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Hey, man, this is a character RP. Cut it down to one or two characters, and pick a squad from 1-3.

This is Nam, man. They barely had organised squads back then... let alone fireteams.

K I'll only use one from the above:

Private: Bradley “Ike” Eisenhower
Designated Marksman
Weapons: M-14, M-1911, 4 Frag grenades, 2 claymore mines, 2 smoke grenades, and a LAW.

Volunteered
Caucasian
US Army Resserveist (ROTC-Colledge boy)

1st or 2nd Squad (whichever doesnt have a Designated Marksman yet assigned)

K I'll only use one from the above:

Private: Bradley “Ike” Eisenhower
Designated Marksman
Weapons: M-14, M-1911, 4 Frag grenades, 2 claymore mines, 2 smoke grenades, and a LAW.

Volunteered
Caucasian
US Army Resserveist (ROTC-Colledge boy)

1st or 2nd Squad (whichever doesnt have a Designated Marksman yet assigned)


Ok, I'll find and update the list in a sec. I'm going to start the RP back at Camp Eagle, let everyone get organized, and have fun, then we'll start another mission.

2nd squad

Did the Airborne have designated marksman doctrine back then?

2nd squad

Did the Airborne have designated marksman doctrine back then?


Some units had snipers. Generally snipers operated on their own or with a spotter like they do now. But we'll let the general rules slide, since it did happen ;)

Say, doesnt any of your characters do drugs?

I find it odd that none do...

Say, doesnt any of your characters do drugs?

I find it odd that none do...
Well, both my characters are heads.

mrt

mrt

*Takes Fangmania in a manly fashion*
*Explodes*

*Takes Fangmania in a manly fashion*
*Explodes*
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

That I took him in a manly fashion and then exploded.

That I took him in a manly fashion and then exploded.
Thanks, that really clears it up.

Thanks, that really clears it up.

No problem, Im glad that helped you :p

*Waddles into thread*
*Explodes*
You seem to have a thing for exploding. And waddling.

You seem to have a thing for exploding. And waddling.

I just picked that from SiL over at PAvP :D

He kinda' likes Penguins. Like, a lot.

I just picked that from SiL over at PAvP :D

He kinda' likes Penguins. Like, a lot.
Secksually?

People keep talking about PAvP, what is it?

Not Sexually.

@ Titawon

www.planetavp.com
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetavp/active.asp
www.forumplanet.com/planetavp

2nd squad

Did the Airborne have designated marksman doctrine back then?

The US Army had marksmen since the revolution, and noteably during the civil war.

And I know there where designated Marksmen during the 1st World War.

So I'm pretty sure you'll find designated Marksman in Vietnam (One even used an M-2 Browning Machine gun, but that guy was a little odd and non-typical).

The US Army had marksmen since the revolution, and noteably during the civil war.

And I know there where designated Marksmen during the 1st World War.

So I'm pretty sure you'll find designated Marksman in Vietnam (One even used an M-2 Browning Machine gun, but that guy was a little odd and non-typical).
Snipers/marksmen and desingnated marksmen are different. And, no, DMs are a recent doctrine. There weren't any DMs in WWII, and I doubt there were in Vietnam.

Snipers/marksmen and desingnated marksmen are different. And, no, DMs are a recent doctrine. There weren't any DMs in WWII, and I doubt there were in Vietnam.


In WWII every unit had a designated Marksmen. Ever heard of the company sniper? There aren't any anymore. Snipers work on they're own now on the Scout Sniper basis. That started in Vietnam, though some men did have sniper rifles in infantry companies.


Just looked it up in One Shot One Kill

In WWII every unit had a designated Marksmen. Ever heard of the company sniper? There aren't any anymore. Snipers work on they're own now on the Scout Sniper basis. That started in Vietnam, though some men did have sniper rifles in infantry companies.


Just looked it up in One Shot One Kill
For WWII, yes, there were company snipers, but DMs are supposed to be one per squad, hence the Israeli term "Squad Sniper".

I Wikied it.

Why else do you think the Soviets had built the SKS and a certain number of Americans kept the M-14?

I may have messed up his title, but his job is the same. (Though I could just call him a marksman and leave it at that)

I Wikied it.

Why else do you think the Soviets had built the SKS and a certain number of Americans kept the M-14?
I just Wikied the term "Designated Marksmen". It says "squad-level sniper", used in the Marine Corp, Soviet Army, and IDF. Not US Army.

M-14 was kept because of its reliability and stopping power, compared to the M-16.

I just Wikied the term "Designated Marksmen". It says "squad-level sniper", used in the Marine Corp, Soviet Army, and IDF. Not US Army.

M-14 was kept because of its reliability and stopping power, compared to the M-16.

May he be a simple Marksman then?

A marksman is mostly to be found in a military context. He is trained to shoot precisely with a certain type of rifle. Some military doctrines use marksmen attached to an infantry squad. In that capacity the marksman takes accurate longer range shots at valuable targets as needed, thus extending the reach of the squad.

Another term for a marksman is a sharpshooter. In both the United States Army and the United States Marine Corps the progressive sequence of skills is marksman-sharpshooter-expert.

The United States Army wanted an accurate sniper rifle during the Vietnam War. It selected the M14 because of its accuracy, reliability, and the ability for a quick second shot.
Another Source (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm)
Note that it says very clearly "selected by the US Army".

OK. Since i'm new here, too lazy to read the 19 pages on the IC thread, and cant gather any info out of the last couple pages can someone tell me wuts happening?

We went into a hot zone, captured a village, encountered NVA and retreated back to the LZ under heavy fire..

The area was hit hard by a fly over too....

Expected enemy strength was around 3-400...

We went into a hot zone, captured a village, encountered NVA and retreated back to the LZ under heavy fire..

The area was hit hard by a fly over too....

enemy strength was around 3-400...

OK, ok I get it. No need to TRIPLE post lol :p

Oops lol, sooo thats all she wrote.....

Our soldiers are headed back to base, for a bit of R&R i think...

So then I am jsut one of the former NPC soldiers?

Uhhh, did you post charactor stats already??

Oh hey man! Whats up?
Grr why dont you come on anymore? We could use some good terrorists :p

To reallydrunk yes I did.

Grr why dont you come on anymore? We could use some good terrorists :p


I've been ungodly busy with RPs here. I'll be on again soon though :)

Lol you got replaced by TSRM as Italy on WW2ALT though.

I have alot of Rp's on the go, including a Rome offsite Rp...

Lol you got replaced by TSRM as Italy on WW2ALT though.


Yeah I know. Recon was pissed lol

Reallydrunk: V3?

Reallydrunk']I have alot of Rp's on the go, including a Rome offsite Rp...


Hey Reallydrunk, would you mind giving me the link to the SPQR site? I lost it!!!

Wanderjar: What squad am I in and what am I doing at the present time? How do I make my entrance? Just take over one of the NPC's as my guy?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberated New Ireland
I just Wikied the term "Designated Marksmen". It says "squad-level sniper", used in the Marine Corp, Soviet Army, and IDF. Not US Army.

M-14 was kept because of its reliability and stopping power, compared to the M-16.


May he be a simple Marksman then?


Quote:
Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marksman
A marksman is mostly to be found in a military context. He is trained to shoot precisely with a certain type of rifle. Some military doctrines use marksmen attached to an infantry squad. In that capacity the marksman takes accurate longer range shots at valuable targets as needed, thus extending the reach of the squad.

Another term for a marksman is a sharpshooter. In both the United States Army and the United States Marine Corps the progressive sequence of skills is marksman-sharpshooter-expert.



Quote:
Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M21_%28rifle%29
The United States Army wanted an accurate sniper rifle during the Vietnam War. It selected the M14 because of its accuracy, reliability, and the ability for a quick second shot.

Another Source
Note that it says very clearly "selected by the US Army".

As for Gunworld, it says the M21 was selected for snipers, not DMs.
And for the Wiki article, its for marksmen, not Designated Marksmen. It says "Some military doctrines use marksmen attached to an infantry squad," but the US Army during Vietnam is not one of them. I mean, think about it: it makes no sense to commit a large portion of your human resources towards sharpshooting, when the visual range for most of the terrain in Nam is short to medium, because of the jungles and the humidity. Close-to-medium-range battle rifles would be far more effective in such an environment.

Bump, by the way.

That or even submachine guns. Lots of spray for little range.

They still wanted an accurate sniper rifle during that war. At least that is what the official US Army line was.

Could have simply been that they wanted a gun that could actually kill people beyond point blank with something of a less than fatal hit. (they doubted the lethality of the 5.56 mm)

Compared to the underpowered ,223, the .308 had the power to plow through reletively large amounts of vegitation. (the .308 case simply has more powder and a better mass to drag ratio)

At least those where common beliefs at the time, and some people still live by it.

As for the dm issue, fine there may not be any in the US Army, and the concept of squad snipers was on the way out after the 60's after they started picking up Anti-tank rifles and started shooting them at people at almost insane ranges (they sort of copied the Soviet Union on that subject).

But chances are someone with a better than average shot and an accurized rifle would follow most units as small as a squad if the conditions demanded it.

(I recall a really simple veitnam war simulation in which you always had at least one grenadier, and M-60 in every unit, and almost always a sniper in any unit bigger than 20 troops [the grenadier often died first though, no matter what you did])