NationStates Jolt Archive


Special Ops weapons!

The Transylvania
20-06-2006, 22:43
I’m going to get down to the point because I don’t want to make a large post. I want some new Special Op weapons. Weapons that are silenced. Weapons that are light weight.

This is what I’m looking for a silenced sub-machine gun , and a new special ops pistol. Both need to be light, for easy transport, and have good knock down power. If you can, I would like to have a system on them to add flash lights or a laser.

Post away and I will see what to buy.

Under this is what guns that are under review.

Sub-machine guns:
G4 Machine Pistol (Asperitas)
MS-58 Special SMG (Leafanistan)
M49 Bodkin Machine Pistol (Leafanistan)
M50 Bodkin Carbine (Leafanistan)
6MP54 Machine Pistol (Leafanistan)
Model 100 SMG (Otagia)
TIS-100 PDW (Otagia)

Pistols:
4P11 Pistol (Leafanistan)
PG-19 pistol (Mondoth)
CT-3 Special Forces Pistol (Siap)
Predator III Heavy Pistol (Otagia)
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 00:21
BUMP, where are all the gun makers at? I don’t want to use RL weapons as my spec ops guns. I’m open for any type of SMG or pistol as long as a silencer can be placed on it.
German colonies
21-06-2006, 00:24
MP5's can be equiped with a silencer, M16's can be equiped with a silencer and thats all i know of, and some pistols but i don't know which
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 00:26
MP5's can be equiped with a silencer, M16's can be equiped with a silencer and thats all i know of, and some pistols but i don't know which

What did I just say, I don’t want to use an RL guns. Sorry, if I sound like an ass but I don’t like to repeat myself.
Otagia
21-06-2006, 00:34
I'll post something later tonight. I think my Model 10 has an integral silencer, and if it doesn't, it can have one attached. I'll also offer my Predator III, although it might be a bit... loud... for a spec ops weapon (13mm round). Just wait till I get back from my regularly scheduled game night.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 00:37
Okay, I will wait to see what you got.
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 00:39
So, what's the problem with RL guns?
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 00:41
Everybody can say they have them. The only RL special ops type SMG is the HK MP5, which is used by to many people. Same thing with the SOCOM pistol.
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 00:55
Everybody can say they have them. The only RL special ops type SMG is the HK MP5, which is used by to many people. Same thing with the SOCOM pistol.
The only ones? Hmm... the Steyr AUG, HK MK23, Browning Hi-Power, SA80, HK 53 all come to mind.

The MP5 is used so much because it is a very good weapon.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 01:02
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/KGBFaTaLsHoT/G4A1.png

G4 Machine Pistol
// Abstract //

Due to the necessity for a weapon to replace the current Machine Pistol arming officers and pilots and such due to it’s unreliability, weight, and size making it a bit uncontrollable the G4 was made to replace it.

The G4 excelled in being visually pleasing, accurate, small, powerful and reliable. It was to replace the MP5 in current use and did an excellent job at it using patented quad recoil springs arrangement allows for decreased felt recoil and increased service life of the Machine Pistol. The frame of the weapon is made out of almost entirely high strength polymers. The weapon also features a large trigger guard for comfortable shooting even with gloves. The G4 is issued with quick-detachable silencers, Novac Lo Carry Transparent Blue Holosighthttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/KGBFaTaLsHoT/Gun%20Pictures/Sights.jpg, made in USA by Knight's Armaments Co, and with laser pointing module, which installs on the under barrel, or above the barrel RAIL systems. Despite being ridiculously reliable it’s light, and comfortable to wield and fire making it a favorite amongst gun aficionados. Also the weapon is intended with use of the 4.7x39mm high velocity ammunition which claims 100% penetration of CRISAT body Armour (1.6mm of Titanium plus 20 layers of Kevlar) at the distance of 280 meters.

The weapon features a comfortable soft polymer fore-grip which can be detached to reveal a medium length RAIL mount directly under the barrel for the attachment of tactical grips or laser sight or any other equipment which may be equipped on a RAIL system. Despite that the rifle also features a fully detachable and folding stock for comfortable shooting, or light weight, unhampered spraying on the go. The gun it’s self is athstetically pleasing and light, as well as being a scaled down version of the G-12 Asperitan standard issue assault rifles featuring all of it’s pros and less of it’s Cons. One of them being size and lack of recoil dampening. Also, the weapon if asked, can be made metal detector proof. In which integral parts are all changed to super high strength polymers and ceramics which not only makes the weapon heavier and not as reliable as it should be but it also makes it stealth and perfect operations. Ammunition of course isn't detectable as it is caseless, unless your using a ferrous metal cased/core bullet. Despite that this weapon is a prime choice for Special Operations personelle or Pilots due to it's reliability, simple construction, light weight, and comfortable forgrip and normal grip as well as folding stock. Also the Blue transparent sights make pointing and shooting a breeze, and even easier for repeated shooting because the sight is not obstrucing the target or surrounding it. It is giving the best of both worlds with none of the cons and so repeated firing is as easy as single shots and just as accurate as well.

Not only that but AS 4.7 and 5.7 ammunition comes with a small laminate which completely vaporizes with heat and get wiped clean from the chamber with the expanding gasses. The laminate acts as a waterproofer, and keeps in enought oxygen to allow for oxidation and combustion of the grains. Which in turn means this weapon can theoretically be fired in the vaccum of space or in underwater conditions(Not Recommended). Another reason 4.7 and 5.7 were chosen as the weapons main ammunition choices were that the bullets begin to tumble after a rather short distance causing much hydrostatic shock. Which in turn equals lots, and lots of stopping power, and not only that but range shouldn't be a concern with bullet tumbling as range would be concerned with use of Rifles or SMG's. The weapon also featues ajustable barrel weight rods which are are packaged with the gun. The rods are weighed at 5 lbs meaning, when inserted, make the gun 10.5 lbs total. The small cast-iron knob located just above and infront of the trigger guard can move the rod to the users prefrence making kick and uncomfortable felt recoil only small niuscences.

// Specifications //

Caliber: .45 ASP Caseless Also Available in - (5.7/4.7x39 Caseless AS)
Overall Length Stock Extendde/Un-Extended: 25/11 Inches
Folding Stock Length: 1 foot
Barrel Length: 7.2 Inches
Muzzle Velocity: 2,905 FPS
Weight (Unloaded/Without Balancing Weight Rods): 5.5 Lbs
Rate of Fire:
Fastest Clock
2000 RPM
Normal Clock
800 RPM
Slowest Clock
10 RPM
Magazine Size: 40 Rounds Standard Magazine, or 20 round ultra-compact magazine, or 140 Round Beta C-Mag, or 80 Round Extended Mag.
Action: Double Action
Modes of Fire: Semi-Auto, Full-Auto, Safety, and 2 Rnd Burst
Effective Range: 320 Meters
Price:$1850 USD
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 01:07
The only ones? Hmm... the Steyr AUG, HK MK23, Browning Hi-Power, SA80, HK 53 all come to mind.

The MP5 is used so much because it is a very good weapon.

Whatever, I was saying that was the only one I would use. This is NS, not RL. So…I want a NS made gun.

@Asperitas: Okay, the G4 will be added to my list. Still waiting for others to post.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 01:19
The Red Mafia have the Siap-made CT-3 Pistol, though for the price a Chinese-made SMG still works pretty well.

CT-3 Special Forces Pistol (Siap)

Essentially a spinoff of the Walther PPK but with an entirely new polymer body construction and nonferrous parts. These guns do not register on a metal detector and standard x-rays go straight through them, though the ammo is a bit of a worry. (Store Brass Seperately). Perfect for covert smuggling and great for assassins and secret agents.

Caliber: .25 ACP or 10 mm Kurz [default]
Action: Double Action
Length: 148 mm
Weight Unloaded: 560 g
Clip Size: 7 + 1

$950 US each

MS-58 Special (Leafanistan)

A submachine gun using a special subsonic 5.8mm round, it retains its superior penetration but loses range to get silence with an integral silencer. Made mostly of polymers to reduce weight, and only using non-ferrous parts, it can evade detection by normal metal detectors and x-rays. Formerly used by Republican Guard Special Units, and Detachment 2701 it has since been replaced with a yet unidentified weapon.

Calibre: 5.8mm Subsonic
Weight: 2.64kg
Length: 635-872mm
Rate of fire: 750 rpm
Magazine capacity: 32 rounds
Effective range: 100-150 m

$1080 US each
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 01:23
Okay, I will add that to my pistol list. After I get four or more offers on both (I hope), I will figure out what I’m going to buy.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 01:27
Okay, I will add that to my pistol list. After I get four or more offers (I hope), I will figure out what I’m going to buy.

I'll be editing my post for offers, though I think you should be interested in a Chinese-made weapon. And buying from the Red Mafia has another benefit, all markings on the weapon about where it came from have been removed, and it is all black market so under normal circumstances no one can find out where the guns came from. Essentially, it helps keep black-ops black.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 01:31
I'll be editing my post for offers, though I think you should be interested in a Chinese-made weapon.

Unless the Chinese-made weapon is NS, I don’t want to look at it.

And buying from the Red Mafia has another benefit, all markings on the weapon about where it came from have been removed, and it is all black market so under normal circumstances no one can find out where the guns came from. Essentially, it helps keep black-ops black.

True but I’m buying for my nation’s army. So…I don’t need to be secret about it.

@Everybody: One more thing, I love picture. Picture that you have done by yourself would be cool.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 01:42
[The stampings which link construction of the G4 to anybody can be removed if asked, also the gun is ridden with RAIL systems for Special Ops use, as well as a length for threading and the addition of quick removal silencers and simply. It looks schmexeh. =P]
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 01:47
Cool. I like your gun. I’m just waiting for more offers.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 01:50
Transmission from Sierra Visions Inc.

We'd like to submit a family of weapons, the 'Bodkin'. Which is made of all polymer construction with a few non-ferrous metal inserts where it is absolutely necessary. It uses caseless ammunition to further prevent detection.

M49 Bodkin Machine Pistol

The smallest member, it is the pistol version, the M49 is the base unit. It fires either the 9x18mm ZD12 caseless or the special 5.8x19mm Leafanistani Caseless. It can be hard to control at times due to its light weight at full automatic firing, and has two modes, full auto and semiauto. It has a top mounted helical magazine made of clear polymer containing 45 or 75 rounds or the extended 115 round magazine that only confortably fits the carbine version, though all the mags are interchangable.

Caliber: 9x18mm ZD12 or 5.8x19mm Leafanistani
Weight: 1.85 kg empty
Length: 612mm
Barrel length: 200 mm
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute (reduced to maintain stability and prevent cookoff)
Magazine capacity: 45, 75, 115 rounds
Effective Range: 100-150m

M50 Bodkin Carbine

Technically speaking, all Bodkins use a family of modular parts including the 380mm barrel, the larger magazines, the retractable buttstock and all fit top mounted and bottom mounted accessories with the exception of the M49 with the 115 Extended round magazine because the large size of it takes up the room for top mounted accessories.

Caliber: 9x18mm ZD12 or 5.8x19mm Leafanistani
Weight: 2.24kg empty
Length: 792mm-942mm with buttstock extended
Barrel Length: 380mm
ROF: 650 rpm
Magazine capacity: 45, 75, 115 rounds
Effective Range: 200-275m

The full kit that allows conversion from the M49 to the M50 and every combination in between costs $2550 US each. The kit includes the two different barrels, all the different magazines, the buttstock, a laser sight, a silencer and a 1.5x Red Dot scope. While this may seem a heavy proposition, remember the nearly full polymer construction, the superior magazine capacity, and the advantages of caseless ammunition.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 01:54
OOC: Do you want underwater firing weapons?
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 01:55
Okay, I add those two guns to my list.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 01:56
OOC: Do you want underwater firing weapons?

Not right now. This is an OOC thread. So, you don’t need to use OOC.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 02:13
Encrypted Message from Tokarev-Simonova-Korovin Dynamics

For short you can call us TSK Dynamics. We heard there was an offer for a special operations pistol and SMG design, we offer two different weapons, a machine pistol, or a semiautomatic pistol.

6MP54 Machine Pistol 'Name' can be assigned based on your choice

This pistol also includes a silencer and shoulder stock and a lower and top mounted rail to hold a variety of accessories. It performs reasonably well in close range and gives good penetration of body armour at close ranges.

Type: Double Action
Caliber: 9x21mm SP-10 with a hardened AP core
Weight unloaded: 1.86 kg empty, with silencer and stock
Length: 252 mm less silencer; 455 mm with silencer and no stock
Barrel length: 142 mm
Capacity: 20 round clip or 32 rounds extended clip
Effective Range: 125-200m

It is a selective fire weapon and fires either 2 round bursts or semiautomatically. It is made of sturdy metal alloys and the weight helps stabilize it. It has trapezoidal sights and a very good 'pointability'.

$1000 US each

4P11 Pistol

If good economics, ergonomics and reliability are what you are looking for the 4P11 is where it is at. It is covered in rails to fit various devices, threaded tip to fit a silencer and can even fit a stock. It is very comfortable to fire and uses traditional sights and is an easy learn.

Type: Double Action
Calibre: 9x21mm SP-10 with a hardened AP core
Length: 186mm
Barrel Length: 115mm
Capacity: 20 rounds or 32 round extended clip
Effective Range: 150m-250m

A good reliable pistol that is comfortable and easy to learn, and a good deal to boot!

$675 US each
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 02:30
Okay, I add those two pistols.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 02:40
Technically the 6MP54 would go under Submachine Gun as it is a true machine pistol.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 02:45
Technically the 6MP54 would go under Submachine Gun as it is a true machine pistol.

Oh…I will change that then. Thanks! Got any picture of any of your weapons? I love picture.
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 02:56
Don't take this wrong but I don’t care how big you are. I have used your stuff from the time I started this nation. I want new toys from new people.
You realise soldiers tend to hate new toys? They prefer combat-proven, reliable weapons. Arbitrarily re-equipping them will only lower morale.

Also, nearly everyone who makes weapons here just takes a picture and the specifications of a pre-existing gun, and makes the numbers bigger. It'd be cheaper just to do it yourself.
Mondoth
21-06-2006, 02:57
Mondoth Arms Ltd wishes to offer for your review the excellent PG-19 (mm caseless pistol


PG-19
Weight; .65 kgs (loaded)
Round; 9mm caseless pistol
Length; 170 cm
Mode of Fire; Semi-Automatic, Three Round Burst
Range; 150 meters
Magazine; 15 rounds
Price; $350 (includes 4 loaded magazines), $3 per additional magazine
Features; can be fitted with laser targeting system and advanced sights
The Nine is proud to bring you a totally unique weapon! The PG-19 sidearm, utilizing light weight caseless ammo, this pistol fits all your sidearm needs, this lightweight incredibly durable weapon can deliver a hefty blow to unarmored and lightly armored, close targets and is perfect for law enforcement and military uses.
Optional equipment;
-extended 30 round magazine $4 per magazine
-Silencer $150
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 02:58
You realise soldiers tend to hate new toys? They prefer combat-proven, reliable weapons. Arbitrarily re-equipping them will only lower morale.

Also, nearly everyone who makes weapons here just takes a picture and the specifications of a pre-existing gun, and makes the numbers bigger. It'd be cheaper just to do it yourself.[HAH BUT I MAKE MY OWN PICTUARS!]
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:01
[HAH BUT I MAKE MY OWN PICTUARS!
]
Let's face it, Asperitas. You took an MP5, gave it a folding stock, and added ridges to the top, presumably for cooling. But it's still just another MP5

and it's spelled pictors.
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:03
Wait, you didn't even add cooling plates! Comparing them side-by-side, your G4 is an MP5 with a grip!
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:03
@Mondoth: Added to the list.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 03:04
Mondoth Arms Ltd wishes to offer for your review the excellent PG-19 (mm caseless pistol


PG-19
Weight; .65 kgs (loaded)
Round; 9mm caseless pistol
Length; 170 cm
Mode of Fire; Semi-Automatic, Three Round Burst
Range; 150 meters
Magazine; 15 rounds
Price; $350 (includes 4 loaded magazines), $3 per additional magazine
Features; can be fitted with laser targeting system and advanced sights
The Nine is proud to bring you a totally unique weapon! The PG-19 sidearm, utilizing light weight caseless ammo, this pistol fits all your sidearm needs, this lightweight incredibly durable weapon can deliver a hefty blow to unarmored and lightly armored, close targets and is perfect for law enforcement and military uses.
Optional equipment;
-extended 30 round magazine $4 per magazine
-Silencer $150

OOC: In order to make my opponent look bad, thanks to .65kg weight, this thing will kick like no tomorrow and everything past the initial burst and shot will land off target.

Let's face it, Asperitas. You took an MP5, gave it a folding stock, and added ridges to the top, presumably for cooling. But it's still just another MP5

and it's spelled pictors.

I'll admit, he has spelling problems, but his pictures are terribly original, and I'd love to have him make pictures of stuff.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 03:04
Let's face it, Asperitas. You took an MP5, gave it a folding stock, and added ridges to the top, presumably for cooling. But it's still just another MP5

and it's spelled pictors.[I r t3h soz

Despite that, it looks cooler, and it isn't and MP5. Also, this is a hand drawn rip off mix between the XM8 Officers/Pilot carbine/variant and the G3/MP5 HK SMG and Assault Rifle. Heh, yeh I'll add some cooling plates and Heatguards to the pic with it's ulta-compact magazine equipped.

I'll edit my post with it tommorrow.

Also I don't think the MP5 USES CASELESS ROUNDS! DUN DUN DUUUNNN]
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 03:09
[I r t3h soz

Despite that, it looks cooler, and it isn't and MP5. Also, this is a hand drawn rip off mix between the XM8 Officers/Pilot carbine/variant and the G3/MP5 HK SMG and Assault Rifle.

Also I don't think the MP5 USES CASELESS ROUNDS! DUN DUN DUUUNNN]

I was going to make a long post about how the bolt placement is different, the fire selector is different, and the tip of the barrel was different included with a picture and I was going to compare it to the XM8 with MP5 influence, thanks for making my post useless jerk. :mad:

Jk.

Honestly, how much variation can we make into guns without them being either a) ugly as sin, b) overloaded, c) similar or d) just plain crazy.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:10
You realise soldiers tend to hate new toys? They prefer combat-proven, reliable weapons. Arbitrarily re-equipping them will only lower morale.

Do you think I care what my soldiers think? I’m tried of using old weapons. This is the first time have done this with my special ops. Most of the time, I get a gun that is like the one they have been using.

Also, nearly everyone who makes weapons here just takes a picture and the specifications of a pre-existing gun, and makes the numbers bigger. It'd be cheaper just to do it yourself.

But not most people, I know of a few who use the NS Draftroom to run their weapons at everybody before they post them here.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 03:12
I was going to make a long post about how the bolt placement is different, the fire selector is different, and the tip of the barrel was different included with a picture and I was going to compare it to the XM8 with MP5 influence, thanks for making my post useless jerk. :mad:

Jk.

Honestly, how much variation can we make into guns without them being either a) ugly as sin, b) overloaded, c) similar or d) just plain crazy.[Very, very true, so you take what works; leave them in a room with some Barry White playing, let them schmex, and take thier babies and mass produce them.

You take this process, rinse, wash, and repeat with it.]
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:15
[Very, very true, so you take what works; leave them in a room with some Barry White playing, let them schmex, and take thier babies and mass produce them.

You take this process, rinse, wash, and repeat with it.]

*Walk away, shaking head* Don’t know what to say after this post.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 03:15
[Very, very true, so you take what works; leave them in a room with some Barry White playing, let them schmex, and take thier babies and mass produce them.

You take this process, rinse, wash, and repeat with it.]

Despite the fact that I want to outsell you and make sure you never work in this town again, I find myself gravitating toward liking you. To avoid 6 pages worth of a love-fest, I like you Asperitas. Mind making a few pictures for me? My large nation can do things that smaller nations can't, such as mass producing carriers.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:19
Mind making a few pictures for me?

That would be a good idea. What did I say early, I love picture.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 03:20
Despite the fact that I want to outsell you and make sure you never work in this town again, I find myself gravitating toward liking you. To avoid 6 pages worth of a love-fest, I like you Asperitas. Mind making a few pictures for me? My large nation can do things that smaller nations can't, such as mass producing carriers.[I'd be honored =)]
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 03:21
That would be a good idea. What did I say early, I love picture.

All my ideas are fusions of off the beaten path weapons. Such as failed Russian projects, Chinese weapons, and various other ones. I think I'm the only person that sells the FMK SMG here, and the only one who made millions off of it. (I also sold it in my national storefront) I can provide a picture of the weapon I based it off of, and probably no one will recognize it, but I really want to make original pictures, but I don't have the capability to do it.
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:21
Do you think I care what my soldiers think?
That's just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. You realise you give these people weapons, right? And that you entrust them with protecting your ass? If you piss them off too much, they have this thing called a "coup", and it's very bad for you. And even if they don't coup, they won't risk their lives for you if they hate you.

And about the MP5/XM8 thing: I noticed the different bolt placement a minute after I posted (d'oh!), but as for the fire selector: Isn't that basically just changing the knob? You don't have to effect the inner workings that much, I don't think.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 03:24
That's just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. You realise you give these people weapons, right? And that you entrust them with protecting your ass? If you piss them off too much, they have this thing called a "coup", and it's very bad for you. And even if they don't coup, they won't risk their lives for you if they hate you.

And about the MP5/XM8 thing: I noticed the different bolt placement a minute after I posted (d'oh!), but as for the fire selector: Isn't that basically just changing the knob? You don't have to effect the inner workings that much, I don't think.[To change the fire selector knob you don't have to do any internal work besides unscrewing the internal screws which hold the fire selector in. =P

Also yes, the bolt placement =P, I've always been a fan of them being at the foregrip of the gun on the ground that when you are reloading and you have it pinned backwards. You can smack the gun with your fist to have it come down and it looks so cool. =P]
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 03:24
That's just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. You realise you give these people weapons, right? And that you entrust them with protecting your ass? If you piss them off too much, they have this thing called a "coup", and it's very bad for you. And even if they don't coup, they won't risk their lives for you if they hate you.

And about the MP5/XM8 thing: I noticed the different bolt placement a minute after I posted (d'oh!), but as for the fire selector: Isn't that basically just changing the knob? You don't have to effect the inner workings that much, I don't think.

Welcome to NationStates where Communist Nations live forever and violent dictatorships rule with the uptmost loyalty. And the fire selector difference effects the inner workings slightly, and for all I know he is use a gas-retarded blowback instead of normal blowback. That would change the gun's performance a lot. There is a lot we can't say here, like how much it kicks, how hot it can get, ergonomics, etc.

Also Asperitas, do you have an email account, Gmail Account or AIM so we can coordinate this stuff? or we could do it via Telegram, I have to go for the night, other obligations.
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 03:28
Welcome to NationStates where Communist Nations live forever and violent dictatorships rule with the uptmost loyalty. And the fire selector difference effects the inner workings slightly, and for all I know he is use a gas-retarded blowback instead of normal blowback. That would change the gun's performance a lot. There is a lot we can't say here, like how much it kicks, how hot it can get, ergonomics, etc.

Also Asperitas, do you have an email account, Gmail Account or AIM so we can coordinate this stuff?[Yeppers, I have an MSN E-Mail which is czplayer@msn.com, and I have an AIM screen name which is KGBFatalShot]
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:28
Welcome to NationStates where Communist Nations live forever and violent dictatorships rule with the uptmost loyalty. And the fire selector difference effects the inner workings slightly, and for all I know he is use a gas-retarded blowback instead of normal blowback. That would change the gun's performance a lot. There is a lot we can't say here, like how much it kicks, how hot it can get, ergonomics, etc.

Also Asperitas, do you have an email account, Gmail Account or AIM so we can coordinate this stuff?
Ah... Ok.
I'm not a gunsmith, so... you can understand my incorrectness.

*sigh, dejectedly steps off soapbox*
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:30
That's just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. You realise you give these people weapons, right? And that you entrust them with protecting your ass? If you piss them off too much, they have this thing called a "coup", and it's very bad for you. And even if they don't coup, they won't risk their lives for you if they hate you.

You do know your talking to the player? This is an OOC thread until I have my government post something.

IC: Official Message from the Dominion

The reason for the new weapons is this…a comment from one of our spec ops soldiers. He will be unnamed to make sure nobody will know it is him. His voice will be changed too.

In a low sounding vicoe, a male says “Our current weapons are boring as Hell to us. We would like new weapons to use.”

That message was from about two weeks ago. Any other questions?
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:38
You do know your talking to the player? This is an OOC thread until I have my government post something.
Yeah, I know I'm talking to you, and I still say that if you don't care how your soldiers feel, IC, then there is something very wrong with you, IC. Verstanlich?
The Phoenix Milita
21-06-2006, 03:40
We offer the SMG-1 "Transylvania" Sub-Machine Gun
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/SMG-1Trans.jpg
Perfect for soldiers with ADD, the brightly colored gun keeps soldier occupied with a built in game, just like the popular "bop-it" toy.
Caliber .45 ACP
Action: Gas operated open-bolt full-auto
Total Weight: 5lbs
.Range: 200 meters
ROF: 700 rounds per minute
Capacity 30 round magazine
Price: $600
Mondoth
21-06-2006, 03:41
OOC: In order to make my opponent look bad, thanks to .65kg weight, this thing will kick like no tomorrow and everything past the initial burst and shot will land off target.

OOC:
You spotted it!
a lot of people (most) never notice that sort of stuff and think 'lighter is better'
most of my storefront stuff is designed to appeal to those people anyway.

Barrel weights are available to reduce recoil for $20
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:44
Yeah, I know I'm talking to you, and I still say that if you don't care how your soldiers feel, IC, then there is something very wrong with you, IC. Verstanlich?

I was just making sure. IC, I want to make my soldiers happy. They want new guns, so I will give them new guns.

@TPM: Leave now. We don’t need any of that here. You are just be goofy. Goofier then me, I can’t believe somebody can be goofier then me.
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:47
I was just making sure. IC, I want to make my soldiers happy. They want new guns, so I will give them new guns.

@TPM: Leave now. We don’t need any of that here. You are just be goofy..
...I think I'll just drop my argument. I would ask what's wrong with your old guns, but I already know the answer, and we'd just go in circles...

BTW, why would anyone trust anything from TPM, anyway? His stuff is all crap. The above gun is a very good example...
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 03:52
...I think I'll just drop my argument. I would ask what's wrong with your old guns, but I already know the answer, and we'd just go in circles...

BTW, why would anyone trust anything from TPM, anyway? His stuff is all crap. The above gun is a very good example...

Can we not turn this into a bash TPM thread? Please? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

The above gun is just a joke to make me made mad or something. FYI TPM, I do have ADD and I’m dyslexic, too.
The Phoenix Milita
21-06-2006, 03:54
so do I lol and it is a joke to make you laugh not mad, sorry
Asperitas
21-06-2006, 03:57
Can we not turn this into a bash TPM thread? Please? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

The above gun is just a joke to make me made or something. FYI TPM, I do have ADD and I’m dyslexic, too.[Dude, thats sucks. Thanks for telling me that you DOWNER! I kidd =P JK lols

But you can use it to yer advantage with t3h ladies. =P

I was talking to this one chick Jessica in home room and shes into them because she likes being helpful, and because she says thier cute. <--- Eeewwieee]
Liberated New Ireland
21-06-2006, 03:58
so do I lol and it is a joke to make you laugh not mad, sorry
I wasn't mad. I was mostly poking fun. Mostly.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 04:05
so do I lol and it is a joke to make you laugh not mad, sorry

The reason I would get mad is the fact your gun would make my thread into a n00b thread.

@Asperitas: I was not tested for dyslexic until I was eighteen. So, I have learned to work around it. My ADD is not high enough for me to take drugs to clam me down.
Otagia
21-06-2006, 05:00
http://www.ambient.ca/cpunk/shadowguns/model100.gif

10mm Caseless
Barrel Length: 250mm
Overall Length: 330mm
Mass: 2.5 kg unloaded, 3.5 kg loaded
Magazine: 35 rounds
Rate of Fire: 650 rpm
Muzzle Velocity: 2500 fps
Sight: Smartlink, iron sights

Cost: 1200 USD
No integral silencer, admittedly, but an aftermarket model could be installed with no difficulty whatsoever. Say another hundred for a good quality one?

Predator III Heavy Pistol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/normal_arespredatorIIIerase.jpg

13x30mm Magnum
Operation: Gas
Action: Double/Single, DAO
Safety: Frame-mounted with decocker
Sights: Fixed 3-Dot
Barrel: 5.51" (140mm)
Weight: 4.18 lbs. (1.9 kg)
Magazine Capacity: 15 rounds, double stacked
Modes of fire: Safe, semi-automatic, 3-round burst
Cost: 1000 USD

A large calibre pistol, capable of blowing through even hardened body armor with ease. The standard sidearm of the Otagian armed forces.
This one's rather self explanitory. Recoil is, of course, rather obscene, especially on three round burst, but is manageable if you know how to use it.

I've got a few other guns in the works, mostly from Tir Tairngire's Telestrian Industries Corporation, which would probably fit your needs better. Will post them if I have them done before you decide.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 17:58
I will add those two to the list. How long do you need to finish them? The more, the merrier.
Leafanistan
21-06-2006, 18:49
OOC: The Predator fires something wider and nearly as large as a 7.62mm Russian but without the benefit of pointed tips as my 5.8mm rounds have.

Also the barrel length is a bit short so I'm worried about accuracy. Large rounds tend to tumble and make them a concern for range.
Otagia
21-06-2006, 23:40
OOC: The Predator fires something wider and nearly as large as a 7.62mm Russian but without the benefit of pointed tips as my 5.8mm rounds have.

Also the barrel length is a bit short so I'm worried about accuracy. Large rounds tend to tumble and make them a concern for range.
It's a pistol. If you're using one, you really shouldn't be overly concerned about range at this point. If you want range, use a carbine or larger SMG.

As for the TIC guns, not sure on a completion date. Probably won't be done in time, although I can offer their machine pistol right now...

TIS-100 PDW

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/PRA%20junk/p1000.gif

Total Length: 487mm
Barrel Length: 400mm
Mass: 1.2 kg
Cartridge: 6.5mm
Magazine: 20 rounds
Modes of Fire: Safe, semi auto, fully automatic
Cost: 500 USD

The premier personal defense weapon manufactured by Telestrian Industries Corporation, the TIS-100 is the standard machine pistol of the Tir Tairngire Peace Force, and is carried by every officer on police duties. Constructed of light weight polymers and stainless steel, the TIS-100 is a reliable and easily maintained weapon, and with the 6.5mm Grendel cartridge, offers incredible stopping power. Recoil is high, but deemed manageable by the Council.
The Transylvania
21-06-2006, 23:46
As for the TIC guns, not sure on a completion date. Probably won't be done in time, although I can offer their machine pistol right now...

Okay, I will add that to the list. When you get done, I would like to check them out. At everybody, I’m going to look over ever offer and compare them. Give me a couple of hours.
The Transylvania
22-06-2006, 00:18
Official Statement from the Dominion

It was hard to just pick one or two of each category. They were many gun weapons in both the pistol category and the sub-machine category that fit everything thing we need. A small team of special ops soldiers from the few division have review the weapons. They had a harder time picking the best weapon for the job.

First of off, I would like to thank all you offered a weapons. Moving on I will list the SMGs that were picked.

The G4 machine pistol from Asperitas. The .45 round sounds good to the spec op boys. The many type of magazine was also a reason to pick it.

The 6MP54 Machine pistol from TSK Dynamics, which we would like to call the Shadow Fox sub-machine gun. In honor of the best spec ops division in the Dominion Armed Forces, the 16th Shadow Foxes.

And the last pick is the Model 100 SMG from Otagia.

The pistols, not that many to pick from like the SMG, are the next thing that will be listed.

The 4P11 pistol from TSK Dynamics, for the quiet kills. And we have also picked the Predator III heavy pistol oorm Otagia. The reason for that pick is because of the 13x30mm Magnum its uses. Can’t say no to that type of stopping power.

This is what the Dominion wants: a half of million guns order up front and the Production rights of the guns. The maker of the guns we have picked will made a lot of money. Send a message either saying okay or saying no deal. Thank you.
Asperitas
22-06-2006, 06:53
The night the message was received.

The shipments were sent out, and several dozen C5 Galaxy's taxied onto the runway all filled the the brim with wooden crates of G4MP's. The planes all sprawled across fort Conrads asphalt runways readied for take off, reading thier confirmation codes and putting the Turbo-Props on full power as the behemoth planes began to sprint forwards and off towards Transylvania.

Meanwhile, a ultra-superduper-highly encrpyted E-Mail was sent to Transylvania's research and production department with the blueprints for production of the weapon as well as how to reproduce each type of magazine. Then lastly, as a act of hospitality each weapon was shipped free of charge with each type of magazine produced as well as 300,000 rounds of ammunition.
The Transylvania
22-06-2006, 15:34
Soon Asperitas’ government would find a lot of cash in their national bank or whatever the place they have the war budget in. 500,000 times the price of a G4 for the production rights. $925,000,000.
Leafanistan
22-06-2006, 17:03
Official Statement from the Dominion

It was hard to just pick one or two of each category. They were many gun weapons in both the pistol category and the sub-machine category that fit everything thing we need. A small team of special ops soldiers from the few division have review the weapons. They had a harder time picking the best weapon for the job.

First of off, I would like to thank all you offered a weapons. Moving on I will list the SMGs that were picked.

The G4 machine pistol from Asperitas. The .45 round sounds good to the spec op boys. The many type of magazine was also a reason to pick it.

The 6MP54 Machine pistol from TSK Dynamics, which we would like to call the Shadow Fox sub-machine gun. In honor of the best spec ops division in the Dominion Armed Forces, the 16th Shadow Foxes.

And the last pick is the Model 100 SMG from Otagia.

The pistols, not that many to pick from like the SMG, are the next thing that will be listed.

The 4P11 pistol from TSK Dynamics, for the quiet kills. And we have also picked the Predator III heavy pistol form Otagia. The reason for that pick is because of the 13x30mm Magnum its uses. Can’t say no to that type of stopping power.

This is what the Dominion wants: a half of million guns order up front and the Production rights of the guns. The maker of the guns we have pick will made a lot of money. Send a message either saying okay or saying no deal. Thank you.


Encrypted from TSK Dynamics

We are extremely pleased with your choices, and we will begin shipping immediately, if you could grant clearance for our An-124 to being shipping, it would be most appreciated.

As for production rights, we would like $25 for every gun manufactured, on top of paying for the production rights and the 500,000 guns, it is a small surcharge for the services the 4P11 and the 6MP54 and we accept the 'Shadow Fox' as the popular name.

(Flight plans for cargo planes)
(Encrypted Plans for guns)
(Encrypted Plans for ammunition)

The SP-10 round and its sister round SP-12 are unusual in their design. They are SJ ESC (Semi-Jacketed Exposed Steel Core) rounds and when fired in a low-power load such as the Marakov pistol they can penetrate a standard army vest at 30 meters easily. In our loads it can penetrate a standard army vest at 130 metres 90% of the time. They deliver superior energy on impact in Joules versus the .45 ASP caseless. It can penetrate 16mm battleplate seen on armoured Scout Cars and lower-end APCs from 75 metres 90% of the time depending on slant.

The SP-12 with expanding C7 foam, acts in less than a second detonating and causing massive and can easily knock a person several metres away. It can cause shrapnel wounds from the destruction of the vest in a 1.5 metre radius and can penetrate most unarmoured Scout Cars and destroys bullet resistant glass. It is most effective in close quarters where accuracy is no longer a concern and can send pieces of the wall flying apart and is good for ensured destruction of objects and personnel at distance.

We are shipping.

Thank you.

[END]

Throughout the factories located in the Free Trade Zone in what used to be Bellum Prefero coastline, An-124s were being prepped for a long trip as crates marked TSK Dynamics were loaded. Soon 3 another planes was loaded full of ammunition, 32 million rounds, of SP-10 ammunition, each in its own magazine. Also included were four special guns each in its own intracately carved wooden box. Inside each were a clip of silver bullets, and gold plated guns. 2 of each type with a thank you note from TSK Dynamics. Also included were 20 magazines and another 32,000 rounds of SP-12 ammunition containing expanding C7 foam which will expand in less than a second after impact and detonate. 8 planes were needed, and by tomorrow morning they'd be in the air.
The Transylvania
22-06-2006, 19:38
Encrypted from TSK Dynamics

We are extremely pleased with your choices, and we will begin shipping immediately, if you could grant clearance for our An-124 to being shipping, it would be most appreciated.

As for production rights, we would like $25 for every gun manufactured, on top of paying for the production rights and the 500,000 guns, it is a small surcharge for the services the 4P11 and the 6MP54 and we accept the 'Shadow Fox' as the popular name.

(Flight plans for cargo planes)
(Encrypted Plans for guns)
(Encrypted Plans for ammunition)

We are shipping.

Thank you.

[END]

Encrypted from Dominion Armed Forces‘ Command

The 25 dollar will not be a deal with us. The reason for that is because we are using the guns for our own. The guns will be for the Dominion Armed Forces. This what the deal is for:

500,000 6MP54s: $500,000,000
Production rights for the 6MP54: $500,000,000
500,000 4P11s: $337,500,000
Production rights for the 4P11s: $337,500,000

Total of everything: $1,675,000,000

Deal?

Clearance has been granted.
The Transylvania
26-06-2006, 18:40
Bump for the ones I picked to see.
Leafanistan
28-06-2006, 01:27
Encrypted from Dominion Armed Forces‘ Command

The 25 dollar will not be a deal with us. The rest for that is because we are using the guns for our own. The guns will be for the Dominion Armed Forces. This what the deal is for:

500,000 6MP54s: $500,000,000
Production rights for the 6MP54: $500,000,000
500,000 4P11s: $337,500,000
Production rights for the 4P11s: $337,500,000

Total of everything: $1,675,000,000

Deal?

Clearance has been granted.

Encrypted Reply

We will ship the plans and the license for domestic production of the 6MP54 Shadow Fox and the 4P11 as soon as the money arrives.

Enjoy the specially built ones we have sent as presents.

Thank you.

[END]
The Transylvania
28-06-2006, 02:14
A short message was send back to TSK Dynamics with the two words. No, not the two words that the WWE tag team, D-X, uses. These were ‘Money Wired.’
Otagia
29-06-2006, 23:01
Pale Rider Arms will happily fill your order as below:

500,000 Predator III Heavy Pistols
500,000 Model 100 SMGs w/ silencer
Production rights to all of the above
Production rights to the ammunition of the above

The price total will come to 2,000,000,000 USD, including shipping and handling. As an alternative payment option, we would also accept five seperate plots of land, each approximately 1 kilometer square, to house Pale Rider Arms arcologies (payed for by Pale Rider Arms and constructed by local businesses). Please contact us as to which option you prefer.

Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms
The Transylvania
29-06-2006, 23:15
A message was sent to Otagia from the Dominion Armed Forces‘ Command, “The money will be the easiest option. The land, that the Dominion has, has been took with the blood it her people. So…the money has been wired.”