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Heinrich Himmler launched a coup against Adolf Hitler and took power, making the SS in charge. He signed peace with the Allies, keeping the Reich intact, still in hold of places like Austria. Himmler had Adolf Hitler put in Landsburg Prison, where he later passed away.

Himmler made it ''Heil Himmler!'' instead of ''Heil Hitler!''. He was now Fuhrer and Head of the SS. The SA was still around in Himmler's Reich. Himmler watched as Japan fell into the ground, knowing Germany was the only Axis Power left after the war.

Himmler had ok relations with the West and the Soviets, though some in the Warsaw Pact were wary of Himmler. The Reich continued on, advancing along with the Soviets and Americans.

The Himmler Government began reforms when it took power, as was said before. Himmler is an old man but is not the ruler really. He has left power to others but still may have some.

How will the world react to all this? Who knows.....

I am thinking on whether to have Himmler still living or not. Also, I hope I don't offend anyone by my nation.

Does anyone have any info on NS for a newbie like me?

(OOC: "fourth Reich" nations dont seem to get very far. You might wanna make a backup nation, or drop the nazi thing entirely, the name you have chosen dosent help much. And if this is set in modern times, Himmler would be dead)

OCC When was hitler over thrown it wont work if its after WW2 a better coup de ta would be erwin Rommel over throwing hitler making a peace treaty with the west in exchange for fighting japan and the Soviet union. just my 2 cents

(OOC: "fourth Reich" nations dont seem to get very far. You might wanna make a backup nation, or drop the nazi thing entirely, the name you have chosen dosent help much. And if this is set in modern times, Himmler would be dead)

I don't plan for my nation to be Nazi, I plan for other things. Yes, Himmler would be gone but I would keep him revolting and taking power against/ from Hitler. I am not a Nazi myself and the name of my nation, I am sorry if it offends anyone and makes them think I am a Nazi, etc.

Thank you for your advice, Franberry.

OCC When was hitler over thrown it wont work if its after WW2 a better coup de ta would be erwin Rommel over throwing hitler making a peace treaty with the west in exchange for fighting japan and the Soviet union. just my 2 cents

No. Around the last weeks, etc of WWII in Europe, in my nation, Hitler was overthrown by Himmler who took power and made peace, keeping the Reich intact somewhat. But that is an ok idea too, Rommel overthrowing Hitler and offering to fight Japan and Russia. Though I think Russia was an ally of the West, so Japan only possibly.

Actualy geniral patton wanted to re arm the nazies to fight the soviet union. Hitler actualy killed himler at the end beacuse he thought himmler might betray him. he killed rommel to beacuse he thought he might betray him.

Actualy geniral patton wanted to re arm the nazies to fight the soviet union. Hitler actualy killed himler at the end beacuse he thought himmler might betray him. he killed rommel to beacuse he thought he might betray him.

I know that but my nation is based on Alternate History, an AH Germany.

Actualy geniral patton wanted to re arm the nazies to fight the soviet union. Hitler actualy killed himler at the end beacuse he thought himmler might betray him. he killed rommel to beacuse he thought he might betray him.

OOC: Well General Patton wasn't making policy, now was he?

Actualy geniral patton wanted to re arm the nazies to fight the soviet union. Hitler actualy killed himler at the end beacuse he thought himmler might betray him. he killed rommel to beacuse he thought he might betray him.

Himmler also commited suicide. He was trying to flee but was found and tooken in where he killed himself.

OOC: Well General Patton wasn't making policy, now was he?

I know but their were others like me who hate the Soviet union so much its worth it to have the nazis around.

Himmler also commited suicide. He was trying to flee but was found and tooken in where he killed himself.

So did rommel he chose privet suside ironic isnt it.

I know but their were others like me who hate the Soviet union so much its worth it to have the nazis around.

OOC: And they were also, obviously, not making policy.

So did rommel he chose privet suside ironic isnt it.

Not really. Rommel was a brave man and a good General, forced to commit suicide or have his family and friends executed.

OOC: And they were also, obviously, not making policy.

Perhaps fortunately, or god knows what might have happened...


Common sense prevailed, thankfully for the human race.

OOC: And they were also, obviously, not making policy.

I wish they were and in a fictional rp they could its plasible. DAMN COMMIES

Perhaps fortunately, or god knows what might have happened...


Common sense prevailed, thankfully for the human race.

BOO MUST KILL COMMIES.

I don't plan for my nation to be Nazi, I plan for other things. Yes, Himmler would be gone but I would keep him revolting and taking power against/ from Hitler. I am not a Nazi myself and the name of my nation, I am sorry if it offends anyone and makes them think I am a Nazi, etc.

Thank you for your advice, Franberry.
OOC: I dont care if you are a nazi or not, I am not offended, because I belive that you can belive what you want, its the actions that matter (in the nazi example: sending people off to consentration camps).

Be ready to meet players who will be offended at your nation, and will think that you are a nazi. If you role play well however, most will want to roleplay with you, and many have RPd nations with totalitarian states not far from the nazi model.

Does anyone have any info on NS for a newbie like me?

Assuming you've skimmed over the stickies, don't be afraid to join any open threads that you find interesting. If it's open, it's of the right "tech level", and you want in, just jump in.

That being said, try to develop a "stable" of regular characters to give your nation more of a face to the other RPers. Political leadership, diplomats, and military brass are the most commonly encountered recurring characters, I find.

Also, whenever possible, give your posts some dramatic flair. Write as if you're writing a novel, not like you're writing a business report. Details are good, atmosphere is good. Don't ever be afraid that your posts are too long - for most people, the problem is the exact opposite.

OOC: Harry Turtledove anyone? His series of books concerning the arrival of aliens on earth in 1942 concerns Himmler taking control of Germany via suscession after Hitler's natural death. Interesting thing, I'd recommend them.

Also, Rommel was in no position to enact a over-throw plot by himself. Thanks to Goebbles' propoganda ministry Rommel was created into a sort of mythical hero. And although he was a talented commander, there were others who were more powerful influentially within OKW; such as Guderian (father of Blitzkrieg) and perhaps Rundstedt. Not to mention needing the support of political allies within the National Police and perhaps even the Judical Branch, for legitimacy.

Its a lot more complicated than just one man spearheading his own coup.

OOC: I dont care if you are a nazi or not, I am not offended, because I belive that you can belive what you want, its the actions that matter (in the nazi example: sending people off to consentration camps).

Be ready to meet players who will be offended at your nation, and will think that you are a nazi. If you role play well however, most will want to roleplay with you, and many have RPd nations with totalitarian states not far from the nazi model.

I know there will be some who will be offended and who will think that I am a Hitler following, Sieg Heiling Nazi. I hope I do ok on NS and I am sorry for any offending, etc.

Assuming you've skimmed over the stickies, don't be afraid to join any open threads that you find interesting. If it's open, it's of the right "tech level", and you want in, just jump in.

That being said, try to develop a "stable" of regular characters to give your nation more of a face to the other RPers. Political leadership, diplomats, and military brass are the most commonly encountered recurring characters, I find.

Also, whenever possible, give your posts some dramatic flair. Write as if you're writing a novel, not like you're writing a business report. Details are good, atmosphere is good. Don't ever be afraid that your posts are too long - for most people, the problem is the exact opposite.

Thank you for this advice. It is good and I thank you for taking some time to give it to me. Thank you.

Assuming you've skimmed over the stickies, don't be afraid to join any open threads that you find interesting. If it's open, it's of the right "tech level", and you want in, just jump in.

That being said, try to develop a "stable" of regular characters to give your nation more of a face to the other RPers. Political leadership, diplomats, and military brass are the most commonly encountered recurring characters, I find.

Also, whenever possible, give your posts some dramatic flair. Write as if you're writing a novel, not like you're writing a business report. Details are good, atmosphere is good. Don't ever be afraid that your posts are too long - for most people, the problem is the exact opposite.

What are tech levels by the way?

I do not really know whether I've understood everything here because of my bad english ;)

Sorry for my english, I hope you'll understand it.

But I'll try to expose what I think about this kind of World War End.

Most of the Opposition against Hitler in the Third Reich wanted continuing to fight against the Sowjets after an armistice on the western front.

But Goering or Himmler wont become leaders after Hitlers Death.
If the western Allies have had an armistice with the Wehrmacht the Wehrmacht would fight against the russians furtheron.
The SS and other Nazi-Organisations can't rule the country against the will of the Wehrmacht-command in which many aristocalic prussian officers were important.
It's not easy to understand, but in this time and in Germany, the oath (or vow???) that all Soldiers had to swear on Hitlers Name was very important for many of them.
Some Wehrmacht-Officers said, when there was the trial to assine Hitler in July 1944, if he is dead, they want to join in.

Himmler was chicken-hearted to do anything against Hitler (chicken-hearted but cruel).
Goering was the only one of the Nazi-Leaders who really want a peace with the Allies against Hitlers position.
Rommel was a living legend but he dies before he can join the trial to assine hitler.


P.S. your Nick "SS-Deutsch-Reich" sounds curious.
You mean this instead of "Deutsches Reich" because in "your" Reich the SS rules? SS-Deutsches Reich sounds also curios I think SS-Deutschland is better.

Thank you for this advice. It is good and I thank you for taking some time to give it to me. Thank you.

You're quite welcome. We're all new at everything atleast once. :)


What are tech levels by the way?

Well, it's a little hard to define properly. I think this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Tech_level) article on the Nationstates Wikipedia does a decent job, although "Modern Tech" and "Modern Tech +1" are considered the same thing by most people.

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