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Specifically either the Guns of the South universe, or else based off of the Great War series. If the former, we go ahead to modern times, where we have a roughly PMT Confederacy and an MT everything else.

If the second? We again go ahead to modern times (mostly because I'm not great with WWII tech) where we have a severely weakened South still smoldering about their forced surrender, a Europe where things have reached an uneasy Cold Warish stalemate, and a bloody war against Japan raging in the Pacific.

Anyone interested? And if so, which one?

Okay. Official list. If you want to be a country not listed here, just ask.

Okay. So here are the main options for the Great War, and their circumstances.

USA- Still brutally holding down Canada, learned their lesson and continously inspecting the CSA, locked in war with Japan in the Pacific. They do have nuclear weapons. Socialist leader. Findan

CSA- Severely weakened by the USA following their defeat and the death of Jake Featherstone in the nuclear bombing of Richmond. Numerous high officials executed for role in the death camps. Currently undergoing elections.- Upper Weston
Germany- Still at war with Japan, at uneasy peace with France, Russia, and England. Includes Austria, Alsace-Loraine, most of Eastern Europe- Franberry

Britain- Uneasy peace with Germany and US. Building up their navy. Lead by a new Prime Minister who is walking a thin line between peace and war. May or may not have nuclear weapons.

France- Angry and remembering it's imperial days. Perhaps the most uneasy peace of all. May or may not have nuclear weapons

Russia- A mess, there are further communist risings. Not enough cash between keeping down the rebels, and, well... being Russia for nukes.

Japan- Imperial government, fighting in the Pacific, and financing rebellion in Canada. No word on nuclear programs

Korea- Japanese colony, territory, whatever. Kirisubu.

Canada- No large scale rebellion at the moment, but it is always simmering just below the surface. There continue to be bombings, etc.

Utah- See Russia, only replace commies with Mormons- let's hope they don't have nukes-Commonalitarianism

China- Rapidly, and alarmingly, industrializing itself. Only current communist state. Developing nuclear weapons- Richthoffen

Australia- Semi-autonomous British territory. Rumored to have Japanese forces basing out of it. The Aeson The Black Reich

Ottoman Empire- Has nuclear weaponry. Allied with Germany and US, contains most of the Middle East, which is not a mess. Go figure: Spiral Sun

I'd love to do Guns of the South

but in the actual time frame

MT vs PMT can be done at the drop of a hat here

What happens in Guns of the South cannot

You think? All right. So the premise is...

Lee's still president of the CS. The Confederacy is also gaining the support of England and France. Japan hasn't been opened up yet, but how long is that gonna last? Confederacy is leading in technology due to captured stuff from AWB, but the US is starting to catch up due to superior manufacturing powers. Europe is starting to accelerate, but not as quickly.

Japan was opened in the 1850's by Perry.

Japan was opened in the 1850's by Perry.

See, that's why I wanted to do MT.

You think? All right. So the premise is...

Lee's still president of the CS. The Confederacy is also gaining the support of England and France. Japan hasn't been opened up yet, but how long is that gonna last? Confederacy is leading in technology due to captured stuff from AWB, but the US is starting to catch up due to superior manufacturing powers. Europe is starting to accelerate, but not as quickly.
Oh, so its after the book?

cool

I'd think the Confederacy would have an even larger lead, because they captured more stuff

its says in the book that the USA is using primitve fast-firing rifles

Sure, they're leading in stuff they captured. But the US is starting to make repeating rifles based off of captured AK-47s, and they can make better rifles based off of them than the Confederacy can, although the Confederacy has more of the originals.

OOC: Personally, I would enjoy participating in an RP based on a Turtledovian world prior to the Second Mexican-American War or the Great War.

As for Guns of the South, the idea of implementing time travel in an RP seems too easy to abuse.

OOC: Personally, I would enjoy participating in an RP based on a Turtledovian world prior to the Second Mexican-American War or the Great War.

As for Guns of the South, the idea of implementing time travel in an RP seems too easy to abuse.
well, the time trave machine is destroyed

there is no more time travel because its set after the book

Yeah, but there's no further time travel. I'm limiting it to that what happened in the book. We'll say... hold on.

The events in Guns of the South led to time travel never being created. However, due to the peculiar nature of these time machines chroniton generators, no paradox was created. Just because.

So far three to one Franberry. Looks like the Great War after all.

So far three to one Franberry. Looks like the Great War after all.
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meh, ok

Fox and Empire and Tales of Videossos are far better than his alternate universe stuff. I also liked the World War In The Balance series as well.

I like the books with the "Lizards" much better than any of his others

I can be Germany or the USA

Franberry added as Germany.

Are we talking online or tabletop RP?

Not that it makes much difference for me. I'd go with the Great War setting, The Two Georges setting, or perhaps a Days of Infamy setting dependant on what happens with this storyline.

As for Guns of the South - meh!

Sorry - after reading a couple of the posts again I understand a little better what you're wanting to set up. I say Great War. Can I be China?

I still stand by what I wrote about Turtledove above though.

Online. If you check the first page, I've made a list of the avalible countries.

Been awhile since I've read these - is Mao around in China?

Been awhile since I've read these - is Mao around in China?

Not in the books. The books are still in WWII. But yeah, for purposes of this RP, Mao's around in China.

I'll RP as the CSA, but I need some more info on them, I haven't read the Turtledove books, but I know the general plot.

i've read the ones with the race but never got round to that series.

the communists must have taken over a lot earlier then. is Japan still holding Manchuko although?

I want to be the Mormons with Nukes. If the Mormons took over, there would probably also be Native American allies because they did ally with them several times. It could be very interesting.

@ Upper Weston, they're essentially the Nazis. The Jake Featherston that I mentioned was essentially Hitler. Just replace Jews with blacks. Added

@Kirisubo- Well, Turtledove never really brought up China in the series, so I kind of ad-libbed them because I wanted a communist power in this.

@ Well, you're going to have to RP the Mormons getting their hands on some nukes then. They really don't have the resources to get them themselves. I suppose Japan, if they got some of their own, might supply them, but they would have an interesting time getting them from the coast to Utah. Added

I'd have to look up some things, and come back after some sleep, but if you need a Japan I could certainly be interested. (I know nothing of the universe though so, if you want to bar me no hard feelings.)

I'd have to look up some things, and come back after some sleep, but if you need a Japan I could certainly be interested. (I know nothing of the universe though so, if you want to bar me no hard feelings.)

To sum it up in at most a couple of paragraphs...

Confederacy won at Antietam, leaving Lincoln without a victory to pair with his Emancipation Proclomation. As a result, Britain and France came to the Confederacy's aid. Two Americas now. Confederacy bought big bit of land from impoverished Mexico, giving it land from sea to shining sea. United States freaked out and declared war. Britain, France, Canada come to aid of CSA. US loses. Meanwhile, Lincoln leaves the Republican Party for the small Socialist Party, bringing most of the voter base with him. Republicans never the same. In return for aid against US, CSA emancipates.

Fast forward to WW1, henceforth the Great War, USA, Germany, Turkey vs. England, France, Russia, CSA, Japan. (Don't remember how they got involved, but shrug) Central Powers win. Great Depression, wheelbarrows full of cash for a loaf of bread in CSA. Enter Jake Featherstone, career blighted for whistle blowing on his superior's black servant, who was part of the Red rebellion. Hatred against blacks, reds, and aristocrats. Basically he's Hitler.

Blah blah buildup, blah blah Freedom Party (Nazis) Blacks put in concentration camps and exterminations begin. Progress (:rolleyes:) through shooting to death trucks to gas chambers. War against the US, with similar happening in Europe. Blitzkrieg attacks carry CSA all the way up to the Great Lakes, but US superior manufacturing power starts to come to bear. That's about where we leave off.

Can I create my own tanks, or barrels, or are there canon designs?

this certainly sounds interesting.

since theres no race to prompt the idea of 'explosive metal' bombs I'd assume that the ideas of nuclear fission came from Germany.

if its modern times which I'd prefer i'd take on one of Japans puppets (Korea, Thailand etc) since we already have a taker for Japan. the great war would be my preference for the basic setting.

I'll be America. Also is this going to be modern times? If so i'll be President Charlie Blackford Son of Joshua Blackford and grandson of Hosea Blackford and Flora Blackford.

As and add on:

If I'm the USAI can have the M1-Morrel Barrel instead of the M1-Abrams!

And the Halsey class carriers-G.

I'd assume the technology we have now is what the nations will have available. there'd be some flexibilty with names but it'll be the same stuff :)

I'd assume the technology we have now is what the nations will have available. there'd be some flexibilty with names but it'll be the same stuff :)

With a few exceptions. US, for example, would probably be not quite as advanced as it's cut off from both the CSA, and it doesn't have any German scientists to steal. Russia's a mess, they're not going to be making any major advances. You know, that sort of stuff.

Can I create my own tanks, or barrels, or are there canon designs?

Within reason, yeah, you can create your own barrels. Also, the other thing I really noticed is that it's not radio, it's wireless. Other than that, no major language differences that I picked up on.

Kirisubo, yeah, modern tech. See post above. You want Korea?

Upper Weston, within reason of course. ;)

I'm up for playing Korea.

I still assume they're a colony of the Japanese Empire in this RP.

I'm up for playing Korea.

I still assume they're a colony of the Japanese Empire in this RP.

Yep. STill one colony though. Not two.

I vote Great War! That series was great.

But i'll participate in anything.

Within reason, yeah, you can create your own barrels. Also, the other thing I really noticed is that it's not radio, it's wireless. Other than that, no major language differences that I picked up on.

Kirisubo, yeah, modern tech. See post above. You want Korea?

Upper Weston, within reason of course. ;)

I was thinking we were RPing in WWII era, and there were already barrel designs established.

I'm gonna make the assumption that the CSA is ahead of the US in terms of doctrine, since they obviously adopted mechanized warfare earlier, imilar to how German doctrine was superior throughour WWII. Or am I wrong?

If we're in present day, wouldn't the the US-Japan war be over?

If we're in present day, wouldn't the the US-Japan war be over?
Well considering what Japan did in the books, odds are resentment would run deep.

I don't know how the books handled the pacific war but a second pacific war is always a possibility.

You'll still have Imperial Japan with a pacific empire and still a threat to the USA as well as the long running resentment that a lot of people still have even today in RL towards the Japanese.

Can I start prohibition in Utah, I don't know if it ever started in this world. It would be a good opening for the Mormons to start the long dry spell.

Can I start prohibition in Utah, I don't know if it ever started in this world. It would be a good opening for the Mormons to start the long dry spell.

Well, there was prohibition, not that anyone played much more attention to it. And I don't think the Mormons drink anyways, but go for it.

Kirisubo, Upper Weston, well, I figured there's already been two Pacific wars, and neither of them ended decisively, and second, I'm going with the war having lasted longer, and between Europe finally reaching a tense peace and putting the CSA back in line, the US is only know starting to shift its full attention to Japan. Of course, considering last time, Japan bombed San Francisco and got away with it, this could even go either way.

So, will this be before or after World War Two? I'm assuming since you mentioned the United States Japan War that it would be before. Also, are we going to be choosing characters from either CSA or USA? Such as, if I wanted to be a Lieutenant Colonel in the Confederate States army, could i be?

Is my take on Confederate doctrine correct, or are things more equal now?

Also, I think this RP would play better in the 70s or 80s, since today's technology makes a protracted war much less likely. Plus it'd be cool to have Reagen and Carter face off.:cool:

Is my take on Confederate doctrine correct, or are things more equal now?

Also, I think this RP would play better in the 70s or 80s, since today's technology makes a protracted war much less likely. Plus it'd be cool to have Reagen and Carter face off.:cool:

Hmm. 70s it is. That also makes the continued Pacific war more belivable. Assuming that by doctrine you mean tactics, it's entirely possible that they're superior, but you're limited to the barrels that you can either bluff past or hide from weapons inspectors.

Hmm. 70s it is. That also makes the continued Pacific war more belivable. Assuming that by doctrine you mean tactics, it's entirely possible that they're superior, but you're limited to the barrels that you can either bluff past or hide from weapons inspectors.

Was the South completely defeated or merely forced into an unfavorable peace? I find it hard to believe the North could impose weapons inspections without a serious victory.

PS: This is Upper Weston, I just forgot to log this puppet out.

Could I play as a CSA army officer possibly? Like a Lieutenant Colonel?

Well, I had though of it more along the lines of the usual NS roleplay, where you control the country as a whole. If you want to work out something with Upper Weston, though, it is free form.

You cool with that Upper Weston?

bump for interest

I'm letting this country die, so I'm gonna RP the South with my other screen name, Hydac.

What are the exact results of the Confederate defeat? Am I under a Treaty of Versailles type agreement?

i've finished reading "the victorious opposition" and started the next book in the chain.

it was a good read and was certainly interesting :)

Basically the South lost and were forbidden to develop barrels (tanks) and armed aircraft but they rearmed under President Featherstones administration.

i've finished reading "the victorious opposition" and started the next book in the chain.

it was a good read and was certainly interesting :)

Basically the South lost and were forbidden to develop barrels (tanks) and armed aircraft but they rearmed under President Featherstones administration.


The next book is really good as well. I'm going to start Drive to the East soon, after I finish the Last Chancers and Horus Heresy series (in warhammer 40k)

Oh and Featherstones party, the Freedom party are basically Nazi's. WW2 started in this reality in 1941 with the CSA attacking the USA.

The other parties in the CSA are the Radical Liberals and the Whigs.

I've read all of that series that's out so far, and I'm waiting for The Grapple. Comes out this month, I think...

I've read all of that series that's out so far, and I'm waiting for The Grapple. Comes out this month, I think...


Not unless it's changed. It doesn't come out until August or September :(


Unless you were talking about Horus Heresy, which comes out in a couple days.

The Grapple?

By Harry Turtledove?

Comes out on the twenty-fifth?

Of July?

Linky. (http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/The_Grapple)

Another linky (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345457250/102-1406173-4219362?v=glance&n=283155)

Whee! Linkies are fun. (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/t/harry-turtledove/grapple.htm)

Like slinky, only without the s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settling_Accounts_(Harry_Turtledove))

The Grapple?

By Harry Turtledove?

Comes out on the twenty-fifth?

Of July?

Linky. (http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/The_Grapple)

Another linky (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345457250/102-1406173-4219362?v=glance&n=283155)

Whee! Linkies are fun. (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/t/harry-turtledove/grapple.htm)

Like slinky, only without the s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settling_Accounts_(Harry_Turtledove))



Ok, i see you mean the Turtledove one.

LOL for links.

So is the next Last Chancers book called The Grapple too? That could get confusing...

So is the next Last Chancers book called The Grapple too? That could get confusing...


No. Last Chancers last book is called Annihilation Squad (Though Gav Thorpe is supposedly writing another one), The second Horus Heresy book comes out in a couple days, and I was confused when you referred to the Grapple. I forgot the name of the next book in the Settling Accounts series.

Ah. So should I actually start this RP?

Oh, and somewhat on topic, and recommendations for good Alternate History? (Turtledove if there are any I don't list here, anyone else if there aren't)

I've read

The Two Georges
Guns of the South
The Great War Series (all of it out so far)
In the Presence of Mine Enemies
A Different Flesh
The first two of those books where Japan invades Hawaii instead of just bombing.

Hi all

Being an Aussie myself, I'd love to portray the Australian side of this, however, it seems someone else beat me to it... bugga! :p

However, if possible, I'd like to play a force of Australians disillusioned with the fascist style of governing, these folks want to cut their losses and get out of alliance with a group that constantly fails to produce results.

I'm seriously interested in doing this, so being able to would be great!

Also, why not do it around the Second great war period? It'd be more in line with the history of things, but meh, I'm sure that the CSA has developed some 'Super Hound' by now anyways.

What of the Ottoman Empire? Will that be in play during this RP?

Oh, also, forgot to add, if I can't do that, I'll accept playing as China... the rise of the Dragon in a world where the USA isn't anywhere near as super as the superpower it is today could have dire consequences... :mp5:

Make that Russia, didn't realise someone else had China... bugger again...

If no one does take the Turks, I'll take them.

What of the Ottoman Empire? Will that be in play during this RP?

Hmm... stupid Aeson. Forgot about them. Yeah, the Ottoman Empire is (as far as I know) allied with Germany and the US. I'll go add them now...

The Black Reich: Accepted as nonfascist Aussies.

Exactly what year is this set in? Also, is there a US player yet?

Hey, is anything happening here?

*Pokes*

Hydac: Just after WW2 (or the Second Great War), I believe, so we can deal with the Cold War in this universe. Yay Cold War!

TBR, yes, as a matter of fact, I shall start the thread as soon as I confirm there's still enough interest.

Good to hear, otherwise I'd have to go and be all sad :rolleyes:

Anyway, waiting with baited breath. Baited with cheese... mmm... cheese... (don't ask, I have no idea)

Oh, also, I need info regarding the status of the Dutch East Indies/Indonesia...

A) Is it still under Dutch control, if so, do they favour any group more?
B) Is it the independent country of Indonesia like it is today?
or C) Is it a Japanese colony now?

Much obliged.

am I still down for Germany?

Franberry, yes, you are.

TBR, I really don't remember any mention of them in the books, so it's a pretty good bet they're either under Dutch or Japanese control.

*Takes a seat, Patiently waiting*

Actually, Indochina and the Dutch East Indies do crop up during The Great War trilogy. It's mentioned in passing that Japan was basically the third side in the war and scooped up both French Indochina and the Dutch East Indies, with Versailles codifying the new status quo.

Actually, Indochina and the Dutch East Indies do crop up during The Great War trilogy. It's mentioned in passing that Japan was basically the third side in the war and scooped up both French Indochina and the Dutch East Indies, with Versailles codifying the new status quo.

Really? I missed that. Okay, so French Indochina and the Dutch East Indies are Japanese (how about Hong Kong?)

its also mentioned in 'Settling accounts : return engagement'.

Japan also hold the Philipines which they conquered in 1905 as well as holding Guam and Korea (Chosen).

Hong Kong and Singapore are still held by the British.

Thanks for the info, glad to see someone notices the small bits :p

Anywhoo, when's this party gonna get started?

Anyways, I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid I've lost interest in this. Black Reich, you can have all of Australia, and someone else can start the RP. Bye.

Okay then, I'll get the ball rolling soon, but I'll need interest...

More importantly, my time frame will be at around the same time as the book series, as I am a big fan of WW2-esque RP's.

Okay, as of my posting time being 2:13AM Aussie time (GMT+10), you'll have most of my day to figure it out.

Anyway, although Aeson is no longer interested, the RP will be going ahead!

p.s. I'm still doing the Aussies :D

If you are interested send a telegram my way.

I see you beat me to it Black Reich. I was gonna start it. Oh well, who is in control of the CSA?


If UpperWeston doesn't claim it once we start, I'll take it over. Otherwise, I'm Canada.

black reich can you provide a link for the thread?

Since Kirisubu has Korea, maybe we should just have him/her control the East Asian Greater Co Prosperity Sphere... Whatever it was. Have trouble remembering the order.

Also, am I to be splittting Greece with the unfilled Bulgaria?

I see you beat me to it Black Reich. I was gonna start it. Oh well, who is in control of the CSA?


If UpperWeston doesn't claim it once we start, I'll take it over. Otherwise, I'm Canada.

Upper Weston is my now defunct older nation, I'll be RPing the CSA as Hydac.

i'm think that a CSA in the 70's would still be under the same scrutiny that Saddam Husseins Iraq had after the gulf war.

they'd still have to carry the stigma of what the Freedom party did to the negroes during the war.

I'll be starting a Korean thread once I nail down a few pieces of information.

Hi all, just got back to home after being on a plane all night... yay...

Anyway, I will be starting the RP thread soon, otherwise Wanderjar, if you start one before me we'll go with that.

Upper Weston is my now defunct older nation, I'll be RPing the CSA as Hydac.


Ah, ok. Sorry man, I didn't know.

This RP is hereby Open! I'm setting up an IC thread now. Just gotta write me opening.

This RP is hereby Open! I'm setting up an IC thread now. Just gotta write me opening.
This idea is still alive then? Alright, I'm here, not sure how to get involved as Japan though...

i don't think that there'd be a continuous pacific war. its likely to be a cold war by now between Japan and the USA.

Japan would still be allied with ther British and the CSA and Emperor Hirohito still reigns over a military government.

in Korea i'm thinking about a terrorist campaign with possible help from the USA or others.

i've also included a little nugget about alternate Korea (the province of Chosen) as well as i would see it in the 70's in the main IC thread.

Is this the 70s or the 50s?

If we're in the 70s then I highly doubt the US will still be conducting major weapons inspections of the South, by then the Southern economy would be largely rebuilt and I suspect there could be something similar to the way Germany reformed itself after WWII. If it's in the 50s then it's a different story.

i'm pretty sure its the 70's we're playing.

therefore weapons inspections shouldn't be that regular. the same thing happened to the CSA after the Great War but the US got lax with its weapons inspections and the south rearmed in time.

you should also be able to hide your nukes as well.

ok, i'm interested in this but it's hard to keep track:

1) is it still alive?
2) what state is Britain in, and is it free for me to play as or
3) failing that how about New Zealand [crummy as it was/is in that era, historicaly, i don't know about harry turtledove's world]
4) some Links to the ic thread(s?) would be nice [or were they on the first page and i've just forgoten?

also: the World War and Colonization series are Great :) i never could get into the whole "CSA won the war" series, but the ones with the lizards are great fun. i read the first one where japan takes Hawaii too. that's pretty good.

ok, i'm interested in this but it's hard to keep track:

1) is it still alive?
2) what state is Britain in, and is it free for me to play as or
3) failing that how about New Zealand [crummy as it was/is in that era, historicaly, i don't know about harry turtledove's world]
4) some Links to the ic thread(s?) would be nice [or were they on the first page and i've just forgoten?

also: the World War and Colonization series are Great :) i never could get into the whole "CSA won the war" series, but the ones with the lizards are great fun. i read the first one where japan takes Hawaii too. that's pretty good.


Yeah, it's still alive. I started the IC thread a couple days ago. Go ahead and post away, though I reccommend you read a bit on Turtledove's CSA series. Basically, be familiar with whats going on in general, and you'll be fine.

Wikipedia has detailed information on this subject.

if you enter Timeline-191 as a search it'll tell you the full story.

that's helpful, but not as helpful as it could be. doesn't tell me a thing about what britain does and doesn't have.

i'm assumeing they've still got Ireland and it's a problem, but other than that?
what about India?
and did NZ ever become an independant nation? or did the japanse or autralians get it?

..... a map would be so helpful here *trys to find one*

i'll get to posting as soon as i find out what i actually have, or at least as closely as i'm going to.

Wikipedia has detailed information on this subject.

if you enter Timeline-191 as a search it'll tell you the full story.

That's where pretty much all of my info is coming from.

well, if that's the case, i'm pretty much free to make it up as i go then. this is both a good thing and a bad thing, i guess.
so, let me see if i have this straight: Britain currently controls all of Ireland, though it's rebelious, all of Britain...

what, if anything, in europe?

i'm guessing India and, mostly because i said so, New Zealand. the germans don't like 'em, i suppose, nor would the USA or scandinavia overly much.

hummm.. wonder how easy or hard it would be to set it up so the monarchy had more direct control again.... i Think they still lost it due to lack of use in this timeline...

anyway, sign me up as the British, and i'll .... post something. probibly tommorow when i'm back home and have no distractions.

ok, so it's not "tommorow" yet, but hey. i posted :)

err.. i'm not sure about that ship being entirely legit, but hey *shrugs* it's Possible with what they had.

anyone who can guess what project "howler" is gets... something special.

anyone who can guess what an LT5 is gets an e-cookie.

anyone who works out what project sidewinder is... well, as Shang would say "a Goddamn'ed mirrical, and no mistake" as i have only the vaguest incling.

So, Japan has Korea and Manchuria and Taiwan if I'm not mistaken? And the U.S. took back Hawaii, but are almost certainly still pissed at us (Japan) right then. Oh and apparently I'm supplying the Irish... for some reason. :p

Angermanland, Prince Charles could well be King by now (Charles III) if you wanted it. Otherwise it'll still be Queen Elizabeth II. The Prime minister would be Labour's Harold Wilson or the Conseratives Edward Heath assuming we're starting in 1970.

I'm also guessing that GB isn't part if the european community since the German Empire would most likely block their entry. Its fair to say they may have lost Gibraltar by now as well but that depends on the Spanish.

regarding Ireland in general. it was still under british control during the alternate WW2.

well, ireland gives them problems now in this time line... *shrugs*

actualy, apparantly Prince Charles was [is?] all for being crowend "king Arther" as it's one of his names :)

never said japan was supplying the irish. said the irish were aquireing japanese gear. there might be a third or fourth party involved :) or then again, there might not. never know.

so i'm guessing i should make Charles king.. but he would be Arther [or however you spell it].. heh. my Charles is vaguely... sinister, it seems. not evil. but sinister *laughs*

to be honest, i expected objection to the "eviseration" class.... and am plesantly surprsied not to get it.

i'm assumeing britain didn't lose india in this time line, all things considered, but in ours it did, so i'm not so sure.

OOC: Just a head's up, Britain already lost Ireland. Though I think the North got dragged out of the Empire kicking and screaming.

ooc: well, they've had a few years in between, so let's just assume they retook it or something, yes? i Could edit that post a bit if it's a significant issue, but i got the impression that they lost it, then got it back in either the great war or the war of 194X? if they lost it again, then let's just say they got annoyed about this and took it again. or... something.

note: this is also in the ic thread. sorry 'bout that. i can take it out if it's a problem.

Hey all, sorry about my noted absence, bit of personal issues came up. Grrr...

Anywhoo, I'm still in it, just havn't had the time for it yet.

Where's a link to the IC?

Cheers :D

Hey all, sorry about my noted absence, bit of personal issues came up. Grrr...

Anywhoo, I'm still in it, just havn't had the time for it yet.

Where's a link to the IC?

Cheers :D
The link is http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491060 and I'll post something IC tonight, things came up...

so many places for the Eviseration class ships to begin operations... counteracting the insanity in australia? defending Hong Kong? perhaps a beach head for the liberation of Canada from USA rule?

so many possiblitys.

incidently... i know we have access to jet aircraft at this point... how fast can they [reasonably] go?

so many places for the Eviseration class ships to begin operations... counteracting the insanity in australia? defending Hong Kong? perhaps a beach head for the liberation of Canada from USA rule?

so many possiblitys.

incidently... i know we have access to jet aircraft at this point... how fast can they [reasonably] go?

Mach 2. By that time, they were using F-4 Phantoms

Mach 2. By that time, they were using F-4 Phantoms

briliant. hehehehhehehe. methinks shooting down howlers that have begun their bombing runs is a stupid idea now, as one of them failing to pull up out of a powered dive would result in a bigger boom than the bombs they carry. hehehe.

then again, i think that was half the point in dive bombers right from the start.

though it does leave me wondering about tech level in other areas :S i find myself really not knowing enough about post ww2 military tech, beyond that infantry can Still take out just about anything, given the right equipment and doctrin.

yes, that does mean the howler is a Mach capable dive bomber. and yes, i Know it's nuts :P

Well, seeing as it's set in the 70's. Tech is roughly that of Vietnam... i.e. the first helicopter gunships, the first truly effective guided munitions (TOW, Paveway I, Walleye etc in real life) and the slow development of modern combined services warfare such as that seen in the Gulf War...

Then again, we've seen the use of suicide bombing in WW2 in the books, so who knows what tactics or weapons work in this world...

Oh, and why would Britain attack its own commonwealth member? Us Aussies are just doing what our boss over the ocean tells us *stares pointedly at the UK* :p

Oh, and I don't know about what sort of air defence we're playing with, but if those mach-capable dive bombers want to be effective they're gonna have to start high... which is where a lot of 70's era SAM's worked best...

Good luck to your pilots mate ;) They'll need it! :eek:

you have a point. those planes are ment to be nutty. what remains to be seen is how effective they are. and yeah, they do start high. as high as possible. their engine's still gotta keep goin while they dive in order for them to be able to pull out again, after all.

i seem to remember something about the british not being keen on slavery, even in this timeline, after the american civil war. for all that they may like, or simply put up with, Facists, i don't see their attitude towards such behaviour changeing that much.

though this leads to an interesting thought. Australia in this time line still has a Govener General, or so you seem to imply? .... i wonder if this allows me to manipulate the australian government to get rid of the Facists. hehe.

so yeah, if you're just "doing what you're told" perhaps i could tell you to do something different, no?

i figured that the techlevel was about vietnam era. just wasn't sure what that constituted beyond shockingly poor american tactics and stratigy.

as for the japanese... i'd like to know how they heard something said in a privet, official, conversation between the King and the Primeminister.

just a case of me not putting "sic" tags? or a case of there being bugs in the palace? [and how did they get there, i'd love to know?]

at any rate, the "Irish Plan" is an interesting one. only the monarch and the primeminister are ment to know the entirity of what's going on there.

what kind of timescale are we playing with, btw? i said it'd be a couple of months before the Sidewinder project was ready, i think? ... how long untill i get to post about it?

with reguards to Hong Kong.... well, me still haveing it wasn't my idea. i just went with it.

So want a freaken map. would make things much easier.

i belive i was looking at the relivant wikipidia thing somewhere along the way. found zip all about what britain did and didn't have. if you could give me a nice and shiney direct link to the relivant information, it'd be brilliant.

note: i truely forget who which bit of this is for. reply to the relevant ones :)

you know.. it would have been great if i'd found this page Before i started *glares at the artical where it tells everyon that no, Ireland is not mine anymore*

woo! i do get to keep India.

oh makerals.

sometimes, wiki is a real pain for actually finding what you're looking for *le sigh* ok, apparantly, somewhere between the second great war and the current RP, Britain retook hongkong, somehow, and some of the other islands down that way too, probibly...

and invaded Ireland. it's possible that the whole "reble" and "independance" thing is them beliveing their own propaganda, but it's easyer if they actually took it and the Irish are revolting.

ahh well, a lot can happen in 20 something years.

... i'm justifying direct control over NZ on the basis of "we never granted them indipendance in the first place" ... unless someone finds an objection to That, of course.

edit: obviously, i'm going to have to go read the books ... i never could quite get into that series, for some reason. anyway... care to tell me what the deal is with "Iron Australia" or whatever?

as for the japanese... i'd like to know how they heard something said in a privet, official, conversation between the King and the Primeminister.

just a case of me not putting "sic" tags? or a case of there being bugs in the palace? [and how did they get there, i'd love to know?]

at any rate, the "Irish Plan" is an interesting one. only the monarch and the primeminister are ment to know the entirity of what's going on there.

Well military movements are going to attract suspicion, rumors inevitably spring up, and those rumors combined with their experiance with the crown and their own colonies lead them to a conclusion. They know nothing of the details mind you, the assasination of the rebels or any of that.

Well military movements are going to attract suspicion, rumors inevitably spring up, and those rumors combined with their experiance with the crown and their own colonies lead them to a conclusion. They know nothing of the details mind you, the assasination of the rebels or any of that.


ahh. fair enough. i was wondering. though i don't think i said anything about specific troop movements yet. oh well. one assumes there would be some.

thanks :)

ahh. fair enough. i was wondering. though i don't think i said anything about specific troop movements yet. oh well. one assumes there would be some.

thanks :)
Even I recognize that it was border-y. I was tired at the time. They won't even help when the assasination occurs, they'll assume it's just infighting.

I'm gonna have to back out of this RP, I'm just too bust with RL stuff to give it the attention necessary. The CSA is up for grabs now.

well, that's not cool....

oh well. hope you get un-busy soon :)

i can change to the CSA and keep Hydac's seat warm for him.

we also need someone to take on the USA otherwise we can't have a pacific cold war.

i think we seem to be lacking in players...

and there was some interestingness shapeing up there between Japan and Britain too.

its safe to say most of the action will take place in the pacific for now :)

yeah, mostly...

'cept for a little weirdness in Ireland. hehe.

but seriously, of the people we've got doing things...

practicly no one posts.

perhaps the "one nation/area of influence/major campagne, one thread" thing might help... or it might make it worse.

certainly people actually DOING things would be good...

i've an idea.

if there were the seeds of a rebellion in Korea that would give Japan something to worry about close to home that would kick start things in the pacfic.

it would probally be a short lived rebellion given Japan's dominance of the region but it would make things interesting all the same :)

that it might. might do some Very interesting things.

might even give me an excuse to try out that nice new ship...

now all we need is a ship to drop of some explosives and guns and the revolution can commence.

i'm assuming that theres agents that Korean revolutionaries can contact to make the arrangements.

now all we need is a ship to drop of some explosives and guns and the revolution can commence.

i'm assuming that theres agents that Korean revolutionaries can contact to make the arrangements.

fairs fair and turn abouts... try the Governer General in New Zealand [if they have one in this time line.] if you want the brits to do it :D

imperial cold war! woo!

Is anyone playing the US? I'm Canada and noone responded to my attacks....

Is anyone playing the US? I'm Canada and noone responded to my attacks....


what attacks? [hasn't seen them]

and, so far as i know, we have a Britain, a Japan, a Korea, and... that's it active.. well, and apparantly you as the canadians. [which is part of the USA at this point, no?] and i can't garanteee any activity but the brits, IC.

what attacks? [hasn't seen them]

and, so far as i know, we have a Britain, a Japan, a Korea, and... that's it active.. well, and apparantly you as the canadians. [which is part of the USA at this point, no?] and i can't garanteee any activity but the brits, IC.

The first post mate! I started the thread with an attack on a US checkpoint.

The first post mate! I started the thread with an attack on a US checkpoint.

ahh. THOSE attacks. hehe. i wasn't really paying attention to the bits that didn't affect me, which would explaine it. i probilby should have said "which" rather than "what", of course.

of course, those nice resistance chappys arn't going to really get anywhere untill they actually get to a major city... probbibly Wellington if it's the capital in this time line [which it probibly is due to lack of mention to the contrary]

it's a reasonably significant harbour, but weather conditions make it a bit hazardous to get in and out of sometimes, even just accross to the south island. in other words: try it in good weather :P

but yeah, i can't really respond untill you get there, especially if the ship's made the run heaps of times. i'll probibly have a frigate or something stop you and search your ship before you land, but that'll be almost on top of the harbour so the harbour's [built since the war :P] Gun enplacements can help out if the ship turns out to be something other than what it claims to be.

NZ has become somewhat important tot he empire froma strategic point of view in this variant of this timeline :D as a result, it's got a lot of interestingness going on.

the plan is for the KLF leaders to jump ship at port and then try and make the deal however long it takes.

Holy crap... other people that read Turtledove? I've been wondering where the hell you've all been hiding.

I've been resorting to using prominent names from the books, like Good old Skorzeny or Bela 'Dracula' Szabo. I even named one of my subs the Bonefish... had a very pissed off Sergeant named Featherston stirring up trouble a while back. Killed him off as a ran out of ideas, though.

we still need a USA and CSA it you're interested.

Occupied Canada, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ and Britain are taken so far.

we're using the 191 timeline where the south won the civil war as the basis for this. WW2 has been and gone with the USA nuking Richmond.

the plan is for the KLF leaders to jump ship at port and then try and make the deal however long it takes.

that'll work. heh. i'm makeing so much of this up as i go along :S

and yeah, more people would be good. pick a nation, The Crim, and feel free to jump in. we have... one IC thread for everything. further up this thread somewhere is a link... or at least an indication of who started it so you can find it.

we still need a USA and CSA it you're interested.

Occupied Canada, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ and Britain are taken so far.

we're using the 191 timeline where the south won the civil war as the basis for this. WW2 has been and gone with the USA nuking Richmond.
191 is my favorite, just ahead of the Tosev Timeline.(I would kill to see Turtledove throw us for a loop and have the Race land on Featherston's doorstep. hehehe)

But... I'm afraid I've not had much luck RPing nations based on actual nations(or in this case based on ficticious nations based on actual nations). Good luck to you though.