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The following nations are invited to come to Kyoto for a conference on the reshaping of alliances following the war:

Japan
China
USEA
Australia
Indonesia
Malaysia
FNS
Mexico
Canada
Phillipines
UIR
France
Korea
Nepal
Bhutan
Burma
Russia

OOC: if I've forgotten anyone, or want to come, just let me know

Speaker Kim Gu himself will personally attend the conference, as the Emperor seems to have everything under control at home....

Canada and Malaysia are waiting to see what the British do, and the Indonesians are waiting to see what the Australasians do

Indira Ghandi asks the Japanese and Koreans to recognize the new Republic of India, and also requests that India attend

ooc
see below
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11362583&postcount=394

China will send its UN delegate diplomat to the conference as China is still in the process of rebuilding and the Prime Minister is unavailable.

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OOC:

GB, the SCT has serious reservations about letting TLS (the player) into a new reformed SCT. After all, TLS's actions were quite ill advised, and many in the SCT OOC'ly didn't approve of it.

The UIP sends it's chief ambassador to the meeting, and recommends that it's new allies of Malaysia, Australasia, and Indonesia attend.

China will send its UN delegate diplomat to the conference as China is still in the process of rebuilding and the Prime Minister is unavailable.

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OOC:

GB, the SCT has serious reservations about letting TLS (the player) into a new reformed SCT. After all, TLS's actions were quite ill advised, and many in the SCT OOC'ly didn't approve of it.

ooc
TLS is the Pakistani player, India is currently an NPC country. And he indicated he wanted to play Quebici rebels anyway.

Imperial Aaronia shall sned a team of ambassadors lead by Baron Aaron to discuss all arising matters.

(WIth the way that the NPC INdia is being played we might not want them either.)

Imperial Aaronia shall sned a team of ambassadors lead by Baron Aaron to discuss all arising matters.

ooc
closed RP, to join you must go to the main thread. It indicated such on the topic title, so read carefully those things.

Main thread is here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472407

(Who is IMperial Aronia play anyway?)

A delegation from Mexico will attend.

Australasia will attend the conference and encourages both Indonesia and Malyasia to attend as well.

Due to continuing Crisis in Eastern Europe, it is uncertain whether we may be able to effectively participate, however if a delegation is unable to be assigned the French diplomatic Attache is to attend the conference, however this person shall not have much authority to conclude any serious dealings.

Indira Gandhi is allowed to send an observation team, recognition of India is given as long as they can promise a democratic government free of oppression of muslims

Britain agrees to attend and sends a delegation. It is interested in other nations' ideas of alliances in a post-war world.

Prime Minister Hiroshi Aki stood up and looked out into the crowd.

"Thank you for coming today gentleman, I trust you wil find this meeting most beneficial. I will now turn things over to my good friend from Korea who will give you the main part of the idea."

Kim Gu, having spoken with his Japanese counterpart, reveals the agenda for the meeting.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I do not have to tell you of what has transpired in North America and Asia. The world situation dictates that as of now, the old order is dead. A new world order must be created to replace it. One that is more stable, flexible, and may yet bring this world out of the darkness of the present state of affairs.

Our Japanese hosts called all assembled here today because they have proposed a reformation of our old Seoul Conference. It was admittedly, a well intentioned organization tainted with the fatal flaws of being too centered on East Asia, and too dedicated to being defensive, to the point of two of our greatest partners becoming victims of atomic war.

Our hosts are regrettably unable to visit this first meeting. However, we have a copy of their plan for revising the old SCT and transforming it into something new.

This new thing would be divided into four sections that are not necessarily reliant on one another, but are different entities under a Big Tent. These are:

A. A defensive military treaty, the Kyoto Defense Accords (KDA).
B. A commercial union- Seoul Commerce Group (SCG), which functions much like the European Economic Community, or the economic portions of the SCT before events. It would handle matters of trade between member states, etc.
C. An Economic Fund that would mutually be used to finance foreign aid and domestic development projects within the SCG/KDA- Unified Economic Development Fund (UEDF)
D. And, a collective Space Agency that will harness the collective scientific might of its members for peaceful endeavors- the United Space Initative (USI)

Membership in the USI and UEDF would come automatically with membership in the SCG. However, this does not mean one is obligated to join either the defensive or economic organization to recieve any of the benefits of the economic fund or the Space Agency. Membership to either organization can be given to non SCG members."

Kim then smiled and said, "This should make things easier as it allows nations to join some organizations and not others, which gives us better knowledge on what they'll do in the event of a crisis (instead of having nations suddenly back down). Thus, it is more flexible, and not constricting upon national sovereignity in any way."

The Filipino represenative raised his hand. "ANd what of other intrinsice alliances already in existance. I know it's common sense that any Alliance countermanded against this new alliance would not be accepted, but what of those that are mutual in some way. I do not know if it got out beyond the outer rims, but Australasia, Indonesia, the UIP, and Malaysia signed an economic and military pact to make more friendly neighbors and to end this horrible US based depression. So could say Australasia or the UIP belong to this alliance and also belong to the SCG?"

The Filipino represenative raised his hand. "ANd what of other intrinsice alliances already in existance. I know it's common sense that any Alliance countermanded against this new alliance would not be accepted, but what of those that are mutual in some way. I do not know if it got out beyond the outer rims, but Australasia, Indonesia, the UIP, and Malaysia signed an economic and military pact to make more friendly neighbors and to end this horrible US based depression. So could say Australasia or the UIP belong to this alliance and also belong to the SCG?"

Kim then said, "Yes. I do not see why an alliance made by a member of the pre-reforms SCT with another set of nations does not pose general or focused harm to the KDA/SCG Group should be denied entrance to the Seoul Economic Group. And that is one element of the flexibility I was referring to-the ability to retain choice over diplomatic affairs, while yet still choosing to join either one of our organizations."

"Alright, currently that is all I had to ask in relation to my own country. Currently we are prepared for an influx of Chinese refugees and immigrants as are Japan and Korea as CHina proves unable to feed it's population. What will we do with the USEA and China currently in this alliance? To say they are automatically joined wouldn't be fair, but to say that we will wait could be detrimental as well. "

"Alright, currently that is all I had to ask in relation to my own country. Currently we are prepared for an influx of Chinese refugees and immigrants as are Japan and Korea as CHina proves unable to feed it's population. What will we do with the USEA and China currently in this alliance? To say they are automatically joined wouldn't be fair, but to say that we will wait could be detrimental as well. "

Kim then said, diplomatically, "I would suppose that is up to those states, if they wished to join the KDA/SCG Group. And by the Chinese presence, it seems that they are at least interested in joining. Of course, we are always on the lookout for new persons, especially from outside of East Asia."

The Mexican delegate raises a point,
"And where do the new nations that have arisen from the US stand in all of this? Mexico's main concerns will be those closest to home."

The Mexican delegate raises a point,
"And where do the new nations that have arisen from the US stand in all of this? Mexico's main concerns will be those closest to home."

Kim Gu then fielded the question, saying, "Regarding the new American States, their status is difficult. If they wish to apply to any of our organizations, they may be allowed probationary status with limited benefits for a lengthy period of time, seeing as how their previous incarnation committed a very disastrous act and thus we may wish to see if these new States have repented or not.

However, if they do not wish to join, then that will be understood as well, and that may be preferred by some members."

"Personally I would hope we don't allow them in ever." The delegate from the UIP stated. To have their peaceful attempts to bring China and the US thrown about in such a way had hurt many Filipinos. And many didn't exactly like the US split either. They'd had Democracy and Republic lorded over them by the great Whites who rescued them from the evil Japanese. And then they'd nuked China with no provocation. To see a dream tarnished makes for a much uglier picture than one that was originally not so clear.

"But the Philippines will support such a status as Korea has stated."

China has very deep reservations about allowing Columbia into the new organization, considering that most of the missiles that struck Asia came from the Columbia region, and that the Americans have killed slightly over 200 million Chinese without provacation or even a declaration of war. It's the equalivent of killing off the entire population of the former USA (208 million).

However, China doesn't have any problems with FNS, Australia, or South Africa or other nations that may desire to join the new organization.

China has very deep reservations about allowing Columbia into the new organization, considering that most of the missiles that struck Asia came from the Columbia region, and that the Americans have killed slightly over 200 million Chinese without provacation or even a declaration of war. It's the equalivent of killing off the entire population of the former USA (208 million).

Kim then replies to this, "Like I said, some people here will object to that. We will not actively seek the membership of any of the new American States, my previous statements were not meant to give off that impression, and I do apologize if I gave the impression of actively courting them. You do not think I object and feel disgusted about the atomic war they unleashed? My sentiments still lie with freedom and the defense of the Korean people, as well as the defense of all those who sweat under disorder and fear.

If they do not wish to join, that is preferred, and more than likely, they will not. I simply state those punitive, exacting, and deserved conditions by which they will be admitted (if the decision is made by the membership to let them in at all) if they choose to join."

The FNS delegate emerges from the shadows;

"Please explain to me how I am supposed to suggest these plans to my government in the face of such racism and xenoism? How can we be sure that the South Americans would not be treated the same way that the Phillippines treats Americans?"

The FNS delegate emerges from the shadows;

"Please explain to me how I am supposed to suggest these plans to my government in the face of such racism and xenoism? How can we be sure that the South Americans would not be treated the same way that the Phillippines treats Americans?"

Kim then taps the microphone to call the man's attention and says, "Forgive me if I have slighted you; I for one do not have problems with the South Americans joining the alliance, the Chinese have no issue either. They did not launch atomic weaponry at us. By the 'new American States,' we meant the successor states to the United States of America, so recently collapsed.

However to get to the point, the crux of the question, the main method we will use to prevent unfair discrimination is that any of the organizations will let you in without any cause for restrictive measures if you have not caused our membership previous, egregious harm, such as atomic holocaust, for example."

ooc
the successor state of Colombia doesn't really start talking to the world until about mid 1965. It will also end up including BC and the Yukon territories. Incidently Sharina, the missiles were based in Columbia, but nobody in power or formerly in power in any of those states made the decision to launch them and you would know that.

However, Columbia has no interest in joining any large multinational trade or treaty organization except for the UN. It does seek bilateral defense agreements with the FNS, Russia and Australia, and bilaterial trade agreements with Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Australasia, Mexico, the FNS, and Russia. Anger over statements by the Philippine government will cause a backlash and no interest in trade agreements with them, and the Columbian government is wary of China and the USEA, figuring they are likely to hold a grudge.


The large Chinese American, Korean American, Japanese American etc communities (particularly in California, BC and Washington) will however provide private donations to relief agencies worth 5 points to China, 1 point to Japan, 1 point to the Philippines and 2 points to Korea in 1964

The Indochinese delegate to the conference states that Columbia and the rest of the former United States will have no support from the USEA if they ever decide they wish to join any of the proposed organizations. That is all that is said on the matter.

The USEA does however whole heartedly agree on the proposed restructuring of alliances and supports the creation of all the organizations.

OOC: Ok, official warning now. Having a Columbia and a Colombia is going to wreak total havoc on my brain. Just so you all know...

IC: The Australasian delegate remains quiet throughout the proceedings. Though directed by Canberra to seek closer ties through whatever alliance emerges from Kyoto, the harsh treatment toward the former United States takes him aback. Despite promises that his nation is welcome here, it is only natural that he may consider the close ties to such a pariah as unbeneficial...

OOC: Ok, official warning now. Having a Columbia and a Colombia is going to wreak total havoc on my brain. Just so you all know...

IC: The Australasian delegate remains quiet throughout the proceedings. Though directed by Canberra to seek closer ties through whatever alliance emerges from Kyoto, the harsh treatment toward the former United States takes him aback. Despite promises that his nation is welcome here, it is only natural that he may consider the close ties to such a pariah as unbeneficial...

ooc
the fact that you are getting a massive influx of immigrants from North America isn't going to help either

OOC: Ok, official warning now. Having a Columbia and a Colombia is going to wreak total havoc on my brain. Just so you all know...

IC: The Australasian delegate remains quiet throughout the proceedings. Though directed by Canberra to seek closer ties through whatever alliance emerges from Kyoto, the harsh treatment toward the former United States takes him aback. Despite promises that his nation is welcome here, it is only natural that he may consider the close ties to such a pariah as unbeneficial...

OOC:
There were no harsh things said about the Americans it was just made clear that no support would be given from Indochina for their membership.

OOC:

I'm just trying to RP what the Chinese would feel. To put it into perpsective, suppose someone totally wrecked your home, raped your spouse, beat up your kids, and then left, would you welcome that person into a bar or party you're participating in?

Another perpsective would be like having the Goldman family (analogous to China / former SCT in E20) welcome O.J. (analogous to the US) back into the family after O.J. allegedly murdered Nicole Goldman and her "boyfriend" and got away with it.

OOC: Ok, official warning now. Having a Columbia and a Colombia is going to wreak total havoc on my brain. Just so you all know...

IC: The Australasian delegate remains quiet throughout the proceedings. Though directed by Canberra to seek closer ties through whatever alliance emerges from Kyoto, the harsh treatment toward the former United States takes him aback. Despite promises that his nation is welcome here, it is only natural that he may consider the close ties to such a pariah as unbeneficial...

OOC: Wow. It seems I've made a nice little mess of this.

IC:

Kim then replies to the Australian delegate in an attempt to assauge his fears, noticing he looks a tad bit nervous, "Sir, I assure you that our treatment of the Successor States is the best solution I can come up with that leaves all the options on the table without causing undue offense. Besides, we most assuredly have nothing against Australia."

"I would like to formaly apologize to the FNS delegate for the misunderstanding in our use of the term "American". We have nothing against Americans, just those from the United States who propogated this. And as for Australia, we were in the same situation as you recently, and your nervousness is aparent, we hold you as apart of our community as well. "

(And I really had no intention of trading with Columbia anyways. And if they nuke me, well that's just their perogative.)

OOC:

I'm just trying to RP what the Chinese would feel. To put it into perpsective, suppose someone totally wrecked your home, raped your spouse, beat up your kids, and then left, would you welcome that person into a bar or party you're participating in?

Another perpsective would be like having the Goldman family (analogous to China / former SCT in E20) welcome O.J. (analogous to the US) back into the family after O.J. allegedly murdered Nicole Goldman and her "boyfriend" and got away with it.

OOC: I wasnt complaining at all. When I first joined I did the same thing opposing the Chinese. It just got swept under the rug when our timewarp ended with you getting piled on by the Japs and Commies--makes people feel sorry for you and cancels out all the bad sentiment.

As for me immigrant friends, I'm quite aware of all the fun little twists they will add to my nation. Ze poor aborigines are going to get the short straw I think....

IC: The Australian delegate nods at the words from the other representatives, though he still does not venture much (for now) beyond "Australasia is interested in this alliance."

(1970, Stupid wacky time warp)

At the Kyoto Conference on the future of the alliances in East Asia, Indochina announces that the SCT will be no more from this point onwards, it will be broken down into it's constiuent parts.


Replacing the SCT's economic section will be similarly named Seoul Economic Goup (SEG), It will also encompass the Asian Economic Fund (AEF). The presidency of the SCG would rotate around the member nations, changing each year.
(The SEG would keep the original SCT flag)

The ASA will be made fully independant and civillian, military research and space items such as spy satellites will have to be funded and researched seperately by the member nations, though Launch facilities for them will be availible. The ASA would keep ties with the Seoul Economic Group but have to ties with Asian Treaty Organization.


Replacing the military wing will be the Asian Treaty Organization, which will change from it's original purpose as a militarist arm of a power bloc to a mutual defence organization.
The Asian Treaty Organization will retain the Joint Asian Inteligence Council (JAIC) which shares intelligence among member nations (assuming they want to share that is).
The Asian Treaty Organization would be neutral to any conflict outside of Asia and of those within Asia would only require it's members to provide asistance if a country can be proved to have been attacked first by the agressor.
In a dispute between two member nations the Asian Treaty Organization would try to mediate between the two to reach a desicion upon which both agree.
If unrest, war or natural disaster causes hardship within a country, they can ask the Asian Treaty Organization to supply Neutral Peacekeepers. Member nations would be obliged to provide aid or military units to further peace keeping efforts.
The Asian Treaty Organization would be a mutual defence organization only and as such members would be free to make alliances outside of Asia at any point.
The Asian Treaty organization would have a council made up of three elected members, which ultimately decides on what course of action should be taken if there is a tied vote betwen the Asian Treaty Organization memebers.
The council is changed every three years.
There would be no research exchange or research sharing obligations what so ever.
It is hoped these measures will bring peace and stability to an Asia where tensions have been rapidly rising.

All Asian and Oceanian countries would be invited to the organizations listed above including Russia in an obervers role if it whishes.
(India will also be invited, mainly because Indochina sympathises with India IC, no matter what is said OOC, and for this to work most of Asia needs to join)

The Federal Republic of Brazil would to apply for membership in the Asian Treaty Organization.

Korea endorses the Brazilians, sending secret letters to the Indochinese and Chinese that cite their potential importance "down the road" in future affairs.

Korea endorses the Brazilians, sending secret letters to the Indochinese and Chinese that cite their potential importance "down the road" in future affairs.

The UIR do the same, as an ally in South America could be a good thing if the FNS does not join

The UIR is pleased with the new organization and will happily join

With some reservation the Indochinese agree to support Brazillian membership if China also agrees.

(Kehehe, Asian Treaty Organisation, XD)

China will agree to this.

The Republic of Kashgaria (western China/eastern Central Asia) would like to apply to join the alliance/organization. We are looking to take a more open role in Asia and believe this will be an important step.

The Republic of Kashgaria (western China/eastern Central Asia) would like to apply to join the alliance/organization. We are looking to take a more open role in Asia and believe this will be an important step.

The UIR supports this

representatives from Tibet request that the SCT recognize their independence and allow them to join the SCT

representatives from Tibet request that the SCT recognize their independence and allow them to join the SCT

OOC:
SCT no longer exists.
However the new mutual defense treaty that is the ATO the economic group that is the SEG and the space organisation that is the ASA do, and if Tibet wants to join the rest of these organisation are obviously going to look towards China for an okay.

IC:
The Indochinese representative privately discuss with the Chinese the possibilties of giving the Tibetans a Special Adminstrative Region title and allowing them to participate in the SEG. (The ASA generally doesn't see the territorial borders but amount of funds supplied.)

representatives from Tibet request that the SCT recognize their independence and allow them to join the SCT

China will not recongize Tibetian independence as it must have been influenced by foreign forces, considering Tibet was a happy and productive member of China up to the Twilight War, and the fact that China is able to get back on its feet within 2 years of the war (1966).

Therefore, China considers the Tibetian declaration of independence as one made under duress or mis-guidance. China has been taking very good care of Tibet, and for Tibet to refuse or break away from that is, as Ultra-Nationalist Chinese president Heng Ming puts it, "Quite Foolish".

China will not recongize Tibetian independence as it must have been influenced by foreign forces, considering Tibet was a happy and productive member of China up to the Twilight War, and the fact that China is able to get back on its feet within 2 years of the war (1966).

Therefore, China considers the Tibetian declaration of independence as one made under duress or mis-guidance. China has been taking very good care of Tibet, and for Tibet to refuse or break away from that is, as Ultra-Nationalist Chinese president Heng Ming puts it, "Quite Foolish".

SIC:

Korea delivers a plan similar to the Indochinese to the Chinese, on letting Tibet become a Special Admin. Region within the Seoul Economic Group. However, they also insist Tibet not be given full independence, and the Park Government offers NKPA aid in squashing any attempts at revolt.

Open IC:

On another note, the Park Government condemns the Japanese for not subscribing to the Asian Treaty Organization, calling their move reckless. Some Koreans even fear the Japanese may return to the bad old days of the 1590s or the 1930s, an opinion expressed by ultraconservative pundits on radio, TV, and print. Other Koreans are merely dismayed.

The UIR government sends private reasssurances to korea that Japan would not dare attack a more powerful nation or organiztion unless it wanted to lose.

The UIR secretly proposes to China to let Tibet be semi-autonomous, but China dictates foreign, economic, and military affairs

(1970, Stupid wacky time warp)

At the Kyoto Conference on the future of the alliances in East Asia, Indochina announces that the SCT will be no more from this point onwards, it will be broken down into it's constiuent parts.


Replacing the SCT's economic section will be similarly named Seoul Economic Goup (SEG), It will also encompass the Asian Economic Fund (AEF). The presidency of the SCG would rotate around the member nations, changing each year.
(The SEG would keep the original SCT flag)

The ASA will be made fully independant and civillian, military research and space items such as spy satellites will have to be funded and researched seperately by the member nations, though Launch facilities for them will be availible. The ASA would keep ties with the Seoul Economic Group but have to ties with Asian Treaty Organization.


Replacing the military wing will be the Asian Treaty Organization, which will change from it's original purpose as a militarist arm of a power bloc to a mutual defence organization.
The Asian Treaty Organization will retain the Joint Asian Inteligence Council (JAIC) which shares intelligence among member nations (assuming they want to share that is).
The Asian Treaty Organization would be neutral to any conflict outside of Asia and of those within Asia would only require it's members to provide asistance if a country can be proved to have been attacked first by the agressor.
In a dispute between two member nations the Asian Treaty Organization would try to mediate between the two to reach a desicion upon which both agree.
If unrest, war or natural disaster causes hardship within a country, they can ask the Asian Treaty Organization to supply Neutral Peacekeepers. Member nations would be obliged to provide aid or military units to further peace keeping efforts.
The Asian Treaty Organization would be a mutual defence organization only and as such members would be free to make alliances outside of Asia at any point.
The Asian Treaty organization would have a council made up of three elected members, which ultimately decides on what course of action should be taken if there is a tied vote betwen the Asian Treaty Organization memebers.
The council is changed every three years.
There would be no research exchange or research sharing obligations what so ever.
It is hoped these measures will bring peace and stability to an Asia where tensions have been rapidly rising.

All Asian and Oceanian countries would be invited to the organizations listed above including Russia in an obervers role if it whishes.
(India will also be invited, mainly because Indochina sympathises with India IC, no matter what is said OOC, and for this to work most of Asia needs to join)

Australasia is forced into a fierce internal debate over the issue of membership in the ATO. With Parliament so evenly split between Labour and the Country Party, a consensus is difficult to find. Finally, the following decisions are made in May.

--Australia will join the SEG. The nation's markets are consistantly finding themselves predominately in Asia and the Australians can not afford to be at odds with their trade partners yet again.
--Australia will join the ATO in a limited role as its Commonwealth ties mean that it can not remain neutral to all conflicts outside of Asia. The nation will not participate in the JAIC and join in the defense of other ATO members against agression on a case by case basis. However, the inclination will be to assist. In the instance of civil unrest or natural disaster, Australia will eagerly offer the fullest aid.
--Australia will not join the ASA officially, though it offers its launchsite at Townsville should the ASA wish to use it for launches in the southern hemisphere. It is hoped that Australia will be able to use ASA spaceports in a similar regard.

--Australia will join the ATO in a limited role as its Commonwealth ties mean that it can not remain neutral to all conflicts outside of Asia.


OOC:
Sorry I didn't word that part clearly, it was meant to sya that they ATO will no require its members to take any stance on conflicts outside of Asia.
If the members want to thatey of course can, but they will recieve no compulsory support from ATO members.


--Australia will not join the ASA officially, though it offers its launchsite at Townsville should the ASA wish to use it for launches in the southern hemisphere. It is hoped that Australia will be able to use ASA spaceports in a similar regard.

IC:
The ASA thanks Austrialia for this oportunity and belives it will make launching communcations networks much easier. The Austrialians are in return offered the use of the Satellite launch complex in Panay, The Phillipines to launch their satellites from.
The ASA also offers to carry satellites into orbit onboard the new fleet of Type-3 'Lan Feng' Orbiters that are being commisioned in 1971.


(OOC: You seriously don't know what you are missing by not joining the ASA, NORAD is only going to have two or three orbiters, we are having ten.

OOC:
Sorry I didn't word that part clearly, it was meant to sya that they ATO will no require its members to take any stance on conflicts outside of Asia.
If the members want to thatey of course can, but they will recieve no compulsory support from ATO members.



IC:
The ASA thanks Austrialia for this oportunity and belives it will make launching communcations networks much easier. The Austrialians are in return offered the use of the Satellite launch complex in Panay, The Phillipines to launch their satellites from.
The ASA also offers to carry satellites into orbit onboard the new fleet of Type-3 'Lan Feng' Orbiters that are being commisioned in 1971.


(OOC: You seriously don't know what you are missing by not joining the ASA, NORAD is only going to have two or three orbiters, we are having ten.

OOC: Nope, I'm not working with NORAD either. Me and the South Africans are probably going to work together on some stuff instead.

OOC: Nope, I'm not working with NORAD either. Me and the South Africans are probably going to work together on some stuff instead.
But are you going to have Ten orbiters and a moon base? :p

Muhahahah.


Damn

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11501810#post11501810
New ATO thread

No, he and South Afrika are going to have 5-7, three Moon Bases, a Mars Base, 4 Skylabs and and Orbital Weapons Platform which will make Ronald Reagan cry.

And he won't get nuked.

China will not recongize Tibetian independence as it must have been influenced by foreign forces, considering Tibet was a happy and productive member of China up to the Twilight War, and the fact that China is able to get back on its feet within 2 years of the war (1966).

Therefore, China considers the Tibetian declaration of independence as one made under duress or mis-guidance. China has been taking very good care of Tibet, and for Tibet to refuse or break away from that is, as Ultra-Nationalist Chinese president Heng Ming puts it, "Quite Foolish".

the provesional Tibetan government points out that it voluntarily joined China and feels it can voluntarily return to its own path in the world.

SIC:



Open IC:

On another note, the Park Government condemns the Japanese for not subscribing to the Asian Treaty Organization, calling their move reckless. Some Koreans even fear the Japanese may return to the bad old days of the 1590s or the 1930s, an opinion expressed by ultraconservative pundits on radio, TV, and print. Other Koreans are merely dismayed.

The Japanese government issues bland reassurances that it intends to pursue a more neutral course and wishes to maintain good relations with its neighbors and the new path Japan is taking is not meant to threaten anyone.

tech level 8
Mir Space station (essentially a permanent station) which will be cheaper to maintain. Will cost less to build as well

48 points of research required

combining 3 MOLs will provide the needed space as well

Tech level 8.5
International Space Station (essentially an improved Mir) which will be cheaper still to maintain but cost more to build.

SpaceshipOne type small orbiters (to be determined)

Tech level 9
Single Stage to orbit shuttles
interplanetary spacecraft capable of Mars, Jupiter and Venus missions (essentially the Discovery from 2001 a Space Odyssey)
late Tech level 9.. Alderson Drive

Alderson Drive is a fictional but very plausable intersteller drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderson_drive

Parthini']No, he and South Afrika are going to have 5-7, three Moon Bases, a Mars Base, 4 Skylabs and and Orbital Weapons Platform which will make Ronald Reagan cry.

And he won't get nuked.

Who said anything about getting nuked?

AmI going to get nuked? Why am I going to get nuked, I'm not doing anything?