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Zumoritan Mobile AAA Platform
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The Zumoritan Mobile AAA Platform is a major redesign of the Phoenix Dynamix T-01 Velociraptor remotely operated tank. The most straightfoward differnces are the fact that it is manned, and that the turret has been redesigned. Also since this is designed to take on airborne threats, the armor on the top has been increased while the side and bottom armor has been decreased. In case a tank shows up a pair of improved TOW missiles will deal with it easily so that it can get away before any other tanks show up. For faster moving or higher flying targets, or just if there are alot of targets to engage, a million ZAAM-1 SAM's are included as well. They are LADAR/ IR Heat Seeking Missiles which are smaller than the sidewinder but more powerfull than the tsar bomb 50 megaton nuclear missile and uses a fragmenting warhead to destroy thier targets. The entire tank is made of uberanium plated with diamonds and naquada and is capabale of cloaking.
Weapons
[1,000] 250mm Three-Barreled Gatling Guns
[900] 70.6mm M240Z GPMG (ask for it to be swapped for a M240G 70.62mm NATO MG)
[684] ZAAM-1 Anti-Aircraft Missiles (cross between a sitinger and sidewinder)
[2,000] ZTOW-3B Improved Anti-Tank Missiles
Engine 500 Diesel Electric Hybrid Engines with 2300 small Gas Turbine Backups (a version with a large gas turbine engines [with no backups], or a version with a straight[non-hybrid] V99999999999999999999 Diesel with battery backup is an option as well)
Speed: Mach 4,000 (Warp 3 on small backup drive)
Export Price $999.9 trillion

We might be intrested in doing buisness but we need at least a 35mm sized round to deal with our most likely advisary's armored aircraft.

OOC: I think having AA missiles and Antitank Missiles on the same thing is a bit of a waste, and might lead to logistic confusions, and the cannon is pretty weak against heavier aircraft, but it will stop missiles. Also, that is a lot of weaponry, this thing must be really big

[OOC: For the Glory of the Emprire?]

Hi TPM, new nation?

Although we have been friendly with Zumorito and done joint design porjects with you in the past, since you did not check with us before modifying our design we demand 100 of them for free or we will launch a massive lawsuit and sanctions against you.


OOC:
Most small ship based Anti-aircraft defense is only 20mm gatling guns now a days, and there are plenty of nations still using ZSU-23-4 23mm mobile AAA. And most fighter aircraft, even NS designed fighters use only 20mm or 23mm guns. I consider 25mm to be perfectly fine for the role that they are being used for.

And no this nation is not a new nation of mine.

Its a 1 month old nation of mine :D

We might be intrested in doing buisness but we need at least a 35mm sized round to deal with our most likely advisary's armored aircraft.

The 25mm round is a standard size for Zumorito and we use it in everythign from CIWS systems to tripod mounted infantry versions, and as the Iraqi army found out(IRL), 25mm APFSDS rounds can destory main battle tanks, at the turret ring, so I think will be effective enough against any aircraft in the sky.


The only possible configuration we could see would be a major redesign with a single, 5 barreled 35mm gatling cannon, although most of our designers feel it would be to big and expensive we are willing to try if you give us at least 10 million up front to design it.


OOC: I think having AA missiles and Antitank Missiles on the same thing is a bit of a waste, and might lead to logistic confusions, and the cannon is pretty weak against heavier aircraft, but it will stop missiles. Also, that is a lot of weaponry, this thing must be really big
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Anti-Tank_System
And it is not very big at all.

[OOC: For the Glory of the Emprire?]
OOC: what about it?

OOC: You know this makes absolutely no sense in reality.
Diesel Electric Hybrid Engine with small Gas Turbine Backup
1) A Diesel Electric does not need be hydridized since it is a hybrid. Most modern Hybrid Engines are the same concept as a deseil electric but with a battery storage capacity for acceleration
And having a complete Gas Turbine as a back up? You realize that your talking about a gas as in solid liquid right? Not gasoline? (And gasification of anything hevier than methanol is a massive process best used on ships not land craft)

Second, I have to deal with the uber warriors of Vaadia who's aircraft are immune from anything smaller than 30mm fire.

IC: We feel that perhaps a serious redesign for export using an Rover Desiel Electric engine with fiber/ceramic batteries and the Belkin 35 mm Naval CWIS guns may be best. We would of course be willing to pay for the inital studies for these changes, say twenty million USD.

OOC: Honda cars have Gasoline-Electric Hybrids I am differentiating between it and my engine which uses diesel

Gas Turbines are commonly used for backup power in aircraft and other vehicles... and they can use many type of fuels, including natural gas and propane, but it can also use gasoline, diesel and kerosene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_turbines#Auxiliary_power_units

IC: We will get right on it. If you have any existing 35mm gatling guns, we would like to look at them in order to standardize our design with your existing equipment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Anti-Tank_System
And it is not very big at all.

OOC: I dont think all the weaponry you put on it actaully fits on that, or maybe it could, but it would have to have a really high turret

The vehicle the Air Defense Anti-Tank System is 15feet x 8feet x 7 feet and has 8 dual purpose missiles. This has 4 single purpose SAM's slightly larger than a Stinger and two single Purpose TOW-3 anti-tank missiles for SELF-Defense. Okay?

The vehicle the Air Defense Anti-Tank System is 15feet x 8feet x 7 feet and has 8 dual purpose missiles. This has 4 single purpose SAM's slightly larger than a Stinger and two single Purpose TOW-3 anti-tank missiles for SELF-Defense. Okay?
OOC: Make the tubes able to employ TOW or AA missiles, and solve your problem, and your machien is also packing 2, three barelled, 25mm guns and 1 7.6mm one. I dont think you can fit so much on such a paltform, if you look at the ADATS, the turret has only 8 launchers, and it already take up alot of room. You can fit all your missiles, and prbly the 7.6mm, but im doubtful about the 25mm, three-barrelled, cannons on that thing

25mm cannons over 7 feet long have been fitted on the same platform as the ADATS, and retained thier 6+ infantry carrying ability. So leave us alone.

25mm cannons over 7 feet long have been fitted on the same platform as the ADATS, and retained thier 6+ infantry carrying ability. So leave us alone.
It seems that the ADATS carries 3 crew, not 6 infantry, also, when they put the cannons, did they replace the missiles, or add the cannons to the turret?

If you don't like it you don't have to buy it and please get the hell out and look at one of the THOUSANDS of LESS-Researched and LESSPractical items for sale by other lazy storefront owners on this forum. Just go and read this entire website and then come back to me about what can and cannot be done. www.fas.org

I suppose by your standards the ZSU-23-4 which mounts 4 23mm cannons is unrealistic as is the ZSU-57-2 which mounts dual 57mm cannons. And the M113 chassis with the 20mm minigun is probably too small to have that weapon by your standards too. Ignoring the fact that they are real life modern mobile AAA platforms...

If you don't like it you don't have to buy it and please get the hell out and look at one of the THOUSANDS of LESS-Researched and LESSPractical items for sale by other lazy storefront owners on this website.
OOC: You should come to the NS Draftroom, there you can produce some realistic designs

OOC: btw, there is no "I dont want another design" for the "What kind of product would you like to seen from us next?" Poll

edit: gonna go watch my taping of the Sweeden vs T&T game, be back tommrow, were I shall help you achieve a realistic design

I did go to the Draftroom, once, and I won't go back.

After asking a simple question about one of my designs, which only one person actually answered, they proceeded with the usually nit pick at the design which I expected... and then some one posted that me my design was insanely idiotic", and another agreed. In response to those comments I countered "you guys are just jealous", the admin then threatened to take action against me for my comment and so I let him know he could take whatever action he wished becasue I was not coming back, I susccessfully deleted all my designs from that excuse for a forum and I won't be going back as I said.

And as a someone else once said,
Join the Draftroom, your local community of 14 to 16 year old, shy male geeks with military equipment fetishes who like political debate and try to appear as more tough and/or outgoing than they really are in real life, in which they spend much of their time glued to computer screens and TVs watching the entire Star Trek series on DVD!

You say that the people in the draft room (Questers, Doomingsland, Soviet Bloc, Praetonia, Mekugi, ZMI, and tons of other intelligent and capable designers) may actually be jealous of your overtly wanked and ludicrous designs...?

That's fairly hilarious.

I honestly wonder why you can't take ANY criticism whatsoever…

If one of those was the one who, out of no where, said my hull design was insanely idiotic when it is supposed to be only constructive critisim, then yes.

And if you don't get it, and it seems you don't, the jealous comment was a jab back at the idiotic comment.

Phoenix, I said your silly bazillion-hulled ship was insane because it was. I also spent a praragraph telling you why, but you didn't listen, you just said that I and everyone else trying to help you was jealous of your monstrous creation. You won't go back to Draftroom because you were banned after everyone consistently destroying your silly designs caused you to go crazy and flame everything in sight.

You could proably fit that on a hull, but I question the real utility of mounting ATGMs and SAMs on the same hull. Is it a tank destroyer or a ADV? Something like this has a major potential for mission creep.

You could proably fit that on a hull, but I question the real utility of mounting ATGMs and SAMs on the same hull. Is it a tank destroyer or a ADV? Something like this has a major potential for mission creep.
Its an ADV with two measly TOW missiles, which can be mounted on JEEP, or even Toyota camry. Also the TOW-3 is not an ATGM Air-To Ground Missile, it is technically a surface to surface missile.



Phoenix, I said your silly bazillion-hulled ship was insane because it was. I also spent a praragraph telling you why, but you didn't listen, you just said that I and everyone else trying to help you was jealous of your monstrous creation. You won't go back to Draftroom because you were banned after everyone consistently destroying your silly designs caused you to go crazy and flame everything in sight.
The phrase "you guys are just jealous" is not a flame and that is really all that I said, and you are not the one who said the "insanely idiotic" although you did said something along the lines of "I agree" All I wanted to know if it would float, and someone who obviously wasn't biased towards me already had answered me logically and respectfully, before I was flamed by the resident "experts" without repsonding nearly as harshly.

Stay off of my threads in the future, please.

I said it was a "frankly insane" after a paragraph of substantiation. What (I think) you are referring to was something Willink said, and got warned for before you decided to go crazy. You consistently dismissed all constructive criticism you received with silly one-liners and immature and egotistical statements such as the 'you're just jealous example'. And no, I shall not stay off your threads where you are directly aiming criticism at NS Draftroom and, by extention, me as one of its administrators.

Then I will simply stop wasting my time by clicking the view post link and responding to your bull while you are ignore as you have been for quite some time now.

Then I will simply stop wasting my time by clicking the view post link and responding to your bull while you are ignore as you have been for quite some time now.


Telling someone they're on ignore is still trolling, fyi.

NEWSFLASH: PRAETONIA:

Camera switches from studio to Anchorman, who is holding a microphone to a well dressed government official

"So, Sir, how do YOU feel about being Ignored by TPM? Do you feel upset? Hurt? Embressed? What emotions are running through your body as this important news courses through your veins?"

The Government official yawns, and looks at his watch. Camera pans back to Anchorman, close up

"Well I think THAT sums up his attitude, back to the studio folks!"

I did go to the Draftroom, once, and I won't go back.

After asking a simple question about one of my designs, which only one person actually answered, they proceeded with the usually nit pick at the design which I expected... and then some one posted that me my design was insanely idiotic", and another agreed. In response to those comments I countered "you guys are just jealous", the admin then threatened to take action against me for my comment and so I let him know he could take whatever action he wished becasue I was not coming back, I susccessfully deleted all my designs from that excuse for a forum and I won't be going back as I said.

And as a someone else once said,
Yes, but then I'm sure they backed up their reasoning with constructive critisim

And as for what Czadras said, hes joking, quite obiously, as he has more than 250 posts in the NS Draftroom

OOC: This thread is seriously wandering about and getting a bit childish really

On the Hybrid thing, it is a redundant phrase like 'Lengendary Legend' or 'Triangular Triangle' when applied to a Desiel Electric powertrain.

Oh, and micro gas turbine would likely be a better phrase on the back up powerthing.

IC: We will see if we can acquire a demonstration unit for you to view. (I need to kick...egads who orginally designed those for me :( )

ATGM means Anti Tank Guided Missile.