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These days tear gas is a very common gas for riot supression and other things. However, we feel the stuff is simply not effective enough. To put it more specifically it doesn't strike enough fear into people. What we need is a gas that is non lethal-temporary, but something to fear. Such a thing is what Kubra needs, so we will be willing to buy a sample of any substitutes that can be provided. We care not for the ocst, as long as it works.

[Temorary genitile herpes spray would be an awsome weapon. So evil....]

[Temorary genitile herpes spray would be an awsome weapon. So evil....]

OOC: How do you make a temp. virus?

We offer you the Model-RW Nerve Gas. Designed for riot supression or combat situations, it strikes fear into the most brave people. It directly attacks the nerve sytem, cause massive discomfort of every sense, this lasts one minute, before they pass out, they are passed out for up to six hours.

[Temorary genitile herpes spray would be an awsome weapon. So evil....] OOC: I was leaning more towards Diarrhia gas.

OCC: We can offer you the Gay gas

We offer you the Model-RW Nerve Gas. Designed for riot supression or combat situations, it strikes fear into the most brave people. It directly attacks the nerve sytem, cause massive discomfort of every sense, this lasts one minute, before they pass out, they are passed out for up to six hours. Hmm, tell us waht you mean by "massive discomfort".

OCC: We can offer you the Gay gas OOC: We want to torture them, not us.

OCC: Use gas masks.
by Discomfort, we mean,
Smell: Smell worse than death
Touch: Like thousands of scorpions are stinging you
Taste: You are eating poop
Sight: So mnay flashes of colors it overwhelms you.
Hearing: Louder than thousands of Shells, just barely to the point of breaking your eardrum but not quite.

OCC: Use gas masks.
by Discomfort, we mean,
Smell: Smell worse than death
Touch: Like thousands of scorpions are stinging you
Taste: You are eating poop
Sight: So mnay flashes of colors it overwhelms you.
Hearing: Louder than thousands of Shells, just barely to the point of breaking your eardrum but not quite. We would hve been taken had it not been for the taste if poop, some people enjoy it (he's with the foods department).

We can always change that. Vomit perhaps?

We can always change that. Vomit perhaps? How about Mrs. Jenkins's mouth after a night on the town?

Will do.
We will make the changes it will take on NS month
blueprints will be delieverd then.
Free to our Kubrarian Allies.

Will do.
We will make the changes it will take on NS month
blueprints will be delieverd then.
Free to our Kubrarian Allies. Good, we wish to test this new chemical compound as fast as we can.

Of Course. One month is as fast as we can do.

Pale Rider Arms will happily provide you with KoloBac, the most potent riot control agent in the Otagian arsenal. While quite painless, its effectiveness is without question, and its potential lethality is minimal. More information on the agent can be found attached to this message. We hope you consider our offer.

Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms

KoloBac


Category: Riot Control
Symptoms: Possible numbness, possible light-headedness, near instantaneous unconsciousness (duration of approximately 2 hours after exposure)
Possible After Effects: rarely nausea, headache, tiredness
Vector: Inhaled, contact

An excellent choice for crowd control, KoloBac is a bacterial crowd suppression agent. Feeding off of other microorganisms, KoloBac digests them, and secretes an aerosolized form of Carfentanil (arguably the world’s most potent analgesic), as well as a specialized chemical that blocks certain receptors for Carfentanil, preventing lethal dosages. KoloBac covers an area with a cloud of these chemicals, which will last as long as the bacteria are still present. Clean-up is relatively easy, simply spray high powered bleach on the effected area, and the heavy ground-clinging bacteria will be killed. Within twenty minutes, the cloud will disperse. The bacteria are also sensitive to extreme heat and cold, and will survive approximately 10 minutes in such environments.

Protective measures can be taken to prevent exposure to Carfentanil. The suggested method is a sealed NBC suit, with gas mask or independent air supply. This is due to the fact that Carfentanil can and will penetrate the epidermis, reaching an effective dosage within seconds.

Carfentanil on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil)

Cost: 400,000,000 USD per sample

What about "Orgasm" gas?

That'd be very effective IMO :D

Pale Rider Arms will happily provide you with KoloBac, the most potent riot control agent in the Otagian arsenal. While quite painless, its effectiveness is without question, and its potential lethality is minimal. More information on the agent can be found attached to this message. We hope you consider our offer.

Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms It's too painless, we wnat something to strike fear into the hearts of people.

What about "Orgasm" gas?

That'd be very effective IMO :D ....Mayben not for riot control, but go on....I think I would like to buy some.

One word: Hallucegens

BZ? (I only remember the western designation for this gas)

LSD might also be used to causes a "bad trip",

The downside is that you can accidentally give the victims a fatal overdose with current CW delivery systems (gas bombs and chambers may create heavily concentrated [and fatal] pockets).

This however is true for all "non-lethal" weapons: [Russian Moscow theater hostage incident]

BZ was determined the most effective rear area suppressent (although a little too effective at breaking up unit cohesion)


Some form of inhaled Opium poppy dust/ash could potentially work with a wider dosage range than LSD (less than that required for CS to give you watery eyes will kill you for LSD). But dosage would be cut and try only.

I would recommend you add a "thinning agent", some sort of filler, to lower the dosage to non fatal levels (then you will need a way to disperse it sufficently to prevent pockets of death).
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But a 'diareha/flatulence (farting) gas' could work wonders at clearing a building, dispersing crowds, and humiliating political rivals.

It would also lower the combat effectiveness of the enemy troops and make them easier to find.
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Hmmm, mix the two together and what do you get?

One word: Hallucegens
BZ?
((OOC: you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-quinuclidinyl_benzilate))

Yep, that's the stuff.

Currently looking up the feasability to make a person get diarrea and fart though. (step 2 of the terror gas)

Best source I found so far:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stink_bomb

Found Part two to new terror weapon!
DDT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organophosphate#Organophosphate_poisoning_.28see_nerve_gas.29

Yep, that's the stuff.

Currently looking up the feasability to make a person get diarrea and fart though. (step 2 of the terror gas)

Best source I found so far:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stink_bomb If it works I'll buy a sample.

Found it, small (but useful) amounts of organophosphates such as Tabun or DDT could be used to force the enemy to defecate/fart/vomit. (slight cancer/asphixiation/organ failure risk)

Add LSD, BZ or hallucigen of choice and a "booster" malodorous stinkbomb and you've got a world beating RCA.

It also kills mosquitoes and small rodents too!

Found it, small (but useful) amounts of organophosphates such as Tabun or DDT could be used to force the enemy to defecate. (slight cancer/asphixiation/organ failure risk)

Add LSD, BZ or hallucigen of choice and a "booster" malodorous stinkbomb and you've got a world beating RCA. Crapper gas......It's perfect. I would like to buy a sample off you for reproduction.

Crapper gas......It's perfect. I would like to buy a sample off you for reproduction.

Sorry, but PROHT does not stockpile (officially) organophosphates, although you can get a hold of some at your local lawn and gardens store under "pesticides".
(Modern Organophosphate: Malathion and Parathion)

As for part one (hallucigens) PROHT stocks LSD and Ergot, though I could ask the druggy down the street for large stocks of Opium.

As foor the "booster", well, just get a lot of sulfur dioxide, you can get this simply by heating sulphur over a bunsen burner (makes metals brittle though).

This is my polite way of saying it isn't for sale, "roll your own".

Sorry, but PROHT does not stockpile (officially) organophosphates, although you can get a hold of some at your local lawn and gardens store under "pesticides".

As for part one (hallucigens) PROHT stocks LSD and Ergot, though I could ask the druggy down the street for large stocks of Opium.

As foor the "booster", well, just get a lot of sulfur dioxide, you can get this simply by heating sulphur over a bunsen burner (makes metals brittle though).

This is my polite way of saying it isn't for sale, "roll your own". I understand.

This will aid us in toruture I mean mob control.

It shall be interesting to see how the stuff works undern "operating conditions" (how much others will agree to its effectiveness/effects).

There may be a great stigma aganst you using Tabun as an RCA (although many NS storefronts sell it), and I would like to point you to a more modern and less contraversial nerve agent. (see above [add also "Chlordane"]).

If you are willing, PROHT will send 10 advisors and 100 test subjects for $10,000 and shareing of notes for production of said agent. (this will add clout when someone challenges validity of your agent) This is to help you fine tune your chemical agent to meet your desired resaults.

It shall be interesting to see how the stuff works undern "operating conditions" (how much others will agree to its effectiveness/effects).

There may be a great stigma aganst you using Tabun as an RCA (although many NS storefronts sell it), and I would like to point you to a more modern and less contraversial nerve agent. (see above [add also "Chlordane"]).

If you are willing, PROHT will send 10 advisors and 100 test subjects for $10,000 and shareing of notes for production of said agent. (this will add clout when someone challenges validity of your agent) This is to help you fine tune your chemical agent to meet your desired resaults. we're not looking for a nerve agent, msot of them just cause someone ot pas out. The reason we want this gas is because it will discourage people form rioting.

The nerve agent is what causes them to lose control of their "bodily functions".

Although it has been noted that BZ already does this to a degree.
But BZ has been also noted to create "friendly fire" and mass hallucinations.

BZ, like all "weapons grade gasses", are sold at various NS storefronts.

In the meantime, I may have stumbled on a very inexpensive yet potent 3 stage chemical weapon system as outlined above (malodorant acts first, followed by hallucinations then total loss of control over select "bodily functions" such as farting/defecation/vomiting)


hydrogen sulfide based Malodorants
3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate/Mescaline/LSD/Opium/(Ecstasy/MDMA?)
suitable nerve agents: Chlordane/Tabun/Parathion/Malathion
(all except Tabun are legitimately used as pesticides)


Those who escape such a gas attack would be mentally scarred for life (something like post traumatic stress disorder).

I might use this stuff on The Parthians during a later engaegement, since PROHT's stocks o HE-80 (a chemical composition that we spent a great deal of resources developing) only proved to be a super potent painkiller to send otherwise 'dead' or dying troops back into combat.

PROHT is going to use a Sulfur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide)/LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD)/Chlordane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlordane) mix on Parthians and find out what would happen.
(Pelsgard urban fighting, watch Officer "Marcus Gable")

ooc my FT nation uses a particularly nasty series of bacteria that gives horrific diarhea and quickly. It attacks the system, causing the terrifying symptoms that ensue. However as the symptoms reach the pound of stress tolerances on the body of the intended target, it goes dormant. Then it comes back..until we give you the cure or you find your own. Its alot like a symbiotic parasite that makes your life horrible until you surrender.

OOC: Tear gas is just fine for crowd control.

Ever been hit by it?

But if you must, use something better than a chemical, like directed energy weapons and lasers that are strong enough to produce sensory-disabling effects but aren't able to cause actual damage to tissue.

I think he's after something a little more potant than the stuff we use in Madison (State Street in particular) every halloween.
(Yes, UW Madison-Wisconsin has cut down on the amount of tear gas used per year by warning the crowds to disperse with a new speaker system)

So I suggested a gas that could be absobed via skin contact. And would create debilitating mental/physical ailments. Even the threat of such a gas would be a deterant all in itself.

With proper treatment (which would also allow ample time to process them into the internal affairs daabase) they could be restored to normal health. Without it they would stick out like a sore thumb. And some would be marked for life as a "rioter" and could easily be shunned by the community.

The Federated Republics use high pitched sound ways, to high for most humanoids to hear, but it hits the nervous system, causing the sensation of horror.

The Federated Republics use high pitched sound ways, to high for most humanoids to hear, but it hits the nervous system, causing the sensation of horror.

It will do the same thing to yourself (if you are humaniod of course). Sound radiates in all directions. Unless you plan on dropping an unmanned speaker in an enemy base it wouldn't be practical.
(and even then you'd bneed to keep them from turning it off or destroying it)
[Marvel Comics solution (in order to allow sonic weapons to be toted by almost all the rich technicly inclined charachters [had a brother who was really into comic books]) was to 'invent' vibranium]

Increase the volume and lower the pitch a little more and you could rupture internal organs and demolish buildings. (Also known as "death by MP3 Player", though you'd need headphones capable of sending such sound waves [which most sound systems thankfully can't do])

It will do the same thing to yourself (if you are humaniod of course). Sound radiates in all directions. Unless you plan on dropping an unmanned speaker in an enemy base it wouldn't be practical.
(and even then you'd bneed to keep them from turning it off or destroying it)

Increase the volume and lower the pitch a little more and you could rupture internal organs and demolish buildings. (Also known as "death by MP3 Player", though you'd need headphones capable of sending such sound waves [which most sound systems thankfully can't do])

Wonderful things, experimental crossbreeds. We would have gassed them all by now, if they weren't...

Im not sure what its called but there is currently a sonic weapon in development, if you stand in front of it, it is extremly loud, but if you stand to the sides or back you can barely hear it, i think its called Long Range Acoustic Device or Directed Acoustic Device, something like that.Also theres the Active Denial System (ADS), it works by directing electromagnetic radiation or microwaves, it is extremly effective for riots.

Im not sure what its called but there is currently a sonic weapon in development, if you stand in front of it, it is extremly loud, but if you stand to the sides or back you can barely hear it, i think its called Long Range Acoustic Device or Directed Acoustic Device, something like that.Also theres the Active Denial System (ADS), it works by directing electromagnetic radiation or microwaves, it is extremly effective for riots.

What about echoes?

They are rubber, you are glue, sound bounces off them and sticks to you

Sound doesn't work exactly that way, but that is the general rule. Sound in a condfined area (like a room or city street; which is where most riots take place) will bounce around and make high pressure zones in the corners (if any are present).

End resualt is that everyone will be in a lot of pain if you use a directed sound weapon in a confined area.

Directed energy weapons though novel and new, may not be what he is looking for, since he wants range and a massive "fear factor", a visable smoke cloud for example. You can't se sound or radio waves creep up to you and make the crowd slowly lose control of their bodily fluids all over the street.

(And then there would be the option of dive bombing with "poo gas")

And when all else fails, bring out the hose!

I could picture a lot of Zombie RPs quickly ending if they simply brought out the fire hose and sprayed them into submission (stream is powerful enough to rip off skin, and in some cases break rocks)

Hmm, I just realized that CS (common tear gas), your run of the mill RCA, will cause vomiting and intestinal gas, at least according to people on NS. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10795231&postcount=305)

Shells arched over Dillons head, and he saw them make impact with the Earth. He could only imagine the surprise on the Pudite soldiers faces when they realized it wasn't explosive. No, much worse. CS gas. Worst part is, it wasn't lethal, even though they would probably wish it was. This gas would cause excruciating pain, blindness, and un-controllable bladder malfunctions for over two hours. After ten shells were fired, nearly three thousand yards back, all Pudite soldiers were going to be blind, paralyzed with pain, and pissing and crapping themselves uncontrollably. And the best part was, that there was no undoing the affects, the enemy was going to have to cope with it, and there were many more shells where that came from. By the time he was done with them, if they still wanted to fight, they wouldnt have any soldiers healthy enough to do it.

And that gas is sold and manufactured very much around NS.

Its military application is a little less popular.

It won't cause hallucinations, but a little bit-o-Agent 15/BZ/QND will solve that...

Sort of ironic that a higher doseage of tear gas laced with hallucigens is "Better than tear gas".