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The Beiraqi military is divided into three groups, the Army, the Air Wing, and the Navy. All of these are trained and kept under the watchful eye of the Griffincrest Corporation, who maintains a troop strength of 15,000 mercenaries, 150 Gnats, and 800 Mercury's. The military looks like this.

Beiraqi National Army

750,000 Infantry (Armed with AR-550's, RPG-7's, Strela-2M3J Super-Sava's, and a few 80mm mortars.)
2,000 T-62A MBT's
1,500 BMP-1's
1,250 T-72 MBT's (Yugoslavian upgrades)
1,000 M-2001 MBT's
1,000 HT-101-105 "Vanquish" Medium Tanks
625 2A-65 Towed Gun-Howitzers
500 HT-106 Heavy Tanks
500 BMP-3's
400 M94 Plamen-S 128mm self-propelled multi-launch rocket artillery system
375 2A-36 Towed Gun-Howitzers
300 SCUD launchers
250 M-87 Topaz 100mm anti-tank gun
200 BOV 30 4x4 30mm AA platform
150 T-95 Black Eagles
110 Orkan/Ababil batteries
100 M-84 Nora-C 152mm Towed Howitzers
100 GHN-45 155mm Howitzers
100 9k58 Smerch MLRS Systems
75 Pracka Improvised AA weapon
20 Brom batteries

Beiraqi Republican Guard (Elite part of the Army)

100,000 Infantry (Armed with AN-94's and AK-74's, Strela-2M3J Super-Sava's, occasional RPG-7)
300 SA-11's
500 ZSU-23's (Air defense is part of Republican Guard responsibility)

Special Republican Guard (Most Elite part of the Army)

1,000 Infantry (Armed with Yugoslavian made M21S assault rifles)

Air Wing

95 L-20's
75 Ka-50 Hokum Attack Helicopters
45 Mi-2 Hoplite Transport Helicopters
40 G4M Super Galeb's
30 SuF-5 Lion's
30 MiG-21's
25 Mi-25 Hind Attack Light Transport Helicopters
20 MiG-27's
20 Dassault Mirage's
20 Mi-24's
10 Mi-2 Hip ASW Gunships

Navy

10 Krivak Class Frigates
10 Slava Class Missile Cruisers
6 Al-Uboor Class Patrol Boats
3 Kristik Class Battleships
2 Hall Class Arsenal Ships
1 Aristaqis class Dreadnought

13% armed forces? And that's just for the infantry alone, not counting the other arms..Does that seem high to anyone else?

13% armed forces? And that's just for the infantry alone, not counting the other arms..Does that seem high to anyone else?

Thirteen percent is particularly high, even five percent is seen as very high but the maximum before your economy begins to cannibalizes itself to maintain its budget.

This is a smaller Iraqi army. They have more people then Iraq, and Iraq managed to maintain an army of 375,000.

O yea, and Claudius Griffincrest is building a house in your country. I need your men to build a nice palace, and it should be protected by some Republican Guard.

Not a problem. Construction of the Griffincrest Palace is taking place just outside of our capitol, Lebadad, along the Lioness River.

nice puppet Blackhelm Confederacy.

nice puppet Blackhelm Confederacy.

Nope, I'm a Blackhelm "associate". I picked him over the Scandinvans as who is going to protect me.

ok then sorry for the mix up i could have sworn it was blackhelm o well nice of you to help.

Beiraq is looking for a naval contract

Beiraq is looking for a naval contract


OOC:what type of ships do you need?

The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia wastes little time in dispatching negotiators to Beiraq. The SFRY is no maritime power, but has developed a domestic naval building industry to support its coastal defence needs, and political non-alignment allows export to just about anyone who isn't trying to destroy the federation.

Yugoslavia typically produces defence systems slightly behind the leading edge of world technology, but at prices significantly lower, ideal for giving smaller or poorer nations the means to at least fight back against more powerful aggressors, and discourage imperialist meddaling. It was sufficient to make the Warsaw Pact think twice about directly confronting Yugoslavia where the likes of Hungary and Czechoslovakia suffered invasion for failing to toe the Kremlin's line.

Missiles

There are some thirty coastal artillery/missile batteries in Yugoslavia, and Belgrade's diplomats offer the Brom [pic] (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yugobrom.jpg) anti-ship cruise missile for defence of Beiraqi shores. A Yugoslav development of the Soviet SS-N-2 Styx series missiles, Brom is launched from a highly mobile vehicle system and guided by autopilot with active-radar homing backed-up by an infra-red system. The missile carries a large 454kg hollow-charge warhead at just below Mach 1 out to a maximum range of 100km, and the system is less expensive than most modern equivalents.

Light surface combatants

Kotor Class Frigates [Large Patrol Ships]

Six of these frigates (officially called large patrol ships in Yugoslavia) serve in the Adriatic and the Black Sea, packing a surprisingly heavy armament into a small vessel.
Displacement: 1,850 tons full load
Dimensions: 96.7x11.7x3.55 metres/317.3x38.4x11.6 feet
Propulsion: 3 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 9,600bhp; 1 boost gas turbine, 19,000shp; 28,600shp total
Speed: 27 knots
Range: 1,800nm at 14 knots
Crew: 90+
Radar: MR-302 Rubka/Strut Curve air/surface search
Sonar: MG-322T hull mounted MF
Fire Control: PMZ-301/Pop Group SAM control
EW: intercept, decoys
Armament: 4x Brom SSM, 1x SA-N-4 SAM system (20 missiles), 2x 2M3J Super-Sava SAM positions, 1x dual 76mm DP gun, 2x 30mm/62 AK-230 gun, 2x 20mm gun, 2x3 324mm torpedo tubes, 2x RBU-6000 anti-submarine rocket launchers
Pictures: One (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yugorf33kotor.jpg), Two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/kotor4.jpg), Three (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/kotor3.jpg)

Type 240 Rade Koncar Class Missile Boats
An impressive twenty-four of these small craft defend Yugoslavia's coasts, and are difficult to spot and pin-down against a cluttered coastal environment.
Displacement: 242 tons full load
Dimensions: 45x8x1.8 metres/147.6x26x5.9 feet
Propulsion: 4 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 7,200bhp; 2 boost gas turbines, 9,000shp; 16,200 shp total
Speed: 37 knots
Crew: 30
Fire Control: 9LV200 MkII missile control, 30nm range
EW: chaff and flare dispensers
Armament: 1x Brom SSM, 1x 57mm/70 Bofors DP gun, 1x 30mm/62 AK-230 gun

Type 140 Mirna Class Small Patrol Boats
Six of these boats patrol Yugoslav waters, backing-up anti-submarine operations and tackling smuggling and terrorist operations, with self-defence and escape measures against the threat of major military opposition.
Displacement: 142.3 tons full load
Dimensions: 32x6.68x1.76m/105x22x5.7 feet
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 diesels, 6,000bhp
Speed: 30 knots
Crew: 19
Armament: 1x 40mm Bofors gun, 1x 20mm gun, 1x 2M3J Super-Sava SAM position, 8x depth charges

Other vessels

Kit (Lubin) Class Support/Logistics Ships
Three of these act as short-range assault transports and as support vessels in the littoral environment.
Displacement: 882 tons full load
Dimensions: 58.2x11x2.75 metres/191x36x9 feet
Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 3,480 bhp
Speed: 14.3 knots
Crew: 34
Troops: 150
Cargo: 6 tanks or other vehicles or supplies
Armament: 1x 40mm Bofors gun, 1x quad 20mm gun, 2x 2M3J Super-Sava SAM positions

Note on Strela 2M3J Super-Sava Surface to Air Missile: Local upgrade of SA-7 Strela-2M via 2M2J Sava, based partly on Romanian technology. New high-fragmentation warhead and a proximity fuse enhance lethality.


(OOC: I don't really deal with exact prices and all that, because, frankly, how can anyone know the mechanics of NS's global economy enough to say for sure? But, as hinted at above, it is safe to assume that Yugoslav systems are generally amongst the cheapest, as our nation is about the poorest one can be while still supporting a competent arms industry, if that makes sense. The draw-back, of course, being that you can't get a battleship, or even a large destroyer from Yugoslavia!)

This is a smaller Iraqi army. They have more people then Iraq, and Iraq managed to maintain an army of 375,000.
Yeah, and Iraq is known for the high quality of life in the country, and the extreme prowess of its armed forces.

Yeah, and Iraq is known for the high quality of life in the country, and the extreme prowess of its armed forces.

Lol, although that sarcasm was funny, Iraq was the regional power in the middle east.

Lol, although that sarcasm was funny, Iraq was the regional power in the middle east.

Which isn't saying much... ;)

Which isn't saying much... ;)
It is saying much..About their neighbours.

The Beiraqi military is interested in the Yugoslavian Brom. Tell us the price for this weapon and we will place our order for them. We also are looking for a battleship or inexpensive dreadnought, in order to project our power overseas.

(OOC:Sorry for the delay!)

Brom is being offered to Beiraq at a cost of $15million per battery inclusive of:
-Four dual-missile mobile launchers
-Sixteen missiles
Further missiles are offered at $350,000 a piece.
Yugoslavia of course advises that ample coastal or airborne early warning radar, or maritime patrol aircraft be employed to enhance Brom's potential, as the missiles are launched in the general direction of a previously identified threat and lock-on by active-radar or infra-red only in the terminal stage.

Battleships and the like are beyond Yugoslavia's means and needs, but the state does state a preparedness to co-operate with Beiraq on other military projects.

Belgrade can offer improved fire-control systems -including thermal imagers- for Beiraq's existing T-72 tanks, and is willing to assist in enhancing the nation's artillery, rocketry, and armoured vehicle capabilities. There is also an affordable light multi-role fighter in which Yugoslavia is keen to drum-up interest.

(OOC: Well, I thought, since Iraq's been mentioned, and Yugoslavia and Iraq co-operated in reality on a number of systems, it'd be worth suggesting.)

Beiraq's generals express interest in these advancements to our T-72's, and also wish to purchase 20 of your Brom systems. There is 300 million dollars awaiting your approval of business, ready to be wired to the Yugoslavian account.

We are also interested in the aircraft you mentioned. Send stats and we will consider purchases.


Finally, you mentioned joint ventures. Would you be willing to assist in Beiraq construction of a dreadnought?

OOC: Yugoslavia and Iraq? Didn't know that. What did they make together?

FMWG Securities is curious as to whether or not you would like some aide in at least designing you security systems in both the Blackhelm Palace and your building of power.

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494972)is the like to the storefront, order there if you would like the help.

Also if you are associated with Blackhelm you may want to consider joining the LIN, I think there is a link in my sig.

Yugoslavia and Iraq co-operated in development of a 262mm mutli-launch rocket artillery system. In Yugoslavia it became M-87 Orkan, and in Iraq it was Ababil-50.

Co-operation went further than that once both nations came under attack by neo-colonialist forces. Yugoslavia took Iraqi MiGs for servicing, and repaired air defences in exchange for oil and funds.

M87-Orkan/Ababil-50

Orkan/Ababil (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/orkan6.jpg) is a 12-tube system with a 50km range, four launch-trucks per battery, with four reload trucks, a weather vehicle, FIST (fire-support team) vehicle, and sometimes another surveillance vehicle. Yugoslavia would be willing to help Beiraq to produce it's own version of Ababil-50, as Belgrade is keen to aquire funds to help in developing new rocket motors and warheads to extend range and lethality.

Brom

Pleased to have made a significant deal, the Socialist Federal Republic wastes little time in shipping-out the first battery and missiles, keen to put revenues to good use in an economy that had been struggling since the 1990s.

T-72

Yugoslavia produces the M-84 battle tank, which is a local derivative of the more famous Soviet T-72, using Yugoslavian sub-systems, especially in fire-control. Based on experience with the M-84 and with T-72s absorbed when the People's Republic of Bulgaria finally joined the south Slavic federation, Belgrade's state arsenals offer a major over-haul for all 250 of Beiraq's known T-72s.

The initial offer suggests a $100million contract to provide the tanks with:

-A Yugoslavian diesel powerpack, generating 1,000hp instead of the T-72's 840hp, improving speed and power-to-weight ratio

-ERA (explosive reactive armour) to protect against HEAT munitions

-TFCS3-72C fire-control enabling T-72 to fire while moving in total darkness with a high first-shot-hit probability

-Laser Warning Receivers to alert the crew when their vehicle is being illuminated by enemy target-designation equipment

-Modern day/night driver's periscope with eye-protection against laser threats

Yugoslavia also suggests that, if Beiraq ever decides to enlarge its tank force, new-build M-84 derivatives would have all of these systems plus better armour against kinetic-energy weapons.

L-20 Light Multi-Role Fighter

Known as Novi-Avion and Yu-Supersonik during development, this aircraft replaced several MiG-21 versions in Yugoslav service. Developed by the Military Technology Institute (VTI), it has been called Yugoslavia's Mini-Rafale.

A promotional image (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/nv-1.jpg) is provided to arouse Beiraqi interest, and further data is available here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11419245&postcount=2).

If a reasonably large order is obtained, it may be possible to provide L-20 for around $20million each. NL-20 two-seat conversion trainer and I-20 reconnaissance fighter are also available.

The nation of Beiraq is always looking to increase the power of its military. To start, we wish to buy 10 of these Orkan batteries. From there, we will increase our deal, and wish to cooperate on making a new rocket system.

Beiraqi generals also see the improvement on their T-72 force as being beneficial, and the Beiraqi government has granted the Yugoslavian government the 100 million dollars nessecary for improvement, and has expressed that it wished to purchase a large number of M-84 tanks, and wishes to know the price per vehicle.

Concerning the L-20 fighter, Beiraqi generals have requested a shipment of 25 planes, and have acquisitioned 450 million dollars for these weapons.

Beiraqi military leaders are very pleased with the Yugoslavian weapons, and have repeatedly told the President to continue trade an cooperation with the Yugoslavian forces.

I'm putting 4 patriot missile batteries in around my palace. Never can trust when a shadowman's missiles are going to rain down.

Yugoslavian media sources make a fairly big fuss at home about increased trade with Beiraq, not making clear at the moment that 100% of said trade has been in military affairs.

Orkan systems begin to ship out with remaining Broms, and delivery of L-20 fighters begins as well.

President Aidarov has stepped in to suggest that older baseline M-84 tanks used by the JNA and due for extensive upgrade be loaned to Beiraq while the nation's T-72s are shipped to Yugoslavia and overhauled. These basic models are heavily used and do not include all of the features of new tanks that would be sold to Beiraq, but could be used to familiarise crews with the differences between Russian fire control et cetera and superior Yugoslav systems, and should demonstrate the ability of the M-84 to operate in desert conditions. Makers claim that it is actually faster than the M1 Abrams on sand. The used M-84s would be returned when Beiraq's T-72s are shipped back from the Balkans.

Marshal Lav also invites Beiraq to engage with Yugoslavia in a deal exchanging training and maintenance for oil. Beirqi pilots would be accepted into Yugoslav flight schools, and Belgrade continue to maintain and repair Beiraq's Yugoslav and Russian-origin weapons for as long as oil was supplied to the Yugoslavian economy. The SFRY may also provide experienced officers to fly with Beiraqi air force squadrons and lecture at the nation's own training facilities.

OOC: This is dragging on a bit, so I'll make a fresh post about the tanks and possible shared rocket development in a bit.

Mind if I point you in the direction of Imperial Praetonian Shipyards (with their Terror class Monitors (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10447068&postcount=7)[I have 50]) and CSJMI Naval Storefront (Hiragi calss (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9719161&postcount=434) [I have 5, purchasing 95 more along with 200 Sniper DDs])

The reason why I suggest these storefronts over my own are simple, I don't sell boats, and their stuff is perfect (or at least mostly perfect) and are all bargains in any war.

Your poweful economy, heavy taxes, and high defense spending should cover the costs.

As for tanks, we only offer the HT-101 series of vehicles.

Not much use in open country, but with adaquate preperation can go anywhere and take as much punishment as a tank ten times its size.

Its only drawback is the gun which is limited by the small (72 inches/1.5 meters) turret ring size. An advanced model with a 122 mm and 152 mm autoloading guns in an oscillating turret are being developed (currently we only offer the 105 mm in a manual turret).
Most likely will lok something like this (http://www.achtungpanzer.bos.ru/images/amx50.jpg)

Wieghs anything between 7 and 30 tons depending on how much armor you bolt on...

Cost of the new HT-106 would be $1.75 million

Regarding the M-84, Belgrade can offer three main derivatives with differing capabilities. Images and descriptions provided.

The M-84AB (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/M-84AB.jpg) was sold to Kuwait (and usedby the Fatah Armoured Brigade in Desert Storm). It resembles T-72 in layout and is visually quite similar, but, as with the upgrades being carried-out in Beiraqi T-72s, has a more powerful 1,000hp engine, computerised fire-control system, some fire-on-the-move capability, and basic night-vision equipment. The main difference between an original M-84 and an upgraded T-72 is slightly superior composite and higher quality steel armour for a value above 600mm. This is still not a match for the heavier armour of many western tanks, but at less than 45 tonnes the M-84 is a lighter machine by perhaps fifteen tonnes, so it is hardly surprising.

M-95 Degman (http://www.ddsv.hr/pictures/Degman_03_v.jpg) adds advanced Explosive Reactive Armour to enhance protection against HEAT weapons, reliable Slovenian fire control, laser range-finder, and possibly the best thermal imaging system available anywhere, enabling effective night firing. M-95 has laser warning receivers, and launches smoke grenades to disrupt laser designation threats. Other enhancements include improved turret drives and transmission, and optional rubber track pads.

M-2001 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/novitenk1.jpg) is another upgraded M-84 similar to Russia's T-90 in many ways. Like Degman it has the best Yugoslav fire-control and night-vision, many new systems such as in gun stabilisation and turret traverse. It is said to have an 80% chance of a first-round hit when on the move, and move it can, for the tank has an improved 1,200hp engine: 360 more than the standard T-72! The M-2001 was developed with Russian help (part of Moscow's debt repayments to Belgrade) and so features Kontakt-5 ERA, Shtora defensive system, and the ability to launch AT-11 Sniper Refleks anti-tank missiles from its main gun.

All three tanks can fire depleted-uranium penetrators. Advanced land-navigation systems are optional in replacement of older measures.

M-84AB is offered at $1.5million, M-95 at $2.5million, and M-2001 at $2.7million per unit.

Yugoslavian arsenals are working on a proposal for a rocket artillery system that they are calling Yuraq, with which they will approach the Beiraqi military in the future. (OOC: In other words, I don't want to bore you stupid by continuing to talk shop for another post right now!)

Beiraqi generals have written their wishes to purchase 200 of the M-2001 tanks. The 540 million dollars necessary for these weapons has been prepared to be wired to the Yugoslavian bank account. This is quite a large sum of money, the largest yet for Beiraq to trade to an outside source, and is recieving significant attention throughout the Beiraqi government. Also, Beiraqi commanders seem very interested in the Yuraq, and hope it will be developed quickly, and Beiraqi engineers are on standby to be sent to aide with development.

The air force commanders have also sent letters to the Beiraqi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, concerning the price in oil per pilot, seeing that this could bring about valuable training experiences for Beiraqi pilots.

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Noting the Yugoslavian involvement in Beiraqi munitions procurement, the RMSMC has been authorized by the Politburo to offer the now-surplus 2A36 and 2A65 152mm artillery (towed gun) pieces to the Beiraqi military.

These weapons are essentially identical to their Soviet counterparts although produced with higher quality control standards and improved materials at RMSMC production plants. They were deemed surplus during a recent Russkyan Military reorganization and remain in superb condition.

RMSMC is authorized to offer 375 2A36 and 625 2A65 guns for the minimal sum of 150 million universal standard dollars.

Lol, although that sarcasm was funny, Iraq was the regional power in the middle east.


No....Israel is. Iraq was weak. They were strong back when we supported them, in the 70s and 80s, for an Arab nation. But when Saddam screwed us over and invaded Kuwait (thats right! Saddam was an Ally of the US), he lost his power because we dessimated his military.


Not that it already wasn't devestated after 8 years in the trenches of Al-Basra....

Mind if I try selling some HT-106 heavy tanks?

Cost for a fully rigged 80 ton battlewagon /w/ 152 mm long barreled AT autocannon and a pair of 35 mm (or smaller) is about $12 million each.

Rate of fire for the main gun is 30 rounds per minute, try getting that claim on any other tank. (http://www.achtungpanzer.bos.ru/images/amx50.jpg)

Mind if I try selling some HT-106 heavy tanks?

Cost for a fully rigged 80 ton battlewagon /w/ 152 mm long barreled AT autocannon and a pair of 35 mm (or smaller) is about $12 million each.

Rate of fire for the main gun is 30 rounds per minute, try getting that claim on any other tank. (http://www.achtungpanzer.bos.ru/images/amx50.jpg)

PROHTs tanks would be a good addition to your army. My Behemoths and K-1s would crack open your T-72s like an egg against concrete.

Ruskya, your money has been wired to an account, and we eagerly await the arrival of these artillery pieces.

PROHT, we are interested in purchasing 200 of these battle tanks, and we have wired 2.4 billion to your account as well.

Yugoslavia...where are you

RMSMC Notification of Delivery:
Recipient: Beiraq.

Manifest:
- Three Hundred Seventy-Five (375) 2A36 Artillery, Towed Gun-Howitzer.
- Six Hundred Twenty-Five (625) 2A65 Artillery, Towed Gun-Howitzer.

Notes:
- Fifty (50) rounds per gun 152mm High-Explosive/Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) included.

OOC: In short, you've got your guns.

My storefront offers cheap crap that is particulary effective, it is cheap enough that you could easily update your main infantry to AK-104s or 108s or any 10X series AK.

As a show of goodwill for every 10 AK-10X series guns you buy I will supply for free an 82mm Mortar and buy the remaining 80mm Mortars in your supplies. You'll still be able to use 80mm bombs just with decreased accuracy, but anyone with 81mm or 80mm mortars won't be able to use yours! Ingenious!

Click Weapons Importers and see where the Griffencrest Corporation got those guns.

Russkya, do you have anything else to offer? Beiraqi generals were very pleased with your delivery, as it is the largest amount of weaponry we have recieved, and are eager for more contracts.

Leafanistan, can I get a link, I can't see sigs, don't know why.

Weapons deals anyone?

The SFRY continued transfer of its arms to Beiraq along with words of encouragement and solidarty in reference to the recent armed conflict, the JNA offering to send more advisors to work with defenders, though apparently unwilling to actually commit to war.

It is suggested that some Beiraqi students and experts acquire temporary visas to Yugoslavia and take part in study and research towards things such as new rocketry and other military goals.

(Sorry, that's rushed, I just had to say something, hey?)

Ruskya, your money has been wired to an account, and we eagerly await the arrival of these artillery pieces.

PROHT, we are interested in purchasing 200 of these battle tanks, and we have wired 2.4 billion to your account as well.

Yugoslavia...where are you

Thank you!
You have my permission to use them in the Beiraqi war against Wanderjar for technical reasons.

Russkya, do you have anything else to offer? Beiraqi generals were very pleased with your delivery, as it is the largest amount of weaponry we have recieved, and are eager for more contracts.

Leafanistan, can I get a link, I can't see sigs, don't know why.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442197

Current I'm reorganizing to Universal Exports [Black Market Storefront], hopefully I'll be stocking T-34s, T-55s, T-62s, M60A2s, AMX-30s, and possibly Leopard 1s, along with Chinese knockoffs.

If Iran would talk more I could get a few of their guns on the scene. God knows Hezbollah is going to be rolling in a Mechanized Battalion sooner or later if this conflict keeps going on for years and years.

Also I'll be welding bars for infantry to hold onto the sides of all tanks that do not include it. It is a hazard but it is terribly convienent for infantry.

(OOC: Yugo, did my tanks come?)

OOC: Unless there's any reason for them to have been stopped, yes. What was it, 200x M2001 tanks? Yes, very good.

Belgrade, worried about its thus-far productive relationship with the current Beiraqi government, remains deeply concerned about the invasion in progress, and states that the Socialist Federal Republic will provide repairs for systems sold to Beiraq at no further cost for the duration of the war on Beiraqi soil. Yugoslavian personnel are prepared to repair damaged tanks, aircraft, and missile launchers and will receive their pay from the Yugoslav state. In addition, replacement rockets, Brom missiles, and tank and aircraft munitions are offered on credit. That is to say, if Beiraq's wartime economy becomes stretched, Yugoslavia will allow the state to receive ammunition now and pay for it once the invasion is repulsed.

(Provided that's not an intrusion on the closed thread. I don't actually want to send forces in to fight or anything.)

Beiraq is very happy with these deals it is striking with Yugoslavia, and wishes to know what other pieces of artillery, as well as AA Belgrade has to offer. These will be the most effective pieces during this war.

Yugoslavia does indeed have more to offer in terms of artillery and air defence, with some limitations owing to the relatively small size of our nation and its economy.

Artillery, first:

The M-87 Topaz is a 100mm towed anti-tank gun. It is not one of the most powerful weapons in the world, and will not be a major threat to the ridiculous super-heavy tanks used by some of Beiraq's enemies, but is still a danger to lighter armour. The M-87 results from combining two Soviet weapons: the T-12 100mm anti-tank gun and the D30J 122mm howitzer. As a result, when compared with the original Soviet 100mm anti-tank gun, the Yugoslavian weapon is more mobile when being towed, able to negotiate more difficult terrain more quickly. It is also possible to emplace the gun more quickly to set up a defence or ambush, and target tracking is faster, enabling the gun to follow a moving target for a second shot in the event of a first-shot miss, or to move on to a new target after destroying the first- the M-87 is generally more mobile and flexible than the better-known original. More importantly, the M-87 has Yugoslav opto-electronic day/night fire control and a laser range finder, making it much more likely that the first shot will result in a hit, even in poor visibility conditions. The gun can traverse through 360 degrees in action, covering all quarters. It weighs 3,650kg in total. Firing sub-calibre armour-piercing ammunition, the M-87 has a range of 1,880 metres against a 2 metre-tall target, or 2,230 metres against a 3 metre tall target. Firing a high-explosive-anti-tank-tracer round the range is up to 1,200 metres. Firing a high-explosive projectile as a field-gun (indirect fire) the range is some 8,200 metres. At maximum rate of fire, M-87 can fire fourteen rounds per minute in a burst, or sustain eight rounds per minute. Belgrade recommends M-87 as a fairly cheap and mobile anti-vehicle and light artillery piece to be used in conjunction with a heavier anti-tank gun of larger calibre, which Yugoslavia can not currently supply. Belgrade is also willing to supply depleted uranium penetrator rounds, but does not wish this to become common knowledge.

The M-84 Nora-C (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/nora2.jpg) is a 152mm towed howitzer, pictured in use with the JNA. Typical rate of fire is up to six round per minute, and range is to some twenty-eight kilometres with standard high-explosive ammunition. Rocket-assisted projectiles can pass forty kilometres, and other ammunition types include smoke, incendiary, and concrete-piercing. Chemical and tactical-nuclear munitions can also be launched, but at this time Belgrade has not made an issue of this capability.

The M94 Plamen-S (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/plamen5.jpg) (Flame) is a 128mm self-propelled multi-launch rocket artillery system. Mounted on a Steyr-Daimler 6x6 truck, the system is very mobile, enabling it to quickly emplace itself, give fire, and escape counter-battery fire. It is quite different to the large Orkan system earlier sold to Beiraq, being a short-range system meant to give saturation fire rather than deploying heavy warheads to a long range. Range of the 128mm rockets is just 12.8km, and their 7.5kg warheads contain just 2.3kg of explosive material. The system's menace becomes more apparent when it is explained that 32 missiles are ready to launch at a rate of up to five per second, not very much slower than some older machineguns! An automatic loader on the vehicle contains a second bank of 32 missiles, enabling rapid reload so that some 64 rockets can be launched in a matter of moments from a single small truck, which may then leave the area hardly minutes after having arrived.

In air defence:

Strela-2M3J Super-Sava is a shoulder-launched surface-to-air missile based originally on the old Strela-2M from the USSR. Though cheap, this missile was vulnerable to countermeasures and limited in its ability to attack fast aircraft from all angles. Copied in Yugoslavia for some time, an upgrade was eventually produced, and is now offered to Beiraq. Compared with the SA-7 this has a new high-fragmentation warhead and a proximity fuse to enhance lethality, and it is pushed by a more powerful rocket motor enabling it to react to a wider range of threats and perform better against them. Identification friend-or-foe systems are included. The weapon is no improvement over, say, Stinger, but is offered none the less, as Yugoslavia has had great success with mass production of the system, making low-level flight over the nation dangerous for any enemy.

The BOV (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/bov3-2.jpg) 4x4 armoured vehicle has been used as an anti-aircraft gun platform for some years. Pictured is the BOV-3, which mounts three 20mm guns, but it is BOV-30, mounting two 30mm cannon, that is being offered to Beiraq. It is mainly a clear-weather system with optical fire control, limiting its value in some respects, but the lack of radar also makes it difficult to detect or to defeat with countermeasures, as well as making it cheap and easier to maintain and operate in the field. Infra-red equipment has been added to allow some night-time operation and improved tracking and detection. The vehicle has a top road speed of above 93km/h and a range of 500km. The crew is four men, weight is 9,400kg, and the vehicle has light armour of some 8mm to give basic protection against small-arms and shell-fragments, though it is of little to no value against dedicated anti-armour weaponry. However, BOV-30's twin-30mm cannon are equally devastating against ground targets, a danger to light armoured vehicles and a nightmare for infantry and unarmoured targets, and to lightly built-up areas such as the villages that have harboured Albanian terrorists against the JNA.

Finally, Pracka (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/pragaprackar73.jpg) (Slingshot) is an improvisational system. Pictured is an example, placing infra-red guided short-range air-to-air missiles on an up-armoured Praga truck. Yugoslav engineers can help to improvise modifications in Beiraq using locally available systems. This is generally a last-ditch resort should the Beiraqis feel that they are losing the war, or that their resources are stretched. The short-range missiles are not ideal for SAM use, but Yugoslavian engineers fit them with boosted components from 128mm rockets, giving them speed and altitude before their own motors take over. The method is mostly useful if Beiraq is losing the air war, and can no longer fly its fighter planes safely, as their armament can still be put to use: Komarac missiles from the L-20 fighters provided by Yugoslavia would be ideal, and would have easily two or three times the reach of Stinger-type surface-to-air missiles. However, this is by no means the first choice of any reasonably capable nation, and other sources may be the first port of call for medium/long range SAMs.

Beiraqi generals, confident in their victory in the war at hand, are very impressed with all of the systems presented. They have set up the following list of weaponry, and the government awaits the bill. Beiraq has, after the last delivery of Russkyan artillery pieces, began a massive military buildup, especially with this war coming closer to Lebadad. Also, your nation seemed more willing to sell the M-87, as much more information was provided on this piece then the others. Is there a reason for this?

Weapons Order
- 250 M-87's, (DU rounds recommended)
- 100 M-84's
- 400 M94's
- 100 Orkan/Ababil batteries
- 10,000 Strela-2M3J Super-Sava's
- 200 BOV-30's
- 75 Pracka's (Leabad last resort defense)

As you can see, Beiraq is massivly increasing its military, and these new artillery pieces will allow us to pummel Wanderjarian forces from a distance, keeping away from the devastating guns on their tanks.

OOC: Do you have a pic of the Topaz, I couldn't find one online.

I'd have expected you to use those HT-106s by now...

A high velocity 122 or 152 mm autoloader mounted in an oscillating turret.

These would have stood a much better chance against Wanderjar's tanks, and are equally numerous as your BMP-1s.

They might do significant damage to the K-1, but it is doubtful that they could take a hit from the Behomoth.

Due to a GASN sanctioned embargo, I am not permited to offer any further supplies or services... officially.... Until told otherwise.
(I'll see if the embargo is valid in the meantime)

Checked, embargo not valid.
Resuming business arrangements.

Although I may not become popular by supplying our "fearful and misguided enemies" with superior weapons to be used against my allies.

(Corprate Alliance apparently declared war against us, a war which I do not recognize, yet)

I'll just slap on a "hostilities tariff", upping the price by 25% for warring with allies.

Karat would like to offer you a new altak class battle ship, Unfortunately you must train your own people to man it and sadly you must have space facilities we can provide you with the training facilities and reserve you a spot for yours in karats orbital shipyard. ofcorse that is if you think your people are ready for such a ship. The choice is yours.

To the PROHT govermemnt. Beiraq is happy with the new, modern pieces of weaponry, and are keeping them to use after the enemy forces can break off the beach. As you can see from the order made to Yugoslavia, we are undergoing a large military build up, and these modern tanks would be a welcome addition to our military. We wish to purchase an additional 300 tanks. The money, along with the embargo taxes, has been put together, and the $4,500,000,000 is awaiting your approval.

To the PROHT govermemnt. Beiraq is happy with the new, modern pieces of weaponry, and are keeping them to use after the enemy forces can break off the beach. As you can see from the order made to Yugoslavia, we are undergoing a large military build up, and these modern tanks would be a welcome addition to our military. We wish to purchase an additional 300 tanks. The money, along with the embargo taxes, has been put together, and the $4,500,000,000 is awaiting your approval.

Approved, but sadly, these tanks shall not arrive until after your war against the Wanderjarians ends, shipping will be from 3 large container ships sent all at once.

ETA: 3 months RPed time after approval

Well, well. Isn't my little Beiraq growing up fast? Look at that massive military overhaul. Way to go buddy, step up that military game.

uh, yea thanks..Has anybody seen Wanderjar?

..Yugo, should I assume I now have those weapons?

OOC: Can I see an updated list?

Also, enjoy my Gnats, you may want to upgrade to the Earwig, which is much more capable than the Gnat. Sure it isn't as cheap, but it is much more effective.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11253293&postcount=4

Also, are you interested in the Su-15 Interceptor, it was the plane that shot down those Korean Airliners.

- Yugo, I'll just say I have the weapons

- Leafanistan, I dont use Gnats, the Griffincrest soldiers in my country do. My airforce is more advanced than his, but alot smaller.

- Yugo, I'll just say I have the weapons

- Leafanistan, I dont use Gnats, the Griffincrest soldiers in my country do. My airforce is more advanced than his, but alot smaller.

OOC: Well, in your situation it is probably best to buy plenty of aircraft for a low price then buy a few good aircraft for a high price.

And you need a lot more helicopters, I see the Mi-2 Hoplite, you are in serious need of air cavalry.

If you send me all your 80mm Mortars, I will replace them all with 82mm Mortars. The advantage is that you can fire your old 80mm rounds, and enemy 81mm rounds with a slight loss in accuracy, but the enemy cannot fire yours as they are too big for their 80mm and 81mm Mortars.

Also, it is high time to upgrade all your infantry weapons, I'm the perfect guy for it.

Air craft are very expensive to maintain. This is the reason for the lacking in that department. Also, we do not plan on needing to use helicopters in the near future, as our wars will likely involve heavy tank battles.

Air craft are very expensive to maintain. This is the reason for the lacking in that department. Also, we do not plan on needing to use helicopters in the near future, as our wars will likely involve heavy tank battles.

I see, how are you in Anti-Tank weaponry.

I know the standard Soviet Loadout was 2 RPG-7 teams with an RPG-29 guy. The RPG-7 men will handle light armour threats and weaken or distract the heavy armour while the RPG-29 moves in for the final blow.

I can offer the Javelin anti-tank missile and the RPG-7 for an even more powerful blow. And the thermobaric rounds for the RPG-7 play havoc with light armoured vehicles.

Also the Gnat is a very low maintainence jet, with no parts requiring specialized machine tools to make. Our version comes with a little rail for air to air missile. That is why the Griffencrest Corporation has adopted it as their main strike fighter, low maintainence, cheap and effective. As for heavy armour battles, I'll try to secure some Type 80 tanks from old Leafanistani Stocks.

We already use the RPG-7. The Type 80, however, would be welcome.

We already use the RPG-7. The Type 80, however, would be welcome.

I've put the Type 80 into stock along with the HT-101 'Vanquish' and all its variants, I suggest the HT-101-122R for artillery bombardment.

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I've put the Type 80 into stock along with the HT-101 'Vanquish' and all its variants, I suggest the HT-101-122R for artillery bombardment.

Oh no! He gave his version of my IFV a nickname!
Whatever shall I do to prevent lost sales?

Giving the HT-101 a name is pretty neat, though I hoped that the term HT-101 wold be as ubiquies as the M-1919A4, rather than the MG-42 "Spandau"...

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Still looking to make weapons deals...

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Yay!!:)

In response to this post "We will, eventually, throw off the shackles that are Griffincrest, but for now, we let them stay as a protective force. We still need to build our air force, and we turn to you to do so. Also, we assume you use the regular AK-47 in your army, but we are still interested in infantry weapon systems from your nation. What might you be able to offer us in these two fields."

(If this post is too long -sorry, I do love Yugoslav military trivia!- give me a shout and I'll make a shorter one offering what I think is best. I just want to give you all the options, first!)

Ah, in truth Yugoslavia is a leader in development of the AK format!

1) Initially, the AK-47 fired a solid bullet that was prone to flying straight through a victim and leaving a small, clean wound that would not always stop him in the heat of battle and would not take long to heal, allowing him back into action quickly and cheaply. Yugoslavia did indeed acquire the AK-47 from the USSR, but quickly identified this short-coming in the ammunition. As a result, Yugoslav technicians developed a new bullet with an air pocket inside it. On impact this caused deformation in some cases and ballistic instability in all, so that the bullet either deformed or yawed as it passed through a target. In layman's terms it left a bigger hole, especially a bigger exit wound, making the conventional AK more likely to stop the man it hit and also forcing the enemy to spend more resources healing its wounded men, who would also take longer in recovery before being able to return to the fight. The Yugoslavian AK-47 was known as the M-64, with a folding-stock version called M-64B.

2) The AKM was also exported to the SFRY once it came along, and, again, Yugoslavia improved upon it. The difference between AK-47 and AKM is that the former uses a heavy, expensive machined (or milled) receiver, while the latter uses a cheap, light-weight stamped (or pressed) receiver. In the USSR, the AKM's receiver was 1mm thick. This is what created the AK's infamously poor accuracy, as the lightweight receiver was subject to great vibration during operation, especially in full-automatic fire, and this vibration sent rounds far off course. Yugoslavia's AKM equivalent uses 1.6mm pressings, reducing vibration and increasing accuracy over the usual AKM, while only costing a tiny fraction more to produce. This weapon, long standard in Yugoslavia, is the M-70B1 with a folding-butt version called M-70AB2. Frankly, this is best for any nation using 7.62x39mm (standard AK-47/AKM) ammunition and wishing for a very cheap rifle that is better than AKM.

3) Yugoslavia is neutral, refusing to pick between communist and capitalist, and so uses some western ammunition as well as Soviet. In light of this, Crvena Zastava developed an AK-spin-off in 5.56x45mm NATO calibre. Essentially, this is equivalent to the AK-74 but using western ammunition. Under Marshal Lav, the JNA has adopted this rifle as standard, and it is rated as equivalent to the M16 except that it is slightly cheaper and has the famous Kalashnikov reliability. Not revolutionary, but modern and consistent.

All Yugoslav AK-derivatives have an extra change: they have a muzzle that allows the launch of spigot-type rifle-grenades, which in some cases can replace light infantry mortars without the need to carry an extra weapon.

4) Finally, the M21S is the rifle now used by Yugoslavia's elite troops. It is produced in 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition, but could be made in 5.45x39mm Russian (same as AK-74) if desired. It too is based upon the tried and tested Kalashnikov mechanism, and has AK-like reliability, but it also boasts almost sniper-grade accuracy and a rail that enables the mounting of most common scopes. It has a flash-hider that also stabilises the weapon during automatic fire, and has an under-barrel 40mm grenade launcher with a 400m range instead of the muzzle-grenade option. It has a folding-butt, but could be built with a fixed butt if desired.

Aircraft!

Yugoslavia actually has a long aviation history. In the second world war, a tiny Yugoslav air force tried to confront the Luftwaffe with domestic aircraft and scored many kills, far beyond proprtion to its tiny size, before finally being silenced by the advance of German forces on land over-running their air-bases. Today, Yugoslavia is virtually self-reliant in aircraft production.

The Lasta-95 or Lasta-3 basic trainer is a prop-driven aircraft that teaches the basic mechanics of flight. It teaches instrument use, night-flying, gunnery, bombing, rocketry, and aerial manoeuvres before pilots move-on to jet trainers, and it can be used as a counter-insurgency aircraft, using machineguns and unguided bombs and rockets against lightly-armed enemies on the ground.

The G-4M Super Galeb is equivalent to the British Hawk jet. It is a small, agile fighter capable of high-subsonic speeds. In standard form the G-4 has no radar, and is used for advanced pilot training and can be used for limited combat operations with cannon, rockets, and bombs. In a slightly more expensive radar-equipped form G4M is more effective and can use Grom-2 TV-guided air-to-ground missiles, or Grom-2 anti-radiation missiles (for attacking enemy radar sites), LBV-250 laser-guided bombs, and short-range air-to-air missiles for self-defence. It is thought that the LBV-250 bomb was developed from unexploded NATO bombs that fell on Yugoslavia in 1999.

In this page (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11419245&postcount=2) one can see full descriptions of the new Orao-3 attack jet and L-20 fighter jet. The L-20 is Yugoslavia's current short-range defence fighter, and the G-22C its short-range attack jet and tank-buster.
If more information is required on any aircraft, it can be provided, as can some images.

Hmm...I'd be interested in helping you along in some fasion, but since since your with BC (although officialy I have no beef or dealings with Blackhelm..yet) in addition to the war a few of my allies are in and what I've heard about the war (never took time to read the rp) also the fact that many members of GDI are fighting against the CA..ekhh.. I'm gonna have to keep an eye on you.

Ahh, done with Griffencrest Corporation.

That means there is no reason for me not to continue trading with you.

If you so choose.

Throw me off, eh? I'd like to see that. You have been a good ally, why would you go and betray me. Well, for now at least you are still my associate.

We would like to purchase seventy more L-20's, to add to the thirty already have, and forty G-4M Super Galeb's, giving Beiraq a solid airforce, built around Yugoslavian planes.

For our infantry, we would like to pick up one thousand M21S rifles, for use with the Special Republican Guard, the most elite of our Republican Guard forces. We also would like to purchase a massive order or eight hundred more M-2001 tanks. Beiraqi generals hope that Yugoslavian factories can produce the large amount of weaponry, while economic advisors fear the cost.

Which isn't saying much... ;)
OOC: Counting western-backed Isreal and western supplied Iran, yeah. Back then it was saying a little bit.

Government estimates place the value of the latest Beiraqi military order at possibly US$2.217 billion.

Pleased that Beiraqi business alone is sustaining his largest industry, Marshal Lav has forwarded a proposal in which 70 L-20 tactical fighters, 40 attackers*, 800 M-2001 battle tanks, and 1,000 M21S assault rifles would be provided to Beiraq in exchange for currency and raw materials to the value of US$2.2bln.

If the arrangement is accepted, oil and minerals et cetera could be provided for up to half of the total value of the deal, which has been reduced by $17million in light of the importance of Beiraqi business in the Yugoslav economy.

Yugoslav special forces practice with the M21S rifle (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/m21s.jpg).

OOC: *Sorry, I think that I made a typo, earlier, and got things a bit muddled. It was late! I haven't updated my military page, and there's two jets that have become confused. The G4M Super Galeb (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/g4m.jpg) is a Hawk-like advanced trainer and light attacker, the J-22C Orao 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/sokoj222.jpg) is a more Jaguar-like dedicated attacker. At the moment the value of each is about the same, due to their stage of production in Yugoslavia, but we should just clarify which you're after. The mix-up is my fault, I'm afraid!

OOC: I'll still take the Galeb's

IC:

Beiraqi generals were ecstatic with all of these weapons shipments comin gin from Yugoslavia, and wasted no time in shipping over the money to Belgrade.

General Achmed Al-Beiraqi, General of the National Army, has sent a letter to Yugoslavia, describing its wishes to cooperate on creating a new missile system, and possibly a new type of tank. All of Beiraq is eagerly awaiting the response.

Belgrade greets Beiraqi approaches warmly, having recently estimated that arms deals alone with that one nation represented a full 2% of all federal economic activity last year!

Federal Secretary for National Defence Kastus Vorobei dispatched a positive reply to General Achmed Al-Beiraq with interest in what manner of missile system the nation sought to create, and what direction it wished to take its tanks.

Yugoslavia's rugged terrain means that battle-tank investment is now slowing down, Belgrade happy with the M-2001 and the M-95 Degman (tanks have only so much value in the Balkans), but the nation is always interested in helping to advance Beiraqi tanks and produce potential export technologies in the process.

The National Army is going to be in need of a tank that is capable of high speeds over a desert terrain, on par with the M1A2 Abrams tank of the US. It will likely be coming into a war in which the enemy will have greater numbers of armour, so strong hit and run strikes will be incredibly useful, but the tank must also be able to hold its own in a pitched battle.

As for the missile system, we are looking for both long range cruise missiles We created the Scud-E, which hit the south east most part of TWSP (Germany), but was intended to go further. We also seek to produce an MLRS which would be able to out do the BM21.

MLRS

Yugoslavia very much believes that the M-94 Plamen-S (Flame) MLRS is superior to anything of Soviet origin.

It is a 128mm 32-tube system with a 12.8km range mounted on a 6x6 truck. An automatic charger carries another 32 rockets for quick automatic reload.

All 32 missiles can be fired in just five seconds. 6.4 missiles per second.

The system is mostly concerned with arriving on scene, emplacing, launching its rockets, and displacing and moving away quickly. Range is not long, but speed is impressive. This is a lesson learned during the 1999 NATO Agression on Yugoslavia, when weapons had to fire and escape quickly lest the west bomb the weapon in question. In short, the system can arrive, aim, loose 32 rockets at a target more than 12km distant, reload, loose 32 more rockets, pack-up, and move away, in the space of a couple of minutes.

It does not have the range of some larger MLRS systems, but what does that matter when it is so mobile? It can approach a target, attack it, and escape within moments, making the need for expensive long-range rockets obsolete.

Tanks

Belgrade believes that the latest of its tanks are as fast as Abrams, maybe faster. They have slightly smaller engines, but weigh less. Used by both Kuwait and Beiraq, M-84 and later-model tanks are known to operate perfectly well in both the rainy, cold mountains of the Balkans and the dry, dusty heat of the desert.

Yugoslavia can provide the best night vision thermal-imagine equipment in the world for its tanks, such as those in Beiraqi service, along with gun-stabilisers and laser range-finders. The only thing lacking in current Yugoslav tanks is sheer weight of armour. This is because Shotra-type countermeasures are used instead.

M-95 and M-2001 tanks will remain available to Beiraq, but there will only be a problem if Beiraq wishes to add more heavy armour to its tanks. Yugoslavia's engines are powerful enough to push a 45t. tank quickly, but, sadly, a 60t. tank would require an engine that is beyong Yugoslav technology.

Missiles

It is believed that Yugoslavia lags behind in this field. Almost all of the SFRY's weapons are tactical and short-range defensive designs.

Yugoslavia can lend experience and scientists on developing conventional, chemical, biological, and nuclear warheads for missiles (as yet we have no nuclear weapons, but much research in that field), but has almost no experience in building long-range missiles. In truth, we are more likely to try buying such technology from Beiraq!

We already purchased a large number of said Plamen MLRS's. We would like to co-develop a missile system that I recall you mentioned earlier, known as the Yuraq.

Army-General Milan Pupin has been dispatched to Lebadad to assist in discussions with the Beiraqi military (and stand ready to lead any Yugoslav operations that may eventually be necessary in the on-going Persian Gulf conflict).

Pupin has to ask for what purpose -what role- the Beiraqis require new rocket systems.


Plamen-S is an MLRS that fills a tactical role on the battlefield, engaging enemy forces from relatively close range (around 12km range).

Ababil/Orkan is an MLRS can be used either to destroy military targets or to bombard areas including cities, and can carry chemical warheads (around 50km range).

Brom is the closest thing that Yugoslavia produces to a cruise missile, but it is not really suited to anything but anti-ship warfare (100km range).

Yugoslavia has but does not build FROG and SCUD type missiles for longer-range tactical and some strategic use.

In short, then, what does Beiraq want out of a Yuraq project? It might be possible to develop a new Ababil missile with advanced guidance and slightly enhanced range, allowing one or two such rockets to be carried by each vehicle (in place of the 12 usual rockets), alternately a more ambitious project would be some sort of SCUD replacement with much longer range and just a single-rocket configuration.


General Pupin is also able to inform the Beiraqis that Yugoslavia is decommissioning its fleet of missile craft due to the long-awaited replacement model finally entering full-rate production. Up to eighteen (18) Type 240 Rade Koncar Class craft are available for transfer if desired, and, if they can get into Beiraqi waters, a token payment of US$20million would be accepted for all eighteen vessels that otherwise will be stripped and scrapped.

Displacement: 242 tons full load
Dimensions: 45x8x1.8 metres/147.6x26x5.9 feet
Propulsion: 4 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 7,200bhp; 2 boost gas turbines, 9,000shp; 16,200 shp total
Speed: 37 knots sprint
Crew: 30
Fire Control: 9LV200 MkII missile control, 30nm range
EW: decoy
Armament: 2x SS-N-2B Styx anti-ship missiles, 1x 57mm dual-purpose gun, 1x 30mm gun

The possibility also exists that Yugoslav naval personnel might make-up part of the crew, though the boats would sail under a Beiraqi flag if they entered action (since Yugoslavia does not want to become officially involved).

Beiraqi Generals had envisioned something like an enhanced SCUD, with longer range and a more powerful warhead. Also, pertaining to those Koncar class vessels, we will purchase the lot of all eighteen ships, for a total price of $360 million.

Beiraq also wishes to deeply thank Yugoslavia for its materials, which have granted the glorious nation of Beiraq a victory of the cowardly imperialist dogs of Icovir

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Beiraq also wishes to deeply thank Yugoslavia for its materials, which have granted the glorious nation of Beiraq a victory of the cowardly imperialist dogs of Icovir

OOC: I'm shocked at such a mean statement.

IC: Icovir, now having diplomatic relations with Beiraq, would like to know if Beiraq is interested in decreasing boarder security at the border between Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait. In turn, we will do the same.

Citizens are getting afraid that another war will brew up, so we are asking this for our citizens.

OOC: I'm shocked at such a mean statement.

IC: Icovir, now having diplomatic relations with Beiraq, would like to know if Beiraq is interested in decreasing boarder security at the border between Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait. In turn, we will do the same.

Citizens are getting afraid that another war will brew up, so we are asking this for our citizens.

Hmm..how much of a decrease are we talking?

A decrease of about 1 million troops.

Did you see our military stats? We don't even have a million troops in our military.

Did you see our military stats? We don't even have a million troops in our military.

Pour moi.

Pour moi.

I don't speak french, but my military stats are all on the front page.

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OOC: Since me and Griffencrest are good friends, can I station 15,000 Mafia Soldiers, pilots and sailors along with a port and factory so I can start production in Beiraq?

We'll pay good money and we can help defend you.

OOC: How about 1,500 men, Griffincrest has 15,000. You can also have a port and factory along the banks of yhe Strait of Hormuz, and can keep your men there.

OOC: How about 1,500 men, Griffincrest has 15,000. You can also have a port and factory along the banks of yhe Strait of Hormuz, and can keep your men there.

OOC: I had a big post about moving in a bunch of tanks, guns and shit into Beiraq, but Jolt ate it.

25 Eurofighter Typhoons
25 Earwig Strike Fighters
5 Mi-8 Hip Helicopters
5 C-130 Transports

4 S-400 Batteries
4 Kraven 120mm EM-assist Flak batteries
15 KPV 14.5mm Turrets
15 AC-27 Gatling Guns

25 Challenger 2
25 BTR-94
45 MG Technicals
100 Assorted Trucks

3 Talwar-class Frigates

If you ever need me, just Telegram me.

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Beiraq has substituted 10 million AK-47s for the AR-550.

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