NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: before we start I would like to make sure that everyone knows that this is, despite the lack of modern tech, that is the area I play in. also I would like others to sign up for one of the four sides that there will be. This doesn’t mean you can not join in as a third party. If you do that, please do not send an extremely massive force.

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IC:

For a long time in the Great Four Corners history each corner had lived in harmony with the others, sometimes short conflicts would erupt but it never blew into a full blown conflict.

Eventually the shadow of isolation fell and the Great Four Corners reentered the world stage. Quickly they learned that there where corporations that wished to destroy them for the sake of taking there resources…Griffincrest Corporation invaded and attempted to take over the Corners, landing armies on the First and Third Corners territory. With the help of many other nations they drove Griffincrest Corporation away, but it would set in motion a conflict that none of the Corners had expected to happen…

After the war the Fourth Corner demanded the Third Corner repay them for the Fourths aid in combating Griffincrest. The Third Corner refused, relations between the two quickly broke down and both mobilized there militaries and sent them to the boarder.

At the same time the First Corner was angered at the fact that the Second Corner had not sent aid to any of the others in any form during the war. An embargo was placed in effect on the Second for this, the act angered the Second Corner greatly and tensions grow between the First and Second Corners.

Then two plans where revealed in captured notes, or radio transmissions. one, stated that in the event of war the Third Corners planed to move its armies through Second and First Corner territory in order to get around the Fourth Corners army, this plan angered both the First and Second Corners. The other, was a message to the Second from the Fourth, stating that in the event of war the Second aids the Fourth in fighting the Third, and the Fourth would help the Second take over the First corner. This message angered the First Corner, while this information was discovered by the First and Third it was still agreed on.

The last event that would propel the nations into war happened when a Second Corner official was shot while on tour in the Fourth, the Second blamed the Fourth for lack of security. This propelled the nations into war, the Second declared war on the Fourth, the First eager to punish the Second for its lack of aid declared war on them, and the Third and Fourth on each other for there reasons. Due to the agreement signed by the Fourth and Second they declared war on the others, yet they did not cancel there wars with each other. This effectively landed each corner into a three way war with each of the other corners….

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OOC: for the militaries of each corner look here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489759

Claimed Corners:

First:
Second:
Third:
Fourth: me

Oh and each corner is about the size of the Iberian Peninsula.

this is the map http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3290/fourcorner4nb.png



any other questions?

Can I support a corner, but not send men?

I still have 1,000 Wanderjarian Marines in Four Corners. They will help the overall government.

Can I support a corner, but not send men?

OOC: sorta depends on how your going to support them then

Logistics, money, supplies, possible transportation

Here is a map I created for your nation. I'll edit it however you want:


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2446/fourcorner0rg.png

Logistics, money, supplies, possible transportation

OOC: thats acceptable, but depending on exactly what you do, the corner may be a bit less then accepting

You like the map?

Here is a map I created for your nation. I'll edit it however you want:


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2446/fourcorner0rg.png

OOC: for a start, the major Port City for the Fourth Corner is in the western half of northern fourth corner, and the capital just a bit more inland from that

the Third corners major port is on the center of the west side and the capital is almost at the south wester tip

the first corners major port is near the Second Corner boarder and its capital about the center of the First corner

the fourth corner major port is almost at the Thirc Corner boarder and its capital is near the center of the first corner boarder

You like the map?

OOC: yes i do

OOC: Would you accept medical aid from the Ostian supply ship, Jupitar, it's Canadian PROTECTEUR Class.

Please inform me of your decision.

No weaponry..

It's an auxiliary vessel

Reallydrunk']OOC: Would you accept medical aid from the Ostian supply ship, Jupitar, it's Canadian PROTECTEUR Class.

Please inform me of your decision.

No weaponry..

It's an auxiliary vessel

OOC: yes we would

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3290/fourcorner4nb.png

Considering the 1st N.E.F is right off shore I might as will help out here. I'll support who ever Wanderjar sides with.

Considering the 1st N.E.F is right off shore I might as will help out here. I'll support who ever Wanderjar sides with.


I'm supporting the overall Government. Assuming there is one.

Like I said whoever your supporting I'll support as will.

I'm supporting the overall Government. Assuming there is one.

OOC: its just the four different corners government. normaly they agree with eachother on major things

OOC: its just the four different corners government. normaly they agree with eachother on major things

Which side is the most interested in unity between the factions?

Which side is the most interested in unity between the factions?

OOC: depends on what type of unity

the First likes the idea of a unified nation
the Second and Third like the idea of a the nations working closer on a unified front
the Fourth likes it the way it is, but if it cant have that, it would rather take the other three over

OOC:
I would like to sign up.
Whom shall I side with? Well. The one that doesn't cost alot and will be ready to take over! I'm all for this "Reunification By Force" idea. Just as long as I am allowed a base for distribution purposes. Also, I will not be sending a vast force (like I would when the occasion called for it.) My army will stay under one million men strong. The Navy will have to suffice itself. As will the Air Force. I am ready to serve.

OOC: I would like to be allied with the fourth corner.

OOC:
I would like to sign up.
Whom shall I side with? Well. The one that doesn't cost alot and will be ready to take over! I'm all for this "Reunification By Force" idea. Just as long as I am allowed a base for distribution purposes. Also, I will not be sending a vast force (like I would when the occasion called for it.) My army will stay under one million men strong. The Navy will have to suffice itself. As will the Air Force. I am ready to serve.

OOC: heh, only under 1 mill? my four corners total have less...i was thinking like a small force of 100K or less

OOC:
Oh. Err. But can I still keep my navy? Considering they only see to naval fights and land bombardments?

OOC:
Oh. Err. But can I still keep my navy? Considering they only see to naval fights and land bombardments?

its not to big is it? i don't remember you stating its size? a small amount of air craft no matter what though

Umm. Grr. Now I have to look!

I think it was well under A few thousand ships. Most of them are mainly used for naval fighting (such as Aegis Cruisers and the Submarines).

OOC: around or less then 100 ships is preferred

I have taken into consideration what TGFC has asked of me, and now I will imply my military statistics.

Navy;

One Captial-Ranked SuperCarrier-
(Twenty-Four hundred Sailors, Four Hundred Pilots)

Three Hundred Aircraft;

Two Hundred Su-47's-
(One Pilot Each)

One Hundred F-35A's-
(One Pilot Each)

One Hundred F-18B's-
(One Pilot Each)

Twenty Aegis Cruisers-
(Crews of Five Hundred Sailors Each)

Fifty Capital-Ranked Battleships-
(Crews of Twelve Hundred Sailors Each)

Twenty Submarines-
(Crews of Five Hundred Sailors Each)

Nine Capital-Ranked Submarines-
(Crews of Twelve Hundred Sailors Each)

Army;

Fifty Thousand Combat Soldiers

Thirteen Hundred Humvees

Thirty-Thousand Logistics Personel

One Hundred Apocalypse Tanks

Air Force;

Two Hundred F-35B's
(One Pilot Each)

Three Hundred Su-47's
(One Pilot Each)

One Hundred MiG 1.44's
(One Pilot Each)


OOC:
Now, these aren't all sent in at once. I just thought I might say it. Now. Place me where I need to go.

OCC: Is there any way to avert a Civil War?

OOC: Elaborate if you will.

OCC: Like can Peacekeeprs come in toavoid violence while they work on a diplomatic solution?

OOC: What happened to the glorious militant leader I knew?

OCC: he died. Not really. Four Corners is A GASN Ally and I would hate for him to
go into Civil War. Why arent you on
MSN?

OOC: I'm trying to hide from the men in shades.

OCC: ah I see

OOC: Happy?

OCC: Like can Peacekeeprs come in toavoid violence while they work on a diplomatic solution?

OOC: you can try...

Unfourtaly im leaving for europe in a few days. Can someone Control forces for me?

OOC::
I shall, and I will call them the Joint Dephire/TPF Forces.

OCC: Contact Ustia and ask him to deploy the revlent forces here, he has command now.

OOC: depends on what type of unity

the First likes the idea of a unified nation
the Second and Third like the idea of a the nations working closer on a unified front
the Fourth likes it the way it is, but if it cant have that, it would rather take the other three over


I'll try to peacekeep

I'm with Wanderjar, and considering PF forces are now under my command so is PF.

OCC: Treat them well Ustia! *cries*

OCC:don't worry I'll take good care of them!:D:sniper:

OCC: good, otherwise... :sniper: DIE!

"Our forces have arrived. We will use brute force when deemed necessary. Prepare yourselves for reunification. May your days be glorious!"

OOC: sense none have taken up useing one of the other Corners(i had planned for some people to select one of them, as seen in the first post) until then i shall RP all corners actions, and i shall have a post up sometime tonight

OOC: Put me in either corner. I'll be good.

OOC: Third Corner then.

OOC: before we start I would like to make sure that everyone knows that this is, despite the lack of modern tech, that is the area I play in. also I would like others to sign up for one of the four sides that there will be. This doesn’t mean you can not join in as a third party. If you do that, please do not send an extremely massive force.

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IC:

For a long time in the Great Four Corners history each corner had lived in harmony with the others, sometimes short conflicts would erupt but it never blew into a full blown conflict.

Eventually the shadow of isolation fell and the Great Four Corners reentered the world stage. Quickly they learned that there where corporations that wished to destroy them for the sake of taking there resources…Griffincrest Corporation invaded and attempted to take over the Corners, landing armies on the First and Third Corners territory. With the help of many other nations they drove Griffincrest Corporation away, but it would set in motion a conflict that none of the Corners had expected to happen…

After the war the Fourth Corner demanded the Third Corner repay them for the Fourths aid in combating Griffincrest. The Third Corner refused, relations between the two quickly broke down and both mobilized there militaries and sent them to the boarder.

At the same time the First Corner was angered at the fact that the Second Corner had not sent aid to any of the others in any form during the war. An embargo was placed in effect on the Second for this, the act angered the Second Corner greatly and tensions grow between the First and Second Corners.

Then two plans where revealed in captured notes, or radio transmissions. one, stated that in the event of war the Third Corners planed to move its armies through Second and First Corner territory in order to get around the Fourth Corners army, this plan angered both the First and Second Corners. The other, was a message to the Second from the Fourth, stating that in the event of war the Second aids the Fourth in fighting the Third, and the Fourth would help the Second take over the First corner. This message angered the First Corner, while this information was discovered by the First and Third it was still agreed on.

The last event that would propel the nations into war happened when a Second Corner official was shot while on tour in the Fourth, the Second blamed the Fourth for lack of security. This propelled the nations into war, the Second declared war on the Fourth, the First eager to punish the Second for its lack of aid declared war on them, and the Third and Fourth on each other for there reasons. Due to the agreement signed by the Fourth and Second they declared war on the others, yet they did not cancel there wars with each other. This effectively landed each corner into a three way war with each of the other corners….

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OOC: for the militaries of each corner look here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489759

Claimed Corners:

First:
Second:
Third:
Fourth: me

Oh and each corner is about the size of the Iberian Peninsula.

this is the map http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3290/fourcorner4nb.png



any other questions?

Since I got a pretty good understanding of the weapons of the seconds corner, I'll be glad to Role Play them. Would be a good challenge.

I have a suggest though as to the four corners military technology. Your free to do what you want, but instead of having the first and second corners so hopelessly outclassed, you bring them up a notch- Let the first corner have access to tech from between the 1800's-1850's. With the second having tech between 1860's-1890's. But something with the general timeframe. So each nation is only about 50-60 years ahead at max of the other.

Anyway- let me know what you think.

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Example- First Corner military edit:

Total Ships: 785
Ships-of-the-Line: 235
Frigates: 270
Sloops-of-War: 280

Artillery: 38,000
Weapons: 12 lbers, 6 lbers, 24 lbers Howitzer.

Total Infantry: 410,000
Total Cavalry: 32,000
Blunderbuss: 10,000
Baker Rifle: 60,000
Brown Bess: 340,000
Cutless: 30,000
(all of the above) Flintlock Pistols


Second Corner military:

Total Ships: 785
Ships-of-the-Line: 270
Ironclads: 235
Corvettes: 280
Pre-Dreadnoughts: 40
Torpedo Boats (Precusier of the Destroyer): 120
Their are others.

Artillery and Tanks: 60,000
Weapons: 12 lb Napoleon, Mortars, Gatling guns, coastal artillery so on.

Total Infantry: say 600,000
Cavalry: ?
Rifle Muskets: ?
Reperateds: ?
Bayeots: ?
six shot pistols: ?
So on.

What ya think?

Ooc:
Yay!

Since I got a pretty good understand of the weapons of the seconds corner, I'll be glad to Role Play them. Would be a good change.

I have a suggest though as to the four corners military technology. Your free to do what you want, but instead of having the first and second corners so hopelessly outclassed, you bring them up a notch- Let the first corner have access to tech from between the 1800's-1850's. With the second having tech between 1860's-1890's. But something with the general timeframe. So each nation is only about 50-60 years ahead at max of the other.

Anyway- let me know what you think.

OOC: you may use whatever Corner you wish

aside from the navy and the airforce, and tanks, the First can do just fine if it plays it right, they may even take out a few tanks

for the most part, First Corner forces with ranged weapons outclass the Second Corner, however i may change some of the stats after this war to your listed...

though the Fourth Corner could easily win, i don't plan on having a fully united GFC.

OOC: The fourth Corner may not win so easily if I back up the third.

OOC: The fourth Corner may not win so easily if I back up the third.

OOC: the Fourth Corner airforce is almost invincible(all the aircraft can fly higher and faster then Third Corner aircraft, they also are harder to being down, carry more ammo for bigger guns, are more monuverable, and have longer ranges), our tanks are quite harder to hurt then Thirds, and hit harder, are much faster and have longer ranges(not to mention they don't brake down so much) and the Third Corner navy is out matched in all but numbers(still, take away the Submarine and Aircraft advantage and the Fourth would probably lose, though at the cost of more Third Corner ships then Fourth, our army may be outnumbered but it has in general better weapons(more reliable semi-autos and full autos, lighter machine guns, Snipers, explosive weapons. ect)

i think, the Fourth COrner might be able to take on all three of the others, Second COrner weapons(aside from the Baker Rifle) have almost no range on the Fourths.

OOC: Wait...so your saying that we can't use our own military forces to aid our corner?

OOC: Wait...so your saying that we can't use our own military forces to aid our corner?

OOC: never said that, just saying that the Fourth in a war with only the other Corners would win, besides that, the Second signed a pact with the Fourth saying it eould help fight the Third, though they are also at war with the Fourth, they will still honor the pact. if that changes anything

IC:

The Fourth Corner began its war sending Bombers deep into Third Corner territory, launching attacks on runways, factories, railroads, anything that could be used against the Fourth Corners, and help the Third to produce weapons and move its forces…

Fourth Corner P-51s, P-40s, Spitfires, and Me 262s moved into the Third Corner simply looking for enemy fighters, once the threat of them was reduced Dive Bombers would be cleared to enter Third Corner airspace…

Schwerer Gustav cannons and M114s started firing at the Third Corner boarder in order to soften it up for the future attack…

V-1s and V-2s where launched at selective targets that both the cannons and bombers where targeting….

The Great Fourth Corners Fleet (GFCF) set sail its plan, to start a naval battle against the Third corners fleet, and fight it in Fourth Corner stile…


A sum of 30,000 troops have been sent into the First Corner to start a Guerrilla war(10,000 armed with M1 Garands, 5,000 with StG44s, 5,000 with MG-42s, 5,000 with Type 97 sniper rifles, 5,000 with Type 10 Grenade Launchers)

OOC: the Fourth Corner airforce is almost invincible(all the aircraft can fly higher and faster then Third Corner aircraft, they also are harder to being down, carry more ammo for bigger guns, are more monuverable, and have longer ranges), our tanks are quite harder to hurt then Thirds, and hit harder, are much faster and have longer ranges(not to mention they don't brake down so much) and the Third Corner navy is out matched in all but numbers(still, take away the Submarine and Aircraft advantage and the Fourth would probably lose, though at the cost of more Third Corner ships then Fourth, our army may be outnumbered but it has in general better weapons(more reliable semi-autos and full autos, lighter machine guns, Snipers, explosive weapons. ect)

i think, the Fourth COrner might be able to take on all three of the others, Second COrner weapons(aside from the Baker Rifle) have almost no range on the Fourths.

Which is why you should update the list of the militaries I suggested before the war started. With the numbers and technology on the fourth corners side- given human nature would have annexed the other three corners a long time ago given their superiority over them. One nuke would do it.

Technology is a huge equalize to large forces. Look at the Conquest of Africa by the European Nations. Their are many other Examples.

Mexico- Herny Cortez and the Aztecs.

Their are many others. Even allied with each other- the other 3 corners would fall one by one to the fourth. I'm not trying to be mean- just stating the facts.

However, whatever you decided- I'm still game.

OCC: I be glad to dig up the weapons in use for the first and second for the updated list if need be.

Another Idea- You have almost 100 years sepearated seconds from thirds. 1800s vs 1914s is a big difference compared to 1914s to 1940s.

How about Given First tech from the Middle Ages (800s) to the Napoleonic Wars (1810s) then give Second 1820s to the 1860s. Third with 1870s to 1900s. Fourth 1900s to 1918. This would even out the sides and limit the domination of the other. A musket Ball is just as lethel as a modern bullet.

OOC:

Their Airforce is weak when put up to the might of my Anti-Air...

Which is why you should update the list of the militaries I suggested before the war started. With the numbers and technology on the fourth corners side- given human nature would have annexed the other three corners a long time ago given their superiority over them. One nuke would do it.


Their are many others. Even allied with each other- the other 3 corners would fall one by one to the fourth. I'm not trying to be mean- just stating the facts.


Another Idea- You have almost 100 years sepearated seconds from thirds. 1800s vs 1914s is a big difference compared to 1914s to 1940s.

How about Given First tech from the Middle Ages (800s) to the Napoleonic Wars (1810s) then give Second 1820s to the 1860s. Third with 1870s to 1900s. Fourth 1900s to 1918. This would even out the sides and limit the domination of the other. A musket Ball is just as lethel as a modern bullet.


OOC: perhaps the Fourth never wanted to annex the others...

i sorta like the tech as it is....and i would most definetly not reduce the Fourth Corners tech to WW1 levels...

OOC:

Their Airforce is weak when put up to the might of my Anti-Air...

OOC:

Oerlikon 20 mm AA cannon
Maximum practical range: 2,000m against aerial targets

He-111: Service ceiling: 8,390m(lowest of all currently used AA)

but then, your talking about your own, AA, that would be better, but it will not save the Corners from the Fourths navy

OOC:
Now you force me to bring up my DCAAMRG.

General Overview:

The DCAAMRC was originally designed for the destruction of any asteroids or space debris that could have fallen to Earth during the periods of 2024 AD and 2067 when a large meteor shower was predicted to strike Earth, this of course was proven false.

In later years, war sparked. The people of Dephire needed to find a weapon that would bring people to their knees. They needed something brutal, yet sophisticated enough to be nearly unbeatable. What they found were the capabilities of these cannons.

Some people have speculated that these cannons can shoot a fly from fourteen thousand miles away, along with anything else in five miles. This of course is not entirely true.

Armour Specifications;

These cannons were not only to be built to destroy, but built to withstand alot of brutal attacks.

Twenty inches of depleted uranium armour incase each gun. After the uranium armour is a shell of solid titanium. Four inches further goes straight to the solid carbon.

This gives it a semi-light design for higher manuverability in scenarios when things get hairy.

Size/Shape Specifications;

Any gun the size of a small frigate could scare anyone.

Barrel Length:
Approx. 300ft.

Barrel Width:
Approx. 20ft.

Caliber:
Approx. 1200mm (If this is too out of porportion, please help me adjust.)

Range:
20-3750 Miles (Ground to Ground)
2-4000 (Ground to Air) ((That's the With a fused shell))
1-5000 (Ground to Sea) ((The One mile is a minimum, Safety Reasons))

Firing Specifications/Statistics;

The DCAAMRC takes thirty seconds to lock onto a target, remarkable for it's size. It can also fire at an rate of fifteen shells per minute. Slow, but given the shell's capabilities, it is effective none-the-less.

Safety Precautions;

Don't stand within a hundred feet without proper saftey gear on. (Trust us. You don't want to be deaf, do you?)

Shells;

Explodes-On-Impact Shell-
This is mostly used in Ground to Ground and Ground to Sea barrages. Damage ranges from fragmentation to vaporization. There is a Two mile fragmentation range, and a five hundred feet vaporization range.

Anti-Ship Shell-
This shell is basically the same as an Anti-Tank shell, in otherwords, it's soul purpose is to destroy Naval Ships.

Explodes-In-Air Shell-
Also known as an Anti-Air shell or a Flak shell. When the fuse detonates the charge, it sends a sonic boom powerful enough to rip apart any aircraft within a two hundred feet range of the blast. Any aircraft within two thousand feet outside that range is severly damaged.

Prices;

Dominator-Class Cannon: $ 1,050,000,000 (1.05 Billion U.S. Dollars)
StoneHenge-Class Cannon*: $ 200,000,000 (Two Hundred Million U.S. Dollars)

*The StoneHenge-Class Cannon is roughly one-fourth the size of the Dominator-Class Cannon. It was developed for the same purpose as the DC Cannon, but for smaller objects. The SHCC was the first cannon thought to be used in times of war, the DCC was then later thought of to be more potent, and was then used more often.

One DCC can replace Four SHCC's.

OOC: i decline to allow that weapons use, if only because whomever has it wins the air and sea war. and you have a big enough force in this already...

OOC: Fine...can I at least use my Gattling Cannons?

OOC: Fine...can I at least use my Gattling Cannons?

OOC: sure...

OOC: What about Su-47's?

OOC: What about Su-47's?

your entire listed force, save that massive cannon(s)

Wait..did I list my force??

OOC: Nevermind.

Just let me know what timeframe the second corner is in. This will allow me to create a Order of Battle and TOE with the right equipment at their disposal.

Example: Are they in the tech period of the Napoleonic Wars (1800s-1815) or they (1760s-1840s). So on.

OOC: well, a few of my units are from as far back as 1500ish Rapier was used most back then, Yatagan was around back then, and Leonardo's Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DaVinciTankAtAmboise.jpeg)was made by Leonardo da Vinci(though mine is slightly different, as he made his so that the Tank could not move forward)

so they are set for the most part with tech from 1500-1815, though i may possibly add a few things up to 1840.

That was a funny tank...

OOC: well, a few of my units are from as far back as 1500ish Rapier was used most back then, Yatagan was around back then, and Leonardo's Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DaVinciTankAtAmboise.jpeg)was made by Leonardo da Vinci(though mine is slightly different, as he made his so that the Tank could not move forward)

so they are set for the most part with tech from 1500-1815, though i may possibly add a few things up to 1840.

OK, cool. I get working on a TOE in a few days for the second Corner. Since, I'm in a pact with you thats good for me. Leaves opitions open. I'd take it up to the 1860. Modern weapons as we know them were just beginning to be made, however they were still mostly single shot and muzzle loading.

OOC: 1860s work for me

OOC: 1860s work for me

OCC: Me too, weapons are a little bit more advance, but their still muzzle loading single shot, only a few weapons by 1860 are breach loading weapons but, the ones around like the Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_repeating_rifle) were a single shot only.

Also, what population size are each of the four corners? Are they equally divided or do they all have different pops? Whats each corner Industry like? This will allow me to create a better TOE for the forces of the Second Corner.

I have a list up later today.

OCC: Me too, weapons are a little bit more advance, but their still muzzle loading single shot, only a few weapons by 1860 are breach loading weapons but, the ones around like the Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_repeating_rifle) were a single shot only.

Also, what population size are each of the four corners? Are they equally divided or do they all have different pops? Whats each corner Industry like? This will allow me to create a better TOE for the forces of the Second Corner.

I have a list up later today.

OOC: i sorta based population as split evenly, and Industry is based as listed

First: approximately that of the Roman Empire at its best
Second: something between Britain and the US between 1840 and 1860(to vague?)
Third: about that of the US in 1918
Fourth: about that of the US in 1945

along with the Spencer i was wondering if you will also add the Henry Rifle, Winchester M1866, or Chassepot

and i guess ships like the La Gloire and the Hunley class Submarine are acceptable

What is the tech of the third corner again?

OOC: i sorta based population as split evenly, and Industry is based as listed

First: approximately that of the Roman Empire at its best
Second: something between Britain and the US between 1840 and 1860(to vague?)
Third: about that of the US in 1918
Fourth: about that of the US in 1945

along with the Spencer i was wondering if you will also add the Henry Rifle, Winchester M1866, or Chassepot

and i guess ships like the La Gloire and the Hunley class Submarine are acceptable

Thats up to you, I was going to stop at 1860 exactly, but I would prefer to go until the 1860's. Gatling guns, Ironclads, much better weapons. Though not as good as the weapons of the Third Corner or Fouth, but still able to inflict atleast more damage and at better ranges and accuracy then basic smoothbore muskets. I'll have the list up shortly, then you can see if thats ok and I can modify it accourdingly.

And no the industies are not to vague. Thats what I needed is a time frame. and the pop size, so I can determine the size of a basic army. Both standing and Reserve.

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What is the tech of the third corner again?
World War 1 Tech- Specificly the year 1918 is the furtherest.

Well this is going to be over soon.
Hey! Can I sell the stuff that the Third Corner has and give them PMT?

Well this is going to be over soon.
Hey! Can I sell the stuff that the Third Corner has and give them PMT?

OOC: they wouldn't accept it....

I regret to inform you that I am retreating. I've just lost interest in the forums. Too much whining and bickering from people that have no knowledge of things. Sorry.

Thats up to you, I was going to stop at 1860 exactly, but I would prefer to go until the 1860's. Gatling guns, Ironclads, much better weapons. Though not as good as the weapons of the Third Corner or Fouth, but still able to inflict atleast more damage and at better ranges and accuracy then basic smoothbore muskets. I'll have the list up shortly, then you can see if thats ok and I can modify it accourdingly.

And no the industies are not to vague. Thats what I needed is a time frame. and the pop size, so I can determine the size of a basic army. Both standing and Reserve.

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World War 1 Tech- Specificly the year 1918 is the furtherest.

OOC: works for me

anything up to 1869 works

Umm...Scratch that of what I said earlier.
Okay. Let's see. I'm working with WWI technology. Hmm. Alrighty. Umm...Can I join the Fourth Corner instead?

OOC: WW1 is so much better then WW2. Cmon, don't chicken out!

It's just that the Third Corner doesn't know how my armaments work.

It's just that the Third Corner doesn't know how my armaments work.

Teach them then, send military advisors to show them how your stuff works. They'll catch on quick, Modern arms haven't change much since World War 1.

Then catch on quick,Modern arms haven't change much since World War 1.

OCC:Very, Very said but true.

-Dephire sends their best engineers to teach the soldiers of the third Corner how to use the weaponary of Dephire.-

"Okay. Now what?"

OCC: If diplomatic efforts fail (and they probabable will) I'll side with the Fourth corner.

-Dephire sends their best engineers to teach the soldiers of the third Corner how to use the weaponary of Dephire.-

"Okay. Now what?"

Well, Fourth is attacking you. I would suggest you used that army to either invaded their nation or secure your borders. Right now their in Third's territory wagging a guerrilla war. Lob some shells across the border to show them you are quite capable of defending yourself. You'll figure it out.

BTW, Hint- I would keep an eye on Second (me), I have apact with fourth to support them against Third (you).

...And why can't I just say..

"Screw you guys (Third Corner) I have trade routes with those other guys."

Lol. Ah well.

IC:

"Alright men. Fire those artillery cannons at first corner."

OCC: Ok, heres the TOE of the forces of Second Corner.

Sources- Organization (http://www.nps.gov/gett/getttour/armorg.htm), Small Arms Weapons (http://members.tripod.com/~ProlificPains/wpns.htm), Artillery Weapons (http://members.tripod.com/~ProlificPains/arty.htm) and Range of some Artillery Weapons (http://www.cwartillery.org/aguns.html).

Army
422 Infantry Regiments (Strength of 1,100 men)= 464,200 men
160 Cavalry Regiments (Strength of 1,100 men)= 176,000 men
28 Artillery Regiments (Strength of 1,100 men)= 30,800 men
Total Forces= 671,000 men active out of 885,000 available

Army Small Arms Weapons:
Model 1861 Springfield Rifle Musket (Infantry Use)= 154,000 in service
British Pattern Model 1853 Enfield Rifle Musket (Infantry Use)= 77,000 in use
Sharps Rifle (Infantry Use)= 13,200 in service
Spencer Rifle (Infantry Use)= 179,300 in service
Winchester Model 1866 Rifle (Infantry Use)= 38,500 in service
Chassepot Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chassepot)= 2,200 in service
Sharps Carbine (Cavalry Use)= 44,000 in service
Spencer Carbine (Cavalry Use)= 132,000 in service
Colt Rebolver Model 1860 Army and Model 1851 Navy (Cavalry Use)= 88,000 in service
Remington Revolvers Model 1861 Army and Navy (Cavalry Use)= 66,000 in service
Starr Single Action Army Revolvers (Cavalry Use)= 22,000 in service
Bayonet: Angular and Sword (Infantry Use)= 423,500 in service

Army Artillery Weapons:
12-Pounder "Napoleon" Field Gun, Model 1857= 360 in service(Effective Range of 1,620 yards)
10-Pounder "Parrott" Field Rifle, Model 1863= 180 in service(Effective Range of 2,000 yards)
20-Pounder "Parrott" Field Rifle= 120 in service(Effective Range of 2,100 yards)
3-Inch Ordnance Rifle= 240 in service(Effective Range of 1,850 yards)
12-Pounder Howitzer= 120 in service(Effective Range of 1,100 yards)
24-Pounder Howitzer= 120 in service(Effective Range of 1,325 yards)
12-Pounder Mountain Howitzer= 60 in service(Effective Range of 900 yards)
24-Pounder Coehorn Mortar= 60 in service(Effective Range of 1,200 yards)
8-Inch Siege Mortar= 60 in service(Effective Range of 1,200 yards)
10-Inch Siege Mortar= 120 in service(Effective Range of 2,100 yards)
Gatling Gun= 180 in service (Effective Range not known)

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Navy
Katahdin Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Katahdin_%281861%29)= 20 in service
New Ironside Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Ironsides_%281862%29)= 10 in service
Warrior Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_class_battleship)= 20 in service
Defense Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Defence_%281861%29)= 20 in service
Hector Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hector_%281862%29)= 20 in service
Minotaur Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Agincourt_%281865%29)= 30 in service
Prince Consort Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_Consort_%281862%29)= 40 in service
Ausacious Class Ironclad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Audacious_%281869%29)= 40 in service
Gloire Class Broadside Ironclads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_La_Gloire)= 30 in service
Monitor Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Monitor)= 10 in service
Passaic Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Passaic_%281862%29)= 20 in service
Dictator Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Dictator_%281863%29)= 10 in service
Puritan Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Puritan_%281864%29)= 20 in service
Onondaga Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Onondaga_%281864%29)= 10 in service
Miantonomah-Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Agamenticus_%281863%29)= 40 in service
Canonicus Class Coastal Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Canonicus_%281863%29)= 90 in service
Casco Class Light Draft Monitors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Casco_%281864%29)= 20 in service
Neosho Class River Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Neosho_%281863%29)= 20 in service
Milwaukee Class River Monitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Milwaukee_%281864%29)= 40 in service
Congress Class Frigate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Congress_%281841%29)= 10 in service
Constellation Class Sloop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_%281854%29)= 10 in service
Crusader Class Steamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Crusader_%281858%29)= 10 in service
Cumberland Class Frigate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cumberland_%281842%29)= 10 in service
Ellen Class Steamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ellen_%281861%29)= 10 in service
Sassacus class Steamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Eutaw)= 20 in service
Florida Class Steamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Florida_%281861%29)= 10 in service
Hartford Class Sloop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hartford_%281858%29)= 20 in service
Hendrick Class Steamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hendrick_Hudson_%281859%29)= 20 in service
Sabine Class Frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sabine_%281855%29)= 10 in service
Sacramento Class Sloop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sacramento_%281862%29)= 10 in service
Vicksburg Class Gunboat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Vicksburg_%281863%29)= 10 in service
Wyalusing Class Gunboat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wyalusing_%281863%29)= 10 in service
Hunley Class Submarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunley_%28submarine%29)= 20 in service

Total Personnel in Navy: 171,530 men out of 214,000 available
Total Ships: 690
Ironclads: 230
Frigates: 30
Steamers: 70
Monitors: 280
Gunboats: 20
Sloops-of-War: 40
Submarines: 20

OOC: useing the general data there, and what i want to mix into it. i have come up with this.

Infantry: 638,000
Winchester M1866: 142,000
Chassepot: 184,000
Spencer Rifle: 160,000
Baker Rifle: 46,000
Brown Bess: 46,000
Rapier: 20,000
Yatagan: 10,000
Cutlass: 30,000
Colt Revolver M1860: all
(note, no cavalry, it would get chewed up anyway...)

Artillery: 1,620
12-Pounder "Napoleon" Field Gun, Model 1857: 400
20-Pounder "Parrott" Field Rifle: 200
3-Inch Ordnance Rifle: 200
12-Pounder Howitzer: 200
10-Inch Siege Mortar: 20
Gatling Gun: 400
Demi-Culverin: 200

Tanks: 1,000
Leonardo's Tank

Ships: 600
Defense class Ironclads: 100
La Gloire class Ironclads: 50
Warrior class Ironclads: 50
Onondaga class Monitors: 200
Sassacus class Steamers: 70
Wyalusing class Gunboats: 20
Hartford class Sloops-of-Wars: 40
Victory class Ship-of-the-Lines: 20
Constitution class Frigates: 30
Hunley class Submarines: 20

OOC: useing the general data there, and what i want to mix into it. i have come up with this.

Infantry: 638,000
Winchester M1866: 142,000
Chassepot: 184,000
Spencer Rifle: 160,000
Baker Rifle: 46,000
Brown Bess: 46,000
Rapier: 20,000
Yatagan: 10,000
Cutlass: 30,000
Colt Revolver M1860: all
(note, no cavalry, it would get chewed up anyway...)

Artillery: 1,620
12-Pounder "Napoleon" Field Gun, Model 1857: 400
20-Pounder "Parrott" Field Rifle: 200
3-Inch Ordnance Rifle: 200
12-Pounder Howitzer: 200
10-Inch Siege Mortar: 20
Gatling Gun: 400
Demi-Culverin: 200

Tanks: 1,000
Leonardo's Tank

Ships: 600
Defense class Ironclads: 100
La Gloire class Ironclads: 50
Warrior class Ironclads: 50
Onondaga class Monitors: 200
Sassacus class Steamers: 70
Wyalusing class Gunboats: 20
Hartford class Sloops-of-Wars: 40
Victory class Ship-of-the-Lines: 20
Constitution class Frigates: 30
Hunley class Submarines: 20

I added some of the items you added, the ones I left out are Baker Rifle, the Brown Bess, the Rapier, the Yatagan, the Cutlass, the Demi-Culverin, Leonardo's Tank, Victory Class Ship of the Line and Constitution Class Frigate.

Heres why- those weapons were not in service in the 1850's and 1860's which was the time frame I was working in. Those frigates I've listed in my orginal list were in service during the American Civil war- which was my time frame. Thats while I included them. I also have a more variety of ships to give a better balance of a fleet. Multi-Purpose. The Baker Rifle is from the Napoleonic Wars and was replaced in the 1840s by the Brunswick Rifle (ie its obsolete in the time frame I used). The Brown Bess was a Flintlock smoothbore- compared to the Enfiled and Springfield Rifled Musket, the Brown Bess is obsolete, The Rapier-Yatagan-Cutlass are swords and by the 1860s swords were pretty much just used for ceremony purposes (Though I can still add them if you want, officers were given swords). I left out Leonardo's tank because against the weapons of Third and Fourth corner- its not just obsolete but a death trap. Even the weapons I listed- the Springfield can at 500 yards have its bullet go through 6 inches of Pine. Leo's tank was made from wood. The Demi-Culerin was a naval gun, an obsolete one at that by the 1860s. In was in use in the 1600s.

The weapons I left out, would be better located and used in Firsts Corner military.

As for the cavalry, your thinking of them as in use during the 18th century- but I'm thinking of their use as in 19th century. As in mobile Infantry. When they get to a battle, they dismount and fight as normal infantry, then when they need to relocate in a hurry- they remount and strike at a different spot. Hit and run. Their not going to charge into a line of infantry, their going to either dismount-fight or flank-dismount-attack from rear.

As for the Arillery and Small Arms- you should leave all that I listed, it gives a good variety of arms. In a major war- nations often don't have enough weapons to meet needs- having different weapons in use shows that which is like real life. I hope that makes sense.

The Royal Senate has officially recognized the claims of the Fourth corner. Though we are allies with the Griffencrest Corp, we are certainly capable of assisting war-exhausted nations as a measure to establish good international relations.

The senior royal military commanders are still deciding on what size of a force to commit.

EDIT: is this now a past-tech thread?

The Royal Senate has officially recognized the claims of the Fourth corner. Though we are allies with the Griffencrest Corp, we are certainly capable of assisting war-exhausted nations as a measure to establish good international relations.

The senior royal military commanders are still deciding on what size of a force to commit.

EDIT: is this now a past-tech thread?

OOC: its a PT class nation, but always in a MT world. if you send in MT forces i prefer the idea of a very small group(1,000-10,000), this leaves the larger actions to the corners, form whom most of the fighting should take place.

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Baker Rifle, the Brown Bess, the Rapier, the Yatagan, the Cutlass, the Demi-Culverin, Leonardo's Tank, Victory Class Ship of the Line and Constitution Class Frigate.

Heres why- those weapons were not in service in the 1850's and 1860's which was the time frame I was working in.

the reason i added them, is

1: i want them in there, if i was building my military simply to be able to fight, rsther then mixing it the way i want it, i would be useing MT, or playing in the PT area

2: they are weapons in the given time frame

Baker Rifle and the Brown Bess are few in numbers compared to the others, once could say that they are turning them in for the Chassepot ect over time rather then right away

the Rapier is for light guard and such

the Yatagan is for the "special guard" an elite unit of 10,000 troops generaly they can also take other troops weapons, but there standard weapon is a Yatagan

the Cutlass is a fiarly good quiet weapon and its fair training for use of a Yatagan

the Demi-Culverin i guess can be removed for 24-Pounder Coehorn Mortars

Leonardo's Tank has fairly thick wood that is supposedly made to better withstand impacts from and deflect bullets(sure this is based on 1500 tech, but it should still work a little) i suppose the number of them can be reduced, and they could be useded simply for fighting the First Corner

Victory Class Ship of the Line has the same story as the Brown Bess and Baker Rifle and can be used as a training ship

the Constitution Class Frigate, as i remember was considered still active at this time, if only as a training ship.

well i have to go for now. be back in a few to finish this post up...

As for the cavalry, your thinking of them as in use during the 18th century- but I'm thinking of their use as in 19th century


i was more thinking of how cavalry faired in WW1...(unless i have been mis informed about them in WW1)


As for the Arillery and Small Arms- you should leave all that I listed, it gives a good variety of arms. In a major war- nations often don't have enough weapons to meet needs- having different weapons in use shows that which is like real life. I hope that makes sense

i rather like it the way i have it now...i have quite a bit of the Artillery you listed, and a fair variety of small arms

how does The Republic of Ranton get involved in the four corners war

how does The Republic of Ranton get involved in the four corners war

OOC: that depends on how you want to enter

bump for all the people who need it...

I'm just going to say that this thread is dead...

Dude, Great Four Corners hasn't been on in weeks. And congrats on your 1000th post.

This is my 1000th post! GO ME!!!

I'm just going to say that this thread is dead...

You just noticed? I'm just going to say its been dead for weeks. But, as they also say- better late then never.