NationStates Jolt Archive

This thread is intended to be a place where the OOC discussion over tech and other issues with the Blazing Thunder RP should be discussed. There should not be any prolonged out of character posting in the IC thread.

Please people, for the sake of the RP move your arguments here.

OOC:

Terronian - You are still avoiding the point. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRACL,

The MIRACL laser can produce over a megawatt of output for up to 70 seconds

In effect, you can run it for a minute before the thing burns out of fuel.

Furthermore, the megawatt order of magnitude is not enough to kill aircraft at any significant distance, as shown by:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAL-1A

A 2003 report by the American Physical Society on National Missile Defense found if the ABL [OOC: 1 megawatt COIL laser, same thing you claim to have] achieves its design goals it could be successful against liquid fueled ICBMs at up to 600 km range. However its effective range against tougher solid fueled ICBMs would only be 300 km, likely too short to be useful in many scenarios.

ICBMs are flimsy and light, and yet they still require ranges of 300 km to engage.

OOC:

Terronian - You are still avoiding the point. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRACL,



In effect, you can run it for a minute before the thing burns out of fuel.

Furthermore, the megawatt order of magnitude is not enough to kill aircraft at any significant distance, as shown by:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAL-1A





ICBMs are flimsy and light, and yet they still require ranges of 300 km to engage.


Indeed. COIL is pretty useless against aircraft and its usefulness against ICBMs is limited, at best. I use the MIRACL on my newest ship that is powered, in essence, by its own reactor (well the reactor powers the weapon systems but it's 200mW). It is used for anti-satellite purposes, as was tested in 1997 but this one is rather more powerful than the RL MIRACL but still is finite and limited. It would do very little against any aircraft except maybe a civilian passenger jet because aircraft hulls are VERY thin on those aircraft.

Ok...

Anyway... electronic muscles= T3h NoOOO.
Assuming the acceleration didn't destroy them altogether, in something as small as a CIWS projectile, myomers wouldn't produce enough force to actually shift the shell once you got the power source in it, not to mention the fact that you'll need control surfaces etc. as well. So um... no.

DREAD =/= real physics. It doesn't work. Thank Isaac Newton for that.

OOC: Kreynoria, please explain the following -


The first weapon was a COIL laser. The laser could engage up to five targets per second for fifty seconds; thus a total of two hundred fifty of the Doomani projectiles could be destroyed by a single defender satellite.


And again, I mention the whole mess concerning insufficient power output and cooling. Furthermore, this is even more ineffective than Terronian's system since COIL lasers are intended to weaken the skin of a targeted vehicle (like an ICBM) - and Doom's BPs are very tough, very dense metallic projectiles traveling at double-digit Mach numbers in a vacuum. Even if you're trying to kill an ICBM, the laser would still need to be kept on-target for much longer than a fraction of a second in order to destroy it.

Each defender also was equipped with two centrifuge guns. The centrifuges could attain a rate of fire of over 2,500 rounds per second at their peak performance.

As has been shown in numerous contexts, DREAD-style centrifuge guns are physically impossible to operate. Consider - http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=526

The contention that this device could be used as a "Star Wars" Missile Defense System is also ridiculous. (Hey, why spend trillions on space-based lasers and sophisticated kill vehicles, when we can just shoot-down incoming ICBM's with a fancy satellite-mounted BB gun?) Even if you could solve the substantial targeting and tracking problems, you would then have the seemingly impossible task of getting decent projectile grouping over the huge distances involved. KingTiger was concerned about dispersal patterns from only 50 yards, what kind of spread do you think you would get from this weapon after, say, 1,000 miles? And even if by some miracle you were able achieve laser-like grouping over unlimited distances, you still have the issue of speed. An ICBM is traveling very fast, over 15,000 MPH, more than 4x faster that even a 5,000 fps round! Because of it's speed and trajectory, it's been stated that you need a velocity of at least 7km/s (and preferably faster) to successfully intercept an ICBM in flight. As an example, in an early 90's Star Wars shoot-down test, the interceptor closed-in on the target at over 13.4 km/s, that's over 44,000 fps!"

Finally...

Finally, each defender was also equipped with four Gatekeeper CIWS. The Gatekeeper was for the most part a standard CIWS, but with one notable difference: its rounds were each equipped with several electronic 'muscles' that could make slight adjustments to the bullet's course. Although not true guidance, this would make the difference between a near miss and a hit.

How the hell do you fit a control surface on a bullet?

Well, once the steaming turd cools down to a peaceful mudpie of doggy doo, I'll refuse to post...really isn't worth the stress...

Tyrandis, would you mind explaining how you made my missiles fire into the Pacific?

He didn't. They simply didn't have the range to reach my coast. Like I said, you never actualy RPed positioning them within 250km of my shores.

I don't need to. Japan is my ally. I owned the Kuriles until yesterday.
:headbang:

I don't need to. Japan is my ally. I owned the Kuriles until yesterday.
:headbang:
You never RPed positioning your subs in Japan's waters. I have to go now for a few hours, we'll continue this debate when I get back.

There's no debate. My subs were there.

This is the reason I took a break from E2 lol.

Some people just wont accept being wrong. He can't tell me where my subs are!

I would love to know if he's going to respond to any of my attacks at all. There can be no debate that my subs are well within range, seeing how the Sea of Okhotsk is my friggin backyard.

He's going to do what Ty did before: dissapear.

He's going to do what Ty did before: dissapear.

I hope not. This war had some real potential.

FUCK I JUST RIPPED MY LIP BEFORE POSTING!

Anyways...

STOP FIGHTING.

JUST POST.

IF SOMETHING IS WRONG, TRY TO DISCUSS IS NORMALLY. JUST YOU ARE AT WAR WITH SOMEONE DOESN'T ENABLE YOU TO CALL THEM FUCKING NAMES, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THEN EVERYONE IS JUST A DUMBFUCK.

POST IN DETAIL. WHO CARES ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, MOST OF US DO KNOW, JUST POST A LINK AT THE END IN AN OOC MANNER, AND FOCUS ON HOW YOUR TROOPS ARE MOVING AROUND.

AND REFRAME FROM HAVING YOUR FORCES BEING MILES OUT OF YOUR HARBOR IN ONE POST. EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH HAS THAT PROBLEM, FLEET WEEK IS AN EXAMPLE. I THINK MAYBE 1 OR 2 OTHER NATIONS ACTUALLY RP'D THEIR SHIP(S) FROM POINT A TO POINT B.

JESUS.

FUCK I JUST RIPPED MY LIP BEFORE POSTING!

Anyways...

STOP FIGHTING.

JUST POST.

IF SOMETHING IS WRONG, TRY TO DISCUSS IS NORMALLY. JUST YOU ARE AT WAR WITH SOMEONE DOESN'T ENABLE YOU TO CALL THEM FUCKING NAMES, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THEN EVERYONE IS JUST A DUMBFUCK.

POST IN DETAIL. WHO CARES ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, MOST OF US DO KNOW, JUST POST A LINK AT THE END IN AN OOC MANNER, AND FOCUS ON HOW YOUR TROOPS ARE MOVING AROUND.

AND REFRAME FROM HAVING YOUR FORCES BEING MILES OUT OF YOUR HARBOR IN ONE POST. EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH HAS THAT PROBLEM, FLEET WEEK IS AN EXAMPLE. I THINK MAYBE 1 OR 2 OTHER NATIONS ACTUALLY RP'D THEIR SHIP(S) FROM POINT A TO POINT B.

JESUS.


Amen

My subs were there because they'd just pulled out from the Kurils. The rest of my stuff is en route as stated in my post.

Alright, just from now on EVERYONE post how those ships got there so no one assumes that we are launching Cruise Missiles from hundreds of miles in an untouched harbor.

Alright, just from now on EVERYONE post how those ships got there so no one assumes that we are launching Cruise Missiles from hundreds of miles in an untouched harbor.

fair enough

Agreed.

Can sombody post somthing. I dont like double posting.

Just posted a glorified TAG

Just posted my reply.

Another thing.

I don't want to make it appear that I am against any one of my allies OOCly or ICly, but I must detest Huahin's Cruise Missile Attack. It had never occured to me that at one point he had launched out of my waters. Accordingly, they were ships left behind after the Kuril Transfer *happened awhile ago*. But, regardless, Japan has not entered this war yet on any measure other than preparations. And, not having changed my War Doctrine, it does still state that -

"Regardless of the status of any one Ally, the Imperium of Japan is exempt from war unless the war is brought on a Japanese held front. If such does occur, then the Japanese Imperial Armed Forces shall be fully commited to the situation."

As well it does state, along these lines, that no ally is to use, or any one including enemies, may hide or use my waters and or ports to launch a DIRECT invasion or HIT. You may pass through my waters and launch outside in International Waters, you may dock in my ports and go off somewhere else, but you may not launch any invasion from a Japanese Port.

I hope that has made it simple enough. We may concur that Huahin launched out of International Waters or in Squorn Waters, unless KAIN protests.

No, I transfered the Kuril's to you after my attack.
International Waters are usually only 12NM from land, so I'm well within my rights to attack.

Several E2 nations, myself included, claim a 24-nautical mile territorial water boundary.

Alright, you know what, I'll respond to the attack when I have time. Squorn, I still wanna finish up our MSN convo before I make my next post...you haven't really been on lately, at least when I'm around.

Alright, you know what, I'll respond to the attack when I have time. Squorn, I still wanna finish up our MSN convo before I make my next post...you haven't really been on lately, at least when I'm around.

Yeah, I work man, I'm on when I can be.

Several E2 nations, myself included, claim a 24-nautical mile territorial water boundary.
I was going on RL.

ok, Doom and I have just discussed the discrepancies between our posts, and I am making edits accordingly. He said he will reply sometime later today or tomorrow.

I think the main problem that this war is facing is that everyone is RPing to win. Sure, winning is great, but take some time to look at things realisticly before you post about how your military genius has saved the day once again.

sorry if I sound a bit cynical, I have a headache from working too many numbers in my mind.

I refuse to respond to Kreynoria until he explains how his magical SDI is supposed to work.

Why do all the major wars on here turn into OOC rant fests? Is it that people can't RP or they are just that into whining?

Why do all the major wars on here turn into OOC rant fests? Is it that people can't RP or they are just that into whining?

Ya seiously thats why I took a break everybody yelling out, your godmoding your cheating, thats imposable. raw raw raw

No one...yelled that when you pulled out.

There are some crap ass posts that should be revised.

And I don't think Layarteb should worry about this, as it doesn't really concern him nor his nation at all. Should know that by now no one has any interest in including him in the nuke fest.

No one...yelled that when you pulled out.

There are some crap ass posts that should be revised.

And I don't think Layarteb should worry about this, as it doesn't really concern him nor his nation at all. Should know that by now no one has any interest in including him in the nuke fest.

Just an observation.

More or less, communication has lead to a problem with this thread. And both sides don't hate eachother ICly only, but extremely OOCly.

More or less, communication has lead to a problem with this thread. And both sides don't hate eachother ICly only, but extremely OOCly.

Which makes it extremely difficult to RP, especially for those of us who don't hate our opponents OOCly.

If i could add my two cents. Missile Spam and refusing to lose ruin all big Rp's. Thats why i liked The Great Burn (although i thought the gang bang was pretty gay) the fact that TLS took the lose showed me alot.

Also every big RP starts off with a missile spam which in turns leads to a bash fest.

If i could add my two cents. Missile Spam and refusing to lose ruin all big Rp's. Thats why i liked The Great Burn (although i thought the gang bang was pretty gay) the fact that TLS took the lose showed me alot.

Also every big RP starts off with a missile spam which in turns leads to a bash fest.

Missile spam is hard to get around. There's a limited amount of options for modern war, and all of them involve missiles in some way, lots and lots of missiles. But yeah, Rping to win is a huge problem on Earth II lately.

Doomingsland, how the fuck did you destroy all of my 500 missiles, which are stealth cruise missiles. This is utterly ridiculous. Can you not RP without godmodding? As Brink said, you just wont accept defeat, and you're ruining this.

Buddy, you yourself said stealth is easy to detect with OTH (and believe me, I heard about OTH long before this RP, don't think I don't have my own arrays). And the way this missile is described on the Wikipedia page, it's only 'stealthy'. The B-1B Lancer is 'stealthy', but its still detectable.

No, my RADAR's powerful enough to pick up the missiles (and I'm not even talking about my OTH RADAR, my land-based phased array sets and AWACS birds with downward looking RADARs can pic them up). If you REALLY think that's unreasonable, I just as easily could have picked them up with IRST and shot them down.

Besides, 500 missiles really isn't alot.

Now, I've been doing a little more reading on this missile of your's, and apparently it isn't capable of being submarine launched! Imagine that! The only versions of the Storm Shadow in existance are air launched versions.

MBDA are developing a longer range sea-launched variant, to be called SCALP Naval, to be launched from surface and submarines using the A70 version of the SYLVER launcher on the former. The range is to be increased to at least 1200 km according to rumours, thus necessitating the use of A70. This is deemed necessary to make SCALP Naval a credible competitor to the Tomahawk missile.
So, in fact, I'd got the wrong stats, as I was using the aerial launch version's range before. My naval version of the Stormshadow (SCALP is the French name for it, StormShadow is the English one) has a range of at least 1200km, which negates an earlier argument. This missile will be fitted to the Type 45 Destroyers in the RN, which I also use. This will be using a vertical launch system, the same type as the Tomahawk. The submarines that I was using, were Seawolf class (used by the US, as these were the first subs I bought in NS, I've just left them in my E2 nation, but they're being phased out and replaced with my Astute class ones). The Seawolf fires Tomahawks, so it is not unreasonable to suggest my expert engineers could have modified it to fire Stormshadows (naval).

So, in fact, I'd got the wrong stats, as I was using the aerial launch version's range before. My naval version of the Stormshadow (SCALP is the French name for it, StormShadow is the English one) has a range of at least 1200km, which negates an earlier argument. This missile will be fitted to the Type 45 Destroyers in the RN, which I also use. This will be using a vertical launch system, the same type as the Tomahawk. The submarines that I was using, were Seawolf class (used by the US, as these were the first subs I bought in NS, I've just left them in my E2 nation, but they're being phased out and replaced with my Astute class ones). The Seawolf fires Tomahawks, so it is not unreasonable to suggest my expert engineers could have modified it to fire Stormshadows (naval).
Yeah, modifying a Seawolf to fire different missiles wouldn't be hard, really...you could always install modular VLS so you can fire either kind of missile.

Why do all the major wars on here turn into OOC rant fests? Is it that people can't RP or they are just that into whining?

Thats because people feel that they can get their way by whining and complaining. Call it the "Brat Factor", its used to force a person to quit by calling them names and degrading a person. Added to the factor, the show respect for other players rule in E2 has no enforcement behind it. The land rule works nicely, but there are loopholes galore.

Im guilty as charge myself. But because its so difficult to get land in this game, when one losses land it feels like a lost of commitment. Its like working for 40 years only to find out you have no 401k.

So their is no alternative to bitching

Thats because people feel that they can get their way by whining and complaining. Call it the "Brat Factor", its used to force a person to quit by calling them names and degrading a person. Added to the factor, the show respect for other players rule in E2 has no enforcement behind it. The land rule works nicely, but there are loopholes galore.

Im guilty as charge myself. But because its so difficult to get land in this game, when one losses land it feels like a lost of commitment. Its like working for 40 years only to find out you have no 401k.

So their is no alternative to bitching

You ever try to enforce that? I'd have to cite everybody for a warning on that, myself included, if I went anal with taht law. That's why I have the OOC forum because all goes there.

Panth does make a good point though. Lost Land is a real blow and hard to cope with. The worst part is almost all wars on EII are for land save a few (Layarteb's involvement in The Great Burn).

Honestly i dont think there is anything that can be done, it is bound to happen. The only thing that could settle this is something that i think would cause even more problems... a moderator. A middle country to delegate who has won and who has lost a certain battle.

Like i said before, the above is highly unlikly.

Yea, and again I wonder how it is your business *any of you* to really post when we have all been speaking on AIM and MSN to try and fix it. Rather than add to the equation, just...go away?

A simple thanks anyway would have done fine but ok...

A simple thanks anyway would have done fine but ok...

This is the Operation: BLAZING THUNDER OOC thread, not the Earth II RP flaws discussion thread.

Yes, but if people's words threaten the integrity of the E2 community it becomes the E2 community's business, and if we do not know or see that anything is being done to fix the problem we'll end up taking action even if we are not involved (which has worked out in the past for certain rowdy members)

And to not be 'off-topic' here (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=286)

Side-note for B.T. OOC discussion (created before this mind you)

Why thank you for adding onto the fire, either deliberately or not. If you had something that no one knew about to say, then say it. Don't come here and bring something up that is already in everyone's face. If it were to be threatening E2's integrity, it would have done so long ago. I've already spoken to Mari as well and he admited that it is relatively stupid that others are not minding their own business.

Excuse me but weren't you the one to get in the middle of the Pantheaa Invasion?

In any case this 'mind your own business' is a poor cop-out. Something is wrong, it is already threatening the integrity of E2. You can either listen to outsiders' perspective, ignore it, or tell them to STFU and go away. I know which are the most mature choices do you?

Panth does make a good point though. Lost Land is a real blow and hard to cope with. The worst part is almost all wars on EII are for land save a few (Layarteb's involvement in The Great Burn).

Honestly i dont think there is anything that can be done, it is bound to happen. The only thing that could settle this is something that i think would cause even more problems... a moderator. A middle country to delegate who has won and who has lost a certain battle.

Like i said before, the above is highly unlikly.

Im gonna have to agree with Brink the only thing we can do is have a moderator. It would solve alot of probloms. And save alot of time.

Yes, but if people's words threaten the integrity of the E2 community it becomes the E2 community's business, and if we do not know or see that anything is being done to fix the problem we'll end up taking action even if we are not involved (which has worked out in the past for certain rowdy members)

And to not be 'off-topic' here (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=286)

Side-note for B.T. OOC discussion (created before this mind you)

That's a discussion thread on the "Godrod" with six posts.

This is an OOC discussion for participants in the BT thread to discuss the events in that thread.

This was not intended to be a thread for people not involved in the RP to complain about the immaturity of those who are, nor was it intended to address any problems which may "threaten the integrity of Earth II". If you truly believe that such problems do exist, start your own damn thread about it, don't clutter up this one.

Panth does make a good point though. Lost Land is a real blow and hard to cope with. The worst part is almost all wars on EII are for land save a few (Layarteb's involvement in The Great Burn).

Honestly i dont think there is anything that can be done, it is bound to happen. The only thing that could settle this is something that i think would cause even more problems... a moderator. A middle country to delegate who has won and who has lost a certain battle.

Like i said before, the above is highly unlikly.

I think that is a practice we ought not to get involved in but it's your RP so you can if you want to, that's entirely up to you, just make sure whomever it is, they aren't biased or else that would negate the whole thing.

Yeah, modifying a Seawolf to fire different missiles wouldn't be hard, really...you could always install modular VLS so you can fire either kind of missile.
Yeah, I try to avoid using Soviet/US stuff, but my orginal army which I had ni NS consisted of old Soviet/US stuff, which is really crap, but I kept it when I joined E2. Now all my stuff is British.

I refuse to respond to Kreynoria until he explains how his magical SDI is supposed to work.

Your argument against the centrifuge guns is irrelavent. It would be impossible to use them against missiles in an SDI role, but this is not SDI. Doomingsland's projectiles were fired from satellites at satellites. They are in space, where there is no wind to disperse the bullets. Furthermore, the projectiles are massed, which makes them easier to hit.

As per the smart bullets, others seem to think they are possible in the My Rod's Bigger Than Yours (http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=286&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) discussion, and they are in service with other nations, notably Phoenixius' MierTech, which supplied me with much of my equipment. The bullets can only make minute changes.

The laser can switch targets every 0.2 seconds. That doesn't mean they do. Kreynoria's satellite network is enormous (I started it when I was a newb), and the defender satellites have interlocking lines of fire. More than one could attack the same projectile.

Finally, even if you ignore all three weapon systems, the defender satellites have the same radar and infrared signature as their partner. As explained in the post, only one is activated at a time, and once the attack was detected the defenders switched on while the normal satellites temporarily were turned off. Even if the weapons did nothing, almost all of the projectiles would have struck the defender satellites, hit the countermeasure drones, or missed altogether.

Kreynoria']Your argument against the centrifuge guns is irrelavent. It would be impossible to use them against missiles in an SDI role, but this is not SDI. Doomingsland's projectiles were fired from satellites at satellites. They are in space, where there is no wind to disperse the bullets. Furthermore, the projectiles are massed, which makes them easier to hit.

As per the smart bullets, others seem to think they are possible in the My Rod's Bigger Than Yours (http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=286&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) discussion, and they are in service with other nations, notably Phoenixius' MierTech, which supplied me with much of my equipment. The bullets can only make minute changes.

The laser can switch targets every 0.2 seconds. That doesn't mean they do. Kreynoria's satellite network is enormous (I started it when I was a newb), and the defender satellites have interlocking lines of fire. More than one could attack the same projectile.

Finally, even if you ignore all three weapon systems, the defender satellites have the same radar and infrared signature as their partner. As explained in the post, only one is activated at a time, and once the attack was detected the defenders switched on while the normal satellites temporarily were turned off. Even if the weapons did nothing, almost all of the projectiles would have struck the defender satellites, hit the countermeasure drones, or missed altogether.

Yeah, um, anything Phoenix Militia has ever made was done so with a disregard for basic physics and the laws of thermodynamics, so claiming you use anything from him doesn't help your argument at all.

I'm going to step in as well on Doom/Tyrandis/everyone else’s behalf and say that TPM is one of the crappiest designers on NS, bless his heart, and the vast majority of the things he makes are impossible, muscled bullets included, and he absolutely refuses to take criticism on anything he makes. During the next engagement, I suggest buying from a reputable storefront such as Kriegzimmer, Dat Pizdy, PIW, and the tons of others out there.

Ummm...a couple of things. Firstly, he said Phoenixus, not The Pheonix Militia, and I happen to know for a fact that they are not the same people. Phoenixus' storefront, Mier Tech, is located somewhere on NS...I'd suggest you search it. Secondly, this is Earth II and you really shouldn't be posting here, if you know what I mean.

Either way, these designs are crap, I'm afraid to say.

Ummm...a couple of things. Firstly, he said Phoenixus, not The Pheonix Militia, and I happen to know for a fact that they are not the same people. Phoenixus' storefront, Mier Tech, is located somewhere on NS...I'd suggest you search it. Secondly, this is Earth II and you really shouldn't be posting here, if you know what I mean.

This is an OOC thread, which means I can post in it all I want.

Notice were it says [Earth II]

Kreynoria']Your argument against the centrifuge guns is irrelavent. It would be impossible to use them against missiles in an SDI role, but this is not SDI. Doomingsland's projectiles were fired from satellites at satellites. They are in space, where there is no wind to disperse the bullets. Furthermore, the projectiles are massed, which makes them easier to hit.

Uh... what?

You are not going to get good groupings with a centrifuge gun. Period. You're firing this from a satellite right? Newton's third law says your platform is going to buckle backwards under the recoil.

As per the smart bullets, others seem to think they are possible in the My Rod's Bigger Than Yours (http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=286&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) discussion, and they are in service with other nations, notably Phoenixius' MierTech, which supplied me with much of my equipment. The bullets can only make minute changes.

I read that topic, and I see NOTHING that claims 'electronic muscles' are able to somehow magically enable a bullet to manuever. Let alone the issue of needing to generate a force necessary to shift the acceleration vector of the CIWS shell. Or the issue that I already brought up, with control surfaces being too large to fit.

The laser can switch targets every 0.2 seconds. That doesn't mean they do. Kreynoria's satellite network is enormous (I started it when I was a newb), and the defender satellites have interlocking lines of fire. More than one could attack the same projectile.

In your original post, you claim: "The laser could engage up to five targets per second for fifty seconds; thus a total of two hundred fifty of the Doomani projectiles could be destroyed by a single defender satellite." And remember - Doom's Brilliant Pebbles are watermelon-sized, ultra-dense tungsten projectiles, a much, MUCH more difficult kill than a missile.

Electronic muscles simply wont work in SPACE, because there is nothing for any control surfaces to push against, even if they could be made to fit.
Centrifuge Guns simply wont work, youl probably get more rounds hitting the firing platform than the target.
You dont have power supply (Whether electrical or chemical) to destroy more than two or three missiles each

This is an OOC thread, which means I can post in it all I want.

This is my OOC thread, and I'm asking you not to post in it.

Okay, IDIOTS, read the damn thread title.

And another note, go fuck off. This isn't concerning you, and learn how to read. Still amazing how illiterate everyone here is.

Yeah, um, anything Phoenix Militia has ever made was done so with a disregard for basic physics and the laws of thermodynamics, so claiming you use anything from him doesn't help your argument at all.


Phoenixius, not Phoenix Militia. Phoenix Militia's stuff is crap. Phoenixius ran a storefront called MierTech.

As stated previously, I refuse to post until Kreynoria answers.

Concerning DP's last post.

1. I demand an explanation as to how you managed to sneak a fleet into visual range of my coastline without being engaged by land-based interdiction aircraft, naval assets, air defenses, or for that matter managing to even get that close without being spotted by my extensive surveillance network involving AEW patrols, SOSUS lines, OTH-B RADAR, and orbital infrared satellites.

2. I further demand an explanation as to how you magically transported your "2nd army" into Terronian, with nary a message to back it up.

And again, I refuse to post further until Kreynoria explains how his lasers are supposed to have enough power to vaporize Doom's projectiles in 0.2s of fire.

[size=1]Concerning DP's last post.

1. I demand an explanation as to how you managed to sneak a fleet into visual range of my coastline without being engaged by land-based interdiction aircraft, naval assets, air defenses, or for that matter managing to even get that close without being spotted by my extensive surveillance network involving AEW patrols, SOSUS lines, OTH-B RADAR, and orbital infrared satellites.

2. I further demand an explanation as to how you magically transported your "2nd army" into Terronian, with nary a message to back it up./size]

Answer to 1: You havnt been in australia long enough to set up a extensive surveillance network involving AEW patrols, SOSUS lines, OTH-B RADAR, and orbital infrared satellites. And if you wanted to stop my fleet you should of stated that after my last post. when i wasnt that far away. That was my semi entry into your territory. Seeing you didnt respond to that with any resistance I just moved my fleet in for the strike. And I belive your fleet is alittle to far away to stop me from landing. And if you want to bring aircraft into the picture you can But I will ust shoot them down.

Answer to 2: I have previouse permission form Terronian to fly in troops for this invasion.

And again, I refuse to post further until Kreynoria explains how his lasers are supposed to have enough power to vaporize Doom's projectiles in 0.2s of fire.[/size]

And if you want to whine about Krey dont take it out on me and ruin this rp.

Answer to 1: You havnt been in australia long enough to set up a extensive surveillance network involving AEW patrols, SOSUS lines, OTH-B RADAR, and orbital infrared satellites. And if you wanted to stop my fleet you should of stated that after my last post. when i wasnt that far away. That was my semi entry into your territory. Seeing you didnt respond to that with any resistance I just moved my fleet in for the strike. And I belive your fleet is alittle to far away to stop me from landing. And if you want to bring aircraft into the picture you can But I will ust shoot them down.

Answer to 2: I have previouse permission form Terronian to fly in troops for this invasion.

1. I have been in Australia longer than you were in EII. Furthermore, the aforementioned surveillance systems do not take very long to set up; OTH-B can be erected in a matter of months, as well as SOSUS, and I've RPed having Airborne Early Warning and orbital infrared since before you joined EII. Furthermore, you never once bothered to bloody state your position off my shores, preferring instead to use an atrociously written dialogue to make vague and unhelpful statements regarding fleet disposition. Not to mention, my 3,000 ship fleet is sitting off Melville Is. and has been doing so since the war began.

2. So you got permission to fly in troops. Did you RP their mobilization? No. Stop pulling this bullshit out of your ass.

1. I have been in Australia longer than you were in EII. Furthermore, the aforementioned surveillance systems do not take very long to set up; OTH-B can be erected in a matter of months, as well as SOSUS, and I've RPed having Airborne Early Warning and orbital infrared since before you joined EII. Furthermore, you never once bothered to bloody state your position off my shores, preferring instead to use an atrociously written dialogue to make vague and unhelpful statements regarding fleet disposition. Not to mention, my 3,000 ship fleet is sitting off Melville Is. and has been doing so since the war began.

2. So you got permission to fly in troops. Did you RP their mobilization? No. Stop pulling this bullshit out of your ass.

I do not need an rp to depoly them and again I had a post saying I was getting close. Did you chose to stop me? No you didnt.

Right.

So he doesn't need to RP having ships surround your major ports, it's ok for them just to appear randomly?

Sounds cool to me.

Let me start by saying that I am so glad I'm not a part of this RP!

DP, you cannot just suddenly say that your ships are there and there. You do have to RP it. Here's a serious suggestion for you: go read the stickies which involve RPs. Perhaps you'll learn something.

Let me start by saying that I am so glad I'm not a part of this RP!

DP, you cannot just suddenly say that your ships are there and there. You do have to RP it. Here's a serious suggestion for you: go read the stickies which involve RPs. Perhaps you'll learn something.

I didnt just say my ships are there. As I said about 5 times I had a post saying Im getting closer. If he wanted to stop me he could of stoped me then. But he didnt so I decided to land my troops. I did not just make my ships appear.

Heres the post again if he wanted to stop me he should of said it after this:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11155923&postcount=125

I didnt just say my ships are there. As I said about 5 times I had a post saying Im getting closer. If he wanted to stop me he could of stoped me then. But he didnt so I decided to land my troops. I did not just make my ships appear.

As I stated previously :

Furthermore, you never once bothered to [b]bloody state your position off my shores, preferring instead to use an atrociously written dialogue to make vague and unhelpful statements regarding fleet disposition.

Also, FIX YOUR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT.

As I stated previously :

Furthermore, you never once bothered to [b]bloody state your position off my shores, preferring instead to use an atrociously written dialogue to make vague and unhelpful statements regarding fleet disposition.

Also, FIX YOUR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT.

Seriously if all you can find wrong about my post is my spelling and grammar. Then you have a problem. My post efficiently stated were my fleet was. But since you are having a problem reading I will edit it to make it more clearer.

The australian coastline is massive. It would help if you said for instance "the fleet was 100 miles east/south/north/west of Sydney/Melbourne/Hobart/Brisbane/whatever" instead of just "100 miles off the australian coastline." Details do help the RP immensely.

The australian coastline is massive. It would help if you said for instance "the fleet was 100 miles east/south/north/west of Sydney/Melbourne/Hobart/Brisbane/whatever" instead of just "100 miles off the australian coastline." Details do help the RP immensely.

Ok thanks for the help.

Ok there Ive edited my posts as far as I can. Can we please get on with this without ruining it any futher?

(in response to DP's latest post on the IC thread)

ooc: as if that's going to help. I think a bigger problem is Huahin getting his dumb ass forumbanned for a week and probably thrown out of E2. also, Doom is on vacation. I think we should consider the RP to be on hold. I will make an IC post in response to Doom's tomorrow to help keep things moving, but don't expect much to happen.

I think that you'll find that if you actually make the effort to meet Tyrandis halfway and have a discussion* that you can work out the discrepancies with your posts. You might even find that you don't hate each other quite so much as you thought.

Take a look at what Doom and I have done. After out first posts were prety far apart from each others in what was going on, we discussed things, both thougt it through reasonably and now our part of the RP had been running smoothly. Why don't you try it out.

*Note, I said discussion, not argument, not even debate.

(in response to DP's latest post on the IC thread)

ooc: as if that's going to help. I think a bigger problem is Huahin getting his dumb ass forumbanned for a week and probably thrown out of E2. also, Doom is on vacation. I think we should consider the RP to be on hold. I will make an IC post in response to Doom's tomorrow to help keep things moving, but don't expect much to happen.

I think that you'll find that if you actually make the effort to meet Tyrandis halfway and have a discussion* that you can work out the discrepancies with your posts. You might even find that you don't hate each other quite so much as you thought.

Take a look at what Doom and I have done. After out first posts were prety far apart from each others in what was going on, we discussed things, both thougt it through reasonably and now our part of the RP had been running smoothly. Why don't you try it out.

*Note, I said discussion, not argument, not even debate.

The thing is is tyrandis wont reply to anything. So this rp wont get far.

The thing is is tyrandis wont reply to anything. So this rp wont get far.

In what ways have you attempted to contact Tyrandis?

In what ways have you attempted to contact Tyrandis?

Every post in this thread and the IC thread. But he still comes back with his, your godmodding and the you cant spell ploy.

Every post in this thread and the IC thread. But he still comes back with his, your godmodding and the you cant spell ploy.

Have you tried sending him a TG?

Have you attempted to contact him via instant messaging?

Have you tried sending him a TG?

Have you attempted to contact him via instant messaging?

Dont have his AIM and I wouldnt even bother TGing him hes only going to say the same thing.

Dont have his AIM and I wouldnt even bother TGing him hes only going to say the same thing.

See, this is exactly what I'm saying. You're all being so unwilling to compromise that you've given up even talking to each other and attempting to fix the RP. You are here on NS to RP correct? That's kind of the whole point. I'm not saying you're the only one at fault, but i am saying that you have a significant portion of the blame.

Let's face it, your excuse for suddenly having your fleet off his coast is pretty weak.

See, this is exactly what I'm saying. You're all being so unwilling to compromise that you've given up even talking to each other and attempting to fix the RP. You are here on NS to RP correct? That's kind of the whole point. I'm not saying you're the only one at fault, but i am saying that you have a significant portion of the blame.

Let's face it, your excuse for suddenly having your fleet off his coast is pretty weak.

If you havnt seen Ive fixed that problom.

If you havnt seen Ive fixed that problom.

You still have failed to explain how your fleet got from the middle of the Indian Ocean to 100 miles off of Tyrandis' coast.

Its not that far away, Would you like me to rp evey inch.

Its not that far away, Would you like me to rp evey inch.

No, but 100 miles is way too close. RADAR would easily detect your fleet, especially with that monstrosity of a battlecruiser you're driving, at over 500 miles. You should have RPed your fleet coming into RADAR contact range, because that is as far as they would be able to go without Tyrandis responding to their prescence and you cannot anticipate exactly what that response will be.

No, but 100 miles is way too close. RADAR would easily detect your fleet, especially with that monstrosity of a battlecruiser you're driving, at over 500 miles. You should have RPed your fleet coming into RADAR contact range, because that is as far as they would be able to go without Tyrandis responding to their prescence and you cannot anticipate exactly what that response will be.

Yes but he never responded. So I just moved in.

Yes but he never responded. So I just moved in.

When did he not respond? You never RPed your fleet at the edge of RADAR range, they just moved from the middle of the Indian Ocean to 100 miles off his coast.

When did he not respond? You never RPed your fleet at the edge of RADAR range, they just moved from the middle of the Indian Ocean to 100 miles off his coast.

I wasnt in the middle of the ocean. I moved to 100 Miles the coast. I just never made it clear in the post how far they made it to.

I wasnt in the middle of the ocean. I was 100 Miles te whole time. I just never made it clear.

Well that's the whole problem. Very little is made clear in your posts. If you had made it clear that you were within Tyrandis's RADAR range he would have responded, but since you didn't, he assumed that you weren't. It's your responsibility in an RP to let other people know exactly where your forces are.

Well that's the whole problem. Very little is made clear in your posts. If you had made it clear that you were within Tyrandis's RADAR range he would have responded, but since you didn't, he assumed that you weren't. It's your responsibility in an RP to let other people know exactly where your forces are.

Yes I know so thats why I edited my post to make it clear.

Yes I know so thats why I edited my post to make it clear.

Editing posts you made a while ago to justify the ones you just made is a very bad policy in RP. But all that aside you're still missing one point. Even if you were 100 miles away the whole time, how did you get there without Tyrandis reacting?

I would suggest deleting your two more recent posts altogether and going back and greatly expanding the first post you made about your fleet moving to the indian ocean.

Editing posts you made a while ago to justify the ones you just made is a very bad policy in RP. But all that aside you're still missing one point. Even if you were 100 miles away the whole time, how did you get there without Tyrandis reacting?

I would suggest deleting your two more recent posts altogether and going back and greatly expanding the first post you made about your fleet moving to the indian ocean.

Good idea.

Good idea.

Alright, If you'll do that, and attempt to be much more detailed and more clear in your future posts. I will talk with Tyrandis and try to get him back posting again.

This is ridiculous. This has lingered on for months without a serious post, so right now we need to either get it started again or sign a peace treaty and get this fucking war over. I am willing to take back the tracer bullets and centrifuge guns so we can actually RP, and take more satellite casualties.

Kreynoria']This is ridiculous. This has lingered on for months without a serious post, so right now we need to either get it started again or sign a peace treaty and get this fucking war over. I am willing to take back the tracer bullets and centrifuge guns so we can actually RP, and take more satellite casualties.

Sorry about the massive delay. Jolt is still fucking with my connection.

Sorry about the massive delay. Jolt is still fucking with my connection.

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