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North America E20 (closed)

Galveston Bay
26-07-2006, 21:56
The USA and Canada broke apart peacefully in the 1964-65 period as a result of stresses caused by the Twilight War

USA -- NPC (for the moment)
Old Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432822
New Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481348

New England -- Hallad
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492909


main E20 Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472407

Nations of North America 1970
Columbia
Flag is this http://flagspot.net/flags/spc.html but with only 12 stars)
Capital: Olympia
(former states of CA, WA, OR, NV, AZ, HI, Polynesia, Alaska, plus former British Columbia, Yukon Territory also includes Marshal Islands, Caroline Islands, Marianas Islands, Line Islands)

New England
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/rossflag.gif
Capital: Augusta
(former New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Isle, ME, MA, NH, VT, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA, DE)

Dixie Republic
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/scross.gif
Capital: Atlanta
(former MD, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, FL, LA, AR, TN, KY, plus Virgin Islands (RL American Virgin Islands)

Republic of Texas
Flag is this http://t-e-x-a-s.stores.yahoo.net/texsecrep18.html
Capital: Austin (former TX, OK, NM)

Republic of Huron
Flag is this http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=new_shiron
Capital: Windsor
(former ND, SD, NB, KS, MO, IA, MN, MI, IL, IN, IA, OH, WV, plus Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Ontario)

Quebec
Capital Quebec (city)
(former Quebec plus St Pierre and Miqoelon Islands, which Canada took from France in 2nd Great War)

Colorado Free State
Flag is http://www.flagfocus.info/worldflags-large/flag-colorado.gif
Capital is Colorado Springs
(former CO)

Deseret
Capital is Salt Lake City
Flag is a yellow beehive on a blue background
(former Utah)

Rocky Mountain Free States
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/gadsden.gif
Capital is Cheyenne
(former WY, ID, MT)

Newfoundland
Joins UK,
Capital St. John

Puerto Rico
Capital is San Juan
Galveston Bay
26-07-2006, 21:56
North America 1965 -69 Time of Change

The first act of the new governments, which expanded when Canada broke up, was the reaffirming of NORAD and creation of an economic union on many fiscal and financial matters, particularly trade. NORAD consists of personnel from all North American military commands and its command center is Cheyenne Mountain, the Colorado Free State.

The NORAD administrative offices are in Colorado Springs, as is the Economic and Trade Committee (members from each nation). NORAD also operates unofficially a centralized intelligence service, called the Institute of Esoteric Studies, a branch of the North American Science Foundation, which handles North American research facilities and bases in the Antarctica and Arctic. The IES acts in all respects as the former CIA, but on a smaller scale and more flexibly. Satellite and SIGNET and codebreaking is handled by the Union Space Force through its Office of Earth and Space Sciences in the rather large Geophysical Sciences and Space Communications Research Divisions. Each military force has its own military intelligence sections, and each government has its own internal anti spying force. For example in Texas, the Texas Rangers handle that function, while in Huron, the Huron Mounted Police (holdovers from the RCMP) do so. In the Colorado and Rocky Mountain Free States as well as Columbia, the Marshal Service is responsible, while in Dixie, New England and Deseret, special sections of former state police forces do so, called in all three cases, the Special Investigations Service.

The old US and Canadian embassies and consulates world wide remain assigned to New England and Huron, except in those nations that broke off relations with the US, in which case Huron operates them (as it has most of Canada) in old Canadian embassy buildings. The other nations maintain interests sections for the short term in those old buildings.

Foreign consulates and embassies are allowed in the capitals of each nation as normal under international law, but have to pay for them themselves. Temporary interests sections are provided if money problems prevent immediate creation of a formal embassy.

Some of the new nations did not have Mints, and so for now are contracting with the old US and Canadian mints to handle their currency needs. The old Federal Reserve Banks are now part of the Economic Union, and the Federal Reserve Chairman is appointed by a majority of the Union representatives every 10 years.

All of the new nations were required to reaffirm the most of the old US Bill of Rights (some matters, like Gun Control, were left to individual nations) as well as several of the old US Constitutional amendments (women’s right to vote, no slavery, etc) but only basic civil rights under those old laws were required. As far as any other governmental structures are concerned, each nation is free to act as it wants. So for example, Deseret limits the right to vote to members of the Church of Latter Day Saints, while the Colorado Free State only allows veterans the right to vote but everyone has equal protection under the law in both countries. New England kept the old US Constitution, while the other nations came up with variations (Dixie adopted most of the old CSA Constitution, except for the parts regarding slavery).
Galveston Bay
26-07-2006, 21:57
NORAD and Union Space Force assets

Assets:
Cheyenne Mountain Command Center (fortress), HQ for NORAD, Union Space Force (also mission control)
Union Space Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colorado Free State (training for space crew)
Union War College, West Point, NY, New England (advanced training for army officers)
Union Naval College, Annapolis, MD, Dixie (advanced training for naval officers)
Manned Space Flight Center, Houston, Texas (astronaut mission training and computer operations)
Marshal Flight Center, Huntsville, AL, Dixie (development center)
Edwards Flight Center, Mojave, CA, Columbia (shuttle operations, flight test)
Langley Flight Center, Newport News, VA, Dixie (development center)
Moffet Flight Center, San Jose, CA, Columbia (development center)
Goddard Flight Center, Cape Canaveral, FL, Dixie (space launch center)
Vandenburg Flight Center, Lompoc, CA, Columbia (space launch center)
White Sands Flight Center, Alamagordo, NM, Texas (shuttle operations, flight test)
Nellis / Western Nevada / China Lake Aviation exercise area (Top Gun School)
Ft. Irwin Desert Training center (National Training Center), Columbia
Ft Polk Training center (National Training Center), Dixie
Churchill Proving ground (National Training Center), Huron

Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project, has completed research for tech level 8 Space Shuttle program

Space Tracking stations at Guam, Hawaii, California, Colorado, West Virginia, Iceland, Moscow, Omsk, Alaska, Tahiti, Australia, Diego Garcia, Liberia, Argentina

Science research bases at South Pole (Amuldson Scott base), Palmer Station (Palmer peninsula), McMurdo Station (Ross Island),

Major Continental defense radar stations in Alaska, Huron, New England, Columbia, Dixie and Texas

USF assets: (74 points a year)
Improved spy satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Improved Communications satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Early Warning satellites (both hemispheres) 6 points
1 SR71 squadron, 1 elite pilot (officially astronaut trainers) 3.5 points
3 RC135 squadrons, 3 elite pilots (officially mobile tracking stations) 7.5 points
3 KC135 squadrons, 3 elite pilot, 2.25 points
Institute of Esoteric Knowledge 10 points (spy service from old CIA)
3 T38 trainer squadrons, 3 elite pilots, 2.25 points
maintenance on Cheyenne Mountain 1 point
maintenance on global space tracking system 5 points
maintenance on North American Air Defense Warning System 5 points
3 E3 AEW squadrons (supplement radar lines), 3 elite pilots 10.5 points
Spaceplane upkeep for 1 X20 (remaining 3 X20s and 2 X15s in desert storage)
Maintain improved communication satellite networks for Brazil, Mexico,
Nuclear weapons program research and development (ongoing) 6 points

NORAD maintains the following mercenary units on retainer: 11.25 points
Flying Tigers: 5 elite pilots, 3 F15A squadrons, 1 helicopter gunship squadron, 1 KC135 squadron 4.75 points
Green Berets: 3 handpicked special operations light infantry battalions, 3.75 points
Hammers Slammers: 1 elite armored brigade (equipped with the new M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley IFVs) .75 points
Crandall’s Crusaders: 1 helicopter gunship squadron, 1 transport helicopter squadron, 2 elite pilots, 2 points
Tuskegee Wing - 3 F4G squadrons, 1 attack helicopter squadron, 1 KC135, 5 elite pilots (specialize in ground attack missions) 4.75 points
Air America - 4 C123 squadrons, 2 C130 squadrons, 6 elite pilots, 3 points

National forces provide interceptor, fighter, tanker and AEW support to ensure defense of North America, Caribbean, Eastern Pacific, Gulf of Mexico and Eastern Atlantic

Special note: The mercenary units are all volunteer units, with some active duty personnel on temporary loan, while the remainder tend to be maverick types who don’t do well in the peacetime military
NORAD and USF budget 1965 -70

Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project

NORAD mothball fleet
Heavy carriers Lexington, Yorktown, Saratoga, Valley Forge (historical Midway class), battleships Missouri, Iowa, New Jersey, Wisconsin plus musuem battleships North Carolina, Alabama, Washington, Massachusetts

1965 87.5 points
1966 113.6 points
1967 122.6 points
1968 125.15 points
1969 125.15 points
1970

Space Activity Twilight Years
1965
1 X20 Mission for practice, no other missions other then routine satellite launches, both MOLs are intentionally reentered and burn up over the Pacific Ocean
1966
Apollo 8 manned mission to orbit Moon (15 points) in June, 3 manned X20 missions (practice)
1967
Apollo 9 manned mission to orbit Moon in March, Apollo 10 manned mission to orbit Moon (mission fails, but successful return) in September, 2 X20 missions
1968
Apollo 11 manned mission to land on Moon (July), Apollo 12 manned mission to land on Moon (October), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 1 of 2), 1 X20 mission (practice)
1969
Apollo 13 manned mission to land on Moon (March)(mission fails but crew successfully returns) , Apollo 14 manned mission to land on Moon (August), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 2 of 2), 2 X20 missions (practice), 3 points on science satellite missions (climate check)
1970
construction space shuttle Enterprise, 1 mission of Space shuttle Enterprise (practice), X20 now just an emergency rescue vehicle, more are being considered
Galveston Bay
26-07-2006, 21:57
NPC nations budgets
Huron
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11442568&postcount=233

Texas
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11438832&postcount=229

Dixie
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11438502&postcount=228

New England
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11431883&postcount=226

Columbia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11431379&postcount=225

all others
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11437084&postcount=227
Sukiaida
26-07-2006, 22:03
The Philippines wonders if Puerto Rico would not mind the UIP setting up an embassy at our cost in San Juan. (Seeing as our former President was half Puerto Rican and other reasons it's the only former US country that would be really asked.)
Galveston Bay
26-07-2006, 22:35
The Philippines wonders if Puerto Rico would not mind the UIP setting up an embassy at our cost in San Juan. (Seeing as our former President was half Puerto Rican and other reasons it's the only former US country that would be really asked.)

Puerto Rico agrees, and its Embassy (the former US embassy) will handle North American affairs in the Philippines.
[NS]Parthini
26-07-2006, 23:06
Germany asks to set up additional embassies in Dixie and Texas citing the large amounts of German immigrants living there.
Sukiaida
26-07-2006, 23:09
The UIP thanks it's friend from across the sea, and will be sending our ambassador's over shortly.
The Lightning Star
27-07-2006, 00:40
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11410279

Quebec thread. I put this up quite a while ago...
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 00:43
Parthini']Germany asks to set up additional embassies in Dixie and Texas citing the large amounts of German immigrants living there.

Huron and New England, both of which have very large German American populations (Milwaukee, Chicago, New York City, a lot of PA) are both mildly offended

ooc
you mean consulates, not embassies.. You only usually get one Embassy per country and usually 2 -5 consulates depending on the size of the country involved.
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 00:45
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11410279

Quebec thread. I put this up quite a while ago...

copy and paste the budget and economic information for Quebec at the start of your thread, and post it there from now on please. You won't have to do builds until 1971 as budget is from previous government after all
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 00:47
The UIP also asks Cuba for an embassy there, and notes it's later request to some of the older members still in government who still resented Cuban independence in 1898. The government apologizes on their part, and wishes that old rivalries that are almost a century old can be buried.

The UIP also sends an emmissary to the Dominican Republic, and admits they simply forgot to include them in, and apologizes for the oversight. It also requests an embassy.

The Filipino Historical Society makes a request to whichever former US country has it, and wonders if the USS Olympic might be for sale. Hopes are that it has not been scrapped yet as they wish to have the ship as a floating museum for when Spanish Occupation ended, and before US occupation started.
The Lightning Star
27-07-2006, 00:52
copy and paste the budget and economic information for Quebec at the start of your thread, and post it there from now on please. You won't have to do builds until 1971 as budget is from previous government after all

Don't put it on the Economic thread?!?
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 01:20
NORAD and USF budget 1965 -70

Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project

1965 81.5 points
1966 106.6 points
1967 116.6 points
1968 119.15 points
1969 119.15 points
1970 100.5 Columbia, Dixie, Deseret excused that year to pay other costs

Assets:
2 MOLs (Yankee and Dixie station), 4 X20s, 2 X15s, spy satellite network, communications satellite network, early warning satellite network (networks cover both hemispheres and 1 MOL over each hemisphere) plus 1 SR71 wing, 1 RC135 wing, 1 KC 135 wing, 1 T38 wing, 1 E3 wing, hardened command center, space tracking system, early warning radar system

Ongoing costs 65-70
Improved spy satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Improved Communications satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Early Warning satellites (both hemispheres) 6 points
1 SR71 Wing, 1 elite pilot (officially astronaut trainers) 5.75 1 point
1 RC135 Wing, 1 elite pilot (officially mobile tracking stations) 5.75 point
1 KC135 Wing, 1 elite pilot (to fuel both wings) 1 point
Institute of Esoteric Knowledge 10 points (spy service from old CIA) 10.25 points
1 T38 trainer unit, 1 elite pilot 1 point
maintenance on Cheyenne Mountain 1 point
maintenance on global space tracking system 5 points
maintenance on North American Air Defense Warning System 5 points
1 E3 AEW unit, 1 elite pilot 5.75
Spaceplane upkeep for 1 X20 (remaining 3 X20s and 2 X15s in desert storage)
75 points a year

1965
1 X20 Mission for practice, no other missions other then routine satellite launches, both MOLs are intentionally reentered and burn up over the Pacific Ocean
1966
Apollo 8 manned mission to orbit Moon (15 points) in June, 3 manned X20 missions (practice)
1967
Apollo 9 manned mission to orbit Moon in March, Apollo 10 manned mission to orbit Moon (mission fails, but successful return) in September, 2 X20 missions
1968
Apollo 11 manned mission to land on Moon (July), Apollo 12 manned mission to land on Moon (October), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 1 of 2), 1 X20 mission (practice)
1969
Apollo 13 manned mission to land on Moon (March)(mission fails but crew successfully returns) , Apollo 14 manned mission to land on Moon (August), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 2 of 2), 2 X20 missions (practice), 3 points on science satellite missions (climate check)
1970
construction space shuttle Enterprise, 1 mission of Space shuttle Enterprise (practice), X20 now just an emergency rescue vehicle

Admiral Heinlein is a busy boy
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 01:21
Don't put it on the Economic thread?!?

no, its hard to find there
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 01:22
The UIP also asks Cuba for an embassy there, and notes it's later request to some of the older members still in government who still resented Cuban independence in 1898. The government apologizes on their part, and wishes that old rivalries that are almost a century old can be buried.

The UIP also sends an emmissary to the Dominican Republic, and admits they simply forgot to include them in, and apologizes for the oversight. It also requests an embassy.

The Filipino Historical Society makes a request to whichever former US country has it, and wonders if the USS Olympic might be for sale. Hopes are that it has not been scrapped yet as they wish to have the ship as a floating museum for when Spanish Occupation ended, and before US occupation started.

Cuba and Dominican Republic have no objections

the City of Olympia Washington says no
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 01:24
Alright, the UIP sets up Embassies there.

The FHS asks the City of Olympia, Washington if they wouldn't mind consolidating artifacts for a "Battle of Manila" moving exhibit that could be seen anywhere desired.
[NS]Parthini
27-07-2006, 02:05
[QUOTE=Galveston Bay]
The old US and Canadian embassies and consulates world wide remain assigned to New England and Huron, except in those nations that broke off relations with the US, in which case Huron operates them (as it has most of Canada) in old Canadian embassy buildings. The other nations maintain interests sections for the short term in those old buildings.

Foreign consulates and embassies are allowed in the capitals of each nation as normal under international law, but have to pay for them themselves. Temporary interests sections are provided if money problems prevent immediate creation of a formal embassy.
QUOTE]

I thought that I already, due to me having embassies in DC and Ottawa pre-breakup had embassies in Huron and New England.
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 07:46
Parthini'][QUOTE=Galveston Bay]
The old US and Canadian embassies and consulates world wide remain assigned to New England and Huron, except in those nations that broke off relations with the US, in which case Huron operates them (as it has most of Canada) in old Canadian embassy buildings. The other nations maintain interests sections for the short term in those old buildings.

Foreign consulates and embassies are allowed in the capitals of each nation as normal under international law, but have to pay for them themselves. Temporary interests sections are provided if money problems prevent immediate creation of a formal embassy.
QUOTE]

I thought that I already, due to me having embassies in DC and Ottawa pre-breakup had embassies in Huron and New England.

DC is in Dixie now, and is mostly a musuem city.. the capital of Dixie is Atlanta, while Ottowa reverted to just to capital of Ontario, as the national capital of Huron is Windsor, right across the river from Detroit, and therefore a useful place for a Federal District.
[NS]Parthini
27-07-2006, 07:50
OOC: Well that accounts for a lot.

IC: The German Empire asks to establish consolates/embassies in Dixie, New England, Texas and Huron citing large German-American groups and wishing to establish closer ties.
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 07:50
Alright, the UIP sets up Embassies there.

The FHS asks the City of Olympia, Washington if they wouldn't mind consolidating artifacts for a "Battle of Manila" moving exhibit that could be seen anywhere desired.

somewhat annoyed by the Filipino request, which is viewed with suspecion considering Filipino government statements since the years prior to the Twilight War (many Americans consider the Filipino government to have joined the SCT and betrayed the US), the Legislature in Washington funds a special unit citation for Oregon National Guard units that served in the Filipino Insurrection. A number of liberal and moderate groups are appalled.

ooc
spiteful, but not an untypical American reaction. Remember the West Coast is the area that has the most racism regarding Asians historically and it wasn't all that long ago that Seperate but Equal applied to Asians in Western States
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 07:51
Parthini']OOC: Well that accounts for a lot.

IC: The German Empire asks to establish consolates/embassies in Dixie, New England, Texas and Huron citing large German-American groups and wishing to establish closer ties.

ooc
chuckle

IC
That is allowed and warmly accepted
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 08:05
ooc
incidently, still tinkering some with North America, so its not done yet
Amestria
27-07-2006, 08:05
1968: The Republic of India asks the relevant organizations if it could purchase a wing of F15A Eagle air combat fighter planes from Columbia.
Galveston Bay
27-07-2006, 08:31
1968: The Republic of India asks the relevant organizations if it could purchase a wing of F15A Eagle air combat fighter planes from Columbia.

NORAD agreement is that F15 and F14, along with B1 and cruise missiles, as well as old B52s, will not be sold outside of North America.

However, in the event of a war in which India is attacked by an aggressor, the Flying Tigers are available for service for a fee, and they will have F15As
Amestria
27-07-2006, 11:02
However, in the event of a war in which India is attacked by an aggressor, the Flying Tigers are available for service for a fee, and they will have F15As

India inquires how much such services would cost, whether or not there are differing levels of service depending upon the situation and amount paid, and what sort of payment plans exist (monthly payments/yearly payments/one time payments?).

It is also inquired, cash sometimes being hard to come by suddenly in an unforeseen invasion or attack, whether the Flying Tigers would accept payment in advance or accept delayed or partial payment.
Whittlesfield
27-07-2006, 11:21
OOC - Do I count as North American in terms of NORAD? Because I was investing in it pre-Twilight War.
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 17:41
(I understand. Of course a Historical Society sees itself seperate from political groups, unfortunitly alot of Historical Artifacts are owned by politicals groups.)

The FHS ignores the strange reaction in their eyes and offers a Admiral Perry (I think that was the one) artifact collection from when he stayed in Manila as a trade for the use of certain artifacts.

The FHS also starts to discuss dredging Manila bay to raise some of the Spanish ships. (Last time I checked they were never actually raised and to my knowledge still remain in the bay today.)
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 17:46
Rumania aks permission to establish embassies in Texas, New England, Dixie, and Columbia.

aren't you Nigeria?
Rodenka
27-07-2006, 17:56
Rumania inquires as to the possiblity of establishing embassies with the new American states.
Ottoman Khaif
29-07-2006, 00:17
The Brazilian government ask if the NORAD agreement covers them on this matter, if so..We would like a number of F15 and F14s.
Elephantum
29-07-2006, 01:47
Russia, wishing to continue its strong ties with the American people, would like to (re-)establish full diplomatic ties with all former American and Canadian nations. Those nations (like Huron) who wish to continue the mutual defense pact are free to do so, but we have no objections to the ties being dropped. However, we would like to continue cooperation in other areas (economic, scientific, etc.) regardless.

EDIT: Russia also enquires about military sales. While the America's can produce just about everything they need, just about any aircraft (even Yak 38's, as they don't get the Harrier) will be available to the US, as will land designs. Russia would like to know what air/naval designs would be available for purchase in later years (if any).
Safehaven2
29-07-2006, 01:52
tag
Cylea
01-08-2006, 01:16
NORAD and USF budget 1965 -70

Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project

1965 81.5 points
1966 106.6 points
1967 116.6 points
1968 119.15 points
1969 119.15 points
1970 100.5 Columbia, Dixie, Deseret excused that year to pay other costs

Assets:
2 MOLs (Yankee and Dixie station), 4 X20s, 2 X15s, spy satellite network, communications satellite network, early warning satellite network (networks cover both hemispheres and 1 MOL over each hemisphere) plus 1 SR71 wing, 1 RC135 wing, 1 KC 135 wing, 1 T38 wing, 1 E3 wing, hardened command center, space tracking system, early warning radar system

Ongoing costs 65-70
Improved spy satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Improved Communications satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Early Warning satellites (both hemispheres) 6 points
1 SR71 Wing, 1 elite pilot (officially astronaut trainers) 5.75 1 point
1 RC135 Wing, 1 elite pilot (officially mobile tracking stations) 5.75 point
1 KC135 Wing, 1 elite pilot (to fuel both wings) 1 point
Institute of Esoteric Knowledge 10 points (spy service from old CIA) 10.25 points
1 T38 trainer unit, 1 elite pilot 1 point
maintenance on Cheyenne Mountain 1 point
maintenance on global space tracking system 5 points
maintenance on North American Air Defense Warning System 5 points
1 E3 AEW unit, 1 elite pilot 5.75
Spaceplane upkeep for 1 X20 (remaining 3 X20s and 2 X15s in desert storage)
75 points a year

1965
1 X20 Mission for practice, no other missions other then routine satellite launches, both MOLs are intentionally reentered and burn up over the Pacific Ocean
1966
Apollo 8 manned mission to orbit Moon (15 points) in June, 3 manned X20 missions (practice)
1967
Apollo 9 manned mission to orbit Moon in March, Apollo 10 manned mission to orbit Moon (mission fails, but successful return) in September, 2 X20 missions
1968
Apollo 11 manned mission to land on Moon (July), Apollo 12 manned mission to land on Moon (October), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 1 of 2), 1 X20 mission (practice)
1969
Apollo 13 manned mission to land on Moon (March)(mission fails but crew successfully returns) , Apollo 14 manned mission to land on Moon (August), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 2 of 2), 2 X20 missions (practice), 3 points on science satellite missions (climate check)
1970
construction space shuttle Enterprise, 1 mission of Space shuttle Enterprise (practice), X20 now just an emergency rescue vehicle

Australasia is providing 5 points a year to the USF starting in 1970 to assist in the upkeep of its satellite network and is still very interested in maintaining space exploration ties if they are avaliable.

In addition (if this wasnt already clear) the nation establishes relations with all new nations in North America.
Malkyer
01-08-2006, 01:31
The Republic of South Africa wishes to establish full diplomatic ties with the various North American nations, and hopes that the RSA can continue the good relations it maintained with the former USA until the all-to-tragic Twilight War.

(OOC: Not sure if SA has already done so; either way, this makes it official.)

Secretly, elements of the governments of Texas, Colorado, Dixie, and the Rocky Mountain Free States are contacted by an organization which has avoided the limelight, so to speak, for several decades. The Afrikaner Broederbond has a proposal for said nations...

(OOC: I'll send you a TG when you get back.)
Whittlesfield
01-08-2006, 12:28
EUC would like to continue Mexico's role in participating in NORAD and the North American space programme.
Galveston Bay
04-08-2006, 07:53
1969
Colorado legalizes marijuana use and sale along the same lines as liquor. Also legalized is casino gambling (at the Indian Reservations) and prostitution under certain conditions.

The Rocky Mountain Free States pass similar laws.
Galveston Bay
04-08-2006, 21:48
Other events in North America during the Twilight Years

The massive drought essentially brings an end to open range dry farming between the 100th Meridian and the West Coast. Rainfall as little as 4 inches a year makes that area a desert, and dry winters reduce the amount of water available for irrigation in any case.

http://geography.about.com/od/learnabouttheearth/a/100thmeridian.htm
http://www.uta.edu/biology/cbmr/100th.html

Essentially wheat farming in the Texas panhandle, western Oklahoma, western Nebraska, the Dakotas, Manitoba, the Rocky Mountain Free States and Colorado Free States ends.

Dry conditions also make ranching difficult, but government programs bring about consolidation of ranching into the huge ranches common during the 19th Century, and the Native Americans also end up with substantially larger reservation areas in Huron particularly. Buffalo and the cross breed Buffalo/Cattle strain known as Beefalo see introduction on a massive scale.

Many people leave these areas during this time or move to larger cities, and the urban areas in the Great Plains west of the 100th Meridian become islands of civilization surrounded by vast expanses of open range.
Ottoman Khaif
05-08-2006, 00:06
GB..I was wondering...is Brazil apart of NORAD space program...if not could it join?'
Whittlesfield
05-08-2006, 00:11
Starting from 1970, the EUC will be investing in NORAD.
Galveston Bay
05-08-2006, 00:12
GB..I was wondering...is Brazil apart of NORAD space program...if not could it join?'

its never been part of NORAD but could join yes.. figure 6 points a year from Brazil to join, and it will need to dedicate a fighter interceptor wing toward Hemispheric defense
Ottoman Khaif
05-08-2006, 00:14
its never been part of NORAD but could join yes.. figure 6 points a year from Brazil to join, and it will need to dedicate a fighter interceptor wing toward Hemispheric defense
Agreed, Brazil will accept these terms and start funding for the agency by 1971.
Malkyer
05-08-2006, 00:39
GB, check your TGs. I sent you two.
The Lightning Star
07-08-2006, 16:49
OOC: Am I in NORAD? I assume I am, but I'm not sure.
Whittlesfield
07-08-2006, 16:54
EUC has invested 5 points in NORAD in 1970.
Galveston Bay
07-08-2006, 17:05
OOC: Am I in NORAD? I assume I am, but I'm not sure.

yes, all North American nations are in NORAD.. read the first post in this thread regarding details
Galveston Bay
08-08-2006, 21:55
NORAD and Union Space Force assets

Assets:
Cheyenne Mountain Command Center (fortress), HQ for NORAD, Union Space Force (also mission control)
Union Space Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colorado Free State (training for space crew)
Union War College, West Point, NY, New England (advanced training for army officers)
Union Naval College, Annapolis, MD, Dixie (advanced training for naval officers)
Manned Space Flight Center, Houston, Texas (astronaut mission training and computer operations)
Marshal Flight Center, Huntsville, AL, Dixie (development center)
Edwards Flight Center, Mojave, CA, Columbia (shuttle operations, flight test)
Langley Flight Center, Newport News, VA, Dixie (development center)
Moffet Flight Center, San Jose, CA, Columbia (development center)
Goddard Flight Center, Cape Canaveral, FL, Dixie (space launch center)
Vandenburg Flight Center, Lompoc, CA, Columbia (space launch center)
White Sands Flight Center, Alamagordo, NM, Texas (shuttle operations, flight test)
Nellis / Western Nevada / China Lake Aviation exercise area (Top Gun School)
Ft. Irwin Desert Training center (National Training Center), Columbia
Ft Polk Training center (National Training Center), Dixie
Churchill Proving ground (National Training Center), Huron

Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project, has completed research for tech level 8 Space Shuttle program

Space Tracking stations at Guam, Hawaii, California, Colorado, West Virginia, Iceland, Moscow, Omsk, Alaska, Tahiti, Australia, Diego Garcia, Liberia, Argentina

Science research bases at South Pole (Amuldson Scott base), Palmer Station (Palmer peninsula), McMurdo Station (Ross Island),

Major Continental defense radar stations in Alaska, Huron, New England, Columbia, Dixie and Texas

USF assets: (68 points a year)
Improved spy satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Improved Communications satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Early Warning satellites (both hemispheres) 6 points
1 SR71 squadron, 1 elite pilot (officially astronaut trainers) 3.5 points
3 RC135 squadrons, 3 elite pilots (officially mobile tracking stations) 7.5 points
3 KC135 squadrons, 3 elite pilot, 2.25 points
Institute of Esoteric Knowledge 10 points (spy service from old CIA)
3 T38 trainer squadrons, 3 elite pilots, 2.25 points
maintenance on Cheyenne Mountain 1 point
maintenance on global space tracking system 5 points
maintenance on North American Air Defense Warning System 5 points
3 E3 AEW squadrons (supplement radar lines), 3 elite pilots 10.5 points
Spaceplane upkeep for 1 X20 (remaining 3 X20s and 2 X15s in desert storage)
Maintain improved communication satellite networks for Brazil, Mexico,

NORAD maintains the following mercenary units on retainer: 11.25 points
Flying Tigers: 5 elite pilots, 3 F15A squadrons, 1 helicopter gunship squadron, 1 KC135 squadron 4.75 points
Green Berets: 3 handpicked special operations light infantry battalions, 3.75 points
Hammers Slammers: 1 elite armored brigade (equipped with the new M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley IFVs) .75 points
Crandall’s Crusaders: 1 helicopter gunship squadron, 1 transport helicopter squadron, 2 elite pilots, 2 points
Tuskegee Wing - 3 F4G squadrons, 1 attack helicopter squadron, 1 KC135, 5 elite pilots (specialize in ground attack missions) 4.75 points
Air America - 4 C123 squadrons, 2 C130 squadrons, 6 elite pilots, 3 points

National forces provide interceptor, fighter, tanker and AEW support to ensure defense of North America, Caribbean, Eastern Pacific, Gulf of Mexico and Eastern Atlantic

Special note: The mercenary units are all volunteer units, with some active duty personnel on temporary loan, while the remainder tend to be maverick types who don’t do well in the peacetime military
NORAD and USF budget 1965 -70

Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project

NORAD mothball fleet
Heavy carriers Yorktown, Lexington, Valley Forge, Saratoga (historical Midway class) George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, battleships Missouri, Iowa, New Jersey, Wisconsin plus musuem battleships North Carolina, Alabama, Washington, Massachusetts



note the mercenary units
Artitsa
08-08-2006, 22:07
FNS will be sending 14 points to the NORAD Space Agency and what not.
Galveston Bay
08-08-2006, 22:25
FNS will be sending 14 points to the NORAD Space Agency and what not.

ooc
is that seperate from your satellite launches or to pay for them... if seperate, the money will be used for research purposes (GPS and digital spy satellites)
Artitsa
08-08-2006, 22:41
ooc: I was assuming we were still sharing everything? If thats not the case then use them for my satellites. If that IS the case, then research.
Galveston Bay
08-08-2006, 22:50
ooc: I was assuming we were still sharing everything? If thats not the case then use them for my satellites. If that IS the case, then research.

have to be the satellites then, as the North Americans couldn't afford to fund it otherwise

at least until the better satellites come along
The Lightning Star
08-08-2006, 23:00
Quebec has donated a grand total of 1.15 points in 1971
Galveston Bay
08-08-2006, 23:01
Dixie, Texas and Huron decide to revise their 1970 budgets and continue national effort spending for one more year due to the tensions in the world that continue in spite of the world having just recovered from the worst war in human history.

Some social costs occur however. In Dixie, the Reverand Martin Luther King begins leading marches protesting the continued de facto segragration policies in housing and education that continue, and the continued deficit spending that is hurting the ability of people to obtain mortgages.

In Texas, the larger budget only comes about because of a compromise that gives the conservatives prayer in schools, sharp limits on abortions, and ending of Texas defense treaty with Congo and Liberia (ooc the racists got a victory)

In Huron, the budget passes but only because considerable buy backs were included to essentially buy out the dispossessed farmers and ranchers from west of the 100th Meridian, conversion of much of that now federal land into national parks and other green policies.
Ottoman Khaif
08-08-2006, 23:05
Brazil donated a grand total of 8 points to NORAD Space Agency
Malkyer
09-08-2006, 03:54
note the mercenary units

OOC: You should make a light infantry merc unit called Falkenberg's Legion. I would hire them even though I don't need them.

IC: South Africa inquires to Dixie as to the possibility of purchasing two squadrons of A6 Intruders.
Lesser Ribena
09-08-2006, 13:03
Following the failure to secure an export licence for the B1 bomber due to the disapproval of NORAD, Britain requests secondary membership in NORAD for the Newfoundland province only. The RADAR and aair defence measures there would be combined with other NORAD nations to better defend the entire continent. Great Britain would remain outside of the network and only Newfoundland would benefit from this, Britain does not want the people of Newfoundland to suffer from poorer air defence systems simply because of the fragmentation of North America.

It is noted that Britain has decided to pursue a home built intercontinental bomber and has requested a bid from the British Aerospace Corporation. Furthermore exports of military technology to NORAD nations has been restricted and will be approved only on a case by case basis by the Ministry of Defence instead of being automatically approved as previously.
Whittlesfield
09-08-2006, 13:06
Central America presses UK's case, and points out that the interceptor unit based at RAF Belize could be used to help NORAD.
Galveston Bay
09-08-2006, 16:01
Following the failure to secure an export licence for the B1 bomber due to the disapproval of NORAD, Britain requests secondary membership in NORAD for the Newfoundland province only. The RADAR and aair defence measures there would be combined with other NORAD nations to better defend the entire continent. Great Britain would remain outside of the network and only Newfoundland would benefit from this, Britain does not want the people of Newfoundland to suffer from poorer air defence systems simply because of the fragmentation of North America.

It is noted that Britain has decided to pursue a home built intercontinental bomber and has requested a bid from the British Aerospace Corporation. Furthermore exports of military technology to NORAD nations has been restricted and will be approved only on a case by case basis by the Ministry of Defence instead of being automatically approved as previously.

Dixie, Texas, Colorado, Huron, and the Rocky Mountain Free States approve entry of the UK into NORAD (which is enough votes).
Galveston Bay
09-08-2006, 16:02
OOC: You should make a light infantry merc unit called Falkenberg's Legion. I would hire them even though I don't need them.

IC: South Africa inquires to Dixie as to the possibility of purchasing two squadrons of A6 Intruders.

The sale of A6 Intruders to South Africa is approved.
Lesser Ribena
09-08-2006, 16:56
Britain thanks NORAD for its assistance but notes that Britain has withdrawn from RAF Belize following that nation's independence. However there will shortly (1971) be a Tornado and F4G squadron based in Newfoundland which will work alongside NORAD.

Britain requests that it be allowed to purchase 4 squadrons of A6 Intruders for Carrier duty with the Fleet Air Arm.
Galveston Bay
09-08-2006, 17:13
Britain thanks NORAD for its assistance but notes that Britain has withdrawn from RAF Belize following that nation's independence. However there will shortly (1971) be a Tornado and F4G squadron based in Newfoundland which will work alongside NORAD.

Britain requests that it be allowed to purchase 4 squadrons of A6 Intruders for Carrier duty with the Fleet Air Arm.

Dixie will cheerfully sell to the British as many A6s as it wants as long as it can purchase Sea Harriers
Whittlesfield
09-08-2006, 17:18
USCA requests that a Central American be considered for astronaut training.
Lesser Ribena
09-08-2006, 17:36
Harrier aircraft are gladly made available to Dixie in return for the A6s.
Kordo
11-08-2006, 17:29
The Arab Federation enquires the cost for purchasing the services of the following units:
Green Berets: 3 handpicked special operations light infantry battalions, 3.75 points
Hammers Slammers: 1 elite armored brigade (equipped with the new M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley IFVs) .75 points
Tuskegee Wing - 3 F4G squadrons, 1 attack helicopter squadron, 1 KC135, 5 elite pilots (specialize in ground attack missions) 4.75 points

ooc: would I just have to maitenence?
Galveston Bay
11-08-2006, 17:36
The Arab Federation enquires the cost for purchasing the services of the following units:
Green Berets: 3 handpicked special operations light infantry battalions, 3.75 points
Hammers Slammers: 1 elite armored brigade (equipped with the new M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley IFVs) .75 points
Tuskegee Wing - 3 F4G squadrons, 1 attack helicopter squadron, 1 KC135, 5 elite pilots (specialize in ground attack missions) 4.75 points

ooc: would I just have to maitenence?

Specific mission requirements and objectives are needed before agreement can be reached. Exact time frames are also needed

contracts are for 1 year

ooc
cost is maintenance x 2 (for ammunition and spares) + 1 point per unit
Galveston Bay
11-08-2006, 17:37
USCA requests that a Central American be considered for astronaut training.

ooc
a couple of Mexicans have already gone up with X20 and Gemini missions, so they will be included on the roster for future shuttle missions

the Apollo Program has currently come to an end
Abbassia
11-08-2006, 18:45
France enquires the possbility of hiring merceneries to defend Central Asia from possible Chinese Aggression.
Galveston Bay
12-08-2006, 07:44
in North America, at the meeting of the NORAD Council, the representives of the various governments discuss the possibility of Federation after it becomes clear that once again China is a threat to the peace of the world and ultimately to North America

Pictures of naval construction, massive armies invading neighbors, and evidence of Chinese arms smuggling to UIR rebels, a nation that is a democracy (albiet not exactly a Western democracy in some ways) are leaked to the press.

Op Ed pieces also begin appearing in major newspapers, magazines and comments appear on NPR and the major networks commenting on the threat China has become once again.

The nuclear detonations in Tibet only strengthen concerns

Gallup polls show that 60% of the North American people, in all nations, favor a return to a form of Federalism. This increases among some groups, like minorities in Dixie and Texas, where it reaches 90%, while even conservatives are concerned about the military threat China has become again, with 54% favoring a return to a form of Federalism to ensure a strong navy and common defense.

ooc
setting the stage for the formation of the North American Federation, essentially a EEU with greater federal powers. Safehaven will play the North American Federation when it finally emerges.
Sharina
12-08-2006, 07:57
China issues a statement to the Americans.

"As per our agreement, China is scrapping its Carrier construction. Your satellites will note that the Chinese carriers will be hauled up the Yangtze River to be dismantled into its constituent materials to be used for reconstruction efforts in Tibet and Kashgaria."
Haneastic
12-08-2006, 14:52
in North America, at the meeting of the NORAD Council, the representives of the various governments discuss the possibility of Federation after it becomes clear that once again China is a threat to the peace of the world and ultimately to North America

Pictures of naval construction, massive armies invading neighbors, and evidence of Chinese arms smuggling to UIR rebels, a nation that is a democracy (albiet not exactly a Western democracy in some ways) are leaked to the press.

Op Ed pieces also begin appearing in major newspapers, magazines and comments appear on NPR and the major networks commenting on the threat China has become once again.

The nuclear detonations in Tibet only strengthen concerns

Gallup polls show that 60% of the North American people, in all nations, favor a return to a form of Federalism. This increases among some groups, like minorities in Dixie and Texas, where it reaches 90%, while even conservatives are concerned about the military threat China has become again, with 54% favoring a return to a form of Federalism to ensure a strong navy and common defense.

ooc
setting the stage for the formation of the North American Federation, essentially a EEU with greater federal powers. Safehaven will play the North American Federation when it finally emerges.

OOC: hehe
IC:

The UIR inquires as to what forces are available for possible hire
Canadstein
12-08-2006, 16:43
The Netherlands Government would like to ask Texas the plans for the A10 Thunderbolt and the F16A for three points. Also the Netherlands ask Columbia for the plans for the F15C for two points.
Galveston Bay
13-08-2006, 22:46
revised Columbia budget

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11431379&postcount=225
Galveston Bay
13-08-2006, 23:06
Debate continues all through the summer in North America concerning a return to Federalism. Finally the North American Trade Union meets in Colorado Springs to hammer out a document to place on the November ballot in all of the nations of North America.

It passes on November 3, and by December full measures are underway.

North American Federation
initially consists of Huron, Columbia, Texas, Dixie, New England, Colorado and Rocky Mountain Free States. Quebec and Deseret intitally defer as election was too close and plan to hold another election in Spring of 1971

The Federation government consists of a Grand Senate, and the chief executive is the Chairman of the Senate and elected by that body. Elections are held every 2 years. Each nation gets 1 Senator for every 3 milllion people (minimum 3 however) and those Senators are elected by the people of those nations. Senators serve for 10 years and can serve up to 30 total. They can also be recalled by special election by their nations.

All military, diplomatic and international relations will be handled by the Federation, as well as space, intelligence and other matters that concern North America as a whole. A Supreme Court, with the members selected by the Chairman and approved by the Grand Senate will handle disputes between the nations of North America and any cases involving civil rights (in order to ensure the civil rights provesions are honored).

The first Chairman of the Senate is elected on January 3, 1971 and is Grand Senator John Tower from the Republic of Texas.
Canadstein
13-08-2006, 23:44
The Netherlands would like to obtain the rights to build the F16A and F15C.
Galveston Bay
14-08-2006, 00:10
revised Huron 1970 builds
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11442568&postcount=233

I will post the North American Federation military tomorrow, so Safehaven you should probably wait to post North American builds

Essentially, Safehaven can do all builds for North American Federation countries, but cannot go to National Effort for any economy unless referee approves (as the member states won't necessarily always agree)

He has to ensure social services remain at level 4, pay for civil defense, and maintain their national guards. Any excess funds go to North American Federation budget.

Sometimes one or more nations may decide to cut spending in order to provide more growth too.

chuckle

Dixie builds
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11438502&postcount=228
Galveston Bay
14-08-2006, 01:07
revised Texas builds

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11438832&postcount=229

more to be added here

New England
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11431883&postcount=226

as player has not acted all week, and Safehaven is going to play North American Federation, that nation is NPC

if player returns, he will be given choices to play other nations
Galveston Bay
14-08-2006, 06:33
have to post Federation military, will do that monday
The Lightning Star
14-08-2006, 06:55
Brazil contacts NORAD, asking if it may be admitted into the organization.
Koryan
14-08-2006, 07:20
Japan would like to hire the Flying Tigers and the Tuskegee Wing for extra security against Chinese imperialism in 1971. We also ask whether the mercenary units will stay avaliable when the American nations incorporate or if they will become part of the US military.

On a related note, we ask if a naval mercenary fleet will be organized (since my carrier-less fleet would get slaughtered by China's). We will be willing to sell Tech 7.5 ships to you and would be willing to hire the fleet as soon as they form.

OOC: I think it's 10.5 a piece but I'm not quite sure. Also, I'm assuming they aren't already hired. I think a naval mercenary unit would be a good idea for the poorer nations, especially in the Pacific (Indonesia and the Phillipines can't exactly build and maintain a good-sized modern battle fleet and... the Zaibatsu...)
Sharina
14-08-2006, 08:26
Japan would like to hire the Flying Tigers and the Tuskegee Wing for extra security against Chinese imperialism in 1971. We also ask whether the mercenary units will stay avaliable when the American nations incorporate or if they will become part of the US military.

On a related note, we ask if a naval mercenary fleet will be organized (since my carrier-less fleet would get slaughtered by China's). We will be willing to sell Tech 7.5 ships to you and would be willing to hire the fleet as soon as they form.

OOC: I think it's 10.5 a piece but I'm not quite sure. Also, I'm assuming they aren't already hired. I think a naval mercenary unit would be a good idea for the poorer nations, especially in the Pacific (Indonesia and the Phillipines can't exactly build and maintain a good-sized modern battle fleet and... the Zaibatsu...)

Actually, China doesn't have a Navy other than missile boats.

China scrapped its carriers as part of an agreement with the Americans.
Whittlesfield
14-08-2006, 13:27
Brazil donated a grand total of 8 points to NORAD Space Agency
TLS, Brazil is already in NORAD, and has an advanced Sat Comms system.
Galveston Bay
14-08-2006, 19:31
Federation Military Forces 1971

Federation Navy
The Fleet
5 CVAN (Enterprise, Mobile Bay,Philippine Sea, Omaha Beach, Bunker Hill),
6 CV George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt (historical Forrestal class) Ranger, Wasp, Hornet, Bon home Richard (historical JFK class)
3 tech level 7.5 nuclear powered heavy cruisers (Long Beach, California, South Carolina, Texas ),
4 tech level 7.5 anti aircraft cruisers Galveston, Hampton, Biloxi, Atlanta,
9 tech level 7.5 nuclear powered escort cruisers (Nimitz, Kidd, Spruance, Kidd, Lee, Callaghan, Kimmel, Decatur, Sims),
5 tech level 7.5 escort cruisers (Houston, Richmond, Memphis, Pensacola, Tuscaloosa)
27 tech 8 destroyers (historical Spruance class)
6 tech level 7.5 destroyer units (12 Forrest Sherman class destroyers)
2 tech level 8 frigates (historical Perry Class)
26 tech level 7.5 frigate units (52 Knox class Frigates)
3 transport groups
4 amphibious groups
11 3rd generation SSN Chicago, Detroit, Ontario, Green Bay, Milwaukee, Winnipeg, Regina, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Omaha, Boston)(historical LA class)
4 3rd generation SSNC (Mackanzie, Hudson, Peary, Byrd)(historical modified Ohio class used for exploration in the Arctic, oceanographic work and special operations)
23 2nd generation SSNs (Seahorse, Narwhale, Pintado, Archerfish, Silversides, Dogfish, Kraken, Cavalla, Cachelot, Orca, Sea Lion, Pike, Porpoise, Dolphin, Marlin Sturgeon, Whale, Tautog, Grayling, Pogy, Sunfish, Ray, Puffer)
8 1st generation SSNs Sargo, Bonefish, Triton, Halibut, Scamp, Sculpin, Shark, Snook,

All cruisers, 2nd and 3rd generation SSNs are equipped with 4 nuclear tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles each, all warships also have tactical nuclear weapons

All 21 cruisers need a refit (2 points each) to bring them up to Tech level 8

Navy also wants more destroyers, at least 100 total including the Forrest Sherman class ships still in service, and at least 50 Perry class Frigates. It also would like to add at least 1 Aegis class cruiser for each carrier, preferably nuclear powered, when design studies for that ship are completed. The Navy also wants 4 more Enterprise class nuclear powered heavy carriers and 9 nuclear powered light carriers for ASW and special operations capability. Another 40 LA class submarines are needed, and the Navy wouldn’t mind spending some money to bring back into service all of the reserve fleet ships, as the battleships in particular can be equipped with cruise missiles

Reserve Fleet:
Heavy carriers Lexington, Yorktown, Saratoga, Valley Forge (historical Midway class),
battleships Missouri, Iowa, New Jersey, Wisconsin plus musuem battleships North Carolina, Alabama, Washington, Massachusetts
Tech level 7.5 antiaircraft cruisers San Diego, San Pedro, Los Angeles, Juneau,
5 tech level 7.5 destroyer units (10 Forrest Sherman class destroyers)

Naval Aviation
Naval Aviation:
8 F14A squadrons
30 F4G squadrons,
12 A6 squadrons,
9 A7 squadrons,
12 S2/E2 squadrons,
9 ASW helicopter squadrons,
14 P3 squadrons,
75 elite carrier pilots,
14 elite pilots

The Navy has more then enough patrol planes and plans to convert 5 of those pilot units into carrier pilots (which occurs for free but they aren't available until 1972)

However, the Navy is short on carrier planes, and needs sufficient squadrons to bring carrier aviation up to 11 air wings at least, and preferably have 15 (for a reserve) plus wants ASW and Harrier squadrons for planned Light carriers. This will be expensive.
Ato-Sara
14-08-2006, 20:00
OOC: Damn every time I see this weird American Federation thing I always picture Star Trek especially now there is a federation fleet.
Galveston Bay
14-08-2006, 21:54
Federation Aerospace Force
Cheyenne Mountain Command Center (fortress), HQ for NORAD, Federation Military Forces, (also mission control for military space missions)
Aerospace Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colorado Free State (training for space crew and officers)
Manned Space Flight Center, Houston, Texas (astronaut mission training and computer operations, mission control for civilian missions)
Marshal Flight Center, Huntsville, AL, Dixie (development center)
Edwards Flight Center, Mojave, CA, Columbia (shuttle operations, flight test)
Langley Flight Center, Newport News, VA, Dixie (development center)
Moffet Flight Center, San Jose, CA, Columbia (development center)
Goddard Flight Center, Cape Canaveral, FL, Dixie (space launch center)
Vandenburg Flight Center, Lompoc, CA, Columbia (space launch center)
White Sands Flight Center, Alamagordo, NM, Texas (shuttle operations, flight test)
Nellis / Western Nevada / China Lake Aviation exercise area (Top Gun School)

Space Command (also includes FASA, formerly called NASA)
Space capabilities All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems, has completed needed research for Apollo Program and for 3 man space flight as well as Skylab project, has completed research for tech level 8 Space Shuttle program

Space Tracking stations at Guam, Hawaii, California, Colorado, West Virginia, Iceland, Moscow, Omsk, Alaska, Tahiti, Australia, Diego Garcia, Liberia, Argentina

Major Continental defense radar stations in Alaska, Huron, New England, Columbia, Dixie and Texas

Space Command assets
Improved spy satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Improved Communications satellites (both hemispheres) 12 points
Early Warning satellites (both hemispheres) 6 points
1 SR71 squadron, 1 elite pilot (officially astronaut trainers) 3.5 points
3 RC135 squadrons, 3 elite pilots (officially mobile tracking stations) 7.5 points
maintenance on Cheyenne Mountain 1 point
maintenance on global space tracking system 5 points
maintenance on North American Air Defense Warning System 5 points
Spaceplane upkeep for 1 X20 (remaining 3 X20s and 2 X15s in desert storage)
Space shuttle upkeep (Shuttle Enterprise)
Maintain improved communication satellite networks for Brazil, Mexico,


Air Combat Command
6 KC135 tanker squadrons,
6 E3 AEW squadrons
9 F15A fighter squadrons
21 F4G fighter bomber squadrons
21 B1 strategic bomber squadrons,
3 B1B maritime strike squadrons
15 B52G strategic bomber squadrons
9 F111 medium bomber squadrons
6 EF111 WW squadrons
3 F4G WW squadrons
99 elite pilots

Air Defense Command
4 E3 AEW squadrons (supplement radar lines),
3 F14A interceptor squadrons
3 F4G fighter bomber squadrons
6 KC135 tanker squadrons
16 elite pilots

Air Mobility Command
9 C141 strategic transport squadrons
2 C5A heavy transport squadrons
15 C130 theater transport squadrons
12 KC135 tanker squadrons,
38 elite pilots

In addition to the Federation Aerospace Force (FAF), the various nations also have very sizeable Air National Guards that provide supplemental interceptor, fighter, bomber, and transport squadrons in time of war.

The Flying Tigers and Tuskegee Wings, both mercenary units contracted by NORAD, still maintain their seperateness as does Air America. All are under long term contract with the Federal government but that contract can be sublet or cancelled depending on decisions made by the new Federation government.

One of the options is to simply absorb them into the FAF.

Air Combat command wants to replace the remaining F4G squadrons with the new F15C as it enters service or the F16A if cost prohibits. Plans to convert B52G squadrons to B1 squadrons are shelved as the B52G makes a fine cruise missile carrier, and are cheaper to operate, and the FAF would rather spend money on more fighters.

Space Command wants a fleet of 6 Enterprise class shuttles and money for more and better satellites, including GPS and digital spy satellites.

Desert storage
14 F4G squadrons, 6 F101B squadrons, 3 T38A squadrons, 6 B52C squadrons, 12 B52G squadrons, 6 B58 squadrons, 9 F105 squadrons, 6 B57 squadrons, 6 F101A squadrons, 12 KC97 squadrons, 6 B52D squadrons, 36 tech level 7.5 (AH1) attack helicopter squadrons, 9 tech level 7.5 cargo helicopter squadrons (CH46),

over 30 tech level 7.5 transport helicopter squadrons (UH1) have been sold to civilians and are now ubiquetous in North America as a common civilian helicopter
The Lightning Star
15-08-2006, 00:37
TLS, Brazil is already in NORAD, and has an advanced Sat Comms system.

Well everyone else told me I wasnt in NORAD and that I didnt have satellites ><
Galveston Bay
15-08-2006, 03:29
Federation Marines
2 Ranger battalion (handpicked),
3 marine light infantry brigades (elite)
1 marine mechanized brigade (elite,)
6 tech 8 attack helicopter squadrons,
6 tech 8 cargo helicopter squadrons,
6 tech 8 transport helicopter squadrons,
3 tech level 8 special operations transport helicopter squadrons
21 elite pilots

Marines want to 6 Harrier squadrons to provide Marine Air Wings with fighter bombers and break up all 3 light brigades to form 9 ranger battalions plus add another plus add another mechanized brigade to give the Marines a force of 12 Special Forces battalions, 2 marine mechanized brigades, plus aviation and eventually replace the mechanized brigades with hovercraft brigades.

Federation Army
1 HQ unit
4 flak brigades
4 armored divisions
1 mechanized division
2 mechanized artillery brigades
3 infantry divisions
2 light infantry divisions
1 armored brigade
3 parachute brigades
3 mountain light infantry brigades
21 tech level 8 helicopter gunship squadrons,
12 tech level 8 transport helicopter squadrons,
9 tech level 8 cargo helicopter squadrons,
42 elite pilots,

Army wants to add 9 A10 squadrons plus pilots plus 2 armored brigades

The National Guards provide a large number of ground and helicopter units

National Guard, Air National Guard and Coast Guard forces
Columbia
Coast Guard
2 tech level 7.5 escort groups (20 high endurance cutters, 20 medium endurance cutters), 1 P3 squadron, 1 elite pilot,
Air National Guard
1 E3 AEW squadron, 3 F15A squadrons, 2 C5A squadrons, 6 C141 squadrons, 3 C123 special operations squadrons, 9 C130 squadrons, 3 KC135 squadrons, 27 elite pilots,
Army National Guard
3 flak brigades (Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle), 3 armored brigades, 3 infantry divisions, 9 attack helicopter squadrons, 9 transport helicopter squadrons, 18 elite pilots

New England
Coast Guard
2 tech level 7.5 escort groups (20 medium and 20 high endurance cutters), 2 P3 squadrons, 1 tech level 7.5 ASW/SAR squadron, 3 elite pilots
Air National Guard
6 F4G squadrons, 1 E3 AEW squadrons, 3 FB111 squadrons, 3 C130 squadrons, 2 C5A squadrons, 15 elite pilots
Army National Guard: 6 flak brigades (protecting NYC, Philadelphia, Boston, Halifax, Augusta/Portsmouth, Providence/New London), 2 infantry divisions, 2 mechanized brigades, 2 armored brigades, 6 attack helicopter squadrons, 3 cargo helicopter squadrons, 3 transport helicopter squadrons, 12 elite pilots

Dixie
1 tech level 8 coastal patrol group (20 low endurance cutters), 2 tech level 7.5 coastal patrol groups (40 low endurance cutters), 1 P3 squadron, 1 elite pilot
Air National Guard
6 F4G squadrons, 3 C123 Special operations, 6 KC135 squadrons, 3 F111 squadrons, 6 C141 squadrons, 6 C130 squadrons, 30 elite pilots
Army National Guard
3 infantry divisions, 6 flak unit (Atlanta, Baltimore, Newport News, Jacksonville, Memphis, New Orleans) , 2 armored divisions, 1 mechanized flak brigade, 1 armored brigade, 1 mechanized artillery brigade,

Texas
Coast Guard
1 tech level 7.5 coastal patrol group (20 low endurance cutters) 1 P3 squadron, 1 elite pilot
Air National Guard
6 KC135 squadrons, 3 F4G squadrons, 3 C130 squadrons, 12 elite pilots
Army National Guard
2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 2 armored brigades, 2 mechanized flak brigades, 2 mechanized artillery brigades, 5 flak groups (Houston, Albequerque, Amarillo, Dallas, Austin) 1 infantry division, 3 parachute light infantry brigades, 6 attack helicopter squadrons, 6 transport helicopter squadrons, 6 cargo helicopter squadrons, 18 elite pilots

Huron
Coast Guard
3 tech level 8 coastal patrol groups (60 low endurance cutters)
Air National Guard
12 F4G fighter squadrons, 3 F4G wild weasel squadrons, 3 KC135 squadrons, 3 C130 squadrons, 21 elite pilots
Army National Guard
3 mechanized divisions, 5 armored brigades, 10 garrison units (Chicago, Moosonee, Windsor/Detroit, Minnapolis/St Paul, Kansas City, St.Louis, Toronto, Thunder Bay, Milwaukee, Cleveland) 6 helicopter gunship squadrons, 2 cargo helicopter squadrons

Rocky Mountain Free States
Air National Guard: 3 F4G squadrons, 3 elite pilots, 1 militia unit

Deseret
Air National Guard: 1 F4G squadron, 1 C130 squadron, 2 elite pilots, 1militia unit

Quebec
Air National Guard: 3 F4G squadrons, 3 elite pilots,
National Guard parachute brigade,
Coast Guard 1 escort group