NationStates Jolt Archive

Because all great threads need one at some point.

First order of business, everyone please delete your purely OOC posts from the IC thread, thank you.

Alcona and Hubris, TG.

Alright,
First Amestria...I know your second post had the best of intentions, but it is not you place to ask that.

Second, it would appear that I have invited two players to this offshoot meeting one who is ignoring the other. So I we have three choices it appears to me...

i)One of you declines the invitation and Baroness Winton visits with them after the meeting...

ii)You both attend the meeting but you both pretend the other is a ghost you can not see nor hear.

iii)We deal with this Ignore because my read on the situation is that it stems from a misunderstanding of Amestria's T.G.'s on a war thread.

Having outlived everyone on my Ignore list except Melkor Unchained* perhaps I should comment on what I see:

Having recently experienced Amestria's Helpful Household Tips T.Gs and one critial T.G, I think I understand what is going on here. (Note I am not being critical of those T.G.s, they were helpful) Those T.G.s with a bit of poor phrasing choice, (or the me of fifteen years ago reading them) would likely have read as far more pushy and controlling than they really were intended to be.

So who is to blame?....neither of you....both of you. Sarzonia, Amestria comes off to me as one of those individuals who try to keep threads ordered and well working (note above post), sometimes that comes off as giving 'orders' when their not really ment to.

Amestria when your posts and T.G.'s come off as orders, likely unintentionally, they can cause individuals such as myself (and likely Sarzonia) to get riled and fighting mad.

Now then am I completely off base here?

Because if I am not, you should both apologize for the mistakes you've made towards each other (like all disasters there are usually multiple faults) and get on to behaving towards each other like rational, good Rpers that you are illustrating you both are.

*you can not OOCly ignore a mod, never had a problem with Melkor as a mod, only in his tactical ignore usage in this thread so I ICly ignored him for it.

Alright,
First Amestria...I know your second post had the best of intentions, but it is not you place to ask that.

Second, it would appear that I have invited two players to this offshoot meeting, one who is ignoring the other. So I we have three choices it appears to me...

[QUOTE=Alcona and Hubris]i)One of you declines the invitation and Baroness Winton visits with them after the meeting...

I posted the arrival of my ambassador before your post so its too late for my character to decline (and as she is the Ambassador, she has nothing better to do, and her government has assigned her the task of coordinating the international response to the New Albion crisis, it would not make sense for her to decline.

ii)You both attend the meeting but you both pretend the other is a ghost you can not see nor hear.

I find that prospect fairly unappealing and problematic for a number of reasons (one being that it continuously spoils the mood).

iii)We deal with this Ignore because my read on the situation is that it stems from a misunderstanding of Amestria's T.G.'s on a war thread.

Best option.

Those T.G.s with a bit of poor phrasing choice, (or the me of fifteen years ago reading them) would likely have read as far more pushy and controlling than they really were intended to be.

Amestria comes off to me as one of those individuals who tries to keep threads ordered and well working (note above post), sometimes that comes off as giving 'orders' when their not really meant to.

Now then am I completely off base here?

No, the above has me to a tea.

Because if I am not, you should both apologize for the mistakes you've made towards each other (like all disasters there are usually multiple faults) and get on to behaving towards each other like rational, good Rpers that you are illustrating you both are.

I'm game for that.

Just post some minor notes , mainly FYI

Number one, please don’t assume anything about the KLM, its completely and totally different from the rl Middle East. Like for ex. the KLM is more stability like by 100 fold compare to the rl middle east and there is no guest worker program for the most part in the KLM ,like in the rl Middle East. Just ask me if you had any questions, via TG or IM on this matter.

Number two, the KLM is a first world nation with limited Free Market system in place, but do the vastness of the Imperium…a couple of backwater regions like New Albion don’t get their “fair share” of the wealth, and the fact the Northerners tend to be more nationalist and don’t the KLM doesn’t help too…so yeah, New Albion got the bad luck of being a backwater…what does one expect do the sheer size of the KLM, a couple of regions become backwaters…it is common place in large states.

Number three, in most cases my characters are talking to each other in Arabic, they only speak British English, when talking to other nations envoy or leaders, although it is common to hear them speak in Persian, Turkish or Urdu once in a while, depending on the region or another of 20 some languages spoken in the KLM, yet the officially language of the government is Arabic only.

Number four, the KLM Intel Agencies are very powerful and have their own power base, yet they are still under the iron fist control of the Sultan and the Imperial Senate, but as long they don’t mess up or do something dumb, they are left to their own , and allow to make their own policies, as long it doesn’t lead to KLM going to war with someone.

Number Five, The KLM isn’t 100 percent Muslim, its more like 60 percent Muslim and 40 percent other, just its nor 100 percent Middle Eastern..Middle Easterners make about..I say 20 to 25 percent…ask don’t ask me for a exact number on the matter…

That’s about it…just need to get that off my chest

*Shrugs*

Considering how things are around here...First World doesn't really mean much. But I do get the drift. There are alot of 'backwaters' in first world countries. And I've been to quite a few...

*Shrugs*

Considering how things are around here...First World doesn't really mean much. But I do get the drift. There are alot of 'backwaters' in first world countries. And I've been to quite a few...
True, just pointing out my nation isn't dirt poor or something like that.

The phrase is 'dirt poor' (Because they are so poor they have dirt as a floor)

Note in spin-off thread

I modled Northull and Northull of the Kennebunks in Maine with a bit of Buloxi (pre-katrina) and Columbus thrown in...

Northull Airport -- Falls right behind Harrisville MI Airport which has the delux features of a mowed runway and a converted one car garage for aircraft storage.

:eek: So best read my posts...I try to leave you clues about things...

Not another ooc post by those annoying Alconians!

Yup...

The United Duchies typically uses English styles of address, so Ambassadors will be called 'Your Excellency'....

Even if said nation perfers the address of your Honor.
(We won't complain about our Ambassador being refered to as your Honor)

The United Duchies typically uses English styles of address, so Ambassadors will be called 'Your Excellency'....

Even if said nation perfers the address of your Honor.
(We won't complain about our Ambassador being refered to as your Honor)

Its not simply a manner of address, the use of your Honor or the Honorable is an Amestrian noble privilege (as is the use of ones estate, having a coat of arms, hunting on rural public land, the use of a signet ring, and the owning of a sword).

Sarzonia, Amestria comes off to me as one of those individuals who try to keep threads ordered and well working (note above post), sometimes that comes off as giving 'orders' when their not really ment to.

Amestria when your posts and T.G.'s come off as orders, likely unintentionally, they can cause individuals such as myself (and likely Sarzonia) to get riled and fighting mad.

Now then am I completely off base here?
You're not. In fact, you described me to a tee. As I told Amestria in the very first TG I sent her, I do not appreciate anything with even the perception of telling me how to RP.

However, this is the problem that happens when one player ignores the other and they end up in the same RP: There's usually a point where the players end up clashing with each other. That's why I was more than a bit disappointed with Pacitalia's handling of his RP in which he's been trying to have both of us participating in the RP despite my ignore of Amestria.

As I told Amestria in the very first TG I sent her, I do not appreciate anything with even the perception of telling me how to RP.

Well, it won't happen again.

However, this is the problem that happens when one player ignores the other and they end up in the same RP: There's usually a point where the players end up clashing with each other. That's why I was more than a bit disappointed with Pacitalia's handling of his RP in which he's been trying to have both of us participating in the RP despite my ignore of Amestria.

There is also, more significantly, the Forged in Cold Fire thread, which is an open RP and which we are both deeply involved in.

I would like to point out that you are the only player ignoring me in the NS community (for something very insignificant btw) and many, such as Pacitalia and Kahanistan, enjoy RPing with me and enjoy my writing/characters.

Sarzonia,
A suggestion from someone else who used to get his back up when 'ordered' about (and still does)
Pick your grudges carefully...

Now Amestria stepped over the line with you.

However that was by neigligence not intent. And considering the number of A**holes around NS at any given moment...your likely to have someone who will attempt to order you about, intentionally.

Now personally I do not see a basis for an ignore anymore.

Amestria has admitted their mistake, and has agreed not to do it again.

Ignoring was conceived to deal with disagreements between players that could obviously not be solved.

However, the converse of that is when a player violates the rules accidently or unintentionally, in general such acts are forgiven. Why? Because we all make mistakes.

Now you can take option i) if you desire in my spin-off, or you can take option iii). The choice is yours....

I hope you take option iii) for as much your benifit as much as the Rp's. Personally I think you should chose your grudges carefully and against those players and individuals who are far more pushy and controlling than a the busy little beaver of Amestria.

Its not simply a manner of address, the use of your Honor or the Honorable is an Amestrian noble privilege (as is the use of ones estate, having a coat of arms, hunting on rural public land, the use of a signet ring, and the owning of a sword).

And all she gets is a 'Lady' from the Alconians...(except that the Baroness will likely acquess just to be 'nice')

The same logic can be applied to with Parthia and Roach-Busters, Alcona and Hubris and Amestria. Parthia IMO, is a good role-player and is capable of describing a sophisticated ultra-right-wing yet tactful dictator like Khosru, as Amestria can do a good job with describing characters. RB also seems to do somewhat good.

But given the fact that Sarzonia is Lord Unforgiver of the Century, I seriously doubt that you can crack away at his shell....

Huh? I've never had a problem with Amestria...likely because I realized where they were comming from initally. But if I hadn't well it would take me some time to cool down but I'd come to my senses.

God, has RB gotten decent?

Anyway it is Sarzonia's choice, I won't call them the Unforgiver of the Century if they decide to take option i).

I just want them to make a choice...

And all she gets is a 'Lady' from the Alconians...(except that the Baroness will likely acquess just to be 'nice')

BTW: There seems to be some differences between the Amestrian and Alconian noble hierarchies, seeing as Ellen refers to Marie as "a mere Marquess."

The Titles of the Amestrian Nobility, from highest to lowest.

King/Sovereign (defunct, all Sovereign Power has been assumed by the State as a whole)
Prince (defunct, no more Kings)
Duke
Marquis (the title held by Marie François)
Comte
Vicomte
Baron
Chevalier (Knight, defunct)
Châtelain (defunct, the lowest of the titles, a noble merely possessing/managing a castle)

The Amestrian Nobility is also divided into the following classes. It should be noted that titles of nobility can now only be granted by Amestria's Parliament.

Noblesse d'épée (nobility of the sword) or noblesse de race or noblesse ancienne - The traditional or old nobility.

Noblesse de chancellerie (chancellor nobility) - person made noble by holding certain high offices for the king.

Noblesse de lettres - person made noble by "lettres patentes" from the king.

Noblesse de robe (nobility of the gown) - person or family made noble by holding certain official charges, like maître des requêtes, treasurer, or president of a provincial council.

Noblesse de cloche (nobility of the "bell") or Noblesse échevinale - person or family made noble by being a mayor or "échevin" or "prévôt des marchands" (municipal leader) in certain important towns and cities.

Noblesse militärisch (military noblity) - person or family made noble by holding military offices, generally after two or three generations.

Well you see Alconianian 'noblity' is broken into five parts

Duke/Grand Duke-The Monarch

Peers-Individuals who can sit in the College of Peers.

Landgrave/Stradtgrave - In some ways has retained more local 'authority' than other titles
Earl
Thane
Vicount
Baron

Non-Peerage Titles:
Baronets: -Hereditary Knighthoods All the taxation but none of the power
Courtsey Titles-The Heirs of the Peers usually the rank below their families primary rank.

The Adel -Hereditary Titles that are not Peers, they retain their titles from 'incorporated' states in general the Adel are not really liked by the Alconian (note Alconian here refers to natives of the Alconian isles versus the entire population of the United Duchies)

A good number get elected to parliament somehow...

Lord
Count
Comte
Marquis (note non-existant title now being the only one in Cawahaba died out)
Laithe
Prince (Use this and your likely going to have the Marines on you in a moment)

The Wormal
- Military titles (non-hereditary actually):
Includes Markgrave which is the title for a Governor of a Military March...which is the german verson of Marquis..
So Ellen, who is a provincial interpets the titles through her 'lens' if you will....

Well, considering that Amestria has agreed not to take the actions that angered me in the previous RP (and that led me to ignore her in the first place), I'll make an exception to my being Lord Unforgiver of the Century and lift the ignore on Amestria.

However, by lifting the ignore, my government has a very unfriendly view of Amestria and would not be willing to enter into any discussions with anyone from that government. If my government declines to attend a conference with Amestria there, it would be under that circumstance rather than have anything to do with a OOC ignore. I just want to make it clear that my government's refusal to attend any kind of conference with Amestria present will be solely IC in nature.

so guys any idea when the Portland Summit might start?

Just to clear things up, before anyone starts firing nukes

The latest post, was a sad derange joke...made by some High Guard agent who has too much time on his hands and he decide to write a what if type of thing. none of it ever happened, there is no munity or massive missle firing....and no one outside of the higher levels of KLM government knows about the paper...so just want to clear that up..

You might want to add an OOC disclaimer to the bottem of the post just to avoid further confusion.

Sarzonia seems to have got the impression that some of the events in the joke report were real and reported on...(which means others could be confused by it).

Sarzonia seems to have got the impression that some of the events in the joke report were real and reported on...(which means others could be confused by it).
He sent me a TG with the clarification. I changed the tenor of the news report that pissed Sarzo off (it took a few words changed around here and there).

The idea of my post was basically to kick start the conference anyway, so no harm, no foul.

He sent me a TG with the clarification. I changed the tenor of the news report that pissed Sarzo off (it took a few words changed around here and there).

The idea of my post was basically to kick start the conference anyway, so no harm, no foul.

Yeah, it my bad so to speak, I should have made it more clear it was a odd joke.

Azazia, TG response...

Telegram again, Azazia.