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ok, this RP idea is set to start on Jan 1, 1895 and will go on as long as anyone wishes to continue it.

IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11182077#post11182077)

list of existing nations(see below) though it may have some inaccuracies/missing nations in it. so we will have to start with a little work...and just come and claim a nation for starters


Africa:
Ashanti Confederacy
Burundi
Liberia
Zanzibar
Abyssinia
Morocco
Transvaal(Lachenburg) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11175500#post11175500)

Asia:
Afghanistan
China(Hevena)
Japan
Korea(Harroland)
Siam
Arabia
Persia
Hawaii

Europe:
Ottoman Empire
Austria-Hungary(Waldenburg 2) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11178700#post11178700)
Belgium
Bulgaria
Serbia
Montenegro
Romania
Greece
Denmark
France
Germany(Wanderjar) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11175762#post11175762)
Italy(Eriburn) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488210)
Luxembourg
Moresnet
Netherlands
Portugal
Andorra
Monaco
San Marino
Switzerland
Russia(The Royal Code) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488339)
Spain(Nebarri Prime) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11172144#post11172144)
Sweden-Norway
United Kingdom(Cheese_chips89)

N. America:
United States(No Taxes) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11172382#post11172382)
Mexico
Canada
Costa Rica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Nicaragua

S. America:
Brazil(Paraus) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488934)
Argentina(Franberry) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488383)
Bolivia
Chile(Mercosis) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487978)
Ecuador
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay
Venezuela
Columbia

Cuban Rebels(Austraxia) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11200015#post11200015)

OOC: I'll RP Russia.

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France, please.

I'll take Chile, cos I know stuff about it

I'll RP the USA, please.

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we should put together some fact books. then we also need to figure out a date system

Yeah, I'll start working on a US factbook.

Ok, this is going to be one of my first PT RP's and i've never had to do a factbook before. Could somebody give me a link to a good one i could use as an example? Tnx.

Could I have Germany?

Ok, this is going to be one of my first PT RP's and i've never had to do a factbook before. Could somebody give me a link to a good one i could use as an example? Tnx.
There's a lot of different ways you could go with it, so I'll provide links to a couple of factbooks.

Here are some basic factbooks from a 1872 RP(first posts only):

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10736328&posted=1#post10736328

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10740781&posted=1#post10740781

Here's some more from an 1850s RP:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Vini_Vedi_Vici/index.php?showtopic=404

(one about Russia) http://z14.invisionfree.com/Vini_Vedi_Vici/index.php?showtopic=354

(There are probably better factbooks out there, but these are good rough guides)

Basically you just want to have info about government, demographics, military and sometimes history.

Could I have Germany?

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Can I take Canada?

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Italy please.

added as canada Oh wow, thank you. I was scared I would be too late.

I'll try this out. Sounds cool. I'll take the UK.

How exactly is this going to work? Is it going to be something like NS?

Italy and UK added


Darmanien, look at this thread. it should give you a general idea

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481452

fairly good turn out so far :) lets see if we can get more


what do you all thinks of a 1 day = 1 month time line(save during war?)

That sounds good, during war maybe it could be 1 day RL=1 week time line.

do you guys mind if I take Korea?

Does the factbook have to be true?

It should probably be as realistic and true as you can make it, given the infor available about your country in 1895, unless this is an alternate history thread.

do you guys mind if I take Korea?

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The blessed Chris: as true as you can make it. if you need help i can do some stuff

Since everybodies dropped out of 1872 Rp could I possibly sign up as Austro Hungary. And it might take me about 3 days to get the factbook up I'll be busy.

added and three days for a FB is ok

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Spanish Factbook for now

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11172144#post11172144

what's all this about?

what's all this about?

READ THE OP!:rolleyes:

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The blessed Chris: as true as you can make it. if you need help i can do some stuff

Actually, Nebarri, that would be diamond mate.

Despite my post count, this my first indepth RP, so I could do with a hand.

Here's the US Factbook:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11172382#post11172382

OOC: If you could place me down for the Republic of Transvaal, that would be greatly appriceated.

Where do I post my factbook?

Where do I post my factbook?

make a new thread in II and post the link here...


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i don't know where you get your data but from what i have found your navy is a bit off
a few things about your navy...

3 Battleships to my info saying 4
5 Armored Cruisers to my 1
8 Protected Cruisers to my none
3 Light/Scout Cruisers to my 18
2 Submarines to my none(most navies have none)
10 Destroyers to my none(first US destroyer is listed as the USS Bainbridge(finished in 1901)
23 Torpedo Boats to my 2(though i guess Torpedo Boats don't get a lot of tracking so i would say mine is probably wrong here)
and last my info also adds 11 Wood/old Iron Frigates
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Holy Johnny: read the starting post. if you still don't get it. come back with a more defined question

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The blessed Chris, no problem. i shall get some info for you to put into a factbook

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Lachenburg, added

Chile fact book here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487978

ok, btw fact book links are attached to the nation in question listed in the first post

I forgot that I'm going away next week, so I'm going to drop out. Otherwise I'd be a burden on the RP for a week.

ok, if we don't have a new Italy by then your welcome back

OOC: ZAR Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11175500#post11175500)

Has Argentina been claimed?

Cuz Ill take it if its free

Sorry I haven't done a D/N thread yet, i've been away for awhile. I'll set one up a a few minutes. Is there an IC thread yet?

Has Argentina been claimed?

Cuz Ill take it if its free

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Wanderjar, no IC thread yet

No Taxes

i don't know where you get your data but from what i have found your navy is a bit off
a few things about your navy...

3 Battleships to my info saying 4
5 Armored Cruisers to my 1
8 Protected Cruisers to my none
3 Light/Scout Cruisers to my 18
2 Submarines to my none(most navies have none)
10 Destroyers to my none(first US destroyer is listed as the USS Bainbridge(finished in 1901)
23 Torpedo Boats to my 2(though i guess Torpedo Boats don't get a lot of tracking so i would say mine is probably wrong here)
and last my info also adds 11 Wood/old Iron Frigates


Yeah, the battleships I was unsure about as I really didn't find a great source, but I found 2 armored cruisers and still 8 protected cruisers according to wikipedia. I looked again and found 15 light cruisers and 1 submarine. You are right about the destroyers and I'll reduce my torpedo boat numbers to 15, since I'm not sure. I didn't count the Frigates, but I'll add them in.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11175762#post11175762


Heres the link to my factbook thread. It isn't done yet, but i'm getting there.

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Can I be Ottoman Empire?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11178700#post11178700 Austro Hungarian factbook.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488092

French fact book

n.b. This may be updated

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11178700#post11178700 Austro Hungarian factbook.

Germany decided in 1890 not to renew the 1887 Reinsurance Treaty with Russia, despite Russian requests to renew it. this is after the League of thee Emperors. however the Dual Alliance between Germany and Austria-Hungary was created by treaty in 1879.

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The blessed Chris, the alliance is formed in 1894, not 1904...

and you can add the Lebel M1886 rifle as the French firearm
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LA Ice added as Ottomans

sorry your right I keep thinking it's still 1877 from my last Rp, I will change it directly.

sorry your right I keep thinking it's still 1877 from my last Rp, I will change it directly.

hmmm, the triple alliance was formed in 1882, so your also allied with Italy

OOC: When do you plan on starting IC activity, Nebarri? It has become rather boring in these past days just to view other factbooks.

OOC: When do you plan on starting IC activity, Nebarri? It has become rather boring in these past days just to view other factbooks.

care to start it yourself? i currently don't have the time but you can start it up now if you wish

care to start it yourself? i currently don't have the time but you can start it up now if you wish

OOC: Alright then. Expect an IC Thread to be set up soon.

IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11182077#post11182077)

bump, i'll make an IC post when i can

I'll be Italy

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Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488339) to Russia's factbook.

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488339) to Russia's factbook.

just a few things about it....

1. your population is fairly accurate but is listed as 67,473,000 c1897, based on recorded population grouth it should probably be 65 million or so

2. your navy is massivly oversized for Russia as i know it, or for Russia as i know it ever.

3. The current ruler is Nicholas II rather then your listed Nicholas I. Nicholas II came to power in 1894, it is currently 1895.

4. i have no record of the Treaty of Sevestopol, or even a Sevestopol, there is however a Sevastopol. though i have no record of that treaty(however does sound oddly familier)

5. Romania is independent, not under Russian control.
6. Bulgaria is autonomous but not fully independent from the Ottoman Empire
7. Albania still belongs to the Ottoman Empire.
8. Bosnia belongs to Austria-Hungary.
9. Crete i think belongs to the Ottoman Empire.
10. The Duchy of Macedonia does not exist, though it may be considered Montenegro, who is indepnedent.
11. Constantinople is the capital of the Ottoman Empire.

10-4, ruler is updated.

The Navy is accurate, that much i'm fairly certian. This is Russian naval 'technology', when you're that big, you can afford to commission and crew ships fast, for cheap.

Nations such as England have similar sized navies. The US at the time has a huge influx of shps (post civil-war buildup)/.

I have a book on russian history, the population data is accurate.

The Navy is accurate, that much i'm fairly certian. This is Russian naval 'technology', when you're that big, you can afford to build a ton of crap ships.

so the Navy is just a pile of crap ships then? say something similer to 1920 ships in a 1945 navil battle type stuff or something...

the US navy at this time is fairly small, more like German, Italian, or Spanish sized

Britain and France have two large and modern navies for this time. i assume Russia just has a large one, but not modern

My (Ottoman) fact book is up, but still is being improved

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488225

My (Ottoman) fact book is up, but still is being improved

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488225

while my data is scetchy i think the Ottomans had a standing army of about 120K and enough trained reserves to bring it up to 300K in no time should a war start.

the navy, so far as i can tell. is this

14 Battleships(most from 1860s, or early 1870s. only 1 true "modern" one from 1885)
1 Coastal Defense Ship
3 Light Cruisers
2 Destroyers
7 Torpedo Boats

OOC Royal is right about his navy, although quite a large part of it is sunk when Russia goes to war with Japan in 1905(?) Although a new Russian battleship hasn't been added in awhile so perhaps the battleships aren't modern, at least to Japan's navy.

I have finished my factbook
I hope it meets all the requirements

here it is: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488383

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i think the battle in question was may of 1905. and ok, just have little data for the fleet(and i thought they did a large amount of building up from 1895 to 1905

I'll be Cuba.

I'll be Cuba.

the Cuban rebelion forces that may or may not start a rebelion?

the Cuban rebelion forces that may or may not start a rebelion?

That will start a rebelion.

That will start a rebelion.

Jose Marti does have to get to Cuba to do that...but i guess it would get to a rebelion one way or another

EDIT: so i guess thats a yes

OOC Royal is right about his navy, although quite a large part of it is sunk when Russia goes to war with Japan in 1905(?) Although a new Russian battleship hasn't been added in awhile so perhaps the battleships aren't modern, at least to Japan's navy.

Exactly. Russia's ships are good, but not that good. I wouldnt go as far as to say 'crap', but quite inferior to say, a british capital ship-of-the-line.
Side note- post civil war US, there is a huge influx of the merchant fleet. During this period, the fleet experiecnes some of its largest numbers of all time. I expect the military fleet to have a similar effect, though i cannot support any statistics at this time.

Exactly. Russia's ships are good, but not that good. I wouldnt go as far as to say 'crap', but quite inferior to say, a british capital ship-of-the-line.
Side note- post civil war US, there is a huge influx of the merchant fleet. During this period, the fleet experiecnes some of its largest numbers of all time. I expect the military fleet to have a similar effect, though i cannot support any statistics at this time.

the fleet listed by No Taxes is largely new and accurate. the US didn't build up its navy much till after the Spanish-American war(when it became someting of a world power

OOC I spent nearly an hour last night looking around for info on the Russian navy. It is that big, but some of the Battleships are broadside Ironclads and probably shouldn't count as battleships. Most of those Ironclads are in the Baltic Russia has the fourth most largest navy at this time though and can produce battle ships quickly and easily so Russia should be able to outnumber France by 1900.

i think the French ships will be better however, even if out gunned

Cuba's Factbook -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11200015#post11200015

As I said in the factbook, info is hard to come by just after their independece. If anyone else can find some more sources of info please post some links here so I can edit the factbook.

Cuba's Factbook -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11200015#post11200015

As I said in the factbook, info is hard to come by just after their independece. If anyone else can find some more sources of info please post some links here so I can edit the factbook.
whats the point of playing a nation that must adhere to whatever Spain says? Unless you're revolucionaries or something

and when they become "independent" they're really not, the're a puppet of the USA.

whats the point of playing a nation that must adhere to whatever Spain says? Unless you're revolucionaries or something

and when they become "independent" they're really not, the're a puppet of the USA.

he may yet not win the Rebelion in this, and i may avoid the Spanish-American war(or at least fight it more competently)


President: Tomás Estrada Palma(should probably say Jose Marti atm)
Government Type: Constitution-based Federal Republic(probably shouldn't have government type listed this way yet either)
Capital: Havana

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Sry about the hijack but...

Russian battleships were hardly 'ironclads'

http://www.wtj.com/games/battlefleet_1900/ships_ru.htm

that's what i found about their navy.

i would like to point out that on your navy list you do have your ships titled "Battleship" and a seperate catagory titled "Steam Battleship"

this leads me to think that much of your fleet is made up of sail driven Ironclads


the listed ships on that sight are of the new classes for Russia. most other lists of the Russian navy will show the majority of battleships in there fleet to be old(by 1895, the majority from the 1860s), and of poor quality(poor quality still goes on into some of the listed ships)

OOC I spent nearly an hour last night looking around for info on the Russian navy. It is that big, but some of the Battleships are broadside Ironclads and probably shouldn't count as battleships. Most of those Ironclads are in the Baltic Russia has the fourth most largest navy at this time though and can produce battle ships quickly and easily so Russia should be able to outnumber France by 1900.

who is is where on that list?

1. = Britain
2. = France?
3. = ?
4. = Russia

Can I take Brazil?

Another thing: I need information on the Brazilian military of that time, particularly regarding the number of troops and ships, in order to write the factbook. I've already tried their Armed Forces' websites, but I couldn't find anything useful. Are there any other sites you would recommend?

who is is where on that list?

1. = Britain
2. = France?
3. = ?
4. = Russia


Possibly Germany?

I'm not sure however.

Germany didn't start to have a major navy until 1900+ when they completed a great deal of new ships and began closeing the distance between there navy and Britains


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Paraus, Brazil is yours. i can help a little with some of the navy, and Brazil probably maches up fairly well with Argentina in army size(though i will check it out)

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i just got a TG from the player who was going to be Britain. he has dropped out now so Britain is open

who is is where on that list?

1. = Britain
2. = France?
3. = ?
4. = Russia

As of 1900 the US will be. So I doubt they're counting total tonnage and going more for ships numbers. I don't know much of American naval history but it's a large border to protect and they'd need patrol ships, but that's just a guess.

I'll be taking China. *rubs hands together*

Time to begin the modernization, in hand with conservatism..

As of 1900 the US will be. So I doubt they're counting total tonnage and going more for ships numbers. I don't know much of American naval history but it's a large border to protect and they'd need patrol ships, but that's just a guess.


Before World War One, the US Navy was mediocre at best. Obviously they had to step it up afterwards to defeat Germany, who really stepped up their naval power in the 1880s-90s. Before then, their (Germany's) navy was pathetic, almost non-existant, but after the Unification, they built it up in the hopes of competing with England and France.

I'll be taking China. *rubs hands together*

Time to begin the modernization, in hand with conservatism..

added as China, don't forget to make a factbook

Brazilian factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488934

i think your forgeting the Brazilan Battleships Sete de Setembro, Riachuelo, and Aquidaban...

I won't count the ships scrapped in 1895, such as the Sete de Setembro. Riachuelo and Aquidaban are on my list. I found the information on this site: http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/brazilian_navy.htm. If you know a better site, please let me know.

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It was good to know how time works. This means it is May (IC), and that my conscripts will have completed their basic training tomorrow(RL).

can someone help me with my navy?

What do you need?

nvm, I found figures

I will be away for a week tho! so no attaking me or w/e!

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i'll take the UK

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OOC: at this time i ask if anyone has a problem with me running Serbia for the war until the time the war ends or until someone selects Serbia to RP

At last, we will have the UK here.

that should be on the IC thread...

oops, aw crap. Sorry, -deleted and moved-

I have both threads in my favorites one after the other, just clicked on the wrong one =P

ok, i have seen nothing of the French RPer. sense he/she last updated his/here factbook, so i have come to think that he/she does not wish to RP so, unless they come and post soon, or someone knows otherwise i plan to open the two nations.

the Ottoman RPer has sense stated that he cannot RP so the Ottomans are now open

Too bad, we're missing some bloody major powers here.

Since this is the first time I am RPing, I've got an important question: I am free to do things differently from what happened in history as long as these actions are feasible, right? I mean, history was the same as real life until January 1st, 1895, and from that point on we are free to create. I'm asking this because I've made a crucial change in the course of action taken by the Brazilian rich and powerful which will present this world a different Brazil.

yeah, history is the same until Jan 1, 1895. then make up new stuff as long as these actions are feasible

I am going to be away for the next month and I will be on very little. Sorry. If someone wants to play Cuba thats okay.

i would like it if someone would RP Cuba, at least for the Independence talks

i would like it if someone would RP Cuba, at least for the Independence talks
I would, but I'd probably be somewhat biased.

I can do it, if you like.

I can do it, if you like.

works for me, just start the post next chance you get

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i think i shall remove France now

Done. Cuba's terms are already there.

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