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The lanclet fluke is a very unique kind of fluke existing in the excrement of snails. When the excrementis eaten by ants the parasite undergoes a transformation in the ants body. It makes its way up to the brain of the ant and kills it. Then it "reanimates the body of the ant. It is albe ot control the ant in any way it desires.

This Fluke has amazed many poeple ot this day. However, some poeple feel that it shouldn't jsut be confined to ants. Scientists in Kubra have thought of "playing god" and artificially creatng a parasite quite like this. However, it wouldn't infect ants. They would try to make the creature infect humans.

Currently, the government does not approve of this proposition, as things could get out of hand. Although it would be an effective weapon, it would simply be too disasterous if the parasite and its offspring was not contained. Whetrher or not this proposed project will go forward remains to be see.

OOC: Bump.

ooc: How would the parasite be introduced into the human body? The ants must ingest the parasite for it to harm them afterall. Also there would be a very limited 'life' to the 'zombies' as the flesh would dehydrate and generally decompose in short order.

ooc: How would the parasite be introduced into the human body? The ants must ingest the parasite for it to harm them afterall. Also there would be a very limited 'life' to the 'zombies' as the flesh would dehydrate and generally decompose in short order. OOC: put it in the water supplies. If this stuff gets in the water well you can expect some damage. And although the life would be quite limited Hopefully it would cause enough damage within the lifespan of the 'zombie'.

ooc: So a bio-weapon targetting water supplies?
Good for terrorists, not so much for military purposes.

Actually it has excellent military applications, Theao. For example:

You're laying siege to the enemy. They manage to fend off your attacks time and time again. The only weakness in the enemy's defense is a clear water river leading into the city...It's their water supply. Instead of wasting time and lives trying to take the city...poison the water.

Zombies or other chemical or biological weapons, it doesn't matter. However, with a zombie virus of sorts, all you need to do is infect a small batch of people before the enemy realizes their water is contaminated and takes action to purify it.

Seeing as Zombies aren't exactly run-of-the-mill the first batch of them will obviously infect others and their number will grow exponentially!

What does this mean? You win, they lose and when the city has fallen you can nuke it, citing biological contamination...and since you've won you can also blame the zombie virus on the enemy.

Win-Win.

ooc: So a bio-weapon targetting water supplies?
Good for terrorists, not so much for military purposes.
Why not? An army could get a troublesome population to turn against itself. Would probably be useful in a situation where a regular army has to fight a guerilla force. They army wouldn't be able to fight it on its own terms, but it could target the guerillas water supply.

ooc: So a bio-weapon targetting water supplies?
Good for terrorists, not so much for military purposes. Morale is a very important aspect of any battle. In fact, snipers are more for affecitng morale than picking off soldiers.

To: Auman
Alright, to begin with you have to assume that the army is not treating the water to purify it in some manner, be it filtration, running through a water purification plant, boiling, clorination or some other method.

There was nothing stated that the parasites would be anywhere other than in the brain, which would make it that even if a 'Zombie' bit someone, you wouldn't pass the parasite.

Also if you're willing to nuke a city to 'purify' it, then it would be much more effective to just nuke it to begin with, as use of nuclear warheads(to purify or destroy the city) would be grounds for a counter-strike.

To: LNI
More effective, but unless you can selectively target villages that you 'know' are harbouring dissedents/guerillas/rebels, you run the risk of polluting the watertable and killing more, including villages/people who support you. It would also lead to more people pissed at you and willing to fight back.

To: Kubra
Yes morale is important, but as I mentioned to Auman, it would be difficult to use against an army, less so against a city.

Also, how would the parasites effect a human, as I can understand how one would be able to manipulate an ant's movement, but to manipulate/replace a human's cerebellum you would need a bunch of parasites and unless they had a 'hive' mind then since they'd all be sending conflicting messages, the person would act more like someone undergoing a seizure than anything effective.

Would be useful for fighting guerilla forces as previously mentioned, but you could always just make a character RP out of it, zombie RPs are always a blast afterall.

Um, no.

Dead things don't breathe.

Nor do they have a working heart.

Therefore, there's no oxygen coming to the muscles to fuel them, and even if there was, there would be no way to get the oxygen to the muscles. So, no movement.

At all.

You just need electrical impulses to get muscles to move, not oxygen. Oxygen kepts the cells alive, not keeps them functioning.

An electrical impulse to a dead hand can get the fingers to curl up for example.

You know, being alive REALLY helps the fuctioning part out, you know?

Getting a few fingers to move post-mortem is a far cry from trying to get something to move under it's own power and attack something. And since the only real electricity in the body come from the brain (which in itself produce tiny amounts), you'd have to mount some sort of system of shock pads which will be costly, impratical, and negate any sort of advantages these things may have, including the ability to spread.

That is, of course, if it works in the first place, which is highly unlikely.

We've already had this debate on the NationStates Draftroom, and it's been proved impratical.

If you want to poison an enemy's water supply, simply use conventional chemicals like anthrax or a nerve agent like Sarin.

Velkya, according to the first post, the only damage this parasite does to the host body is to the brain, which it quickly replaces. Therefore, it still has a working circulatory/respiratory/nervous system. So, the host can still breathe, move, etc.

...These things are starting to remind me of the ATHF Hypno-Germs...

The air! What if these parasites could be sent in through the air? packages could be dropped with these small airborne parasites in them. When the package breaks open the parasites would infect the air. Soldiers would then breath them in. The problem is becuase of their size they won't be able to do much, So, they should be able to plant their eggs in the human.

That, or we oculd mka them like the face eaters from Half-Life.

And get ignored by mostly all sane powers in NS.

And get ignored by mostly all sane powers in NS. It leaves me to wonder what oyur definition of sane is. Oil comapnies that attack other people with oil, perhaps? Yes, that's very sane.

The real purpose of this is to cause bloodshed in my own nation.

Actually it has excellent military applications, Theao. For example:

You're laying siege to the enemy. They manage to fend off your attacks time and time again. The only weakness in the enemy's defense is a clear water river leading into the city...It's their water supply. Instead of wasting time and lives trying to take the city...poison the water.

Zombies or other chemical or biological weapons, it doesn't matter. However, with a zombie virus of sorts, all you need to do is infect a small batch of people before the enemy realizes their water is contaminated and takes action to purify it.

Seeing as Zombies aren't exactly run-of-the-mill the first batch of them will obviously infect others and their number will grow exponentially!

What does this mean? You win, they lose and when the city has fallen you can nuke it, citing biological contamination...and since you've won you can also blame the zombie virus on the enemy.

Win-Win.

Why waste time and take the chance that the stuff is going to spread to your troops?

Just nuke the city and be done with it.

Parasite not needed.

Dastardly Stench']Why waste time and take the chance that the stuff is going to spread to your troops?

Just nuke the city and be done with it.

Parasite not needed. No, nukes are horrible weapons!

And a zombie virus isn't, duh.

Having actually looked it up, the zombie ants/humans is interesting. hell, modify the fluke to go from flea/roach to human, and have the subsequent behavior of the zombified human to be the desire to further infect other humans, through the medium of saliva.

Nature, being the wonderful thing that it is, has already introduced us to something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacculina

Crab-zombies! Yay!

Nature, being the wonderful thing that it is, has already introduced us to something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacculina

Crab-zombies! Yay!
That reminds me of the Genestealers...

OOC Now the problem is paying god witohut going MT. That's not going ot happen, so maybe I should just reserve this for when I decide to go PMT.

The Alliance is way ahead of you, I'm afraid.

The Alliance is way ahead of you, I'm afraid. Give me virus. now.

OOC: Seriously, gimmie. I need a way to cause chaos in my own nation.

Not flukes, not viruses, but worms.

In the ZA, they are called Deathworms. Implant them into the brain of a dead body before it decays. The Deathworms can generate electical impulses that move the body around, governed by a natural empathy for each other. In their natural state, the Deathworm hosts eat dirt to feed the Deathworms, and are usually unable to do anything more than just munch.

Weak telepathic forces, however, can control the Deathworms like a hive-mind(OOC: this is where I leave science-fiction and move onto fantasy), telepathy like the weak energies emmited by a race native to the Zombie Alliance known as the Necros. Through the manipulation of the Deathworms, the Necros have been able to zombiefy the rest of the population of the country.

And starvation is never a problem, because the zombies eat dirt, and are short-lived anyway.

HOWEVER, you apparently want to use them to create chaos, rather than order like the Necros have done. So, just introduce Deathworms into your nation's ecosystem, and role-play that the Kubran enviroment is such that the Deathworms reproduce and spread like wildfire. Soon, they infest a dead animal in a forest or something. Then the zombiefied animal moves into town and find a cemetery, and the chaos begins

OOC: Just as a side-note a fluke IS a worm. A flatworm of class Trematoda, to be precise (had to wiki the name of the class...)

OOC: Just as a side-note a fluke IS a worm. A flatworm of class Trematoda, to be precise (had to wiki the name of the class...)
This is a different kind of worm. It's round. And...ya. That's about it.

This is a different kind of worm. It's round. And...ya. That's about it. OOC:.....can I still have it? It woulkd make ofr a great rp.

The lanclet fluke is a very unique kind of fluke existing in the excrement of snails. When the excrementis eaten by ants the parasite undergoes a transformation in the ants body. It makes its way up to the brain of the ant and kills it. Then it "reanimates the body of the ant. It is albe ot control the ant in any way it desires.

This Fluke has amazed many poeple ot this day. However, some poeple feel that it shouldn't jsut be confined to ants. Scientists in Kubra have thought of "playing god" and artificially creatng a parasite quite like this. However, it wouldn't infect ants. They would try to make the creature infect humans.

Currently, the government does not approve of this proposition, as things could get out of hand. Although it would be an effective weapon, it would simply be too disasterous if the parasite and its offspring was not contained. Whetrher or not this proposed project will go forward remains to be see.


So would they infect other people?? and how?

Asylumny']So would they infect other people?? and how? OOC: Eggs in the mouh? Yea, the genetically modifed fluke would lay it's eggs within the mouth. When a human is bitten by an infected person the egg goes into the wound.

would the infected person be violent?

OOC:.....can I still have it? It woulkd make ofr a great rp.
Well, you would have to have at least one telepath(preferable evil) residing in your nation to make the zombies to something other than "munch" dirt, but...okay. You have to trade something for it, though. Like....pinapples. We don't have many pineapples in ZA, they are a rare commodity. I'll trade you some Deathworms for some pineapples.

Why not just start your own research facility? You can modify the fluke to have its terminal stage inside a human, with the desired mode of reproduction through the saliva?

Well, you would have to have at least one telepath(preferable evil) residing in your nation to make the zombies to something other than "munch" dirt, but...okay. You have to trade something for it, though. Like....pinapples. We don't have many pineapples in ZA, they are a rare commodity. I'll trade you some Deathworms for some pineapples. OOC: Pfft, who needs telepathy? I can just use the joys of gene manipulation, gentic modification, and possibly rabies. Anyways, on with ze deal.

IC: Kubra is interested in buying these "deathworms" of oyurs for testikng purposes. Now I hear you guys don't get any Pineapples over there....What say you to half a ton of pineapples?

This stuff really scares the fuck out of me! My biggest phobia is zombies. Think if they existed it would be the end of the world as we know it

Um, no.

Zombies are slow, stupid, and easily detectable.

Sounds like excellent cannonfodder to me.

But we dont know this. Thats just what movies say. And even if they where like that big packs would be deadly

And, who's to dispute the movies, huh?

The image of zombies you have in your head WAS created by Hollywood producers and writer, but I assume you already knew that.

Hollywood gave me the concept of the idea

I prefer the remake of dawn of the dead, where the zombies could sprint for extended periods of time.

actually my aunt was in the first dawn of the dead. The orginal old one. My cousin directed it :)

Um, no.

Zombies are slow, stupid, and easily detectable.

Sounds like excellent cannonfodder to me. OOC: Actually, in some ways they are better than humans physically. Think aobut it, they can't feel pain. They can run for long periods without cramping or feeling fatigue. It's all still there but they can't feel it. Then you shoot it and it keeps on going.