E20 UIR N/D Thread
Haneastic
24-07-2006, 02:08
Land: Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan
Leader: Inzamam Akbar
Population: 100 million
Executive Capital: Teheran
Legislative Capital: Kabul
Judicial Capital: Karachi
Shia Muslim: 41% (41 million)
Sunni Muslim: 58% (58 million)
Other: 1% (1 million)
UIR 1971 builds
Population: 94 million
Production Centers: 138x2= 276
Shipping and Commerce: 55
Oil: 15
Tourism: 9
Nuclear: 4
Natural Gas: 5
Food: 5.6
Total: 369.6
Growth: 4% (normal spending+ SCT bonus)
Maintenance: 151.5
2 HQ’s
12 Mechanized Flak Brigades
11 Garrison Unit
4 Mountain Brigades
6 Infantry Divisions
6 Infantry Divisions- Reserve
6 Mountain Brigades-Reserve
2 Parachute Brigades
2 Special Forces Brigades
6 Mechanized Artillery Groups
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
5 Armored Divisions*
3 Frigate Units
2 Corvette units
66 Expert Pilots
84 Regular Pilots
6 Helicopter Transport squadrons
30 Helicopter Gunship squadrons
18 Mirage F-1 squadrons
72 Saab Viggen squadrons
30 Nanchang EQ-5 squadrons
4 ETU-95 squadrons
4 Nova transport squadrons
4 Nova Tanker squadrons
3 Helicopter ASW squadron
5 2nd generation MRBM
Intelligence Agency
12 Tu-26 squadrons
2 Flak Brigades
25 Basij Militia units
9 Batches of Cyanogen Chloride
National Radar
3 Light Infantry Divisions
2 Flak Units
*Desert Storage*
15 Mirage G (Wild Weasel’s) squadrons
6 Mirage V (Wild Weasel’s) squadrons
36 Sab Viggen squadrons
Level 4 Social Safety Net: 45
Left: 183.1 (I think an additional 10 from France each year)
Builds:
Micro Computers (8/10): 5
Fortifications along Kashgarian-UIR border: 18
Operation Hearts: 72
36 Su-27 Squadrons: 72
Repair damages to pipelines: 3.1
3 Su-25's
Islamic Consulative Assembly: 300 members
Solidarity: 100
Conservatives: 90
Islamic Centrist Party: 90
Reformists: 20
Member of:
UIR-AF Alliance
ToD
French-Kurdistan-UIR-Basra alliance
Brazil-UIR treaty (I think, have to check with Brazil)
Haneastic
24-07-2006, 14:55
UIR armed forces circa 1970
UIR Army
UIR 1st Army: Guarding UIR-Pakistani border (on DMZ, not in it)
1 Armored Divisions
2 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
2 Mechanzied Flak Groups
1 Mechanized Artillery Group
1 HQ unit
1 Infantry Division
2 Attack Helicopters w/ 2 Regular Pilots
(total manpower, not including helicopters: 140,000)
UIR 2nd Army: Guarding UIR-Pakistani border (on DMZ, not in it)
1 Armored Divisions
2 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
2 Mechanzied Flak Groups
1 Mechanized Artillery Group
1 HQ unit
1 Infantry Division
2 Attack Helicopters w/ 2 Regular Pilots
(total manpower, not including helicopters: 140,000)
UIR 3rd Army: Behind 1st and 2nd Army
1 Armored Divisions
2 Mechanized Divisions
2 Mechanzied Flak Groups
2 Mechanized Artillery Groups
1 Infantry Division
2 Attack Helicopters w/ 2 Regular Pilots
(total manpower, not including helicopters: 120,000)
UIR 4th Army: In Pakistan and Afghanistan, with orders to eliminate rebel forces
10 Mountain Brigades
Total Manpower: 50,000
UIR 5th Army: Watching Western Border
2 Infantry Divisions
Total Manpower: 40,000
UIR 6th Army: Guarding Nuclear Stockpile & Chemical Weapons
2 Special Forces Parachute Brigades
2 Parachute Brigades
Total manpower: 20,000
UIR 7th Army: Iran and Afghanistan Garrison Command
3 Garrison Units (Teheran, Kabul, Ishafan)
12 Milita units (2 in Teheran, Qom, Ishafan, Kandahar, Kabul, Mashad)
UIR 8th Army: Pakistani and Central Asian Garrison Command
1 Garrison Unit (Karachi)
13 Militia units (2 in Tashkent, Hyderabad, Peshawar, Lahore, Quetta, Dushanbe, 1 in Gwadar)
1 Infantry Division (Karachi)
UIR Air Force
East: 18 Saab Viggens, 9 in Underground Airbases. 2 ETU-95's, 2 Nova Tankers, 8 EQ-5's, 17 Expert Pilots, 13 Regular Pilots
Central Reserve: 2 EQ-5's, 6 F-1's, 2 Mirage V's, 5 Mirage G's, 1 Tu-22M, 1 Helo ASW, 4 Attack Helicopters, 2 Transport Helicopters
UIR Navy
3 Frigate Unit (6 Frigates)
2 Corvette Units
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 15:02
UIR 1966 builds
Population: 94 million
Production Centers: 107=160.5
Shipping and Commerce: 25
Oil: 12
Tourism: 3
Nuclear: 2
Total: 202.5
Growth: 0%
Maintenance: 47.5
11 Flak Brigades
5 Garrison Unit
4 Mountain Brigades
6 Infantry Divisions
16 Infantry Divisions- Reserve
2 Parachute Brigades
2 Special Forces Brigades
3 Mechanized Artillery
6 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
5 Armored Divisions
1 Mechanized Flak
3 Frigate Units
2 Corvette units
12 Expert Pilots
2 Helo Transports
2 Helo Gunships
5 Mirage G's
2 Mirage V's
1 Helo ASW unit
2 EQ-5’s
National Radar System
25 Basij Militia units
9 batches of Cyanogen Chloride
9 Underground Airbases
Level 4 Social Safety Net: 30
Left: 113 (I think an additional 10 from France each year)
Builds:
Micro Computers (3/10): 5
2 Expert Pilots (2nd year): 8
4 Expert Pilots (1st year): 16
6 Mirage F-1’s: 18
2 ETU-95’s: 10
1 Tu-22
2 Mechanized Artillery: 10
3 Mechanized Flak: 15
2 HQ: 20
Surplus: 0
Energy Reserve:
Oil: 10
Natural Gas: 3
UIR 1967 builds
Population: 94 million
Production Centers: 107=160.5
Shipping and Commerce: 25
Oil: 12
Tourism: 3
Nuclear: 2
Total: 202.5
Growth: 0%
Maintenance: 51.5
11 Flak Brigades
5 Garrison Unit
4 Mountain Brigades
6 Infantry Divisions
16 Infantry Divisions- Reserve
2 Parachute Brigades
2 Special Forces Brigades
5 Mechanized Artillery
6 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
5 Armored Divisions
4 Mechanized Flak
3 Frigate Units
2 Corvette units
14 Expert Pilots
2 Helicopter Transports
2 Helicopter Gunships
5 Mirage G's- *Reserve*
2 Mirage V's
1 Helicopter ASW unit
10 EQ-5’s
1 Tu-22
2 ETU-95’s
2 HQ units
1 Heavy Missile Cruiser
6 Mirage F-1’s
National Radar System
25 Basij Militia units
9 batches of Cyanogen Chloride
9 Underground Airbases
Level 3 Social Safety Net: 30
Left: 121 (I think an additional 10 from France each year)
Builds:
Micro Computers (4/10): 5
4 Expert Pilots (2nd year): 16
4 Production Centers: 96
Surplus: 22
Energy Reserves:
Oil: 20
Natural Gas: 6
UIR 1968 builds
Population: 94 million
Production Centers: 111=166.5
Shipping and Commerce: 25
Oil: 12
Tourism: 3
Nuclear: 2
Total: 208.5
Growth: 0%
Maintenance: 52.5
11 Flak Brigades
5 Garrison Unit
4 Mountain Brigades
6 Infantry Divisions
16 Infantry Divisions- Reserve
2 Parachute Brigades
2 Special Forces Brigades
5 Mechanized Artillery
6 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
5 Armored Divisions
4 Mechanized Flak
3 Frigate Units
2 Corvette units
18 Expert Pilots
2 Helicopter Transports
2 Helicopter Gunships
5 Mirage G's- *Reserve*
2 Mirage V's
1 Helicopter ASW unit
10 EQ-5’s
1 Tu-22
2 ETU-95’s
2 HQ units
1 Heavy Missile Cruiser
6 Mirage F-1’s
National Radar System
25 Basij Militia units
9 batches of Cyanogen Chloride
9 Underground Airbases
Level 3 Social Safety Net: 30
Left: 126 (I think an additional 10 from France each year)
Builds:
Micro Computers (5/10): 5
5 2nd Generation MRBM unit: 5
1 Mechanized Flak: 5
4 Mechanized Infantry: 16
3 Helicopter Gunships: 9
4 Production Centers: 96
Surplus: 22
Energy Reserves:
Oil: 30
Natural Gas: 9
UIR 1969 builds
Population: 94 million
Production Centers: 115=172.5
Shipping and Commerce: 25
Oil: 12
Tourism: 3
Nuclear: 2
Total: 214.5
Growth: 0%
Maintenance: 58.5
11 Flak Brigades
5 Garrison Unit
4 Mountain Brigades
6 Infantry Divisions
16 Infantry Divisions- Reserve
2 Parachute Brigades
2 Special Forces Brigades
5 Mechanized Artillery
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
5 Armored Divisions
5 Mechanized Flak
3 Frigate Units
2 Corvette units
18 Expert Pilots
2 Helicopter Transports
5 Helicopter Gunships
5 Mirage G's- *Reserve*
2 Mirage V's
1 Helicopter ASW unit
10 EQ-5’s
1 Tu-22
2 ETU-95’s
2 HQ units
1 Heavy Missile Cruiser
6 Mirage F-1’s
5 2nd Generation MRBM units
National Radar System
25 Basij Militia units
9 batches of Cyanogen Chloride
9 Underground Airbases
Level 3 Social Safety Net: 30
Left: 126 (I think an additional 10 from France each year)
Builds:
Micro Computers (6/10): 5
7 Production Centers: 168
Energy Reserves:
Oil: 40
Natural Gas: 12
UIR 1970 builds
Population: 95 million
Production Centers: 122x2=244
Shipping and Commerce: 55
Oil: 12
Tourism: 9
Nuclear: 2
Natural Gas: 5
Food: 5.6
Total: 332.6
Growth: 4% (cut spending+ SCT bonus)
Maintenance: 80
2 HQ’s
12 Mechanized Flak Groups
5 Garrison Unit
4 Mountain Brigades
6 Infantry Divisions
6 Infantry Divisions- Reserve
6 Mountain Brigades-Reserve
2 Parachute Brigades
2 Special Forces Brigades
6 Mechanized Artillery Groups
6 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
5 Armored Divisions
3 Frigate Units
2 Corvette units
17 Expert Pilots
19 Regular Pilots
2 Helo Transports
10 Helo Gunships
5 Mirage G's & 2 Mirage V's in storage
6 Mirage F-1’s
18 Saab Viggen
10 Nanchang EQ-5
2 ETU-95’s
2 Nova transports
2 Nova Tankers
1 Helo ASW unit
5 2nd generation MRBM
National Radar System
25 Basij Militia units
9 batches of Cyanogen Chloride
9 Underground Airbases
Level 4 Social Safety Net: 45
Left: 238.1 (10 from France included)+20.5 from Kashgaria
Builds:
Micro Computers (7/10): 5
2 Light Infantry Divisions: 4
1 Nuclear Power Plant: 24
4 Mechanized Infantry Divisions: 16
Intelligence Agency: 10
Operation Safeguard: 5.6
6 Tu-26’s: 36
2 Flak Groups: 6
18 Saab Viggen's: 54
Upgrade 5 pilots to expert: 20
14 Regular Pilots: 56
Surplus: 1.5
Surplus: 0
Energy Reserves:
Oil: 50
Natural Gas: 15
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 15:17
having heard of anti-Muslim sentiment and anti-democratic speeches made by Indira Gandhi in India, The UIR increases defense preparations up a level and prepares to take on Muslims from India
Galveston Bay
25-07-2006, 16:06
Ireland and several other small nations in the UN condemn the arms build up threatening to develop in South Asia
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 16:13
Ireland and several other small nations in the UN condemn the arms build up threatening to develop in South Asia
These nations are informed that the UIR is merely trying to prtoect itself from a vengeful India which they point out has also increased its military forces and has attempted to purchase strategic bombers
Amestria
25-07-2006, 16:26
These nations are informed that the UIR is merely trying to prtoect itself from a vengeful India which they point out has also increased its military forces and has attempted to purchase strategic bombers
The Indian Government retorts that it is not "vengeful" in the least and has picked no quarrel with the UIR and recognizes current borders. It also points out that its "build up" is purely defensive, given that the collapse of Pakistan left it with very little military hardware. As for the strategic bombers, they were simply part of a legitimate nuclear deterrent.
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 16:33
The Indian Government retorts that it is not "vengeful" in the least and has picked no quarrel with the UIR and recognizes current borders. It also points out that its "build up" is purely defensive, given that the collapse of Pakistan left it with very little military hardware. As for the strategic bombers, they were simply part of a legitimate nuclear deterrent.
The UIR points to Chapter 6, where India wants world domination.
OOC: it's not much of a deterrent if you have 10 A-bombs (which I believe is what India had) against my 1,000 H-bombs
Amestria
25-07-2006, 16:45
The UIR points to Chapter 6, where India wants world domination.
India points to Chapter 4, which denounces and rejects imperialism in the strongest terms and attacks the former Muslim dominated governments for waging wars of aggression against their neighbors to the determinant of the Indian People.
OOC: it's not much of a deterrent if you have 10 A-bombs (which I believe is what India had) against my 1,000 H-bombs
OOC: Who says I do not have more...and its academic as the Indian Government has no plans on attacking the UIR or expanding in areas that controlling only ruined it's country in the past. The UIR can keep those untamed mountains and savage tribal warlords.
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 16:48
India points to Chapter 4, which denounces and rejects imperialism in the strongest terms and attacks the former Muslim dominated governments for waging wars of aggression against their neighbors to the determinant of the Indian People.
OOC: Who says I do not have more...and its academic as the Indian Government has no plans on attacking the UIR or expanding in areas that controlling only ruined it's country in the past. The UIR can keep those untamed mountains and savage tribal warlords.
The UIR also points out to Inida's constant fascist remarks, such as reduction of the democratic process and rejection of liberalism
OOC: that's all that India had at the time of the break-up.
What's more, as Pakisyan was controlled by Muslims, they wouldn't exactly hand them over to Hindus so most were either given to appraoching UIR troops, destroyed, and only 1 or 2 were actually captured
Amestria
25-07-2006, 16:54
The UIR also points out to Inida's constant fascist remarks, such as reduction of the democratic process and rejection of liberalism
India points out that roughly five years ago numerous countries that had embraced Liberalism started nuking each other in a meaningless conflict over territory and spheres of influence. The United States, the foremost Liberal nation, launched an unprovoked nuclear attack on China, and now no longer exists. India also rejects the accusation that the remarks and ideology of its ruling party/President/Prime Minister is fascistic. Also, a Government whose Leader is an Ayatollah should not lecture the world on Liberalism.
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 16:57
India points out that roughly five years ago numerous countries that had embraced Liberalism started nuking each other in a meaningless conflict over territory and spheres of influence. The United States, the foremost Liberal nation, launched an unprovoked attack on China, and now no longer exists. India also rejects the accusation that the remarks and ideology of its ruling party/President/Prime Minister is fascistic.
The UIR points out that many of the writings had fascist undertones, some even coming out with fascist statements. The UIR also points out that America was seized by conservative elements in the U.S and other nuclear attacks were made in desperation
Sukiaida
25-07-2006, 16:58
What about a duly elected President by a majority of it's people who has not only outlawed Nuclear Arms within it's borders, but currently has pioneered peace.
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 17:01
What?
Sukiaida
25-07-2006, 17:03
THe UIP has stated that it refused to regocnize the illegal government of India, and will hold it's recognition until a duly elected government has been set up. The information for this is sent to the UIR before anyone else so they know first off.
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 17:04
THe UIP has stated that it refused to regocnize the illegal government of India, and will hold it's recognition until a duly elected government has been set up. The information for this is sent to the UIR before anyone else so they know first off.
The UIR thanks the UIP for its message
Amestria
25-07-2006, 17:07
THe UIP has stated that it refused to regocnize the illegal government of India, and will hold it's recognition until a duly elected government has been set up. The information for this is sent to the UIR before anyone else so they know first off.
The Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs points out that it was duly elected in 1965 (more so then the last government) and that another round of elections will be held in 1972. The Indian Foreign Ministry further states that the idiotic leadership of the Philippines are making fools of themselves.
Haneastic
25-07-2006, 17:08
The Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs points out that it was duly elected in 1965 (more so then the last government) and that another round of elections will be held in 1972. The Indian Foreign Ministry further states that the idiotic leadership of the Philippines are making fools of themselves.
The UIR points out that these elections are too far between and the elections are hardly fair
Sukiaida
25-07-2006, 17:09
Rigged elections are not free elections. ANd dynasties are no more free when elected.
Amestria
25-07-2006, 17:13
Rigged elections are not free elections. ANd dynasties are no more free when elected.
The Indian Government points out that the elections were free and fair and took place while Commonwealth forces where in the country. (ooc: by previous standards they were, even to this day RL rigged elections in India are not uncommon, and unlike the last government, the majority is fairly represented, its hard to have a democracy in as large and populated a country as India...at this moment in game their are rigged elections taking place in North America, so its nothing special, and the parties in power would have won easily even if everything had been squeaky clean...which is impossible).
Amestria
25-07-2006, 17:23
Between terse statements concerning the content of the Little Green Book, the Indian Government suggests the Research and Analysis Wing and its UIR equivalent work together to investigate the possibility of lose nukes left unaccounted for owing to Pakistan’s sudden collapse (however the Republic of India will not state how many it has, although it clearly does not have all of them).
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 00:27
The Shah and the Ayatollah were in a heated discussion on the phone:
"What are you doing, intentionally heating up problems with India?", demanded the Shah increduously
"If you notice my friend, you will see that India's situation is not that good. It is running down a road that will not lead to anything good with its attacks on Muslims, which I remind you make up 99% of our country", replied the Ayatollah
"Still, you are making the situation worse..." began the Shah, but Khomeini cut him off
"Enough of this, we are getting nowere with this argument", said the Ayatollah, and hung up the phone in the middle of the Shah's protests.
The Ayatollah turned around to face his Chief of Security, Mehrdad Firdaus.
"It appears that the Shah is becoming a problem", said the Ayatollah
"Indeed", replied Firdaus, picking up the phone....
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The Shah was hard at work in his office, writing up letters to members of the council to try to gain more support for his side. He didn't hear the bootsteps coming up to his office. He did hear his door coming down with a thunderous crash.
The Shah looked up, startled, as 10 Security officers poured into the small office.
"What is the meaning of this?", the Shah demanded
"We have orders for your arrest, sir, on the charges of treason and sedition. Please come quietly and do not attempt to resist or escape" replied the security captain.
The Shah reached for his gun but was dead before he could do anything.
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The Ministry of Security and Intelligence announced the attempted arrest and death of the Shah when he attempted to escape. Several of the Shah's close advisors were also arrested, but none others were made.
OOC: in this RP the Shah was pro-SU, so when he went down he lost a lot of power and the Ayatollah gained power
Abbassia
26-07-2006, 09:44
French ambassadors, both former and current, are much concerned at what is happening -the former uses his old sources and briefs the current on the events- both agree that a meeting must be held with Khomeini.
And so a message is sent for a rendevous...
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 14:15
French ambassadors, both former and current, are much concerned at what is happening -the former uses his old sources and briefs the current on the events- both agree that a meeting must be held with Khomeini.
And so a message is sent for a rendevous...
The Ayatollah, eager to assure his Allies everything is going well, plans for a meeting at the French's earliest convenience
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 15:02
Political Situation in the UIR
After the death of the Shah and the arrest of several of his advisors, the Ayatollah has no major blocks in his power. However, in 1966 voters (including the Pakistani) will decide whether to keep the Ayatollah or not. Recent polls have shown the Ayatollah down but far ahead of any other Shiite leader. A Pakistani, Inzamam Akbar, and the Iranian mayor of Teheran, Khodadad Javaid, are neck in neck in recent polls,
OOC: will post results of 1966 and 1970 elections soon. Basically here's how the elections go:
President
Vice-President (person who was next up in presidential elections)
Sunni Leader
Shiite Leader
300 person High Islamic Council
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 15:12
After a fierce election and several recounts demanded by canidates, the Ayatollah lost the presidential election but was elected Ayatollah by Shiites. Inzamam Akbar was elected president by a margin of 1,500 votes, and Khodadad Javaid was elected vice-president. Bahram Ardashir was elected Sunni leader. Final results:
President: Inzamam Akbar
Vice-President: Khodadad Javaid
Sunni Leader: Bahram Ardashir
Shiite Leader: Ayatollah Khoeimeni
Islamic Centrist Party: 130
Conservatives: 110
Independants: 60
Reformists: 10
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 16:36
1970 UIR elections
The executives remained the same by large margins in all their races, and the High Islamic Council was completely reshaped with the arrival of the Little Green Book. The newly formed Solidarity, running on a Nationalist platform, party swept into the Council
Islamic Centrist Party: 90
Conservatives: 90
Reformists: 20
Solidarity Party: 100
Abbassia
26-07-2006, 18:01
The Ayotallah is informed during the meetings of the concerns towards recent "political manouvering" which led to the tragic death of the Shah, also the effects of continuing seemingly hostile policies to India are emphesised, it is also suggested that the mutual recognition of each other may have a desirable long-term stablising effect on the region.
A reduction of troops (In coordination with the planned establishment of French airbases) may also provide a boost to international relations.
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 18:07
The Ayotallah is informed during the meetings of the concerns towards recent "political manouvering" which led to the tragic death of the Shah, also the effects of continuing seemingly hostile policies to India are emphesised, it is also suggested that the mutual recognition of each other may have a desirable long-term stablising effect on the region.
A reduction of troops (In coordination with the planned establishment of French airbases) may also provide a boost to international relations.
President Akbar informs the French that the UIR did not mean to be hostile to India, and already recognized the nation, but points France to "The Little Green Book" whcih does not only express hatred of Muslims but also includes fascist statements
New Dornalia
26-07-2006, 18:20
Emperor Geon, hearing rumors of the Shah's murder and seeing the rise of an angry youth subculture in his land, quietly orders extra bodyguards to protect himself (ooc: After all, he did just see a fellow monarch get shot). In the meantime, he expresses condolences for the Shah's death.
Abbassia
26-07-2006, 19:14
President Akbar informs the French that the UIR did not mean to be hostile to India, and already recognized the nation, but points France to "The Little Green Book" whcih does not only express hatred of Muslims but also includes fascist statements
OOC: I thought I was talking to the Ayotallah, If I am talking to the newly elected President then a different -warmer- tone is used after congratulations.
Yes, we have expressed our concerns aswell, however political observers point out that this is might be just a transitionary phase in Indian politics, as we hope that Realpolitik will show itself in India (As there are still a few veteren politicians (OOC: till a purge or something is done) who willl use their judgement and moderate the Green Views once they realise their struggle for prosperity will require stable relations and cooperation with other powers.
However we are also recieving reports that extreme radicalisim may -or may not- cause instability, if this does happen we will work to counter this, as allies first and as contributers to world peace second.
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 19:18
OOC: I thought I was talking to the Ayotallah, If I am talking to the newly elected President then a different -warmer- tone is used after congratulations.
Yes, we have expressed our concerns aswell, however political observers point out that this is might be just a transitionary phase in Indian politics, as we hope that Realpolitik will show itself in India (As there are still a few veteren politicians (OOC: till a purge or something is done) who willl use their judgement and moderate the Green Views once they realise their struggle for prosperity will require stable relations and cooperation with other powers.
However we are also recieving reports that extreme radicalisim may -or may not- cause instability, if this does happen we will work to counter this, as allies first and as contributers to world peace second.
OOC: yea the Ayatollah had to go after that, but it was cool to get rid of the Shah
IC:
We hope so as well, however, seeing the recent events in India (such as making Indira Gandhi ruler for 8 years instead of 4.
Amestria
26-07-2006, 21:20
OOC: Um... the time line seems a little screwed up because the little green book and the war of words with India happen in 1970 by my reasoning... From 1966-1969 India rebuilds, yes Gandhi passively expresses her views, but the Little Green book and "Cultural Revolution" does not start until early 1970.
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 21:25
OOC: Um... the time line seems a little screwed up because the little green book and the war of words with India happen in 1970 by my reasoning... From 1966-1969 India rebuilds, yes Gandhi passively expresses her views, but the Little Green book and "Cultural Revolution" does not start until early 1970.
eh, everything will settle down in 1970
Amestria
26-07-2006, 21:30
eh, everything will settle down in 1970
OOC: Just to be clear, there is no Little Green Book published on mass until Jan./Feb 1970.
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 21:33
OOC: Just to be clear, there is no Little Green Book published on mass until Jan./Feb 1970.
sure, just move our arguments up til that point and there were probably some issues sen before then
Sukiaida
26-07-2006, 22:12
Same as I did, it all started in 1970. Before that the Philippines ignored India. So same problem here sometimes.
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 23:25
In the UIR, the book is not outright banned but government agencies put secret pressure on libraries and bookstores to eliminate the book. Seeing the books anti-Muslim sentiment, the book is given up and several small demonstrations against the book burn any copies they find.
OOC: probably makes people a little more hostile toward India and nationalism increases a little as well.
New Dornalia
27-07-2006, 00:34
OOC: Just to be clear, there is no Little Green Book published on mass until Jan./Feb 1970.
OOC: My bad. Consider the events to have taken place after Jan-Feb 1970.
The Lightning Star
27-07-2006, 00:34
The Indian Government points out that the elections were free and fair and took place while Commonwealth forces where in the country. (ooc: by previous standards they were, even to this day RL rigged elections in India are not uncommon, and unlike the last government, the majority is fairly represented, its hard to have a democracy in as large and populated a country as India...at this moment in game their are rigged elections taking place in North America, so its nothing special, and the parties in power would have won easily even if everything had been squeaky clean...which is impossible).
OOC: In my Pakistan, the elections were free and fair; the leftist, poor Hindu parties were the majority, and the rightist rich Hindu and all Muslim parties were on the decline. Unlike you claim, Pakistan was NOT ruled by the Muslims, it was a nation that was ruled by Indians. Not Muslims. Not Hindus. Not Sikhs. Indians. So what if the Muslims had a bit of a majority in the military? It was the Muslim areas of India that had been invaded, not the Hindu ones, so the Muslims got more fighting. While the Muslims were off fighting, the Hindus became wealthy politicians.
Amestria
27-07-2006, 00:40
OOC: In my Pakistan, the elections were free and fair; the leftist, poor Hindu parties were the majority, and the rightist rich Hindu and all Muslim parties were on the decline. Unlike you claim, Pakistan was NOT ruled by the Muslims, it was a nation that was ruled by Indians. Not Muslims. Not Hindus. Not Sikhs. Indians. So what if the Muslims had a bit of a majority in the military? It was the Muslim areas of India that had been invaded, not the Hindu ones, so the Muslims got more fighting. While the Muslims were off fighting, the Hindus became wealthy politicians.
OOC: General Ayub Khan was a Pakinistani Muslim (as was the person he overthrew in a bloody coup) yet he remained Prime Minister somehow... GB ruled that his government subverted majority rule and was authoritarian in the Revolution post, which is why it fell apart without the army.
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 00:45
1970 UIR elections
The executives remained the same by large margins in all their races, and the High Islamic Council was completely reshaped with the arrival of the Little Green Book. The newly formed Solidarity, running on a Nationalist platform, party swept into the Council
Islamic Centrist Party: 90
Conservatives: 90
Reformists: 20
Solidarity Party: 100
Major change to the elections
The Lightning Star
27-07-2006, 00:45
OOC: General Ayub Khan was a Pakinistani Muslim (as was the person he overthrew in a bloody coup) yet he remained Prime Minister somehow... GB ruled that his government subverted majority rule and was authoritarian in the Revolution post, which is why it fell apart without the army.
OOC: Just because he was a Muslim doesn't mean he can't be Prime Minister? He liberated Pakistan from a maniacal dictatorship (did you see the FAS Civil War? With Gas-attacks and such against people who were then still considered Indians). He was an immensely popular man, who liberated Pakistan from the grips of the western puppet FAS. He was democratically elected President of Pakistan, although he popularity began to wane, to the point that by the next election he woulda been out of power. To be honest, he was only still PM of Pakistan because I forget he was there. When I was playing Pakistan, he wasn't subvertive at all.
Amestria
27-07-2006, 00:56
OOC: Just because he was a Muslim doesn't mean he can't be Prime Minister? He liberated Pakistan from a maniacal dictatorship (did you see the FAS Civil War? With Gas-attacks and such against people who were then still considered Indians). He was an immensely popular man, who liberated Pakistan from the grips of the western puppet FAS. He was democratically elected President of Pakistan, although he popularity began to wane, to the point that by the next election he woulda been out of power.
OOC: He was another declared savior who many Pakistani Muslims loved and enough Hindu's gave the benefit of the doubt and he was later shown to be a failure. Also your coup post mentions the gassing of opposition villages... And during the riots he had his troops open fire on the rioters and attempted to use Pakistans nuclear weapons on them (the sane members of the military refused to go along with that, GB told me by TG).
To be honest, he was only still PM of Pakistan because I forget he was there. When I was playing Pakistan, he wasn't subvertive at all.
The timeline has to be accounted for, he was still Prime Minister (even if it was just because you made a mistake), so he used his power as General to bully the opposition members into supporting him, subverting majority rule like a good little authoritarian, as GB ruled, there is no debate.
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 00:59
Please move this conversation to the OOC thread
The Lightning Star
27-07-2006, 00:59
OOC: He was another declared savior who many Pakistani Muslims loved and enough Hindu's gave the benefit of the doubt and he was later shown to be a failure. Also your coup post mentions the gassing of opposition villages...
Ayub was better than Yahya, and measures had to be taken to prevent Yahya's supporters from coming back. They would've oppressed everyone, Muslims and Hindus harshly. At least with Ayub, everyone was free.
The timeline has to be accounted for, he was still Prime Minister (even if it was just because you made a mistake), so he used his power as General to bully the opposition members into supporting him, subverting majority rule, as GB ruled, there is no debate.
I know it's too late to change it, but saying that what GB says is law isn't true. I'm the one who's played India for the past year, not GB.
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 15:55
Recent Polls have shown approval of the Green book at 0%, approval of Indira Gandhi at 9%, and approval of India at 11%. Nearly all UIR citizens polled regard India with suspiciousness.
Several marches in Teheran, Kabul, and other importanat cities in the UIR protesting the "Little Green Book", the apparent takeover of power by Indira Gandhi, and the suppression of Bangladesh
Rumania approaches the UIR about a student exchange program, in order to allow students to experience different cultures and lifestyles.
Rumania approaches the UIR about a student exchange program, in order to allow students to experience different cultures and lifestyles.
OOC: Oops. Logged in as my brother. ^^;;
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 18:20
Rumania approaches the UIR about a student exchange program, in order to allow students to experience different cultures and lifestyles.
The UIR is happy to exchange students
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 18:45
(And what about polls of the Philippines?)
What is with these student exchanges?
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 19:01
(And what about polls of the Philippines?)
What is with these student exchanges?
friendship and understanding.
Polls show 89% approval of the Phillipines, mainly because of there refusal to recognize India
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 19:06
(Who owns Mecca?)
The Lightning Star
27-07-2006, 19:32
(Who owns Mecca?)
The AF, I think.
However, the thing is, the UIR controlls Qom, a holy city for Shi'ite muslims. A very holy city, in fact.
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 19:34
The UIP wonders if the UIR wouldn't mind for a large group of Muslim Filipino's making a trip to Mecca to stop off at Qom. It's over 50,000 people making the trip, and the government was wondering if this would be a bother.
[NS]Parthini
27-07-2006, 19:41
OOC: Actually, Western Arabia owns Mecca, Medina and Jeddah. It's a Hashemite Kingdom that's a client state of Oman.
Haneastic
27-07-2006, 19:44
The UIP wonders if the UIR wouldn't mind for a large group of Muslim Filipino's making a trip to Mecca to stop off at Qom. It's over 50,000 people making the trip, and the government was wondering if this would be a bother.
The UIR would happily allow people of the same faith anywere in the world to come to Qom
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 19:47
Alright then, though we unfortunitly can not return the favor, as we do not believe there are many things in the UIP that would appeal to the faithful. More to the aestetic beauty.
Haneastic
28-07-2006, 03:20
Inzam Akbar and the other executive leaders met on a open field on a sunny day in 1970. Thousands crowded to hear what he had to say. They wouldn't be dissapointed. The 100 members of the Solidarity Party sat in the front rows, waiting to hear what he had to say. After the elections he could hardly ignore them. They had manage to get one of their own as speaker of the council, and one of their's were the Foriegn and Finance Ministers.
Akbar stood up and walked to the podium, taking out his notes. He cleared his throat and began, "My friends, I come to you today on a grave circumstances. Outside forces seek to undermine our fine nation with slander and false lies. But they will fail. Our nation withstood the corrupt FAS when it broke away, we withstood chemical weapons, we held fast against the onslaught, and we were rewarded with our independance. We have held once, we shall hold again. We shall not rest, we shall not fail until we are safe and secure. If our blood must stain the earth, it is a just and noble reason to keep our nation intact"
The crowd stood up, thunderous applause drowning out anything more he could have said
Should you choose to lead a crusade against the Hindu Nationalists, Kashgaria will gladly support you financially. Although we lack the military power to fight alongside you, we can spare the finances to make sure your soldiers have good equipment and never run low on ammunition. The UAR and Turkey are both destroyed and the AF can't match India's power. It is up to you to defend Islam and South-West Asia from Indian Imperialism!
OOC: Should war break out, I can give you around 20 points in 1970 if you need it. If you're stripped for cash, I could also sell off my resource reserves and buy some extra Viggens or hire mercenaries.
Haneastic
28-07-2006, 03:54
Should you choose to lead a crusade against the Hindu Nationalists, Kashgaria will gladly support you financially. Although we lack the military power to fight alongside you, we can spare the finances to make sure your soldiers have good equipment and never run low on ammunition. The UAR and Turkey are both destroyed and the AF can't match India's power. It is up to you to defend Islam and South-West Asia from Indian Imperialism!
OOC: Should war break out, I can give you around 20 points in 1970 if you need it. If you're stripped for cash, I could also sell off my resource reserves and buy some extra Viggens or hire mercenaries.
Anything you can spare. I'm far from desperate myself
IC:
The UIR thanks its muslim friend for its support and promises to help it build its infastructure when it can
Haneastic
28-07-2006, 16:21
1965:
The UIR has gathered all the airplane and helicopter manufacturers' in the nation to attempt to begin building domestic aircraft that can match any top of the line aircraft. Plans of several fighters either out or coming out are looked at for support.
Technicians and engineers from other countries are welcomed to come, and the UIR will compensate the nations who do send help.
The SU agrees to send 500 technicians and engineers to help with designs and will be payed 5 points in 1971
OOC: I was thinking maybe a SU-27 type aircraft, a B-1 type bomberlike 10 years down the line
1968:
The Saab Viggens arrive in UIR, and the SU sends pilots over to help orient the UIR air force to the new planes.
OOC: not sure of any in-game effect, doubt if there's any
Haneastic
29-07-2006, 14:21
1965:
The UIR began a massive initiative to bring the various cultures of the UIR together by offering incentives to move to other regions with different cultures, bringing the same ideas in culture together, and establishing "Culture Day" to promote awareness
The Arab Federation approaches the UIR about a formal alliance though it admits reservations about its membership in the SCT. This would include a sharing of technology and a mutual defense treaty. Negotiations on the exact nature are acceptable to the Arab Federation government.
Haneastic
30-07-2006, 14:50
The Arab Federation approaches the UIR about a formal alliance though it admits reservations about its membership in the SCT. This would include a sharing of technology and a mutual defense treaty. Negotiations on the exact nature are acceptable to the Arab Federation government.
The UIR is happy to improve relations with a fellow Islamic nation. We would agree to these terms if the Arab Federation wishes them.
Haneastic
04-08-2006, 00:02
The UIR has enacted several reforms to encourage more children per family. The reforms include the outlawing of abotion with special circumstances allowed, the banning of contraceptives, and tax breaks for families with more than 6 children
Galveston Bay
04-08-2006, 07:38
The World Health Organization sharply criticizes the UIR move
Haneastic
04-08-2006, 18:46
The World Health Organization sharply criticizes the UIR move
After further consultation with experts, the UIR government eases up on the banning of contraceptives, allowing them to be sold, and Abortion is allowed in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother.
OOC: I found I had a much bigger population than I thought, but a conservative government probably wouldn't allow abortion, maybe 10 or 15 years down the line, but not now. All of this going against my own beliefs, but it's realistic in the UIR
Abbassia
06-08-2006, 12:28
Once the insurgency is realised, French Military advisors begin analysing the situation using current data and past experiences. It is found that historically a ratio of 10:1 should be kept in order to effectively keep order. Thus the French Commander forwards the following analysis:
Afghanistan:
Estimated 1 Militia Force
Requires: 10 Military Units
Pakistan:
Estimated 3 Milita Forces
Requires: 30 Military Units
Total Required: 40 Military Units
Satisfied: 10 Mountain Brigades+1 Airborne Brigades+2 HQ+4 Garisons+16 Militia+1 Infantry Division
Total= 34 military units
Required 6 more Units
Recomendation: The 3rd Army (8 Units) to participate in efforts aswell.
It is hoped that this will be enough to prevent the insurgency from doing any serious damage.
<OOC: BTW, your military says that it's still on the UIR-Pakistani Border while in fact it is now on the UIR-Indian Border>
Net Required= 32 military units
Haneastic
06-08-2006, 16:04
The UIR releases 6 more milita units, but keeps its armored and mechanized forces on standby as they are not good in the mountains.
OOC: thanks for telling me, I'll change that
The Lightning Star
06-08-2006, 16:49
For the purpose of defending the Worlds oil supply, and preventing these small ethnic-conflicts from spreading into a full-blown civil war, Quebec offers to send the following units to help keep the peace in the United Islamic Republic:
x1 pilot (elite)
x1 F4G
While this isn't much, Le Republique hopes that it can do its small part to avert potential catastrophe.
Haneastic
06-08-2006, 17:14
For the purpose of defending the Worlds oil supply, and preventing these small ethnic-conflicts from spreading into a full-blown civil war, Quebec offers to send the following units to help keep the peace in the United Islamic Republic:
x1 pilot (elite)
x1 F4G
While this isn't much, Le Republique hopes that it can do its small part to avert potential catastrophe.
The UIR tanks its friend and accepts the support
Abbassia
06-08-2006, 20:22
To reduce the feeling of subversion and to promote the feelings of trust and cooperation within the Republics, The Fellow Republic of France has authorised 50 points of aid in order to provide Level 5 socials services to all the nation (add them to the 45 points for level IV social services and Viola).
However, the annual 10 points of aid may see change to it after a few years, once the Insurgency is over that is.
Haneastic
06-08-2006, 23:07
To reduce the feeling of subversion and to promote the feelings of trust and cooperation within the Republics, The Fellow Republic of France has authorised 50 points of aid in order to provide Level 5 socials services to all the nation (add them to the 45 points for level IV social services and Viola).
However, the annual 10 points of aid may see change to it after a few years, once the Insurgency is over that is.
50 points in 1970?
The UIR accpets the French offer with gratitude, and will pay back France when it gets the chance
Abbassia
07-08-2006, 10:11
OOC: Yes in 1970 and if we stay in good relations, then this should continue annually.
Haneastic
07-08-2006, 20:55
The Governors of Tajikistan, Krygystan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, and Uzbekistan all signed a formal agreement to stay with the United Islamic Republic. This move is seen to solidify the current nation as it is
The Rumanian government offers the use of the Crack 20th Mountain Division to the UIR government in order to help quell unrest in Afghanistan.
[OOC: 1 Elite Light Infantry Division]
Nigeria declares moral support for it's Muslim brothers fighting for independence from the Imperialistic and aggressive UIR.
Haneastic
07-08-2006, 21:23
The Rumanian government offers the use of the Crack 20th Mountain Division to the UIR government in order to help quell unrest in Afghanistan.
[OOC: 1 Elite Light Infantry Division]
The UIR happily accepts the division. If Rumania needs oil, do not hesitate t ask
OOC: I have 75 oil in surplus anyway...
Haneastic
07-08-2006, 21:24
Nigeria declares moral support for it's Muslim brothers fighting for independence from the Imperialistic and aggressive UIR.
The UIR refuses to acknowledge the Nigerian message, and will not broadcast any Nigerian messages until further notice
The UIR refuses to acknowledge the Nigerian message, and will not broadcast any Nigerian messages until further notice
Nigeria jumps on this and propoganda begins to turn out stating the the UIR is no friend of free speech as it refuses to air contrary viewpoints. This appears on the radio, television, and newspapers throughout Nigeria and attempts are made to spread it to India, Europe, and the rest of Africa.
Haneastic
07-08-2006, 21:29
Nigeria jumps on this and propoganda begins to turn out stating the the UIR is no friend of free speech as it refuses to air contrary viewpoints. This appears on the radio, television, and newspapers throughout Nigeria and attempts are made to spread it to India, Europe, and the rest of Africa.
The UIR points out that this is nothing more than inflammaotry toward the rebels and could serve to cause more needless destruction and loss of lives
Abbassia
07-08-2006, 21:30
French Ambassador quietly asks that Nigerian Comments be ignored for now. And nothing more be done about them.
OOC: UIR public broadcasting only refused to acknowledge the Nigerian Message it is not censored.
The 20th Mountain Division, along with a unit of transport helicopters, is sent by ship to Palestine, from there they travel via rail or road into the UIR.
Haneastic
07-08-2006, 21:35
The 20th Mountain Division, along with a unit of transport helicopters, is sent by ship to Palestine, from there they travel via rail or road into the UIR.
The Rumanian troops are billeted, informed of the situation, and prepare to move out
Sukiaida
08-08-2006, 14:18
Currently we would offer our military forces, but they've been billeted in the nuclear areas for so many eyars, that to throw them into a war now would be similar to mutiney. Our transport units are more than ready for your disposal. We have one amphibious transport unit and a aerial transport unit ready for use.
A secret message is sent to the UIR, asking what are the demands of the Afghani's and despite the mobilization, it is asked with a little twist of the wrist, could Afghanistan's rebellion end without bloodshed. The quote is, "If they are being unreasonable, then they deserve to be taught a lesson. If they are being reasonable, it might be a good idea to show them your power, and then talk." (Gunboat diplomacy.)
Haneastic
08-08-2006, 14:30
Currently we would offer our military forces, but they've been billeted in the nuclear areas for so many eyars, that to throw them into a war now would be similar to mutiney. Our transport units are more than ready for your disposal. We have one amphibious transport unit and a aerial transport unit ready for use.
A secret message is sent to the UIR, asking what are the demands of the Afghani's and despite the mobilization, it is asked with a little twist of the wrist, could Afghanistan's rebellion end without bloodshed. The quote is, "If they are being unreasonable, then they deserve to be taught a lesson. If they are being reasonable, it might be a good idea to show them your power, and then talk." (Gunboat diplomacy.)
Waiting to see the outcome of the fighting is first
Sukiaida
08-08-2006, 15:31
(Alright.)
The UIR is informed that South Africa will not withdraw its troops from India, where they are assisting in fighting a terrorist insurgency. However, South Africa will ready forces to assist its allies in Central Asia should such action become necessary.
Haneastic
14-08-2006, 20:42
Politics-
Facing a large insurgency heavily armed, many members of the Council changed allegiances to rflect the UIR's view after hundreds of phone calls and letters. The Solidarity Party gained a majority, and in the new Islamic Senate, gained 7 of the 14 seats
Solidraity Party: 160, 7
Islamic Centrist: 60, 3
Reformist: 20, 1
Conservative: 60, 3