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The Current Prime Minister is having an annual leadership contest. The aim of this is to see if people worldwide are happy with the leadership of the Prime Minister. If he comes in the top 3 of the votes he will stay as Prime Minister, if not he will be demoted. Mr Billy Bob Wilson is the current Prime Minister he has brought with him- Religion, Dictatorship and more. He has made a good impact since he began! He has made Scotllia a more respectful and religious place to live, with a little bit of choice, more of a community and the good safety and security levels have remained strong. However some Scotllians have dissaprooved of this saying it is enforcing the one religion on everyone in the country. He has abolished abortion, gay marriage, gay relasions and some human rights. He has improved businesses and made some tax cuts.

Who Should Lead Scotllia?

He is against-

Irene Dainsley- Who wants an utter dictatorship and for the working class to suffer. She wants to privatise everything and for more Business type things. Wants to help the economy and employment rates and wants different classes and to help different classes in different ways. For example to make the working class have to pay for more things and the upper classes to pay for almost nothing. She wants pensions to be in place for 65 for everyone, apart from working classes who will work until 75 under her. She thinks people should pay for healthcare and everything should be privatised. She thrives on confrontation.

Lara Turland- Wants fairness for everyone, but is a crap leader. Wants to help the environment. She wants to enforce Geography on people too. She hasn't got that good leadership skills but thinks people deserve a fair and good chance in all that they do. Wants Geography to be more included in almost everything.

Jack Henshaw- Wants Fairness, Religion, Culture and More. He wants to move with the times rather than conserve the past. Wants rights for everyone and to basically have a multi-cultural Scotllia. Thinks that Resolution is better than conflict as apposed to the current Prime Minister. He thinks that people should have lots of choice and decisions and will change the way the country is currently being run.

Cleo Butterfield- Wants to conserve everything. Wants to go back to the Victorian times and the times of the medivieals and live like they did. Wants to go back to periods of History and wants to destroy technology and such like. She will completely destroy technology if she ever gets into power. Wants a more civilised and community like way in the coiuntry. Will abolish most of Billy Bob Wilson's Creations.

But who Should Lead Scotllia?

There is some other election polls in another country on this link.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490861

Keep on voting!!!

Billy Bob Wilson is doing well.

All the contenders now have some say in the vote by way of their current scores!!

OOC: May I suggest having Baroness Butterfield be made Head of Communication, or Energy?

OOC: May I suggest having Baroness Butterfield be made Head of Communication, or Energy?
Well its a thought!!!

OOC: Excellent. I'll get the paperwork.

OOC: Dainsley wants to enforce geography? Bwuh?

OOC: Dainsley wants to enforce geography? Bwuh?
Lara Turland does!!!

Lara Turland does!!!

OOC: Oh. Sorry. But my question was more along the lines of... how the hell do you enforce geography?

OOC: Oh. Sorry. But my question was more along the lines of... how the hell do you enforce geography?
I don't know, as she isn't a very good leader. But she will enforce it throigh education, and try and force people to take a more active intrest with Geography.

What do people think of Billy Bob Wilson and why is he getting so many votes?

What are people's views on the leaders?

It is our view on the imperial senate that Billy Bob wilson is too set in his ways, prehaps aMr Henshaw is a better option?

It is our view on the imperial senate that Billy Bob wilson is too set in his ways, prehaps aMr Henshaw is a better option?
True, but then so far opinion polls suggest Billy Bob Wilson has done a good job and would like to seem him continue as leader.

True, but then so far opinion polls suggest Billy Bob Wilson has done a good job and would like to seem him continue as leader.

Prehaps that is the more Holy communities talking? It is possibel that the major powers are reluctant to get involved in a religious debate?

Prehaps that is the more Holy communities talking? It is possibel that the major powers are reluctant to get involved in a religious debate?
Again true but this is an international debate and not a Scotllian only debate and he is too far in the lead to be popular just on the religious factor which suggests that more factors to do with Billy Bob Wilson's leadership are popular with the international public.

We agree again however we also beleive that those countires that are more religion based are trying to "convert" scotllia whilest the major powers much as large scale empires and non-religion biased places are attempting to keep out of a "god vs science" debate or a "god vs Thatcher" debate.

We agree again however we also beleive that those countires that are more religion based are trying to "convert" scotllia whilest the major powers much as large scale empires and non-religion biased places are attempting to keep out of a "god vs science" debate or a "god vs Thatcher" debate.
Perhaps your correct on these matters, but do you really think that this many people would support Billy Bob Wilson, Should this be the case?

Agreed however try and keep these ideas flowing, your elections are pretty sound and your leader is popular, try and keep with the majority but be careful about the non-religion states.

Agreed however try and keep these ideas flowing, your elections are pretty sound and your leader is popular, try and keep with the majority but be careful about the non-religion states.
True. Billy Bob Wilson strongly agrees with what you have said and knows this well. But enough people have been converted back to religion than not so at the moment we have no problems.

True. Billy Bob Wilson strongly agrees with what you have said and knows this well. But enough people have been converted back to religion than not so at the moment we have no problems.

Is it right that people are being "converted" is it right that people are ebing persuaded by the Government of all people? Sure if the church wants to promote religion fair enough, but for the government to be biased? I'm not sure.

Is it right that people are being "converted" is it right that people are ebing persuaded by the Government of all people? Sure if the church wants to promote religion fair enough, but for the government to be biased? I'm not sure.
True, but after the Church's records have slipped and with it peoples morals- Wilson saw no other alternative than to convert people to religous gatherthings and church attendance has risen from 2% to 61% as their is a lot more things to do in churchs in Scotllia now and there is a lot more role plays, interactiveness as regards to just attending Church. The religion is so far helping a lot of people in Scotllia.

It is agreed that the Givernemnt is widley listened to, however, such a strong argument is really neccassary?

It is agreed that the Givernemnt is widley listened to, however, such a strong argument is really neccassary?
I do agree too and that is why he is now starting to focus on other areas. He has helped people socially and religiously and now HAS TO focus on other areas for the good of Scotllia and yes a large extent of time was needed to help people in these ways as it has prooved beneficial but I too agree that it is time to move onto other areas. So I half and half agree.

Can you explain more about Mrs Dainsley's opinion? Is it her belief that the upper class are genrally better thatn the lower? doesnt that go against the treaty of Goonatileke that said the Simonvia, Aaronia and Scotllia would terat all peoples fairly?

Can you explain more about Mrs Dainsley's opinion? Is it her belief that the upper class are genrally better thatn the lower? doesnt that go against the treaty of Goonatileke that said the Simonvia, Aaronia and Scotllia would terat all peoples fairly?
She does want to change social classes but her beliefs are more focused on helping the people who have benefitted the country in some way to be helped and people who don't help such as the lower classes won't be punished but won't be treated as fairly as others, which isn;t to say they won't be treated fairly just that they will have to help the country more to make up for the fact that upper classes have already benefitted us by working harder. If this makes sense.

She does want to change social classes but her beliefs are more focused on helping the people who have benefitted the country in some way to be helped and people who don't help such as the lower classes won't be punished but won't be treated as fairly as others, which isn;t to say they won't be treated fairly just that they will have to help the country more to make up for the fact that upper classes have already benefitted us by working harder. If this makes sense.


Is it fair to assume that all upper class have helped the country?
or that all WORKING (not lower) class have not?

Is it fair to assume that all upper class have helped the country?
or that all WORKING (not lower) class have not?
Perhaps the same doesn't go for all, but thanks to the census surverys this has prooved this information is accurate for most.

She does want to change social classes but her beliefs are more focused on helping the people who have benefitted the country in some way to be helped and people who don't help such as the lower classes won't be punished but won't be treated as fairly as others, which isn;t to say they won't be treated fairly just that they will have to help the country more to make up for the fact that upper classes have already benefitted us by working harder. If this makes sense.

OOC: So... someone who inhereits a bunch of money and a business from his dead old daddy and goes on to fill his days with mistresses, expensive food and booze benefits the country more than, for example, someone who works in a defense plant all day?

OOC: So... someone who inhereits a bunch of money and a business from his dead old daddy and goes on to fill his days with mistresses, expensive food and booze benefits the country more than, for example, someone who works in a defense plant all day?
Very Much so IC: Not everyone is like that the majority of people in the cvountry of Scotllia has prooved by census surveys- The majority of Upper CVlasses have prooved their worth thru businesses and lots of hard work whilst the poor classes haven't. So these steryotypes are not always correct in Scotllia!!

Very Much so IC: Not everyone is like that the majority of people in the cvountry of Scotllia has prooved by census surveys- The majority of Upper CVlasses have prooved their worth thru businesses and lots of hard work whilst the poor classes haven't. So these steryotypes are not always correct in Scotllia!!

OOC: So essentially you have an ideal world where everyone recieves reward equal to the effort they put in?

OOC: So essentially you have an ideal world where everyone recieves reward equal to the effort they put in?
Not at all!! I said most people not all and people do tend to achieve things thru life due to money, businesses and success. People can change social classes depending on how hard they work and in Scotllia there is no difference! People can change classes depending on how hard they work and therefore its not just easy and perfect in Scotllia its a world where people have to work hard to succeed!

OOC: Well I suppose it doesn't matter, since she doesn't appear to be winning. I will ask, however, how she defines the classes, and what classes there are exactly. Just working and upper? No inbetween? And what qualifies you for each?

OOC: Well I suppose it doesn't matter, since she doesn't appear to be winning. I will ask, however, how she defines the classes, and what classes there are exactly. Just working and upper? No inbetween? And what qualifies you for each?
Basically -
Upper Class- Grotesqly wealthy
Middle Class- Enough money to spend and doing okish
Lower Class- Little or no money and often in debt.

So she thinks its very financial.

OOC: Another question. Does your country tax inheritences? How much?

OOC: Another question. Does your country tax inheritences? How much?
Under the current leader, none- If Irene came into power maybe about 20% of tax inheritence.

Another intresting debate similar to this is at this address
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11321801&posted=1#post11321801

Under the current leader, none- If Irene came into power maybe about 20% of tax inheritence.

OOC: Mmm-hmm...

Well, let me give you a scenario.

There are two men. For the sake of our argument, let's use an old cliche. They're twins seperated at birth. Let's call them Maximum Hiponicus Leonicus Fredrickson and Joe Smith.

Max's daddy left him one million dollars, after putting him through a very expensive college. Even after that twenty percent income tax, that's 80,000,000.

Joe's daddy died when he was going through high school. (Joe not the dad) and left Joe in debt.

Now, if those two men work equally hard throughout their life, who do you think is going to end up with more money?

OOC: Mmm-hmm...

Well, let me give you a scenario.

There are two men. For the sake of our argument, let's use an old cliche. They're twins seperated at birth. Let's call them Maximum Hiponicus Leonicus Fredrickson and Joe Smith.

Max's daddy left him one million dollars, after putting him through a very expensive college. Even after that twenty percent income tax, that's 80,000,000.

Joe's daddy died when he was going through high school. (Joe not the dad) and left Joe in debt.

Now, if those two men work equally hard throughout their life, who do you think is going to end up with more money?

IC: Exceptions happen yes. But most of the time the person who works harder ends out on top.

I humbly submit that what you dub 'an exception' is in fact, the rule. Those who are born into families with money have a better chance of getting more money for less work.

I humbly submit that what you dub 'an exception' is in fact, the rule. Those who are born into families with money have a better chance of getting more money for less work.
But then there families have worked hard! So in a way there families and heritage have earned their right for money and success.

But then there families have worked hrd!

So it comes down to a matter of being rewarded for what your family did?

So it comes down to a matter of being rewarded for what your family did?
In some ways yes. But remember this is only one candiates views there are 4 others who don't agree.

In some ways yes. But remember this is only one candiates views there are 4 others who don't agree.

Oh yes, I'll go on to pick apart their views shortly.

Though I think Turnland and Butterfield speak for themselves.

Abolishing gay relations only counts as 'some' human rights?

Oh yes, I'll go on to pick apart their views shortly.

Though I think Turnland and Butterfield speak for themselves.

Abolishing gay relations only counts as 'some' human rights?
Well then don't vote!!

Well then don't vote!!

Oh, I voted for Butterfield. For reasons I may or may not explain.

AKA, it's in my countries interests to have as few rivals as possible.

Oh, I voted for Butterfield. For reasons I may or may not explain.

AKA, it's in my countries interests to have as few rivals as possible.
Ok then.

Oh, I voted for Butterfield. For reasons I may or may not explain.

AKA, it's in my countries interests to have as few rivals as possible.
something to do with the technology?

Keep on Voting!!!

The vote is quite tight

Keep on Voting. You have a few days left to vote.

Imperial Aaronia appoligises for their abrupt absence, but the Imperial telegram lines are down and all is problematic.

Keep the votes coming

Keep on Voting!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490861

THE LINK ABOVE IS WORTH A LOOK!

Who is voting for Jack?
What is it you like about this Leader?

I put my support behind Jack Henshaw because he is the most sensible out of them all, and the current leader is a douche.

Signed,
Emperor Jovan Norris

i AGREE, CHECK OUT THE aARONIAN ELECTIONS AS WELL, THEY'RE ABOVE! AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I put my support behind Jack Henshaw because he is the most sensible out of them all, and the current leader is a douche.

Signed,
Emperor Jovan Norris
Sorry to sound thick but what is a douche?

Sorry to sound thick but what is a douche?

1. douche
972 up, 144 down


a word to describe an individual who has shown themself to be very brainless in one way or another, thus comparing them to the cleansing product for vaginas.

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So basically you don't agree with Wilson's politics?
Or is there more too it?

Keep voting

Come on folks, keep it up.

Lets get these votes in come on the 5 candidates really need your support!! Who will you pick?

Sir Billy! Sir Billy!! Sir Billy!!

So basically you don't agree with Wilson's politics?
Or is there more too it?I don't agree with his politics to any extent at all.

I don't agree with his politics to any extent at all.
Well he has caused quite a lot of controversy in Scotllia. His reception has been mixed there too.

Get them votes in please!!

The voting has been intresting and varied.

Thanks for those votes so far- keep them up!!!

Keep the votes coming you have a few days!!

I have just voted for Jack Henshaw cos he looks like the best of a bad lot.

I have just voted for Jack Henshaw cos he looks like the best of a bad lot.


It is the view of the Aaronian senate that Scotllian politicians are notn the best around, however, we beleive that Mr Henshaw would be the better of all of them. We appologise to Scotllia however, your Monarchy policy worked much better.

It is the view of the Aaronian senate that Scotllian politicians are notn the best around, however, we beleive that Mr Henshaw would be the better of all of them. We appologise to Scotllia however, your Monarchy policy worked much better.
Half an Hour left to vote.

wow is that all thas left?

wow is that all thas left?
Yep. Just 20 minis now so lets all get our votes in, come on!!!

The Poll has closed, thanks to all voters.