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Yeah, I basically decided that we needed an OOC thread specifically dedicated to the Idaho RP. The Torontian one could become VERY crowded if the other Torontian RP picked up while Idaho is in full swing.

I'd like to say that, right now, I am very happy with the Idaho RP. Everyone has RP'd being against the odds really well thus far.

Yeah, this is one Charlie Foxtrot of covert military action, overt military action and diplomatic dancing. Fun.

If I capture a few strategic targets here in the next few IC Days, things will go alot faster. Right now i'm having slight logistical issues with my ground war. Plus, it's ALOT more fun to just carpet bomb anything that looks like a threat.

If I capture a few strategic targets here in the next few IC Days, things will go alot faster. Right now i'm having slight logistical issues with my ground war. Plus, it's ALOT more fun to just carpet bomb anything that looks like a threat.

And threaten your alliance with Colonel Buendia and Colonel Black and the local populace? It is a lot more fun to use some fine points and get friendly. They are just Americans, so show some kindness, and get the population to like you. Conquerers aren't exactly appreciated, Liberators on the other hand sound a lot better.

And threaten your alliance with Colonel Buendia and Colonel Black and the local populace? It is a lot more fun to use some fine points and get friendly. They are just Americans, so show some kindness, and get the population to like you. Conquerers aren't exactly appreciated, Liberators on the other hand sound a lot better.

I think the driving of civilians towards McKagan in the south may have backfired on the warlords/new order. McKagan now has ALOT of the civilians around the McKagan's base of operations in secure reinforcement. Those are civilians that can't be used as human sheilds.

Colonel Buendia and Black have alot more to gain from McKagan airpower than to lose. What you'll probably see in the coming weeks of IC RP'ing is McKagan making a VERY slow advance north, but using large numbers of Special Forces and Precision Air Support to capture strategic targets along the way.

The 15,000 Feet ceiling of the McKagan LCAVs is only 10,460
Due to the altitude of Malad City being 4,540 feet.

This brings the Stingers possibly within range of the LCAVs due to their average 10,000 feet ceiling of the Stingers, however add in how the air is thinner the higher up and it's the bare limit. This still leaves them way out of range of the 6,000 height limit of the 23mm AA guns but well within the range of the M42 40mm guns with a ceiling of 11,500 Feet.

What do you mean? Sea level has nothing to do with it? It's the elevation from where the unit is sitting. The UCAV's would be flying to take the elevation of the ground above sea level into account to avoid any AA fire like that. That said, the UCAV's can also turn high G's to avoid weapons like that. Shooting them down will be more than difficult. I've got experience with stinger missiles because my role was reversed when I was trying to wage an insurgency against Amestria in Torontia. They were using PREDATOR's. The McKagan UCAV's are alot more advanced than the Predator, and I don't know if I ever hit one of those.

Not a single Amestrian predator was downed by the TPLA.

Not a single Amestrian predator was downed by the TPLA.

I didn't think so. And if McKagan can't train insurgents to hit a PREDATOR, Nod can't train insurgents to hit a UCAV that's a few generations ahead of the Predator.

Of course they can't train anyone to hit a drone. All they can train them to do is try (Futlessly) to supress their movements and maybe to try and hit their missiles. But to confirm, you're saying that your UACVs are flying at really 20,000 Feet though correct? Okay.

Well, they're going to be chaging altitudes more than just sitting at 20,000 feet. That's the point. They can change altitude quickly. In theory, you'd be best to aim at any UCAV that's in a pocket of other UCAV's. That's how the other one went down. Instead of trying to change it's course when it was surrounded, it just stayed where it was and took the hit instead of changing direction and risking an impact with another UCAV.

Mckagan: TG

Amestria, TG.

I want to launch an 3 pronged offensive on Zynxville.

From the North with the well armed and mechanized division of Colonel Black's Montanan Army.

From the South with the well trained militia belonging to Colonel Buendia.

And from either the West or East with McKagan paratroopers.

Mckagan, Leafanistan, and Amestria. TG

And if you do this your Mafia guys in Chitzeland die. So once BH tells them who's running Zynxville they better talk Montana out of it.

I want to launch an 3 pronged offensive on Zynxville.

Fair enough (good plan btw), but it will take sometime to organize given conditions in Idaho.

From the North with the well armed and mechanized division of Colonel Black's Montanan Army.

From the South with the well trained militia belonging to Colonel Buendia.

And from either the West or East with McKagan paratroopers.

As Southeastern Idaho has yet to be tamed (still pretty much under warlord control) and fighting continues in the Northeast getting those forces into position will not be a cake walk.

BTW: I am curious as to the exact conditions along the Idaho/Montana border given the civil war.

Mckagan, Leafanistan, and Amestria. TG

And if you do this your Mafia guys in Chitzeland die. So once BH tells them who's running Zynxville they better talk Montana out of it.

Montana has its own seperate interests and the Mafia are expecting some losses, they'll pull out and sell whomever attacks them out.

Pretty much what I'm saying is that the Mafia sold the weapons to Independent Montana because they paid well.

Also you can't have BH tell the Mafia to stop it because you have no idea where the Independent Montanan forces got those weapons. The Mafia doesn't exactly stamp their logos on anything, they just sell things as is.

Local units don't understand what is the big picture. The Mafia is not a government sponsored market.

Any betrayal in Chitzeland will be ignored as it started for an OOC reason or from an Encrypted IC reason you coulnd't have known about.

I want to launch an 3 pronged offensive on Zynxville.

From the North with the well armed and mechanized division of Colonel Black's Montanan Army.

From the South with the well trained militia belonging to Colonel Buendia.

And from either the West or East with McKagan paratroopers.

McKagan doesn't really have paratrooper assets in Idaho. They have a single division, but it's more or less a contingency for incase the MTDF ever gets really near to a high value target and doesn't have anyone in the area.

McKagan more or less has Zynxville surrounded - so MTDF forces will be involved all around the city. Let me work on the air defense stuff a bit more though. I'm not done yet.

McKagan more or less has Zynxville surrounded - so MTDF forces will be involved all around the city. Let me work on the air defense stuff a bit more though. I'm not done yet.

Actually Mckagan, your forces have yet to surround the city of Zynxville.

Zynxville (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/IDMap-doton-MaladCity.PNG)

Twin Falls (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/IDMap-doton-TwinFalls.PNG)

As Southeastern Idaho has yet to be tamed (still pretty much under warlord control)


... what? McKagan has totally defeated almost everyone in southern Idaho. It hasn't entered a few population centers, but it's stopping people from moving AND cracking down on the countryside. McKagan troops move without being assaulted... yet the WARLORDS control it?

... I don't get it.

Actually Mckagan, your forces have yet to surround the city.

Technically, the forces already surrounded the city. They were already in the area, just not focusing ON the city, but rather on the surrounding countryside.

Spheres of control, as I understand them.

Southwestern Idaho: Under Mckagan’s complete control (minus the various compounds in the countryside and Twin Falls).

Southeastern Idaho: Under warlord/survivalist/Nod control. Mckagan has yet to make a significant presence.

Central Idaho: On fire (Mckagans burning operation), Mckagan forces moving into the area to take out insurgents (aide refuges?).

Northwestern Idaho: Mckagan forces sweeping through the area, very little resistance (thanks to Xirniums bombardment). Should be under Mckagans complete control in five days to a week…

Northeastern Idaho: Mckagan forces rapidly moving through the area, cutting off the warlords off from each other.

Boise: Under Mckagan control, but insurgents are waging a hit and run campaign from the sewer system.

Meh, Amestria, that's mostly right. I took the term "warlord controlled" a little strong. The fact is, it simply isn't controlled by McKagan. Most of the warlords have broken apart and tried to run away. It's just random dudes with guns who like to shoot things.

Leafanistan Explaination TG.

Nod and I just discovered something odd.

Nod has never killed a McKagan troop - and yet I've hunted Zynxville down without even offering a cease fire.

... In my defense - I needed to see what my UCAV's could really do.

Amestria, TG.
Kahanistan, TG.

Kahanistan, TG.
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Amestria, TG.

Nod has never killed a McKagan troop - and yet I've hunted Zynxville down without even offering a cease fire.
And how will the McKagan government justify targeting one militia group (the "city-state" of Zynxville) whilst cooperating with other militia groups (including those that use impressment of civilians in order to swell their ranks)?

Regarding the northeast cities, starving them out will not work, not unless the McKagan government is happy with causing a massive humanitarian disaster which would no doubt attract the ire of the international community. If the McKagan military wants to keep those areas encircled, it would be advised to air-drop food, water and medical supplies into the cities, as Xirnium is forced to do to keep the masses of refugees on Torontia’s borders from dying.

Speaking of which, those refugees will probably have constructed their own ad hoc refugee camps by now, with the construction materials that have been parachuted over in huge quantities. Given that they will be eating better than they probably have been in years, have received warm clothing, fuel, water, shelter, etc, I imagine that they might be fairly well disposed towards Xirnium. The ever present nature of the Xirniumite Air Force would mean that at least overt warlord presence here would not be possible (any troop concentrations, military vehicles, people discharging firearms, etc, would of course become instant targets). There would not be much stopping random and small-scale violence though, since no one is policing these refugee camps yet, to my knowledge.

All in all, life for those Idahoans in the border refugee camps would be a significant improvement over their previous existance, though in Independent Idaho this isn't saying much.

And how will the McKagan government justify targeting one militia group (the "city-state" of Zynxville) whilst cooperating with other militia groups (including those that use impressment of civilians in order to swell their ranks)?

Indeed, quite a question to ask.

TG, Lone Alliance.

Before anyone starts screaming, I gave Nod permission for that last post.

And that's the only outside attack Nod gets.

Amestria, TG.

And that's the only outside attack Nod gets.

Yeah. I sort of deserve having a jammer blown up for using ground based systems anyway.

Urgh. Now that I look back, I really need to redo some things. Anybody got any idea how I can get back into the Constitutional Convention?

Just have your guy speak up and say something.

Any other ideas, people?

Any other ideas, people?
Jetpack entry through the upper balcony windows of the conference room.

Well, what does your guy think of the proposed Torontian Bill of Rights? We're going to talk about it after we finish the quota discussion, which seems soon.

Well, what does your guy think of the proposed Torontian Bill of Rights? We're going to talk about it after we finish the quota discussion, which seems soon.

The quota discussions are still far from over.

Well, what does your guy think of the proposed Torontian Bill of Rights? We're going to talk about it after we finish the quota discussion, which seems soon.
Not quite as exciting as entering the room in a shower of broken glass and burning rocket fuel though, is it?

Jetpack entry through the upper balcony windows of the conference room.
Other than joke suggestions, anyone else?

I still don't see why your guy can't just walk in and sit next to one of the delegates, ask what he's missed, and give his opinions on whatever the topic is at the time (either the quotas or the Bill of Rights.)

Other than joke suggestions, anyone else?
Okay, okay...

Have you seen Mission Impossible? You know the scene where the secret agent needs to enter the computer room without touching any of the walls or making any sounds? Mr Ho should enter like that.

The character I created may be an arrogant bastard, but he isn't that insane. Besides, I haven't exactly developed him properly now that I look back, and I feel I need to do some rewriting....

Ah, I have it!

Mr Ho should enter the conference room in the same manner that Lt-Colonel Antonion Tejero entered the Spanish Parliament in February 1981… by charging in and firing a burst of submachine gun bullets into the roof.

I say wait for the discussion on the Bill of Rights, have Mr. Ho enter, have him give a lame excuse for being late, and then take his seat, that would be the best way in my opinion.

Oh, and please you the Torontian OOC thread, this is the Idaho OOC thread.

I say wait for the discussion on the Bill of Rights, have Mr. Ho enter, have him give a lame excuse for being late, and then take his seat, that would be the best way in my opinion.

Oh, and please you the Torontian OOC thread, this is the Idaho OOC thread.
Any suggestions for not giving a lame excuse?

Any suggestions for not giving a lame excuse?

He could have a real excuse, like he heard just as the break ended that something bad had happened to a member of his family and he wanted all the information, thus was delayed...

He could have gotten lost when the Convention switched buildings...

Or he could have walked into a door and been knocked unconcious...

Or he could have walked into a door and been knocked unconcious...
Or, at least, that is his staff’s version of events...

I think Xirnium needs a good slap to the face, as his mind seems to have degraded to the quality of a kindergarten kid...

Just because you do not like my suggestions (which, mind you, you asked for) does not mean that you should be making threats of personal violence, Southeastasia.

I was just joking! Damn it, forgot to add the smilies....

No cookies or milk for either of you, now go and sit in the corner!

Wow. :p

No cookies or milk for either of you, now go and sit in the corner!
Aww, but he started it! :p

And find out who is still ready to fight Xirnium. We will help. We're the Ashtonbury Brigade. We always help.
About this… I can’t speak for Kahanistan (since it is he who is RPing the warlords), but in my opinion, there would be few bandits left in Torontia crazy enough to assault fortified Xirniumite positions – whether they be the impregnable East Torontia-Idaho frontier line or the protected refugee camps. This is especially so given what happened to the last group that tried to do that. Also given that there is nothing whatsoever for the brigands to gain by annoying one of the few militaries in the area that is not at the moment actively attempting to exterminate them.

In addition, the warlords likely have more pressing concerns elsewhere, namely the invading McKagan troops or Montanan auxiliaries.

Other than that, all good, though I question how the Allanean irregulars and their equipment are going to infiltrate into a nation whose borders are rapidly being closed by the McKagan MTDF.

Indeed, Xirnium.

The MTDF has put a division of Krisona's on the borders of the nation. UCAV's patrol the sky. All means of "organized" resistance have been quickly and effectively destroyed. MAYBE if Allanea got to Idaho before the MTDF, they could have made a stand. But not now. It's too late.

McKagan doesn't have any threats right now. McKagan is a superpower without a cause. The MTDF has no limits. It have a massively bloated budget and very few places to spend it. If it sees any problem AT ALL in Idaho - which I have ever intention of turning into a McKagan province - the MTDF WILL put a few million troops on the ground. I've already got the numbers (what they'll be in a bit) at 1 million. Airports have already been secured. All it takes now is time.

I honestly don't know what anyone can gain by throwing a few special forces into the nation. This isn't an Afghanistan v. Soviet Union situation. McKagan owns every aspect of the Idaho theatre.

This would be like China sending a special forces team to take over Seattle.

Don't be so cocky Mckagan; the nation is not totally subdued yet, and if it is that has little affect upon an Allanean internet companies attempts to set up shop (one of the three Allanean groups taking interest).

Don't be so cocky Mckagan

:rolleyes:

the nation is not totally subdued yet, and if it is that has little affect upon an Allanean internet companies attempts to set up shop (one of the three Allanean groups taking interest).

McKagan won't allow a foreign company to set up shop at the moment for several reasons.


There's no form of currency.
There's no jobs.


Just who is going to buy the INTERNET in Idaho? It's the most utterly ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. NS Idaho's RL comparison is Africa.

I don't think AOL works in Africa.

If you don't mind my asking, what exactly is 'Torontia?'

A tinpot dictatorship that a large coalition overthrew and is now rebuilding as a democracy.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Occupation_of_Torontia

McKagan won't allow a foreign company to set up shop at the moment for several reasons.

Foreign Companies though are perfectly entitled to ask anyway...


There's no form of currency.
There's no jobs.


Just who is going to buy the INTERNET in Idaho? It's the most utterly ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. NS Idaho's RL comparison is Africa.

I don't think AOL works in Africa.

Actually urban Somalia, even as the country heads towards complete social collapse and creeping Talibanization, has internet and cell phone coverage... So Idaho is more like the tribal rural areas of Liberia, Serria Leone, and Somalia... And, as you pointed out, developing infrastructure (power, phone lines, and plumbing) will be worth a lot of money. So some fringe internet company has decided to get a piece of an emerging market, it probably has enough customers in Allanea and other countries to easily underwrite Idahoan operations (Allaneans have a scary tendency to try to ideologically hijack areas by investment and predatory corporations...think Cute Bunny Burgers...which also might try to set up shop).

Here's the point:

There's no way in hell McKagan will allow an Allanean company into Idaho.

At all.

Ever.

Amestria, TG.

BTW, would a Kahanistanian corporation be allowed to do business in Torontia or Idaho?

BTW, would a Kahanistanian corporation be allowed to do business in Torontia or Idaho?

I can't speak for Torontia, but depending on what type of corporation it is, McKagan would probably allow it.

It'd probably do business whether it was allowed to or not, it has even less regard for national sovereignty than the Kahanistanian MFA.

The point is basically how discreet they'd have to be. This is a corporation that fired on a Psychotic Psychos battlecruiser that tried to seize their ship. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11523738&postcount=36)

Basically, they distribute books, CD's, literature most publishers won't touch due to controversial or political content, but some of their stuff is less controversial, it's all about freedom of speech.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Samizdat_Corporation

Realizing that it's unlikely most people in Idaho can read and education in Torontia probably isn't that great (a bunch of New Order bullshit indoctrination) the corporation would probably be willing to sponsor a literacy program and build its image, even if they do act a bit like Allaneans.

A tinpot dictatorship that a large coalition overthrew and is now rebuilding as a democracy.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Occupation_of_Torontia

Okay, that article DOES need serious updating, im not even mentioned! I deserve to be given at LEAST a paragraph.

Moving on...

:looks at zones of McKagan occupation:

Anybody mind if I try and take control of SouthEastern Idaho. If its okay, expect a unholy hell of a brutal 'pacification' campaign, and I mean chemical weapons, massacres, artillery levelling cities, everything except nukes and bio-weapons until the area is safe for Red Tide to setup a puppet goverment.

Okay, that article DOES need serious updating, im not even mentioned! I deserve to be given at LEAST a paragraph.

Moving on...

:looks at zones of McKagan occupation:

Anybody mind if I try and take control of SouthEastern Idaho. If its okay, expect a unholy hell of a brutal 'pacification' campaign, and I mean chemical weapons, massacres, artillery levelling cities, everything except nukes and bio-weapons until the area is safe for Red Tide to setup a puppet goverment.
If you feel the article needs updating, go ahead and update it, that's the glory of the Wiki system.

I personally don't care what you try to do in Idaho, most of the time I don't even know what's going on myself. Let's see what the rest of the community says.

Why Does Everyone Post Without Getting Proper Premission?!

Red Tide I Do Not Approve Of An Invasion Of Idaho, period! Particularly a sudden invasion out of nowhere for no reason at such a late date!

Anybody mind if I try and take control of SouthEastern Idaho.

Yes, actually. Again, if you had been here when the RP first started it would be alot easier for you to do that, but with McKagan forces already in the area and the nation partially sealed off I don't really see how or why you would/could do that.

Damn... alright, I will delete the post.

:mutters something about being bored again:

Now Red Tide, if your Mafia wanted to infiltrate Idaho...and by infiltrate I mean something other then flying there in mass in easily detected planes, they could probably sell some things...weapons, ammo, anti-tank weapons, anti-air missiles... Like slipping in on horse back, with several small trucks, or with a Stealth cargo plane (if those even exists and the Mafia has control of them).

Idaho's warlords have gems, drugs, and people (serfs/helots/slaves) they could trade for such weapons and I'm sure the Mafia would see the oppertunity for profit.

No invasions though, Red Tide Government involvement, or superweapons though, keep it minimal and creative.

Actually, Ive ditched my N2s because I found out they are scientifically unfeasible. I also am reviewing the feasibility of my Falling Star System. If that go out the window, then I will have no superweapons left(unless you count Tunsgten Rods).

And so what if the planes are detectable? Their vector would take them over areas that McKagan doesnt control. McKagan would actively have to go up to them in order to shoot them down.

Speaking of all this, who controls Oregon? Was it part of Torontia?

And so what if the planes are detectable? Their vector would take them over areas that McKagan doesnt control. McKagan would actively have to go up to them in order to shoot them down.

And Mckagan would seek to shoot them down or would seek to find them on the ground, est. He has several airbases in southern Idaho...

Speaking of all this, who controls Oregon? Was it part of Torontia?

Yes it is part of Torontia and split between the Western and Eastern Governments.

Alright... then I will invade... CALIFORNIA!

PS: I am 95% sure that it is not part of Torontia.

PSS: I have seen the trailer for World In Conflict TOO MANY TIMES!

Alright... then I will invade... CALIFORNIA!

PS: I am 95% sure that it is not part of Torontia.

PSS: I have seen the trailer for World In Conflict TOO MANY TIMES!

McKagan already has bases in California. That's where it bases its troops for the area. It has several million there right now incase things go wrong in either Torontia or Idaho.

Now Red Tide, if your Mafia wanted to infiltrate Idaho...and by infiltrate I mean something other then flying there in mass in easily detected planes, they could probably sell some things...weapons, ammo, anti-tank weapons, anti-air missiles... Like slipping in on horse back, with several small trucks, or with a Stealth cargo plane (if those even exists and the Mafia has control of them).

Idaho's warlords have gems, drugs, and people (serfs/helots/slaves) they could trade for such weapons and I'm sure the Mafia would see the oppertunity for profit.

No invasions though, Red Tide Government involvement, or superweapons though, keep it minimal and creative.

Exactly.

As i've said earlier, McKagan hasn't COMPLETELY locked the borders down yet. There's troops MOVING there, but slowly and without infrastructure. You can get some people across on horseback, but invading or flying strategic military assets in now is how you get the MTDF to start splashing planes all over the region. Seriously, try to do whats feasable.

I'm surprised i'm the first person to point this out - but this Mafia would be the third such working in the region.

At what point do these mafia's start fighting each other over land?

Alright... then I will invade... CALIFORNIA!

No you will not.

No you will not.

A: Come on! Im desperate to get involved somehow! And I am BOOOORRRRRREEEEEEEDDDDDD!

B: Do I really need your approval to do something that doesnt truly involve you?

C: I came up with reasons for the invasion. Basicilly, California has a large and varied manufacturing and electronic technology base. The Tech-Com Corporation WANTS those factories and IT technology, so it cojeals, bribes, and blackmails the Red Tidean Goverment to invade California. A bonus for the Red Tide Military is that it could use ports and military bases in California for the future. They dont inted to really annex California, just install a puppet goverment.

EDIT: C: Just saw McKagans post. In that case... I want to invade somewhere... any suggestions?

I've been RP'ing California as having a decreased population, but operational infrastructure, since the collapse of the Tanakis regime. That IS how it would be, right?

I think I might declare California a province before long.

EDIT: C: Just saw McKagans post. In that case... I want to invade somewhere... any suggestions?

Well, the Torontian theatre has been pretty well grabbed up. Torontia is divided god knows how many ways. Idaho is McKagan held. California is McKagan held. The Lone Alliance has Alaska. Montana is a country. Nevada is the center of a McKagan air-route between California and Idaho...

I don't know.

Well, you COULD invade McKagan-held territory, if you wanted to go to war with McKagan and he's willing to go along with it, I don't see why anyone else has to approve it.

Well, you COULD invade McKagan-held territory, if you wanted to go to war with McKagan and he's willing to go along with it, I don't see why anyone else has to approve it.

I don't see what the point in that would be. Red Tide has no real REASON to. Plus, I think some of his high ranking government members are in McKagan... What ever happened to that?

Too busy to RP a full scale war, too. School started last week.

I assume they left, overthrew the Red Tidean Democratic Goverment, and reinstated the Corporate Dictatorship. However, Supreme Commander Gregori isnt really known for holding debts... although he certainly is FRIENDLY towards McKagan.

I assume they left, overthrew the Red Tidean Democratic Goverment, and reinstated the Corporate Dictatorship. However, Supreme Commander Gregori isnt really known for holding debts... although he certainly is FRIENDLY towards McKagan.

Yeah, okay. That works.

So yeah. I don't see Red Tide outright attacking McKagan.

I honestly don't know. It looks like everyone starting grabbing the land AROUND Torontia long ago. California is McKagan held, as will be Idaho. Nevada isn't occupied yet, but because it forms the air-bridge to Idaho, McKagan wouldn't let anyone touch it.

I don't know, honestly. Unless you want to go kick TLA out of Alaska...

I assume they left, overthrew the Red Tidean Democratic Goverment, and reinstated the Corporate Dictatorship. However, Supreme Commander Gregori isnt really known for holding debts... although he certainly is FRIENDLY towards McKagan.

You'd be jepordizing an important relationship with Leafanistan, and unknowingly ruin Mafia support. The Mafia has been secretely getting $1 trillion US from McKagan in order to destabilize its enemies and make sure 'friendly' insurgencies are kind.

I don't know, honestly. Unless you want to go kick TLA out of Alaska...

Meh, Ill telegram TLA... see if we can work something out. He does have me on his enemy list(check his wiki).

Meh, Ill telegram TLA... see if we can work something out. He does have me on his enemy list(check his wiki).

OOC: You won't get help from me or my Mafia, and my Mafia may sell weapons to the Black Hand of Nod, unless McKagan or Red Tide or Red Tide's Mafia makes a significant 'block' offer.

You know, some extra green for us to say no, or to say that we are down for maintainence whenever Nod comes calling. You know?

;)

JUST THROW MONEY AT ME, I NEED TO BUY SOME F-4s TO SELL TO TERRORISTS!

Just to clarify, anyone who wishes to leave the Xirniumite-administered refugee camps may do so freely at any time, no questions asked. Their identities will be on record if ever they should attempt to return to the camps. For those that don’t leave, full compliance with the Gendarmerie’s directives is required. Xirnium’s humanitarian responsibilities and obligations will only go so far, if people do not want to part with their weapons, or to supply a name, they do not have to - the Eternal Republic doesn't care. It is certainly not on a crusade to make the world a better place.

So for the crazy survivalists commited to making the promise "from my cold, dead hands" a grim reality, there's no need - they can just walk out. No need for violence.

Clarification: I believe that such a right does not extend to children. The standard of the duty of care that must be shown to individuals currently in the custody of the Xirniumite government is much higher for minors.

Concerning the elderly, the infirm, the disabled; I believe that, in most cases, their express wishes will be respected should they desire to leave. Only in such cases where it is deemed that they are not of sound mind to refuse to consent to remain in the refugee camps (ie individuals who are completely insane, severely mentally handicapped so that they are unable to make decisions for themselves, etc), would they be denied the right to depart. Case by case.

Allanea, you do realize that Idaho is utterly land-locked?

There are plenty of small rivers that lead inland to Idaho. I think one goes by Spokane on the way into Idaho, and the Snake River goes straight into Twin Falls through Oregon.

http://www.alascon.com/idahomap.gif

Kahan, TG.

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Replied again.

Southeast Asia, HUGE TG.

Responded.

I think one goes by Spokane on the way into Idaho, and the Snake River goes straight into Twin Falls through Oregon.
Both of which happen to take you directly through Xirniumite-controlled East Torontia. Meaning that any possible chance of a single Allanean boat getting remotely near the Idahoan border is precisely zero.

I personally recommend that the Ashtonbury brigade take Kahanistan's recommended route, the Xirniumite Self-Defence Force has not been earning its keep lately.

1) I was not aware that Idaho connected with any large body of water, and any small bodys of water would surely be defended.

2) The raw materials to produce rifles capable of firing more than 100 rounds is more rare than tanks in Idaho.

3) Not sure what's going on at the Idaho National Laboratory, but wouldn't that be something McKagan would definately put forces at? Even though it would probably have been plundered immensely in the last few years. If people don't want to accept that McKagan wouldn't have had troops there, I'm okay with that - but anyone who doesn't believe that McKagan military intelligence wouldn't be watching this place closely is insane. I personally don't care which route we take.

You made no mention of Idaho falls even after it was revealed that a Mafia store was there.
Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11191113&postcount=47)
No one even paid any attention to the town even with that.

And Idaho labs for all purposes should be a complete ruin, any info you'd get from anyone in Idaho would say so, no one talks about it, everyone who knows better believe that it's abandoned.

The place is believed empty because, well fear, the Mercs played off the extremists beliefs and superstisions.

There are hundreds of rumors of Idaho labs, when the government collapsed they left the place trapped, that there is a nuke inside that will go off if someone enters, or that it's inhabited by a cannibal cult.

In some of the more extreme rumors, there are tales that there was a nuke that went off and the place is full of insane mutated humans. O

Even a ghost story saying that it was the site of a horrible battle between government forces and rebel groups, that left the place cursed and haunted.

Most of the surface buildings are in poor shape and the place looks just down right creepy. No lights shine from the place, and nothing had come in or out of the entrance in months. Not that anyone hangs around to check, those who do tend to wind up dismembered, appearing to be half eaten, or covered with pentagrams, to reinforce the whole 'Bad things lurk here' nonsense.

(I've worked hard on this)

A "mention?"

It was listed as the name of the location. No real details to catch anyones attention.

Since you've worked hard on it, I won't complain - but it would still be cool to have some McKagan DART's swing by sometime...