing.
2012: The nations of France, Great Britain, USA, Israel, India, China and South Korea and Spain and Italy sign a treaty that dictates that nuclear weapons will be a last resort measure rather than a reactionary attack as seen in the Indian Ocean War.

2013: Italy, having finished with Iran, then sends 10,000 troops to Iraq. They bomb Baghad for three days and three nights. Troops destroy highways, and bomb the outskirts of the city for terrorist hide-outs.

2014: Italy praises the latest Iranian president for modernizing Iran and establishes a seprate alliance with them.

2014: Isreal joins Iran and Italy in the Triple I (III) alliance and the capital of the alliance is in Isreal, on international territory.

2015: Begin game.

I hate to do this, because it looks like you put a lot of time into this, but...

1. not a problem too much, but what does government grant him?

2. two thing actually; why is an Irishman in the Italian Communist Party? and I presume that the Communists were the people waging the revolts in Rome and Florence, right?

3. Probably a misstatement, but why is Israel sending its troops to Italy?

4. Logic: if the INTERPOL agents "find" nuclear weapons, why should they wait until they are noticeable?

5. $1500 worth of of equipment - and you fail the operation. Either you didn't lose too much - in which case, it's better not to mention the loss - or you used really really cheap stuff (from NORTH KOREA :D ...ooc joke).

6. If Italy condemns Pakistan and Iran, why is it sending troops to Afghanistan, even if only to go to the border and watch the two nations?

7. dittoo on Tejas's comment - where did Italy get those nukes? Because I know I didn't sell any, and you didn't mention stealing them from the Iranian factory.

8. ehhhhhh... you invaded Iran, which might be explainable because of all the other stuff going around - but why Iraq? and more importantly, why so indiscriminately?

9. ok, so you make an alliance with Iran (we have no Iran at the moment), but then Israel joins this alliance. First of all, this alliance is somewhat anti-communistic, and Iran and Israel wouldn't join any alliance anytime soon, especially after what has happened to both states (note, the main thread says treaty, not alliance)

My good comments:

1. This is verry well and chronologically organizes. Kudos to you! :D

2. It does a good job of involving Italy in international crises (perhaps too much).

3. You put heart into it, although I must have broken by now; regardless, if you make as good improvements as you did writing your history (improve as well as you write being the point), you'll be squared away in no time!

OK, so now to explain some things.

First of all, where did the nuke come from? Well, how does the Middle East have nukes? They are made (not bought OR SOLD).

An Irishman and Englishman (I think) in an Italian Communist party? WHA? Well, the Italians aren't generally Communist. The two forgeiners are, and have been for a long time. They have more expertise. The Italians trust them.

The INTERPOL agents tell no one because they know that if they tell anyone, they will be accused of spying on many different countries and for stealing things. Also, the other nations of the Middle East would nuke Italy, or atleast kill many, many citizens.

Why did Italy send troops to Afgahnistan? In case they were needed, they were right there.

OK, so I'm not sure why I did what I did to Iraq. But I had a reason. It'll come back to me.

I deleted the alliance thing. It's only Italy and Iran now.

It isn't in your history where you got the nukes. Nuclear programs aren't "Snap yo fingas and you got dem nukes, brotha!" If you bought them, say from where. As temporary admin, you have to convince me.

Hayord, I have to make a statement about your history thread....

The Communist Party doesn´t exist in Italy since the fall of the Soviet Union, and it did split into two separated Parties: The democratic party of the left (PDS), from which is current President Giorgio Napolitano (not Gurio), that was the first party created after the desintegration of the Communist Party, and the Communist Refoundation, founded by the more leftist members of the Communist Party. Another fact is both party are currently part of the coalition of Prodi´s Government (The Union) and that´s why the communist cannot take the control of the government, because they form part of it already.....
Another fact, there is less irish or english communists than italian communists, and before its desintegration the communist party was one of the three most popular parties of the country (including the Socialist Party and Christian Democracy), and the most important problem of Italy right now is the external debt and the lack of productivity, not the social issues, so I don´t get why the italian people rejoice about a communist coup d´etát....

OK, so now to explain some things.

First of all, where did the nuke come from? Well, how does the Middle East have nukes? They are made (not bought OR SOLD).

An Irishman and Englishman (I think) in an Italian Communist party? WHA? Well, the Italians aren't generally Communist. The two forgeiners are, and have been for a long time. They have more expertise. The Italians trust them.

The INTERPOL agents tell no one because they know that if they tell anyone, they will be accused of spying on many different countries and for stealing things. Also, the other nations of the Middle East would nuke Italy, or atleast kill many, many citizens.

Why did Italy send troops to Afgahnistan? In case they were needed, they were right there.

OK, so I'm not sure why I did what I did to Iraq. But I had a reason. It'll come back to me.

I deleted the alliance thing. It's only Italy and Iran now.

1. You never mentioned buying, making, or stealing anything from anyone or anywhere. Get a history of that before you blow a bomb.

2. ok... I'm not convinced personally, but if it makes sense, ok.

3. Your fears are unreasonable - if you know where they are, there is no reason to wait until they're noticeable, because they've already been noticed. If you're thinking about not internationally publicizing it, that's a different instance and that comment should be re-worded to fit the story better.

4. Ok......

Since you've got an Irishman and Englishman in your thread, it might be better to consider Ireland, as it's history would be more compatible - in some regards - to this one.

I just said, I made the nukes.

I'll delete the INTERPOL agents because it doesn't make sense. Upon writing it, I planned on have them tell everyone. But I was basing it off of Sweden and the Sign-up thread histories. I'll delete it *smacks forehead*.

I did not know of that, Montegrande. Let's just say a discreet group took over.

I like Italy A LOT more than Ireland. I would do Ireland, but it's not big, doesn't do much (that I know of) in International things. So, you know, I chose Italy.


Guys, just please remember that I just learned about E15 (my short for Earth 2015), and if I knew everything that's so far happened, there'd be no room for me. So I'm just trying to get involved.

2006: The Avian Bird Flu barely kills any in Italy, only three hundred and twenty three.
2006: The Italian government grants the newly elected President Gurio emergency powers due to rising revolts in Rome and Florence, among other cities.
2007: Communist party takes control of government, the people rejoice. The new president, an Irish man named Luke Deait donates $1.5 million dollars total to many different charity orginizations. The citizens love him.
2007: Italy suddenly condems various nations of the Middle East for the terrorist attack and offers $250 million dollars to England for the damage and for help.
2007: With the war in Isreal, Lebanon, Iran, Suadi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan, Italy sends 2,000 troops to Isreal, along with three battleships and two full battlions of planes.
2007: Luke Deait and the Communist regime condems Vlade Savovic for his explution of regular human beings in Bosnia.
2008: Italy attends the peace treaty signing with Suadi Arabia. Upon signing, terrorists attack, Luke Deait killed in the process. David Johnit, an English man, comes to power.
2008: David Johnit and the Italian government condem Mikhial Teltsin for his genocide act.
2008: Isreal signs peace treaty in the Middle East, and Italy recalls the three planes and 476 troops back.
2009: Italy offers $500 million to South Africa, only to be turned down.
2010: Italy ignores the Pakistani dictator, but sends troops to assinate him.
2010: The assination attempt fails, and three troops are killed, with $5,000 of equipment loss. Pakistan then blames the United States off the equipment.
2011: Italy condemns Iran and Pakistan and sends troops to the border of UN(United Nations)-friendly Afghanistan.
2011: Italy sends 20,000 troops to Iran, bombing known nuclear facilities and facotires. Assassination attempts fail on both Iran and Pakistan leaders.
2011: Italy drops nuclear bombs on the capital of Iran and surronding area, destroying much of the infrastructure and technology, sending Iran into a state of panic.
2011-2012: Italy sends its first ever astronauts ito the international space station in space to do research on the atmosphere, finding nothing.
2012: The nations of France, Great Britain, USA, Israel, India, China and South Korea and Spain and Italy sign a treaty that dictates that nuclear weapons will be a last resort measure rather than a reactionary attack as seen in the Indian Ocean War.
2013: Italy, having finished with Iran, then sends 10,000 troops to Iraq. They bomb Baghad for three days and three nights. Troops destroy highways, and bomb the outskirts of the city for terrorist hide-outs.
2014: Italy praises the latest Iranian president for modernizing Iran and establishes a seprate alliance with them.
2015: Begin game.

Only mention in the history noting that Italy had nukes. If you developed them, you need to put it in your history, so other's can say that you did. Secret or not, it needs to be in there somewhere.

And don't take this criticism as a mark of "WHAT A NOOB" - more of "KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK *crack whip*". I really want to see more people in here - but I want it to be good (as I am certain that you do too). It's all a great work; it's just a matter of compatibility now. Right now, if you manage to squeeze the coup with the start of a nuclear program that leads to the bomb in Tehran, it becomes more believable.

Sorry, but I also knew very recently about this rp of the world in 2015 and if you need to post about a communist takeover (or a drastic politic change in any way) in Italy you should know a little about Italian politic stage (I don`t mean you should be an expert on that) and a communist takeover won`t make any happy the italian population for the main issue in Italy is like I said the lack of productivity and the public debt (which is more than the nation`s GDP). Also, there is no president Gurio. the president is Giorgio Napolitano (who is a former communist and now a member of the PDS) and the prime minister is Romano Prodi, head of a coalition called "the Union".
Ukraine is much difficult to know than Italy and I only took the nation after reading a little about it....

Same here, Montegrande. I know who the president and prime minster are. I jsut put Gurio in there because it's shorter and I didn't know who it was at the time. So I switched one name with another, I get it.

Thank you, Choeson. A good comment. I'll fix it up a little.

I have serious doubts about Italy doing anything but laying down and dying. It's undergoing a demographic shift in the wrong direction, has an enormous and ever-growing debt exceeding 1 year's GDP, and has its international competitiveness ranked below *Botswana*. One would do well to rethink this history, maybe throw in getting booted out of the euro-zone or something.

That´s what I said, The Safavids... Italy is undergoing a long scale chrisis (with a giant public debt and little productivity, I think Italy is the less productive economy in the Europe Union) since the 1990 s(it´s hard to say it, but the italian political scene, including their welfare state was negatively changed but the defeat of socialism. In the practice, the First Republic is over, but in 15 years there is no new order to replace it, and I think only this issues are quite more interesting than a communist takeover or something like that....)

All the official figures about Italy are massivley distorted by the vast size of its "black" economy. Italian politics and governance at all levelss is beset by endemic corruption. tax evasion is a huge problem so althought it is a developed nation with a powerful economy it is hopelessly mismanaged. Good luck with it.

Look, we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if they will stay in debt or get out of it. So stop acting like you know! "Oh, Italy is very mismanged with a debt bigger than a freiking number." Jeez. Too many RPGs are like this: Everything has to be realistic. This is why I quit RPGS. I may just give up on this because the dude who's supposed to verify me hasn't said anything, and everyone else wants it to be freiking 100% realistic!

I'm sorry, but I don't know about other countries debts and crap. I don't even know of my own countries debts! I just look at the good and fun stuff.

A lot of things are possible, but not much are probable, and the debt (because it is more than 1 years GDP) will stay there for a long time, I guess, and it doesn´t have to be absolutely real the RPG, but I think it needs to have certain verosimilitude, and if the changes are drastic, you have to invent for them a reason, and if there IS no reason for a communist takeover(like in the current italian situation), so you have to invent it if you want to do it, but I would do the current problems of Italy, because in first place it´s more original than a communist takeover and in second place, the italian chrisis is interesting, as the french, the british or the german situation, even being western democracies...
Also, because of probability matters, a communist takeover in Italy in 2007 seems not only unprobable, but nearly imposssible for the reasons mentioned and repeated.