NationStates Jolt Archive

I think our current time in life has sort of changed the PT, MT, and PMT boundaries.

What I mean, that is, that anything from WWII and behind *or even just WWI and behind* would be Considered 'PT'.

So, for stuff like before the 1400s just simply be...AT? ( Ancient Tech ).

Or, even better, 900 - 1400 be DT? ( Dark Age Tech ).

And then 800 and before be...oh...AT? Or, maybe, RT ( Rome Tech ) and then before the rise of the Roman Empire make it all AT?

Just some...suggestions, somewhat in question form.

Also, what many have defined as PMT two years ago is now...wel...MT. So, what IS PMT now? I would imagine up to 2015, but essentially we have all the gear we have invented but have planned to use in such a year. And the mind works of Nationstates invent tech used in MT that is perhaps equal to things considered PMT.

It is just a...mess, really. The whole Classification of 'Tech' eras. Maybe we could get a more devised official list sat up, or something?

EDIT - Changed thread title

The dark ages are actually about 476-1000 AD, then it turns into the middle ages. Before that is Rome. After Middle Ages (1400) is the Rennaissance, and age of Imperialism.

I agree, especially with all of the people who play MT whos entire air force are made up of F-22s and things like this. Unrealistic. I would fully support a definition of the different Tech levels

F-22s are modern technology, and are, therefore, MT.

I agree, especially with all of the people who play MT whos entire air force are made up of F-22s and things like this. Unrealistic. I would fully support a definition of the different Tech levels
F-22's are MT, and a poor choice for an airforce anyways

F-22's are MT, and a poor choice for an airforce anyways
Explain, please?

Explain, please?
First of all, you could argue that some Russian planes are better (lets not get into that, as it would jack this thread)

Second of all, you can make your own plane. The ones I've designed would shoot F-22's out of the air extremly easily.

RL tech cannot stand up to NS tech. (due to the fact that NS goverments seem to have a lot more money to pour into these pointless programs)

Well that's sort of the point I was getting at, sure the F-22 does exist. But it's not really used, and when people are fielding, in your case, planes that are far better then it, well, that seems to sort of stray more into the realm of PMT. Just my opinion though

Well that's sort of the point I was getting at, sure the F-22 does exist. But it's not really used, and when people are fielding, in your case, planes that are far better then it, well, that seems to sort of stray more into the realm of PMT. Just my opinion though
nto really, its still MT, (by my defenition)

theres way too many varied types and defenitons

these things should be standardised

Ah, screw it, it's called Free Form for a reason. Let people RP what they want, there's no real reason to make up a bunch of labels.

Just to insert the major tech that the OP missed...

There are different levels of FT, as well. For example, should Battlestar Galactica FT be a seperate tech level from Star Trek/Wars?

Just to insert the major tech that the OP missed...

There are different levels of FT, as well. For example, should Battlestar Galactica FT be a seperate tech level from Star Trek/Wars?

I agree ... Galactica still uses nuclear energy while ST uses Matter/ Antimatter

So where would ships like these fit in? I think they are cool looking.

http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/KormanthorA/battleship_yamato_upgrade.jpg


http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/Kormanthor2/GunStar5.jpg


In my opinion there should be another tech level between PMT & FT for these type ships.

PMT is usally anything from 2007 up until right before Faster-than light technology. An intermediate catergory betwen MT and PMT is Modern +1 which can use MT plus anything that is being researched IRL. Modern +1 seems to be what most people use even though they innacurately describe it as MT

Near Future tech is really a fancy name for PMT.

Past tech is anything from yesterday to a million years ago!

hmm...

AT ancient tech can encompass everything prior to mass utilization of Gun Powder. Different places were Not in Dark Ages during the fall of the Western European Subcontinent. Look only to East Rome...Bazyntine, the Caliphate, India, SE Asia, and Chine. Still ancient tech would need to be further refined into sub categories.

MT would be from say the first world war until the next world war.
It could be divided roughly into WWI, WWII, Cold War, NOW, and Near Now Tech eras...until the Next World War. When will that be and what the hell am I talking about? <Shrug>

PMT would be the fuzzy transition between Now, Near Now 2025 'round about, and FT Space Tech levels... like in Anime and TV

FT is so far out there that it too needs to be broken down into epochs and Civilization levels. After PMT there needs to be a Singularity Event... A time of changes that will boost civs to higher tech levels.

AT ancient tech--just about everything muscle bound until
GE Gunpowder Era--Victorian and Age of Imperialism

MT Modern Tech-- fuzzy from WWI to Now to WWIII

PMT Post Modern Tech Not yet fully space aliens, starships, etc... still in Sol system or closer stars.

NFT near Future Tech fuzzy transition from PMT into FT
new classification that will case more trouble! :rolleyes:
Star Gate Terraii fit right about here or in PMT or MT depending. I put them here because they have starships and the stargate but really arent outside Sol other than a few outposts like Beta Site.

FT-- big mess of trouble :D Star destroyers, Borg invasions, etc...

PFT- Post Future Tech-- Yup Post-- Transcends Physical limitations. Still technically FT but a bit past the "normal" star empires. LOL. This is what I'm aiming for.
I personally like the confusion... it helps fuzzy things along nicely. I like having my nation jump all around the tech Epochs. It is interesting to be shooting bows an arrows and throwing rocks in one thread only to be dropping kinetic bolloids onto enemy planets.

Actually an air force full of F-22 Raptors is a poor one because it has no bombers, AWACS, cargo, tanker, attack, or light fighters along with other stuff. You need all those to have a successful air force and an F-22 at best could serve as a heavy fighter and light bomber.

And if properly RPed, an F-22 Raptor could actually take down NS fighters, though, it won't be as easy as a NS fighter but it is very, very possible to win wars with F-22 Raptors and older generation aircrafts. It all comes down to RPing skill, to be honest.

Something else I wonder about is the fact that folks can't seem to except that maybe a future tech race could invade a modern tech earth. I mean they make movies about it all the time Independance Day is a good example of that. That was a very moving movie to me because suddenly we weren't
fighting each other anymore. Instead we had a common " alien " foe to deal with that forced us to work together to survive.

All of the tech levels can have huge variation. An FT race that just started intersteller travel is very different from one that can easily travel to another galaxy. An Iron-Age culture would make mincemeat out of a Stone-Age one. Even MT can range from a country more powerful than the RL USA to a 3rd world country with 50 year old weapons.

I have yet to see conclusive evidence about how an F-22 is inferior to MT-styled NS fighters; their capabilities often seem to be the same, with the F-22 being a dedicated fighter while alot seem to be fighter bombers.

What I hate about the tech level system is that people are almost forced into having a vast wide knowledge about all forms of technology relavant to the tech, I just don't have that and I know some other people who suffer from the same problem, it really bugs me cos not knowing what to use in the military has mean that my armies have always been below the par of the tech in order not to be labbled a godmodder.

Also, what many have defined as PMT two years ago is now...wel...MT.
That's because they defined it incorrectly.

That's because they defined it incorrectly.

That will continue to be a problem as long as we don't recognize that time
marches on.

All of the tech levels can have huge variation. An FT race that just started intersteller travel is very different from one that can easily travel to another galaxy. An Iron-Age culture would make mincemeat out of a Stone-Age one. Even MT can range from a country more powerful than the RL USA to a 3rd world country with 50 year old weapons.

Very True

That will continue to be a problem as long as we don't recognize that time
marches on.
Time doesn't move as quickly as NS tech has. The problem with the original definition was that it only covered things that countries like the US could make, even though relative to NS nations, the US is only a small country with a medium-high economy. There are lots of things possible in RL but that dont happen because there isnt enough money there, or the political will to do it.

Well that's sort of the point I was getting at, sure the F-22 does exist. But it's not really used, and when people are fielding, in your case, planes that are far better then it, well, that seems to sort of stray more into the realm of PMT. Just my opinion though
Actually, as the F/A-22 uses technology from the 1980s or thereabouts, it is perfectly possible to make far superior planes using technology that exists today. For instance, one could potentially build far faster planes using turbofan-ramjet hybrids or SABREs; far stealthier planes relying more on fiberglass, RAM, and synthetic plastics; far more manoeuverable ones using multi-position wings; and so on. The F/A-22 isn't a standard against which other NMT planes should be judged.

I would say MT would go no further than 2012. MT is pretty much what we have now and what is on the drawing board but still feasible.

PMT would definitely be 2012 or more (obviously) and would be better defined as what is on the drawing board but just not feasible yet.

FT would be somewhere later, I don't know much about FT.

I don't agree. Take something like a superdreadnought. A superdreadnought will never be on the drawing board in RL, but it's still possible and, with enough money, still feasible.

The sheer time it takes to build a SD makes it PMT plus they're lame. Feasible/drawing board mean the same thing.

The sheer time it takes to build a SD makes it PMT
Except that NS doesn't work like the real world, or we'd have to replace our governments every 4 days and all our characters would die in between RPs, and after about a month every MT nation would be PMT.
plus they're lame.
:rolleyes:
Feasible/drawing board mean the same thing.
No they don't.

The sheer time it takes to build a SD makes it PMT plus they're lame. Feasible/drawing board mean the same thing.

Yay, another player dissatisfied because 'zomg missile spam + post ww2 arecraft > all' thoughts haven't worked and never will.

Besides, feasible and drawing board are different. Something is not feasible because of its scientic impossibility (eg, IFV with nuclear engine) and something is not on the drawing board because of its political/economic impossibility (eg superdreadnoughts)

Don't try to define MT or PMT or FT, it's freeform, just say 'No, I'm not happy with RPing with those because they're not in my timeline.'

There's no chance that anyone will ever agree on a standardised definition of the tech levels. None. Someone may limit "MT" to anything about 2015. Others may push to 2025. Some may even consider "MT" what exists now.

As for FT, there are so many flavours of FT that I can foresee people arguing that their star drives are more ub3r than the warp drive, etc. etc. that there can't be one standard for FT. The same holds true of nearly any other level. PMT? NFT? Now we're getting confusing.

The sheer time it takes to build a SD makes it PMT plus they're lame.
You're kidding me, right? You're actually using "they're lame" as an argument against SDs? :rolleyes:

Since when does a build time affect something technology level?

Im not entirely sure what "2015" or "2025" actually means in real terms anyway, as we have no way of knowing what will be around at an arbitary point in the future...

I have always taken my basis for Modern Technology as anything that would be feasible by the year 2020 in the real world. This makes sense because there are many current United States government projects that have progressed far, and are planned to be in production in 2020, such as the FFW2020 battlesuit. Then you can improve slightly on projects like it, saying that your country has more economic capability, and so can do it. We dont quite have the economic or political limitations of real nations, so we can do a significant amount more. but beyond 2020 I fail to understand how technology works.

You're kidding me, right? You're actually using "they're lame" as an argument against SDs? :rolleyes:

Yep. I've tried every other logical reason but they've all been ignored by this and that so I'm just going back to the simple approach.

Yep. I've tried every other logical reason but they've all been ignored by this and that so I'm just going back to the simple approach.
That's a pathetic argument.

That's a pathetic argument.

Well every good argument was matched with pathetic responses so why not match that.