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China was the world's most populous nation for hundreds of years. China has had a history older than most European nations, going back to the times of Ancient Egyptians and Babylonians. Yet, by 1900 China was considered a Third World nation. However, this all changed in a far different way, and alter the future of the world irrevocably through events happening differently than in real life. By 1960, China has rebuilt itself after being attacked by nuclear weapons in the Third World War, and has surpassed America in terms of economy and military power. China's future shines bright, indeed.

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Information on China:

Formal name: Sovereign Republic of China

National territory: China, Mongolia, Tibet, Manchuria, Hainan Dao, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

Population: 600 million (estimated as per 1960 Census).

Next Census to be held in 1970.

Tech Level: 7.5 (Technology comparable to real life Vietnam War era)

Current Chinese Economy:

1964 economy:

954 industry
55 commerce points (maximum of 40 merchant points, 10 airline points, and 5 satellite points)
9 oil points
20 nuclear points
1 Ethanol point
20 tourism income (maximum)

Other Resources: 12 Coal, 9 Natural Gas, 8 Hydroelectric

Total: 1053 income points for 1965.

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Ongoing National Services:

1. Level IV Social Services
2. Civil Defense (Reduces wartime damage to Chinese infrastructure and population)
3. National Radar System (Provides early warning of missile or aerial attack)
4. Triad Intelligence Agency (TIA)
5. Nuclear Program (produces nuclear weapons annually)
6. Military maintainence (keeps military up and running)

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Energy Resources in Chinese Strategic Resource Reserves (CSRR)

5 points of oil
32 points of natural gas
60 points of coal

China's Technological Status:

Overall Achievements:

1. Rural Electrification Completed.
2. Level 5 Biological / Chemical Weapons Capability.
3. MIRV missile capability.
4. All Airports in China are now Jet-Capable.
5. Electronics Industry is flourishing.
6. Improved Transportation Networks in place. (enhanced railroads and highways)

Nuclear Capability:

1. A-Bomb Capability.
2. H-Bomb Capability.
3. Nuclear Fueling technology developed.
4. Boosted Nuclear Weapons technology developed.
5. Capability to construct and sustain nuclear power plants.
6. Tactical nuclear weapons developed.

Space Capability:

1. Multiple Space Mission Control Centers, infrastructure, and launch pads established.
2. Capability to send probes and manned missions into outer space.
3. Gemini mission capability.
4. Improved Communication Satellites.
5. Improved Spy Satellites.

Under Research:

1. Level 6 Biological / Chemical Weapons (15 more years)
2. Micro-Electronics / Computers Industry (5 more years).
3. Super Nuclear Weapons (3 more years).
4. Advanced Pollution Controls (1 more year).
5. Manned Lunar Landing technology (3 more years).

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Tech Level Advancement Status:

Next Technology Level: 8.

Requirements (Red = not met. Blue = met):

3 out of 7 conditions already met to advance to Tech Level 8.

1. Level 4+ social spending for at least 10 years
(Condition will be met in 1970)

2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
(75% productivity reached in 1964 / 65... Year 1 of 5)

3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
(Condition met since 1956)

4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
(Condition met since 1953)

5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
(Condition met since 1948)

6. Micro-Electronics Industry developed.
(Year 7 of 10. Condition will be met by 1967)

7. Reach year 1970 A.D.

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Chinese Armed Forces:

Army of China:

20 Regular Infantry Corps (40 divisions)
5 Mechanized Infantry Corps (10 divisions)
10 Armored Corps (20 divisions)
10 Mechanized Artillery Corps (20 divisions)
10 Mechanized Flak Corps (20 divisions)
30 Special Forces Brigades (Mountain / Alpine benefits)
10 HQ Units.

China Airforce:

20 units of Dassault Mirage V’s (2000 fighters)
4 units of Dassault Mirage G’s (400 fighters)
12 units of Kirin-B Bombers (600 bombers)
12 units of Heliocopter Gunships (1200 heliocopters)
12 units of Heliocopter Transports (for Air Assault divisions)
6 units of Nova AEW aircraft (Early Warning and AWACS, bonus to air combat)
6 units of Nova Tankers

72 units of highly trained pilots

China Navy:

10 nuclear attack submarines

China Missile Command:

1,000 MIRV-equipped ICBM's.
1.000 Missile silos.

China Reserves:

4 Dassault Mirage V's (400 fighters) in storage.

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Chinese Military Deployments:

NOTE: Deployments are both within the urban area and the 6 “hexes” surrounding the city.

Beijing

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 AEW unit (50 planes)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
2 Air Assault brigades (2 Heliocopter Transports and 2 Special Forces brigades)
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Changsha

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Chengdu

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
2 Air Assault brigades (2 Heliocopter Transports and 2 Special Forces brigades)
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Guangzhou

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 AEW unit (50 planes)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
2 Air Assault brigades (2 Heliocopter Transports and 2 Special Forces brigades)
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Harbin

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 AEW unit (50 planes)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
2 Air Assault brigades (2 Heliocopter Transports and 2 Special Forces brigades)
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Hohhot

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade

Hong Kong

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 Special Forces brigade

Jinan

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Kunming

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 AEW unit (50 planes)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
2 Air Assault brigades (2 Heliocopter Transports and 2 Special Forces brigades)
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Lanzhou

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade

Lhasa

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Special Forces brigade

Nanchang

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Special Forces brigade

Nanning

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Special Forces brigade

Shanghai

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
2 fighter units (200 fighters)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 AEW unit (50 planes)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
2 Air Assault brigades (2 Heliocopter Transports and 2 Special Forces brigades)
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)
10 Nuclear Attack Submarines

Shenyang

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade

Taipei

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
4 fighter units (400 fighters)
1 Special Forces brigade

Ulaanbaatar

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Flak Corps (2 divisions)
1 Special Forces brigade
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Uliastay

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Special Forces brigade

Wuhan

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Mechanized Artillery Corps (2 divisions)
1 Armor Corps (2 divisions)
1 bomber unit (50 bombers)
1 AEW unit (50 planes)
1 Heliocopter Gunship unit (100 heliocopters)
1 Special Forces brigade
1 HQ unit (Reorganizes and resupplies 10 corps or 20 divisions)

Xiamen

1 Regular Infantry Corps (2 divisions)
1 Special Forces brigade

Chinese Interstellar Status:

(Will be added at a later date. This section will include space stations, space bases, colonies on other planets, asteroid mines, and various outer space technologies, achievements, and such when we arrive at the Space Age in E20.)

Chinese International Affairs:

Treaties / Organizations:

Permanent UN Security Member (UN veto power)
Seoul Conference Treaty (+1% Economic Growth)

Alliances:

Gran Colombia / FNS
Korea
United States of East Asia (Indochina)
Japan
Pakistan (Modern India + Pakistan)
Philippines
Burma
United Islamic Republic (Modern Iran + Afghanistan)

Friendly Terms (Favored status):

Egypt
Syria
South Africa
Australia
Germany
Scandic Union

Neutral:

Everyone else.

Wary:

Russia
Oceanic Alliance (Alliance bloc in the Pacific)

War:

None.

Please post diplomatic offers, links to RP's involving yourself and China (my E20 nation), and any other international stuff that involves China in this thread.

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OOC: Sharina did you post a comment to my idea on the SCT thread?
Also, this may be worthless now, but did you ever get my TG i sent to you?

OOC: Sharina did you post a comment to my idea on the SCT thread?
Also, this may be worthless now, but did you ever get my TG i sent to you?

Hmm- I got like 10 - 20 TG's from you especially about Age of Imperialism.

What comment in the SCT thread? I must have missed it.

the wargames one. I'll send another for E20, but it may be late

The Ukraine announces that it will be improving the quality of its diplomatic corps and upgrading its embassy in Beijing. The Ukraine also invites the Chinese government to a conference on renewable energy sources, as the Ukraine is now producing ethanol. President Victor Mykola will be in attendance.

The Ukraine announces that it will be improving the quality of its diplomatic corps and upgrading its embassy in Beijing. The Ukraine also invites the Chinese government to a conference on renewable energy sources, as the Ukraine is now producing ethanol. President Victor Mykola will be in attendance.

Comminque to the Ukraine
From: Sovereign Republic of China

Greetings, friend.

We are honored that the Ukrainian people have chosen to strengthen relations with China, and also invites China to work on alternative energy resources.

China is more than happy to open relations with the Ukraine. We have already done so with Belarus. We truly believe that there can't be such a thing as "having too many friends". We also would be happy to provide all the resources needed to refurbish or even re-build the Ukrainian embassy in Beijing and the new embassy should provide the best quality in living and working conditions for the Ukrainian diplomats who will be working there.

China will also send several scientists to the energy conference. Prime Minister Chiang Kai Shek wishes to attend, but in these dangerous times he cannot attend personally (mainly transportation issues). However, should any energy or Ukrainian sponsored conferences take place within China or pro-Chinese nations, Chiang Kai Shek would be able to attend personally as safety would be guanatreed. It is China's hope that Chinese and Ukrainian scientists and engineers will be able to develop energy resources and technologies that will guanatree a clean and eternal Earth, and sustain civilization forever.

Live well and go in peace.
~Prime Minister Chiang Kai Shek

Comminque to the Ukraine
From: Sovereign Republic of China

Greetings, friend.

We are honored that the Ukrainian people have chosen to strengthen relations with China, and also invites China to work on alternative energy resources.

China is more than happy to open relations with the Ukraine. We have already done so with Belarus. We truly believe that there can't be such a thing as "having too many friends". We also would be happy to provide all the resources needed to refurbish or even re-build the Ukrainian embassy in Beijing and the new embassy should provide the best quality in living and working conditions for the Ukrainian diplomats who will be working there.

China will also send several scientists to the energy conference. Prime Minister Chiang Kai Shek wishes to attend, but in these dangerous times he cannot attend personally (mainly transportation issues). However, should any energy or Ukrainian sponsored conferences take place within China or pro-Chinese nations, Chiang Kai Shek would be able to attend personally as safety would be guanatreed. It is China's hope that Chinese and Ukrainian scientists and engineers will be able to develop energy resources and technologies that will guanatree a clean and eternal Earth, and sustain civilization forever.

Live well and go in peace.
~Prime Minister Chiang Kai Shek

To the Sovereign Republic of China:

The Ukrainian government is pleased that the Chinese government has agreed to strengthen its ties to the Ukrainian people. We gladly accept the Chinese government's aid in improving the Ukrainian embassy, and will be setting out to begin improvements and send the improved diplomatic corps as soon as possible. The Ukrainian government accepts that the Chinese President will be unable to attend, and understands the reasons behind this unfortunate element. Nonetheless, the Ukraine is glad that China has accepted the invitation. The conference will be held in Kiev, the capital, where much of the Ukraine's infrastructure and technological progress is located. We look forward to the arrival of the Chinese delegation.

Together, our two nations will strive for, and achieve, a better, more peaceful, more prosperous world.

Sincerely,
President Victor Mykola

Japan secretly approaches the Chinese government about the possible acquiring of a nuclear capable bomber unit immediately, and they will be payed back the next year

Japan secretly approaches the Chinese government about the possible acquiring of a nuclear capable bomber unit immediately, and they will be payed back the next year

China secretly responds.

"China will construct 50 Kirin-B strategic bombers this year (1 unit) for Japan and payment can be delayed until fiscal year 1963."

China secretly responds.

"China will construct 50 Kirin-B strategic bombers this year (1 unit) for Japan and payment can be delayed until fiscal year 1963."

We will pay in 1962. Is it 4 points?

We will pay in 1962. Is it 4 points?

6, actually.

All strategic bombers = 6 points to build.

The money will be sent in 1962 then

THe UIP wonders if a handful of advisors can be sent in our current construction of a nuclear power plant. We wish to have the safest plant we can possibly have. Our company who bought the rights to build it are asking through our government.

THe UIP wonders if a handful of advisors can be sent in our current construction of a nuclear power plant. We wish to have the safest plant we can possibly have. Our company who bought the rights to build it are asking through our government.

China is more than happy to send advisors and aid. We are also more than happy to share all safety, construction, and maintainence technologies with the Philippines.

Thank you for your help. We hope that our plant shall be a shining example of safe atomic energy for our people. Though for safety reasons we will have to isolate it in some fashion.

As a gesture of goodwill and reconciliation between our nations following the unfortunate events in Siberia, South Africa would like to propose an exchange of students between the Republic and China, so that both nations may strengthen their relations through the next generation.

If possible, South Africa would like to send students to China rather than vice versa, as the current political situation in South Africa is not as stable as would be desirable.

As a gesture of goodwill and reconciliation between our nations following the unfortunate events in Siberia, South Africa would like to propose an exchange of students between the Republic and China, so that both nations may strengthen their relations through the next generation.

If possible, South Africa would like to send students to China rather than vice versa, as the current political situation in South Africa is not as stable as would be desirable.

China accepts the South African offer, and is glad that the Africans are willing to mend the fences. It speaks highly of the African character and integrity.

China is going to set aside several dormitories and such for African students who would be interested in attending Chinese colleges, high schools, and universities. In addition, the African students are encouraged to bring things from their homes like cultural, traditional, or heritage icons or materials. The students are also encouraged to practice their native traditions and customs for the duration of their stay in China.

China is going to set aside several dormitories and such for African students who would be interested in attending Chinese colleges, high schools, and universities. In addition, the African students are encouraged to bring things from their homes like cultural, traditional, or heritage icons or materials. The students are also encouraged to practice their native traditions and customs for the duration of their stay in China.

China is thanked for its willingness to participate in this exchange, and South Africa expresses its hope that in the near future South Africa will be able to reciprocate the service.

TOP-SECRET IC:

Chinese engineers, designers, and military planners are frustrated at the inability of their bombers and aircraft to have an intercontiental range. They demand a bomber that is capable of matching or even surpassing the range of the American B-52 bombers which are reportedly capable of striking targets in China from airbases in mainland America. The Nova class aircraft is larger than the B-52 but for some reason it cannot match the B-52 in range, therefore several ideas were discussed.

A think-tank of development takes places, and a possible solution is offered. The idea is to try to build an experimental nuclear reactor in a Nova aircraft frame to provide China with the necessary range for its aircraft to reach anywhere in the world. The nuclear reactor mounted on a Nova would give it practically unlimited range, and the ability to theoretically stay airborne for weeks, months, or even years without refueling or landing at airbases (assuming it is fully automated and no crew within).

It is hoped that these experiments will finally provide China with a truly intercontiental bomber to match the B-52's of the United States and the B-70's of South America.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4869/nova10ti.jpg

China's Nova air-frame

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OOC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Reactor_Experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_aircraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36#Experiments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6

Links for info on RL nuclear powered aircraft- but these planes were experimental only. The experiments were carried out in the 1950's, up to 1961 or so.

ooc: A little early for an aicraft powered by a QNF powerplant. And what material would you use to protect the crew from Radiation?

ooc: A little early for an aicraft powered by a QNF powerplant. And what material would you use to protect the crew from Radiation?

wouldn't lead by suitable? We just did this today in chemistry, lead and concrete can stop gamma rays, but concrete would be too heavy

So would lead, and lead is quite a soft metal.

ooc: A little early for an aicraft powered by a QNF powerplant. And what material would you use to protect the crew from Radiation?

They successfully did it in RL way back in 1955-1962, and with E20 being more advanced than RL, this is perfectly feasible and possible (Remember we have +7 to +10 years advanced than RL, like having RL 1970's aircraft in 1960's E20 timeline)

Besides... China desperately needs an intercontiental bomber that have the SAME range as the B-52's of the USA and the B-70's of FNS. The OA can hit China anytime with conventional bombers, but China can't even hit Hawaii or the Black / Caspian Seas with its bombers.

China's best bombers range is severely limited to 2,000 kilometers, whereas the USA and FNS bombers have ranges of 10,000+ kilometers. Even adding refueler tankers to China's bomber missions won't help much, as with the bombers, China will only go as far as 4,000 kilometers, and thats it (as the tankers can only go 2,000 kilometers before having to turn back to base)

They successfully did it in RL way back in 1955-1962, and with E20 being more advanced than RL, this is perfectly feasible and possible (Remember we have +7 to +10 years advanced than RL, like having RL 1970's aircraft in 1960's E20 timeline)

Besides... China desperately needs an intercontiental bomber that have the SAME range as the B-52's of the USA and the B-70's of FNS. The OA can hit China anytime with conventional bombers, but China can't even hit Hawaii or the Black / Caspian Seas with its bombers.

China's best bombers range is severely limited to 2,000 kilometers, whereas the USA and FNS bombers have ranges of 10,000+ kilometers. Even adding refueler tankers to China's bomber missions won't help much, as with the bombers, China will only go as far as 4,000 kilometers, and thats it (as the tankers can only go 2,000 kilometers before having to turn back to base)


To ze SCT thread young padawan where all has been explained.

TOP-SECRET IC:

Chinese engineers, designers, and military planners are frustrated at the inability of their bombers and aircraft to have an intercontiental range. They demand a bomber that is capable of matching or even surpassing the range of the American B-52 bombers which are reportedly capable of striking targets in China from airbases in mainland America. The Nova class aircraft is larger than the B-52 but for some reason it cannot match the B-52 in range, therefore several ideas were discussed.

A think-tank of development takes places, and a possible solution is offered. The idea is to try to build an experimental nuclear reactor in a Nova aircraft frame to provide China with the necessary range for its aircraft to reach anywhere in the world. The nuclear reactor mounted on a Nova would give it practically unlimited range, and the ability to theoretically stay airborne for weeks, months, or even years without refueling or landing at airbases (assuming it is fully automated and no crew within).

It is hoped that these experiments will finally provide China with a truly intercontiental bomber to match the B-52's of the United States and the B-70's of South America.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4869/nova10ti.jpg

China's Nova air-frame

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OOC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Reactor_Experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_aircraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36#Experiments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6

Links for info on RL nuclear powered aircraft- but these planes were experimental only. The experiments were carried out in the 1950's, up to 1961 or so.


you know you do have tankers which extend bomber range from long to intercontinental

They successfully did it in RL way back in 1955-1962, and with E20 being more advanced than RL, this is perfectly feasible and possible (Remember we have +7 to +10 years advanced than RL, like having RL 1970's aircraft in 1960's E20 timeline)

Besides... China desperately needs an intercontiental bomber that have the SAME range as the B-52's of the USA and the B-70's of FNS. The OA can hit China anytime with conventional bombers, but China can't even hit Hawaii or the Black / Caspian Seas with its bombers.

China's best bombers range is severely limited to 2,000 kilometers, whereas the USA and FNS bombers have ranges of 10,000+ kilometers. Even adding refueler tankers to China's bomber missions won't help much, as with the bombers, China will only go as far as 4,000 kilometers, and thats it (as the tankers can only go 2,000 kilometers before having to turn back to base)

ooc
this is a very, very bad idea.. the US experimented with it on B36s, and then in the late 1950s there was an accident at Johnson Islands where a nuclear armed missile detonated on the launch pad, making a hell of a mess. The idea was dropped after it was realized that a plane crash in a populated area would be disastrous to say the least.

Also dropped was the PLUTO nuclear powered and armed rocket, for similar reasons (for one thing the exhaust would be bad news for anyone downwind of the launch site)

Small nuclear reactors aboard satellites are practical at tech level 7.5 by the way, and the Russians historically used them a lot.

Out of curiosity, what's the point of having intercontinental bombers if you have intercontinental ballistic missiles?

There isn't one.

Out of curiosity, what's the point of having intercontinental bombers if you have intercontinental ballistic missiles?

Bombers take hours to reach their targets, while missiles take minutes. You can show your seriousness of intent with bombers without actually hitting a target and recall them before its too late.

Bombers also carry larger warheads and are more flexible and can be redirected. Missiles cannot be and carry smaller warheads. You can also use missiles to destroy air defense targets clearing the way for the bombers. Missiles on submarines by the way provide relatively secure and hidden delivery systems.

The nuclear Triad the US has is there for that reason. Each element provides flexibility and security and the knowledge that its extremely difficult to destroy all of the retaliatory capability a nation has.

you know you do have tankers which extend bomber range from long to intercontinental

GB, here is the problem.

My tanker aircraft have a range of 2,000 kilometers ("Long Range"). Therefore these tanker refueler planes can only fly up to 2,000 kilometers max.

Now, take a Kirin-B or Nova bomber (or any large aircraft chassis based off those two planes). Their range is "Long" or 2,000 kilometers as well. They fly to the edge of their 2,000 kilometer range, then the tankers refuel these planes.

Now these planes can fly an additional 2,000 kilometers before having to return to the original 2,000 kilometer thereshold for the refueler tankers to give the planes (or bombers) the fuel to return home.

Therefore the maximum range my planes have *WITH* refueler tankers supporting them would be 4,000 kilometers maximum. Hardly intercontinental, and only able to traverse, what, 1/3 of the Pacific ocean between Asia and either North or South America.

Therefore, China and the SCT cannot strike conventionally at the Americas or Africa or Europe. Thus, to strike those places, China and the SCT will be forced to use ICBM's, which will have nations automatically assume the ICBM's are nuclear tipped (as you can't really tell the difference between ICBM's armed with conventional explosive warheads OR ICBM's with nuclear warheads).

Conversely, the OA, America, and FNS can easily strike China or even India or Central Asian Republic with conventional payloads as the B-52's and B-70's can fly that far WITHOUT refueling. China and the SCT needs to have planes with that range.

Therefore, thats the reason why China needs to develop these nuclear powered aircraft as it doesn't have intercontinental bombers capable of flying 4,001 kilometers or more un-refueled. If not the nuclear engines, then what else? The Nova's are China's only aircraft with 14,000 kilometer ranges without refueling, and being forced to build aircraft larger than the B-52 just to match its range.

See my problem?

And Thus why we chose to actually develop bombers, not transports turned bombers. Why not just find a new bomber, jesus.

Why not just find a new bomber, jesus.

Sharina, he's got a point, y'know. Why not build a sweet new bomber that can outperform the B-70 or the B-52, using conventional fuel? A flying wing would work.

And Thus why we chose to actually develop bombers, not transports turned bombers. Why not just find a new bomber, jesus.

Actually, I built the An-225 into a bomber, and in this E20 timeline, the An-225 wasn't designed as a transport first- it was designed as a bomber first *BEFORE* design as a transport.

I looked up the Dassault on Wikipedia and it produces NO strategic bombers whatsoever- mostly just fighters, recon planes, and civilian planes.

So I have to steal Soviet aircraft (like the An-225) because apparently I can't just "copy" the B-52's.

Sharina, he's got a point, y'know. Why not build a sweet new bomber that can outperform the B-70 or the B-52, using conventional fuel? A flying wing would work.

I know nothing about aircraft design. All my aircraft info comes from wiklipedia.

www.globalsecurity.org is a better site for information than Wikipedia (more reliable information) and also gives substantial background information.

I know nothing about aircraft design. All my aircraft info comes from wiklipedia.

Hmm...well, here's an article from Wiki that should provide a good case for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing

The Germans and the US also had some interesting Flying Wing designs during WWII, as well.

EDIT: I'd also take Elephantum's suggestion. Globalsecurity.org is an excellent website.

Hmm...well, here's an article from Wiki that should provide a good case for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing

The Germans and the US also had some interesting Flying Wing designs during WWII, as well.

EDIT: I'd also take Elephantum's suggestion. Globalsecurity.org is an excellent website.

Thanks.

Right now all I want is to have strategic bombers capable of hitting targets within the Americas, Africa, Europe, etc. from China WITHOUT needing refueler tanker planes. The USA and FNS already have such aircraft (B-52 and B-70 respectively) that can hit mainland China WITHOUT need of refueler tanker planes.

I want the ability to strike back at my "enemies" in the same capacity that they are able to strike me (without the extra logistics of refueler tanker planes). That's all.

Thanks.

Right now all I want is to have strategic bombers capable of hitting targets within the Americas, Africa, Europe, etc. from China WITHOUT needing refueler tanker planes. The USA and FNS already have such aircraft (B-52 and B-70 respectively) that can hit mainland China WITHOUT need of refueler tanker planes.

I want the ability to strike back at my "enemies" in the same capacity that they are able to strike me (without the extra logistics of refueler tanker planes). That's all.

The only consideration I can see is technological sophistication needed to control the plane, but you seem to have the goods.

Japan secretly (very secretly) approaches the Chinese government about the possibility of acquiring Hydrogen weapons technology. We are willing to repay you if you want it

Thanks.

Right now all I want is to have strategic bombers capable of hitting targets within the Americas, Africa, Europe, etc. from China WITHOUT needing refueler tanker planes. The USA and FNS already have such aircraft (B-52 and B-70 respectively) that can hit mainland China WITHOUT need of refueler tanker planes.

I want the ability to strike back at my "enemies" in the same capacity that they are able to strike me (without the extra logistics of refueler tanker planes). That's all.

Thats a pretty hostile comment, especially for a government termed friendly by the FNS.

Thats a pretty hostile comment, especially for a government termed friendly by the FNS.

that's of course OOC, and he needs intercontintal bombers because he knows that you and the US could possibilty hit him

Japan secretly (very secretly) approaches the Chinese government about the possibility of acquiring Hydrogen weapons technology. We are willing to repay you if you want it

China very secretly agrees, and gives Japan the hydrogen weapon technology. Payment isn't necessary as the SCT is about cooperation, friendship, and unity.

Thats a pretty hostile comment, especially for a government termed friendly by the FNS.

My comments about the bomber stuff was all OOC.

Besides, the FNS supported the American censure of China in the UN. If the Siberian Crisis did end up becoming a full scale war (WW-4), would the FNS refuse to invade or attack China?

Besides, China isn't even interested in attacking the FNS any time soon, OA or no OA. Its America that concerns China the most, not the FNS.

China very secretly agrees, and gives Japan the hydrogen weapon technology. Payment isn't necessary as the SCT is about cooperation, friendship, and unity.

ooc
This will certainly leak out to Western intelligence agencies. Look at the real world and how closely this kind of technology transfer is tracked by intelligence agencies and the media.

My comments about the bomber stuff was all OOC.

Besides, the FNS supported the American censure of China in the UN. If the Siberian Crisis did end up becoming a full scale war (WW-4), would the FNS refuse to invade or attack China?

Besides, China isn't even interested in attacking the FNS any time soon, OA or no OA. Its America that concerns China the most, not the FNS.

ooc
good luck with that, the US and Colombia have been allies since 1901 and fought two wars side by side.

ooc
good luck with that, the US and Colombia have been allies since 1901 and fought two wars side by side.

OOC:
Lol, that comment is false data!!! :P
You know why? Because you did not read what Sharina said! XD

Sharina was actaully asking Artitsa a rehtorical question on whether the Columbians would have attacked China upon the occurance of a possible WWIV, seeing as they are 'such great friends to China'.

(Sorry for the above random outbust, sugar high, excessive heat and exams season have made me a bit crazy today.)

OOC:
Lol, that comment is false data!!! :P
You know why? Because you did not read what Sharina said! XD

Sharina was actaully asking Artitsa a rehtorical question on whether the Columbians would have attacked China upon the occurance of a possible WWIV, seeing as they are 'such great friends to China'.

(Sorry for the above random outbust, sugar high, excessive heat and exams season have made me a bit crazy today.)

My exact point I'm trying to make (in bold emphasis).

The UIP wonders since the US has proven hostile to the SCT and seems to not care for compromises if China would not mind creating a larger trade agreement so that we may have better relations. (How does the trade figures get made?)

The UIP wonders since the US has proven hostile to the SCT and seems to not care for compromises if China would not mind creating a larger trade agreement so that we may have better relations. (How does the trade figures get made?)

The US begins releasing its point of view in the Filipino media, pointing out that the US acted to stop SCT aggression in Siberia and pointing out that the Japanese, who invaded the Phillippines in the Third Great War and were defeated by US and Filipino troops, are part of the SCT.

(UMM wouldn't that be better served in my thread?)

The US begins releasing its point of view in the Filipino media, pointing out that the US acted to stop SCT aggression in Siberia and pointing out that the Japanese, who invaded the Phillippines in the Third Great War and were defeated by US and Filipino troops, are part of the SCT.

China counters the US.

China introduces its own view in the Filipino media with the following points.

1. China reached a compromise with the Philippines over the Spratly Islands.

2. China has supplied the Philippines with nuclear power for a better and cleaner future.

3. China is heeding the Philippines calls for help (economic, technological, and military)

4. China built the majority of the Philippines merchant shipping which now allows the Philippines to have immense trade as compared to just 5 years earlier.

There are some other things introduced, but these four points are stressed the most.

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China would be more than happy to host even more Filipino trade and even further improvement in relations.

OOC; Great my media is a battleground between East and West. Well the Philippines is that bridge of communication. lol. To tell the truth I'm having fun with it. Oh well. *Shrugs* Onto work.

IC: The media frenzy seems to charge many of the younger crowd, which five years before wouldn't have cared. Unlike their United States counter parts, the youth of the Philippines had to deal with a gerentocracy, that they just were able to overthrow. The current help from the SCT is seen as the wave of the future, while the US is seen as the old status quo oppression.

The older generation sees the younger generation as ungrateful, and believes that though the former gerentocracy was corrupt, it did do alot of good for the Philippines, their old stereotypes of the Chinese and mistrust of the Japanese makes them stick to the US point of view.

THe only difference is the middle generations. Those in their 30's and 40's. While born at the Second World war, many of them have less connection to the US, and most of them simply want to get on with their lives. THey see the current disgruntled times as wasteful to the future of the UIP.

The UIP would like to start this trade agreement before any reprecussions may be implimented. (Aka how do I do this with the rulebook.)

China counters the US.

China introduces its own view in the Filipino media with the following points.

1. China reached a compromise with the Philippines over the Spratly Islands.

2. China has supplied the Philippines with nuclear power for a better and cleaner future.

3. China is heeding the Philippines calls for help (economic, technological, and military)

4. China built the majority of the Philippines merchant shipping which now allows the Philippines to have immense trade as compared to just 5 years earlier.

There are some other things introduced, but these four points are stressed the most.

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China would be more than happy to host even more Filipino trade and even further improvement in relations.


The US responds to China by pointing out that China was nearly conquered by the Soviet Union when the LTA went to war and ultimately defeated the Soviet Union.

The US supplies the Philippines with the equipment it needs for its defense forces and provides training.

The US has helped nations all over the world, not just its neighbors, and one of those nations was the Philippines, which got its industrial start through US investment, along with the start of its tourist industry, airline industry, and merchant fleet. The US also funded Filipino Rural Electrification.

The US did the very same thing for China as well (as far as industry is concerned)

The Japanese respond with the following:

1. Although Japan is a member of the SCT, it was admitted by China, who had longstanding mistrust of Japan because of the World Wars they fought against them.

2. Japan would not dare attack the Phillipines because A). China and the rest of the SCT would immediately retaliate and Japan would be crushed quickly and B). America would also jump in and help the Phillipines, making an attack on the Phillipines suicidal

3. Japan has provided the Phillipines with aircraft and ships for their defense, and will continue to do so.

4. The American led Oceanic Alliance has invited Russia and Germany into its folds, despite the fact that both fought against the U.S in two World Wars and Russia used nuclear weapons against them

Also, the SCT has greatly provided for Filipino shiiping, contributing more than the US under the Asian Economic Fund, and will continue to do so

The US responds to China by pointing out that China was nearly conquered by the Soviet Union when the LTA went to war and ultimately defeated the Soviet Union.

The US supplies the Philippines with the equipment it needs for its defense forces and provides training.

The US has helped nations all over the world, not just its neighbors, and one of those nations was the Philippines, which got its industrial start through US investment, along with the start of its tourist industry, airline industry, and merchant fleet. The US also funded Filipino Rural Electrification.

The US did the very same thing for China as well (as far as industry is concerned)

China responds.

China does appreciate American aid during the Third World War. However,

China has been helping the Philippines with its defense (Mirage jet fighters for instance). In addition, China has provided the Philippines with a safe, clean, and reliable energy production, namely the nuclear power plant and its technology. Without it, the Philippines would be forced to rely on coal, oil, or gas for energy production, resources which are subject to fluctation as in the Oil Depression of the 50's and the current Middle Eastern troubles.

China geninunely cares about the Philippines and her people. Otherwise we wouldn't be putting such effort to better the lives of its inhabitants. We wouldn't share nuclear power plant technology if we did not have the interests of the Philippine people at heart. The same goes for expanding the Philiipine merchant fleet and other improvements funded by China and the SCT.

The FIlipino news networks have a field day with all the time being bought by foreign nations. (Which means my television and radio companies are making bundles.) THe media in the UIP seperate as different networks set up different agendas.

The Network of the Philippines or NP takes a pro-American stance and starts accepting only adverts from the US. They pander to the conservatives of the nation. Their ratings are actually rather good, considering that the older generation watches for belief, and the middle generation wants stability.

The Allied Filipino Network or AFN takes a pro-Chinese and Pro-SCT standpoint, they only start accepting adverts from the SCT and blockade any adverts from AMerican newsrooms. Their ratings are rather high due to the large younger generation who tune in.

The Japanese message gets picked up by a dozen different radio stations. Though not major corporations, they have the same coverage together as the two large networks.

(THere ya got your outlets.)

Yo Industries and several other Chinese automobile manufacturers have unveiled the latest designs in motorcycles, cars, and trucks in light of the massive ongoing upgrade of the Chinese highway and road system. The car show in Shanghai drew hundreds of thousands from all over China, and the crowds were pleasantly surprised. Several designs seemed so futuristic to defy belief, while others were more conventional and down-to-earth. The Chinese automobile companies hope that these new designs and future designs based off them will serve the Chinese automobile consumer markey for decades to come.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2848/yangbike3fs.jpg

"Huo" Motorcycle:

The Huo is a revolutionary new motorcycle in more ways than one. It is the first motorcycle to mount a ten cylinder engine, use four wheels, employ tilting mechanisms for sharp turns, and is designed for travel across different terrains ranging from regular roadways to steppe terrain or the desert. A comestic package is offered to modify the exterior of the bike to become more aesthically pleasing.

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"Phoenix" Luxury Car:

This ultra-futuristic automobile is designed towards three things, which are aesthics, a smooth ride, and overall comfort. The automobile is designed in its current shape to minimize the effect of wind shear. The interior is as luxurious as possible, and in a radical departaure from conventional cars, the consumer can select which material the chairs in the interior will have inside- such as foam, feather down, leather, rubber, and so forth. The interior also boasts some much needed everyday amenities such as cup holders, folding chairs for more storage space, reclining chairs, several pylons on the dashboard to hold maps or pieces of paper for directions, a refrigated glove compartment for these hot summer days when you want to store cold drinks, and so forth.

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"Diamond" Automobile:

The Diamond is a cheaper version of the Phoenix, but with several features incorporated from the Huo Motorcycle. The Diamond is built for casual driving as well as rough off-road driving like deserts or steppe terrain. The Diamond also incorporates several features such as a retractable hood for these cold winter days or for when it rains, the cup-holders, the dashboard pylons for maps and pieces of paper, and folding chairs. It, however, doesn't have a refrigated glove compartment for cold drinks. The Diamond incorporates the "Tilt Wheel" system to help it negiotate sharper curves than ever before at greater speeds, without flipping over. It is expected that the Diamond will be as commonplace throughout China as Ford's and Chevy's are in the United States.

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"Paradise" Economical Automobile:

The Paradise is designed for economy, low prices, and a pleasant driving experience. The Paradise caters to the low end income earners but does not sacrifice too many amenities the higher end cars enjoy. The Paradise has foam stuffed chairs, folding chairs, dashboard pylons, and cup holders. It, however, doesn't have the tilting wheels, retractable roof covers, or refrigated glove compartments of its more luxurious sisters. The car itself is optimized for drives in urban areas, tropical climates, and even on beaches themselves.

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"Dolphin" Tractor Trailer:

With the massive increase in China's transportation infrastructure and the unprecedented expansion of its highway and roadway system, a whole breed of tractor trailers had to be developed, thus the Dolphin came into being. The Dolphin provides truck drivers with an enormous list of amenities, as truck driving is a tedious and at-times tiring endeavour. The amenities are designed in an attempt to make the truck driver's job as comfortable as possible while minimizing fatigue and associated problems with long hauls. The list of amenities include a plush mattress in the rear of the truck, comfortable chairs stuffed with feather down or leather or extra thick foam, the customary dashboard pylons for maps which is a necessity for truck drivers, air conditioning, a full sized refrigator in the rear of the truck for meals on the road, a small insulated two-cup holder for a hot cup of coffee or a cold drink, among other amenities. The Dolphin does not lack in strength and duty either, as it is designed to haul between fifty to seventy tons, and is capable of travel through desert, steppes, mud, and similiar rough terrain. It is expected that there will be thousands of Dolphins hauling goods for China within the next several years.

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"Tortoise" Heavy Duty Pickup Truck:

The Tortoise is designed for three kinds of drivers, the off-road fanatic, the military and survivalist, and drivers who have to travel difficult terrain on resupply or commute routes such as in Mongolia or Tibet. The Tortoise has a six-wheel drive, a hauling power of between ten to twenty tons, options for customization such as a covered rear or an extended cab or such, the option of including bulletproof armor on the truck, among other features. The Tortoise also carries two extra fuel tanks for emergencies or when the gas station is just too far away to travel on a conventional tank of gas. The Tortoise is expected to see considerable use in Mongolia, Tibet, Western China, and by the Chinese military.

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"Zhou" Pickup Truck:

The Zhou is designed as an ecomomical and an easily affordable pickup trucks for the individual who requires substantially higher storage and hauling than what can be done with the Phoenix, Diamond, and Paradise. The Zhou is also designed for hauling pleasure boats, aid in moving, haul trailers, and other hauling jobs that aren't so heavy duty that it would require the Tortoise or the Dolphin. The Zhou is a compromise between the heavy power of the Tortoise and the luxury of conventional cars such as the Diamond or the Paradise. The full use of this truck has yet to be realized, but initial reactions at the car show shows promise.

Secret IC:

Yo Industries, China Aviation, and the Chinese Government are looking into ways how to research, improve, and make enhancements to the Wankel Engine that had been developed by Korea several decades earlier. Development efforts has been approved in light of the threat of oil supplies being cut off in times of war. Several alternatives include the Quasiturbine, Gravity Engine, and even an engine powered by water. Another design is the "Enginator" which are engines powered by all kinds of gas, mainly natural gas and possibly gas from landfills and such.

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OOC info:

Wankel Engine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine

Quasiturbine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiturbine

Gravity Engine:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor

Water engines:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money-savers/article.html?in_article_id=403819&in_page_id=5

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm

"Enginator" natural gas engines:

http://www.power-technology.com/contractors/cogeneration/waukesha/

The Chinese government builds and then opens not one but three sled test ranges to help with aerospace, missile, and high speed research efforts. The three facilities are Chao, Ming, and Xun.

Facility Chao is located near Lanchow.

Facility Ming is located near Chunking.

Facility Xun is located near Hohhot.

These facilities have several sled tracks that runs for approximately 10 kilometers and each facility has its own sled manufacturing sector on-site. In addition, various other aerospace and high speed projects are also located there, such as engine research, propulsion research, rocketry, and so forth. Some of these research facilities contribute expertise and aerospace material to the Asian Space Program.

Four substantial proving grounds are also being developed in China. The four locations will be to the northwest of Lanchow, directly west of Chunking, northeast of Kunming, and somewhere in Manchuria. These facilities will focus on testing and the research+development of various aircraft, tank, and other military prototypes. It is hoped that these facilities will help improve Chinese military technologies and assets.

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OOC:

Facilities Chao, Ming, and Xun are based off the Holloman Testing Range in RL.

The four proving grounds will be similiar to the Yuma, Vandenburg, Fort Bragg, and Mojave Desert bases / testing grounds.

SIC:

Korea quietly asks about purchasing a unit of Mirage G fighters, a unit of Nova Tankers and a unit of Nova Transports from China Aviation.

SIC:

Korea quietly asks about purchasing a unit of Mirage G fighters, a unit of Nova Tankers and a unit of Nova Transports from China Aviation.

SIC:

Sale is approved.

The French Government inquires on whether or not that state visit is still welcome, if so the the French President is willing to take the Trip to Hong Kong and meet with representative from your fair nation.

The French Government inquires on whether or not that state visit is still welcome, if so the the French President is willing to take the Trip to Hong Kong and meet with representative from your fair nation.

The French state visit is still welcome in Hong Kong. Prime Minister Chiang Kai Shek serving his 3rd term will be attending.

The French President Arrives at the Hong Kong International airport where he is greeted by both officials and media alike, after having some rest the president meets with the Prime minister of China.

The French President Arrives at the Hong Kong International airport where he is greeted by both officials and media alike, after having some rest the president meets with the Prime minister of China.

Prime Minister Chiang Kai Shek welcomes the French president and after the usual greetings, welcomes, and such, the two leaders take a brief tour of Hong Kong amid heavy, yet not-quite visible security. After the tour, the two leaders attend a conference the next day after a good night's rest. Having been seated and served the proper refreshments, the Chiang Kai Shek smiles at the French president.

"How did you enjoy the tour of Hong Kong yesterday?"

"The City has many wonders both hidden and Obvious, I heartly congratulate your nation on its exellence and superb recovery and prosperity since the devestation of many wars. Something which many nations have been able to achieve thankfully showing the abillity of men to survive the worst, but China seems to have been especially gifted.

But enough of protocol, eh? Let's get down to business, the first topics on our meeting's agenda :

-Mutual Forign Policy.
-The Middle East situation.
-Forign Policy towards the OA in General.
-Energy and the Enviroment.

Chiang Kai Shek smiles.

"Business it is then. To address your concerns...

1. Mutual Foreign Policy.

China bears no ill will towards France or any of its people. The Dassault situation was regrettable, but we believe it is for the best in the long run. China is still willing to continue relations, trade, and such with France as we are a people committed to peace and prosperity.

2. The Middle East situation.

This is a sticky issue as the UIR is a member of the SCT, and should the UIR be invaded, China is obligated to come to its aid. China isn't about to go around attacking or invading everything in the Middle East, unlike what several people, agenices, or nations may believe.

I believe that the crisis in the Middle East is caused by the growing demand for oil in Asia, particularly in China, although we have yet to make aggressive or belligerent 'noises' about the Middle East. We do not plan to, unless the UIR was invaded. Our tremendous economy requires higher and higher quanities of oil every year. However, plans are being drawn up to counteract this effect and reduce China's dependence on oil. China is considering constructing at least ten to twenty more nuclear power plants in the next several years to reduce the amount of oil needed to power China's economy.

3. Forign Policy towards the OA in General.

China has several issues with the OA but no hostile intent. Allow me to elaborate.

The first issue with the OA is that the OA views China in a negative light even after it was discovered that China wasn't responible for the Siberian Crisis. We have not been aggressive, made war on anyone, nor made any hostile moves towards anyone, even the US in the last twenty years. We are a peaceful people, committed to growth and prosperity, not the art of war. Thus, why is the OA still viewing China as a belligerent or negatively?

Second, if the OA believes China is gearing up for a major war with its massive conventional army, the OA is mistaken. We are merely making ourselves as strong as possible so that nobody will even consider invading China. We learned an extremely painful lesson in the 1930's when the Soviets and Japan invaded, and then later used biological and nuclear weapons aganist us. If we had been much stronger militarily back then, our losses wouldn't be quite as severe. We believe that if we are percieved to be powerful, then nations will be dissauded from attacking China and killing millions of her people. The horrors of the 1930's and early 1940's must never be visited upon China ever again for as long as the Chinese people live.

Third, China has no grudge or anything of the sort aganist the OA. China just wishes to be left alone in Asia to develop peacefully. We aren't about to travel around the world and invade everything like the Mongols did roughly 600 years earlier. If the OA leaves China alone, then we will be more than happy to leave the OA alone. How do you Westerners say this?

'You stay in your backyard and I will stay in mine'

Is that phrase correct?

Essentially, if the OA wants peace, China would be more than happy to uphold peace. We have no desire to go to war, despite our massive military as we are probably the ones who suffered the most in World War 3 with the highest death and destruction count of any nation involved. We know painfully all too well the costs of war.

4. Energy and the Enviroment.

China is fully committed towards researching new technologies for a cleaner and greener enviroment. We have been researching pollution controls, alternative energy, and some radical pollution-free technologies. We truly believe that the Earth is a fragile home, and we must do all we can to protect it.

We have been having some difficulties in developing solar and wind based power sources. We do not have sufficient crop yields yet to mass produce ethanol. This leaves nuclear power as the only viable solution at the moment.

Thus, if China does go ahead with its plan to develop dozens of nuclear power plants in the next several years, its dependence on oil will be greatly reduced, and China will not rely on foreign oil so much. Consquently, the tensions over situations like the Middle East and Siberia will be much reduced.

China predicts the wars of the future will be fought over oil and energy, not over nationalities, ethnicties, or hatred like in the past.


Please do share your thoughts on what I've said so far."

Chiang Kai Shek took a sip of green tea, awaiting the French response.

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Secret IC:

Transcripts of the conference will be sent to various OA nations to demostrate that China is not an "evil" nation bent on world domination or military conquest.