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The Southern Confederacy, a South American republic, ecompasses the southernmost areas of Latin America. From the waterfalls of Iguazú, to Tierra del Fuego, to the northenmost reaches of the Atacama desert, to the plains of the Pampas, the Confederacy spreads socialisim around the land.

Banding together in the 80's, the Confederacy has always enjoyed relative econmic succes and, after re-building the devastated Argentine military, a reasonably good military.


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[OOC: The Southern Confederacy is the present day, RL, Argentina (minus BA and the area north of it), Chile and Paraguay]

General Information of the Southern Confederacy

Official Name: The Southern Confederacy of Democratic Republics
Short Forms: The Southern Confederacy, The Confederacy
Capital: La Plata
Population: 68,732,292 (last census)
Official Languages: Spanish



coming soon

Goverment of the Socialist Confederacy

The Goverment is a Republic, headed by the large Socialist Party. The President of the Nation, Supreme Commander of the Military, Marshall of the Order of the People, Estasnislago Erando, is the highest authority in the land. Below him are the Presidents of the Provinces, Guillermo Vastilla, Santiago Olarno, and Alejandro Gúarez, Of Argentina, Chile and Paraguay, respectively.

The capital of the nation is at La Plata, and the capitals of the Provinces of Argentina, Chile and Paraguay are: Mendoza, Santiago, and Asuncíon, respectively.

The Major Political Parties are:
The Socialist Party (59% of the popular vote)
The Liberal Party (27%)
The Radical Party (10%)
Others (4%)

Economy of the Southern Confederacy

The quasi-command-economy is quite strong. The goverment controls most of the largest corporations, while still leaving ample room for foreign trade and investment.

Agricultural Products: Cattle (one of the largest producers on earth), grain, tobacco, vegetables and fruits, grapes, fruits, berries, fish

Energy Production: Led by hydropower, backed by oil and natural gas. Nuclear Energy is emerging and might become of of the leading energy producers. The current 8 plants have produced favorable results, and expansion shall come soon

Industries: Natural gas, oil, petroleum products, hydroelectricity, gold, copper, rare earth metals, textiles, food processing, chemicals and fertilizers, cement, metallurgy, machinery and machine tools.

Major Exports: Cattle, natural gas, textiles, tobacco, fruits and vegetables, earth minerals and metals,


Possesing only modest reseves, the nation is working to eleminate dependence on oil, and large ethanol production areas have been established in the north.

Military of the Southern Confederacy

Regular manpower: 345,000

Branches (and manpower assigned):
The Army of the Southern Confederacy (250,000)
The Air Force of the Southern Confederacy (65,000)
The Navy of the Southern Confederacy (35,000)

Resrvists: 1,511,000

Branches (and manpower assigned):
The Army of the Southern Confederacy (956,000)
The Air Force of the Southern Confederacy (332,000)
The Navy of the Southern Confederacy (223,000)

The Military of the Southern Confederacy has always been a very well founded, all-regular force. Ever since the formation of the Confederacy and the abolishment of conscription, emphasis was put on quality over quantity.

After the formation of the Confederacy, there was a lot of varied equipment, but this was phased out in favor of uniformity. Early excersises and analysis produced logistic nightmares, and a large program of uniformity was launched. Massive amounts of weaponry were sold or put in sotck, and large numbers of newer weaponry were purchased.

All the branches have modernized recently. The Army and Air Force field ever larger arsenals of home-produced, state of the art weaponry. The Navy fields older craft, but these are formed around the carrier force, wich operates the newest in naval air-power.


Equipment of the Army
(OOC: WIP)

Small Arms

-5.7x28mm FN Five-Seven Automatic Pistol
-5.7x28mm FN P90 Personal Weapon

-5.56x45mm FN FNC Assault Rifle
-5.56x45mm FN FNC Para Carbine
-7.62x51mm FN FAL Battle Rifle

-7.62x51mm FN 30-11 Sniper Rifle

-7.62x51mm FN FAL 50.42 Squad Automatic Weapon
-5.56x45mm FN Minimi Squad Automatic Weapon
-5.56x45mm FN Minimi Para Squad Automatic Weapon
-7.62x51mm FN MAG General-Purpose Machinegun

-6 rounds-40mm Milkor Multishot Granade Launcher
-AT-4 rocket launcher


Artillery
-1000x 30mm Anti-Aircraft Artillery Pieces (qaud barrels)
-700x 40mm Anti-Aircraft Artillery Pieces (quad barrels)
-300x 60mm Anti-Aircraft Artillery Pieces (double barrels)
-1,750x Surface-to-Air Missiles Systems

-7,500x Towed Mortars
-1,500x Towed Artillery Guns
-220x Self-Propelled Guns
-200x Self-Propelled Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems

-1,000x Anti-Tank Guns
-4,500x Crew-Served Anti-Tank Weapons

Armoured Vehicles
-300x TPz Fuchs APC (upgraded)
-1,712x M113 APC (all variations)
-625x Marder IVF (all variations) (upgraded, 25mm guns)
-175x AMX 10 RC Light Tanks
-200x M-95 Degman MBT
-350x EE-T1 Osório MBT
-200x TMC-07 Carpincho


Equipment of the Air Force

-50x (out of 100 ordered)J-12S Multirole Aircraft

-174x GF-1C Eurofighter Multirole Aircraft

-200x IA 58 Pucará Ground attack aircraft
-15x Mirage 50 ENAER Pantera Ground Attack Aircraft
-30x Mirage V Ground Attack Aircraft
-36x A-4AR Fightinghawk

-20x GB-1C Stinger Heavy Strategic Bomber

-2x Boeing 707 Reconissance aircraft
-8x Learjet 35 A Reconissance aircraft
-3x IA 50 Reconissance aircraft
-10x GF-1C Reconissance aircraft

-2x Mirage IIIB Training Aircraft
-50x Pampa IA-63 Training Aircraft
-42x MS-760 Paris Training Aircraft
-20x Mentor B-45 Training Aircraft

-2x Ge-1C Commander AWACS
-5x IA-70 Director AWACS (bases off the Boeing 707)


Many transport aircraft


Equipment of the Navy


-Aircraft Carriers: 2
Andes-Class: 2 (The Andes is in service, and the Pampas is not, as there are not enough aircraft)

-Destroyers (DDG): 10
Almirante Brown-class (MEKO 360): 8
County-class: 2


-Frigates (FFG): 25
Type 23-class:3
Almirante Williams (ex- HMS Sheffield)-class: 1
Espora-class (MEKO 140): 12
Drummond-class (D'Estienne d'Orves class): 3
Leander-class:2
L-class:2
M-class:2

-Submarines: 3
Scorpene class submarine:: 1
Type 209 submarines: 2

-Large Patrol Vessels: 2
NAC Murature-class:2

-Large Supply ship (AOR):1
NAC Patagonia (B-1) class: 1

-Amphibious Command Ship (LCC):1
NAC Hércules-class:1

-Amphibious Assault Vessel (LKA):3
NAC Bahía San Blas (B-4) class: 3

-Icebreakers(AGOS):1
NAC lmirante Irizar (Q-5) class: 1

WORK IN PROGRESS

Other

Nuclear Weaponry:
The Southern Confederacy can build nuclear weaponry, but they do not have a single weapon in their arsenal.

Missile Systems:
The Confederacy also has in its possesion the Condor I and Condor II missile systems, each with a range of 900km and 1,500km, with the capability to carry a warhead of up to 450kg and 550kg, respectively. Almost none are in service, most being with research units.

The Alacran missile program was scrapped in the early 90's, it had a range of 1,750km and could carry a warhead of up to 600kg.

There are rumors about work on the Condor III missile, specifications on this missile are unclear.

The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, struggling to maintain a useful measure of neutrality in the world, particularly between socialist and capitalist worlds (despite an obvious bias towards the former), regards the Southern Confederacy with some interest.

Considering the defence industry its number one economic resource (ahead of tourism, recently hit by war), Yugoslavia is lately attempting to increase its diplomatic and economic ties with the Southern Confederacy. The SFRY's defence industry has so far enjoyed some success in supplying African customers with equipment that is only just behind the cutting edge and substantially below the cost of top Western European, Russian, North American, and Asian systems.

Noting such things as the Confederacy's use of a squad automatic weapon that is arguably a step ahead of its individual rifles, Belgrade's diplomats will be taking any oportunity to mention Yugoslavia's 5.56x45mm assault rifles such as the Zastava M80/M80A (http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/images/yugo.gif), Galil-alike APS-95 (http://www.wapahani.com/APS95.jpg), and M21S (http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/images/vojni/m21/15.jpg).

Other systems, from the Eryx-like Bumbar anti-tank guided missile and the 2m3J Super-Sava man-portable surface-to-air missile to the FAP trucksm Munja engineering vehicles, Plamen-S rocket artillery, and M-84 battletanks are also shown-off in domestic arms fairs and taken to any that may be happening around the Confederacy. So too are promotional videos showing J-23 Super Orao attack jets, L-20 Putin fighters, G4M Super Galeb trainer/attackers in action over Austria, and displays featuring Kotor Class frigates, Heroj Class submarines, and so much other equipment.

President Larionko 'Lav' Aidarov has lately begun to cite the Southern Confederacy in speeches talking about the certainty of global victory against such evils as the Holy League while trying to convince Slavs at home and in Austria of the wisdom in fighting.

(OOC: Sorry if that's a bit aggressive for a first post here, Yugoslavia's just really keen to keep its unusual economy (featuring worker self management et cetera) growing at a high rate as we face war with the HL. Welcome to AMW, anyway!.)

Hello! As you may -or maybe not- know Austria is ultra-capitalist and would love to include The Southern Confederacy into the select nations which Stille Incorporated, The Gizatte Company, and Austrian Motor Works operate in. Some minor points that should be adressed-

1.) Immunity to silly anti-trust laws.

2.) Diplomatic Immunity.

3.) Aid, military and monetary.

4.) Increasing diplomatic talks about The Holy League, and European involvement in South America.

5.) Bases for operations, a little pieace of rock off the coast is enough for us.

6.) Did I mention monetary aid?

Just pick one up and go with it.

(OOC: Thanks for the welcome. Are you neutral? because I don't want to get involved in a big war any time soon, if you're not, disregard my order. What are the L-20 and J-23?)

The President had been very impressed by the Yugoslav display. If anything, these weapons could serve as a way to add modern weapons without involving himself in the coming war. The Confederacy was ready to make a small purchase now, probably of MBT's. But the President was nervous to make a move before intel made sure that Yugoslavia was neutral. The army would be the first to make a purchase if everything was clear, some 150 M-84's would considerably up the fighting power of the armoured divisions.

OOC:Yugoslavia is officially neutral but is currently fighting Austri for reasons of its own.

Now Strathdonia on the other hand is most definatly not neutral being a loyal (if somewhat useless) ally of Walmington/GB.

IC:
Any nation that isn't part of the HL whose military might even be considering window shopping likely receives the usual solicitations from a couple of Strathdonian companies offering a wide range of services, from Blantyre Avaition Disposal Services (BADS) offering remanufactured former chinese fighter aircraft, Robertson Arms offering just about any configuration of the FAL and FALO you could imagine, Hendersons Heavy Industries offering all sorts of wild and outlandish tank upgrades and Goliath Heron Industries (GHI)offering thier K101 Regional jetliner (currently the biggest selling Non Boeing jetliner).

Yugoslavia attempted to form a treaty on non-alignement, and got considerable interest from several African states and the Indian National Union, but conflict in the world (mostly started by the Holy League) put talks on hold as some nations were compelled to pick sides. Belgrade still proclaims neutrality, but is often seen as biased: President Aidarov is a sworn enemy of the Russian Tsar and the French King, after they invaded his homeland, Lavrageria (Belarus).

Still, Yugoslavia does have active policies to support its neutrality: while we're clearly opposed to the Holy League, we also have declared that Soviet-aligned and NATO-aligned nations may not deploy forces on our territory.

That means that we ourselves may get into disputes, but we hope to assure everyone that they are individual confrontations and that the Balkans will not become a strategic position in a world war between power blocs.

However, Austria is attempting to join the Holy League, and if HL forces attack our territory we will be forced to allow capitalist and communist forces to enter.

Still, from the Confederacy's point of view, we are only likely to be in conflict with the feudalists, so association with us won't stop you having relations with either capitalist or socialist blocs, in respect of whom we do maintain neutrality.

The L-20 is Yugoslavia's newest fighter aircraft. During development it was known as Novi Avion and Yu-Supersonik, and on completion it was named Putin for the last 'legitimate' (in Belgrade's eyes) Russian leader, who was killed by Tsar Wingert. Information and images can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10488861&postcount=9). It has been called at various times in its development a cheap-Gripen and a mini-Rafale.

J-23 is a development of J-22 Orao (http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fj22.aspx), which pre-Yugoslav Bosnia developed in concert with Ceauşescu's Romania. The J-23 Super Orao attack-fighter basically incorporates a radar to enhance its combat capabilities, and a slightly more modern powerplant. Previously the aircraft had to be guided by ground-based radar. The new J-23 can deploy Yugoslav munitions including LVB-250 laser-guided bombs, Grom-B TV guided and anti-radiation air-to-surface missiles, and Komarac-A advanced short-range air-to-air missiles.

M-84 family tanks are available in a number of forms.

The baseline M-84A (http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/M84/M84.jpg) is quite inexpensive (several hundred percent less than a French Leclerc, British Challenger 2, German Leopard 2, Quinntonian Abrams et cetera), has roughly 600mm-equivalent armour, a 125mm auto-loading gun, and though it hasn't cutting-edge systems it does incorporate a limited fire-control computer and has a reasonably powerful 1,000hp engine. The YPA likes to think that it at least has a small edge over a standard T-72.

The M-95 Degman (http://www.ddsv.hr/pictures/Degman_03_v.jpg) adds Explosive Reactive Armour to enhance protection against HEAT weapons, and is offered with a new 1,200hp powerpack to improve mobility. It also has reliable Slovenian fire control, laser range-finder, and possibly the best thermal imaging system available anywhere, enabling effective night firing. M-95 has laser warning receivers, and launches smoke grenades to disrupt laser designation threats. Other enhancements include improved turret drives and transmission, and optional rubber track pads. M-95 is still cheaper than modern western tanks.

Made-to-order derivatives of the M-84 family can also be delivered, taking some possible enhancements and leaving others out, or working-in new changes ordered by the customer.

Meanwhile, Yugoslavia is going to be keen to import raw materials from the Confederacy, especially to support the growing war industry.

The M-95 Degman (http://www.ddsv.hr/pictures/Degman_03_v.jpg) adds Explosive Reactive Armour to enhance protection against HEAT weapons, and is offered with a new 1,200hp powerpack to improve mobility. It also has reliable Slovenian fire control, laser range-finder, and possibly the best thermal imaging system available anywhere, enabling effective night firing. M-95 has laser warning receivers, and launches smoke grenades to disrupt laser designation threats. Other enhancements include improved turret drives and transmission, and optional rubber track pads. M-95 is still cheaper than modern western tanks.

Meanwhile, Yugoslavia is going to be keen to import raw materials from the Confederacy, especially to support the growing war industry.

The army has been impressed by the M-95 Degman and sees it as a good way to boost the strength of the weak armoured divisions. The army shall purchase 200 M-95's. The payment shall be made as soon as the units depart for Confederate soil.

As for the raw materials, a deal can be worked out. Also, bear in mind that the Confederacy has the industry to refine these raw materials into almost anything you want.

In light of growing difficulties in the Austrian war, Belgrade is seriously considering putting significant economic responsibility in foreign nations. Temporarily, it may buy refined metals rather than base ores from the African National Pact and the Southern Confederacy in order to free some industrial workers for specific war production or military service. Anything that can be done to assure Aidarov that the Confederacy isn't about to surprise everyone by aligning itself with the Holy League will help this process.

The SFRY has decided to dispatch five ready M-95 battle tanks for the Southern Confederacy, along with a few officers and technicians to help familiarise the South Americans with their new tanks. War demands mean that many M-95s are being sent north to fight the Austrians, but Lav has promised that while enemy forces remain off Yugoslav soil, export will continue at a low-rate even during the war.

The Yugoslavs have decided to ship the vehicles the long way, across the Indian and Pacific oceans to Chile, because of fears over French piracy, which has sunk several civilian vessels in recent months and years, and because of the situation in the Strait of Gibraltar.

For now, exports will continue at a rate of just a few tanks per month, rising gradually with war production unless interrupted by enemy action.

We are content with the long shipping route, as we do not want our tanks being lost somewere in the ocean. Your experts shall be readily welcome, and training shall start as soon as the first tank is disembarked and prepped for front-line use. Payment for each unit shall be made as soon as each unit departs Yugoslavia.

We would also like to reassure our Yugoslav friends that we wish to remain neutral for now, as we do not want to be involved in any major war. You may trust us with your metals, and they shall be delivered as long as the trade deal is maintained.

Hello! As you may -or maybe not- know Austria is ultra-capitalist and would love to include The Southern Confederacy into the select nations which Stille Incorporated, The Gizatte Company, and Austrian Motor Works operate in. Some minor points that should be adressed-

1.) Immunity to silly anti-trust laws.

2.) Diplomatic Immunity.

3.) Aid, military and monetary.

4.) Increasing diplomatic talks about The Holy League, and European involvement in South America.

5.) Bases for operations, a little pieace of rock off the coast is enough for us.

6.) Did I mention monetary aid?

Just pick one up and go with it.

The Confederacy is sad to inform you that we cannot accept your companies and your country investing in our land. You are clearly aligned with one of the major sides, and the demands that you make for establishing your companies are completely unacceptable. In the near future, the option of trade with you is very unlikely.

The Confederate goverment, through its defense company, Fabricas Militares, has adquired the defense company Engesa. Engesa was close to bankrupcy and was therefore easily bought out, the first project that they will undertake is to start manufacturing EE-T1 Osórios (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Osorio2.jpg) for the Army.

Engesa, now a subdivision of Fabricas Militares, will also produce Explosive Reactive Armour kits for the aging fleet of M-60's, which will still see service in the near future despite the purchase of M-95 Degmans from Yugoslavia, and the production that will be started on the Osorios. 20 Osorios that have already been produced have now entered service.
EE-T1 Osório on transport vehicle, being deliverd to the 7th Armoured (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Osorio.jpg)

The Confederacy is sad to inform you that we cannot accept your companies and your country investing in our land. You are clearly aligned with one of the major sides, and the demands that you make for establishing your companies are completely unacceptable. In the near future, the option of trade with you is very unlikely.

We understand how we may have come on a little strong, we tend to do that i we see a potential market. For right now would you be interested in buying some Dpkz I's?

Understanding that in South American jungles most heavier tanks would be bonged down in swamps, bogs, and the general watery/jungle climate the Dpkz I would be the perfect model.

It's barrel length is 80 milimeters (with other designs including a 120 milimeter -which is used in the Austrian military- and 100 milimeter length), has 9 megajoules of kinetic energy firing LKE, MP, and KE amunition (developed in 1987) which has been modified for the shorter gun and to reduce weight to be 60 mm instead of the usual 120 mm. The ammunition will have to be supplied by Kruass-Maffei Wegmann for even with our finacial backing it is still technically their patent.

We are sorry to inform the Austrian goverment that we have no need for such a vehicle. We already have modded tanks that can fight in these enviroments, and we seen no threat coming from the jungles. He therefore have no need for such vehicle

Saddend by your stance Austria still would be eager to buy some of your exports, namely ethanol, in large sums for about as long as Austria lives.

We know how you feel about being involved in European affairs and understand your need for neither side -in a primitive kind of way- and hastily assure you that any dealings with Austria or any of her colonies will and should not be considered throwing your support either way.

OOC: Do you have kind of stock exchange? Because I would offer to show your stocks on the FAI -Federacy of Austria Index- but I wouldn't know if you had your own, which would open a lot of more doors for RPing.

OOC: Stocks? I assume you mean like the stock market, im not very fammiliar with all that stuff

IC:

While we do indeed not want to muddle in Europe, we are more than happy to let Austria buy some of our natural resources. If any of theses resources need to be refined or turned into something else, it is probable that we have the capibility to do it, so you just have to ask, although it will be more expensive. We want to maintain good relations with Austria, but we do not wish to take sides in the European conflcit that is brewing.

Recent developments in the Confederacy:

Space Port:

The construction of a launching center on the northenmost regions of the country has commenced. The Confederacy has plans for satelites already drawn up. The contruction of these will be conducted at the same time as the launching center, this will allow for immidiate launching.


Weapons development:

Rumors are that a fighter plane is in plannification, and it is not known for how long there has been work on this project. The same goes for aircraft carriers, and it is safe to assume that those will be sped up if the purchases of carriers does not go through.


New equipment:

The army now has in it's possesion 100 EE-11 Osorios.
The navy is still undergoing expansion, 20 frigates have been bought, but there has only been a small international reaction to the other comissions
The air force will be the last to be updated, and this will commence as soon as the navy program finishes.

OOC: Stocks? I assume you mean like the stock market, im not very fammiliar with all that stuff

IC:

While we do indeed not want to muddle in Europe, we are more than happy to let Austria buy some of our natural resources. If any of theses resources need to be refined or turned into something else, it is probable that we have the capibility to do it, so you just have to ask, although it will be more expensive. We want to maintain good relations with Austria, but we do not wish to take sides in the European conflcit that is brewing.

Ironically the comapnies that list the stocks actually do have their own stocks and those stocks of The Federacy Index of Austria would get a considerable boost if many South American comapnies with high dividends, a solid base, and good profits was added. A good marketing caimpaign could come out of it to, "Join the FIA and have anything from France to South America". A way for your companies to globalize and on for me to get more prestiege for the FIA.

For raw materials, 1,000,000,000 gallons of raw ethanol per-month would be prescribed for the build of strategic reserves and to shift most of our economy's fuel to you (Russia is looking less and less good to us). That would be paid for with 40,000,000,000 Silvarian Marks, with real silver in them continue to curb inflation at the sametime increase in value, or around 40 SMs a barrel.

Rubber may be needed also, for startes how about 1,000,000 pounds per month of raw rubber for 9,000,000 million SMs, about 9 per pound?

Sound good?

OOC: Are there other stock centers in the game?

IC:
The Southern Confederacy would be most pleased to attend to you economical needs. While as of now, we cannot meet your full needs, we can sure help. The Confederacy has a massive output of Ethanol, in the large production centers in the northen areas of the country. The Confederacy can export 750,000,000 gallons of raw ethanol per month to Austria. If this goes smoothly, then in the future it may be expanded to its full order. We can also ship the required amount of rubber. The Confederacy wishes that trade will continue.

La Nacion

Mendoza
by: Estebano Cornelio


The Military has annouced today the introduction of TMC-07 Carpincho to the armed forces. The TMC-07 Carpincho is the newest product from Fábricas Militares Confederadas (FMC). The Carpincho is meant to keep the Southern Confederacy up to date with the other major powers. It will not be available for export.

Tests against the M-95 Degman and EE-11 Osorio have shown the tank to be superior in almost all aspects, although the Osorio and Degman are barely faster, and also cheaper. The great armor of the Carpincho showed its true potential during testing, and the new Cactus 5 armor resisted multiple hits before being knocked out.

The TMC-07 Carpincho will bring modernity to the Confederate armies, as it can fight on equal (or more) terms with the MBT’s of other nations. It shall bring glory to the Confederation

50 will enter service with the first batch, and more shall come later.

OOC
Not to be a pain, but since AMW is based on RL nations... how do you have a space program? Argentina, Chile and Paraguay, while hardly backward nations, do not have either the funds or the technological expertise to do something like that. Since Argentina's major economic centre is... gone, that'll also cut into a collective budget.

For comparison, I don't think that anyone except France, Roycelandia, Quinntonia, perhaps Walmington and BG have really effective space programs that go beyond sattelite launches that piggyback on others' rockets.

Just pointing some stuff out, hope I don't come across as too pushy.

IC:

The Australasian government, although traditionally wary of the young Southern Confederacy, seeks trade ties with their southern neighbours. They are primarily interested in buying refined metals, but are curious as to what the Confederacy can bring to the table. Group Captain (Ret.) Toby Bloom, ex-MP St. George*, has been appointed ambassador to the Confederacy.

*St. George is the renamed Sao Paulo, since the Walmintonians got there before the Portuguese and as a result, named the cities what they want to.

OOC: Well, in reality, Nigeria has a satellite programme. Granted, their satellites are built by the British and launched by the Russians, but they have a space programme none the less. An actual space port and the independent launching of satellites seems ambitious for a young nation like the Southern Confederacy, though I don't know whether it would be impossible. They could probably afford it, though I doubt that it makes good economic sense when other, larger, more experienced nations will own them in terms of being trusted to launch other people's satellites, but governments don't always make the best decisions for their people, so that's not entirely unrealistic. There may be greater questions about from where the technical know-how and experience comes, barely one generation after the defeat of the former Argentina.
But AMW nations aren't exactly based on real ones economically, just on the geographic form of the world and over-all population sizes. That may not help the Confederacy, since they have a RL legacy up to the early 1980s at least.
Sorry I've nothing to add in character, Depkazia's a bit remote and distracted just now :)

OOC: I think the largest stock exchange in the AMW universe is the NYSE, followed by the Hangseng in Hong Kong, a Holy League one in Paris, and a host of smaller ones in the other nations.

IC:

Military analysts believe China is looking to offload her remaining J-12s and J-13s as the PLAF continues its streamlining, but obstacles such as the Confederacy's unclear status towards Walmington and Australasia need to be firstly resolved.

Like other nations in the developed world, China's thirst for natural resources prompts Beijing to enquire about raw material sales, especially ethanol.

(The J-12s on offer have capabilities somewhere between the Gripen and the Eurofighter with some 4,000 air frame hours remaining but we could build a few new ones specifically for export. The J-13 was supposed to be a high speed interceptor loosely based on the Mig-31 capable of cruising at Mach 1.8, but the whole project fell through and we may simply stick non-thrust vectored engines from the J-14 on.)

OOC: The Stock Exchange in Port Royal is just as large as the one in Paris- a legacy of centuries of Roycelandian mercantilism and colonialism.

And Franberry, rather than saying having us "Look, we really don't think a space programme for your Nation is realistic", why not make a full-on RP out of it?

As Australasia (sorry, Gurgetc is a pain to type out all the time!) points out, only a few AMW Nations have anything that could be considered a "Space Programme" by RL standards, and of those, only Quinntonia and Roycelandia have managed to put people in orbit, AFAIK. We were going to attempt a Moon Landing, but Vietnam and an inconvenient civil war in Africa (not mentioning any names, Lusaka! :P) kind of put that on the back burner until very recently.

Where is Franberry going to get qualified Rocket Scientists without closer relations with one of the space-capable powers? How will the non-space capable powers feel up a "Young Upstart" suddenly launching satellites and so on? What happens in the first rocket TSC builds- at a cost of hundreds of millions of Pesos- explodes spectacularly on the launching pad because someone forgot to unplug the fuelling line before launch?

These are all things that could make for a very worthwhile peaceful RP, if you wanted to run with it...

OOC: Hey, Royce, the USSR put the first man in orbit, so I think they (or their dastardly Imperial Russian successors) at least deserve a mention in that respect! And the Indian Soviets appear to have leap-frogged Roycelandia in the space-race, too: we're paying them to launch satellites for Yugoslavia, now. But, generally, yes, we all need to remain co-operative, friendly, and in-character as much as possible.

Aware that military exports are likely to remain one of the Socialist Federal Republic's main sources of export earnings, Belgrade is far from ready to settle for the sales made so far to the Southern Confederacy. Yugoslavia is little interested in the diplomatic situation when it threatens a sale, and waves its neutrality flag hard.

Maritime warfare being the nation's weak point, little that can be offered in that department is thought likely to interest the Confederacy. Small submarines (though fairly well armed), basic patrol boats, slightly dated missile boats, and light frigates are the sum of it. Their main selling points are that they are available and cheap... so long as they can get all the way to South America.

Belgrade continues to offer the L-20 Putin light multi-role fighter, though it is not specialised for carrier operation and some issues remain over its primary beyond-visual-range armament. Still, costing twenty million dollars or less and being easily able to shoot the Confederacy's old Mirages out of the sky, at least some hope remains.

Smaller items such as the RBR M90 (http://www.eurokompozit.com.mk/LAUNCHER/pos/120-l.jpg) Manual Rocket Launcher are offered with higher hopes. Used by Yugoslavia's semi-elite formations, such as the Brigade of Naval Infantry, the 120mm disposable launcher weight 13kg, is 1.3m long in combat position, and has an effective range of 250m, the projectile flying at some 205m/s. Its armour penetration capability is a useful 800mm, making it a serious man-portable weapon, as it can penetrate the frontal armour of many older battle tanks, including many still in service today.

Finally, the M-87 Orkan (http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/orkan2.jpg) (Hurricane) 262mm 12-tube MLRS system is offered, mounted on an eight-wheel truck. The rockets have a 50km range, and the system can be deployed in about two minutes. A battery, in YPA service, has four launch vehicles, four reload trucks with one set of rockets each, a weather vehicle, and a FIST (fire support team) vehicle, and sometimes another surveillance vehicle, all armed with machineguns for self defence. High explosive, smoke, incendiary, minelaying, and cluster-munition warheads can be deployed by the system.

Don't worry if you're not interested, I just thought that I'd offer since the SC is running into a lot of political barriers at the moment!

OOC: Are there other stock centers in the game?

IC:
The Southern Confederacy would be most pleased to attend to you economical needs. While as of now, we cannot meet your full needs, we can sure help. The Confederacy has a massive output of Ethanol, in the large production centers in the northen areas of the country. The Confederacy can export 750,000,000 gallons of raw ethanol per month to Austria. If this goes smoothly, then in the future it may be expanded to its full order. We can also ship the required amount of rubber. The Confederacy wishes that trade will continue.

Austria would happily accept all of that, suprised that the contract -made to last several years until your production got that high- is fully filled and will await your first deployments of resources.

Another good deal include your new comapnies, the bull market resulting from the non destruction of the Austrian state happily accepts your stocks -especially since all of them are profitable and productive, helped in no small part by the Austrian governments contracts with you- and a certain amount of noteriety for good managment and nice people is prevading your companies. Making us glad of your wise investment.

OOC: Okay, ill either scrap the space program or make some sort of RP attempt to establish one. I will be gone on vacation for atleast a week! so feel free to respond, but noone invade me or anything :P

IC:

To: China

We are very interested in the J-12 airplane that you have to offer. We would buy at least 50 airplanes in the first batch, with a high probability for further orders. We would apreciate if they could be newly built planes, but we understand if the first batch is not, instead of old models. If this is aproved, it is of very high probability that more shall come. Also, can the work off a carrier? If not, do you have a carrier-capable aircraft for export? We hope realtions between us will prosper.


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To: Australasia

We invite your ambassador with open arms to our country, and if it is permitted, will send one to *insert capital here*. We hope relations between our countries will prosper.


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To: Yugoslavia

We are very interested in the RBR-M90 Manual rocket launcher. This design seems good for the warfare of our region, low-density, spread out warfare, by being able to equip infantry with such a weapon, it will increase our chances against tanks.


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To: Austria

We are interested by your offer, but we wish to play it safe, and are not willing to commit to your stock market right now. While its probable that some independent companies might join, no goverment sponsored company will join as of now. We wish the best for your stock market

While somewhat put out by the Southern Confederacy's backing out in the last seconds Austria understands the Southern Federacy's caution when it comes to (I want to say second-tier, neutral, un-alligned, small, open-minded, cannot ally with The Holy League) unknow quantities with other European nations but wishes that the Southern Federacy will understand that The Greater Federacy Of Austria wishes to reamain neutral for the continuation of the war.

In other words Austria is hoping to put together an official group of neutral nations, with the sole purpose to have its members officially be neutral and not much else. Names, and other nations to be invited, are still up in the air but Austria is always looking for a second opinion and would appreciate if one of the biggest trading partners would give their honest opinion.

The J-12S (The 'S' designation symbolising the Southern Conferderacy) will likely feature carrier capability and 2D thrust vectoring for increased manuverability and STOL.

Newer airframes can be built for a slightly higher price, and these will feature smaller radar cross sections than China's own J-12s, slightly smaller than the Eurofighters. All in all, with planned radar and avionic upgrades, the J-12S should have a slight edge over the French Rafale, the Eurofighter, and the Gripen. The J-12S will be priced competitively against the JSF as well.

While on the topic of space, China is interest in offloading the remnants of the Shenzhou manned space programme.

a slight edge over the French Rafale, the Eurofighter, and the Gripen. The J-12S will be priced competitively against the JSF as well.

Them? Maybe against running away better but less face it, the Eurofighter is way ahead of its time before its time. I am not even into having a real airforce but lets face it, a slight edge should be changed to "better than a bi-plane" and left at there.

Them? Maybe against running away better but less face it, the Eurofighter is way ahead of its time before its time. I am not even into having a real airforce but lets face it, a slight edge should be changed to "better than a bi-plane" and left at there.

OOC: Please leave your assumptions about my technology by the door and read my factbook. The three Chinas were shooting each other with Gripen-clones and F-16 clones in the early eighties while the Eurofighter was still in its infancy, so please read up before making another silly comment.

OOC: Well, since Gripen first flew in 1988 and wasn't even ready for Swedish service until 1997, and since Eurofighter is clearly superior to Gripen or Rafale, I can see where Moorington's coming from.
China seems to have gone along the real course of the nation until the last third of the C20th, then had a lot of internal shooting and destruction, and come out a hell of a lot better for it, double quick. I do wonder why some of the more amazing aspects are necessary for what is already far and away the biggest nation on earth (more than 300% larger than the next since India is disunited). I mean, it's not like... you've just got the J-10 working instead of being a bit of a lemon, but jumped on two generations or something without problems?

OOC: Let's take this to the OOC forums.

OOC: Let's take this to the OOC forums.

Okay, sorry Franberry for jacking your thread.

The Southern Confederacy would be very interested in a group of non-allinged nations. This would preserve our neutrality in the war, and let us be in peace. The Southern Confederacy officially endorses Austria's attempts to form such a group.




OOC: Disregard the following if the J-12S is actually weaker than the Eurogifhter, Gripen and all that. It would be okay if they were more-or-less equal however.

IC:

The Southern Confederacy is very impressed with the J-12S, and would like to purchase even more. With the recent cancelation of a classified army program, funds have arised to make this purchase a reality. The Confederacy would be most interested in adquiring a second batch of 50 J-12S, and these will hopefully be the upgraded version. With the airforce replacing its aging fleet of Mirages (and its respective knock offs), further contracts should not be ruled out.

OOC: My capitol is Raleigh, the renamed Melbourne in Australia. I just... called it that. I'm-a be gone from the night of the 5th to the 16th, so any diplomacy'll be on hold. Sorry.

IC: Raleigh is happy to recieve the Confederacy's diplomatic mission. It is hoped that we can put our past behind us, and work towards a peaceful future in the Americas.

OOC: Very well, I shall await your return for starting diplomacy, and the Raleigh thing is noted

The Southern Confederacy would be very interested in a group of non-allinged nations. This would preserve our neutrality in the war, and let us be in peace. The Southern Confederacy officially endorses Austria's attempts to form such a group.

Austria is pleased to hear that and expects Yugoslavia to at least hear it out and Mauritania to accept it. For anyone who join enjoys significant Austrian foriegn investment.

Austria is pleased to hear that and expects Yugoslavia to at least hear it out and Mauritania to accept it. For anyone who join enjoys significant Austrian foriegn investment.
OOC: Mauritania is beign invaded, that sorta stops making them neutral. other than that, im cool with it

OOC: Mauritania is beign invaded, that sorta stops making them neutral. other than that, im cool with it

Well actually most people don't consider you non-neutral if you get attacked, especially if your a NPC nation that doesn't actually do anything. The whole idea is that Austria can can a group of nations that will look after their own, for if everyone is unified no one can technically be neutral.

Well actually most people don't consider you non-neutral if you get attacked, especially if your a NPC nation that doesn't actually do anything. The whole idea is that Austria can can a group of nations that will look after their own, for if everyone is unified no one can technically be neutral.
OOC: If theyre invaded, then theyre against someone, and gives them a side. I think we should include other nations, but not Mauritania, so we dont get involved in that mess.

OOC: If theyre invaded, then theyre against someone, and gives them a side. I think we should include other nations, but not Mauritania, so we dont get involved in that mess.

Austria still feels entitled to interven when innocents are being murdered like cattle, maybe a little bit of Swiss Red Cross mixed in with Austrian militerism makes the Austrian outlook that we must help Mauritania, just notin the cute cuddly way the Swiss/Red Cross use.

So that will be a pure Austrian affair, but I will restrict involvement beyond humanitarian reasons, neutrality and non-neutrality should be stopped when it comes to mass murders.

Anyhow, Austria respects the ideals of The Southern Confederacy and hope you will reconsider adding your stocks to the Federcy ndex of Austria. (Nigeria is, why not you?).

Austria still feels entitled to interven when innocents are being murdered like cattle, maybe a little bit of Swiss Red Cross mixed in with Austrian militerism makes the Austrian outlook that we must help Mauritania, just notin the cute cuddly way the Swiss/Red Cross use.

So that will be a pure Austrian affair, but I will restrict involvement beyond humanitarian reasons, neutrality and non-neutrality should be stopped when it comes to mass murders.

Anyhow, Austria respects the ideals of The Southern Confederacy and hope you will reconsider adding your stocks to the Federcy ndex of Austria. (Nigeria is, why not you?).
OOC: If we start getting involved, the point of this pact is moot. And for the reason of remaining neutral im not getting involved, if you wish to I wont support your intervention, but I wont condem it either. And as far as the stocks go, ill see what my options are, and if they have an impact on the game.

OOC: If we start getting involved, the point of this pact is moot. And for the reason of remaining neutral im not getting involved, if you wish to I wont support your intervention, but I wont condem it either. And as far as the stocks go, ill see what my options are, and if they have an impact on the game.

Well that sounds fine on all aspects, sometimes turning your eye from the lesser evil and concentrating on the bigger evil is good. A for the stocks, really nothing past words, maybe saying that your economy recives a boost from the dividends the stocks get the corporations -and then in course the government-. Makes a really good statement if you actually have someting someone else wants and has the taking it away to, so if we ever have a drifting apart your decleration of war will look really good along with cancelling your corporation in the FIA ;) .

Well that sounds fine on all aspects, sometimes turning your eye from the lesser evil and concentrating on the bigger evil is good. A for the stocks, really nothing past words, maybe saying that your economy recives a boost from the dividends the stocks get the corporations -and then in course the government-. Makes a really good statement if you actually have someting someone else wants and has the taking it away to, so if we ever have a drifting apart your decleration of war will look really good along with cancelling your corporation in the FIA ;) .
OOC: Very well

IC:

The Southern Confederacy company, PetroSur, which controls most of the countries vehicle-fuel needs (petroleum, ethanol, ect.), has announced plans to join the FIA, and is expected to gain a boost from it.

OOC: PetroSur is essentially goverment owed, just not officially, its really convenient

OOC: Very well

IC:

The Southern Confederacy company, PetroSur, which controls most of the countries vehicle-fuel needs (petroleum, ethanol, ect.), has announced plans to join the FIA, and is expected to gain a boost from it.

OOC: PetroSur is essentially goverment owed, just not officially, its really convenient

Austria is happy to hear that and FIA is being proclaimed to be the most diverse market in Europe!

PetroSur has reported a small, but sizeable, increase in profits. These will go towards the construction of even more ethanol producing areas in the north.

The Southern Confederacy would like to warn Austria not to get involved in any conflict that might endanger its position as a neutral power.

J-12S
A new aircraft developed for export to the Southern Confederacy, the J-12S is greatly superior to the original J-12, and matches the Eurofighter in most aspects of aerial combat. The J-12S is slightly less manuverable due to a heavier LPI radar system, but makes up for this with vastly more power. A major selling point of the aircraft has been the compatibility of the J-12S with the upcoming TC-3 long range missile which is "reportedly able" to exceed 250km range, making it suitable for fleet defense.

The J-12S is rugged, and features good STOL performance from football fields and motorways.

(The LPI radar isn't in the league of the F-22 or J-14, but is good enough to fool active radar cancellation systems such as the Rafale's)

TC-4
Developed in the late 80s, the TC-4 features a ramjet engine and manuverability similar to the AMRAAM. A later version, coded the TC-4V, will also feature thrust vectoring. Range of the TC-4 and the TC-4V is approximately 100km.

(In short, the BVRAAM without thrust vectoring)

The Southern Confederacy is very interested in the TC-4 and TC-4V missles, and would very much like to adquire production rights. We would also like to agument our exsisting fleet of J-12S, with a further 50 aircraft. We would also like to be informed when the TC-3 missile comes out, as this strikes us as an impressive piece of equipment.

(OOC: Sorry Im in a rush, no time for a long post)

The Southern Confederacy would like to warn Austria not to get involved in any conflict that might endanger its position as a neutral power.

Thats like asking the sun not to set. Then again, it won't be setting on the Austrian Empire here pretty soon. Nah, I left all my imperialistic designs when I drafted the concept of neutral nations.

I'll keep it down to some Eurofighters and MPs.

Thats like asking the sun not to set. Then again, it won't be setting on the Austrian Empire here pretty soon. Nah, I left all my imperialistic designs when I drafted the concept of neutral nations.

I'll keep it down to some Eurofighters and MPs.
Eurofighters is quite a bit actually.

If you want to escort the refugees with some of your troops, im sure their presense alone will be enough to deter any attack.

The Saharawi Arab Democratic Republic submits an official protest to the government of the Southern Confederacy, over its decision to sign several arms deals with the Kingdom of Morocco.

"Arms delivered into the hands of the Moroccan imperialists have no purpose than to bolster the occupation of the Western Sahara and to maintain the campaign of genocide long enacted against the Saharawi people. These arms are paid for by monies earned through the rape of peoples and resources in the occupied Western Sahara, stained crimson with the blood of Saharawi children.

To support the Moroccan military machine is to be complicit in their war against the innocent inhabitants of the Western Sahara, to take their looted wealth is to stain one's own hands in the fluids of death.

We implore the Southern Confederacy to terminate all such arrangements with Morocco immediately."

When the hint of restricting markets reaches Austrian ears a rabid animal is unleashed to stop the restriction, so in this case Austria hopes that the Southern Federacy will be unswayed by this lanting lunatics.

(Not that we arn't)

Soviets block Latin American frigate deal
Vessel impounded

Citing the dangerous degree of instability in world politics at this time, the Soviet Commune, after a meeting in Madras-Porthmadog, has voted to suspend a major arms deal with the Southern Confederacy.

Quite recently the Commonwealth agreed to build twenty Batch-3 Bodkin Class general warfare frigates for the Southern Confederate navy, assigning one already under construction for transfer on completion. This ship, now newly complete, has been impounded by the Soviets and may yet be commissioned into the Commonwealth Oceanic Guard.

The move comes under international pressure and is thought to be a direct result of the Confederacy's recently announced plans to supply the aggressor nation in Morocco's invasion of the Saharawi Arab Democratic Republic with military equipment thought to include French-origin fighter jets. There are certainly fears relating to the possibility of Confederat help to the global imperialist war effort which may be key to the Commune's decision.

Whether the deal is completely dead, or merely suspended as a means of applying pressure on La Plata with regards to its political choices internationally. Many unions certainly hope that the large contract is not written-off entirely, as it has the potential to generate significant wealth in the newly-confident Soviet ship-building sector.

Surprising Turn Around

In a move that's likely to surprise most, the Combine has asked the Commonwealth if the constructed frigates could not perhaps be shifted into Arrmandian hands. The Armandians are willing to pay as much as the Confederates, and state that they are doing it for multiple reasons. First and foremost is the need to beef up its force projection ability due to its increasing involvement in international affairs. A second claimed motive is the "need for leftist brothers to put aside their minor squabbles and join hands in cooperation". In essence, the Combine appears to want to make peace with the Commonwealth.

China "temporarily suspends" J-12 deal

With the first batch of J-12 aircraft arriving in the confederacy one week ago, the Chinese government has temporarily suspended the delivery of the newer J-12S model that was originally projected to follow next month.

The latest move comes as news of the Confederacy's dealings with Holy League-aligned Morocco makes headlines all around the world.

"We would like the confederacy to explain why they are supplying arms to the Holy League's cronies." Zhang explains.

OOC: Morocco is not in the HL, btw. And I hadent read the thread were Moroccan airplanes bombed refugees when we traded stuff. So sorry about supplying the refugee killers.

IC:

The Southern Confederacy would like to point out that Morocco has moved further and further away from the HL. Nevertheless, the Confederacy has heard of Moroccan actions against refugees and will stop trading with the Kingdom. Although taking back what we have already sold them is not an option, we will not trade with them any longer until they stop their attacks on refugees. We hope this action will help repair the Confederacy's international reputation.

China "temporarily suspends" J-12 deal

With the first batch of J-12 aircraft arriving in the confederacy one week ago, the Chinese government has temporarily suspended the delivery of the newer J-12S model that was originally projected to follow next month.

The latest move comes as news of the Confederacy's dealings with Holy League-aligned Morocco makes headlines all around the world.

"We would like the confederacy to explain why they are supplying arms to the Holy League's cronies." Zhang explains.

OOC: Incase you havent noticed, i broke all political links with the HL and offered to halt the current assualt on the SADR

OOC: Incase you havent noticed, i broke all political links with the HL and offered to halt the current assualt on the SADR

That just what happens when you pick the wrong friends, sorry Spiz, but that was not the most intelligent thing I've seen done with a new nation. Going down that path and the UE will finally have a chance to attack Morraco.

Satisfied with the promise of a stop in arms-dealing with Morocco, the next batch of 50 J-12S aircraft leave the port of Hong Kong under military escort and begin their journey towards the Confederacy.

Cheers! Austria is glad to here that China is releasing the impounded airships and is awaiting the Ignovian (Beth Gellert) realising and final fufillment of the frigate order.

Satisfied with the promise of a stop in arms-dealing with Morocco, the next batch of 50 J-12S aircraft leave the port of Hong Kong under military escort and begin their journey towards the Confederacy.
The Southern Confederacy is happy with China's decision, and eagerly awaits their arrival. However, the fact that The Commonwealth hasent said anything worries the confederacy.

The Southern Confederacy is happy with China's decision, and eagerly awaits their arrival. However, the fact that The Commonwealth hasent said anything worries the confederacy.

Austria still wishes everyone to drop all trade sanctions and to resume regular trade actions.

OOC: Seriously, let Fran get back on track.

Austria still wishes everyone to drop all trade sanctions and to resume regular trade actions.

OOC: Seriously, let Fran get back on track.
The Socialist Confederacy is more than eager to resolve the problems caused by several misobservations, Confederate or otherwise, and wants to put this behind and get the country back on track.

Satisfied with the promise of a stop in arms-dealing with Morocco, the next batch of 50 J-12S aircraft leave the port of Hong Kong under military escort and begin their journey towards the Confederacy.
The Southern Confederacy would be most interested in purchasing China's upcoming BVRAAMs. We feel that such excellent weapons shall be able to let us protect our airspace better.

The Australasian government registers general unease with such a request being filled. Corvettes and destroyers are transferred from their docks in Buenos Aires to the naval base at East Point (RL Punta del Este) across the River Plate. The unspoken suggestion is that such shipments would be barred to the best of Australasia's ability to do so, but no such statements are made, and it is listed as a 'fleet reorganization'.

Faced between to friends Austria will avoid this topic to the best of her ability. Regardles certain aspects of the current policy of The Southern Federacy will have to be tested.

Austria and Switzerland are still awaiting your reply to the formation of the Tri-State Pact, which is a basic treaty which wil help many Austrian investor, Swiss Banker, and Confederate buisness owner if The Southern Confederacy decides to join.

Shipment of aircraft stops

The fleet carrying the J-12S aircraft has suddenly stopped in the middle of the Pacific, a few hundred miles west of Chile. "Technical difficulties" are the explanation.

Shipment of aircraft stops

The fleet carrying the J-12S aircraft has suddenly stopped in the middle of the Pacific, a few hundred miles west of Chile. "Technical difficulties" are the explanation.
The Confederate goverment can dispatch a repair ship escorted by destroyers to help the Chinese boats facing technical dificulties and in need of repair.

Faced between to friends Austria will avoid this topic to the best of her ability. Regardles certain aspects of the current policy of The Southern Federacy will have to be tested.

Austria and Switzerland are still awaiting your reply to the formation of the Tri-State Pact, which is a basic treaty which wil help many Austrian investor, Swiss Banker, and Confederate buisness owner if The Southern Confederacy decides to join.

Ironically this post is still valid on all points.

News of Franberry's pullout from fortified positions near Buenos Aires and their promises of peace were music to Beijing.

With the "repairs" completed, the fleet continues on, rouding Chile and entering the Atlantic.

The destroyers and corvettes at East Point went to alert after news of the Chinese fleet resuming transit. The stated reason was 'reported French submarine activity, in addition to French-backed terrorist plots', and the corvettes have begun regular patrols of the mouth of the Plata River. The government furiously denies reports that these vessels aim to stop Chinese shipping, but nevertheless, extra companies of marines have been transferred aboard.

Raleigh has made noises about being 'open to diplomacy', and 'willing to negotiate with the Southern Confederacy'.

The Chinese fleet has announced its intentions to dock at Buenos Aires soon, and will transport the aircraft over land instead. Privately, the move is seen as a way to satisfy Australasian concerns and to act as a carrot for further diplomacy between the Confederacy and Raleigh.

OOC: Buenos Aires' port is mine, and if you docked there then some overzealous marine might impound the lot of them and have them pressed into service as Australasian aircraft. Wartime, you know.

If you want to get them to him, dock at La Plata, or any other major port. The corvettes won't stop you, they're just there to register displeasure. In reality, my government doesn't dare stop such a relatively minor shipping transaction. If they were BVRAAMs, now, I'd be flipping a shit. But since they're not, I don't honestly care that much.

Will stop threadjacking now, promise.

OOC: You probably want to dock somewhere on the Chilean coast, coming all the way around to dock in my northenmost atlantic harbour is really a waste of time. I have several harbours in Chile that can deal with the cargo.

The Goverment is back from recent travels, everything will prooced as normal!

The Goverment is back from recent travels, everything will prooced as normal!

Well good to hear, Austria is always glad to see a government come back to world diplomacy.