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THE ERRIKAN EMPIRE (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flag018pz.jpg)
Today Christian I, Emperor of the Errikan Empire, or Errikland, has announced a new program to modernize the Errikan naval, and areal, resources.

This modernization includes a completerevamping of the current naval and areal forces as well as a massive addition to these branches of the military, which have genrally been neglected in favor of the Imperial Army.

To be sure that the best of the best is used, the Empire's government is looking to purchase designs for everything from super dreadnoughts to aircraft to be modified by Errikan engineers to our uses. We are willing to pay, and all transactions will be made in Errikan Marks, which have been frozen at about 1.392 American Dollars or 1.15 Euros.

OOC: This is the thread for reactions and sales of various designs. Know that I will pay well for good items, though I will not pay excessive amounts, and that all designs will probably be heavily modified.

before we work on any designs do you have any specifications?

before we work on any designs do you have any specifications?

It must be MT/PMT and work. Also, I would like it to be durable with relatively low mantinence. Of course there is power, speed (with some things), and accuracy to account for as well.

you should try PIW
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777

you should try PIW
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777

They seem to be only selling equipment, not designs. My manufactureres are more than capable of building things, but I seek to buy designs from which to build. If I must, then perhaps I shall buy some of the equipment and study it, though buying direct designs would be far more effiecient for both parties, especially as I have no intention to use them in an unadulterated form.

Currently we have a light destroyer up used for light patrols and anti sub warfare.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Destoryer.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Destroyer2.jpg

we are working on a Destroyer built for ship to ship combat, A heavy missile cruiser, and a heavy battle ship

Currently we have a light destroyer up used for light patrols and anti sub warfare.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Destoryer.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Destroyer2.jpg

we are working on a Destroyer built for ship to ship combat, A heavy missile cruiser, and a heavy battle ship

Interesting, as we currently have nothing along the lines of a light destroyer, and would be interested in improving our own destroyers.

What are the dimensions?

OOC: Check out my storefront in my sig. It has a couple of naval designs that may interest you.

Interesting, as we currently have nothing along the lines of a light destroyer, and would be interested in improving our own destroyers.

What are the dimensions?

Height: 50m
Length: 200m

Engines: Twin shaft COGOG: Main: 2 Pratt & Whitney FT4-A2
main gas turbines producing 50,000 shaft horsepower; Cruise: 2 Allison, 570-KF cruise gas turbines producing appropriately 7,500 shp.

Armerments:250mm rapid fire gunx2, Twin 200mm War ship cannonsx1, 76mm CIWx4, 10 x anti-ship missile launcher; anti-air missile launchers, 4 Torpedo launchers

Height: 100m
Length: 600m

Engines: Twin shaft COGOG: Main: 2 Pratt & Whitney FT4-A2
main gas turbines producing 50,000 shaft horsepower; Cruise: 2 Allison, 570-KF cruise gas turbines producing appropriately 7,500 shp.

Armerments:250mm rapid fire gunx2, Twin 200mm War ship cannonsx1, 76mm CIWx4, 10 x anti-ship missile launcher; anti-air missile launchers, 4 Torpedo launchers

I assume the light destroyer. This looks great, how much do you want for the design?

we will give you this design and a up comeing Missile Frigate design for 30 million USD

OOC: am almost done the missile frigate

we will give you this design and a up comeing Missile Frigate design for 30 million USD

OOC: am almost done the missile frigate

That sounds reasonable. Done.

Though I did say that all transactions shall be done in Errikan Marks :)

alright then

here it is wether its a enemy fleet or a large shore defence system this missile Frigate will take it all down.


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate3.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate4.jpg

alright then

here it is wether its a enemy fleet or a large shore defence system this missile Frigate will take it all down.


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate3.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/ZAFT20/Frigate4.jpg

excellent pics

Could you give me the numbers here too?

no problem

Height: 50m
Length: 300m

Engines: Twin shaft COGOG: Main: 2 Pratt & Whitney FT4-A2
main gas turbines producing 50,000 shaft horsepower; Cruise: 2 Allison, 570-KF cruise gas turbines producing appropriately 7,500 shp.

Armerments:250mm rapid fire gunx1, Twin 200mm War ship cannonsx1, 76mm CIWx4, 168 x anti-ship missile launchers; anti-air missile launchers; Anti-Ground missile launchers.

OOC: its 168 individual missile tubes which are in groups of 4

no problem

Height: 100m
Length: 700m

Engines: Twin shaft COGOG: Main: 2 Pratt & Whitney FT4-A2
main gas turbines producing 50,000 shaft horsepower; Cruise: 2 Allison, 570-KF cruise gas turbines producing appropriately 7,500 shp.

Armerments:250mm rapid fire gunx1, Twin 200mm War ship cannonsx1, 76mm CIWx4, 168 x anti-ship missile launchers; anti-air missile launchers; Anti-Ground missile launchers.

OOC: its 168 individual missile tubes which are in groups of 4

Good!

alright then the plans will be delivered to you on time. and we will personal build the first ships of the line of both the light Destroyer and the frigate. The ships will be in your nation in a few days

alright then the plans will be delivered to you on time. and we will personal build the first ships of the line of both the light Destroyer and the frigate. The ships will be in your nation in a few days

We do not want the ships themselves. We will modify the designs heavily before coming out with a final product.

oh well we will keep the ships and give you the designs

oh well we will keep the ships and give you the designs

'k

OOC: Here are my naval designs I wish to show you:

Battleaxe-Class Battledreadnought (equivalent of a SD) (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=9)
Gladiator-Class Dreadnought (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=8)
Conquerer-Class Heavy Supercarrier (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=10)
Swiftsure-Class Light Fleet Carrier (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=7)

Erm, I suggest you dont' go ahead with Spit Break's designs, there are a number of problems:

1.) Besides height not being commonly measured AT ALL in naval design, these ships would either have to have a gant draught and a giant metacentric height, really which both are bad.

2.) No bream, draught, displacement, complement, or systems mentioned. For all you know these boats might be 1m wide, 1m deep, weigh 5,000 tons, and powered by 1 man and his radio.

3.) Completely unrealistic SHP. Less SHP than a Nimitz, and about twice the length... nice...

4.) Entirely useless weaponry.

OOC: he did say he was going to heavily modify the designs and who real gives a crap the weapons are vary effective and so i got the length wrong so what? just a mistake

[OOC: I recommend that you go to the Royal Shipyards of Isselmere-Nieland. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484448) Or the Portland Iron Works of Sarzonia. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777) Your choice, really.]

Hmm... Spit Breaks, why don't you go to the Draftroom, and get help with those designs?

I'm guessing you're probably a bit annoyed that people are trying to damage your business as you are closing a deal, but if you go the NSDraftroom, and seek advice, you may end up with ships that are percieved to be more effective in the NS(and RL) world.

In the mean time, why don't you put this order on hold and check out the PIW, until things are improved?

'Armerments:250mm rapid fire gunx1, Twin 200mm War ship cannonsx1, 76mm CIWx4, 168 x anti-ship missile launchers; anti-air missile launchers; Anti-Ground missile launchers.


Why would you mix 250mm and 200mm? And what the hell is a 'War ship cannons'? Why would you possibly choose 76mm 'CIW[S]' when the highest practical bore is 50mm? 168 anti shipping missiles? As opposed to the 1,000~ that ships this size should mount?

Yes, I suggest you visit the draftroom, here is the link; http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?

Due to things recently brought to light, I am suspending the order of designs until the further information is produced.

OOC: Here are my naval designs I wish to show you:

Battleaxe-Class Battledreadnought (equivalent of a SD) (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=9)
Gladiator-Class Dreadnought (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=8)
Conquerer-Class Heavy Supercarrier (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=10)
Swiftsure-Class Light Fleet Carrier (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?showtopic=7)

How much would you like for the designs? They are quite impressive (though the measurements do not mean much to me as I am an ignorant n00b with such matters)

OOC: The prices for each design is listed in the description.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/Imperial%20Praetonian%20Shipyards/IPS_banner.png (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469451)
Click for storefront

OOC: The prices for each design is listed in the description.

Those are the prices of the ships themselves . . .

Those are the prices of the ships themselves . . .

OOC: Then what are you looking for?

He wants production and modification rights.

OOC: Oh sorry but I don't sell production rights to any of my equipment. I do sell Limited Domestic Production Rights in the form that you pay a royalty of 25% for each unit produced at home. But that's the closest you'll get to production rights.

Whoa.. massive Storefront Dogpile haha...

Why don't you guy's just give Spitbreak a hand with the designs, rather than trying to out-do him business wise?

I mean this OOC-ly, as IC-ly, as we all know, Competition is the name of the game.

OOC: Oh sorry but I don't sell production rights to any of my equipment. I do sell Limited Domestic Production Rights in the form that you pay a royalty of 25% for each unit produced at home. But that's the closest you'll get to production rights.

Thank you, but no.

bump

. . . So that's it . . . ?

[OOC: I think that you have to post in the storefront owners' threads to get the products you want.]