NationStates Jolt Archive

This rp starts January first 1800 and continues until no one wants to play anymore. If you want to play a major nation (especially France) you have to promise to try post more than once most days. These rps fall apart all the time when majors don't post often enough. You can pick any nation in the world at this time, don't godmode, yadda yadda yadda. Here is a map (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1800.htm) of Europe in 1800.


Claims

Prussia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11378331#post11378331): Elite Battle Hordes
Ottoman Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492153): Zelron
United Kingdom (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492384): Thomish Kingdoms
Saxony (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11386661#post11386661): Lachenburg
China (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492144): Choeson
Piedmont-Sardinia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11386907#post11386907): Siap
The Kingdom of Two Sicilies (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11378624#post11378624): Voxio
Russia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492169): Ciamoley
The Empire of Fez and Morocco (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11383526#post11383526): Montegrande
Kingdom of Denmark-Norway (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11397170#post11397170): Kamasha
The United States of America: Scharnhorst-Prussia
Persia: Azmi
France (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11380751#post11380751): Hevena
Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11384297#post11384297): Philanchez




IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492328)

Can I claim the Ottoman Empire?

Claims United Kingdom of Great Britian and Ireland

OOC: Kingdom of Denmark-Norway, please.

OOC: Kingdom of Denmark-Norway, please.

You want to be 2 different countrys? can you do that?

can we claim nations not on the map.

You want to be 2 different countrys? can you do that?

Wikipedia says that Denmark-Norway was one country until 1814.

oh ok.

will we be starting soon?

Sorry I haven't been on; I have been busy. Yes, you can pick nations not on the map. We will be starting when we get enough people. Right now we definitely need a France, Austria, and Russia.

Can i be france please

If we're allowed to, could I be China?

If not China, then I'll take Russia.

Ok thanks

Choeson, you are China. Israel3, although I have always accepted everyone immediately before, trouble with certain rpers had caused me to rethink this position. Since France is such an important nation I am going to have to ask that you submit several sentences with correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation. I figure if you can do that then you will be adequate.

What are considered the big countrys?

UK, France, Russia, Austria, and Prussia, I guess.

So Why does only Israel 3 have to write a paragraph

I will take Spain
question does this have to go according to what history states or are we allowed to veer?

Thomish Kingdoms, because France is very important and he only has three posts so I am just suspicious. I just want proof that he is capable of basic English and whatnot.

Zamnitia, you are Spain. And yes, you can veer as much as you want as long as it is done realistically.

gotcha, this should be fun.

btw does anyone know a site where you can find military specs of these nations during that time?

OOC:

Napoleon Forever (http://web2.airmail.net/napoleon/NAPOLEON_FOREVER.html)

The sight above lists the organization of the major Armies of the era (France, Austria, Prussia, Russia and Great Britian), along with the basics of Napoleonic Strategy and an overview of the entire campaign (including detailed articles on major battles).

I do know that there are other sites out there with similar information (and perhaps more detailed information about certain aspects of the era), however this site seems to be the largest pool of Napoleonic Information on the internet.

I will take the Duchy of Tuscany

Would the US be a required as well because of the War of 1812 soon after this begins?

Siap, I was wondering if anyone wanted an Italian state. Zelron, good point, although the war of 1812 is fairly far away and for all we know it won't happen in this timeline. I mean the French might not do well enough for the neccessary chain of events to occur. After all, I doubt whoever we choose to be the French player will be as talented as Napoleon. They still have the biggest and best army, but without Napoleon it isn't the same.

When do we create ND threads?

Anytime before the game starts is fine.

also on other RP's I have been on (not on this site) a lot of people dont handle defeat very well, how are we gonna to deal with a player if there defeat is plain for all to see except them?

http://www.napoleonguide.com/armyind.htm

this site is decent too

also can I be Austria instead, sorry for the hassle, I picked spain because I didn't think I could be as active as you wanted but I found out that my time is not so compact as I originally thought. Also if this change is ok do you need a sample of my writing?

May I take the Kingdom of Two Sicilies? Well, I guess according to your map it'd be Naples.

I'd be happy to play Garibaldi's forces and the subsequent kingdom of Italy if the RP lasts that long.

No, you don't need to supply a sample. In fact, most people who want to be France don't have to either. Israel3 just had so few posts and the one sentence he did write was missing two capitalizations and a period... anyway, you are now Austria.

Voxio, the moment I saw your name I knew you would want to be an Italian state. Technically it wasn't called Two Sicilies until after the Congress of Vienna, but for simplicities sake we might as well call it that from the start.

Zamnitia, if they are really bad I will go through a several step process that ends in them being kicked out if they don't wise up.

Can I be Russia?

sounds good.

My request of nation is quite unusual, because it is not recognized as a nation itself but mainly as a nationalist faction in Scotland against the creation of the UK: the scottish jacobites of the highlands, even when they were smashed by english in the 1770s.... If it is a revolution era, I want to play as the may be more radical revolutionaries apart from the jacobine party in France (the Mountain.) And it would add more peril to the UK (and excitement to the rp) the fact of having a extremely radical "nation" willing to ally with Napoleon in Britain itself.... That´s why I ask to create, even when it´s not historically accurate (but absolute accuracy makes no point of doing a rp at all because if it is 100% accurate the rp would have to imitate the real events and that´s history, not rp) an independent kingdom in Northern Scotland, may be because the rebels of Scotland were left alone when the english were extremely concerned with foreign affairs, without knowing the secessionist party was still quite alive in the Highlands, not recognized of course by the UK or its allies (for them it is only a rebel faction) but may be important for Napoleon if he manages to scape from the blockade....
If that is not possible, I humbly request the Empire of Fez and Morocco

For Siap, it wasn´t the Duchy of Tuscany the kingdom that reunified Italy, it was Piamont-Sardinia.... (Vittorio Emannuele I was first the king of Piamont Sardinia...) Another fact is that for the reunification of Italy apart from the more known Garibaldi (and his red shirts), another two men had great importance in the process: Mazzini and Camilo Benso, the Comte of Cavour....

Ciamoley, Russia it is.

Montegrande, it would be unfair to allow you to do that without the approval of the UK player. You can always rp a rebellion starting from a historical point though. If the Uk player doesn't allow you to do the first, and you don't want to do the second, I will give you Fez and Morocco.

So, Thomish Kingdoms, is what Montegrande wants acceptable to you?

For Siap, it wasn´t the Duchy of Tuscany the kingdom that reunified Italy, it was Piamont-Sardinia.... (Vittorio Emannuele I was first the king of Piamont Sardinia...) Another fact is that for the reunification of Italy apart from the more known Garibaldi (and his red shirts), another two men had great importance in the process: Mazzini and Camilo Benso, the Comte of Cavour....

I know and understand this, but I was under the impression that I was being asked to run the Italian state when it formed. I chose the Duchy of Tuscany, because, well, frankly I ike it, and I may not be able to post often enough to be Piamont-Sardinia. If no one else has/will claim Piamont-Sardinia at the end of signing up I will take it.

May I take France, please? I'm a big French fan, and I can be quite active, especially for a Napoleonic Game thrust right into the era. Many of these start too soon or too late.

Siap: Thank you for the explanation. It is quite good for me, and Tuscany is a quite interesting state (the legacy of Cosme I of Tuscany is quite interesting, indeed...)

Elite Battle Hordes: I am aware that the fair thing is asking Thomish Kingdoms, and that´s why I also had like second idea Fez and Morocco. My idea is to play with an unusual nation, and bring new elements to the game. Even when I´m not playing with scot nationalists, Fez and Morocco seems (as well as Algers) a nation not too interesting about being a superpower of the time, but has a great charm for the fact that romantic admiration of muslim culture make these muslim countries quite interesting at the time(historically and culturally)... With Fez and Morocco I have an idea of a cultural rebirth of the muslim tradition (which is interesting knowing that a part of Europe of the time admired deeply the muslim legacy) and also updating the armies of the sultan.... Thanks for the acceptance, though :D

Hevena, you are France.

Montegrande, ok, we'll just wait and see what Thomish Kingdoms says.

Everyone, now that we have a France we are basically ready to start. It would be nice to have a few more nations but this will do. I will post the IC thread tomorrow. Everybody make your dn/factbook (whatever you want to call it) before you start.

CHINA ND

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492144

THE DRAGON SHALL AWAKE!

(quote by Napoleon - ‘China is a sleeping giant. Let her lie and sleep, for when she awakens she will astonish the world.’ or something like that)

It is still a work in progress

I have changed my mind.. I will go just with Fez and Morocco. I have found that the sands of the Magreb are more excitement than rocky scottish Highlands..... I would like to post about the awakening of the western muslims, but mantaining their culture...

Can i please have Sweden? I mean since I'm Norwegian and Denmark-Norway is already taken I might go with Sweden. ?

OOC:

Danish News & Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492148)

I Have the basics posted, but it is still under construction.

Would it be ok if I took Piedmont-Sardinia if I may not be able to post more that once a day at times? Since I already control Tuscany, I might just have Piedmont-Sardinia annex Tuscany, since Tuscany was later annexed by them?

May I be the young United States of America.

May I have the Qajar Dynasty (Persia)?

Here is the Factbook for the Ottoman Empire

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492153

There's a good website out there that would have the population of quite a few nations out there, including mine, does anybody have this? Somebody sentit to me a while back, but I deleted it.

Would it be ok if I took Piedmont-Sardinia if I may not be able to post more that once a day at times? Since I already control Tuscany, I might just have Piedmont-Sardinia annex Tuscany, since Tuscany was later annexed by them?

If you want to change that is fine. Although you will have to rp the annexation of Tuscany either politically or militarily. (I can't tell if you are suggesting otherwise.)

Everyone who requested a nation had been added.

Zelron, does your 40 million figure include Egypt? I'm not saying I don't believe the figure, it sounds about right, I'm just wondering.

I think it's just the Balkans, Asia Minor, the Middle East, and the Vassal States that are under my control.

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Europe/europe.html#I

Has the population of many countries of this time.

Factbook ~ http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11378624#post11378624

Do we start JAN 1800 or just 1800 in general? just a curiosity...

If you want to change that is fine. Although you will have to rp the annexation of Tuscany either politically or militarily. (I can't tell if you are suggesting otherwise.)


RPing the annexation of Tuscany is no problem, and since not as many people are signing as I thought would, I would prefer piedmont-sardinia.

January first seems good. We will go two month per real day during peace, I think, and a month every other day during war... unless anyone has any objections.

Siap, you are now Piedmont-Sardinia.

may i have Ireland??

Russia's Factbook:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492169

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11379760#post11379760

there is Austria for you, went through some pains to get accurate numbers.

Maldorians, Ireland was owned by the UK at this time, so no.

I won't be able to post the IC thread until at least two PM (central time) tomorrow. Well, I could post it now, but I would rather not.

French factbook:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11380751#post11380751

Not done.

Oh, and Siap. Sardinia Piedmont, by 1800 has been reduced to Sardinia. Piedmont is under the occupation of French troops. So annexing Tuscany would be near impossible at this point. ;)

I take Pakistan then.

Drake, this will be an obvious choice to you.

I'd like Spain please. Oh and ask Hevena, I have plenty of experience with Spain lol.

I take Pakistan then.

OOC: As of the year of 1800, there is no officially recognized nation of Pakistan. However, there are still several independent states in the Indian sub-continent region as depicted in the map below:

Map of India 1785 (http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clday/gifs/india1785.jpg)

[Note: Many of the southern Dravidian States (Carnatic, Nizam Dominions), long with the majority of the Ganges River Valley (Including Oudh) are under the control of the United Kingdom as of 1800. Currently, the British are engaged in a military campaign against the territories of Mysore and the legendary Tipu Sultan]

OOC: Due to various pressing concerns, I believe I will no longer be able to fufill the duties of a major nation-state like Denmark. Thus, as of this date, I would like to withdraw my claim from the Kingdom of Denmark-Norway.

Instead, as I would enjoy to continue Role-Playing with you guys, I would like to claim the Electorate of Saxony.

Thank you.

can i take singh?

Here is Fez And Morocco`s news and events thread It is for now incomplete, but it will do for now.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11383526#post11383526

can i take singh?

If you want India, take the Mughals - they're in decline, but the British don't officially out them until later in century.

Spanish Factbook:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11384297#post11384297

Ok, everyone who requested a nation (that actually existed at this time) has been added. Here is the IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11385165#post11385165).

one last question

for Troop movements shall we just say or order troops to be moved than the next day (2 months in game time for peace, 1 for war) they wiill be there?

you're out to give me big headaches, ah?

now I've got to update my diplomacy list!

:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

Scharnhorst-Prussia: I have to inform you that my nation (Fez and Morocco) was the first to recognize the independence of USA in 1777. Also, the US signed a peace treaty in effect since 1783, and had stablished their embassy (the first embassy of the US) in Morocco in 1799. Since 1799 is so near the thread initiaton may be it could be interesting to arrange a meeting between the consul and the Sultan...

The historical information of the relationship between Morocco and the US it is also in the diplomacy section of the factbook of Fez and Morocco....

one last question

for Troop movements shall we just say or order troops to be moved than the next day (2 months in game time for peace, 1 for war) they wiill be there?

Basically, yeah. I don't know what else you would do. I mean, it depends on how far you are moving. If you are going ten miles it won't take two months. (Actually its 2 during peace and .5 during war.)

OOC: Electorate of Saxony News & Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11386661#post11386661)

Piedmont-Sardinia Factbook and News (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11386907#post11386907)

Ciamoley, Russia it is.

Montegrande, it would be unfair to allow you to do that without the approval of the UK player. You can always rp a rebellion starting from a historical point though. If the Uk player doesn't allow you to do the first, and you don't want to do the second, I will give you Fez and Morocco.

So, Thomish Kingdoms, is what Montegrande wants acceptable to you?


No, The United Kingdom is the United Kingdom, sorry

Thomish Kingdoms: I´m sorry to inform you I have already renounced to a scottish rebellion and control Fez and Morocco instead. However, this mistake raises an interesting point, that is this: If you take a nation like UK you should post more regularly and no with two or three days intervals (that is a privilege reserved for little states, as Fez and Morocco itself...)

Thomish Kingdoms: I´m sorry to inform you I have already renounced to a scottish rebellion and control Fez and Morocco instead. However, this mistake raises an interesting point, that is this: If you take a nation like UK you should post more regularly and no with two or three days intervals (that is a privilege reserved for little states, as Fez and Morocco itself...)

And you should know this is only the sign up stages and I was the second nation to do that. I am waiteing for the game to begin. So be quite.:D

The game hadalready begun... and that´s my point :rolleyes:

PS: I think you should read all the posts of the sign up thread, there´s also the IC thread...

The game hadalready begun... and that´s my point :rolleyes:

PS: I think you should read all the posts of the sign up thread, there´s also the IC thread...

no, It hasent. where is the game Thread? this is sign up...

We are prob ready to start now. Once every one has done a thread about there nation.

You should read the ENTIRE Sign up thread: the IC thread was posted yesterday.....
The link IS in this thread, but I think it´s necessary to post (again) the link

Here it is:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492328

I meant to edit it into my first post but forgot. It's there now so everyone should be able to find it.

don't we need Norway-Denmark? I mean they were quite important during the Napoleon wars?

You should read the ENTIRE Sign up thread: the IC thread was posted yesterday.....
The link IS in this thread, but I think it´s necessary to post (again) the link

Here it is:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492328

Thnakyou..I must of missed it as I read all the posts today.

Here is my Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492384

don't we need Norway-Denmark? I mean they were quite important during the Napoleon wars?

You can switch to them if you would like. Otherwise, there really isn't anything I can do.

how do we do the weekly schedule of months?

my guess:

mon - JAN/FEB
tues - MAR/APR
wed - MAY/JUN
thur - JUL/AUG
fri - SEP/OCT
sat - NOV/DEC
sun - ?

OK. Since I believe that Denmark-Norway is more important then Sweden I will change country. I will delete my posting made as Sweden and continue playing as Norway-Denmark.

Although it had been mostly destroyed during the times of the Mongols but could be repaired.

Actually, the Silk Road flourished under the Mongols - the time during which Marco Polo supposedly visited China. It died due to regional conflicts in Central Asia and the eventual decline of interest by the Qing Dynasty, who preferred a more centralized position to control the trade of the Empire [for "foreign" nations, trade was restricted at Guangzhou - for "inner" nations, trade could go either to the Imperial Palace in form of caravan tribute or to Guangzhou.

Besides that, the Ottoman Empire only controls a small fraction of the Silk Road, much of which must pass through Central Asia (jointly owned by Russia, Persia, and some other Turkic states). Of course, there's nothing wrong with renovating your part of it, since it leads straight to Istanbul anyway.

I was going to rebuild the road in just my area so it would spark trade in my country and serve as a trade route for merchants in Europe and the Middle East, plus I could use it for troop movements. The road would lead into Europe and to the Mediterrenean Sea from the Perisan Gulf, so anything that needed to get to or brought from the Far East could come through my nation and be to ports on the Mediterrenean and sail to Europe. This way it would only have to go over land in my country and when it arrives in the target country. Otherwise it's on the ocean or sea. Hopefully this way it could save time from having to go over land all the way to Europe, or on the oceans to get there.

Thomish Kingdoms: No problem, and sorry if I was a bit irritated in my answers, but you were the only big nation that didn´t post its factbook....

how do we do the weekly schedule of months?

my guess:

mon - JAN/FEB
tues - MAR/APR
wed - MAY/JUN
thur - JUL/AUG
fri - SEP/OCT
sat - NOV/DEC
sun - ?

Don't post on Sunday. For it is the sabath, and we must keep it holy. Actually, Sunday would be Jan/Feb again. There are only six days in a year during peace. During war there are 26. We may not continue at this slow of a pace during peace. Seeing as how unlike so many rps starting in 1900 we have over two hundred years until we would get to the present. Not that I expect to get that far, but one can dream. If we assume that France is defeated and we have a Congress of Vienna, or wherever, then maybe after that we will advance six months per day until another war breaks out somewhere. That's just a possibility though, I'm sure many people joined because they liked the era and are in no rush to get out of it.

Kamasha, make sure to get your factbook up.

Everybody, I think it would be wise to pause everything until we can get a new Austria.

Don't post on Sunday. For it is the sabath, and we must keep it holy. Actually, Sunday would be Jan/Feb again. There are only six days in a year during peace. During war there are 26. We may not continue at this slow of a pace during peace. Seeing as how unlike so many rps starting in 1900 we have over two hundred years until we would get to the present. Not that I expect to get that far, but one can dream. If we assume that France is defeated and we have a Congress of Vienna, or wherever, then maybe after that we will advance six months per day until another war breaks out somewhere. That's just a possibility though, I'm sure many people joined because they liked the era and are in no rush to get out of it.

OOC: Indeed I do agree that a faster time progression needs to be developed. After all, I believe one of the primary reasons RP's such as this die, is because players quickly become bored as they wait for their plans to come to fruition. Thus, if we are to be remotely successful, an alternative to the standard "week per year" must be developed.

Here are some of my proposed ideas:

1 Day = 1 Season (Spring, Summer, Fall)
1 Day = 3 Months
1 Week = 3 Years (Essentially, for that entire week, players are allowed to RP any event within that 3 year period)

And I'm sure other members may have their own ideas as to a viable solution.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11397170#post11397170
her is the Denmark-Norway fact book

Ok we need a new Austria a new France :confused:

I am just going to create a new sign up thread (later today) that should get a new Austria and France quicker. Everyone who has already posted their factbook I will automatically sign up as their current nation so there is no need to post a claim.

OOC: In the IC Lachenburg offered to replace Austria and I offered to be the new France if that makes that the thread resumes as quick as possible (I want to use this two weeks of more free time...) The show must go on, and I can give up my ideas with Fez and Morocco for that.

TO ALL PROSPECTIVE PLAYERS!

This RP thread is looking for a few more good Rpers, willing to make history in any country available to them in a realistic but fun manner starting in the year 1800 to whatever year we can come. TG Elite Battle Hordes or post here for more info and lay your claim before the good countries run out!!!

bump

It is fair to say that this thread died...

i wont be able to do the austria thing until 8/16 sorry guys... if you wait till then I can play, however I wouldnt advise that.