NationStates Jolt Archive

As we have just entered this business, we only have a small selection to choose from.

All Purpose missiles

TATM-06: The first in a hopefully long line of missiles able to be launched ground-to-air, air-to-air, ground-to-ground, and air-to air. TATM is an acronym for Tritium-Assisted Thorium Missile.Tritium is already used in many nuclear weapons to boost the explosive power. Explosive radius: approx. 8m. $1,500

Smart Missiles

SG-TM 06: An experimental satellite guided (SG) Thorium missile. powerful, but still a bit unreliable. not recommended for exstensive use as of yet. ER: approx 100 m. $3,000

Bombs

TDM 06 :Thorium Dumb-bomb. drop on target, not useful in areas populated with civilians. ER: approx. 250 m. 5,000

Experiments Not yet Ready for purchase:

Horizontal- trajectory NML (nuclear missile launcher)

Cruise missiles

Uh, you can't sell nukes until you're about 1 month (rela itme) old. Yea, nations below that simply cannot make or afford nukes.

you can only have your own nukes if your nation is exist for 2 months.

I agree . A 5m nation can NO-WAY have nukes . Maybe when you're around at least 100m before you should start thinking about Nukes .

There is no rule or abitrary number of days a nation has to exist before they can or cannot have a certain technology. Can a 5m nation have two-thousand warships all in excess of a few kilometers in length? No. Can they have a big shipyards to build big ships? Yes.

If he wants to sell his nukes he can; but at the same time if people do not want to buy them because they care more about numbers than RPing then they can to.

Thank you, Navick.

OOC: I never understood all this about how there's somehow population limits for nukes in practical terms. Sure, it's a bit cheap for small nations to have nukes, but it's not like they can't possibly use them. Take Israel: 6 million people and they've got nukes. Having said that, welcome to NS, but you'd be better advised to start off with tanks or guns before selling nukes.

The reason I'm not building tanks or guns is because we don't have enough money for good armor metals. Just cheap ones, such as aluminium.

OOC: Well, its quite possible to have nukes under 100million pop, but as a general rule if you've just formed a nation and it is literally 2 years old(saying that 1RL day=1NS day) can have nuclear weapons without any aids is pretty much impossible and crazy.

Unless another nation helps with the development of these weapons then it basically isn't possible for quite a while. At the very least they would be making extremly crude weapons.

And making a nuclear device is a LOT more complicated than is being made out. Also Thorium has NOT been made into a nuclear weapon. it has to be turned into Uranium-233 and even then it has not, to my knowledge, been used in a nuclear reactor of any type.

BTW- please use the edit button instead of posting 3 posts with just a couple of lines in each.

I specifically discussed this with my grandfather, a physicist. Thorium reactors HAVE been made, using thorium, not uranium, but as yet are only good for reactors to power interstellar craft, which have a long time in which they need continual power. Also, sure, thorium weapons don't exist yet, but neither do hyperspace drives or sonic guns. Now even people who haven't posted half as much as me are against me! AAARRRGGHHHH!

I specifically discussed this with my grandfather, a physicist. Thorium reactors HAVE been made, using thorium, not uranium, but as yet are only good for reactors to power interstellar craft, which have a long time in which they need continual power. Also, sure, thorium weapons don't exist yet, but neither do hyperspace drives or sonic guns. Now even people who haven't posted half as much as me are against me! AAARRRGGHHHH!

Well, you should probably take into account that there are several seperate eras.

PT is anything before now, from yesterday to the dawn of time (I hope)
MT is what's possible now.
PMT is next fifty years or so.
FT is FTL Travel

As such, which period are you in?

I specifically discussed this with my grandfather, a physicist. Thorium reactors HAVE been made, using thorium, not uranium, but as yet are only good for reactors to power interstellar craft, which have a long time in which they need continual power. Also, sure, thorium weapons don't exist yet, but neither do hyperspace drives or sonic guns. Now even people who haven't posted half as much as me are against me! AAARRRGGHHHH!

And you think post numbers count for anything? If i tallied up my posts with other nations previously i would be hitting about 1k probably, maybe even more.

If you think thorium can be used to produce nuclear weapons(which it might be able to) then go ahead, but its not MT and its therefore going to have to be PMT.

I'd say early PMT. Within 25 years from now. By the way, who ever said I was MT? Hmm? Not me, That's for sure!

OOC: Okay. The other thing you should take into account is that you can't really present your grandfather as a reliable source. Now, before you kill me to avenge your family honor, I'm not saying your granpa's a liar, or that he isn't a physicist. But you do have to remember that we only have your say-so either way.

Wikipedia, on the other hand, is usually considered good enough for NS reference. So find a Wikipedia article on it, and you're good.

OOC: The fact that you were looking to buy MT weapons in the mafia storefront....it kinda seems to say that.

Also im pretty sure that if you can build nuclear weapons you can extract minerals and produce composites for use in tanks etc. I would at least enter the small arms trade, nearly any nation can produce such weapons :)

Alright, I'll be right back. http://www.sns.gov/jins/nmi3/nmi3_participants.shtml (my stepgrandfather, Irek Natkaniec)

Wikipedia article on thorium fuel cycle (I was wrong, it does turn into U-233, but is still different from a normal Uranium reactor) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel_cycle#The_Thorium_fuel_cycle

Can eveyone calm down now?

From Wikipedia at
THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel_cycle#The_Thorium_fuel_cycle) page


Current industrial activity

Currently the only isotopes used as nuclear fuel are Uranium U235, Uranium U238 and Plutonium Pu239, although the proposed thorium fuel cycle has advantages. Some modern reactors, with minor modifications, can use thorium, which is more plentiful than uranium.

That done, does anyone wish to purchase some slightly-PMT thorium-powered nuclear weapons?

btw just to point out if you can produce nuclear weapons and off had the money to research the technology and development then you could of started selling tanks and weapons easily.

EDIT: you only have just under 900 million in your defense budget if your going to build nuclear weapons and research and develop them you'd need atleast a couple of billion

OOC: I never understood all this about how there's somehow population limits for nukes in practical terms. Sure, it's a bit cheap for small nations to have nukes, but it's not like they can't possibly use them. Take Israel: 6 million people and they've got nukes. Having said that, welcome to NS, but you'd be better advised to start off with tanks or guns before selling nukes.

OCC: but what nation gave them the tech to make them? America.

Its a matter of the price. The manhattan project took over 130,000 people and over 2 billion to finish but now it would take 20 billion.

As it seems necesary, I am closing this. Also, where can I view my Defence ( and other) budgets? If I had known there was such a thing built into the game, i would have been more reasonable.

I will, however, continue to sell thorium, as this only requires enough technology to mine minerals and separate the thorium, both of which are simple matters.

Well, its not built into the game, but a good one can be found at http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=vast%20Principles

Ok, so i having got that old nation resurected, but it'l be there soon enough i hope...:D. Its a good calc, just put your nation name and hit enter.

No time to right now though I will be making a purchase within the hour.

Thank you both. This is a very interesting calculator... I never would have figured a Herrio to be worth more than a dollar (I was right, they're worth less than a dollar. oops. Wow.... we spend ALOT on Law and order. But what good does that do me? I don't know anything about that kind of stuff...

NVM, I've seen you closed it. I don't find that a good thing to do for I was producing and selling nukes before 15 million and wasn't told I couldn't do it.


Edit: Also, if you would like to maybe start an RP, I will kindly help you develop the weapons if my terms are met.

-We sign a Nuclear Treaty
-Both agree to an alliance
-Each of us help fund the project

If you would like this to happen send me a TG and we'll get things arranged.

I only closed it because I was being attacked. However, I am still selling small arms, thorium, and nuclear power facilities.

Ah ic, well my offer from my last post is still on the table.

I only closed it because I was being attacked. However, I am still selling small arms, thorium, and nuclear power facilities.

OOC: well nuclear power plants also cost a lot of money, although possibly not as much, nukes are made easily once you have everything set-up IMO.

I'd say sell Uranium if you must, but nuclear power you should find someone to work with, say Hamanistan, the work could be carried out in your nation, save Hamanistan the dangers and people disliking his nukes, gets you power, nukes etc all legally....and RPing experiance.

Just to be annoyingly harisplitting, I'm selling Thorium, not Uranium.