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Today, the Decapolian Government is holding a vote on the issue of whether to allow Gay Marriage or not. Decapolian leader, Alexander Theranius (may change) has proposed the bill. He is leader of the Freedom Party which supports things like Gay Marriage. Conservatives and others have declared their opposition to the bill.

Traditionalist Party member, Mercurius Arveni has voiced his opposition in a speech outside the Legislative Parliament. The Freedom Party has already allowed for certain drugs like Marijuana to be allowed and other things.

People will be voting in some time but what will the international community think on this issue?

The Traditionalists and others have somewhat declared opposition to this bill. GLBT groups, etc in Decapolia have appluaded the bill and do plan to show their support.

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Foreign nations can voice their support or condemnation here. I am a newbie and I do not want to incite tensions or anything due to this issue.

Decapolian Bill For Gay Marriage
June 24, 2006

Excerpts:

1. GLBT people will be allowed to marry and have the same rights as non-GLBT but religious groups have the right to reject officiating services for marriages of GLBT people.

2. GLBT people will have the right to adopt children but they are subject to the same laws for things like the protection of children (not to imply they would beat the kids).

3. GLBT people will be given respect and treated fairly and equally by non-GLBT people in Decapolia. Intolerance is a stumbling block and must be avoided.

4. GLBT people will be allowed to have benefits in cases like if a GLBT man or woman is killed as a police officer on duty, their partner would recieve benefits.

5. GLBT people's adopted children will be respected, they will not be insulted or mocked because they have two fathers or mothers.

6. GLBT people will respect a religious group's decision if they do not want to officate a GLBT wedding.

7. GLBT people will be allowed to have GLBT pride parades and non-GLBT people must not assualt any people in that parade.

8. GLBT people will be allowed to have jobs and to do things as non-GLBT people do. They recieve all the rights non-GLBT people have.

End of Excerpts.

interesting but i dont think this belongs here try under Nationstates the forms their this is a political debate.

Decapolian Bill For Gay Marriage
June 24, 2006

Excerpts:

1. GLBT people will be allowed to marry and have the same rights as non-GLBT but religious groups have the right to reject officiating services for marriages of GLBT people.

2. GLBT people will have the right to adopt children but they are subject to the same laws for things like the protection of children (not to imply they would beat the kids).

3. GLBT people will be given respect and treated fairly and equally by non-GLBT people in Decapolia. Intolerance is a stumbling block and must be avoided.

4. GLBT people will be allowed to have benefits in cases like if a GLBT man or woman is killed as a police officer on duty, their partner would recieve benefits.

5. GLBT people's adopted children will be respected, they will not be insulted or mocked because they have two fathers or mothers.

6. GLBT people will respect a religious group's decision if they do not want to officate a GLBT wedding.

7. GLBT people will be allowed to have GLBT pride parades and non-GLBT people must not assualt any people in that parade.

8. GLBT people will be allowed to have jobs and to do things as non-GLBT people do. They recieve all the rights non-GLBT people have.

End of Excerpts.

The Gay Marriage bill has extentions to things like adopting children, etc.

interesting but i dont think this belongs here try under Nationstates the forms their this is a political debate.


Thank you for the compliment. I am a newbie here, so I do not know if it would be ok here or not. I can redo it on NationStates (the NationStates category on the forums?) but is there a way to move it there rather than redo the thread?

This was to be an intro to my nation, I suppose. It is open to other nations, they can voice their support or condemnation by posting here.

(OOC I'm playing along anyway OOC)

Warlord Shawhabas was sipping his coffee when he saw the development on his E-News PDA. He sat back in his chair and ordered a telephone conference with Alexander Theranius. As he was scrambling around, his aides watched in amusement as he began to mobolize a reaction.

"Damnit! Why do all these countries have to allow perverts into society! Get me on the line with Alexander Theranius and get the team together!"

"Yessir Right away!" replied one of his aides.

President Warlord Shawhabas picked up his newe really hi-tech cell phone and called Mr. Theranius.

"Sir...I would like to express the upmost discust in your allowing this bill to follow through! For one this would rapidly increase the pandemic of AIDS and other STDs and for number two, it's plain wrong!"......

Decapolian Bill For Gay Marriage
June 24, 2006

Excerpts:

1. GLBT people will be allowed to marry and have the same rights as non-GLBT but religious groups have the right to reject officiating services for marriages of GLBT people.

2. GLBT people will have the right to adopt children but they are subject to the same laws for things like the protection of children (not to imply they would beat the kids).

3. GLBT people will be given respect and treated fairly and equally by non-GLBT people in Decapolia. Intolerance is a stumbling block and must be avoided.

4. GLBT people will be allowed to have benefits in cases like if a GLBT man or woman is killed as a police officer on duty, their partner would recieve benefits.

5. GLBT people's adopted children will be respected, they will not be insulted or mocked because they have two fathers or mothers.

6. GLBT people will respect a religious group's decision if they do not want to officate a GLBT wedding.

7. GLBT people will be allowed to have GLBT pride parades and non-GLBT people must not assualt any people in that parade.

8. GLBT people will be allowed to have jobs and to do things as non-GLBT people do. They recieve all the rights non-GLBT people have.

End of Excerpts.
To the Government of Decapolia:

The issue of gay marriage is a very controversial issue in both your nation and in mine. Since you are looking for the opinions from the international community, I will contribute my share about the eight points excerpted above. While I am alright with all eight points (point seven with reservation), I must also add that I would suggest using a word other than "marriage" to describe this legal proceeding between a couple of the same sex. In doing so, one must also be careful that this word is not looked down upon by the rest of society, but must realize that it merely means a marriage between two people of the same sex.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

(OOC I'm playing along anyway OOC)

Warlord Shawhabas was sipping his coffee when he saw the development on his E-News PDA. He sat back in his chair and ordered a telephone conference with Alexander Theranius. As he was scrambling around, his aides watched in amusement as he began to mobolize a reaction.

"Damnit! Why do all these countries have to allow perverts into society! Get me on the line with Alexander Theranius and get the team together!"

"Yessir Right away!" replied one of his aides.

President Warlord Shawhabas picked up his newe really hi-tech cell phone and called Mr. Theranius.

"Sir...I would like to express the upmost discust in your allowing this bill to follow through! For one this would rapidly increase the pandemic of AIDS and other STDs and for number two, it's plain wrong!"......

I guess these two politicians can have a chat......

''Sir, I would like to reply to you in politeness. How would it do so, increase the pandemic of AIDS and the such? What about unprotected sex? What about rapists who rape girls and women and others? Also, how is it wrong to you? How is gay marriage wrong to you?''

Sorry if the reply is not long enough.

To the Government of Decapolia:

The issue of gay marriage is a very controversial issue in both your nation and in mine. Since you are looking for the opinions from the international community, I will contribute my share about the eight points excerpted above. While I am alright with all eight points (point seven with reservation), I must also add that I would suggest using a word other than "marriage" to describe this legal proceeding between a couple of the same sex. In doing so, one must also be careful that this word is not looked down upon by the rest of society, but must realize that it merely means a marriage between two people of the same sex.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

To: The Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus

We would perhaps name it a civil union or something, or keep it as marriage. We understand that it is an issue that is controversial in our land and in others. We will make sure everything goes ok, concerning this issue. Those excerpts were not the beginning of the bill, they were from parts of it, numbered respectively.

Signed,
the Government of Decapolia

Sorry if this reply is not long enough.

"I will tell you how it accelerates STDs, you're providing another massive port for STDs to travel. The world already has enough problems keeping the pandemic contained with heterosexual intercourse! There is no "safe sex", you can only try to control it through condoms and the such, but the only true way is abstainence and no homosexual relationships! You may not be a religeous person, but think about what Jesus would say to this! There is no religeon in the world that says gay marriage is ok. PS the body is not meant for that kind of function in the first place, if you know what I mean! It's just wrong."

Warlord Shawhabas motioned for his aides to leave him....

To the Government of Decapolia:

The issue of gay marriage is a very controversial issue in both your nation and in mine. Since you are looking for the opinions from the international community, I will contribute my share about the eight points excerpted above. While I am alright with all eight points (point seven with reservation), I must also add that I would suggest using a word other than "marriage" to describe this legal proceeding between a couple of the same sex. In doing so, one must also be careful that this word is not looked down upon by the rest of society, but must realize that it merely means a marriage between two people of the same sex.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam


Why? In Strathcarlie it's called "Marriage"... If religious groups have their other definitions of "Marriage" so be it, but this is a state issue.
Religious groups are not above the law in Strathcarlie, they have to pay taxes like anybody else. At this moment we're studying Polyamourous marriage in Strathcarlie, because we feel that everybody should have these rights. Children (under the age of 14) and animals will never be subject of discussion. But other human(s)? That's none of the state's business.

Sincerely,

Morag McAnderson
Minister of Domestic Affairs
Commonwealth of Strathcarlie

Why? In Strathcarlie it's called "Marriage"... If religious groups have their other definitions of "Marriage" so be it, but this is a state issue.
Religious groups are not above the law in Strathcarlie, they have to pay taxes like anybody else. At this moment we're studying Polyamourous marriage in Strathcarlie, because we feel that everybody should have these rights. Children (under the age of 14) and animals will never be subject of discussion. But other human(s)? That's none of the state's business.

Sincerely,

Morag McAnderson
Minister of Domestic Affairs
Commonwealth of Strathcarlie
To Minister McAnderson:

We understand that different nations have different ways of running their governments. The Holy Empire of Edvardus recognizes Roman Catholicism as its official religion and thus the President and Parliament pass domestic laws based on the teachings of the Church.

The government of Decapolia sought the opinions of the international community, not in an attempt to cause tension, but to hear how other nations are handling this issue. As a result, I issued a statement to their government describing how Edvardus has dealt with this issue along with a suggestion. The government of Decapolia is free to take or leave my opinion.

Like the government of Decapolia, Edvardus does not wish to cause tension in the international community due to this or any other issue.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

TO: Alexander Theranius
FROM: Empress Siv Norris
SUBJECT: Gay Marriage
MESSAGE:

Dear Mr. Theranius,

I am the Empress of the Secular Empire of Maraque, and I would like to voice my full support for this bill you've proposed.

I believe the right to marry is a right that should be given to each and every human being presently on this Earth from the day they are born to the day that they die.

Currently in the Empire, marriage of same-sex couples has been allowed for just 20 years shy of six centuries. Our nation takes pride in this, and we hope that this bill passes within your nation.

In the Empire, the term "marriage" has been eliminated all together in government. Instead, every person is granted a civil union, and "marriages" are performed in the church, as marriage is a religious institution. Currently, less than 1% of our population identifies as being faithful to a higher being, so the issue wasn't as controversial here.

Sincerely,
Empress Siv Norris

Well heres what i think on the issue.

1 marrige is defined as between a man and a woman

2 that dose not mean however that gay people shouldnt have the rights to have a civle union with all the same rights as marrage.

3 Nations should not preform marrages they should only preform civle unions between both hetrosexual and homosexual couples.

4 if you want to get marryed you should get a civle union and then get a prist to marry you sepiration of church and state.

Everyone wins gays get their rights and marrage remains sacrade.

TO: Alexander Theranius
FROM: Empress Siv Norris
SUBJECT: Gay Marriage
MESSAGE:

Dear Mr. Theranius,

I am the Empress of the Secular Empire of Maraque, and I would like to voice my full support for this bill you've proposed.

I believe the right to marry is a right that should be given to each and every human being presently on this Earth from the day they are born to the day that they die.

Currently in the Empire, marriage of same-sex couples has been allowed for just 20 years shy of six centuries. Our nation takes pride in this, and we hope that this bill passes within your nation.

In the Empire, the term "marriage" has been eliminated all together in government. Instead, every person is granted a civil union, and "marriages" are performed in the church, as marriage is a religious institution. Currently, less than 1% of our population identifies as being faithful to a higher being, so the issue wasn't as controversial here.

Sincerely,
Empress Siv Norris
To Your Imperial Majesty:

I would first like to apologize for intercepting your message en route to Mr. Theranius. However, I would like to notify you that Edvardus is intrigued at the system you have instilled in your empire. With your approval, I would like to present the transcript of your message to Mr. Theranius to the Edvardian Parliament to ask that discussion be initiated to implement a similar system in our empire.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

To Your Imperial Majesty:

I would first like to apologize for intercepting your message en route to Mr. Theranius. However, I would like to notify you that Edvardus is intrigued at the system you have instilled in your empire. With your approval, I would like to present the transcript of your message to Mr. Theranius to the Edvardian Parliament to ask that discussion be initiated to implement a similar system in our empire.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister of the Holy Empire of Edvardus
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

Dear Prime Minister,

It's quite all right. You may do as you wish with the transcript.

Sincerely,
Empress Siv Norris, Secular Empire of Maraque

TO: Alexander Theranius
FROM: President PJ Dylanshki

To the Honored Mr. Theranius
The People’s Republic congratulates your nation on the proposal to extend more rights to the GLBT population. For too long the GLBT population have lived as second class citizens in all places, and faced shame and violence at the hands of oppressors.
Should your country face outside agitation, we shall support you in any way that you wish.

(Signed)President PJ Dylanshki
President of The People’s Republic of Marquish

Same-sex marriage is illegal in Hydac, however we have no interest in the internal affairs of other nations and have no official stance on this bill.

Mahmoud Yassim
Foreign Minister
Commonwealth of Hydac

OFFICAL HETPA GOVERNMENT TRANSMIT

To Whom It May Concern,

The Lord Priest N'ala R'hab and the Warlord Markus Cryst have united in their disgust and anger over such a bill. Such vermin have no place in society and should be crushed. If this bill is passed, military action may take place to cleanse the world of such gross crimes against mankind.

END

(OOC: I really don't feel this way, I'm just out RP'ing so please don't be offended.)

The homosexual community deserves the right to get married so they can be miserable like everyone else that is married.

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Son Plus Souverain Petit Indien Majesté
Ithilanor
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Por la Grace de Dieu, Roi du Aladhron, Grande Duc du Vis, Magnifique Prince du Ihayel, Haut Prêtre de la Basilique du San Pierre et San Paul, Defenseur de la Foi
Plus Remarquable Senior Grande de L'Ordre du San Pierre et San Paul; Souverain de L'Ordre du Merit; Commandre-Roi de L'Ordre du Le Royaume de Aladhron; Plus Senior Grande de L'Ordre de la Cuculle Blanc; Souverain de L'Ordre de L'Innocent; Commandre, Roi et Senior Grande de L'Ordre du Ithilanor
Haut Roi du Petit Indiens et Saint Empereur du Huit Petit Indes

Date: 24th Lithe, of the year 40,049

To: the Government of Decapolia

It is with enormous pride that I inform youreselves of the success that has been seen in Little India since gay marriage was legalised in 32,588.
Although homosexuality has never been illegal in Little India, it was a massive turning point in our constitutional law and legal system to afford exactly the same rights to homosexual couples and individuals as for heterosexuals. As soon as the bill was passed, homosexuals became far more integrated into society, and over time, started to feel less like outsiders.
It also created near total acceptance for homosexuality, which is no longer something that is looked down upon in Little India.

I would urge your government to enact this bill as soon as possible.

Ithilanor ER II

(06.27.2006.02.40)

To: Decapolian International Affairs Representative

From: Dietica Ministry of International Affairs

Vis: Decapolian Bill For Gay Marriage (June 24, 2006)

The Dietica wishes to inform you that while we are assured you carry only the most honorable intentions in presenting this bill to the international community, we cannot condone said legislation as it has been found to violate the following two articles of our Declaration of Law:

Section 2.2: Government shall make no laws, proclamations or public acts limiting in any way the freedom of any and all speech or other forms of self- and group- expression. (Freedom of Expression)

Section 2.3: Government shall make no laws, proclamations or public acts mandating public or personal morals/ethics beyond those deemed by the people to be absolutely necessary for the protection of property and person. (Freedom of Moral Self-Determination)

Notably, after a reading of your bill we have found it lacking for our needs in points three and five:


3. GLBT people will be given respect and treated fairly and equally by non-GLBT people in Decapolia. Intolerance is a stumbling block and must be avoided.

5. GLBT people's adopted children will be respected, they will not be insulted or mocked because they have two fathers or mothers.

Because of these two points' breach of the people's rights to freedom of expression and freedom of moral self-determination (as outlined in the Declaration of Law), we must politely refuse our approval of this act.

Note: this is not a declaration of hostility.

(Message ends)