NationStates Jolt Archive

This Rp, as the name suggests, starts in 270 B.C. in the nations surrounding the Mediterranean Sea. This map (http://www.houseofptolemy.org/graphics/270bce.gif) shows most of the nations available. There are, however, a few nations not on the map. One is Parthia. Also, besides the Achaean and Aetolian Leagues there are powerful Greek city-states such as Syracuse and Sparta. If you want to pick any of them, go ahead.
As far as barbarian groups go, such as the Celtic and Iberian Tribes and the Illyrians, if you want to be them you can't be united as they weren't historically, you can only be on of their tribes.

I am thinking of having 1 day equal six months game time. I am sure everyone knows the rules, godmodding and whatnot. I'll start as soon as we have enough people signed up.


Claims

Roman Republic: Elite Battle Hordes
Macedon: Lyon county
Helvetti: Breitenburg
Carthage: Thrashia
Seleucid Empire: Visha
Ptolemaic Empire: [NS::]Reallydrunk
Caledonii: Trogdori
Scythia: The Xeno



IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11354604#post11354604)

I am interested in joining but I am stuck between Selucids, Ptolemaics and Armenia.

Yes, it is sometimes hard to decide on only one nation. I would pick the Ptolemaics. But that's just me.

I'll take macedon.

Macedon it is.

I think for this one I'll be a Germanic tribe. Is that okay Elite Battle Hoards?

Any idea which Germanic tribe you want to be?

Any idea which Germanic tribe you want to be?

uhhh... Visigoths cool with you?

The Visagoths did not exist in 270 BC. You'd be more set to be something along the lines of the Helvetti or other clans in the Rhine area.

And I would like to claim Carthage. This should be interesting.

The Visagoths did not exist in 270 BC. You'd be more set to be something along the lines of the Helvetti or other clans in the Rhine area.

And I would like to claim Carthage. This should be interesting.

That's cool. I really don't care which tribe, I just want to be Germanic.

Both added.

Bump.

Hey I have quite a futuristic army list so I don't get exactly how I'm gona do this but I guese I could right a new one. Ya that sounds good or are you going to tell us what we have well I think no matter what I'd like to be a scotish tribe. No weapon like a nice big claymor:D !

i want to change to sparta.

The Caledonii were a Scottish tribe, would you like to be them? Okay, Lyon county, you are now Sparta.

thanks

I will be Egypt....

Rameses III, the last great king's reign isn't it?

Ptolemy II Philadelphus was ruler of "Egypt" during this time. Rameses III was Pharaoh nearly one thousand years earlier. This is Ptolemaic Egypt, not really Egyptian but one of the heirs of Alexander the Great's empire. Do you still want to be them?

Ok, i was unfamiliar with that time period..but i'll play..

I want to be the Selucid Empire. Also, I believe NS Reallydrunk took Egypt.

Elite Battle Hordes, I have a question. How would we take lands in conquest that no one owns?

Ptolemy II Philadelphus was ruler of "Egypt" during this time. Rameses III was Pharaoh nearly one thousand years earlier. This is Ptolemaic Egypt, not really Egyptian but one of the heirs of Alexander the Great's empire. Do you still want to be them?

that can not be. Alexander the great lived after that. (356 BC — 323 BC) which is aftyer this takes place.

at this point egypt is under persion rule

Ok, [NS::]Reallydrunk, you are the Ptolemaic Empire. Visha, you are the Seleucid Empire. Lyon, 270 B.C. is after 323 B.C.; you seem to be forgetting that with B.C. time advances towards zero.

Ok, [NS::]Reallydrunk, you are the Ptolemaic Empire. Visha, you are the Seleucid Empire. Lyon, 270 B.C. is after 323 B.C.; you seem to be forgetting that with B.C. time advances towards zero.

it happens before.

Huh?

Huh?

Alexender the great was born in 356 BC, sinmce BC time counts down that makes the setting of this RP 14 years before he was born and since he not been bhorn he can't have hiers and Ptolemaic Egypt will not even exist for another 47 years.

This rp is set in 270 B.C. not 370 B.C.


How would we take lands in conquest that no one owns?

Sorry for not answering this earlier, I somehow missed it. Presumably we would have an impartial player rp that tribe/nation for the duration of the war.

crap for some reason i kept thinking 256 not 356. my bad.:headbang:

It happens to the best of us. Now if we could only get a couple more people to join we'd be ready.

Ya sure I'll be those guys they sound prety cool. So are we just going to make our own army lists of our tribes and post them, are you going to tell us what we get or something else?

Sry about my out of context post but I asked to be put on earlyer ank I didn't realize there was a second page and I only saw the thing about a scotish tribe I could be so I didn't know that my respose would apear on this page because I didn't know that this page existed sry. Well I would like to be that scotish tribe sounds great to me sry I didn't respond erlier before there was this page but I was doing other stuff. Sry again I should have remembered to go on earlyer. :headbang:

Okay, you have been added as the Caledonii. As far as what forces you have, you decide that on your own. Although your numbers have to be reasonable or else I will have to ask you to change them. Research the Caledonii and what kind of troops they had and about how many they were able to field and you won't go wrong.

can you please set a maximum number of troops we can have (but we of course have less strong troops then weak troops) so that just because we chose a certian culture we get an advantage or dissadvantage and it doesn't depend upon your culture but your tacktacks I think that would be more fair because then everybody could start off basacly evenly matched. and also if we're using a tribe or culture that we don't know anything about then we won't have to do as much research and we'll just need to find out what kind of wepions they use it would save us all a bunch of trouble mae the game even and fair and make it start faster, and thier are no disadvantages that I can think of. Also if you like we could all vote on it then we'de all get are say and the majoraty of people would be happy. Oh ya and could you start giving us some background info on how all these compleatly different cultures and tribes came together and some of the storyline. Also after thinking for a while I have decided that I want to be a tribe that is not in history I want my tribe to be completely costom made by me. I make up the history I make up thier battle tacktacs thier favored wepions, everything about them! That way I can completely duplicate thier battle tacktacs because of corse I made. If you will alow me to do this then I will lay out a history of my tribe and all about it including its name as soon as you say yes if as I hope you will. I hope like my ideas pease respond soon.

I don't mean to be rude... but is English your first language?

Anyway, I won't make every nation equal, nor can you make up an ahistorical nation. As far as numbers go, the Caledonii were fairly small, so, 35k troops total. Presumably you would not come into contact with any other players for some time and could thus expand during that time. So, by the time the Romans, Carthaginians, or whoever, arrive you would have more troops available.

Also, everyone, we start on Thursday regardless of whether or not we can get anyone else to join before then.

Well I guess it sounds about fair and makes more sence. Oh ya and yes english is my first language but its the summer. Why bother spelling right in the summer. I'm just trying to relax. Oh ya also should we post our army lists or should we telegram them to you to keep them secret.

You don't really need to do either. Just wait until you are at war and then list the forces you are using.

O.K. sounds good to me I guess. Now I'm gona go kill people in some random war game. :mp5: Muhohahahaha...{couph couhp} ( I put the brakets around couph couph because they look nice. and yes I know I spelled couph rong and rong rong so don't say anything bad about my spelling.)

Right. Anyway, everyone else still here?

If it is ok with everyone, I would be willing to supply information pertaining to certain economic, military, and population factors concerning our rp. I happen to be a bit of a historian, Really Drunk is familiar with me so he knows that I will be brutally honest and fair. So, how about it?

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Also, concerning the Egypt thing and just to say some cool facts: After Alexander's death, his generals and companions chose to split his empire apart in turns, those who had been with him for the longest recieved the larger pieces, etc. From this was born the Seleucid Empire, Pontus, Macedon, and Egypt (the Ptolemaic Age some call it); as well as some minor other kingdoms. After Alexander's death the Greek city-states formed the Agaean League, a close, tight-nit, group that vowed never to be conquered by another foreign power as they had under the Macedonians.

Macedon
The Macedonians themselves soon fell from their former glory thanks to the political infighting that took place between the remnants of Alexander's family and the General (cant remember which off the top of my head) who was given Macedon to rule. Thrace became independant for the first time in some 50 years, as did Epirus which was the city-state of Ephesus a trade powerhouse on the Mediterranean Sea (much like the old Phoenicians). However its slight decline the Macedonians still retain a splendid, if somewhat depleted, army. They also have strong ties through trade to the Greek city-states, Thrace, and to the kingdoms of Asia Minor (ie Selucid Empire).

Strengths
Good Army
Great Respect among nations
Unified rule
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weaknesses
In-fighting among the ruling family
Weak ties to the Greeks
Some hatred aimed at them by former Alexandrian provinces
The hypothetical 'falling star' of the region

Rome
Also at this time Rome is a Republic, meaning that it is bound by its Senate and the will of its people. It has established an alliance between all the city-states of Italy, some are more tight than others but that is what happens in alliances; they however achieved their aims and formed the Latin League. This combined some of Rome's greatest enemies on the Italian mainland, most notably the Samnites and the Sabines. Rome went on to gain international prestige due to defeating the great general Pyrrhus of Epirus, who was considered the greatest general since Alexander in a series of wars in 283 B.C. Thanks to these conquests and victories of the past a great amount of man-power is given unto Rome for her Legions.

Strengths
Good Army
Large population

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Weaknesses
Loose latin alliance
Gallic Threat to the north
No great navy for either war or trade
Senate makes decisions slowly

Carthage
However at this time Carthage has the greatest monopoly of trade throughout the Meditteranean, most notably the monopoly on tin ore which is used by all the great nations of the middle sea. Carthage also has great stock set in its conquest of southern Iberia from where they have withdrawn millions in gold cesterces; all this making them the most powerful economically within the world in 270 BC. Part of this is because Carthage is the only nation that knows how to get safely to Britain by which they recieve large amounts of tin and fierce warriors for hire to fight in their wars. The same could be said of their trade agreements and mutual alliance with the kingdom of Numidia. Carthage sets the example of economic and trade through its advanced textiles of cotton, linen, wool, and silk, artistic and functional pottery, faience, incense, and perfumes. It worked with glass, wood, alabaster, ivory, bronze, brass, lead, gold, silver, and precious stones to create a wide array of goods, including mirrors, highly-admired furniture and cabinetry, beds, bedding, and pillows, jewelry, arms, implements, and household items. It traded in salted Atlantic fish and fish sauce, and brokered the manufactured, agricultural, and natural products of most every Mediterranean people.

Strength
Trade Monopoly
Greatest Fleet (militarily and trade)
Great Wealth
Alliances with Britian and Numidia allow for strong mercenary armies
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Weaknesses
No true Carthaginian standing army
Council of Elders (rulers) sometimes split and divided

Egypt
Perdiccas appointed Ptolemy, one of Alexander's closest companions, to be satrap of Egypt. Ptolemy ruled Egypt from 323 BC, nominally in the name of the joint kings Philip III and Alexander IV. However, as Alexander the Great's empire disintegrated, Ptolemy soon established himself as ruler in his own right. Ptolemy successfully defended Egypt against an invasion by Perdiccas in 321 BC, and consolidated his position in Egypt and the surrounding areas during the Wars of the Diadochi (322 BC-301 BC). In 305 BC, Ptolemy took the title of King. As Ptolemy I Soter ("Saviour"), he founded the Ptolemaic dynasty that was to rule Egypt for nearly 300 years.

The early Ptolemies did not disturb the religion or the customs of the Egyptians, and indeed built magnificent new temples for the Egyptian gods and soon adopted the outward display of the Pharaohs of old. During the reign of Ptolemies II and III thousands of Macedonian and Greek veterans were rewarded with grants of farm lands, and Greeks were planted in colonies and garrisons or settled themselves in the villages throughout the country. This allowed for the ruling king to have a strong, if somewhat limited, veteran force of fighting men to use in the training of future soldiers and to defend his kingdom at the present.

Ptolemy II Philadelphus, who succeeded his father as King of Egypt in 283 BC, was a peaceable and cultured king, and no great warrior. He did not need to be, because his father had left Egypt strong and prosperous. Three years of campaigning at the start of his reign left Ptolemy the master of the eastern Mediterranean, controlling the Aegean islands and the coastal districts of Cilicia, Pamphylia, Lycia and Caria.

Ptolemy's first wife, Arsinoe I, daughter of Lysimachus, was the mother of his legitimate children. After her repudiation he followed Egyptian custom and married his sister, Arsinoë II. The material and literary splendour of the Alexandrian court was at its height under Ptolemy II. Callimachus, keeper of the Library of Alexandria, Theocritus and a host of other poets, glorified the Ptolemaic family. Ptolemy himself was eager to increase the library and to patronise scientific research. He spent lavishly on making Alexandria the economic, artistic and intellectual capital of the Greek world. It is to the academies and libraries of Alexandria that we owe the preservation of so much of the literary heritage of Ancient Greece. This allows for Egypt to have the best advances in science and literary, as well as psycology, throughout the world. Many nations send their heirs and princes to learn at the great schools in Egypt by which they pay large lavish sums to have their children be to the Egyptian king.

Strengths
Greatest schools and libraries in all the world
Advanced sciences
small core of a strong veteran army
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Weaknesses
Dynastic rule (Egyptian type)
Sometimes questionable and unruly populace
No great military force
Lead by a good thinker but no great general

Seleucid Empire
Seleucus, one of Alexander's generals, established himself in Babylon in 312 BC, used as the foundation date of the Seleucid Empire. He ruled over not only Babylonia, but the entire enormous eastern part of Alexander's Empire. Following his and Lysimachus' victory over Antigonus Monophthalmus at the Battle of Ipsus in 301 BC, Seleucus took control over eastern Anatolia and northern Syria. In the latter area he founded a new capital at Antioch on the Orontes, a city he named after his father. An alternative capital was established at Seleucia on the Tigris, north of Babylon. Seleucus' empire reached its greatest extent following his defeat of his erstwhile ally, Lysimachus, at Corupedion in 281 BC. Seleucus expanded his control to encompass western Anatolia.

The Seleucid empire's geographic span, from the Aegean Sea to Afghanistan, brought together a multitude of races: Greeks, Persians, Medes, Jews, Indians, to mention only some. Its rulers were in the position of having a governing interest to implement a policy of racial unity initiated by Alexander. By 313 BC, Hellenic ideas had begun their almost 250-year expansion into the Near East, Middle East, and Central Asian cultures. It was the empire's governmental framework to rule by establishing hundreds of cities for trade and occupational purposes. Many of the existing cities began -- or were compelled by force -- to adopt Hellenized philosophic thought, religious sentiments, and politics. Synthesizing Hellenic and indigenous cultural, religious, and philosophical ideas met with varying degrees of success -- resulting in times of simultaneous peace and rebellion in various parts of the empire. He hoped further to take control of Lysimachus' lands in Europe - primarily Thrace and even Macedonia itself, but was assassinated by Ptolemy Ceraunus on landing in Europe. His son and successor, Antiochus I Soter, proved unable to pick up where his father had left off in conquering the European portions of Alexander's empire, but was left, nevertheless, with an enormous realm consisting of nearly all of the Asian portions of the Empire. His competitors were Antigonus II Gonatas in Macedonia and Ptolemy II Philadelphus in Egypt.

In 304 BC, Seleucus was defeated by Chandragupta Maurya (Sandrokottos), founder of the Maurya empire. It is said that Chandragupta fielded an army of 100,000 men and 9,000 war elephants, and forced Seleucus to cede territories in eastern and southern present-day Afghanistan. The peace was strengthened by an alliance guaranteed by Chandragupta's marriage with Seleucus' daughter. In exchange Chandragupta gave him no less than 500 elephants, an addition to his army that was to play a prominent part in his victory at Ipsus.

Strengths
Strong Army
Large Population
Allied with the Maurya Empire via marriage
Dominates the East
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Weaknesses
Unruly population
Divided via religion and culture
Large tracts of territory that are not always under control
Uneasy truce with Egypt and Macedon

Very good. Do you have any information on Sparta at this time? I know Sparta was rather weak (relatively speaking) at this time.

Speaking of which, Lyon county, I would advise you to switch from Sparta back to Macedon (or someone else) if you want to have a real chance at conquering anyone. If you don't though, that's fine with me too.

Could I jump in on this as Rome?

these are not the spartans that stood 300 strong against several hundered thousand?

No. The 300 Spartans died stopping a Persian invasion before Alexander, before the Pellopinesian Wars, even, when Sparta regained dominance over Athens.

No. The 300 Spartans died stopping a Persian invasion before Alexander, before the Pellopinesian Wars, even, when Sparta regained dominance over Athens.


it is the same culture that spawned them.

Arthur, you can't be Rome as it is taken (by me.) You can, however, be Macedon, Parthia, any of the barbarian tribes, or a Greek league or city-state.

Lyon county, yes it is the same culture, but they are not at their height any longer. Besides, even at their height they were just a city-state, never a large empire.

Is it possible for the Selucids to take over Armenia? Just curious and I wanted to get this off my chest. I am thinking on expanding the Empire, to make it run better.

Hey elite battle hordes you've told me about how many troops I can field with my tribe but do you know anything else, like what what kind of wepions did they use. I know they probably have claymores but do they use long range wepions at all and do they use blatent force or are they stealthy at the begining. I guess I'll just look them up but if anybody knows anything about them other then thier name and how many troops they can field please help me. Thank you.

O.k. I've now found a website about what kinds of arms and armour the calodonii had and aparentely acording to this website they rode tough fast moving ponies caried and I'm soposing they must have used one handed swords such as reletavely short longswords or the like and they used stealth at first while planing thier attacks witch they often carried out at night time and in these battles they rarely lost but in the open they were much more often betten. If you know that my guess or any of this information is wrong please tell me.

You sayed we would start on thursday its thursday lets start! Whats holding you up elite battle hordes! Or else you get it :sniper:! Just kidding ;).

Visha, of course you can conquer Armenia... or at least try. Whether or not you succeed depends on how well you do against whoever rps Armenia for you.

Trogdori, I will have to trust that your information is accurate as I don't know much about the Caledonii. The only known information about them comes from the Romans, who never actually conquered them. So information is relatively scarce and I would rather not do the research it would take to find it. If you want me to check your sources though just post them and I will.

Anyway, we are ready to start. I will create the IC thread in just a few minutes.

IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11354604#post11354604)

I just searched on google.

I wsih to switch back to Macedon.

I think that we should start tommorow but as soon as elite battle hordes gets on he'll post the time that we'll all go or everybody could post what times they can't do and then we just pick a time that the most people are free for and then we all meat at that time so we don't have to randomely wait for everybody to login before we get started. I'm gona let Elite battle hordes decide whether or not to do this so keep loging in regularly to see if he's posted a responce to this and if he says yes and he specifies a time then we can say whether that time is good for us or not. That will make it work out a lot better and make it so we can play at a good time for all of us. Thank you for listening to my idea (or rather reading it).

Trogdori, we don't need to be on at the same time. Just post your countries actions whenever.

Lyon county, you are Macedon once again.

So, I take that is a yes to my question back on page 3?

Sign me up for Scythia.

Oh ya sry about that I frogot what places can I attack right now. I froget and I don't have a globe handy.

Thrashia, yes. The Xeno, you have been added. Trogdori, just search for what other tribes were in Scotland/England at the time and attack one of them.

No offense, but good lord Trog. Please use spellcheck. Your typing is horrid, and it's quickly ruining any mood I had to play here.

I am going to have to agree, Trogdori, use spellcheck. Also, put "OOC" before any out of character (or should I say, nation) comments in the IC thread.

Ok then, thanks. If anyone has any questions on their nations size, number of troops you can actually use, if you really do not have the money to afford that, etc. I am your basic ancient historical compendium know-it-all. Good luck and see you in the IC thread.

The city of Rhegium in the toe of the Italian Peninsula falls to the Romans. Also, Hiero is now tyrant of Syracuse.

It is now 269 B.C.

I hope everyone is still here. I'm sure it will pick up as soon as a war breaks out somewhere. While we have all been doing nothing the Mamertines were defeated by Hiero II of Syracuse at the Longanus River. There is Samnite uprising in Italy right now. I think it is fairly small so I will just rp both sides. It is now 268 B.C. Historically this is when the Chremonidean War began. I don't know if the Ptolemaic Empire wants to try to convince to join them against Macedon like historically or not, but it would keep the thread going.

I guess it's now 267 B.C. But no one is posting. If someone doesn't post soon I am going to declare this rp dead.

Well, it was a good try. For now just remember the url of this rp page, and bring it back in like a month when everyone is either in school or on their jobs (more so in the 'school year' than during the summer holidays) where internet access and a willingness to ignore school/job work allows for more posting.

Heh. Hmm. Too bad all the good nations got snatched up by inactive .. snatches. ^.^ I make a good Rome.