NationStates Jolt Archive


Birds and Bombs

[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 07:49
Im interested in buying some highly trained birds. Also I am lookin for small light bombs, lets say a pidgeon could drop. I need about 50 birds, preferally pidgeons, and about 500 bombs. Please list your price
Copenhaghenkoffenlaugh
24-07-2006, 07:53
Say what? :confused: Dude, I think you need bigger birds that are trained much more easily, like hawks and eagles. They can carry things up to three times their weight, if I remember the information on them correctly.

Try outfitting a bunch of hawk- and eagle-sized birds armed with 2 pounder shells and 5 pounder shells. At a significant height, those things could rain hell down on your enemies.
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 07:59
ok fine I want hawks
Tocrowkia
24-07-2006, 07:59
((OOC: Yay! Another idea for me to steal!))
Wanderjar
24-07-2006, 08:31
Asylumny']Im interested in buying some highly trained birds. Also I am lookin for small light bombs, lets say a pidgeon could drop. I need about 50 birds, preferally pidgeons, and about 500 bombs. Please list your price



You were serious about that? I thought that message was a joke!!!
Tassokarypidism
24-07-2006, 13:44
What damage cud a bunch of birds do for example to a convoy of armored vehicles and tanks?
Hurtful Thoughts
24-07-2006, 14:31
What damage cud a bunch of birds do for example to a convoy of armored vehicles and tanks?

You needed to ask that question?

It would make whitewashing their tanks that much simpler.

With the aid of explosives, hmmm, ultra low tech AT dive bombers...

Plus they are well camoflaged with noncombatant birds... giving a sense of randomness.


Training them to dive bomb tanks and trucks (and to prioratize targets) wouldn't be as hard as one might think, but there is a simpler bird based weapon delivery system (how to train a pigeon to aim and fire a gun is really simple with touch/peck screens and positive/negetive reinforcement for shooting enemy/friendly troops)

Pigeons manning Hellfire missiles and SAM sites...

Perhaps even training the birds to move from gun to gun as ammunition is used up...

Keep in mind pigeons outnumber people at about 10:1
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A little military trial is in order, PROHT will train pigeons to shoot down hawks, and you all train hawks to bomb and eat the pigeons...
Beth Gellert
24-07-2006, 14:48
Hey, it worked well with dogs and bats!

...wait, no, I'm thinking of unmitigated disasters, but using stupider animals will probably help.
Hurtful Thoughts
24-07-2006, 15:03
Hey, it worked well with dogs and bats!

...wait, no, I'm thinking of unmitigated disasters, but using stupider animals will probably help.

The 1st use of explosives as a weapon was to strap it on an ox's back and send it towards the enemy with a lit fuse. (Go China, at least it is better than puting the bombs on yourself)

The soviet dog bomb concept worked perfectly. Except they were trained to blow up friendly tanks...

The soviet Union was also claimed to use livestck to clear minefields (though sometimes they just used people)

America uses dolphins and whales to find limpet mines.
Even planned using pigeon guided missiles (with 70 to 80% success rate in tests)

Then there is the use of carrier pigeons.

Never heard of the bats.

Sure, failures. When was the last time an American merchant ship was blown up?
Vast Principles
24-07-2006, 16:59
What damage cud a bunch of birds do for example to a convoy of armored vehicles and tanks?

OOC: What damage could it do to an enemy leader??? Or even to say an oil refinery....they'd never know what hit them!!!

cool idea, i like it!!

IC:

The comission for the preservation of hunting birds had only just come to a close its meeting, but already several of its members had made a rush for the exits, grabbing hold of their mobiles phones and hurredly dialing for several contacts, there was a contract for training of hunting birds to do someones dirty work, and they all thought they could do it....

OOC: Name the price and i'll see if i agree, i have a large nation 50hawks which could be trained would not be a problem, the national circus probably could do it for you ;)
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 18:17
Anyone have any bombs I could buy that could take out tanks?
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 18:18
You were serious about that? I thought that message was a joke!!!

Nope Im dead serious.
Sochatopia
24-07-2006, 19:14
actualy i herd somthing like this on the history channel with thousends of bats in a tub like thing droped form a plane it opens up the bats heve timer fuses on them half a hour later the citys on firer. Tested successfully but never put to use. No good reason why just some guys at the top said it was two embarsing for the USA to use bats as weapons. Thats batty :p
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 19:16
its a very good tatic if you think about. Who is really going say ok keep an eye in the sky for any birds with bombs. I dont want to kill them though, I want to reuse them
Carbandia
24-07-2006, 19:19
Why am I about 80% sure that it not only: 1: has been attempted before, and 2: failed miserably for some reason that I can't remember

Seriosly..If you think the varios M.o.D.'s of the world act like sensible people would, then you need to read more history..
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 19:21
Well actually I got the idea from reading articles.Some trials failed but most succeded. I thought it would be something interesting to try
Carbandia
24-07-2006, 19:26
It might work..But there are at least two problems as far as I can see
target identification, I mean seriosly..How are you going to make sure the bird hits the right target?
and range; this is the more critical one..it's not as if a 40mm grenade is feather light, and birds don't tend to carry any real weight very far.
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 19:42
Well for 1 I was thinking having an electric shock that would make the birds open the claws or something along those lines. I dont want to use them when I am fightining close, I would use them when the enemy party is advancing. For 2 I could let the birds fly out a plane, drop the bombs, and then back into the plane
Carbandia
24-07-2006, 19:44
Ok, your solution to #1 is doable, and makes sense, actually.
#2 however..What's to stop your enemy from seeing said plane, and, more importantly, shooting it down?

edit: had to be asked, sorry, but

If youre using a plane to get them there in the first place, then why not use it to drop the bombs?
[NS]Asylumny
24-07-2006, 20:13
I meant I would let them go about 1 mile or so from the target, let then drop the bombs, and fly back to the plane
Carbandia
24-07-2006, 20:18
The plane would still be visible, and very hittable by sams (most of which have a longer range than that), at that range..Sorry, mate, but my point stands..It may be possible, but it is very impractical.
Hurtful Thoughts
24-07-2006, 23:26
Why am I about 80% sure that it not only: 1: has been attempted before, and 2: failed miserably for some reason that I can't remember

Seriosly..If you think the varios M.o.D.'s of the world act like sensible people would, then you need to read more history..

1. Because people have used animals as weapons carriers and delivery vehicles for eons..

2. Guided weapons, able to be stored almost forever and they don't need to be fed food. May be mass produced and don't need to be trained (but some are calibrated)

But then again some RL militias are going really basic and strapping explosives onto themselves like the Oxen of Ancient China.
Otagia
24-07-2006, 23:51
Use swallows.

Seriously though, no bird can carry a bomb large enough to damage a tank. Hell, even a normal frag grenade is above the capacity of all but large birds, which are easily identifiable and easily shot.
Tassokarypidism
25-07-2006, 13:31
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Hurtful Thoughts
25-07-2006, 16:38
Use swallows.

Seriously though, no bird can carry a bomb large enough to damage a tank. Hell, even a normal frag grenade is above the capacity of all but large birds, which are easily identifiable and easily shot.

Euopean or African?

What if you tied two African swallows together?

My systemm doesn't use the birds to carry the guns, no, they man the guns...
(Pigieon /w/ .50 cal Machine Gun, or 5" cannons... or rockets if that fits your taste...)

Guess what they do when they run out of ammunition?