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Here is the OOC Thread for "The Time for Pity is Over; A Time of War is Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491366)"

Please keep all the OOC Chatter in here so it will not disrupt the RP.

Thanks

Well it's 3:10 in the AM and I need sleep, but I can probably get a few words in here.

since I seem to have ... chased one person away, I guess I should make a note that me jamming everyone and everything on every possible level was meant to make everyone blind as shit and then it wasn't; the true purpose was to get people to start firing at each other. If anyone read my post the gist of it was "Hey, tense situation... lots of ships around... oh fuck we're being jammed, someone is going to attack! FIRE!"

That was the point, why I hope to reveal later through IC actions (NOTE: I am a rather slow poster). Just know I am... well I do what I do and I write what I write, I don't give a fuck if people think it's wanky or not; it's not like I'm demanding people on all detection technology levels go BLIND or anything. The only thing, the only thing I demand is that people take note that someone is trying to jam them, and all they know about it is that it isn't them behind the jamming field.

I am not demanding everyone go blind and run right into each other or missiles do a 'return-to-sender', only that my actions get noticed.

I agree. It is annoying when you think you are being ignored for no reason. It's happened to me before and it will again undoubtly. I am still waiting for someone to actually attempt to involve me in any action. Please read above and you will see I do understand what ElectronX is talking about.

I plan to have all my conventional sensors scrambled but my dimensional ones will not. This means the missile/torpedo guidance systems will be messed up.

Thank god for line of sight weapons and "other things".

since I seem to have ... chased one person away ...O.K., for the record, you didn't “chase me away”, even if you think you did. The destruction of my battlecruiser was the only possible result of getting caught in your entropy field (and whether you think of it that way or not, that's what it is). I spent the better part of two hours thinking about it (while doing other things, of course), and that was the conclusion that I reached.I guess I should make a note that me jamming everyone and everything on every possible level was meant to make everyone blind as shit and then it wasn't; the true purpose was to get people to start firing at each other. If anyone read my post the gist of it was "Hey, tense situation... lots of ships around... oh fuck we're being jammed, someone is going to attack! FIRE!"Intentions – bad or good – are all very fine, but you don't always get what you want. Sometimes unintended consequences intervene....it's not like I'm demanding people on all detection technology levels go BLIND or anything. The only thing, the only thing I demand is that people take note that someone is trying to jam them, and all they know about it is that it isn't them behind the jamming field.

I am not demanding everyone go blind and run right into each other or missiles do a 'return-to-sender', only that my actions get noticed.Well, your actions got noticed and had an effect. Isn't that what you wanted?Why you're taking it this why I don't know, but I can say I am rather offended that someone is willing to leave an RP because someone is using jamming technology, actual technology that we have in some form today in reality today.))Again – for the record – I didn't leave because you used jamming technology; I left because once I took seriously the notion that you could actually suppress all photonic emissions within a region of space, I was forced to work out the effects of that action and apply them to my vessel – and that's precisely what I did.

Beyond that, if you think that anyone can do what you did in this day and age, you need to get out more.

Jamming in this day and age is all about throwing out “noise”, either to deceive or to overwhelm enemy EM and audio detection systems. You can use a little noise to create false images, or throw out white noise to try and hide an image through wave addition and cancellation; alternately, you can use a lot of noise to blind everyone the way a loud explosion leaves everybody's ears ringing or a bright flash leaves everybody dazzled. But both of these methods involve creating more emanations, not suppressing them.... you can't conceal the assembly of vessels here or their telltale emissions (eg, hyperspace jumps and arrivals, weapons discharges, and impacts or secondary explosions)...((OOC: Uhm, that is exactly what I did if you read through my post...))Passive systems work by collecting emanations that are already out there; the only ways to defeat them are ether to overwhelm them or deceive them, as I've stated above. But neither of these techniques will keep a distant observer from knowing that something is there, or even keep a participant from knowing that there are enemies around; all these measures do is keep people from zeroing in on a target; the strategic presence of adversaries is not concealed.

The purpose of my post was to justify my diversion of a passing vessel toward the action: “Hey, there are lots of things over there emitting energy” “Oh, well, let's go check it out.” When you indicated that you were basically dropping the entire battlefield into a (figurative) black hole, that changed everything.

Now, I could have had my people say: “Hey, where'd everybody go? It's like all those ships and the star they were circling just disappeared,” and then have them shrug their shoulders and wander off, but that seems unrealistic; Jagged Blade would have closed on the scene to investigate, and that would have ultimately produced the same result.Several square pods severed themselves from False Angel's body, splitting up into several smaller square pods, and they splitting into even smaller square pods; till there were nothing more than several small morphing clouds of very small square pods.

They all disappeared into a field of blue, blue butterfly wings closing and never opening again. Where they went was a land without land in a time without time, where only emptiness dwelt and blackness found a home. All glowing an eerie ethereal glow; moving around and between where all those that were in their previous reality; but were not in here.

Vibrating and pulsating in unison; shifting from the shades and tints red and green. Dimensions formed and collapsed, flinging the scattered clouds back into existence, screaming and weeping. Electromagnetic and gravitonic; sensors and navigation; time, space, and all contained within, dance the insane dance.

Everyone in the system would hear this sad cacophony; disrupting communication tight beam and open, confusing targeting computers simple and complex; graining the pictures painted by sensors strong and weak, delicate and clumsy. Captains old and young would need to think and react; no one knew who was singing this song, only it was not they. What could such jamming signify other than an impending attack; a precursor to battle? Was it the they that wanted to liberate the mind from torturous emotions and the chaos that came with them; those silently observing close by and far away; the challenger who revered a higher power for guidance; or the newest arrival in a ship that emanated great energies? That same ship that made it and it's power known to those far and wide only a few moments before the jamming began... Who knew, no one knew. Cooler heads might prevail and peace reign, or tension may break the thin ice with the hammer of war and claim many of the lives living here now. Only time could tell.

But, till then Aliria would dance around silently watching and waiting, skipping along through the system on her compact FTL drive like a merry child out in a windy field. Leaving ripples in space and time too small to notice.What you are doing here, whether you wish to admit it or not, is to stop all EM (and, incidently, gravitational) waves from propagating through your jammer's area of effect. That can only happen in two ways: Space becomes opaque to all EM and gravity waves.


All matter and antimatter in the affected area stops emitting EM and gravity waves.I decided that it was less of a stretch to suppress emissions than to make space opaque. I then decided to ignore gravitation because that would get too weird; an EM dampener is strange enough.

All chemical and nuclear reactions release photons; these photons can always be detected, so to keep them from being detected, you have to keep them from being created. That means that the reactions – all reactions - producing photons must be suppressed. For that matter, the laws of thermodynamics must be suppressed; something as simple as heat transfer can not be allowed to occur, as heat signatures (IOW, infrared photon emissions) can also be detected.

This means – for all practical purposes – that any matter or antimatter trapped within the sphere of effect drops to absolute zero and loses all electromagnetic attraction; in chemical terms, its electronegativity drops to zero.

The result is that a mass – any mass, such as a starship – caught in such a field instantly becomes a cold plasma; its molecules all disassociate into loose atoms, these atoms all lose their electrons, these electrons all fly off into space, and – without chemical bonds to hold the resultant cloud of free radicals together any more – it simply dissolves into space like a puff of smoke. As Hudson would say, “Game over, dude!”

(Indeed, the fact that all electromagnetic emanations within the affected region are suppressed means that not only do matter-antimatter reactions stop [as I indicated in my post] but that even quantum fluctuations in the space-time continuum stop, which might actually suggest that the continuum itself ceases to exist; that would be consistent with the suppression of gravitational effects within the region. Time and space themselves would cease to be within the sphere of void created by the weapon - and with them, all matter, antimatter, and energy.)((OOC: Um, ok for one thing, you should know that even in hard sci fi, almost absolutely nothing about the technology used is in anyway realistic. People using AM somehow having enough power to contain it; FTL (big one there); cloaking, various things of temporal and dimensional tech; plasma; ship sizes; and most importantly, the element people use to somehow power all the crap they use.Don't patronize me. I probably read and watched more sci-fi before you were born than you have in your entire life.

The issue is not whether we have things in sci-fi that current notions of science can't explain; the issue is whether we decide to try and logically work out what the few fancy gizmos we do permit into our stories can do or whether we just wave our hands in the air and say: “Anything goes!”

In the pre-Campbellian era (the days before the tenure of John W. Campbell (”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Campbell”) at Astounding Science-Fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astounding_Science_Fiction)), “science” fiction writers by and large took the latter approach and invented whatever they wanted, giving us such garbage as Burroughs' “John Carter” novels. But in the post-Campbellian era there has been an unspoken rule that you must at least try to keep things within reasonable bounds in relation to reality as we know it today.Whether what I am doing is magic (I do not subscribe to limitations on technology and such bollocks) or purely within the mathematically dominant realms of science fiction, none of it has to negatively effect anyone.That is exactly wrong, and is precisely why NS FT has such a bad reputation among so many people. If I can decide to ignore reality whenever I please because it doesn't suit me to do so, then I am godmodding – pure and simple. I prefer “hard” sci-fi because there are at least some rules. Sadly, “pulp” sci-fi – largely thanks to George Lucas – seems to be making a powerful comeback among the younger generation. C'est la vie.

P.S. If you wanted to start a fight, why in tarnation did you start by blinding everybody so that they couldn't shoot at each other if they took you seriously? You were just begging to be ignored...

O.K., for the record, you didn't “chase me away”, even if you think you did. The destruction of my battlecruiser was the only possible result of getting caught in your entropy field (and whether you think of it that way or not, that's what it is).

OH YES GOD! PLEASE TELL ME WHAT MY SHIT IS! If I wanted it to be an entrophy field or the steller equivalent of the fountain of youth, is up to me. How it effects you if of course up to you, but I am pointing out that it was not an entrophy field. I don't care if you give me every calculation from your "how to annoy someone in fiction with science for dummies" book, it wasn't an entrophy field.

I spent the better part of two hours thinking about it (while doing other things, of course), and that was the conclusion that I reached.Intentions – bad or good – are all very fine, but you don't always get what you want. Sometimes unintended consequences intervene.Well, your actions got noticed and had an effect. Isn't that what you wanted?Again – for the record – I didn't leave because you used jamming technology; I left because once I took seriously the notion that you could actually suppress all photonic emissions within a region of space, I was forced to work out the effects of that action and apply them to my vessel – and that's precisely what I did.

Whatever, if this all works under the assumption everything is suppressed (didn't I say in my post I was like, scrambling shit, not supressing every particle known and not known to modern science?), in a field of entrophy (not what it is.), then I'd say you've made a mistake.


Beyond that, if you think that anyone can do what you did in this day and age, you need to get out more.

I never said anyone could do what I did; don't misquote me.

them.Passive systems work by collecting emanations that are already out there; the only ways to defeat them are ether to overwhelm them or deceive them, as I've stated above.

Then that is exactly what happened. Whatever, I don't care, it was all being targeted and jammed. I don't care how, I don't care if it's feasible, I just don't give a fuck.

But neither of these techniques will keep a distant observer from knowing that something is there, or even keep a participant from knowing that there are enemies around; all these measures do is keep people from zeroing in on a target; the strategic presence of adversaries is not concealed.

Maybe you should read what I did before continuing down this path.


Now, I could have had my people say: “Hey, where'd everybody go? It's like all those ships and the star they were circling just disappeared,” and then have them shrug their shoulders and wander off, but that seems unrealistic; Jagged Blade would have closed on the scene to investigate, and that would have ultimately produced the same result.What you are doing here, whether you wish to admit it or not, is to stop all EM (and, incidently, gravitational) waves from propagating through your jammer's area of effect. That can only happen in two ways:[LIST=a] Space becomes opaque to all EM and gravity waves.

READ what I DID.

*snip*

As I said, above.

Don't patronize me. I probably read and watched more sci-fi before you were born than you have in your entire life.

"Lawl I read more than u i expert lololol!" Like I give a shit how much fiction you have or have not seen, the fact you must try and contain fiction in the realm of complicated mathematics and boring laws of science means you know less about fiction than the guy whose never picked up a book in his life.

The issue is not whether we have things in sci-fi that current notions of science can't explain; the issue is whether we decide to try and logically work out what the few fancy gizmos we do permit into our stories can do or whether we just wave our hands in the air and say: “Anything goes!”

It's, FICTION for crying out loud. Show me anywhere any sort of tested evidence that any of the cool fictiony bits in fiction are ever realistic.

But in the post-Campbellian era there has been an unspoken rule that you must at least try to keep things within reasonable bounds in relation to reality as we know it today.

Then about every novel ever printed still fails. FTL in sci fi, hard or not, may be required in most instances and is thus permissible for anyone and everyone to wave away science as we know it today, but they still fail to keep things within 'reasonable bounds', because nothing about FTL travel (And most power scources invented to make them work) relate to reality as we know it today.

That is exactly wrong, and is precisely why NS FT has such a bad reputation among so many people. If I can decide to ignore reality whenever I please because it doesn't suit me to do so, then I am godmodding – pure and simple. I prefer “hard” sci-fi because there are at least some rules. Sadly, “pulp” sci-fi – largely thanks to George Lucas – seems to be making a powerful comeback among the younger generation. C'est la vie.

See this is where you lose all credability. NS FT is in such a bad shape (if you paid any attention and read through some threads you might know this) because of people who want everything to go their way without regard for the story (granted those who want to RP nation simulation have some leway in this regard); warsie wankers who've turned what good star wars was into the trash it is today; and people like you who demand creativity and imagination be contained within the realms of science so you can beat people over the head with useless stats and technology.

Godmodding is doing what I did and demanding everyone die and bend to my will; godmodding is pulling shit out of your ass so you can 'win' the story without giving the other participants a chance. Plot devices (what I did, not that I think you even fucking read what I posted) are not godmodes, they are never godmodes, they are devices used to enhance the story and strengthen the plot (not that really threads start out with those really, it is something that everyone creates by posting and contributing).


P.S. If you wanted to start a fight, why in tarnation did you start by blinding everybody so that they couldn't shoot at each other if they took you seriously? You were just begging to be ignored...

Read. What. I. Did.

Don't you think you ought to refrain from ranting?

Don't you think you ought to refrain from ranting?
You are the one who started 'ranting' when you went on a tirade trying to explain useless and meaningless scientific concepts to me, because you can't stand the fiction in science fiction unless it affords you the advantage. Any ranting I have done is in response to your innane, and insane techno lecture you mistakenly thought relevant to the RP at hand. So before you ask me or anyone else to stop 'ranting' maybe you should ask yourself why we're 'ranting' in response to something you've said.

I need the Flagships names and the Capitons name from everybody involved in the thread

Neoman Ship: NNS Coords Fury

Capitons name: Robert Belkin

there only is one Kirisuban ship.

NKES Ki-rin, Captain Emiko Tsuki comanding.

The Ki-rin has two transporter rooms and in other threads with Neoma kirisuban ships generally end up being the main ships for treating the injured for this reason.

This is my last comment on this matter.You are the one who started 'ranting' when you went on a tirade ...I don't see how my posts can fairly be described as “ranting” or “a tirade”. I have used no obscentiy, have not SHOUTED, have not insulted you or even your position (labelling it as, say “inane” or “insane”). The tenor of my remarks (even now) remains calm, whereas yours has been excessively emotional, charged with a misplaced sense of outrage and anger, as though disagreement with you were in and of itself an obscenity. Where are you coming from, and what is your emotional state in life that you become so easily ruffled?... trying to explain useless and meaningless scientific concepts to me ...I find your depiction of my remarks as “useless” telling. There is then, I take it, no room for “science” in “science fiction”?... because you can't stand the fiction in science fiction ...You mean because I don't think the “fiction” part of “science fiction” nullifies the need for any of the “science”, don't you?... unless it affords you the advantage.Excuse me, but where in my words or actions do you see me demanding any kind of “advantage”? I believe the only motive I've ascribed to my people was eagerness to get into a fight.

It sounds to me as though you are projecting, arguing with someone other than me about issues that have nothing to do with me. In that case, you can easily carry on without me.Any ranting I have done is in response to your innane, and insane techno lecture you mistakenly thought relevant to the RP at hand.Funny - I didn't use slurs like “inane” or “insane” to describe your position. How come you think it's acceptable for you to insult me that way?It's, FICTION for crying out loud. Show me anywhere any sort of tested evidence that any of the cool fictiony bits in fiction are ever realistic.Arthur C. Clarke, 2001: A Space Oddysey (the novel as well as the film by Stanley Kubrick): Bowman's entrance into Discovery through the airlock, sans helmet. Care for any more examples?

Actually, I don't really even need to cite that example, because literature is full of realistic stories that are just as thrilling - and maybe even more so - is spite of (and maybe even because of) their realism: “A Cask of Amontillado”: Edgar Allan Poe (along with scores of other Poe stories that, while eerie, involve no real supernatural elements).


Deliverance: James Dickey.


Empire of the Sun: J.G. Ballard (I hope everybody knows that the “J.” in “J.G.” stands for “Jim” - the story was quasi-biographical - and even Jim's vision of the bombing of Hiroshima is realistic, in so far as thousands of people worldwide are documented as having had similar visions!).


The Year of Living Dangerously: Christopher J. Cox.


Chernobyl: Frederick Pohl.


Gone With the Wind: Margaret Mitchell.


Seven Days in May: F. Knebel.


Failsafe: Anthony Burgess (I could add Burgess' bizarre novel A Clockwork Orange to the list, not only as borderline science fiction but as a story where every detail could actually be real).


“North by Northwest”: Alfred Hitchcock & Ernest Lehman (actually, almost every Hitchcock film aside from “The Birds” involves only realistic elements).


“Cape Fear”: J. Lee Thompson & James R. Webb (the original, with Gregory Peck, et al.).


“Unforgiven”: Clint Eastwood (we could also mention “Play Misty for Me” [Clint Eastwood & Joe Hiems]).“Ah,” but you say, “None are science fiction! In science fiction, reality goes out the window; you can't have good realistic science fiction.”

Science fiction, by tradition, allows some speculative or fantastic elements: even the ultra-realistic 2001: A Space Odyssey had its mysterious alien super-beings. But the best elements of quality science fiction are the realistic ones, and there have been successful science fiction tales with no fantastic elements whatsoever. What made “Aliens” (James Cameron) so successful? Was it the “gee whiz” technology or the primal struggle between Ripley and the alien queen? The problem with much of what passes for “science fiction” (at least in the cinema) in this day and age is its fixation on übertechnology and special effects in open defiance of the artist's principle that “less is more”. That is precisely why the “cool(est) fictiony bits in fiction” are precisely the realistic ones and not the showy, shallow magitech displays.the fact you must try and contain fiction in the realm of complicated mathematics and boring laws of science means you know less about fiction than the guy whose never picked up a book in his life.No, it means that I have a mature taste in literature - one in which characterization and drama (which, even when exagerrated, are always still “realistic”) means more than an adolescent fixation with special effects.

And, beyond that, whoever said that science is “boring”? Not the folks at the Science Channel - and their ratings show that there are lots of people who agree.

As for “complicated” mathematics, where is there any mathematics at all in my posts?!?Then about every novel ever printed still fails. FTL in sci fi, hard or not, may be required in most instances and is thus permissible for anyone and everyone to wave away science as we know it today, but they still fail to keep things within 'reasonable bounds', because nothing about FTL travel (And most power scources invented to make them work) relate to reality as we know it today.FTL and its power requirements have (regrettably) been “grandfathered in” to modern sci-fi, more because people can't readily concieve of a way to make their plot lines work without it (although many have tried and some have succeeded [eg, Arthur C. Clarke in “Songs of Distant Earth”]).

But after FTL, I don't see the wholesale disregard for science that you do. I see rail guns and maglevs in place of grav sleds; I see factories and hypodermics instead of nanomachines synthesizing everything in place or coursing through our bloodstreams and curing all ills; I see fusion engines instead of inertialess, reactionless drives; I see people taking public transit instead of flying around Jetson's style in personal aircraft. That's not to say that I don't see the more “magical” things; it is to say that I see quite a lot of stories without them. But then maybe in your world, Larry Niven, Ben Bova, Gordon Dickson, and Arthur C. Clarke's many collaborators don't write “real” science fiction.

Sorry, but it isn't all “space opera” - not by a d_mn_d sight.

But all this aside, the right of sci-fi authors to introduce unexplained and poorly explained technologies is a “mulligan” we allow the genre; as such, it should not be abused. What Samuel Coleridge Taylor termed “willing suspension of disbelief” is stretched to the breaking point the further we leave reality in our rear view mirror; even those who argue against the old rule of one fantastic element per story (such as J.R.R. Tolkein in his essay "On Fairy-Stories") find themselves, in the more immersive story-form we now call “speculative fiction”, obliged to maintain some semblance of familiar reality. There's much about the Shire and Minas Tirith - or Tatooine and Coruscant - that is comfortably familiar or, if you prefer, “realistic”.

So in the end, I do reject the notion that ...It's, FICTION for crying out loud...... and we can therefore do whatever we please. On a certain level, in a certain sub-genre, of course you can; but if you do, it's not really good storytelling IMNSHO.

It's tripe.

You may have the last word.

This is my last comment on this matter.I don't see how my posts can fairly be described as “ranting” or “a tirade”. I have used no obscentiy, have not SHOUTED, have not insulted you or even your position (labelling it as, say “inane” or “insane”).

Making incumbent upon yourself to explaina science and technology to me as well as posturing as some sort of literary connoisseur, because you happen to like confining everything within the realm of scientific laws (and then by posting and trying to RP envirably tossing them out the window at the same time), and then on top of that trying to tell me what my stuff is, is rather insulting on top of looking like a tirade.

The tenor of my remarks (even now) remains calm, whereas your is excessively emotional, charged with a misplaced sense of outrage and anger, as though disagreement with you were in and of itself an obscenity. Where are you coming from, and what is your emotional state in life that you become so easily ruffled?

You're not a psychologist, so don't try to act like one. I also fail to fall for your duplicity (I am calm and not insulting, but hey I am making sneaky remarks about your emotional state, hey I am calm and not insulting!) laden throughout your statements.

I find your depiction of my remarks as “useless” telling. There is then, I take it, no room for “science” in “science fiction”?You mean because I don't think the “fiction” part of “science fiction” nullifies the need for any of the “science”, don't you?Excuse me, but where in my words or actions do you see me demanding any kind of “advantage”? I believe the only motive I've ascribed to my people was eagerness to get into a fight.

No, that's going to the other extreme, where it is all fantasy and what science there is could technically be labelled magic. However, you go the exact opposite route, demanding only science science and more science, no room for the imaginative fantasy elements some of us enjoy and most of us use for our nations. The fact you went into great detail about the 'entrophy' field (not what it was.) and then waltzed on in here like you're some sorta damn expert in the field of science, felt the need to explain science to me.

It sounds to me as though you are projecting, arguing with someone other than me about issues that have nothing to do with me. In that case, you can easily carry on without me.Funny - I didn't use slurs like “inane” or “insane” to describe your position. How come you think it's acceptable for you to insult me that way?

The 'issue' is your annoying technobabble and insistence on hard science fiction, the kind most people in NS don't RP with. You should have known comming in here few of us are scientists and fewer of us use what concepts we have learned unless we just feel like it. What you don't understand, is that it is rather insulting to walk into an RP, and get pissed off that something someone is doing you don't think is very realistic. Add on to that trying to explain to them why they're wrong with useless concepts they don't want nor need.

Arthur C. Clarke, 2001: A Space Oddysey (the novel as well as the film by Stanley Kubrick): Bowman's entrance into Discovery through the airlock, sans helmet. Care for any more examples?

*snip the rest*


I guess I wasn't clear, by fictionary bits I am reffering to the made up future (that I probably should have added, for that indecression I will appologize) technological pieces that make up the work. This includes hyperdrives, sensors, weapons, defensive systems, the works. The stuff that we RP here in NS FT; stuff you find in the works of Hamilton or Mitchell.

Science fiction, by tradition, allows some speculative or fantastic elements: even the ultra-realistic 2001: A Space Odyssey had its mysterious alien super-beings. But the best elements of quality science fiction are the realistic ones, and there have been successful science fiction tales with no fantastic elements whatsoever.

That of course, is your opinion. Others out there, like me and I suspect a great deal of NS FTers, like more fantasy elements than the hard science. See this is your problem: you're so hung up on your idea of 'quality' science fiction, that you forget others here have their own idea of 'quality' science fiction. Most of us are able to come together (not always without a few large ass bumps in the road) and allow our ideas mesh; concession are made by boths sides and the RP proceeds along. After all, no matter if you play like this is a nation simulator or not, the RP is all that matters.

What made “Aliens” (James Cameron) so successful? Was it the “gee whiz” technology or the primal struggle between Ripley and the alien queen? The problem with much of what passes for “science fiction” (at least in the cinema) in this day and age is its fixation on übertechnology and special effects in open defiance of the artist's principle that “less is more”. That is precisely why the “cool(est) fictiony bits in fiction” are precisely the realistic ones and not the showy, shallow magitech displays.

This is again is your opinion of things, a rather rude one at that; you're entire statement implies your tastes in fiction are superior to my and everyone elses who does not subscribe to 'science is powa!'

Also Aliens was successful due in part to good acting, a good story, and a good director, as well as being character centric. TNG was character centric, the technology (wholey unrealistic on most counts) was background noise. Technology is a device meant to enhance and strengthen the plot. TNG had ample amounts of unrealistic technology, just like Star Wars, but they were good (recent incarnations are not so good) because the technology remained a background noise the characters interacted with.

No, it means that I have a mature taste in literature - one in which characterization and drama (which, even when exagerrated, are always still “realistic”) means more than an adolescent fixation with special effects.

Yes because I said/implied anywhere I loved special effects over characters, right :rolleyes:

FTL and its power requirements have (regrettably) been “grandfathered in” to modern sci-fi, more because people can't readily concieve of a way to make their plot lines work without it (although many have tried and some have succeeded [eg, Arthur C. Clarke in “Songs of Distant Earth”]).

AND? Still you demand realism in an arena that is at the very start, unrealistic. No one here (well most people) don't interact with the FT community and all its flaws using 2001 or any of the sequels as a base for technology, they use FTL, FT weapons, FT ships, the entire lot.

Yes there is a difference between fantasy/fiction and plain insanity. Someone breaking every law in science we know for their own benefit without any regard for the story, or using it to threaten other people demanding they accept being inferior, is wanking insanity not conducive to RPing. Someone using technology to further the plot for the good of the story trying to be told is not wanking, they are writing and within the realms of science fiction/fantasy.

The right of sci-fi authors to introduce unexplained and poorly explained technologies is a “mulligan” we allow the genre; as such, it should not be abused. What Samuel Coleridge Taylor termed “willing suspension of disbelief” is stretched to the breaking point the further we leave reality in our rear view mirror; even those who argue against the old rule of one fantastic element per story (such as J.R.R. Tolkein in his essay "On Fairy-Stories") find themselves, in what we now call speculative fiction, obliged to maintain some semblance of familiar reality.

There doesn't have to be any reality at all unless the lack of such makes it impossible to relate to the characters and what plights they are suffering. People who demand stories remain restricted to the nuances of reality and science or it is not writing don't know what the hell writing is. Confining art, any art to abitrary rules and regulations or it isn't art goes against the princible of art itself: to be free and creative in your work.

So in the end, I do reject the notion that ...... and we can therefore do whatever we please.

You have the last word.


Fine, reject what you want, RP what you want, write what you want, but your way is not the only way, and it's damned rude to assume otherwise.

OK, now that the debate is over, can we get on with the story? I am still waiting for someone to involve me somehow...

dont worry I will involove you some how.........

CM, what the hell man? We're all in this RP with small forces - something that is rare in II - and then you come in with your giant space penis and try to masturbate all over it? 100,000 Hataks? Probably more than exist in the Milky Way for one thing, not to mention that you don't have the...

I don't need to bring up the imposibilities of it all, just that you better tone it the hell down or you're not going to be recognized, by anyone.

100,000..... The whole Hobbeebian Armada dosent even have that many ships at its top production. We have a lot but that to much. And if you did have that many ships then you would have the worst quility of ship ever let loose in the galaxy...

I have a single battlegroup there, that ammounts to 15-20 ships, max.

My entire military is about 2300 ships.

Those numbers you posted are worthy of several nations that are at best laughed at on NS. Don't fall for that trap.

You are too good for that.

CM, what the hell man? We're all in this RP with small forces - something that is rare in II - and then you come in with your giant space penis and try to masturbate all over it? 100,000 Hataks? Probably more than exist in the Milky Way for one thing, not to mention that you don't have the...

I don't need to bring up the impossibilities of it all, just that you better tone it the hell down or you're not going to be recognized, by anyone.

You've got to give me some leeway. Remember I stated that the ubernumber of ships were untested in combat? There's a reason for this. Neoma can vouch for me I turn these large scale invasions on a small scale very subtlety.

Neoma asked me to come in, we've RPed before and he knows how I enter wars. Let me give you a little brief on my ships. They are constructed by nanite shipyards in orbit of the CM colonies. We have roughly a thousand different docks that can each make a new ship of any class within a year. This is because we (members of the GDA) use our huge "space-penis" to conquer the outer rims of the universe for fun and profit every now and then, so I have a lot of ships available, doubly so since I pawn them off so easily to other countries through my store in the IM (see my sig)

Now, electron I've been here for 8 months longer than you have and I was artificially advanced from a 2010 nation to a 2075 nation by 2020 due to some temporal meddling by my future self and advanced allies. So yeah, I was dealing in space-bound wars before you even came in here. I know how to conduct a space war, don't worry.


And one last question? If you wanted this to be a small scale war, why did you put it in II? I mean, II is where every pulls out their E-wang for an E-pissing contest. That is why I stopped posting there for the most part. NS is where all the small scale wars are usually kept.

You've got to give me some leeway. Remember I stated that the ubernumber of ships were untested in combat? There's a reason for this. Neoma can vouch for me I turn these large scale invasions on a small scale very subtlety.

Oh, so am I to believe that 99% of everything you sent is to magicaklly blow up upon exiting hyperspace? Mmm? Being untested does not mean jack shit as far as this RP is concerned, unless 99% of all the ships in your navy will blow up from being the most shoddy pieces of podunct trash this side of the Great Attractor.

Neoma asked me to come in, we've RPed before and he knows how I enter wars. Let me give you a little brief on my ships. They are constructed by nanite shipyards in orbit of the CM colonies. We have roughly a thousand different docks that can each make a new ship of any class within a year. This is because we (members of the GDA) use our huge "space-penis" to conquer the outer rims of the universe for fun and profit every now and then, so I have a lot of ships available, doubly so since I pawn them off so easily to other countries through my store in the IM (see my sig)

Denied. Space Opera number wanking != 99% of the people in II or NS. This is not an RP for number or stat wanking by people who have no understanding of infrastructure or economics, who want to run massive galactic empires and run roughshod over everyone else. This is a small-medium scale RP between about 10 people who have all refrained from leaving their homesystems vulnerable to massive incursions by suddenly warping in half their navy into a situation, that they realistically probably do not really care about. Why you decide to go opposite what we've all being doing is beyond me.

Now, electron I've been here for 8 months longer than you have and I was artificially advanced from a 2010 nation to a 2075 nation by 2020 due to some temporal meddling by my future self and advanced allies. So yeah, I was dealing in space-bound wars before you even came in here. I know how to conduct a space war, don't worry.

Now, Crazed, I don't give a flying fuck. You being here longer than the oldest nation or being fresh as a cow pie in a green pasture has NOTHING to do with the complaint at hand and is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the RP.

I also can't find it anywhere in my heart to recognize anything that you and some of your idiot allies do if this is the status quo; it's just bad roleplay and nothing anyone should be forced to take part in.

And one last question? If you wanted this to be a small scale war, why did you put it in II? I mean, II is where every pulls out their E-wang for an E-pissing contest. That is why I stopped posting there for the most part. NS is where all the small scale wars are usually kept.

Er, no, people have small scale conflicts here. They are made into LARGE conflicts by people like YOU who rush in with magic space fleets from ass-spaceistan, and masturbate all over the efforts of everyone else involved who know how to be sane with the RP.

So either it gets toned down, you remain sane, and stop your number wanking, or go away.

Actually, the NS forums were reserved for Character interaction while the II forums were for Nation interaction.

If you would have checked to see the number of ships the various nations were utilizing you would see a quarter of a million ships were way too many forces to use.

say 100,000 Ha'Taks and a standard BattleFleet heavy two SDS'." Smith said, finishing up. This would send in 500 Onyx SSDs, 12500 SSDs, 25000 ISDs, and 50000 Asguard and Covenant Motherships along with the two irreplacable Super Death Stars and twelve Sniper Class Battle Monitors plus the accompanying AI-controlled corvettes and other escort ships and fighters.

Well, 188,012 ships plus 2 Super Death Stars and "the accompanying AI-controlled corvettes and other escort ships and fighters". That should be well over 250,000 ships.

We are about the same age so we both have just under 5 billion people. The accepted percent military forces is 5% of your total NS population. That would give you 25 million people for your military. About 80% of them are consumed in Logistics leaving 20% for actual deployment. This includes your army and navy personal. That would be 5 million people to crew 250,000+ ships or an average of 20 people per ship to perform all duties. This ranges from being the captain to latrine duty.

That is why people are calling WANK.

I haven't even attempted to figure out how many crew you actually need for your ships.

FYI, I am running at .5% for my forces because anything more is unnecessary at my age.

uh, dude, I was going to remove all the AI-controlled ships, including all my escort ships due to a warp glitch. I don't use hyperspace at all. My coaxial drive (folding space) is much faster but so much riskier as well when using large-scale formation jumps. A little misjudgement by the commander will whittle down my Fleet, don't worry.

And I don't call carefully calculating my purchases on the IM and building per year number wanking. I'm playing relative time. Neoma and I fought when I had just become a space tech nation and he was a super small MT nation, now he's a space tech nation which means I'll have advanced about 150 years since. So the amount of firepower I have placed out there is not unrealistic, especially since New Exodus has identical contracts for the CM military that my own shipyards have.

So, if you don't like how many ships I can still legitimately field then tough cookies. I came here at the behest of my buddy and I need a good RP to pass the time away.

However, if you're ticked at how many I HAVE fielded, then I can reduce it easily and effectively. Guess what, I was going to as well but you didn't have to go off the handle for just a preliminary post.

Well, 188,012 ships plus 2 Super Death Stars and "the accompanying AI-controlled corvettes and other escort ships and fighters". That should be well over 250,000 ships.

We are about the same age so we both have just under 5 billion people. The accepted percent military forces is 5% of your total NS population. That would give you 25 million people for your military. About 80% of them are consumed in Logistics leaving 20% for actual deployment. This includes your army and navy personal. That would be 5 million people to crew 250,000+ ships or an average of 20 people per ship to perform all duties. This ranges from being the captain to latrine duty.

You forget that less than half the ships are actually manned by people, the others manned by clones, and my ships are AI heavy to reduce manpower. And the statistic of my population is counting only CITIZENS, so if I dominated systems in, oh let's say Dec '04 and have continue to do so to this day then I'd be like the Roman empire: 10 territorials per citizen. then add in I have an unusually large military since the Army is nonexistant the the Blue Water Navy has moved to a Space Fleet (yes, I RP anachronistically).

I only brought in so many ships so I could make a reference to the 3rd Jedi Academy thread as well as link in the character who decimated Neoma to their salvation.

uh, dude, I was going to remove all the AI-controlled ships, including all my escort ships due to a warp glitch. I don't use hyperspace at all. My coaxial drive (folding space) is much faster but so much riskier as well when using large-scale formation jumps. A little misjudgement by the commander will whittle down my Fleet, don't worry.

And I don't call carefully calculating my purchases on the IM and building per year number wanking. I'm playing relative time. Neoma and I fought when I had just become a space tech nation and he was a super small MT nation, now he's a space tech nation which means I'll have advanced about 150 years since. So the amount of firepower I have placed out there is not unrealistic, especially since New Exodus has identical contracts for the CM military that my own shipyards have.

So, if you don't like how many ships I can still legitimately field then tough cookies. I came here at the behest of my buddy and I need a good RP to pass the time away.

However, if you're ticked at how many I HAVE fielded, then I can reduce it easily and effectively. Guess what, I was going to as well but you didn't have to go off the handle for just a preliminary post.



You forget that less than half the ships are actually manned by people, the others manned by clones, and my ships are AI heavy to reduce manpower. And the statistic of my population is counting only CITIZENS, so if I dominated systems in, oh let's say Dec '04 and have continue to do so to this day then I'd be like the Roman empire: 10 territorials per citizen. then add in I have an unusually large military since the Army is nonexistant the the Blue Water Navy has moved to a Space Fleet (yes, I RP anachronistically).

I only brought in so many ships so I could make a reference to the 3rd Jedi Academy thread as well as link in the character who decimated Neoma to their salvation.

CM steamed rolled me and glassed my capitol with MOABs the bastard... :P

uh, dude, I was going to remove all the AI-controlled ships, including all my escort ships due to a warp glitch. I don't use hyperspace at all. My coaxial drive (folding space) is much faster but so much riskier as well when using large-scale formation jumps. A little misjudgement by the commander will whittle down my Fleet, don't worry.

How about you tell us how far you are going to whittle it down hmm? Or give us some warning that you're going to do what looks like bukakking all over a thread?

And I don't call carefully calculating my purchases on the IM and building per year number wanking. I'm playing relative time. Neoma and I fought when I had just become a space tech nation and he was a super small MT nation, now he's a space tech nation which means I'll have advanced about 150 years since. So the amount of firepower I have placed out there is not unrealistic, especially since New Exodus has identical contracts for the CM military that my own shipyards have.

The fact you lack understanding in all things economics (most of II lacks this too, don't feel bad), DOES make it number wanking when you somehow claim to be able to afford to maintain and support more Ha'taks than exist in the milk way. Also 150 years is about the amount of time it would take you to build up the logistics chain and the infrastructure to start your number of uberships. Buying from the travesty that is the International Mall does not somehow legitimise your massive number of carboard ships.

So, if you don't like how many ships I can still legitimately field then tough cookies. I came here at the behest of my buddy and I need a good RP to pass the time away.

You can't legitimately field them, not now, not ever. That is the problem. No one here agreed to a space opera battle, and I doubt anyone here wants a widening of the conflict (even if 99% of your ships died, it's still be too many).

This is a small scale conflict RP so far, without the stupid number wanking and Space Opera drama, and it's going to stay that way unless the OP says otherwise.

However, if you're ticked at how many I HAVE fielded, then I can reduce it easily and effectively. Guess what, I was going to as well but you didn't have to go off the handle for just a preliminary post.

No, I am highly pissed that at no point did you even hint that you were going to shave your numbers down to something acceptable (I still doubt highly you will), instead you made a single IC post number spamming us because some guy called for your assistence in a minor conflict RP.

You forget that less than half the ships are actually manned by people, the others manned by clones, and my ships are AI heavy to reduce manpower.

Who cares. Clones and drones count towards NS populations, they always have and always will.

Every ship has an Upkeep cost associated with running it. What is the Upkeep for 250,000 ships?

250k vessels of ISD size and above = I laugh at you!

Adding two SUPER Death Stars to the above number = I REALLY laugh at you!

Saying clones/drones/etc do not count towards population estimates = I don't laugh at you. I just call you a wanker.

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Each ship has maintenance and upkeep costs. Each soldier has training and upkeep costs. Fuel. Food. Ammo. Clothing. Spare parts... you get the idea...

Well, actually you don't, do you? After all you're claiming to have a phenomenally large navy that your population cannot possibly support with respect to personnel and even less respect to finance. That seems to be the crux of the whole issue. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no way in heck that your nation could support such a massive military force without them being crafted from tinfoil and matchsticks (and even then I would call you into doubt), crewed by nothing but a bunch of monkeys armed with nothing other than the poo they would fling at nearby ships.

Not that such is not an innovative RPing concept... ("Sir! Multiple hits on the starboard bow!" "Aw man... its gonna take forever to get that off!")

But I digress and conclude: CM, to you I say boo!

250k vessels of ISD size and above = I laugh at you!

Adding two SUPER Death Stars to the above number = I REALLY laugh at you!

Saying clones/drones/etc do not count towards population estimates = I don't laugh at you. I just call you a wanker.

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Each ship has maintenance and upkeep costs. Each soldier has training and upkeep costs. Fuel. Food. Ammo. Clothing. Spare parts... you get the idea...

Well, actually you don't, do you? After all you're claiming to have a phenomenally large navy that your population cannot possibly support with respect to personnel and even less respect to finance. That seems to be the crux of the whole issue. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no way in heck that your nation could support such a massive military force without them being crafted from tinfoil and matchsticks (and even then I would call you into doubt), crewed by nothing but a bunch of monkeys armed with nothing other than the poo they would fling at nearby ships.

Not that such is not an innovative RPing concept... ("Sir! Multiple hits on the starboard bow!" "Aw man... its gonna take forever to get that off!")

But I digress and conclude: CM, to you I say boo!

Hobbeebia are your guys part of your active government?

No, in fact they are a dark section of the biomech. I can explain more later tonight if need be.

No, in fact they are a dark section of the biomech. I can explain more later tonight if need be.

...oh, okay.

But do they have there own government, planets.... Anything that can identify them

crewed by nothing but a bunch of monkeys armed with nothing other than the poo they would fling at nearby ships.

Not that such is not an innovative RPing concept... ("Sir! Multiple hits on the starboard bow!" "Aw man... its gonna take forever to get that off!")


Dude, that is an awesome idea. I'm gonna use that in my next RP. A Giant ship shaped like a monkey excreting the warhead and throwing it at the enemy....


Oh, and how do you like it now that I have whittled down my fleet's deployment? And before you talk about upkeep cost again I keep it down to a minimum with astromech droids using nanites (see: Deus Ex repair droids), replicator systems, and my maintence cost is mostly paid by member nations of the GDA since I'm usually the on-duty fleet (even if you don't like the IM, you don't have to tell me. More or less we're all merc nations there) . However, the low cost of the repairs is going to come into play soon, you'll see.

And now an apology (rare for me). I did not tell you guys what I was doing. I just assumed Neoma knew what I was going to do and that would be fine. I do this because I like to keep a surprise going. Personally, I feel OOC threads are good for keeping internal conflict down but spoils most of the story if you're a member. I found that out the hard way with all three Jedi Academy threads I was a member of.

Oh, and how do you like it now that I have whittled down my fleet's deployment? And before you talk about upkeep cost again I keep it down to a minimum with astromech droids using nanites (see: Deus Ex repair droids), replicator systems, and my maintence cost is mostly paid by member nations of the GDA since I'm usually the on-duty fleet (even if you don't like the IM, you don't have to tell me. More or less we're all merc nations there) . However, the low cost of the repairs is going to come into play soon, you'll see.

Don't care. 250k+ for a fleetsize, PLUS 'death stars' with particular note paid towards the usage of plural, gets a big fat hell no from me and very nearly every other person on NS. And the people who wouldn't say no... lets just say they wouldn't be helping your case.

Astromech droids cost money to build. Nanites cost money to build. Replication takes energy and time, which in turn requires money to sustain. All of these supposed things you speak of to 'reduce' maintenance costs also need maintenance themselves.

Mationbuds tried to inflate his fleet size to something very nearly rivaling your fleet estimates by saying he had alliances paying for the manufacture (I asked the nations involved in the various alliances and their response was along the lines of "I'd rather shoot him in the face than give him funding."). I find myself curious as to whether you are OFFICIALLY being given any funding for your forces or if you just assume you're getting it because of your alliance.

...oh, okay.

But do they have there own government, planets.... Anything that can identify them


No real goverment. But trust me you wont need to have anything specific to ID them. Look for large planet(s) with large abnormalities, large fleets, and spherical metal balls orbiting them. That and some stars have been infected as well, they look like black lights in space....

I assume attacking dark biomechs is no way to be counted as attacking your real nation...

Ok after reading up on the RP I would like to roleplay as the Ganoxans if you would allow me too. Just a lil bored with another RP that has lost its momentum recently. Im sure Bal knows what im talking about. So with your permission can i roleplay the Ganoxans maybe the Alliance specifically. If I do I will assume the level of technology is around the WW I - WW II era.

waiting for Neoma to respond to my three guys entering and give them a tatical briefing as well as where I should expect my fleet to come into play.

so, am I going to get anyone reply to my ground forces meeting up with someone. I don't care which side I just need to see which side is which. I kinda got lost over all the who's who so I need a side count.

Well I basically took the Neoman crash victims to Alliance Headquarters. So you can say something about tracking the signal and landing near the building. Im soon goin to have the Forellians and the Alliance mount some sort of defense against the Cyverons. Now you FT guys can offer to train the Ganoxans to use more effective weaponry. Now the 300,000 population, with Vespers approval, im goin to change the population to about 500 million saying the most of the population was hiding in bomb shelters and that the 300,000 was really military personnel

That's fine. You control them now, so you can update their population, Government etc.

Ok, I'm going to have the guys meet up with Neoman troops. We'll work as advisors so not only do we train your men but they will want to fight as well.

I don't think it's really possible to train men to be better fighters while they're being shot at by Future Tech forces.

Train them with your FT rifles and other weapons

I assume attacking dark biomechs is no way to be counted as attacking your real nation...

Nope, but be warned they are not push overs...

ive made a map, to avoid confusion, out of the Civ III editor trying to upload it on imageshack.


ok heres the map

http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forellianiiivl0.png

Blue = Alliance Territory

Red = Forellian Union Territory

Orange = Territory captured by the Cyverons

Nope, but be warned they are not push overs...


I wouldn't want it any other way.

It makes for a good story.

I wouldn't want it any other way.

It makes for a good story.


They are extremly hard to defeat. They can reproduce on the battlefield and can regenerate thier hulls and soldiers from matter thats near by. they can infact you soliders and ships. takeing them over. These guys will F**k you up...

They are extremly hard to defeat. They can reproduce on the battlefield and can regenerate thier hulls and soldiers from matter thats near by. they can infact you soliders and ships. takeing them over. These guys will F**k you up...

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*cough gasp wheeze hack spit*

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*ahem*

Balrogga knows what I'm talking about.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*cough gasp wheeze hack spit*

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*ahem*

Balrogga knows what I'm talking about.


Sounds alot like Ivan Ooze of of power ranger when Ivan creates his tangu warriors

((OOC: Er, maybe it's not important, but there seems to be alot of... well action going on despite the fact the OP and Religious Order are not really posting very much. I don't /care/ that much, but it seems that we might get farther along than the OP and the others might like, yes? So slow down a bit perhaps?))

That is why I only made my appearannce instead of posting my reactions. Now everyone also knows for sure there is more than one of my ships around ICly.

The Religeous Order might even thing I am helping them instead of taking a neutral stance, of a sort.

How long should we wait for missing players?

Interest might die down if we wait too long.

Well, I usually wait a week before taking over for them so that should be fine.

Well continue posting about the ground campaign, RO is in the space campaign i assume

Damn, I was hoping someone would have shot at me so I can bring in the rest of my ships...

Win some, lose some.

http://www.nationstates.net/ganoxa

thats my roleplay nation for this. But for some reason it wouldnt let me log in on this name even if i did use a differente e mail.

Damn, I was hoping someone would have shot at me so I can bring in the rest of my ships...

Win some, lose some.

Why are you waiting for someone to shoot at you, instead of just joining in?

Don't care. 250k+ for a fleetsize, PLUS 'death stars' with particular note paid towards the usage of plural, gets a big fat hell no from me and very nearly every other person on NS. And the people who wouldn't say no... lets just say they wouldn't be helping your case.

Astromech droids cost money to build. Nanites cost money to build. Replication takes energy and time, which in turn requires money to sustain. All of these supposed things you speak of to 'reduce' maintenance costs also need maintenance themselves.

Mationbuds tried to inflate his fleet size to something very nearly rivaling your fleet estimates by saying he had alliances paying for the manufacture (I asked the nations involved in the various alliances and their response was along the lines of "I'd rather shoot him in the face than give him funding."). I find myself curious as to whether you are OFFICIALLY being given any funding for your forces or if you just assume you're getting it because of your alliance.


OOC : ... You didnt ask everyone . You only asked one or two . So dont try to give me that shit . Anyways I have 2 vassals each with the size of 1 Bil Pops , thus I have a effecient total pop of 3-4 Bil which means I can upkeep 3000-4000 ships .

That's called puppet wanking Mationbuds.

Joranhor;11675596']That's called puppet wanking Mationbuds.

That is exactly correct. You can only control your own nations forces and cannot figure another nations into yours like that.

That is one of the reasons you are thought of in the light you are. Most people on NS will not participate with those that do stuff like that.

Why are you waiting for someone to shoot at you, instead of just joining in?

Justification for extreme actions....

Justification for extreme actions....

Hehehe... that sounds wicked... :cool:

OK guys!! If nobody shows up, me, Balrogga and Crazed Marines are going to blow the dark fleet to smithereens. ...We'll do that anyway, but if you want to put up a fight, you might want to post some reactions...

yeah, I'm getting a little anxious to destroy the dark fleet because it'll whittle me down to my lone survivor and so I can evac my guys and head back on home.

yeah, I'm getting a little anxious to destroy the dark fleet because it'll whittle me down to my lone survivor and so I can evac my guys and head back on home.


"Whittle you down" to your lone survivor??

Aaaaww... be a little positive...

Say after me: " I'll shove a nuke down their throat, and light the fuse..." :gundge:

and repeat after me: I have my own reasons for not being a n00b and overpwning everybody. I have already whittled down my fleet the hard way to bring in an era of expansion and new ship design.

I am waiting ICly for someone to attack me directly (shooting, ramming) or indirectly before I commit my forces.

It is an IC thing.

That is why I have placed myself in "harms way" so it cannot be helped but to fire at me, thus justifying provocation. It is all just a game to allow me to bring in the other dozen ships I have around into combat.

and repeat after me: I have my own reasons for not being a n00b and overpwning everybody. I have already whittled down my fleet the hard way to bring in an era of expansion and new ship design.

Hey take it easy... was just trying to be positive...
Besides, I'm not planning to "overpower" anyone...

it was sarcasm. anyways, glad someone's ready to help end this.

I've been waiting for a while for the IC reason to open fire, even placing myself in the field of fire for the conversion beam if it was aimed at the planet.

I've been waiting for a while for the IC reason to open fire, even placing myself in the field of fire for the conversion beam if it was aimed at the planet.

Well, maybe your waiting will come to an end soon... ;)