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OOC Comments/Bickering/Complaints/Death Threats Here


Please stand down against them. I already have dibs.

Blackhelm's a cool guy OOC. Just Incharacter his nation is evil. But strangely enough, he's helping me do a good deed, so I must ask that you not attack him, as his military is needed right now to do good things.

He very well may be a great guy OOC'ly... but this isnt an OOC war. Most of my IC enemies in all RP's are actually good friends of mine, great guys all around... doesn't change the fact that they're my IC enemies. Im not sure what your cause is, and I do apologize for interfering with your problems, but I am sorry, my sympathies to your cause are not enough to stop me from going through with this.

He very well may be a great guy OOC'ly... but this isnt an OOC war. Most of my IC enemies in all RP's are actually good friends of mine, great guys all around... doesn't change the fact that they're my IC enemies. Im not sure what your cause is, and I do apologize for interfering with your problems, but I am sorry, my sympathies to your cause are not enough to stop me from going through with this.


Damnit! I'm trying to rebuild a country. Chitzeland. It's been torn by nuclear attacks, bombings, death camps, etc by foreign invaders. He has decided to help me as he holds a grudge against both the guys i'm fighting against.

I really plead that you hold off your assault for awhile, because I'm going to make a raid on his mansion anyway after the war ends. Gonna be awsome. After that, have at Blackhelm.

I'm also planning on taking a stab at Griffincrest with a non-Corporate Alliance corporation of mine. It would be nice to still have something to shoot at.

I'm also planning on taking a stab at Griffincrest with a non-Corporate Alliance corporation of mine. It would be nice to still have something to shoot at.


Yet again, I really must insist you refrain from fighting him for a time. I need his help, as this operation requires all the men I can get!


If you attacked him, then that would hurt my operations. And I would be pissed!!!

Yet again, I really must insist you refrain from fighting him for a time. I need his help, as this operation requires all the men I can get!


If you attacked him, then that would hurt my operations. And I would be pissed!!!

You can't get help from someone else... who is say... in your alliance?

Yet again, I really must insist you refrain from fighting him for a time. I need his help, as this operation requires all the men I can get!


If you attacked him, then that would hurt my operations. And I would be pissed!!!

We could work together when you storm his mansion. I'm not thinking about doing this in the immediate future.

EDIT: Post the thread where your operation is at. I might be able to spare some men.

Well, with the nations lining up in his defense, there should still be somthing left by the time you're all ready. This should be a good RP, I was counting on a number of nations coming to his aid, I wasn't looking for a cake walk.

As to backing down. Im sorry, without a fairly big war, it cant happen. My intrests are threatened by both himself, but more importantly, the CA. If I let it to continue it's growth unhampered, I will simply be putting myself into a more vulnerable position.

I am just wondering how anybody can morally defend his actions and manage to keep a straight face.

People ask the same thing to France every day... Chirac either believes the shit he spits out, or has one of the best poker faces in the known world. Either way... sombody has to do this, im bored, my army is sitting on it's ass... why the hell not.

I am just wondering how anybody can morally defend his actions and manage to keep a straight face.

What my character said in the IC thread is completely IC. I know he's been evil, but my IC character completely ignores it.

We could work together when you storm his mansion. I'm not thinking about doing this in the immediate future.

EDIT: Post the thread where your operation is at. I might be able to spare some men.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477731&page=56


I would appreciate that! Thanks!


DMG, some times you have to suck up pride, hold back laughter, and do dumb things for your own good.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477731&page=56


Umm....

I'm too lazy to read all 56 pages now. Can you kinda summarize whats happening?

Umm....

I'm too lazy to read all 56 pages now. Can you kinda summarize whats happening?


lol, sure.


Basically, Emperor Pudu and the Parthians are attacking the nation Chitzeland to try and establish a colony. Me, the GASN, Hurtful Thoughts and Blackhelm are trying to stop them. They've both established death camps and have been executing civillians, Parthians Nuked a city full of civillians, and the list goes on. I can't allow that.


The rest of the history goes on back to the Kraven Wars, when I launched an Invasion of Chitzeland to oust it's insane dictator. I installed a new government now. I tried to uphold it, but I was defeated in my first war against Pudu. I came back though when I was strong enough to beat him. He declared war on me and launched multiple assaults on my air base. I might be able to drive him out as is, but I am unsure. Sending troops would be great, and a noble cause to do so for.

What my character said in the IC thread is completely IC. I know he's been evil, but my IC character completely ignores it.

I know it is completely IC... but your character obviously believes there was no moral/ethical/legal wrong doings on BC's part.

I know it is completely IC... but your character obviously believes there was no moral/ethical/legal wrong doings on BC's part.

Kujan doesn't have a firm grip on reality...

Kujan doesn't have a firm grip on reality...

Ah, lol... that always explains it. :p

*twiddles paws* The temptation is there.. except every time I end up fighting with Blackhelm, he cheats his frickin' pants off and godmodes like a mofo.

Im here to defend blackhelm Im part of the CA and this is one of my obligations. Edit sorry i also forgot could you kindly tell me exactly whos attacking blackhelm.

Different armed groups within the Confederacy

Confederate Military - 10 million soldiers
Griffincrest Mercenary Force - 3.7 million mercenaries
Communist Workers Party - 500,000 men
Confederates Against Foreigners (CAF) - 120,000 men
Confederate Farmers Society (CFS) - 65,000 redneck hicks with guns
Divinity semi-autonomous military - 61,000 troopers
Paradise City Police Force - 12,000 officers

How in the world are you able to afford even half that stuff?

How in the world are you able to afford even half that stuff?


Considering his defense budget is only $403B per http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxmlparser.php

... that means he could pay his active 10 million person military about 40k per year.

That's if he used his ENTIRE budget to pay his soldiers. Nevermind how much it costs to train them, maintain them... their equipment, make new purchases.. and so on. Meh. No comment. I think I've been over this before.

Im in

Considering his defense budget is only $403B per http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxmlparser.php

... that means he could pay his active 10 million person military about 40k per year.

That's if he used his ENTIRE budget to pay his soldiers. Nevermind how much it costs to train them, maintain them... their equipment, make new purchases.. and so on. Meh. No comment. I think I've been over this before.

Looking to find out just what his ships were, he claims to be using what's essentially tribute to purchase the ships. Which is fine except for the ignoring of the cost of running and maintaining those ships, their crews, weapons expenditures, the ports to be built and harbors dredged, etc, plus of course all of the land-based stuff all of which needs to come out of his regular budget. Even assuming a constant WWII-level of mobilization for him, that's only 2 trillion available for his armed forces. And that's not even pointing out that those ships that he bought are absurdly wanked or the dubiousness of fielding a fleet that he only purchased the day before.



Personally, especially as this looks like it'll just become a giant wanking and one-line post war, I'm going to restrict myself to the providing of heavy weapons (missiles, bombers, and possibly other stuff) and weapon targeting information from RORSATS and other surveillance platforms. I'll put up in IC post to that effect in a few.

The different factions he posted aren't all controlled by the government. They are mainly private organizations. Similar to the St. Michael Detective Agency and Skyetech's Tactical Solutions.

Hey Siap, I explained the Chitzeland conflict for you. Its up at the top.

And Blackhelm, i'm not fighting you on this one. I've been trying to get them to not. I've done what I could man.

That's typically what I do. I provide realistic, badass support while keeping away from the wankage.

Though my new F-2 Peregrine is using a defensive system that's not in use today. :p (I got the idea from an Israeli IFV that has a signal system designed to explode IEDs out to like 200 yards or something like that. I ramped up the power to about 800 meters, and put it on an aircraft to explode missiles. :> It sends a self-destruct or 'kill' signal to missiles that are locked onto the F-2. The missile'll either blow up or go dead.)

Hey Siap, I explained the Chitzeland conflict for you. Its up at the top.


After this mess in Blackhelm is cleared up, I'll help out.

Blackhelm,

Something has come up, and I my internet access will be sporadic at best. You will have absolute control of all the men I deployed to your nation. Please don't kill them all.

Different armed groups within the Confederacy

Confederate Military - 10 million soldiers
Griffincrest Mercenary Force - 3.7 million mercenaries
Communist Workers Party - 500,000 men
Confederates Against Foreigners (CAF) - 120,000 men
Confederate Farmers Society (CFS) - 65,000 redneck hicks with guns
Divinity semi-autonomous military - 61,000 troopers
Paradise City Police Force - 12,000 officers

I see it as possible for that to be operated, but that alone. The airforce, navy, and armored divisions would be non-existant. Ammunition would be scarce, logistics a pain in the ass. 3.7 Million Mercs., while possible, is going to put any corporation near bankruptcy. And of course those 10 Million would include non-combat troops. Im not here to critique your army, just to make sure this thing stays strait and non-wankagish.

Oh, and im not sure if you provided a map in the IC thread, but if not, could you do so? Thanks.

You know, most Security Contracting Corporations I've seen operate more like Special Forces rather than armies. They tend to operate under more on the Squad, platoon, or Company level at most. Rarely battalion and above.....


Not that I'm a Merc

Not exactly sure if that was at me or what... but one thing id point aout about Merc Spec Ops... THEYRE BLOODY FRIKEN EXPENSIVE.

Ya, Black, if you could provide a little info on how you fund your military, that would help. Take your time, but as we go on, if you could break it down, id be much oblidged. From what ive heard and calculated myself, with your budget you'd barely be able to pay/arm/supply your troops... let alone build a rather large navy/airforce/missile force.

EDIT: Oh, and to all nations opposing me... if you could provide me maps of your nations, I can begin the invasion(s).

You know, most Security Contracting Corporations I've seen operate more like Special Forces rather than armies. They tend to operate under more on the Squad, platoon, or Company level at most. Rarely battalion and above.....


Not that I'm a Merc

Not necessarily true. Mercenaries are often just large bands of experienced fighters. Though the good ones would cost a shit load of money (often more than a regular soldier would cost to train).

Not exactly sure if that was at me or what... but one thing id point aout about Merc Spec Ops... THEYRE BLOODY FRIKEN EXPENSIVE.

Ya, Black, if you could provide a little info on how you fund your military, that would help. Take your time, but as we go on, if you could break it down, id be much oblidged. From what ive heard and calculated myself, with your budget you'd barely be able to pay/arm/supply your troops... let alone build a rather large navy/airforce/missile force.

EDIT: Oh, and to all nations opposing me... if you could provide me maps of your nations, I can begin the invasion(s).


Well i dont know exactly how he affords it but his corporation has taken a lot of oil and sold it the purchasing of Stocks and money contributions from other nations might explain it. Also ecnomic calculators arnt perfect [ I personaly use one] But i think you can take a % or to from other things in a time of war]

I would give you a map but its not done yet. When im done ill post it.

Now my Qustion please dont take offence or turn it in to a how do you do this and that but how do you expect to launch multiple invasions logisticaly the cost to a invading army is many times greater than the defending and their are alot of people not just me defending blackhelm. Some are even your size.

Not necessarily true. Mercenaries are often just large bands of experienced fighters. Though the good ones would cost a shit load of money (often more than a regular soldier would cost to train).


The british used mercenaries were used in the American Revolution. Possibly beacuse blackhelm is a Corprate police state or somthing like that. He probably has a large lower class desprate to make a quick buck and so their probably pretty cheep beacuse you can live on like 30 dollors a day. If their dirt poor witch i expect they would be beacuse of his oppressive goverment they would take any job even if it put them in mortal danger.

Not necessarily true. Mercenaries are often just large bands of experienced fighters. Though the good ones would cost a shit load of money (often more than a regular soldier would cost to train).


Yes, you're right. I'm referring to Security Contracting Corporations/Firms, like Blackwater, DynCorp, Northrupp Grumman, the now dead Executive Outcomes, etc.

I got the ships mainly from various storefronts around the forums, using funds that I got by assisting Maraque in building the Super City. I also bought them slowly, over a long period of time. Not only thatm but most of my navy/airfleet (not airforce, I have airships) were purchased pre-plague, as Exponent, and I had a pretty big Defense budget with them.

And also, how do I get my map from paint to here?

And also, how do I get my map from paint to here?

Use photobucket or imageshack.

Now my Qustion please dont take offence or turn it in to a how do you do this and that but how do you expect to launch multiple invasions logisticaly the cost to a invading army is many times greater than the defending and their are alot of people not just me defending blackhelm. Some are even your size.

Legit Question. Awnser? I wont. First off, I will not be launching these invasions at once. One at a time. Will there be fighting on all fronts? Yes. Full blown invasions? No. I also have over 15 Trillion USD's in my defence budget according to NSEconomy. I also have an annual govt. aste of near 1.5 Trillion. That 1.5 Trillion sits in my accounts... over a few years, thats a nice bit of money. This will be expensive, but just remember, 15 Trillion Dollars is alot of money. Alot.

Well i dont know exactly how he affords it but his corporation has taken a lot of oil and sold it the purchasing of Stocks and money contributions from other nations might explain it. Also ecnomic calculators arnt perfect [ I personaly use one] But i think you can take a % or to from other things in a time of war]

I agree, there is a margin of error. But only a few hundred or so billion for a nation of Black's size. But The Corporation would be barely able, if able to pay the 3 Million Mercs. I cant see it helping pay for the army itself.

I got the ships mainly from various storefronts around the forums, using funds that I got by assisting Maraque in building the Super City. I also bought them slowly, over a long period of time. Not only thatm but most of my navy/airfleet (not airforce, I have airships) were purchased pre-plague, as Exponent, and I had a pretty big Defense budget with them.

And also, how do I get my map from paint to here?

Alright, it works... barely. You'd be strapped on the cash situation, but I guess it works.

Awesomedome, another chance to be a jerk and play asymmetric warfare.

Anywho, Siap has hired me to shoot a couple of Kroando high officials, I need details on their locations and where they live, their security, anything a drunken security guard or a loose-lipped easily paid guard or weeks or survellience can tell me.

Then I'll RP the entering the country part. How secure is your nation? What are the rules on weapons? How about internally, is everybody monitored like A Scanner Darkly?

I also thanks to Bonstock have the ability to deploy up to 3 Nimitz Carrier Fleets, 2 Divisions of Airborne troops and smuggle a whole lot into the Blackhelm Confed.

So, who are the most important Kroando officials and who are the most vunerable ones?

Do you have AIM? Or would you rather me just start listing information?

Do you have AIM? Or would you rather me just start listing information?

I'd prefer not to give my AIM out, my email is Verdafolio.at.Gmail.com (spambots) I would perfer the email or post here for easy future reference.

Whichever you prefer. I will be assembling a report of around ten of the most important men in the Coalition.

In regard to the subs. There would not be a total SONAR 'Black Spot', as there is not a total absence of noise. I could start explaining the entire thing, but then again, im not an expert on it. Mac made the thing, and attempted to explain to me the exact sciences of it... but again, ill just let ya read it. I really wouldn't say 7 miles off the coast was a godmod either way... as his RP only spoke of patrol boats in the area of Port Michal. A patrol boat being able to nail a stealth sub a kilometer under the surface?... A stretch.

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Kroando_Tech_Inc/index.php?showforum=7

In regard to the LADAR. Blue-Green LADAR/LIDAR Laser Detection Waves are not nearly as vulnerable to atmospheric conditions, allowing them to remain useful. While not being able to lock onto the F-22, it would narrow a location, which would then allow the subs RADAR to zone in on the coordinate, eventually making a lock.

I dont have photobucket, nor image shack, does someone have AIM and could post it for me?

You dont need to download imageshack to use it. Just go to the link below, click browse, select the picture, click 'host it!' and there ya go. Cut and paste the link to jolt.

http://imageshack.us/

I dont have photobucket, nor image shack, does someone have AIM and could post it for me?

it's easy... go here (http://www.imageshack.us/) hit browse, find your file, upload it, copy the right tag and paste here

Whichever you prefer. I will be assembling a report of around ten of the most important men in the Coalition.


I think probably posted here would be the best, and can I get a few unimportant men, like random government officials and I'll probably shoot a few civilians and blow up a train or two. Random chaos sucks up morale like crazy.

Also, how is your highway and rail system?

The reason I want it posted here is that in case I fail (unlikely :) ), Siap can finished the job.

So how hard is it to get into Kroando with weapons? without weapons?

O joy, thanks

I dont have photobucket, nor image shack, does someone have AIM and could post it for me?

You might as well get one (I prefer photobucket). They are free, quick, easy and quite useful...

You (the aggressor nation) are prepared to field 65 MILLION men into this fight? "Logistical" troops or not, they still must be fed, and housed, etc. Basic militant upkeep. Are you fucking high? Do you have any idea what so ever how much money, or support logistics it takes to transport, feed, fuel, and house a force that large? Let alone a force of 13 million.:(

You may have 15 trillion to spend, but what about resources? Stockpiles dont last forever, and feeding 78 million men on the ground, plus naval crewmen, that's alot of food to draw. But from where?
...Pardon my French.

http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackhelmconfederacycg9.png

The Bay of Neptune is that whole water area from Divinity to Redemption

On Weapons.

Legally, you cannot get a foriegn weapon into the country. Arms Manufacturing is the major industry of Kroando, and thus have a tight grip on the legal process of the nation. Pretty much all foriegn imports in the terms of foriegn weapons is banned. However, to buy one inside the country, you need a lisence, which entails a background check, and to simply buy one. Full auto's, explosives, etc, are illegal, but aquireable via the black market.

Rail System

Privatized. Highly efficient, heavily guarded. They are now being used to transport military supplies, thus, all have rather large military escorts. Personal baggage has been suspended to a small hand bag, which is thuroughly checked at security points. Armed guards and dogs patrol the train at loading/unloading. The rail line is under near constant survailance.

Highways

A larger version of the US system.

The List

1. Supreme Consul Victor Mornov. The man. Though legally under the Coalitionist System he is merely a part of the system, he enforces his will on the entire Consulship. He lives in the Consul Building, a No-Access Zone at which the Consulship and their families resid. With a Secret-Service-esque staff of 3,200, the facility is surrounded by brick walls, barbed wire fences and guard towers. Mornov has left three times. Each time to lead a Coalitionist Crusade on some portion of the world. His departure was random, and he personally road inside a tank, escorted by some 25 Military Humvees.

Will be updated over the next hour or so, with more being added for a week or so.

ooc: map of Bonstock

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2851/bonstockmapyw9.jpg

most strategic industrial factories are in the north, in a line from Port Yuko to Patton. In addition, a Bonstocknian expeditionary fleet is assembling in Port Yuko, though it will take time. However, the area is also the most populated in Bonstock, as well as obviously the most heavily defended.

I'll say every centimeter represents 250 km. Bonstock has a population of 6.8 billion, with an active military of around 30 million.

So if I bring in a freighter full of golden rice and lets say in the bags are a couple of Siap made entirely non-ferrous pistols and its caseless ammunition along with PTRD 14.5mm rifles and a Leafanistani built non-ferrous 7.92mm sniper rifle, can they make it through or do i have to be more creative and ship in every single part in like pipe shipments and clocks and stuff?

You (the aggressor nation) are prepared to field 65 MILLION men into this fight? "Logistical" troops or not, they still must be fed, and housed, etc. Basic militant upkeep. Are you fucking high? Do you have any idea what so ever how much money, or support logistics it takes to transport, feed, fuel, and house a force that large? Let alone a force of 13 million.:(

You may have 15 trillion to spend, but what about resources? Stockpiles dont last forever, and feeding 78 million men on the ground, plus naval crewmen, that's alot of food to draw. But from where?
...Pardon my French.

Not even going to respond. It is taken by most of NS that a nation can supply/field a military of roughly 5% of it's population in times of all out war. This is not the modern US. I dont have a population of China. I have 3.049 Billion People at my disposal. 65 Million is what percent of 3.049 Billion? Uhhh... before you go on a fuckin' unjustified 'NOOBZEROS! GODMOWDZ!' Rampage, try to sit down and say, well, why cant he? Housing... yes, oh yes, those mutli-million dollar tents are going to kill me. Food. Yep, im sure I cant feed my army with cheap ass synthetic foods/massive agricultural production on 15 Trillion. Again, im not going to argue with you, as I have already lost total respect for any knoledge you may actually posses. In the future, try to ask questions and raise points before rushing into a thread which does not involve you and begin randomly screaming. I will be ignoring pretty much anything you say from here on out, so whatever.

In closing, this is the NS world, not the RL world. Its bigger, it produces more, it has more.

So if I bring in a freighter full of golden rice and lets say in the bags are a couple of Siap made entirely non-ferrous pistols and its caseless ammunition along with PTRD 14.5mm rifles and a Leafanistani built non-ferrous 7.92mm sniper rifle, can they make it through or do i have to be more creative and ship in every single part in like pipe shipments and clocks and stuff?

Well, the question of who is importing the Leafistani rise would arise. Which business is importing the stuff? If a random barge filled with rice comes in with no scheduled reason, its getting searched. Since most food in Kroando is domestically produced synthetic, it might raise a few eye brows.

Well, the question of who is importing the Leafistani rise would arise. Which business is importing the stuff? If a random barge filled with rice comes in with no scheduled reason, its getting searched. Since most food in Kroando is domestically produced synthetic, it might raise a few eye brows.

Gourmet Organic Pesticide Free Coffee being imported by a specialty coffee shop in Kroando, throw me a bone here.

Hehe... the Gourmet Organic Pesticide Free Coffee has been slumping recently... so...

Nah, go ahead and smuggle the guns.

2. Gregory Kraken. A key proponent of the construction of the Coalitionist Military. Living in the Consul Building, he leaves once a week, in no visible pattern. He leaves via helicopter with his family to an undisclosed location to the south. There are two Apache escorts, with at least one Halcon Stealth Fighter in the area.

Hehe... the Gourmet Organic Pesticide Free Coffee has been slumping recently... so...

Nah, go ahead and smuggle the guns.

2. Gregory Kraken. A key proponent of the construction of the Coalitionist Military. Living in the Consul Building, he leaves once a week, in no visible pattern. He leaves via helicopter with his family to an undisclosed location to the south. There are two Apache escorts, with at least one Halcon Stealth Fighter in the area.

Thank you, and I'll have a few sexy women show up on vacation because Kroando is such a relief from facist oppressive Leafanistan along with their husbands and a few random couples from Omanistan, Saharistan, and Rovonia.

Also the Senators in your government, who are the most popular ones, who are the most military critical ones, what is the standard ammunition used in your military?

What about influential union leaders, specifically military critical people.

Coalitionist Standard Rifle/Ammo (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Kroando_Tech_Inc/index.php?showtopic=14)

3. Senator Chrisopher Sandabon. Supporter of the Coalitionist Crusade, he lives in the 'Estate'. A community in which only high ranking members of the Corporate Party are permitted to live. (Twelve Residents in all). He lives on some twelve acres of forest in a rather large mansion. A guard of twelve Coalitionist Guard Agents are constantly on duty, as he leaves his house nearly every day via military humvee convoy (3) vehicles. They load inside an underground parking garage. He usually heads to one of three locations. One, the Capital Building. Two, the Senate Building, or Three, the Consul Building. There is no pre-determined pattern to be spoken of, as he is informed in the morning of where he is needed.

4. Richard Helicon. Head of the Helicon Corporation. Provider of nearly all Coalitionist Oil, Military Arms, Software and Synthetic Foods. Located in the International City-Island of Talifax, he lives on Helicon Grounds, which comprises about seven square miles. On which are an assemblage of buildings, the Helicon Mansion and numerous military installations. There is alot on this guy... he is heavily involved in the government, known as a puppeteer of many Coalitionist Senators. If you want more info on him, tell me, there is alot.

Acutally its possible to have 500 million troops if you clone them or if you rent them. also 10 million ships is also possible


And do you want to try giving us an estimate of how much that cloning costs, much less raising them for 18 years until they're useful, and training them? It's millions of dollars per clone, not exactly the most affordable thing in the world. And ten million ships is not possible. Even the largest NS navies aren't over 30,000 ships, though many of those are SDNs.

And do you want to try giving us an estimate of how much that cloning costs, much less raising them for 18 years until they're useful, and training them? It's millions of dollars per clone, not exactly the most affordable thing in the world. And ten million ships is not possible. Even the largest NS navies aren't over 30,000 ships, though many of those are SDNs.

Really im just going to ignore him 500 million troops isnt reasonable even if he cloned them Its just to costly + this is MT not FT. When your allie says its unreasonable its unreasonable. Not even the biggest nation on NS earth could rent that many troops the biggest nations are just under 8 billion 500 million is 6.5% of that total population and they arnt going to rent all their military to him. Lets vote Ignore or not

I vote ignore.

Supporting an army of 500 million would make the whole region go broke. Even tho i'm not RPing, i'm still watching.

If it counts, i vote ignore as well. No offense.

Supporting an army of 500 million would make the whole region go broke. Even tho i'm not RPing, i'm still watching.

If it counts, i vote ignore as well. No offense.

The only way he can have that many troops is if their toy army guys form the dollor store. who would take offence.

OOC: Sochatopia can you give me the lo-down on whats happening and who's on our side please?

Ok i think i could be wrong but its Kroando Vs pretty much everyone else here but i have a feeling that AOEN will help him latter on. In addition hes huge and has a really big military budget. Most of our allies are only commiting a small force so it should be a good fight. As for all that up their some n00b tryed to send 500 million troops tanks planes and 10 million ships. I have decided that their toys beacuse the numbers are way way to big.

Oh almost forgot Rosdivan is providing support to Kroando. not really sending troops i think almost sure.

OOC: Thanx Sochatopia. I saw your remarks about the unrealistic number of man and hardware that nation said it had. No offence but you went a bit OTT about that.

OOC: Thanx Sochatopia. I saw your remarks about the unrealistic number of man and hardware that nation said it had. No offence but you went a bit OTT about that.

Yea a little i got :mad:

OOC: But you were right. Anyway I can't send in a massive force to counter this invasion. My strength is in my submarine navy, air force and intelligence organisations. And as for the AOEN they'll have their own problems to deal with.

OOC: But you were right. Anyway I can't send in a massive force to counter this invasion. My strength is in my submarine navy, air force and intelligence organisations. And as for the AOEN they'll have their own problems to deal with.

OOC: *raises one eyebrow, Spock style*

OOC: Spocks eyebrow he's a twat.

huh :confused: im confused.

OOC: Spocks eyebrow he's a twat.

OOC: It's a good thing Spock's half-vulcan, or he'd probably hunt you down for that. Anyways, what problems would these be?

OOC::confused: What about? somehow spock and his eyebrows are being talked about.

OOC: It's a good thing Spock's half-vulcan, or he'd probably hunt you down for that. Anyways, what problems would these be?
OOC It's a good thing Spock's not real or I'll backhand him.

OOC::confused: What about? somehow spock and his eyebrows are being talked about.

OOC: And as for the AOEN they'll have their own problems to deal with.

I was quizically raising an eyebrow about ^that^. Then you clearly suffered a mental breakdown and stopped realizing that Spock is t3h l337.

OOC: Please shut the hell up about spock or any of his star trek friends.

OOC: Please shut the hell up about spock or any of his star trek friends.

*shrug* Not a Star Trek* thread, so whatever.

Anyways, what problem were you talking about?

* Which, by the way, is awesome.

i still dont get it :confused: I need a cookie.

OOC: Why do you want to know?

Then you clearly suffered a mental breakdown and stopped realizing that Spock is t3h l337.
OOC: FYI: stolen for sig

i still dont get it :confused: I need a cookie.

You don't get a cookie until you start spelling correctly and using proper grammar.

OOC: FYI: stolen for sig

OOC: Yay! First time I've been sigged.

OOC: Sochatopia you should take a lie down if you are getting :confused: I don't want you to injure yourself.

You don't get a cookie until you start spelling correctly and using proper grammar.

I am using proper spelling and grammer now. May I have a cookie.

I am using proper spelling and grammer now. May I have a cookie.

Yep.

Keep it up.

*gives cookie*

* Eats cookie like a hungry lion* Now you must teach me table manners.

OOC: Socatopia I'm going to further confuse you here by saying I'm goin to california for two weeks. CALIFORNICATION!!!!

Soch, most of the CA members involved are sending the most they can, not just small forces. Bonstock has 30 million. Beiraq has almost half of his army. I have all of mine. You sent a good amount too.

Soch, most of the CA members involved are sending the most they can, not just small forces. Bonstock has 30 million. Beiraq has almost half of his army. I have all of mine. You sent a good amount too.

The Red Mafia needs the Blackhelm Confederacy and Griffencrest as they currently make up 15% of their incoming gross profits not including McKagan ($1 Trillion Per Year).

I will put 3 carriers into this fight with Bonstock support and land enough guerilla forces and materiale to make an invasion hell.

Blackhelm can I start putting ground troops by vunerable beaches to help you prepare for an attack?

I was thinking I sink some ships in Harbors so only a narrow channel is available and even if you blow them up you leave the chance of scraping a hull open on a piece sticking up underwater.

I was also thinking of placing tank traps and antipersonnel mines on the beaches and setting up AC-20 20mm MGs on the shoreline.

Blackhelm all my offers are going on a loss to me of several million dollars but it is all being made up by profits elsewhere.

The Red Mafia needs the Blackhelm Confederacy and Griffencrest as they currently make up 15% of their incoming gross profits not including McKagan ($1 Trillion Per Year).

I will put 3 carriers into this fight with Bonstock support and land enough guerilla forces and materiale to make an invasion hell.

Blackhelm can I start putting ground troops by vunerable beaches to help you prepare for an attack?

I was thinking I sink some ships in Harbors so only a narrow channel is available and even if you blow them up you leave the chance of scraping a hull open on a piece sticking up underwater.

I was also thinking of placing tank traps and antipersonnel mines on the beaches and setting up AC-20 20mm MGs on the shoreline.

We would really appreciate your troops, and I'm about to put another order down on your storefront.

Blackhelm Confederacy that map you showed with the bay is that your full map or just a small province of your country?

Soch, most of the CA members involved are sending the most they can, not just small forces. Bonstock has 30 million. Beiraq has almost half of his army. I have all of mine. You sent a good amount too.

heres all im saying 4 out of the whole allience.

Blackhelm Confederacy that map you showed with the bay is that your full map or just a small province of your country?

Full map. There is 1000 miles of coast, its more of a sea.

OOC i like to know in this war is there going to be bombs drop on Paradise City

OOC i like to know in this war is there going to be bombs drop on Paradise City

We dont know yet its possible.

let me know if there is going to be as i dont want my people who are at the International Empires Club be killed or i well be pulled into the war and i just end one

Full map. There is 1000 miles of coast, its more of a sea.



ok just looked like a close up map, thanks

Blackhelm can you let me know how my armed forces can assist you. My army is'nt that big but my navy and air-force are able to deliver a good punch to the enemy.

Regarding Zachzyd and his 500 Million Man Army.

Ignored. I am pretty damn leniant with army sizes, hell, I once supported a guy that claimed he could have 50% of his population fighting in a defensive war, but there is simply no way any nation has 500 Million Infantry, and as many other vehicles/aircraft/vessels as you do. Im sorry, its just not happening. There is no way you can pay/equip/supply those soldiers with a nation of your size.

About Stealth

@Soch. I am glad we have similar views on Stealth, however I just want to point out what I see as happening on your potential attack on my fleet (which is now in the middle of an ocean). My fleet is loaded with detection vessels, alongside the various other craft and their detection systems, the F22's will be seen a while before they reach my fleet. The F-22 doesn't have near the stealth capability of the B2, and thus, will be spotted, and likely shot down before they reach my fleet. The B-2's however are considerably more stealthy, and probably wont be seen until theyre either directly overhead, or within a few hundred yards. But either way, when you fly directly over a fleet the size of mine, you're gonna be seen. You might be able to drop a payload of bombs, but you're gonna be seen. Simply too many different RADAR/LADAR/IR Systems to not be seen.

Then you clearly suffered a mental breakdown and stopped realizing that Spock is t3h l337.

I hope ya don't mind me sigging that ^ also.




EDIT: Or not. It says my sig is too long....

Blackhelm can you let me know how my armed forces can assist you. My army is'nt that big but my navy and air-force are able to deliver a good punch to the enemy.

Your navy can link up with the rest of the Allied navies in the bay. Your air force can help cover Paradise City, and your army can just hit the beach if you want.

Regarding Zachzyd and his 500 Million Man Army.

Ignored. I am pretty damn leniant with army sizes, hell, I once supported a guy that claimed he could have 50% of his population fighting in a defensive war, but there is simply no way any nation has 500 Million Infantry, and as many other vehicles/aircraft/vessels as you do. Im sorry, its just not happening. There is no way you can pay/equip/supply those soldiers with a nation of your size.

About Stealth

@Soch. I am glad we have similar views on Stealth, however I just want to point out what I see as happening on your potential attack on my fleet (which is now in the middle of an ocean). My fleet is loaded with detection vessels, alongside the various other craft and their detection systems, the F22's will be seen a while before they reach my fleet. The F-22 doesn't have near the stealth capability of the B2, and thus, will be spotted, and likely shot down before they reach my fleet. The B-2's however are considerably more stealthy, and probably wont be seen until theyre either directly overhead, or within a few hundred yards. But either way, when you fly directly over a fleet the size of mine, you're gonna be seen. You might be able to drop a payload of bombs, but you're gonna be seen. Simply too many different RADAR/LADAR/IR Systems to not be seen.

Ok thanks for the heads up i agree B2s will be seen as soon as they open their doors it comprimses their RCS but your right. Glad you came back i was worried you left this to die its going to be so fun.

how are stealth missles possible

4,700 Miles West of Divinity, Blackhelm

Three Cadiz Class SSBN's sat on the surface of the warm pacific waters, the night sky glistening above. The three vessels had surfaced around 12:00 AM, and had been in constant communication with the Coalitionist Main Fleet (still some 9,000 Miles away from Blackhelm) since then. At 3:25 AM, their orders had been confirmed, reconfirmed, double checked, triple checked, cleared, classified and declassified. They had been ordered to begin the war on Blackhelm.

Kroando's Satellite Fleet had taken a punch from the Blackhelm Orbital Strike, but the numbers lost were quickly made up for via diplomatic agreements with foriegn powers. Foriegn Military Satellites were under temporary Coalitionist use, and thus were constantly focused on the cities of Blackhelm. Survailence of Blackhelms main cities was constant, as Divinity was immidiately determined to be a key target. Positions of ammo dumps, troop condensations and defensive fortifications were noted, and selected as targets. These targets were quickly relaying to the forward sub force of the Coalitionist Fleet, and due to their far off position, had no fear of being spotted as they deployed their payload. The three subs had one city under the scope... Divinity.

Three targets of reportedly high troop condensations were picked. One, apperantly an infantry barracks. Video feed showed large numbers of armed men moving in and out daily, as well as other buildings apperantly used as storage facilities. The second target was a Blackhelm Airfield. From gathered intelligence, it appeared as if Blackhelm Aircraft landed on the strips, returning from patrols, and were stationed inside aerial hangers. They expected a number of aircraft to be inside, and thus, determined it a key target. The third target was far more obvious. Coalitionist Intelligence forces, both on the ground and in space reported the stationing of armored units in the city. (Not sure if you have any yourself Black, but your allies have sent a few, im assuming there would be some in one of your major cities.) Tanks, trucks, hummers, APC's. A key part to any military.

These three targets were to be hit with a volley of C-12 Stealth Ballistic Missiles. The missiles themselves had an extremely long range, a high payload, and most importantly, stealth. Invisible to RADAR and all but the highest concentrations of LADAR, they were very deadly weapons. At exactly 3:36 AM, the three Cadiz's shook, and each one fired one of the black ICBM's. Initially, a massive flame thrusted the missile into the air, but within time, the flames died down, and they floated forward in the upper atmosphere. Reaching their apex, they fell once in perfect alignment with Divinity, and fell to their final destinations. Loaded with thousands of pounds of OctoCubaneNitro, the most explosive non-nuclear substance in existance, the missiles would make a tremendous blast on their targets.

The Coalitionist Fleet to the West continues to move towards Blackhelm, monitering the movements of foriegn forces. After firing, the three Cadiz's dove to 1.5 Kilometers and vacated the area.

i dont understand how that is possible.

Same way anything is made stealth. The materials composing it and the shape of the missile is constructed in such a manner as to lower its radar signature. There are some already out there in RL. Not sure that's doable with ballistic missiles though.

how are stealth missles possible



i dont understand how that is possible.


I can see how a stealth missle works it needs a little more fule to get in to the upper atmosphere beacuse it would be wired shaped but it works for me.

Please take note. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493673

The wheels are in motion. You have approximately 3 weeks gametime (Couple hours real time.) before the Felucans get involved.

Regarding the Stealth Ballistic Missile

I apologize for not providing the link. All non-RL tech I use will be listed on my tech forum. I believe I provided a link to that site, but if not here is a direct link to the C-12 Stealth Ballistic Missile. Before anyone says, 'But the RAM will burn off at those speeds.' Subsonic Speeds are maintained so as to provide for maximum stealth ability.

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Kroando_Tech_Inc/index.php?showtopic=10

Your navy can link up with the rest of the Allied navies in the bay. Your air force can help cover Paradise City, and your army can just hit the beach if you want.

I'll see what I can do.

Yeah. Erm.. EMPs go off waaay up high where there's very little air friction. Basicly, they fry electronics, even stuff that's turned off. Heh. One EMP set off over the center of the USA would basicly destroy every piece of electronics in the USA, from coast to coast. - Just for a reference on how big these pulses are.

Regarding the Stealth Ballistic Missile

I apologize for not providing the link. All non-RL tech I use will be listed on my tech forum. I believe I provided a link to that site, but if not here is a direct link to the C-12 Stealth Ballistic Missile. Before anyone says, 'But the RAM will burn off at those speeds.' Subsonic Speeds are maintained so as to provide for maximum stealth ability.

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Kroando_Tech_Inc/index.php?showtopic=10

I am sorry, but subsonic and ballistic missile do not mesh at all. It is still theoretically possible to stealth a ballistic missile against RADAR. However, there is no possible way for your missile to hide the Infrared and heat signatures generated by both the rocket engines and the airfriction heating up the skin of the inbound warhead.

As to EMP, it is possible to harden electronics against electromagnetic pulse, it is standard in my military.

Finally, expect to see me coming in.

Yeah. Erm.. EMPs go off waaay up high where there's very little air friction. Basicly, they fry electronics, even stuff that's turned off. Heh. One EMP set off over the center of the USA would basicly destroy every piece of electronics in the USA, from coast to coast. - Just for a reference on how big these pulses are.

Only at the right height.


At a height of 80,000 feet, the EMP radius would be about 250 miles.

Only at the right height.


At a height of 80,000 feet, the EMP radius would be about 250 miles.

Well. I wasn't -exactly- sure what the proper height was for the really good EMP booms. But meh, I'll just say the Felucans fiddled with it somewhat. ^.^ The joys of FFRP.

But meh, pretty much no matter what, Sochatopia is toast as far as electronics go. >.> I'm only doing EMPs so that I don't have to nuke him into glass.

I am sorry, but subsonic and ballistic missile do not mesh at all. It is still theoretically possible to stealth a ballistic missile against RADAR. However, there is no possible way for your missile to hide the Infrared and heat signatures generated by both the rocket engines and the airfriction heating up the skin of the inbound warhead.

As to EMP, it is possible to harden electronics against electromagnetic pulse, it is standard in my military.

Finally, expect to see me coming in.

Why would you come in? It's a pretty even fight right now as far as I can see.

OOC: It is? Oops, I already made an IC post... but I am joining on Blackhelms side.

Well. I wasn't -exactly- sure what the proper height was for the really good EMP booms. But meh, I'll just say the Felucans fiddled with it somewhat. ^.^ The joys of FFRP.

But meh, pretty much no matter what, Sochatopia is toast as far as electronics go. >.> I'm only doing EMPs so that I don't have to nuke him into glass.

To cover the US you would have to detonate an EMP at around 250-300 miles, close to where the space shuttle would fly. :p

I am sorry, but subsonic and ballistic missile do not mesh at all. It is still theoretically possible to stealth a ballistic missile against RADAR. However, there is no possible way for your missile to hide the Infrared and heat signatures generated by both the rocket engines and the airfriction heating up the skin of the inbound warhead.

Well, the first way to hide the heat produced by an engine... is to turn the engine off. ICBM's float along the upper atmosphere... they dont use engines to propel themselves once they reach desired heights. And the air friction that high up is very low... as there is very little air up there. So when can they actually track the ICBM? When it takes off, and when it lands. Well, the chances that any given IR device will be looking at the exact launch spot when the missile is fired is next to none. So now they have to track the missile, off IR, when it's coming down. Well, thats very difficult. The IR produced from Air Friction during the decent would be comparable to a meteor, or a falling plane. Targeting a missile off the reading from this IR Reading is near immpossible, let alone hitting it. If he could even determine the heat signature was a missile, he still has to shoot it down in less than thirty seconds. Shooting down an ICBM during its decent being very, very difficult. So basically, he can see it for about thirty seconds on IR Readings... however, he doesn't really know what 'it' is. And once he does, shooting it down isnt very likely.

To cover the US you would have to detonate an EMP at around 250-300 miles, close to where the space shuttle would fly. :p

I saw some illustration of an EMP going off over the USA on 'Future Weapons'. Hmm. They were talking about terrorism, though.

Err... you do realise that any and all sattelites designed to detect ballistic missile launches carry Infrared detection equipment?

Plus, the ICBM will be visible on Infrared not for the last thirty seconds, try the last 8 minutes.

Besides, my missile defence system is designed mostly to intercept ICBMs at the best time, during the boost phase, when the engine is on.

And he would know what 'it' is, given that he just detected a rocket engine going into a half-ballistic arch towards his nation.

EDIT: doing some research, I found out that the re-entry phase is 2 minutes long. Plenty of time for some systems.

weight only 250 miles o weight thats times 70. 17500 square miles.

Err... you do realise that any and all sattelites designed to detect ballistic missile launches carry Infrared detection equipment?

Plus, the ICBM will be visible on Infrared not for the last thirty seconds, try the last 8 minutes.

Besides, my missile defence system is designed mostly to intercept ICBMs at the best time, during the boost phase, when the engine is on.

Ah, and you wouldn't consider it a godmod that you just happen to have a satellite looking at the exact little spot that I just happen to be firing my missile from? You pick up the heat signature from a satellite staring at earth... ok... and how does that satellite differentiate the heat produced from my missile from say... a fire inside a city? Or an iron smelting plant. Or a space craft shooting off. Or a bomb going off? It is physically immpossible to be looking at every square inch of the earth at every given second. You will probably pick up the flare of the ICBM when it takes off... but how do you know that it's a missile? IR shows heat. There is so much heat across the entire friggen world that there is no way that you sit there staring at a little blip on a computer screen and say, 'WHO! Missile!" No way you can pick up and target a missile based on flare as it takes off.

OOC:First off, there is a place called 'High Earth Orbit', from there, a sattelite can easily cover a majority of the Earths surface with scanners.

The sorting job is done by magical invention called a 'computer'. Each of those events you described actually does have a different infrared signature, ranging from the outright obvious(say, forest fire to rocket engine) to the subtle(space shuttle rockets to ICBM rockets). Anyone of these differences can be sorted out by a computer.

It IS possible and is in use currently, has been since the 60s actually.

So.. erm, Sochatopia, can you post some results for the EMP attack? You said your country was like England? There's enough EMPs to cover that kind of territory 4 or 5 times.

OOC:First off, there is a place called 'High Earth Orbit', from there, a sattelite can easily cover a majority of the Earths surface with scanners.

*cough it is physically impossible to cover over half the Earth from orbit cough*

Now where did I say half? I said majority didnt I? Besides, anybody with the proper sense would change the orbit of his sattelites so they would be over the enemies missile silos and/or typical operational areas for enemy missile submarines. The Soviet Union and United States did so in the Cold War.

Now where did I say half? I said majority didnt I?

Majority inherently means more than half.

Now where did I say half? I said majority didnt I? Besides, anybody with the proper sense would change the orbit of his sattelites so they would be over the enemies missile silos and/or typical operational areas for enemy missile submarines. The Soviet Union and United States did so in the Cold War.
I said "more than half". And majority > half. Math is fun!

Oh... yeah... thats right, well... at least 1/7 of the Earth, which is quite large.

So.. erm, Sochatopia, can you post some results for the EMP attack? You said your country was like England? There's enough EMPs to cover that kind of territory 4 or 5 times.

OCC sorry ill post now. but i am going to be on and off so and my countys like great brittion and ireland but its twice as large.

I am sorry, but subsonic and ballistic missile do not mesh at all. It is still theoretically possible to stealth a ballistic missile against RADAR. However, there is no possible way for your missile to hide the Infrared and heat signatures generated by both the rocket engines and the airfriction heating up the skin of the inbound warhead.

As to EMP, it is possible to harden electronics against electromagnetic pulse, it is standard in my military.

Finally, expect to see me coming in.


that is what i thought. Also what somone said about it can hide in heated areas is false, Most missles make very specific heat signatures.

So you see the missile being shot, you target it via the rocket flare, you fire a counter weapon... that weapon is tracking the flare and heat signature, not the rocket itself. Once that flare dies, as it does in the upper atmosphere, so does your target...

And the thing about a satellite being able to track 1/7 of NS Earths Surface... not a snowballs chance in hell. The NS Earth is usually agreed to be about the size of jupiter. No way in hell you can get a satellite watching 1/7 the surface with such preciscion that it can knock out missile flare. And then the question of, 'Well, why aren't your Anti-Missile Systems firing on every ICBM shot off?' Every RL day ten RP'ers RP firing ICBM's, not once are you shooting them down. The bottom line is, it is extremely difficult to even pick up an ICBM based soley of IR equiptment, heaven forbid their are clouds in the sky, which actually do interfere with the effectiveness, but to actually lock onto a missile using IR... thats why RADAR is the #1 detection system in the world. Tracking a missiles' heat signature isnt as easy as saying, 'I see everything! I automatically target everything! I win!' Tracking and obtaining heat signatures is a very difficult thing to do, especially when measures are taken to minimalize and distort those signatures, as they are on the C-12.

OOC: It is? Oops, I already made an IC post... but I am joining on Blackhelms side.

SCORE ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS!!

SCORE ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS!!

were the Heck have you been ITs been me Vs Kroando and the Xeno and o yea i forgot they both sent huge fleets trying to invade me I have fought Kroando conventionaly and as for The Xeno i have made the mistake of using Nuclear weapons. Blackhelm this was supposed to be were the CA starts helping you. Now im being rendered incapible by EMP. I need help.

Heh, Blackhelm totally left you out in the cold on this one. >.>

Soch, Cut your friggin' losses man and go join GASN... Blackhelm isn't worth it. You really aren't going to be able to stop us... especially now that you have... no workable electronics.

Heh, Blackhelm totally left you out in the cold on this one. >.>

Yea i knoticed i will make a peace treaty but on alot of conditions i may even fight blackhelm leaving me to die is another form of treason. As for joining GASA no beacuse i cant my goverment a empirer not a democracy.

Yea i knoticed i will make a peace treaty but on alot of conditions i may even fight blackhelm leaving me to die is another form of treason. As for joining GASA no beacuse i cant my goverment a empirer not a democracy.

I could fix that with a cruise missile. ^.^

Yea i knoticed i will make a peace treaty but on alot of conditions i may even fight blackhelm leaving me to die is another form of treason. As for joining GASA no beacuse i cant my goverment a empirer not a democracy.

Well, they don't only accept democracies. Of course, being able to spell their name correctly would probably be a plus.

I could fix that with a cruise missile. ^.^

No i like my govement thanks I dont think you know were he is anyway.

sorry guys but i have to pull out....i have no time to comit to a full rp, real sorry bout that..i hate when people do this. and now i am doing it....which sucks.

sorry guys but i have to pull out....i have no time to comit to a full rp, real sorry bout that..i hate when people do this. and now i am doing it....which sucks.

:mad: that is what that makes me you promise support them it dosnt come.

So you see the missile being shot, you target it via the rocket flare, you fire a counter weapon... that weapon is tracking the flare and heat signature, not the rocket itself. Once that flare dies, as it does in the upper atmosphere, so does your target...

More like you launch the missile and it is promptly hit by a nearby, orbiting brilliant pebble before it comes anywhere near its rocket engine turning off.

As for the sattelite thing, generally you can put up more then one sattelite... and if you really have to, you can move it over your enemies missile silos.

Yea i knoticed i will make a peace treaty but on alot of conditions i may even fight blackhelm leaving me to die is another form of treason. As for joining GASA no beacuse i cant my goverment a empirer not a democracy.

dude, i was at work. I cant be on NS 24/7. I'm helping you now.

Not on the nation of Sochatopia no war re payments Hes kind of like Austra hungry during WW2 he started the war but gremany got the blame.

Umm... hmm... So here is the thing... Austria-Hungary did not exist during WWII. And it certainly was the German's fault for starting that war.

Now, if you were referring to WWI, in which the Austrian heir to the throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Princip, it wasn't really the Austrian's fault either. Had the German's not given a Carte Blanche to the Austrians then full all out war might not have started. Furthermore it was Germany who declared war on Russia and France and violated Belgium's neutrality...

*2 Cents*

dude, i was at work. I cant be on NS 24/7. I'm helping you now.

its not just you all of our allies have left me Desertion is what it is called im not sure right now post a few and well see but im still ticked. Im unsure in a desision.

Umm... hmm... So here is the thing... Austria-Hungary did not exist during WWII. And it certainly was the German's fault for starting that war.

Now, if you were referring to WWI, in which the Austrian heir to the throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Princip, it wasn't really the Austrian's fault either. Had the German's not given a Carte Blanche to the Austrians then full all out war might not have started. Furthermore it was Germany who declared war on Russia and France and violated Belgium's neutrality...

*2 Cents*


I am talking about WW1 and its Austra hungrys fault beacuse they decided to attack serbia who was allied with russia. who attacked Austra hungry who gremany was just defending. We can agree to disagree.

uh...Bonstock is mobilizing is fleet to attack Kroandos, and I have no idea what Helexeo is doing, Zachyd kinda got laughed out, and Beiraq has no fleet. Also, I'm in talks with Kraven to counter invade.

Before this turns into an argument to clutter the IC thread, Blackhelm:

A.) The E-1 has a terrain mapping program that's based off of a combination of lightwaves, soundwaves and magnetics. It can form basicly perfect maps of terrain in 3-dimensions.

B.) In the case of water, all ships cause displacement. This is basicly a 'hole' in the water where the hull sits. Having a 'hole' in water is an anomaly, and is very detectable.

C.) Your ships are there. Just because they haven't attacked doesn't mean I'm not going to hit them.

D.) Heh.. 'visual stealth'. :rolleyes: Don't get me started. You say it's made of little 'video plates'. Glass is RADAR reflective. Plastic is RADAR reflective. The ENERGY required to run thousands of 'video plates' is detectable. So.. yeah.

E.) You do realize that when airplanes are visually searching for ships, they usually can't even see the SHIP itself, they see the wake and bow V. Which again.. all surface ships leave. It looks a lot like an arrow, actually.

With the visual stealth, go argue with DMG, he has it too.

With the displacement, did you ever see tommorrow never dies? Most of the ship is above the water.It would displace very little water.

With the visual stealth, go argue with DMG, he has it too.

With the displacement, did you ever see tommorrow never dies? Most of the ship is above the water.It would displace very little water.

Doesn't matter how much it displaces. It's detectable. Please respond to the attack appropriately.

you really are a baby, and I will treat you like one.

Doesn't matter how much it displaces. It's detectable. Please respond to the attack appropriately.


it is....it is just the signal was sooooo weak that it is harder to find and missles are not as effective too because it is harder to lock-on.

Actually, I agree with Xenos, crafts ARE detectable through one means or another.

:mad: that is what that makes me you promise support them it dosnt come.



ya sorry....might join in later but for now there is no possible way i can make time.

Actually, I agree with Xenos, crafts ARE detectable through one means or another.

They are, but not by any of the methods he put forth. It is very hard to find these bad boys. You would need to practically run into it.

They are, but not by any of the methods he put forth. It is very hard to find these bad boys. You would need to practically run into it.


Explain to me how you think stealth works. Then I'll give you a quick lesson in reality.

You explain to me how you found it. And I made an IC response to your attack.

Actually, I agree with Xenos, crafts ARE detectable through one means or another.

I even agree.

The visual stealth basically is a bunch of hooey.

All things that exist can be detected.

You explain to me how you found it. And I made an IC response to your attack.

So your ship weighs as much as a bathtub?

Do you have any fucking concept as to what displacement is? Have you ever attended even a basic science course in your life?

This is why I didn't want to be involved in this with you. You're a fucking child who wants to godmode and thinks that "I SAWE IT ON TEH JAMES BOND SHOWZ!1ONE!1" vindicates what you're doing.

Further:

Originally Posted by Blackhelm Confederacy
All either DMG or RL. The chieftain and Kraken I got from DMG, the Daring is a RL British AA destroyer.

IC: The Xeno attack was pointless. The Stealth ships were displacing about as much water as was nearby pieces of garbage. Random things were being blown up all around. Since it was just outside of a busy harbor, there was plenty of trash around. Still, one of the ships was damaged when a nearby bathtub, floating by from the filth harbor of Port Michaels was hit, and the pieces of it scratched into the video plates, causing a few to malfunction.


Even DMG is telling you that's bullshit, and he's the one you got the tech from.

Sort of a good point however you would have seen alot of trade ships around the port how do you know that the displacement isnt form one of them and your missles may have just hit Ships full of oil fule. actualy ill post it if you want it is kind of fair this way at least you hit somthing.

Sort of a good point however you would have seen alot of trade ships around the port how do you know that the displacement isnt form one of them and your missles may have just hit Ships full of oil fule. actualy ill post it if you want it is kind of fair this way at least you hit somthing.

Because THOSE ships would show up on a RADAR scan. There'd be a matching RADAR profile to go along with the topographical mapping.

However, having a 'blank' area where your mapper tells you there's a ship, usually says something is avoiding your RADAR, and that says 'military'. Since it's not Korando's ships, it's an enemy.

Xeno. Your a loser. Your probaly 34 and live with your mom. All you do is whine, bitch, and complain. I understand very well what displacement is. This ship is built to it evenly displaces water, in two different areas, creating a very small amount of displacement in any one area. Your little displacement finding doohickeys would not be able tp distinguish it very well from much other debris floating in and out of Port Michaels harbor. Not only that, but I must ask, did you not Godmod to have your planes within 15 miles of Soch's capitol, without being struck, or even detected by his AA?

And also, my spelling is better than that, and James Bond is a movie, not a show.

Because THOSE ships would show up on a RADAR scan. There'd be a matching RADAR profile to go along with the topographical mapping.

However, having a 'blank' area where your mapper tells you there's a ship, usually says something is avoiding your RADAR, and that says 'military'. Since it's not Korando's ships, it's an enemy.

another good point blackhelm im inclined to agree he saw you and they must displace more than they weight if they have 1 cruies missle thats enoughtf however the missles hitting is a diffrent matter how would they follow blackhelms ships i dont think a missle could track based on displacement alone.

That was before my defences were down by EMP.

Your both acting like children no more personal attacks either of you or youll go to bed with out dinner.

another good point blackhelm im inclined to agree he saw you and they must displace more than they weight if they have 1 cruies missle thats enoughtf however the missles hitting is a diffrent matter how would they follow blackhelms ships i dont think a missle could track based on displacement alone.

They're not missiles. They're JSOWs. Guided bombs. That's the point of working with an AWAC. The AWAC directs the plane where it needs to go, sends out a signal telling the plane where the enemy is (Even if the pilot can't see it) and gives them a precise attack pattern to strike with.

Now...

A lone P-2 Orion patrol aircraft flew over the water in front of the Bonstocknian forward picket force. Suddenly, a few blips could be sighed on its radar screen.

"Commander," a technician said, "You might want to check this out."

The Commander walked over. "By god its the whole damn Kroandan fleet! And they're just about in range of our carriers."

The aircraft soon radioed the superdread Port Yuko

"Big Boy, this is Eyeglass 5. Report contact with enemy fleet bearing 246 at 1000 km out from the main task force."

"Roger."

Admiral Brown soon got word of what the P-2 had found.

"Launch an immidiate strike," he commanded. "I want as many F-35s in the air as we can get."

"Yes, sir!" an orderly said.

Meanwhile, nearly four-hundred F-35s and about a hundred EA-6 Prowlers took off from the decks of the Bonstocknian carriers. Over an area of several kilometers the sky was black with fighters. Refueling from several converted old A-6 Intruders, they continued on straight towards the Kroandan fleet...

How did they get there so fast? It took me weeks, upon weeks IC, days RL... you got there in like.... twenty minutes! I mean one second im engaging Socha and Black, the next your fleet drops out of no where. How did they cover so much distance so fast?

Xeno. Your a loser. Your probaly 34 and live with your mom. All you do is whine, bitch, and complain. I understand very well what displacement is. This ship is built to it evenly displaces water, in two different areas, creating a very small amount of displacement in any one area. Your little displacement finding doohickeys would not be able tp distinguish it very well from much other debris floating in and out of Port Michaels harbor. Not only that, but I must ask, did you not Godmod to have your planes within 15 miles of Soch's capitol, without being struck, or even detected by his AA?

And also, my spelling is better than that, and James Bond is a movie, not a show.

Lemme teach you something.

From how you're describing it, the ship looks a lot like... this...
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea-shadow-140417.jpg

Okay. So it sits up out of the water. But what you -don't- see is the fact that where those 'fins' go in, they're connected to the engines, which are roughly missile/torpedo shaped objects which are quite big.

As you can see from this picture, this ship isn't very big. It's about the size of a patrol boat. It's only 164 feet long.

Even still, it displaces over 570 metric tons of water. That's with minimal crew, (10), no weaponry and very little electronics. (Side-note, it only goes 10 knots due to the ineffeciency of the design.)

Now if you increase the dimensions even marginally, the displacement begins to go up disporportionately, because the more weight you want to keep up, the bigger those ballast tanks have to be.

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As to your 'visual' stealth. It might work against someone who is visually searching for a ship from sea level (Hence the term 'VISUAL STEALTH'). But as soon as you get into the air above the ship, the wake left behind is obvious. (In this case, it would form parallel lines in the water, with a faint fog-wake between.) The faster it goes, the longer the wake.

Putting cammo netting over something, or painting an aircraft light blue, or wearing a green uniform in a forest are all considered -visual stealth-, it helps, but it doesn't make you invisible.

However, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. The flaw here is, you're basicly trying to use television screens to hide. They're going to reflect RADAR back. They're going to ping on SONAR. They're going to give off EM emissons. There's a lot of voltage in televisions and video screens, and if you took a cheap, commercial EM detector within a couple hundred feet of your average television, it'd register faintly.

The bigger the screen or the more screens there are, the more powerful the emissions will be and the better they can be tracked. Heh, military equipment is extremely powerful, and could increase the detection range of EM detection by manyfold.

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If you cover your ship with video equipment, you drasticly increase the weight. This means, MORE displacement.

Typically stealth works by building something out of stealthy materials, (Usually fabric-based components) and using a copper mesh underlaying, which helps to absorb RADAR energy so that it will not refract. Whatever RADAR signature would be otherwise given off is usually negated by the shape of the craft.

That's for aircraft.

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With ships however, it's much different. The best that can be done is to lower a RADAR signature down to almost nothing, but they're still detectable, it's just harder to do at long range with RADAR because of the shape.

Warships still have to be built with armor, and weaponry, and a hull that won't bend or break whenever the ship has to take evasive manuvers, which by the way, creates a -lot- of stress on the superstructure.

Lemme teach you something.

From how you're describing it, the ship looks a lot like... this...
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea-shadow-140417.jpg

Okay. So it sits up out of the water. But what you -don't- see is the fact that where those 'fins' go in, they're connected to the engines, which are roughly missile/torpedo shaped objects which are quite big.

As you can see from this picture, this ship isn't very big. It's about the size of a patrol boat. It's only 164 feet long.

Even still, it displaces over 570 metric tons of water. That's with minimal crew, (10), no weaponry and very little electronics. (Side-note, it only goes 10 knots due to the ineffeciency of the design.)

Now if you increase the dimensions even marginally, the displacement begins to go up disporportionately, because the more weight you want to keep up, the bigger those ballast tanks have to be.

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As to your 'visual' stealth. It might work against someone who is visually searching for a ship from sea level (Hence the term 'VISUAL STEALTH'). But as soon as you get into the air above the ship, the wake left behind is obvious. (In this case, it would form parallel lines in the water, with a faint fog-wake between.) The faster it goes, the longer the wake.

Putting cammo netting over something, or painting an aircraft light blue, or wearing a green uniform in a forest are all considered -visual stealth-, it helps, but it doesn't make you invisible.

However, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. The flaw here is, you're basicly trying to use television screens to hide. They're going to reflect RADAR back. They're going to ping on SONAR. They're going to give off EM emissons. There's a lot of voltage in televisions and video screens, and if you took a cheap, commercial EM detector within a couple hundred feet of your average television, it'd register faintly.

The bigger the screen or the more screens there are, the more powerful the emissions will be and the better they can be tracked. Heh, military equipment is extremely powerful, and could increase the detection range of EM detection by manyfold.

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If you cover your ship with video equipment, you drasticly increase the weight. This means, MORE displacement.

Typically stealth works by building something out of stealthy materials, (Usually fabric-based components) and using a copper mesh underlaying, which helps to absorb RADAR energy so that it will not refract. Whatever RADAR signature would be otherwise given off is usually negated by the shape of the craft.

That's for aircraft.

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With ships however, it's much different. The best that can be done is to lower a RADAR signature down to almost nothing, but they're still detectable, it's just harder to do at long range with RADAR because of the shape.

Warships still have to be built with armor, and weaponry, and a hull that won't bend or break whenever the ship has to take evasive manuvers, which by the way, creates a -lot- of stress on the superstructure.

As for the stealth thing your both doing things wrong Blackhelm he gave a good way to see your ships. Xeno you went wrong when you attacked 15 miles off my cost with the airdefences it would be hard remember thats before the EMP thing so they would have still have been active.

I'm waiting for your appropriate, realistic reply now Blackhelm. I've made my point quite accurate, you are the only one here who disagrees with it.

I'm waiting for your appropriate, realistic reply now Blackhelm. I've made my point quite accurate, you are the only one here who disagrees with it.

Just remember to take appropiet losses when you attack F2 steath is comprimsed Before EMP. Now every one can we get on with the RP and stop this shooting match.

I still want to know how you avoided Sochatopian AA 15 miles from his capitol.

I still want to know how you avoided Sochatopian AA 15 miles from his capitol.

He hasn't posted that it fired at me. Conventional AA artillery doesn't have a 15 mile range. SAMs do, but he hasn't used them.

well sorry thats week i was weighting for blackhelm to respond but i will now.

He hasn't posted that it fired at me. Conventional AA artillery doesn't have a 15 mile range. SAMs do, but he hasn't used them.


By this theory, I can say "I am over the New Felucan capitol. My Tu-22's are littering the city with bombs. I win always."

How did they get there so fast? It took me weeks, upon weeks IC, days RL... you got there in like.... twenty minutes! I mean one second im engaging Socha and Black, the next your fleet drops out of no where. How did they cover so much distance so fast?

ooc: the RP was moving fairly slow cause of everyone fighting OOC... if it makes you happy I'll ignore that and find another way to attack you, otherwise I'd say what I did was fairly reasonable. This is NS, distances aren't set in stone.

If you want I'll lower the scale a bit, say I had two carriers as an advance force and they launched about forty planes. We'll say the rest of them should come, say, at page twelve of the RP. 'til then, all I got is two carriers. That alright?

By this theory, I can say "I am over the New Felucan capitol. My Tu-22's are littering the city with bombs. I win always."

Not quite. At any point, he can interrupt and post an action.

I used one large post because I assumed he wouldn't shoot at my aircraft since Blackhelm basicly left Soch's whole country out to dry, and well, Blackhelm sure wouldn't be seeing them approach. He said his ships were in stealth mode, which means RADAR and IR sensing are off.

I honestly don't know why Soch would even defend Blackhelm's ships, considering how badly they've been screwed in this.

They were not screwed at all, CA fleets are en route to save his nation right now.

They were not screwed at all, CA fleets are en route to save his nation right now.

Kinda late, considering they got mauled with EMPs.

ooc: the RP was moving fairly slow cause of everyone fighting OOC... if it makes you happy I'll ignore that and find another way to attack you, otherwise I'd say what I did was fairly reasonable. This is NS, distances aren't set in stone.

If you want I'll lower the scale a bit, say I had two carriers as an advance force and they launched about forty planes. We'll say the rest of them should come, say, at page twelve of the RP. 'til then, all I got is two carriers. That alright?

Right, but if you were close enough to make it there that quickly, I could have RP'd being there a long time ago. What I mean is, if I moved my fleet as quickly as yours is moving, I would be in the end of a land invasion by now. I guess two carriers is fine... forward units...

So your ship weighs as much as a bathtub?

Do you have any fucking concept as to what displacement is? Have you ever attended even a basic science course in your life?

This is why I didn't want to be involved in this with you. You're a fucking child who wants to godmode and thinks that "I SAWE IT ON TEH JAMES BOND SHOWZ!1ONE!1" vindicates what you're doing.
Xeno. Your a loser. Your probaly 34 and live with your mom. All you do is whine, bitch, and complain. I understand very well what displacement is. This ship is built to it evenly displaces water, in two different areas, creating a very small amount of displacement in any one area. Your little displacement finding doohickeys would not be able tp distinguish it very well from much other debris floating in and out of Port Michaels harbor. Not only that, but I must ask, did you not Godmod to have your planes within 15 miles of Soch's capitol, without being struck, or even detected by his AA?

And also, my spelling is better than that, and James Bond is a movie, not a show.
OOC: Damn, I missed a fight?! I coulda had popcorn...
D.) Heh.. 'visual stealth'. Don't get me started. You say it's made of little 'video plates'. Glass is RADAR reflective. Plastic is RADAR reflective. The ENERGY required to run thousands of 'video plates' is detectable. So.. yeah.

Just so everyone knows, there IS plausible visual stealth in naval ships. And it's called the "submarine". I'm just sayin', you want stealth, go under the waves.

Ah crap, what have I missed?

Is everyone alright if I use my PMT battlesuits, they aren't mechas, infact they're my regular infantry...

I'm good with it. So toops, how is your navy?

Kinda late, considering they got mauled with EMPs.

Their here now thats what counts but I will say we change this title to tering down of the CA.

Ah crap, what have I missed?

Is everyone alright if I use my PMT battlesuits, they aren't mechas, infact they're my regular infantry...


No offence but i dont really like MT and PMT mixing. I think nothing greater than EMP missle defences and metal storms. After that its PMT were playing avanced MT. IM glad we have another allie.

I'm good with it. So toops, how is your navy?

just as shit as always, you should know that...

If you have a problem with my using PMT then I'll accept using my MT soldiers but I'll only send in my elites, I really don't fancy RPing a huge army here.

just as shit as always, you should know that...

If you have a problem with my using PMT then I'll accept using my MT soldiers but I'll only send in my elites, I really don't fancy RPing a huge army here.

Ok thats great any help we can get.

Where do you need soldiers, I was thinking of sending in a few small infiltration squads escorted by a SMU Brigade and possibly some of my expertly trained marksmen, but that may change if I'm deploying straight into enemy territory...

I'd like to get involved, but I need to know some things; Do I need to read all of the OOC thread or IC thread? Where are my troops needed? How many? I'll be at Griffincrest's side, by the way.

The Second Reich is interested in getting involved in this conflict, as I am currently looking for a good modern tech RP to debut myself.

For one, though, I fear that this is too far advanced for me to join, and secondly, I fear that I have no reason too.

I will read the entirety of both OOC and IC threads if you want, but it would be easier if I could receive a summary. Please?

Xeno. Your a loser. Your probaly 34 and live with your mom.

Blackhelm, you know, Xeno could report you to the mods for that comment. It would be considered Flaming.

Ok Kroando decided to attack blackhelm beacuse of reasons its in the preramble. I am allied with blackhelm and when to help him.Along with others. the Kroando decided to make a example of me and sent his fleet here along with the Xeon who also hates blackhelm. I used a nuclear weapon on Xeons fleet he EMP my nation. I launched a airstrike on Kroando fleet 2 times both with modirate success.Now a navel battle is starting.

Questions:

Where is the major fighting, specifically?

Does any nation involved have a significant enough German population for my nation to take notice of some sort of abuse of them, whether imagined or not (the EMP for example)?

Questions:

Where is the major fighting, specifically?

Does any nation involved have a significant enough German population for my nation to take notice of some sort of abuse of them, whether imagined or not (the EMP for example)?


major fighting navel battle off my cost.

I dont know not in my nation anyone else?

Not me, I'm all Roman decended.

Kroando, was my post wrong or something? I had all of your torpedoes headed for the Kraken.

me no thinks hes on.

@Soch.
me no thinks hes on.

If I dont put in my twelve hours a day, I wont be able to pay Comcast, and ill never be on.

@Black.
Kroando, was my post wrong or something? I had all of your torpedoes headed for the Kraken.

Ah, hadn't seen the edited version. Regarding the casualties an whatnot. It is true, the Kraken does have 25 Guardian Turrets. A guardian turret is basically a ASHUM Gun, which simply targets enemy torpedo's, and fires high velocity munitions at them. They are effective, being able to knock out torpedos once they hit them. However the key part of the issue is, the Kraken has 25. The ASHUM Gun can shoot down one, two, mabey, mabey three Torpedos a piece by the time they come within range. So basically, by the time the torpedos are within range, to the time they hit the ship, each ASHUM can shoot down three, at the very most, on average two. The Guardian Turrets seem to be nearly identicle to the ASHUM's, and giving you and DMG the benefit of the doubt, ill say each Turret could shoot down five torpedo's each, any more and it's really getting to the point of godmod. Thats over double what it normally should shoot down, over double what most of the old time tech builders agreed on. So lets say each Guardian Turret could shoot down 5 torpedo's between the time they came within firing range to the time they hit... twenty five turrets... five torpedo's each (assuming they all have perfect line of sight, and none malfunction)... thats 125 Torpedos shot down. I fired 336 Torpedos. That leaves near 211 MT-4 Torpedos hitting the hull, not 3. As far as I can see, the Guardian Turrets are the only Anti-Torpedo Defences on the ship... so if there is any reason those 211 torpedos aren't hitting, tell me.

Ah, I saw the second.

The first is a normal decoy system that is launched into the water and distracts the torpedo with sounds and heat signatures.

MT-4 Torpedo's are Laser Guided. Sounds and heat signatures only confuse SONAR and IR Guided Weapons. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt... somehow 11 torpedo's, which are laser guided (immune to the counter charges) were destroyed. That still leaves 200 torpedos locked onto your hull...

Regarding the Anti-Shipping missiles. Only 200 were fired at the Kraken, the other 248 went after the Destroyers... they aren't nearly as well defended. Theres also a slight problem with the shooting down of the Anti-Shipping missiles... but the Torpedo's first... I dont think the Kraken is capable of shooting down that many torpedos with so few counter measure weapons.

And regarding your counter... The Kraken shot off 10 torpedos... how bout the other ships? They fire any?

@Bonstock.

Im still not really sure how, out of 42 AA Missiles only three hit. Ok, Chaff and Flares. Flares are only effective against IR Targeted Missiles, ergo, useless against my LADAR Guided Missiles. Chaff... mainly effective vs. radar guided, minimally effective against advanced ladar systems. And then theres the thing that prowlers were made int eh late 1960's. They can outmanuver or dodge NS Tech AA Missiles, hell niether can the F-35's. I threw three missiles a pieces at your aircraft, and somehow the majority of them survived? How? Not chaff... it's effectiveness against modern radar guided missiles is minimal... against NS LADAR guided... hell, it might throw off a few missiles... but the casualties would be much higher. I dont like to complain, but I just dont see how all of my missiles keep missing.

No, the othe ships did not fire, a few P-3's were sent out to conserve ammunition. I will, once again re-write the rest, I thought you only fired 36 torpedoes, sorry.

@Soch.


If I dont put in my twelve hours a day, I wont be able to pay Comcast, and ill never be on.

@Black.


Ah, hadn't seen the edited version. Regarding the casualties an whatnot. It is true, the Kraken does have 25 Guardian Turrets. A guardian turret is basically a ASHUM Gun, which simply targets enemy torpedo's, and fires high velocity munitions at them. They are effective, being able to knock out torpedos once they hit them. However the key part of the issue is, the Kraken has 25. The ASHUM Gun can shoot down one, two, mabey, mabey three Torpedos a piece by the time they come within range. So basically, by the time the torpedos are within range, to the time they hit the ship, each ASHUM can shoot down three, at the very most, on average two. The Guardian Turrets seem to be nearly identicle to the ASHUM's, and giving you and DMG the benefit of the doubt, ill say each Turret could shoot down five torpedo's each, any more and it's really getting to the point of godmod. Thats over double what it normally should shoot down, over double what most of the old time tech builders agreed on. So lets say each Guardian Turret could shoot down 5 torpedo's between the time they came within firing range to the time they hit... twenty five turrets... five torpedo's each (assuming they all have perfect line of sight, and none malfunction)... thats 125 Torpedos shot down. I fired 336 Torpedos. That leaves near 211 MT-4 Torpedos hitting the hull, not 3. As far as I can see, the Guardian Turrets are the only Anti-Torpedo Defences on the ship... so if there is any reason those 211 torpedos aren't hitting, tell me.

Ah, I saw the second.



MT-4 Torpedo's are Laser Guided. Sounds and heat signatures only confuse SONAR and IR Guided Weapons. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt... somehow 11 torpedo's, which are laser guided (immune to the counter charges) were destroyed. That still leaves 200 torpedos locked onto your hull...

Regarding the Anti-Shipping missiles. Only 200 were fired at the Kraken, the other 248 went after the Destroyers... they aren't nearly as well defended. Theres also a slight problem with the shooting down of the Anti-Shipping missiles... but the Torpedo's first... I dont think the Kraken is capable of shooting down that many torpedos with so few counter measure weapons.

And regarding your counter... The Kraken shot off 10 torpedos... how bout the other ships? They fire any?

@Bonstock.

Im still not really sure how, out of 42 AA Missiles only three hit. Ok, Chaff and Flares. Flares are only effective against IR Targeted Missiles, ergo, useless against my LADAR Guided Missiles. Chaff... mainly effective vs. radar guided, minimally effective against advanced ladar systems. And then theres the thing that prowlers were made int eh late 1960's. They can outmanuver or dodge NS Tech AA Missiles, hell niether can the F-35's. I threw three missiles a pieces at your aircraft, and somehow the majority of them survived? How? Not chaff... it's effectiveness against modern radar guided missiles is minimal... against NS LADAR guided... hell, it might throw off a few missiles... but the casualties would be much higher. I dont like to complain, but I just dont see how all of my missiles keep missing.


Theirs actualy a good reason more torpedos would be destoyed launching 336 torpedos at one ship if one torpedo was hit by a system then it would explode causing a chain reaction one explodes causing the the other to beacuse they would have to be very close together 336 attacking 1 ship.

Are you going to respond to my attack .

Guh naval battle, just tell me when that's over and I'll send in troops, I hate Naval battles!

me too. I never know what is going on.

And Kroando, better now?

Well, other than the damage would be more like a bunch of small holes and tears rather than one large one, its about right. Posting.

First off, I don't know how anyone can reload a VLS battery at sea. I suppose in very calm seas you can get a ship with a crane to get onto the side of a destroyer/cruiser/whatever and lower a missile, one by one.

VLS and Armoured Box missiles are meant to be used once then refilled at port.

There are missile systems that use rails and have a reloading module behind them.

First off, I don't know how anyone can reload a VLS battery at sea. I suppose in very calm seas you can get a ship with a crane to get onto the side of a destroyer/cruiser/whatever and lower a missile, one by one.

I dont think you read the description of the submarine. If you had, well... you would know.

VLS and Armoured Box missiles are meant to be used once then refilled at port.

Thats nice... read the description of the submarine. If you have anymore problems, complain to Macabees at Kriegzimmer.

I suppose the Blackhelm ships have to leave at least a wake in the waters so manual targetting with cannons and bombs would work.

Not a chance. Firing a 14inch ETC Gun at a submarine less than 1,000 yards away from it... the ship would blow itself apart. And manual targetting is always a poor idea in the first place.

Im still not really sure how, out of 42 AA Missiles only three hit. Ok, Chaff and Flares. Flares are only effective against IR Targeted Missiles, ergo, useless against my LADAR Guided Missiles. Chaff... mainly effective vs. radar guided, minimally effective against advanced ladar systems. And then theres the thing that prowlers were made int eh late 1960's. They can outmanuver or dodge NS Tech AA Missiles, hell niether can the F-35's. I threw three missiles a pieces at your aircraft, and somehow the majority of them survived? How? Not chaff... it's effectiveness against modern radar guided missiles is minimal... against NS LADAR guided... hell, it might throw off a few missiles... but the casualties would be much higher. I dont like to complain, but I just dont see how all of my missiles keep missing.

Some may have exploded just far enough away that the planes were merely damaged, or perhaps at times two or three missiles hit one aircraft. I'm not really an expert on launch-to-kill ratios for any missiles, so if you could get some info on that that might help our RP. As for LADAR, I have no idea what that is. Laser-ADAR? How does that work anyway? Could you provide me with some sort of link to a place where they would talk about it, preferably some sort of science journal?

@ Kroando, can you make a map of how your fleet is divided? And also, how many more missiles do your subs have?

@ Soch, aircraft offensives are obviously going to be useless. Do you have any battleships to toss in.

@ Bonstock, Red Tide, and Beiraq, how far from the combat zone are your fleets?

@ Helexeo, why don't you just full out naval blockade Kroando, he has a huge chunk of his fleet here.

@ Kroando, can you make a map of how your fleet is divided? And also, how many more missiles do your subs have?

@ Soch, aircraft offensives are obviously going to be useless. Do you have any battleships to toss in.

@ Bonstock, Red Tide, and Beiraq, how far from the combat zone are your fleets?

@ Helexeo, why don't you just full out naval blockade Kroando, he has a huge chunk of his fleet here.


You of little faith their are to many to shoot down and alot of his others forces are tied up.

You of little faith their are to many to shoot down and alot of his others forces are tied up.

I hope your right. And Xeno, your fleet just got nuked. How far are these guys? They are probably interceptable by the rest of the Confederate/Griffincrest fleet. Also, the Bonstockian/Red Tidean/Beiraqi fleet is going to be able to beat you to the Kroandons. They left waaaay before you.

I hope your right. And Xeno, your fleet just got nuked. How far are these guys? They are probably interceptable by the rest of the Confederate/Griffincrest fleet. Also, the Bonstockian/Red Tidean/Beiraqi fleet is going to be able to beat you to the Kroandons. They left waaaay before you.

Uhm. Where is said nuking post?

As to the part about Korando, we're not too far apart. We arrived at Soch's homeland basicly at the same time. We're within a couple hundred miles of each other, I'd imagine. Heh. I'd have sent some help over earlier if I wasn't dealing with Soch's nukes.

Soch, please tell the Xeno you nuked his navy.

And just in case anyone is wondering where I am pulling allies out of my ass from, I am in 3 different alliances, and also own the International Empires Club. That provides me with a plethora of nations to come to my aid.

Soch, please tell the Xeno you nuked his navy.

And just in case anyone is wondering where I am pulling allies out of my ass from, I am in 3 different alliances, and also own the International Empires Club. That provides me with a plethora of nations to come to my aid.

Xeno I did i posted you even responded remember the EMP thing. No offence man but are you alright I mean if you forgot that it only happened a few RL days ago.

Xeno I did i posted you even responded remember the EMP thing. No offence man but are you alright I mean if you forgot that it only happened a few RL days ago.

I remember that attack. I thought Blackhelm was referring to something new. I was confused. >.> - Blackhelm, I replied to that. I lost a bunch of ships.

I remember that attack. I thought Blackhelm was referring to something new. I was confused. >.> - Blackhelm, I replied to that. I lost a bunch of ships.

Ok good I thought you were out of it for a little wile. No offence intended lol

Xeno, your fleet got hit with nukes. They're gone man. They ain't commin back.

Ok good I thought you were out of it for a little wile. No offence intended lol

Naw. I was here, Blackhelm was like.. "Hey you got attacked with nukes" and I was like.. erm. Again? >.> Heh. Turns out it was old news. ^.^

Ok i get it now. Actualy blackhelm some of his fleet surivived but alot of destroyers and crusiers were destroyed.

Ok, lets say my fleets are outside of the coast of Soch. Who else is there? Is this a naval fight only currently, or are there enemy forces on the shore?

Currently its all naval, they have not been able to land yet. You will meet the Griffincrest, Beiraqi, Leafanistani, and Sochatopian fleets, as well as the lead elements of the Bostockian and Red Tidean fleet. O yea, and Deserted Territories has supersonic bombers in the area too.

On the other side, Kroandos fleet is being swarmed like its the victim of a wolfpack, and the Xeno's fleet got hit by a nuke and retreated, but apparently regrouped and is heading back to fight.

Navel fighting.

Hey blackhelm im thinking about quitting you have enough help and this is getting boring i want to rebuild my nation and get involved In a more active RP.

Just hold out, once Kroando gets back it will get more fun.

Ok but by friday I have to quite im going to michigan on vacation.

Can i use your fleet then?

When friday comes yes you can you know the stats right? Keep up the air attack they will sink those carriers.

See Kroando its alright to give your things to let a allie RP if you know you cant be on for a long time so it dosnt stop the RP.

I vote for kicking Curiism for godmodding, 52 Nimitz Class Carriers? Come on!

Heh. Another guy just sent 75,000 tanks and 200,000 HMMWV in one wave. ;)

... lol. And now that I look at it, he didn't send a SINGLE soldier to man all that equipment. *sigh* Lordy lordy. I want to quit this thread so badly.

And as far as I can see.. he didn't use a single transport to do this. *twiddles paws* You know, taking down Blackhelm would be a lot more fun and less lame if folks would stop numberwanking and godmodding. ^.^

Okay, I will definetly edit my post... That is usually my large scale invasion force and I am not really thinking right tday and posted that...

Also the are a few transport ships in that fleet (unless they got cut off at the bottom of my cut and past from word since I keep a few 'preset' groups on file there..) And usually I just bombard the shore and the sorrounding area so I can get the forces on bit by bit...

A most definate on the numberwanking, godmodding... well, godmodding tends to be complicated.