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As this is Earth II, there is no BAe, Airbus, or Tupolev, so I thought I'd ask this question; who owns the designs of the RL planes, such as F-14?
I for one, would like to claim ownership of the design of a few planes, most notably the Eurofighter Typhoon. Also, the planes listed in my storefront as well. (Note: I claim the design of the F-16XL, not the F-16, and the F-15 ACTIVE, not the F-15.) Any comments?

Ok all planes listed here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11186735#post11186735
Are Huahinian native designs, unless noted as imports. I can remember buying the Hawkeyes and Apaches from someone, either Lay or Cot, so they're marked as imports.

Lay already sells most or many important RL planes in his storefront, trying to claim a 'patent' on RL designs would cause more trouble than good. Telling newcomers they can't have any military equiptment because you 'own' the idea would suck and be rather unfair and would force people into creating poor or unrealistic copies of RL planes.

However keeping patents on individually designed equipment or ideas is a good idea. Visara already does so and has a list of some important discoveries available in its main thread.

I've picked rarer planes. And most of my claims can be backed up by the fact I've used them in RPs.

Real-Life designs cannot be "owned" or "patented" by any one nation at all and likewise, they can be built by anybody. Indigenous design, on the other hand, are a different story and belong to the maker unless they wish to sell production rights.

Telling newcomers they can't have any military equiptment because you 'own' the idea would suck and be rather unfair and would force people into creating poor or unrealistic copies of RL planes.

Well, they'd have to get the planes from somewhere, so they could either invent their own, or buy them. Small countries would be less able to produce self invented stuff due to costs, so it would be cheaper to import.

Lay sells the EF-2000 (believe the F-15 and 16 as well), I use the EF-2000, trying to claim they somehow originated in Huahin or that you came up with the idea is illogical. Let RL planes be available to all nations, even I'm not that greedy with my ideas.

Well there are many many many planes out there. As I said before, I claim ownership of the F-16XL and F-15ACTIVE, not of the F-15 and F-16. The Eurofighter Typhoon I have in service is quite different to the one in service with the RAF, as it has TVC and improved thrust in general, giving it a higher speed.

This is how I would state it, in an authoritarian way -

There are to be no claiming of Ownership of any REAL LIFE TECHNOLOGY. All REAL LIFE TECHNOLOGY is to be thought of as INDIGENOUS and AVAILABLE TO ALL TECHNOLOGY.

And it is fucking retarded, because what is a new nation who can't design planes to do? Rely on some fuck who can easily just end the agreement or say no to be able to build a fucking F-14?

This is ridiculous..

You can't claim ownership of RL designs. That's BS. You can't say, "No, I called dibs on those, you can't build them without paying me a fee."

I myself use some EF-2000's with thrust vectoring. You can't tell me that those planes were engineered in Huahin.

The only way you could claim that your nation engineered a certain RL design is if no one in Earth 2 had ever used that design, and never does.

For example, I think I may be the only E2 player to have used Tu-22M3 Backfires.

As this is Earth II, there is no BAe, Airbus, or Tupolev, so I thought I'd ask this question; who owns the designs of the RL planes, such as F-14?
I for one, would like to claim ownership of the design of a few planes, most notably the Eurofighter Typhoon. Also, the planes listed in my storefront as well. (Note: I claim the design of the F-16XL, not the F-16, and the F-15 ACTIVE, not the F-15.) Any comments?

Sorry to say this but you cant do that.

The only way you could claim that your nation engineered a certain RL design is if no one in Earth 2 had ever used that design, and never does.

Well that's what I had in mind really, because I had a lot of unique prototypes that never entered RL service that I wished to claim as my own designs, as I can't draw to save my life.
I just think it would make everything more interesting. Planes like F-14, Typhoon, Mig 29 etc, would be made by international companies, and anyone could buy. But when you think about it, when RL countries are formed (eg.Montenegro) they don't have the resources in their country to develop (usually) their own planes, nor the money to buy brand new ones, so they have to purchase cheap new ones, or second hand ones.

RL designs are considered to come from some imaginary place that makes them available to whoever wants them, subject to normal concerns about balance and not just randomly picking the best ones with no regard for design ethos.

You cannot claim sole production rights on any RL idea and enforce it, because doing so is simply ridiculous. All I have to do to make a nonsense of your claim is to say I'm building a million F-15 ACTIVE aircraft and selling them, and then you'll...What? Say I can't build them because you got the idea from Ace Combat / NASA first?

If there is no company that made them, they do not exist at all. You must either assume, as above, that they come from some mysterious multinational NPC that distributes the specs and schematics freely, or make your own original designs.

Thread locked. You can't do it because the designs aren't yours to claim ownership of, end of line.