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Phoenix Oil OOC

Blackhelm Confederacy
22-07-2006, 17:53
OK tough guy. I made an OOC thread. Who borders you?
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 17:55
Are you a puppet nation.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 17:57
Sochatopia, consider that he's larger than either of you.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 17:57
So your the puppet master.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 17:58
OK tough guy. I made an OOC thread. Who borders you?

Omni-Sense is located next to China.

Are you a puppet nation.

No.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:01
o damn thats augest 05 damn blackhelm we need some more CA nations.

Whats the size and strenth of your military.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:04
o damn thats augest 05 damn blackhelm we need some more CA nations.

Whats the size and strenth of your military.

30 Million Active
30 Million Reserve (Non-Active)

As many conscripted fools as I can get.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:05
30 Million Active
30 Million Reserve (Non-Active)

As many conscripted fools as I can get.

That includs support troops to right.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:06
That includs support troops to right.

Yes.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:07
Im going to start a IC thred now since i have no more Qustions.
Blackhelm Confederacy
22-07-2006, 18:09
whoa, hold your horses. 30 mill. Lots of soldiers!! How do you plan on geting there
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:10
Better question. Will China be an NPC?
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:12
whoa, hold your horses. 30 mill. Lots of soldiers!! How do you plan on geting there

Getting where? It is my country....
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:13
Better question. Will China be an NPC?

Yeah, I guess.

I don't have any NS Nations as neighbors as of yet, so I sort of plopped my nation down somewhere. Unless there is somebody that wants to be next to me, I guess China will remain an NPC.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:19
Im going to start a IC thred now since i have no more Qustions.

Go ahead... just try to make it more serious and realistic then, "Two million soldiers land in your territory and begin firing."

Try RPing the part where you get your soldiers activated, deployed, and ready for war.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:23
Ok I will take this RP very seriously im not a good speller thought. Try to keep all OCC comments here if you would.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:25
Ok I will take this RP very seriously im not a good speller thought.

That I don't mind as much (though you could just write/copy your posts in Microsoft Word and then post them here).

Try to keep all OCC comments here if you would.

As with you.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:30
Soch, I'm sorry, but even at the top- 5% of your pop, that's almost all of your military.

5% of 507 million=25,350,000

20,000,000 support troops
2,000,000 infantry
3,000 M2A2s (how many people per M2A2?)
1,000 Behemoths (How many people per Behemoth
And that's not even getting into the planes.
The Infinite Crucible
22-07-2006, 18:35
Soch, I'm sorry, but even at the top- 5% of your pop, that's almost all of your military.

5% of 507 million=25,350,000

20,000,000 support troops
2,000,000 infantry
3,000 M2A2s (how many people per M2A2?)
1,000 Behemoths (How many people per Behemoth
And that's not even getting into the planes.

Maybe I will just invade his homeland while his whole army is away. Muhahahahahaha
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:35
Yes but it is under 5% and i still have 3 million left. But that counts every one Piolets the people who take care of the C5s and they take care of my other planes. Not all 20,000,000 support troops are deployed in their country.They do every thing form just geniral support at home reading bombers for a airstrike. Every thing else and it still leaves 3 million for My navy.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:36
Maybe I will just invade his homeland while his whole army is away. Muhahahahahaha

I was just about to say, I was going to counter with an attack.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:37
Yes but it is under 5% and i still have 3 million left. But that counts every one Piolets the people who take care of the C5s and they take care of my other planes. Not all 20,000,000 support troops are deployed in their country.They do every thing form just geniral support at home reading bombers for a airstrike. Every thing else and it still leaves 3 million for My navy.

Okay, I accept that the support troops are for the tanks, infantry, airforce, etc. Please, answer the question as to how many people each Behemoth and M2A2 takes?
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:38
Soch, I'm sorry, but even at the top- 5% of your pop, that's almost all of your military.

5% of 507 million=25,350,000

20,000,000 support troops includes doing jobs at home mataning aircraft and what not.
2,000,000 infantry
3,000 M2A2s (how many people per M2A2?)counts in total combat troops
1,000 Behemoths (How many people per Behemothcounts in toatal combat troops
And that's not even getting into the planes. already included in support troops.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:39
On a different point: The strategy you are using, I will not tell you not to use it, but you are going to get utterly annihilated. You are attempting to invade a well defended nation by airlifting all of your forces into it? The second your slloowwww transports come with in a hundred miles of my nation, I will launch all of my fighters and interceptors as well as firing with my SAM batteries and your entire invasion force will be torched in a matter of seconds.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:39
already included in support troops.

So the planes are under your support force? Oh, and you do realize that you made the mistake of not including any offensive air power? If Omni-sense has a good airforce, which, being landlocked, he should, he'll just chew you up before you can land.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:42
So the planes are under your support force? Oh, and you do realize that you made the mistake of not including any offensive air power? If Omni-sense has a good airforce, which, being landlocked, he should, he'll just chew you up before you can land.

all good points i forgot alot but its too late to change it now unless i suddenly turn my planes around. I will thanks for the help.
Northford
22-07-2006, 18:42
Best of luck Omni Sense.

Don't worry about it though.

OK tough guy. I made an OOC thread. Who borders you?

I guess you ruffled someone's feathers.

What port do you use (I know it's not a part of the mainland)? If my Oil is threatened, it should be known I'll take an active interest. I've got them escorted, though, so any aggresion would be an act of war against me.

And, seeing as our friend has *only* got 3 Million left behind, and BC is *meh*, I might just get angry and decided to a) Launch a High Altitude bombing campaign, b) Launch a naval blockade (Those DMG ships really are GM's, though), or c) get bored, and nuke whoever attacks me.

And yes, I did say nuke.

If you're wondering about the noobyness/retaliation aspect of it, though, I'll make it an 10 page long flowing story (which might take me a week to do), and make sure I've sent you back to the stone age, which will really negate any [poorly] RP'd attempts to get back at me.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:44
Best of luck Omni Sense.

Don't worry about it though.

Thank you... I'm not :p



I guess you ruffled someone's feathers.

What port do you use (I know it's not a part of the mainland)? If my Oil is threatened, it should be known I'll take an active interest. I've got them escorted, though, so any aggresion would be an act of war against me.

It would be a port on the coast of China... somewhere in the north China Sea.

And, seeing as our friend has *only* got 3 Million left behind, and BC is *meh*, I might just get angry and decided to a) Launch a High Altitude bombing campaign, b) Launch a naval blockade (Those DMG ships really are GM's, though), or c) get bored, and nuke whoever attacks me.

I was thinking about launching a high altitude bombing campaign of my own. Then taking over his country in retaliation for attacking mine :D
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:46
The sochatopian force relises it has made a mistake and decides to turn back to home to re think its stratigy. The C 130 turn around and head for home. The nation of Sochatopia isnt done yet just re thinking our options.

Muahaha
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 18:49
Muahaha

the battle that you won with out firing a shot dont worrie we have a new stratigy.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:50
the battle that you won with out firing a shot dont worrie we have a new stratigy.

Yeah, well, as long as he can hold his own in the air, he's pretty much got you Soch. And considering Griffencrest is still using Gnats...
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:51
the battle that you won with out firing a shot dont worrie we have a new stratigy.

That will be quoted in our Halls of Victory for eons to come.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:52
That will be quoted in our Halls of Victory for eons to come.

I move that we seperate this from the continuing action so we can snicker about the first Omni-Socha war.
Wanderjar
22-07-2006, 18:53
That will be quoted in our Halls of Victory for eons to come.


lol! Good stuff man
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:54
I move that we seperate this from the continuing action so we can snicker about the first Omni-Socha war.

The motion is seconded.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 18:56
All those in favor say Aye. All opposed say (Insert your name here) is a moron.
Northford
22-07-2006, 18:57
Aye.

That said, I recon someone had a little word in someones ear, and they are thinking of trying another tact: I.e, where you are week.

How many ports do you have, my good friend?

*Edit*, that should be "weak", buh hey, it's sunday, and I've had a little to drink :D
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 18:58
"Aye!"

The motion receives the necessary 2/3s vote to carry. The motion is carried.

"I hereby declare the First Omni-Socha War... over!" *Slams Gavel*

"Any further attacks and or hostilities must be declared in a separate thread as the Second Omni-Socha War."
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 19:00
Aye.

That said, I recon someone had a little word in someones ear, and they are thinking of trying another tact: I.e, where you are week.

How many ports do you have, my good friend?

*Edit*, that should be "weak", buh hey, it's sunday, and I've had a little to drink :D

Quite a bit apparentally. It's Saturday, mate. Anywho, I imagine he's only got the one port, unless China was feeling generous.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 19:00
Aye.

That said, I recon someone had a little word in someones ear, and they are thinking of trying another tact: I.e, where you are week.

How many ports do you have, my good friend?

*Edit*, that should be "weak", buh hey, it's sunday, and I've had a little to drink :D

I hear what you are saying... we have but one port. It is guarded by grand cannons, but I may need naval support. (Not that they could launch an attack at my nation or oil field production from the port.)


Isn't it Saturday? (unless maybe you are in Eastern Europe/Asia)
Northford
22-07-2006, 19:02
Oh Crud.

**Hides in corner, and cry's.... still, it's my first weekend away from (UK) college, and it just feels like a sunday, know what I mean? So relaxing and quiet.**

Yeh, it's still saturday. I'm in london, and it's just gone 7PM.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 19:03
Secreat IC Fredrick glory decides to start a air war first before invasion. The stratigy will include destroying enemy air before they can launch aircraft. The first attack in the war is sent and all airfeilds are set on high alert. The last thing fredrick glory said before he sent the order. I want no civlian causiltys if civilans are killed i wont be able to live with my self.

Secreat IC 100 B2 bombers escorted by 500 F22 raptors all s launch a attack they will arive at night. So visualy it will be hard to decet them. their targets are enemy fighter airfeilds. They launch 4 hours before sunset so their whole flight over enemy air space will be night.

As the bombers rise in to the setting sun they know that when they retern the sun will rise on the firers of war.

The first war was declared over... time to move it to the second war (i.e. thread). :)
Wanderjar
22-07-2006, 19:03
All those in favor say Aye. All opposed say (Wanderjar) is a moron.


Hey! Aeson just called me a moron! That hurts my feelings! :(

*runs off crying*
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 19:04
Nay you may have one the battle but not the war.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 19:05
Nay you may have one the battle but not the war.

Actually, we just took a vote, and he did win the war. You can start another one though.
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 19:06
Nay you may have one the battle but not the war.

Well the motion was carried by the Panel of Interested Onlookers and the war was declared over. An invasion force was launched and repelled, hence a war was fought.

Any actions will now be classified in a new thread as the second war.

:)
The Infinite Crucible
22-07-2006, 19:06
Actually, we just took a vote, and he did win the war. You can start another one though.

Lets just keep it in the same thread. Less complicated....

mes brenis si ont su gud
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 19:07
Well the motion was carried by the Panel of Interested Onlookers and the war was declared over. An invasion force was launched and repelled, hence a war was fought.

Any actions will now be classified in a new thread as the second war.

:)

Please same thered less complicated. Were the hell is blackhelm hes supposed to be helping me.
The Aeson
22-07-2006, 19:07
Lets just keep it in the same thread. Less complicated....

mes brenis si ont su gud

Dislexics, untie!

^^ That's ton funny!
Northford
22-07-2006, 19:08
mes brenis si ont su gud

Moo si Nine... yoo nuch frink :P
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 19:09
Please same thered less complicated. Were the hell is blackhelm hes supposed to be helping me.
Lets just keep it in the same thread. Less complicated....

mes brenis si ont su gud

Boo! That is no fun.
Sochatopia
22-07-2006, 19:17
so you arnt RP on that thred you start the next one
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 19:20
so you arnt RP on that thred you start the next one

How can I start the next one when you are the one attacking? Do you want me to quote you, because I would be more than happy to?
Omni-Sense
22-07-2006, 19:33
Done... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493050
Omni-Sense
23-07-2006, 00:22
As they approched Omni-Sense at 12:19 AM they at once relised they were deceted so they split in to 3 diffrent groups at diffrent altitudes The F22 raptors began to firer back immedietly but were over whelmed in the chaos of on rushing hords of enemy aircraft were severly out #. Even still they knew were the enemy was and made sure not to go down with out firing a shot. After 20 min of engagemnent 246 F22 and 12 B2s were shot down.

The bombers begin to split in to groups while taking some damage while remaning radio silence 2 groups of B2 44 with 50 F22 escorts fly stealthly away form the dog fight. They begin to approch their targets enemy bomber bases. 2 min till bomb run. the first break in radio silence so far.

No offense, but these numbers seem a little off to me.

After the first alone, my fighter force would have fire off over TEN THOUSAND missiles. That is nearly twenty missiles for each of your aircraft in only the first minute....

To say that after twenty minutes when TENS OF THOUSANDS of missiles would have been fired that only 12 B-2s were shot down is ridiculous. B-2s are very slow compared to my fighters (which travel over Mach 3 in battle) so there is no chance of out-running or out-maneuvering them or their missiles.

Say each of my fighters fires only four of its missiles (though they can and are carrying many more). That is FIFTY THOUSAND missiles for 600 planes. That is over 80 missiles per plane... I doubt that any of your aircraft can dodge 80 missiles let alone F-22s and B-2 bombers...
Omni-Sense
23-07-2006, 00:57
OOC: Soch, you should have waited for me.

5 Griffincrest stealth ships glided smoothly into the south China Sea late at night, avoiding the Chinese defenses. Suddenly, they sprang to life, unleashing a volley of 5 cruise missiles each. These missiles were aimed at Omni-Source SAM sites, and a few smaller airbases along the border. As the 25 cruise missiles screamed towards their targets, the Griffincrest army began preparing to go through Pakistan from Beiraq (Iraq and Iran according to his TG) and assault the Omni-Source forces on the ground. The Pakistani government was paid 150 billion dollars for the rights to go through the country, which they gladly accepted. It shouldn't be long before Beiraqi forces followed up the Griffincrest Security Force.

How many soldiers/vehicles are you sending, as it does take time to move hundreds of thousands of men (more than a day)?

Also, Omni-Sense is to the north of China in the area of Mongolia, not to the west.
Blackhelm Confederacy
23-07-2006, 01:06
500,000 mercenaries (armed with G36E's, Javelins, and 80mm mortars)
100,000 RG-20's
1000 Mercury's
700 Behemoth II tanks
120 BM-21's
100 Mongoose 120mm artillery pieces
100 G7 105mm Howitzers
Omni-Sense
23-07-2006, 04:44
500,000 mercenaries (armed with G36E's, Javelins, and 80mm mortars)
100,000 RG-20's
1000 Mercury's
700 Behemoth II tanks
120 BM-21's
100 Mongoose 120mm artillery pieces
100 G7 105mm Howitzers

Including support or no?
Cravan
23-07-2006, 05:01
I would love to know how the hell you guys can afford to make such deployments on a daily basis.

And I would truly love to know how the hell one affords to send 100 B2 Spirits in a single attack with how much they cost. It's like lighting a million-dollar check on fire. Doesn't make sense.
Kroando
23-07-2006, 05:09
Very good point. Id just like to put up the basic idea that mercenaries are expensive... much more expensive than standard armies. Unlike a normal force, the mercs. are not fighting for their nation, they are motivated solely by cash. And seeing as they are risking their lives, they, every last one of them, want to be well paid. By well paid, im talking $100,000+ per year... per soldier. That doesn't even begin talking about supplying them... billions more. Basically, Griffincrest is a corporation... corporations are in the business to make money. There is no way in hell you make money out of this ordeal, even if you managed to take over his oil fields. The multi-billion dollar deficit Griffincrest would be facing would plummet the stock value of the company... ergo... screwed. But yah... Mercs. are ridiculously expensive, especially ones that are semi-decent in combat. I think it would be fair to ask for a financial report on the spendings/earnings of Griffencrest.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 16:43
No offense, but these numbers seem a little off to me.

After the first alone, my fighter force would have fire off over TEN THOUSAND missiles. That is nearly twenty missiles for each of your aircraft in only the first minute....

To say that after twenty minutes when TENS OF THOUSANDS of missiles would have been fired that only 12 B-2s were shot down is ridiculous. B-2s are very slow compared to my fighters (which travel over Mach 3 in battle) so there is no chance of out-running or out-maneuvering them or their missiles.

Say each of my fighters fires only four of its missiles (though they can and are carrying many more). That is FIFTY THOUSAND missiles for 600 planes. That is over 80 missiles per plane... I doubt that any of your aircraft can dodge 80 missiles let alone F-22s and B-2 bombers...

12,000 planes would take alot of time to launch not all could engage my fighters would have fired back two and their stealthed witch mean missles track them poorly. But your right to a degree ill up the bomber losses. But really a dog fight takes time you launched 12,000 planes in a matter of min 60 miles away from your shore when they were spoted travling at mach .85 600 miles a hour so you launched 12,000 planes in 10 min and they already intercepted my planes i dont thinks all 12,000 could engage at once anyway.
Omni-Sense
23-07-2006, 16:55
12,000 planes would take alot of time to launch not all could engage my fighters would have fired back two and their stealthed witch mean missles track them poorly. But your right to a degree ill up the bomber losses. But really a dog fight takes time you launched 12,000 planes in a matter of min 60 miles away from your shore when they were spoted travling at mach .85 600 miles a hour so you launched 12,000 planes in 10 min and they already intercepted my planes i dont thinks all 12,000 could engage at once anyway.

A) My fighters are better than F-22s... F-22s are RL fighters while Lu-45s are NS Fighters. RL can't compare. Stealth of RL planes is pretty much defeated by NS Radar.
B) Your math is wrong on the time thing. First of all, if they were traveling 600 mph for 60 miles, it would only take 6 minutes. However, I clearly stated in my post that they were spotted 160 miles away meaning I launched them in 16 minutes.
C) I have around fort AFBs across the nation, and they were all on extreme alert, meaning their crews were basically sitting around waiting to get in their planes. At 12000 planes from 40 AFBs, that is 300 planes per AFB. Say they had twelve minutes to launch (as they had to get into the plane and it turned on), that would be 25 planes a minute. From an AFB, 25 planes a minute is not that hard to do as they can take off right after each other every couple of seconds and there are many runways...
D) Maybe they wouldn't be able to engage them all at once, but they could still fire thousands of missiles, coming from every direction and altitude...
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 17:01
All over your country you have airforce bases on the far side of your country. When my f22s fired they would have to got a hit with enemy planes every were you still have not posted 1 lost plane. Are you PMT beacuse to say NS fighters are better than real fighters isnt true unless your using PMT mach 3 isnt done by fighters with todays tech. I modifyed my losses but you better systems arnt perfect.
Cravan
23-07-2006, 17:20
Are you PMT beacuse to say NS fighters are better than real fighters isnt true unless your using PMT mach 3 isnt done by fighters with todays tech.

Actually, the general consensus is... It is better.
Omni-Sense
23-07-2006, 17:34
All over your country you have airforce bases on the far side of your country. When my f22s fired they would have to got a hit with enemy planes every were you still have not posted 1 lost plane.

I stil have not posted 1 lost plane yet.... because I haven't even made a post yet.

Are you PMT beacuse to say NS fighters are better than real fighters isnt true unless your using PMT mach 3 isnt done by fighters with todays tech. I modifyed my losses but you better systems arnt perfect.

That just is wrong. Everyone knows that RL technology is behind NS MT. You want to take it up, take it up with all most everyone on NS.


Maybe you aren't getting this... THOUSANDS OF MISSILES WERE FIRED. I don't give a crap how good you think the F-22 or B-2 is... there is no chance it can dodge thousands of missiles from superior planes.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:14
[QUOTE=Omni-Sense]I stil have not posted 1 lost plane yet.... because I haven't even made a post yet.

YEA i knoticed if you dont like my losses get over it.


That just is wrong. Everyone knows that RL technology is behind NS MT. You want to take it up, take it up with all most everyone on NS.

IS it even fesible no its not thats beyond what any nation in real life could do


Maybe you aren't getting this... THOUSANDS OF MISSILES WERE FIRED. I don't give a crap how good you think the F-22 or B-2 is... there is no chance it can dodge thousands of missiles from superior planes.


possibly you arnt getting this your NS technology isnt perfect a B2 costs 1 billion dollors beacuse it has stealth and you fail to tell me how your radar finds it or how your missles track it. You cant tell me my losses no matter how much you think its unfair. I think its unfair you make up avanced aircraft that have better stats and can find stealth 100%.
Northford
23-07-2006, 19:19
When he says RL, he means technology that is already invented, and in manufacture.

When he says [NS]MT, he means technology and products that are using technology that is available and workable today, however this is much more refined and of better quality. This is usually because defence industries of NS are RP'd to have "bottomless" pits, unlike the pentagon, who gives out contracts to the lowest bidder.
Cravan
23-07-2006, 19:20
possibly you arnt getting this your NS technology isnt perfect a B2 costs 1 billion dollors beacuse it has stealth and you fail to tell me how your radar finds it or how your missles track it. You cant tell me my losses no matter how much you think its unfair. I think its unfair you make up avanced aircraft that have better stats and can find stealth 100%.

So how in God's name do you afford 100 and send all of them (unless that isn't your entire force, which I shudder to think what would be) on a single attack? And actually, some estimates claim up to $2.2 billion per plane, not including logistics support, pilot training, etc. You would be more than bankrupt having that force alone!
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:23
Still how dose he track stealth with that great accracy the B2s top of the line in Stealth it costs billions. Then if i am using technology that already exists but if hes not then theirs no way he can afford 12,000 planes thus resolving the conflict. I have 600 Already manufactored technology planes and its in the billions for me i cant imagon how he dose it.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:24
So how in God's name do you afford 100 and send all of them (unless that isn't your entire force, which I shudder to think what would be) on a single attack? And actually, some estimates claim up to $2.2 billion per plane, not including logistics support, pilot training, etc. You would be more than bankrupt having that force alone!

Your wining to me he has 12,000 planes beyond my technological ability hows that possible.
my defence budget is 1,700 billion 220 for the bombers and 500 for the fighters is not that much and thats only my annual budget.
Northford
23-07-2006, 19:28
So how in God's name do you afford 100 and send all of them (unless that isn't your entire force, which I shudder to think what would be) on a single attack? And actually, some estimates claim up to $2.2 billion per plane, not including logistics support, pilot training, etc. You would be more than bankrupt having that force alone!

I agree mate.

I have 500 Heavy Bombers. That is my entire force.

That said, I've not invested in fighters a great deal, nor have I ever deployed them.

It's all about balance.
Cravan
23-07-2006, 19:29
Maybe because his defense budget is 6 times your own? I know 12,000 is also an outrageous number, but at least he can back it up with better funding and whatnot.

http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=sochatopia&nation2=Omni-Sense&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6= <-Source
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:33
Maybe because his defense budget is 6 times your own? I know 12,000 is also an outrageous number, but at least he can back it up with better funding and whatnot.

http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=sochatopia&nation2=Omni-Sense&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6= <-Source

your maths off its only 4 times and he has 20 times the # of aircraft. witch are [better] their for more expensive. so hes at least 5 times as bad as me.
Cravan
23-07-2006, 19:35
Christ... A fighter does not cost as much as a B2 Spirit, that we can confirm right now. Infact, the cost doesn't even compare.

And I'm terribly sorry my math is off since I only glanced at it for I lack the patience to continue this futile argument. :rolleyes:
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:37
Christ... A fighter does not cost as much as a B2 Spirit, that we can confirm right now. Infact, the cost doesn't even compare.

And I'm terribly sorry my math is off since I only glanced at it for I lack the patience to continue this futile argument. :rolleyes:

It dose if it has the systems to decet it and for its missles to follow it and to go in to mach 3 i think it would even still 12,000
The Aeson
23-07-2006, 19:38
your maths off its only 4 times and he has 20 times the # of aircraft. witch are [better] their for more expensive. so hes at least 5 times as bad as me.

You're both wrong. Actually, his defense budget is 3.6261343469947327443522268484217 times Sochatopia. In addition, better, does not necessarily mean more expensive, as manufacturing abilities also improve. Finally, Omni-Senses work doesn't make my eyes hurt to read and decipher, so he wins.
Cravan
23-07-2006, 19:39
I'm dropping out of this since I'm seriously losing my patience. Good luck, Aeson.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:40
then how are you to tell me how much a B2 costs if my manufactoring is better then it should cost less right.
The Aeson
23-07-2006, 19:40
I'm dropping out of this since I'm seriously losing my patience. Good luck, Aeson.

I'm not involved, I'm just commenting.

Omni-sense, remember, if he keeps this up you can always fire up the ole I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons.

(What does that stand for again?)
Northford
23-07-2006, 19:41
It's not a case of being *bad*, it's just you need to understand how funding a war works.

Also, he's fighting a defensive war, so he's using everything at his disposal.

And, remember, when you're in the region of Trillion's of Dollars, 4 times can mean a lot.
The Aeson
23-07-2006, 19:42
then how are you to tell me how much a B2 costs if my manufactoring is better then it should cost less right.

No. As an RL plane, it has an RL cost. The price of NS designed planes are determined by the designer, as long as it's within reason.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:44
so i cant have 600 planes he can have 12,000 their better he can see my stealth and i cant support them ok seems unfair but thats alright i give you win a gain thanks to the band wagon. Aeson logic strikes again.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:44
No. As an RL plane, it has an RL cost. The price of NS designed planes are determined by the designer, as long as it's within reason.

well then im getting NS things even if i think it is cheep.
Northford
23-07-2006, 19:46
Sochatopia, if you want to fight and win a war against someone who is bigger than yourself, you're best of not trying to fight them man-for-man. You're best of having a few units, of very high quality, and Role-bitchslap-playing then to the ground.

Perhaps you should change tact?
Skinny87
23-07-2006, 19:48
so i cant have 600 planes he can have 12,000 their better he can see my stealth and i cant support them ok seems unfair but thats alright i give you win a gain thanks to the band wagon. Aeson logic strikes again.

It's a sharp learning curve, but I'm afraid the consensus is correct. NS technology is far, far better than real-life technology. The development cycle is longer, the tech has more funds and personnel at its disposal, and money is not really limited. Your B-2s are out-dated and outclassed against even average NS-tech.


Sory old chum, but welcome to the world of NS - where using RL tech means getting your arse handed to you on a plate 99/100 times. Try developing some of your own or shopping around the various storefronts.
The Aeson
23-07-2006, 19:48
so i cant have 600 planes he can have 12,000 their better he can see my stealth and i cant support them ok seems unfair but thats alright i give you win a gain thanks to the band wagon. Aeson logic strikes again.

I didn't say you couldn't have 600. I didn't say he could have 12,000. I haven't done the math yet. RL stealth is trumped by NS systems yes. I never said anything about supporting them.

Take a reading comprehension course, learn to spell, and then we'll talk.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:48
Sochatopia, if you want to fight and win a war against someone who is bigger than yourself, you're best of not trying to fight them man-for-man. You're best of having a few units, of very high quality, and Role-bitchslap-playing then to the ground.

Perhaps you should change tact?


Well i guss its not possible i have to change to NS stuff witch if better in every way. I still think its kind of un fair thought:confused:
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:50
I didn't say you couldn't have 600. I didn't say he could have 12,000. I haven't done the math yet. RL stealth is trumped by NS systems yes. I never said anything about supporting them.

Take a reading comprehension course, learn to spell, and then we'll talk.
Not you what ever his name is any way yea it sucks its unfair but if you cant beat them join them.
Skinny87
23-07-2006, 19:54
Well i guss its not possible i have to change to NS stuff witch if better in every way. I still think its kind of un fair thought:confused:

Why would it be unfair?
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:55
that his stuff is better and cost less if its better it should cost more.
Northford
23-07-2006, 19:56
It does, buh Fighters do not cost as much as bombers, and he has more money to play with.
Skinny87
23-07-2006, 19:57
that his stuff is better and cost less if its better it should cost more.

Better doesn't mean it should cost more.

EDIT: And if it does, so what? Start buying NS tech.
Sochatopia
23-07-2006, 19:59
Better doesn't mean it should cost more.

EDIT: And if it does, so what? Start buying NS tech.

I will. im done now.
The Aeson
23-07-2006, 19:59
Better doesn't mean it should cost more.

EDIT: And if it does, so what? Start buying NS tech.

Right. Look at it this way. A masterfully made katana is probably going to cost more than say, a simple pistol, but that doesn't mean it's better for killing people.
Northford
23-07-2006, 20:07
So is there going to be a third war?
The Aeson
23-07-2006, 20:08
Personally, I would suggest a counter-invasion.
Omni-Sense
24-07-2006, 03:51
This is funny. Thanks guys for putting up the obvious arguments for me while I was away.

I will just restate everything quickly for clarity.
1) NS trumps RL 99.99999999% of the time. Everyone knows this... Everyone agrees on this.
2) Those 12,000 fighters... I bought them from Macabees. They cost less than 3 Trillion combined... half of what I have to spend each year.
3) I am defending... you are attacking half-assedly. You are going to get raped.
4) I am much larger than you and have much more to spend. Don't count on winning on offensive war against me...
Sochatopia
24-07-2006, 04:32
1 yes i know now that fiction > than reality here at least.

2 More than ok i just saying i could have 600 planes and their trying to say i cant.

3 yes im done no need to be a jerk

4 i wont im done.

thanks for teaching me that NS tech is better than real tech and it is less expencive. I mean it sincerly even thought right now i think its :mad: ill just have to learn.

If you want to conter invade fine but youll get nothing out of it im done fighting you for good.
Northford
24-07-2006, 20:37
Omni-Sense, do you want some Islands?

I have a puppet called "Discovered Islands", and it's getting a little bit boring from me.

I have an interesting proposition, if you're interested.
Omni-Sense
25-07-2006, 02:43
Omni-Sense, do you want some Islands?

I have a puppet called "Discovered Islands", and it's getting a little bit boring from me.

I have an interesting proposition, if you're interested.

No thanks... I don't think I really need a puppet. I don't RP that often anyway.
Omni-Sense
25-07-2006, 02:44
1 yes i know now that fiction > than reality here at least.

2 More than ok i just saying i could have 600 planes and their trying to say i cant.

3 yes im done no need to be a jerk

4 i wont im done.

thanks for teaching me that NS tech is better than real tech and it is less expencive. I mean it sincerly even thought right now i think its :mad: ill just have to learn.

If you want to conter invade fine but youll get nothing out of it im done fighting you for good.

So I guess Omni-Sense wins another war while barely firing shot.
Southeastasia
25-07-2006, 12:06
No.
OOC: Or are you? DMG, remember my question via telegram?
Northford
25-07-2006, 12:33
Blimey.. DMG=Omni-Sense?
DMG
25-07-2006, 12:41
No, DMG=DMG. Omni-Sense = a friend of mine from the summer.

What TG? I didn't get any TG? (Or did you send it to him)
Southeastasia
25-07-2006, 12:43
No, DMG=DMG. Omni-Sense = a friend of mine from the summer.

What TG? I didn't get any TG? (Or did you send it to him)
OOC: Some time ago I asked you whether or not you had any puppets, and you said it was Omni-Sense. Then I asked whether or not you were Neo-Kravenites, which you declined then offered a reasonable alibi. I recall it quite clearly.
DMG
25-07-2006, 12:47
OOC: Some time ago I asked you whether or not you had any puppets, and you said it was Omni-Sense. Then I asked whether or not you were Neo-Kravenites, which you declined then offered a reasonable alibi. I recall it quite clearly.

If you want a more in-depth and accurate response, I will give it to you later today, but right now I have to go.

(In a short version, my friend (omni) and I both signed up at the same time last summer. We are summer friends as we see each other only where we go in the summer. I continued RPing, he didn't... so I took over his account. This summer, he saw me RPing and decided to give it another try... thus I gave him Omni-Sense back).
Northford
25-07-2006, 12:49
Hmm.. SE A.. go Sherlock!