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Phoenix Dynamix is proud to present, the Worlds First truely "Airborne Tank"!
AT-1 Jellybean Airborne Tank
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/ahahaharofl.png
The AT-1 Jellybean is a unique all new close airsupport aircraft from Phoenix Dynamix. The Jelly bean is unique in that it must take off from an upside down positon and then preform a barrel-roll manuever. The turret is mounted on the "belly" of the aircraft and can swivel 360 degrees. With its 16 missile, 140mm tank cannon, 30mm chaingun and 15.5mm machinegun it can rain hellish destruction down from above, decimating your unsuspecting foe, and the armored compartments keep the crew safe from shrapnel and up to 25mm shell strikes.
Weapons:
[1] 140mm Tank Cannon
[1] 30mm Chaingun Cannon
[1] 15.5mm Machinegun
[16] Hellfire Anti-Tank Missiles
Range: 1,000 miles
Ceiling: 40,000 ft
Engines: (2) PhoenixDynamix RD-45 High-Bypass Turbofan Engines
Max Speed: 400mph
Crusing Speed: 300mph
Crew: 6
Counter Measures
[40] RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
[40] MJU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
PDXLLEL-1 anti IR missile laser dazzler

Price:
$350 million

ph34r :p

((Flying tank? (http://www.aviation.ru/An/kt-40-1.gif) The Soviets had that idea some time ago! Not quite the same thing, but I couldn't resist chipping-in, anyway :) ))

sweet

OOC: I would like to say that is a pretty sweet idea, but i get the feeling it is in danger of being shot down quite easily by say a 40mm cannon...however its much like a helicopter but its a pretty cool concept. I like the idea, but take off upside down must make you feel a bit sick :P.

Excellent concept.

You can buy 'em you know :D

OOC: How is this actually a tank? It's just an aircraft with a freakin' turret affixed to it! It can't do anything on the ground - it's like an A-10 or a normal aircraft. Only the aerodynamics must be screwed up with that massive turret on it. And how is it useful when it's ten times the price of a B-52?

Its a plane with a tank-turret.
That's the export cost.
The price is not that high though, considering an AC-130U costs $190 million.

The price is not that high though, considering an AC-130U costs $190 million.

Um...Considering you have roughly similar armament but cost almost twice as much, the price is indeed that high.

Yes its expensive and yes its not going to be manovarable probably(im thinking it would need jets that can swivel around to manover...)

Another thing that 140mm gun would have to be recoiless and also have a really small kick or it would send the plane flying.

IC: VM is sad to say that currently we see no need for such an aircraft, however in the future when the defence research departments budget is further increased we would be interested in purchasing some to test and evaluate.

OOC: I say get a couple and send then into someone else's terretory, i like the idea but there are issues, as has been raised. Then again, its not been said their actually any good :P. Oh and it probably weighs a lot right?

ooc: Rather like it, myself..Although I will be the first to admit that I am fond of off the wall aircraft designs..Just can't afford any yet..

ooc: Rather like it, myself..Although I will be the first to admit that I am fond of off the wall aircraft designs..Just can't afford any yet..

1.4billion USD for your defence ministery, you could buy say 4 of them, i expect they'd thrash any enemies you would face as being small(as am i) all we're going to be facing are nations of under 50million pop, with nothing better than M60A3's or some such tank type :D

:D :D
Phoenix Dynamix is proud to present, the Worlds First truely "Airborne Tank"!
AT-1 Jellybean Airborne Tank
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/ahahaharofl.png
The AT-1 Jellybean is a unique all new close airsupport aircraft from Phoenix Dynamix. The Jelly bean is unique in that it must take off from an upside down positon and then preform a barrel-roll manuever. The turret is mounted on the "belly" of the aircraft and can swivel 360 degrees. With its 16 missile, 140mm tank cannon, 30mm chaingun and 15.5mm machinegun it can rain hellish destruction down from above, decimating your unsuspecting foe, and the armored compartments keep the crew safe from shrapnel and up to 25mm shell strikes.
Weapons:
[1] 140mm Tank Cannon
[1] 30mm Chaingun Cannon
[1] 15.5mm Machinegun
[16] Hellfire Anti-Tank Missiles
Range: 1,000 miles
Ceiling: 40,000 ft
Engines: (2) PhoenixDynamix RD-45 High-Bypass Turbofan Engines
Max Speed: 400mph
Crusing Speed: 300mph
Crew: 6
Counter Measures
[40] RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
[40] MJU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
PDXLLEL-1 anti IR missile laser dazzler

Price:
$350 million

ph34r :p

Interesting Design- Their are a few things on it that could cause a problem, but they could be worked out. I say this is one of your better designs. As for raining hellish destruction down from above- only thing its going to be raining is scrap win it takes a missile up its tailpipe.
1. Would be better to put the turret on the top if you really want a turret, a 30mm Chain gun armed with DU rounds are just as good, if not better. Having the turret on the belly of the aircraft creates problems- your going to need large landing gear to keep the turret from damageing the plane and the runways it takes off from. Also, a missile would do more damage then the turret. Which is while you see lots of missiles on the A-10 and not huge ass turrets.
2. 1,000 miles is pretty far given the weight the plane is going to weigh. I'd say 500-800 miles would be max.
3. 6 Crew, seems more like a bomber- thats alot of crew for a plane designed to provided close air support. But, hey thats more enemy I get to kill if that plane ever flys near my territory.
4. Might have to reduced the missile load to say 12 or 10 or 8 for reduce the weight that is used for the turret and its ammunition- which isn't going to many rounds. I also, have no idea how accurate that cannon is going to be, the plane would have to be in a holding pattern flying in a circle of something like that for the cannon to achieve a 100% hit rate- there by making the aircraft more exposed to being hit.

Other then those problems- looks good. I would still like to know the length, width, height, fuel capacity so on.

Interesting Design- Their are a few things on it that could cause a problem, but they could be worked out. I say this is one of your better designs. As for raining hellish destruction down from above- only thing its going to be raining is scrap win it takes a missile up its tailpipe.
1. Would be better to put the turret on the top if you really want a turret, a 30mm Chain gun armed with DU rounds are just as good, if not better. Having the turret on the belly of the aircraft creates problems- your going to need large landing gear to keep the turret from damageing the plane and the runways it takes off from. Also, a missile would do more damage then the turret. Which is while you see lots of missiles on the A-10 and not huge ass turrets.
2. 1,000 miles is pretty far given the weight the plane is going to weigh. I'd say 500-800 miles would be max.
3. 6 Crew, seems more like a bomber- thats alot of crew for a plane designed to provided close air support. But, hey thats more enemy I get to kill if that plane ever flys near my territory.
4. Might have to reduced the missile load to say 12 or 10 or 8 for reduce the weight that is used for the turret and its ammunition- which isn't going to many rounds. I also, have no idea how accurate that cannon is going to be, the plane would have to be in a holding pattern flying in a circle of something like that for the cannon to achieve a 100% hit rate- there by making the aircraft more exposed to being hit.

Other then those problems- looks good. I would still like to know the length, width, height, fuel capacity so on.

Well thats why it takes off upside down if i am not much mistaken....barrel rolling shouldn't be a major problem i expect.

OCC: you would be better of building a blimp with 10 times the amount of guns on the C-130 gunship. and armoring the crap out of it.

To protect the main body of the blimp first place 2 inches of Kevlar under the outer skin of the blimp, then cover the back of that with your strongest lightest metal, then put 1/16th of an inch of aluminum to seal the whole thing up.

OCC: you would be better of building a blimp with 10 times the amount of guns on the C-130 gunship. and armoring the crap out of it.

To protect the main body of the blimp first place 2 inches of Kevlar under the outer skin of the blimp, then cover the back of that with your strongest lightest metal, then put 1/16th of an inch of aluminum to seal the whole thing up.

OOC: And the weight of that would be? I expect it would have to be one huge blimp which a tank situated on a hill could aim at and destroy with one shot.....all that gas escaping would not be good for it.

OOC: And the weight of that would be? I expect it would have to be one huge blimp which a tank situated on a hill could aim at and destroy with one shot.....all that gas escaping would not be good for it.
OCC: wieghtless. helum is lighter thanair. to make up for the extra wieght more helum bags will be added.

It is in bags. I would add enough so that you could loose 2 or 3 and still beable to fly.

OCC: you would be better of building a blimp with 10 times the amount of guns on the C-130 gunship. and armoring the crap out of it.

To protect the main body of the blimp first place 2 inches of Kevlar under the outer skin of the blimp, then cover the back of that with your strongest lightest metal, then put 1/16th of an inch of aluminum to seal the whole thing up.

cool

cool

OCC: thanks.

I was thinking 14 155mm cannons, 50 30mm gatling guns, 125 50 cal machine guns.

A tank is:
An enclosed, heavily armored combat vehicle that is armed with cannon and machine guns and moves on continuous tracks.

I don't see any tracks.

A tank is:
An enclosed, heavily armored combat vehicle that is armed with cannon and machine guns and moves on continuous tracks.

I don't see any tracks.

OCC: it can be used as an expression to describe something.

EX: That house was built like a tank to survive that tornado.

I was thinking 14 155mm cannons, 50 30mm gatling guns, 125 50 cal machine guns.

That would certaintly do the trick. Pus add on an ECM package.

That would certaintly do the trick. Pus add on an ECM package.

but what the heck i already have blimps with a single 26 inch ECT cannon on it, so ad about 6 18m inch cannons just to top it off.

OCC: it can be used as an expression to describe something.

EX: That house was built like a tank to survive that tornado.


...But thats not what he meant.

...But thats not what he meant.

Yes but it was an example.

however i think he is calling it a tank just due to the 140 mm tank gun.

OOC: The Soviets beat you to it :P
IRL and just over 60 years ago :P

http://www.unrealaircraft.com/roadable/images/antonovkt.jpeg

In response to the ECT cannon on the blimp:
No no, ECM ECM spoofs Radar by making the target disapeer or move around quikcly.
See Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_countermeasures)

((Flying tank? (http://www.aviation.ru/An/kt-40-1.gif) The Soviets had that idea some time ago! Not quite the same thing, but I couldn't resist chipping-in, anyway :) ))

he beat you to posting this lol

No no, ECM ECM spoofs Radar by making the target disapeer or move around quikcly.
See Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_countermeasures)

I have blimps with that have a 26 inch ECT gun on them.

I would of course of a ECM package.

I have blimps with that have a 26 inch ECT gun on them.

I would of course of a ECM package.

Sorry, you aren't making a lot of sense. What exactly do you mean by ECT?

Yup I know, wanted to add a photo though :P

There were other WW2 planes developed to be 'Flying tanks' too (The B-17 'Flying Fortress')

Just one thing to remember... When a ground-based tank fires... theres a HUGE recoil... What happens to something flying... and gets a sudden force applied to it, pushing it backwards quickly? The engines carry-on.. the fuselage gets pushed backwards, resulting in the plane breaking apart in mid-air.

You might want to re-work your specs... Also, remember that a tank-cannon on the top of the plane is pretty much useless (Flying targets move far too fast) and you have torpedos/rockets/missiles for attacking targets under the plane

Sorry to piss on your fire :P but just dosent make sense

Sorry, you aren't making a lot of sense. What exactly do you mean by ECT?


electro-thermal chemical cannon.

electro-thermal chemical cannon.

It's ETC, not ECT. "Electro-Thermal Chemical", as you say, right?

Write it right.

It's ETC, not ECT. "Electro-Thermal Chemical", as you say, right?

Write it right.

so what i got the letters in thw rong spot.

1.4billion USD for your defence ministery, you could buy say 4 of them, i expect they'd thrash any enemies you would face as being small(as am i) all we're going to be facing are nations of under 50million pop, with nothing better than M60A3's or some such tank type :D
True enough..But why not wait for a few weeks, and buy a lot more than just four of them? A full squadron would be that much more effective, neh?

True enough..But why not wait for a few weeks, and buy a lot more than just four of them? A full squadron would be that much more effective, neh?

or just wait until i build and sell some of my close air support blimps that have 18 inch guns.

Sorry, you aren't making a lot of sense. What exactly do you mean by ECT?

It's a type of weapon fielded by most NS modern-tech powers that uses electricity instead of hammer or firing pin to produce plasma which then detonates the propellant of a shell or cartridge, which allows the weapon to fire at much higher muzzle velocities than a conventionally fired weapon. However, ETC weapons are usually a bit larger, more expensive, and heavier than normal weapons, and require a power source to fire. ETC weapons are too large to make as handheld infantry weapons, so their smallest incarnations are usually aircraft or tank cannons, and the largest weapons can be large naval cannons like those on battleships or super dreadnoughts.

I think you have. Constantly.

In any case, back on topic: There is no point for me to say anything about TPM's design, because:

1.) He ignores me, not sure what's up with that
2.) He doesn't listen. To anyone. Ever. Unless they buy his, shall we say, equipment.

(OCC: Phoenix, How did you get the pictures, they are fantastic. I want to find picture similar to yours. Did you create them?)

To: The Phoenix Dynamix's Customer service.
From: The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Rome

The Ministry of Defense is interested in purchasing 10 AT-1 Jellybean Airborne Tanks. We wish to see how this tank performs and hopefully try to begin building a tank similar to this. This clearly help the Fatherland's Airborne Divisions. We will wire the total price, $3.5 billion.

electro-thermal chemical cannon.

Oh, ETC. That makes much more sense.

OOC: The Soviets beat you to it :P
IRL and just over 60 years ago :P

http://www.unrealaircraft.com/roadable/images/antonovkt.jpeg
Thier tank never worked, that's a model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40

(OCC: Phoenix, How did you get the pictures, they are fantastic. I want to find picture similar to yours. Did you create them?)

To: The Phoenix Dynamix's Customer service.
From: The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Rome

The Ministry of Defense is interested in purchasing 10 AT-1 Jellybean Airborne Tanks. We wish to see how this tank performs and hopefully try to begin building a tank similar to this. This clearly help the Fatherland's Airborne Divisions. We will wire the total price, $3.5 billion.
OOC: Yes I make the pics myself, thanks.



IC: Your order is confirmed.

You might want to re-work your specs... Also, remember that a tank-cannon on the top of the plane is pretty much useless (Flying targets move far too fast) and you have torpedos/rockets/missiles for attacking targets under the plane

Sorry to piss on your fire :P but just dosent make sense
The tank cannon is on the BELLY of the aircraft and fires on GROUND targets.


A tank is:
An enclosed, heavily armored combat vehicle that is armed with cannon and machine guns and moves on continuous tracks.

I don't see any tracks.
And yet there are such things as wheeled tanks....

And I would now like to thank the international community for responding seriously to an obvious joke item.

And yet there are such things as wheeled tanks....

OOC: Name one.

And I would now like to thank the international community for responding seriously to an obvious joke item.


2nd that

And yet there are such things as wheeled tanks....

Such as...?

The Stryker :rolleyes:

And I would now like to thank the international community for responding seriously to an obvious joke item.

TPM, I going to tell you something. Something you need to take to heart. If you want to be taken as a serious weapon maker, you stop all of these joke items. This ‘flying tank’ and that super soaker gun you made as a joke in my thread.

The Stryker :rolleyes:

It's an armoured vehicle. I don't see them calling it a tank.

No, go away.

Tank on wheels.

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/johnny_click/may09/guard_unit_frtlnr_fuel_tanker.jpg
:headbang:

It's an armoured vehicle. I don't see them calling it a tank.

He is right, TPM.

Tank on wheels.

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/johnny_click/may09/guard_unit_frtlnr_fuel_tanker.jpg
:headbang:

What the hell. What a pointless post.

And I would now like to thank the international community for responding seriously to an obvious joke item.
Oh well..Not the weirdest idea I've ever seen, true, but was fun while it lasted.:D Next time, maybe?

General Shinseki verbally referred to the 105mm variant of the Stryker as a "tank on wheels".

Stop arguing semantics.

General Shinseki verbally referred to the 105mm variant of the Stryker as a "tank on wheels".

Stop arguing semantics.

But that does not mean it is a tank on wheels. It is just from the words of a General Shinseki. It is called the Stryker Light Armored Vehicle III.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/iav.htm

This is not a tank replacement, but it gives a direct fire capability to support the infantry elements. (From that site)

Stop posting already.

Stop posting already.

While it's still a joke, know that I'm not taking it as a joke, therefore I am intent on making you confirm the fact that it's not a tank. So confirm, and I will stop.

While it's still a joke, know that I'm not taking it as a joke, therefore I am intent on making you confirm the fact that it's not a tank. So confirm, and I will stop.

You'll be typeing a long time then-

TO TPM- alas I thought for once you were finally taking the time to actually create a orginal and unique product. But, then my hopes where dashed. Funny joke, NOT!

Atleast you gave me a good reply to any of your future products. So some good came of it.

I like the offically name the US Army gave it- MGS. Mobile Gun System. Could be said to be a "Howitzer on wheels"

My original ideas are not well recieved by alot of people who frequent these forums. Although by sheer force of habit, I made my design slightly plausabile, it was intended as a joke, and I simply chopped up a 3D tank model of mine and slapped it on a fuselage and put wings. Hence "airborne tank"

See Also My:
Jet powered Bi-Plane
Pentamaran Ship
Boat-Tanks
Rocket-Firing Rifle
Close-Air-Support Airship
Unmanned Tanks
Unmanned mobile naval CIWS platform
Unmanned naval cruise missile platform
Unmanned anti-aircraft baloon
Ballistic combat facemask system


A number of which I introduced over a year before you even started playing Nationstates.

Your reputation to a good portion of this forum is already in the toilet. Don't make it worse with these jokes, okay?

spam^

General Shinseki verbally referred to the 105mm variant of the Stryker as a "tank on wheels".

Stop arguing semantics.

Shinseki was a moron. The Stryker MGS is an assault gun, call it a tank around anyone who knows anything armored vehicles and they'll laugh in your face.

Shinseki was a moron. The Stryker MGS is an assault gun, call it a tank around anyone who knows anything armored vehicles and they'll laugh in your face.
hey that's great go make a topic about it in the general forum