NationStates Jolt Archive

E2 Trade Routes Map (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)

This is just a start, as you can see it will become quite chaotic.

For the moment this is just listing naval trade routes, if there's room on this I will add land to it otherwise I will make a seperate one listing land routes. Air routes will be somewhat pointless, but getting a listing of major airports would be helpful.

As far as the funny lines go, the more the better. However, it is also important that you have a good ammount of ports in your nation because if you just have one big port (like my northern section) it will be incredibly busy, less efficient, and leave your nation more vulnerable (if you only have one or two major ports and they get destroyed early in a war you could be screwed)

For simplicities' sake I've set up 'gateway' ports to my nation. Male in Maldives, for instance is a check point between any Indian Ocean nation and Bjornoyan Africa. In Male ships will be refueled, and their cargo check there for security before being sent to the mainland. Although the port is very large it also helps prevent terrorist attacks from occuring on the mainland. Also, for the map's practicality I don't have to draw lines from each port to each other port, but instead I can connect each to the 'gateway' port and then connect other ports to the 'gateway' port.

Confused? Take the Cocos Islands. Before they were small and worthless. Now they will eventually serve as an 'gateway' port for mild ammount of trade between Australian nation and Bjornoyan Africa. So any ship carrying cargo to Bjornoyan Africa from Australia will stop at Cocos Islands to be checked and refueled before being sent off to unload their cargo freely in Bjornoyan Africa.

The reason this is important is first an acknowledgement that no nation is entirelly self sufficient. One should have a good idea of what their nation can export and what their nation must import. For instance, in the north where I have little fertile ground I must import food to sustain the population. I do however have excess ammounts of metals, natural gas, oil etc. that I can export. Also this will show potential targets during conflict (i.e. destroying most of a nation's ports could ruin them in a long-term conflict)

Anyway, what I need from most people is a list of major ports in their nation that they would like shown on this map, along with any 'gateway' ports (you can finally have a use for those worthless little islands) and also a list of what nations you are not currently trading with. (if no list is posted it is assumed your nation is trading some resources with all other nations unless currently at war) If nation A says they are tradign with nation B, but nation B says they are not trading with nation A no trade will occur between these nations. (No lines will be drawn between their ports)

If your nation's coast is entirelly frozen over coasts (i.e. has no ports) it is assumed all trade comes and goes via airports. If you want a port listed here it must not be frozen over in RL, or prove you have found a way to avoid the ice problem without melting the freagin' ice-caps.

Nations Bjornoya is Currently Trading With:

Rome (FT)
Hirgizstan (FT)
USB (FT)
Neuvo Rica (FT)
Cotland(FT)
Fourth Reich (FT)
Kreynoria (FT)
Hawdawg (FT)
Layarteb(FT)
Soviet Bloc
Pantheaa (FT?)
Elephantum (FT)
Marimaia
Pyschotika
Squornshelous
Terronian
Safehaven2
Chronosia
Genetican
Huahin
Ottoman Khaif
Dwelapelphia Prime (FT)
Brydog
TLS
Varsola

*(FT) denotes nations I have free-trade agreements with, and in this case will either not need to pass through security 'gateway' ports or will spend less time there so long as they were checked before leaving original port to help with efficiency.

Cymrea's gateway ports are: Azuria, for all of Roman Columbia (formerly British Columbia); Viridia, for Christmas Island; Kingston, for Norfolk Island; and Batticaloa, for all of Cymrea's Sri Lankan territories.

Cymrea honours all trade agreement made by Rome, including free trade, and hopefully he can tell me who those are...:p So far, I'm only aware of Bjornoya. Those with free trade agreements may call at any port in Cymrean territory, others must call at gateway ports.

In addition, if one does not already exist with Rome, Cymrea considers USB one of the countries with which is has free trade.

OOC

Question -

So...is this based off of realistic trade, or trade that you know of?

Because, I'd say that there would be a Merchant Ship trading route between Tokyo Harbor and Los Angeles, Ports in Alaska and Tokyo Harbor, and etc. There would be a bit more in the Pacific as well, I guess everyone should get together on this *those who are concerned* so we have just about every trade route up >>

OOC Oh wait..nvm, is this map mostly your trade routes and how they connect with other nations, or what?

This is just a starting representation, for now most of my trade routes are shown because I know them but I'm asking the rest of E2 for more information so I can add more routes and ports (i.e. Pacific and more American ports)

If this is done right trade in the Pacific will be as cluttered as it is now in the Atlantic.

Yea, I slowly began to realize a bit...decided to read the whole post too. Anyways, this is very very cool.

So this is for the E20 bit right? Let me get out a small list of ports for an island nation. THis is gonna be long.

So this is for the E20 bit right? Let me get out a small list of ports for an island nation. THis is gonna be long.

No, wrong Earth, this is E2, not E20

Major ports of the UER:

Hong Kong
Shanghai
Qingdao
Pusan
Haiphong

Gateway Ports:

Kao-hsiung (Taiwan)
Majuro (Marshall Islands)
Singapore
Manila (Philippines)

The UER trades with just about everyone if they're not at war; I'll get the list of FTAs we have and add them to this post afterwards.

The Realm of Cotland wishes to sign a free-trade agreement with the Patriarchal (sp?) Federation of Bjornoya. This will significantly reduce tarrifs in trade with our two nations and help boost not only the Cottish, but also the Bjornoyan economy and markets. We await your decision.

[signed]
The Realm of Cotland

Major Ports of the Realm

Norway
Oslo (to some extent)
Bergen
Stavanger
Trondheim
Ålesund
Bodø
Tromsø
Egypt/Israel
Alexandria
Suez
Port Said
Elat
Tel Aviv
Gaza City
Cyprus
Polis
Xeros
Larnaca
Caribbean
Bridgetown
Castries

Oh, sorry.

Don't we have a FTA?

[SIZE="3"]Major Ports of the Eurasia

Turkey

Istanbul
Izmir

Syria/Lebanon

Beriut

Iraq

Basra

Iran

Abadan
Bushehr
Bandar Abbas

Pakistan

Karachi

Arabia

Jiddah

Trade agreements with the following nations
Hirgizstan
Layarteb
Soviet Bloc
Safehaven 2
Doomingland

and many more to come when I remember who else I trade with on E2.

Since when have I been trading with you Bjorn?

@Lay & Cot: Yeah, I think we have one, so long as you agree I'm cool with it.

@Huahin: Well, since we haven't been at war and haven't been on unfriendly terms, read above (if nothing is stated it is assumed nations are trading some resources) But if you wanna be an ass and embargo my nation go right ahead, just tell me. And do you have a port anywhere?

@O.K. FTA not sure about but trade (i.e. no embargo) is open between the Federation and Eurasia.

Ports for me?

Well just think of everything along the eastern coast of the United States, the Caribbean, northeastern Canada, Iceland, Ireland, and Central America. There's just TOO many to list.

For the States Lay I'd list at most one per state, and at tops two per country in S.A. A handful of Carribean ones, and maybe some 'gateway' ports if you have some unused small islands in either the Carribean or Pacific. I think Iceland needs one and I think only one can fit on Ireland.

@Cot: Can't fit three ports on Cyprus, so went with one, Lancaras cuz it looked the biggest.

Hmm, some of the Major ports in Squornshelous are Anchorage and Nome in Alaska, Rankin Inlet on Hudson Bay, and Anadyr on the Bering Sea. Malta and Wake Island also function as gateway ports.

Squornshelous trades with just about every nation on E2, with the recent exception of members of KAIN (Tyrandis, Doomingsland, OK, Safehaven2), and we have free trade with members of Pacifinesia (UER, Japan, Huahin, Terronian, Kreynoria).

Some of our major trade routes go from:
Anadyr to Kobe, Pusan, Honolulu, Shanghai and Nome.
Anchorage to Honolulu, Lima Los Angeles and Wake Island.
Rankin Inlet to Layarteb City, Houston, Casablanca, Malta, Antwerp Hamburg, Bergen and Felixstowe.
Wake Island to Tanjung, Manilla, Hong Kong, Kobe as well as Terronian's major ports in Australia, Kreynoria's south pacific ports, any Huahinian ports in Antarctica.
Malta to Rome, Tripoli, Algeciras, Alexandria, and Algiers (provided Algiers belongs to NG, not Doom).

Havana, Cuba, Caribbean
Labrador City, Labrador, Dnalkrad
Keflavik, Iceland, Iceland
Dublin, Ireland, Ireland
Charleston, South Carolina, Layarteb
Falcon City (Boston), Massachusettes, Layarteb
Miami, Florida, Layarteb
Caracas, Venezuela, South Eastern Virginia
Panama City, Panama, Ynoga

I'll add more when I'm not tired

Major Neuvo Rican Ports:

(And the destinations they trade with)

Brazil

- Salvador (You put that one down)(Also trades with Walvis Bay and Capetown)
- Fortaleza (Recife, Rio De Janeiro, Dubai, Algeciras)
- Belem (Same except Dubai)
- Sao Luis (Same Except Dubai)

Brunei

-Brunei (Hong Kong, Shangahi, Kaohshiung, Tomasina and Pusan)

Bulgaria

-Varna (Algiers, Algeciras, Any of NG's ports on the black sea)
-Burgas (Likewise)

Comoros:

-Moroni (Dar Es Salaam, Mombasa, Zanzibar, Mogadishu, Tomasina, Maputo)

Mexico:

-Acapulco (The UER)
-Chetumal (Algeciras, Bioko, Porto Nova)

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg Port Listings

England
-Cardiff
-Liverpool(Largest container facility in England)
-Edinburg(2nd only to Liverpool in daily imports/exports)
-Felixstone

Sweden
-Stockholm(Largest container facility in Sweden)
-Goteborg(2nd largest container facility in Sweden)
-Malmo
-Umea
-Halmstad
-Kalmar
-Lulea
-Sundsvall

Finland
-Helsinki
-Turku
-Vaasa
-Oulu

Morocco
-Tangier(Huge container terminal, 2nd terminal being constructed)
-Rabat(modest shipping capacity being expanded)
-Casablanca(good shipping capacity, being expanded)
-El Jadida

Fiji
-Suva(the only trade terminal in Fiji)

Papua New Guinea
-Port Moresby (the name says it all)
-Madang
-Rabaul
-Daru
-Kieta

Texas
-Houston(2nd largest dry goods port next to Layarteb City)
-Galveston(largest agricultural commodities port in Texas)
-Corpus Christi(largest gasoline export location in Texas)
-Texas City(refinery row sits here. Diesel fuel oil export hub)
-Freeport(petrochemical export hub)
-Beaumont(petrochemical export hub)

@Huahin: Well, since we haven't been at war and haven't been on unfriendly terms, read above (if nothing is stated it is assumed nations are trading some resources) But if you wanna be an ass and embargo my nation go right ahead, just tell me. And do you have a port anywhere?

No I'm not embargoing your nation, even after the Lang report, I just wasn't aware we were trading.
Huahin trades with just about every nation on E2, with the recent exception of members of KAIN (Tyrandis, Doomingsland, OK, Safehaven2), and we have free trade with members of Pacifinesia (UER, Japan, Squornshelous, Terronian, Kreynoria).

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If your nation's coast is entirelly frozen over coasts (i.e. has no ports) it is assumed all trade comes and goes via airports. If you want a port listed here it must not be frozen over in RL, or prove you have found a way to avoid the ice problem without melting the freagin' ice-caps.

Hehe, I missed this part. All my internal trade, and a certain amount of external trade is done with flying boats, or WiG effect craft.

COH Port Listings:

Africa (West Coast):
Dakar
St. Louis
Banjul
Bissau
Conakry
Kamsar
Freetown
Lungi
Shenge
Sulima
Monrovia

Africa (Cape Verde):
Hirgizstan City (Praia)
Mindela (Sao Vincente)
Porto Novo (Santo Antao)
Tarrafal (Santo Antao)
Juncalhino (Sao Nicolau)
Santa Maria (Sal)
Sai Rei (Boa Vista)
Vila Do Maio (Maio)
Sao Filipe (Fogo)
Mosteiros (Fogo)



Africa (North Coast):
Tripoli
Misratah
Surt
Al-Sidrah
Banghazi (Bengazi)
Susah
Tobruk

Africa (East Coast):
Port Sudan
Sawakin
Tokar
Massawa
T'i'o (Tio)
Assab
Khor Angar
Obock
Djibouti
Tadjoura

Greece:
Alexandroupolis
Kavala
Thessaloniki (Thessalonica)
Mitilini (Lesvos Island)
Rhodes (Island of Rhodes)

Crete:
Kastellion
Sitia

Russia:
Salekhard (Kara Sea)
Astrakhan (Caspian Sea)

Seychelles:
Victoria
Takamaka

Pacific Ocean:
Pitcairn
Howland



COH Free Trade Agreements:

Bjornoya
Cotland
Hawdawg
Layarteb
North Germania
Nuevo Rica
Ottoman Khaif
Pyschotika
Rome
Soviet Bloc
USB

COH Provisional Trade Agreements:

Cymrea

DISCLAIMER: Nations not listed above DO NOT have the right to trade with the COH and DO NOT have the right to use our ports. Citizens from nations not listed are also NOT allowed to reside within the COH for any amount of time, whether tourists or otherwise. Nations not listed above CANNOT have an embassy/consul/mission in the COH.

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/WorldTradeRoutes6-2.PNG)

As you can see it is getting very crowded in certain areas (Norway) which is good for the nation (more trade). The name 'Stavanger' got buried by massive ammounts of trade routes.

Hopefully the map will still be somewhat legible when this is done.

@Huahin: Don't blame me if your nation is cold and has limited resources, not my fault, I just spit back numbers on that report. Sheesh, kill the messanger why dontcha.

@Hawdawg: Have yet to add your ports as some will need to be cut (as I have done with other nations) If a port is close to another so that their 'points' will overlap on the map I'll just go with one. I added Felixstowe, Suffix because it was listed as the largest port in the U.K. and Houston as well because it was listed as having a large port.

So far Indian Ocean is dominated by Pacifensia, KAIN(???) <->Southern/Central Africa trade network, S.Atlantic is dominated by R.C.<->TATO network, N.Atlantic by TOA trade network. Pacific needs to be cluttered as the other 2 are.

I'm still waiting for some nations to confirm they are or are not trading with other nations, so it's only a fraction of the way completed.

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/WorldTradeRoutes6-2.PNG)





@Hawdawg: Have yet to add your ports as some will need to be cut (as I have done with other nations) If a port is close to another so that their 'points' will overlap on the map I'll just go with one. I added Felixstowe, Suffix because it was listed as the largest port in the U.K. and Houston as well because it was listed as having a large port.



That's fine but remember Texas City is relatively close to Houston and it still supplies over 60% of US gasoline in RL. Very important refinery center. Hell the main street through Texas City is slangly called refinery row. Corpus Christi also is a hub for Valero USA aka Diamond Shamrock of old and they import huge amounts of unrefined crude into it for gasoline production.

Also would like to remind folks I do have a canal that spans from St. Petersburg area into the arctic ocean via the karelia republic. It is a very useable trading route with very reasonable fees for tonnage transported through the system.

-Hawdawg

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/WorldTradeRoutes6-2.PNG)

As you can see it is getting very crowded in certain areas (Norway) which is good for the nation (more trade). The name 'Stavanger' got buried by massive ammounts of trade routes.

Hopefully the map will still be somewhat legible when this is done.

@Huahin: Don't blame me if your nation is cold and has limited resources, not my fault, I just spit back numbers on that report. Sheesh, kill the messanger why dontcha.

@Hawdawg: Have yet to add your ports as some will need to be cut (as I have done with other nations) If a port is close to another so that their 'points' will overlap on the map I'll just go with one. I added Felixstowe, Suffix because it was listed as the largest port in the U.K. and Houston as well because it was listed as having a large port.

So far Indian Ocean is dominated by Pacifensia, KAIN(???) <->Southern/Central Africa trade network, S.Atlantic is dominated by R.C.<->TATO network, N.Atlantic by TOA trade network. Pacific needs to be cluttered as the other 2 are.

I'm still waiting for some nations to confirm they are or are not trading with other nations, so it's only a fraction of the way completed.

Don't add anything of mine yet I'll get something up that makes sense. It was like 4a when I put that up, was tired, yeah.

It is important to remember this is a map of trade routes, not ports. If a route would appear to go to the same place (and thus the lines/trade routes appear exactly the same) because the ports are so close to eachother on the map please do not list them.

I still need lists from people of nations you are willing or not willing to trade with as well.

If no list is posted I will assume you are willing to trade with every nation you are not currently at war with.

Important:

Cotland: Could I please get a list of all nations that are allowed access to the Suez Canal (or a list of all nations not allowed, whichever is easier)

Lay: Same thing but I need with Panama Canal.

Major Ports (* Denotes Gateway Port)
Atlantic Republic

Las Palmas, Gran Canaria, Canary Islands
Funchal, Madeira, Madeira Islands


Caribbean Republic

Havana, Cuba
Kingston, Jamaica*
Port-of-Spain, Trinidad
Santo Domingo, Hispanola


Icelandic Republic

Keflavik, Iceland*


Irish Republic

Dublin, Ireland
Galway, Ireland


Pacific Republic

Kapa'a, Kauai, Hawaii*
Waimea, Kauai, Hawaii


Province of Dnalkrad

Godthåb, Greenland
Halifax, Nova Scotia*
Labrador City (Goose Bay), Labrador
Quebec City, Quebec


Province of Layarteb

Charleston, South Carolina*
Falcon City (Boston), Massachusettes
Layarteb City (New York City), New York
Miami, Florida
Mobile, Alabama
Portland, Maine


Province of South Eastern Virginia

Caracas, Venezuela
Cayenne, French Guiana
Georgetown, Guyana*
Guayaquil, Ecuador
Lima, Peru


Province of Ynoga

Belize City, Belize
Panama City, Panama
Progreso, Yucatán
Puerto Limón, Costa Rica*
San Salvador, El Salvador


Trading Partners (* denotes active Free Trade Agreement)

Bjornoya*
Cotland*
Cymrea
Doomingsland
Elephantum
Hawdawg*
Hirgizstan*
Kreynoria
Marimaia*
Neuvo Rica*
North Germania*
Ottoman Khaif*
Pyschotika
RomeW*
Soviet Bloc*
Squornshelous
The Lightning Star
United States of Brink*


Panama Canal

As dictated by Article VI, Section II of the Doctrine of Sovereignty
Passage to the Panama Canal may only be done by two approved routes, which will be monitored by the Imperial Layartebian Navy. Any foreign vessels disguised as civilian vessels committing acts of espionage will be capture or sunk accordingly. Passage to military vessels remains restricted. Passage by any foreign vessel requires the approval of the Layartebian government.
The Empire curently restricts no nations from passing at the moment. Military passage is restricted to only the Empire and the member states of the October Alliance. Military passage to other nations is currently restricted. Passage for civilian and merchant vessels is unrestricted to any nation.

Side Note About International Trade

The Empire reserves the right to search every vessel and cargo container that comes into its ports, regardless of a Free Trade Agreement or not. Between 90% to 97% of the containers are checked routinely. Suspicious cargo is often not allowed into the port at the owner's expense.

List of Imperium Held Ports

Japan

Indonesia

Australia

Pacific

And I'll update this later.

Nuevo Rica (Do we have an FTA because of the PEC-


We do now.

Thanks dude.

No problems.

@bjorn:

If you could link some of my ports to the EOL and Hirgizstan, it'd be much appreciated.

Well, at present the canal is just reopening for traffic after the whole TLS-dogpile thingy. The only ones not allowed access are nations hostile towards the Realm or otherwise untrustworthy. Until recently, Pantheaa topped that list, but now I'm not entirely sure who is hostile towards the Realm. Kreynoria perhaps...?

@Cotland: Alright, so Kreynoria can't use the Suez?

@Neuvo Rica: Sure, no worries I'll take care of where the connections will be. So far I have you trading with the RC, TATO, and Layarteb. If other nations confirm trading with NR I shall add them automatically.

@Ottoman Khaif: Are we trading or not? And I need a list of what nation are or are not allowed to use the Bosphorus.

I still need confirmation from many people concerning which nations you are or are not tradign with

Bjorn, it appears I have no trade routes with Rome, but I have an FTA with him, so if your updating any time soon could you link some of my ports with his? Thanks dude.

Bjorn, it appears I have no trade routes with Rome, but I have an FTA with him, so if your updating any time soon could you link some of my ports with his? Thanks dude.

Sorry, didn't see Rome on the list.

@Cotland: Alright, so Kreynoria can't use the Suez?
Not sure. Depends on his Government's position to the Realm and its policies...

@Kreynoria: So what is the official government opinion of the Empire?

@Ottoman Khaif: Are we trading or not? And I need a list of what nation are or are not allowed to use the Bosphorus.

I still need confirmation from many people concerning which nations you are or are not tradign with

Yes we are trading with you, Bjornoya. As for the Bosphorus, any civilian ships have free passage thought the Bosphorus. But no Non-Eurasian Warships are premit to use the Bosphorus, unless they are close allies of my nation, but they still have to ask for premission first.

As for who I don't trade with...I guess anyone that I am at war with. So for now I am trading with everyone. I guess.

Due to me being at war with Doomingsland, does that not put me at war with you?

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)

Restarted, and think it looks a bit cleaner.

Carribean is a work of art, and at least names of ports fill be much easier to tell.

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)

Restarted, and think it looks a bit cleaner.

Carribean is a work of art, and at least names of ports fill be much easier to tell.

Whose the center of trade now bitches!

Meh, once the shit storm calms down I'm sure you'll see way more in Asia.

Yeah, there'll be much more trade in the Pacific once we're done beating the crap out of each other.

If there is anything left.

Well, if you guys blow eachother off the face of the planet, or even one side gets destroyed it will make my job a lot easier.

Keep up the good work! Go, fight, kill!

Well, if you guys blow eachother off the face of the planet, or even one side gets destroyed it will make my job a lot easier.

Keep up the good work! Go, fight, kill!

HAHA that's funny.

How come I'm not trading with Lay in the new map? Or anyone in the TOA for that matter? It also appears that I'm trading with Varsola, who I don't trade with.
Is the new map just something for regional trade, or by 'restart' do you mean you've started the whole thing again?

@Hirg:I thought we had an FTA.


((Could you mark me as NR on the next update Bjorn? UK is a relic of the olden days))

New map is good, but you left off all English, Swedish, and Finnish Ports of call (Liverpool, Felixstone, Helsinki, Stockholm). At least give me a couple in those regions. I have a substaintal trade network with TOA nations and many others. I know that we still trade with RomeW.


-Hawdawg

@Neuvo Rica- we do have an FTA, I forgot United Khanates is you, I got used to Neuvo Rica!

New map is good, but you left off all English, Swedish, and Finnish Ports of call (Liverpool, Felixstone, Helsinki, Stockholm). At least give me a couple in those regions. I have a substaintal trade network with TOA nations and many others. I know that we still trade with RomeW.


-Hawdawg

It's in progress. Notice Asia has no trade routes, I decided to restart after the old map broke because some people wanted to have ports too close to one another.

New map fixes problem with enforced imaginary 'checkpoints' (see coast of Texas or North Africa) where a group of ports close to one another appear to have the exact same routes so map doesn't get cluttered, and the openings in the Mediterranean and Carribean don't look like one giant chaotic black line.

Seeing as my land doesn't have any RL ports, or even cities, I'll have to make it up, how shall I explain where the cities are though...?

Would it be too late for me to have you add Murmansk to the list of trading ports...?

@Huahin: Port will most likely be in inlets that have geographical names. (blah-blah Inlet etc.)

Send me a link of whatever map you use for your ports so we're on the same page. And if you could get some on Antarctica too it would make the map look a bit more cluttered down there.

@Cotland: Can do, only things I can't change are removing ports or renaming.

Latest Edition
(http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)
This is a work in Progress

Still the uberest of Trade.

Its cool that I can easily cut off Bjornoyas trade with a naval embargo...

I should mount some big-ass artillery in Murmansk that has the range to hit Esthar too. That should get me some good deals with Bjornoya.... jk

We can always use the White Sea Canal, which actually will be used as much if not more than the northern route due to ice-debris.

Or we could use the Eurasian Line to get our goods. Or we could use neighboring HD or Hirgizstani Ports.

(I got most of the possible scenarios covered)

And many nations would not take kindly to their investment being threatened. Bjornyoa is like a slightly more agressive version of RL Switzerland. We take care of everbody's money, make them filthy rich, and try to stay away from the heavy fighting.

Try to embargo me. Good luck at that!

It is doable.

... if you have like a thousand submarines and even more frigates, destroyers, cruisers, carriers and battleships. Ok, and don't forget arsenal ships and aircraft.

@Neuvo Rica- we do have an FTA, I forgot United Khanates is you, I got used to Neuvo Rica!

hehe. NR's the right one I need to get the UK thing sorted out.

@bjorn: PLease oculd you mark my territories as being NR - not UK. Ta.

Meh, Major Ports (all internationally trading):
* Varsola City (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
* Najalo (Montevieo, Uruguay)
* Jer City (Viedma, Argentina)
* Rawson City (Rawson, Argentina)
* Niost City (Stanley, the Falkland Isles)
* New Najalo (Saunders Isle, the Falkland Isles)

Random Notes:
* Hirgy; I seem to remember signing a trading pact with you, right when we formed an alliance. Right or no?
* See above, except substitute your name in.
* I think I trade with NR, too.
* And Brinkman.
* India and my Mexican territory are connected via land; no major ports there.

Varsola, I annulled anything I signed with you because of your inactivity.
Bjorn, I do not trade with Varsola.

Still the uberest of Trade.

Actually, you are probably the worst. All your trade routes are mostly internally, which is a bad thing for you. You most likely lose a gain in domestic product because of the money you spend on getting your own transports and helping with foreign ones get from one of your ports to another one of your ports.

Actually, you are probably the worst. All your trade routes are mostly internally, which is a bad thing for you. You most likely lose a gain in domestic product because of the money you spend on getting your own transports and helping with foreign ones get from one of your ports to another one of your ports.

That's only because he hasn't put the rest of the routes up.

Oh, I forgot something.

While Juneau, Alaska is not a major port for Squornshelan trade, I do allow Cymra to use it since he doesn't have so much coastline.

That's only because he hasn't put the rest of the routes up.

If you want, I think I'll beat you at the number of trade routes either one of us own.

Just one problem I see ... your members aren't the only coutries on Earth. I don't see Kormanthor anywhere.

We are the only countries on Earth II however. I'd expect someone who's been around as long as you have to be a little more knowledgable about how these sorts of things work.

Hey Bjornoya, I'll give you the names of the Major Ports and a link to a nice map. Click on Japan, which should be glowing, for exact locations of those ports.

Japanese Ports -

Hakodate, Hokkaido
Abashiri, Hokkaido
Aomori, Tohoku
Oarai, Kanto
Tokyo, Kanto
Yokohama, Kanto
Yokosuka, Kanto
Shimizu, Chubu
Nagoya, Chubu
Maizuru, Kansai
Osaka, Kansai
Kobe, Kansai
Uno, Chugoku
Hiroshima, Chugoku
Hagi, Chugoku
Sakai, Chugoku
Beppu, Kyushu
Kitakyushu, Kyushu
Kagoshima, Kyushu
Nagasaki, Kyushu
Naha, Kyushu ( Ryukyu Islands )

Indonesian Ports -

Tanjung Priok, Jakarta City ( Jakarta ), Java Island
Anyer, Java Island ( West )
Cigading, Java Island ( West )
Tanjung Emas, Java Island ( Central )
Tanjung Intan (Cilacap), Java Island ( Central )
Tanjung Wangi, Java Island ( East )
Tanjung Perak, Java Island ( East )
Pontianak, Kalimantan Island ( West )
Banjarmasin, Kalimantan Island ( South )
Samarinda, Kalimantan Island ( East )
Bontang, Kalimantan Island ( East )
Balikpapan, Kalimantan Island ( East )
Tanjung Bara, Kalimantan Island ( East )
Lhokseumawe, Aceh, Sumatra Island
Belawan, Sumatra Island ( North )
Batam, Riau, Sumatra Island
Dumai, Riau, Sumatra Island
Kijang, Riau, Sumatra Island
Padang, Sumatra Island ( West )
Jambi, Jambi, Sumatra Island
Palembang, Sumatra Island ( South )
Bengkulu, Bengkulu, Samatra Island
Panjang, Lampung, Sumatra Island
Ujung Pandang, Sulawesi Island ( South )
Bitung, Sualwesi Island ( North )
Jayapura, Papua

Myanmar Ports -

Yangon, Myanmar
( More but Yangon does the bulk of it )

Thailandish Ports -

Bangkok Port, Thailand *Connected to Bangkok by Road, this actually exists. I have yet to improve on it, so all large ships go too...*
Laem Chabang Port, Thailand

Cambodian Ports -

Phnom Penh, The Junction of Basak, Cambodia *The Junction of Basak is where the Mekong River and Tonle Sab River meets. This is possibly a huge center of attention of getting some goods into Vietnam. The Tonle Sab River goes out into the South China Sea but Vietnam does not have a port there because it is geographically impossible to build one there, thus all imbound trade for Vietnam would have to go through the river to Phnom Penh and all goods for Vietnam and the Marimaia woud have to feed into the Mekong and to an inland port in Vietnam. I think me and him should widen these rivers big time...*
Sihanoukville, Cambodia *Uber Major Port, :-P*

Laos Ports -

Vientiane, Laos *Is fed through the Mekong from Cambodia, it is a major Land Port as well, ie Ground Shipments*

Karafuto and Chishima Islands -

Maoka, Karafuto *Kholmsk, Sakhalin*
Ootomari, Karafuto *Korzakov, Sakhalin*
Ako, Karafuto *Alexandrovsk, Sakhalin*
Ohka, Karafuto *Oha, Sakhalin*
*I need to make some for the Chishima, Kuril, Islands*

Australian Ports -

Comming soon

Link for the Japanese Ports - http://www.japanwelcomesyou.com/cssweb/ports/

Remember, click on the Glowing Japan to get to it. You should see a map of East Asia, and Western America

Don't forget that Squorn has a pretty big Port -

Petropavlovsk, Kamchatskii

Don't forget that Squorn has a pretty big Port -

Petropavlovsk, Kamchatskii

Right, did I leave that one out? wierd.

Also, I would like to add Magadan on the Sea of Okhotsk.

Just one problem I see ... your members aren't the only coutries on Earth. I don't see Kormanthor anywhere.

The inability of people to actually read fully never ceases to amaze me.

Bjornoya, I can't find Beirut and Jiddah which are major port cities for me...so yeah...I want my trade routes.

OK, are we at war? Seeing as though Doom is your ally...

OK, are we at war? Seeing as though Doom is your ally...
As of now...we're not at war yet...that may or may not change in the future, depending on events.

@Pyschotika: Wow, I'm impressed but I sure as hell won't be able to fit them all (especially on Japan) let alone atempt to put the names properly. If two ports 'overlap' on the map just assume twice as many lines are going to the port, they simply cannot be seen due to overlap.

@Rest: This is a Work in Progress If I haven't drawn a line or put a port it is not because I hate you but because I simply haven't gotten to it. To appreciatte what I'm doing think of this: Every time an order is place I must first find the port, put it on the map, and then I must draw a line that does not cross land or get in the way of port names from it to every other pluasible port on the map. With some ingenuity I have lessened the work but say when I add N.G.'s ports I will be having to draw around thirty lines from each of them to every other port.

I am a perfectionist, I do this the best I can and will go out of my way to fix even the most minor errors. The best way to get me to fix an error is to wait and see if I even made the error in the first place, or am not working in certain regions at the moment (i.e. not working too hard on Mediterranean at the moment)

Bjornoya you want to upload the map to the directory and I'll get a link up on the maps page or do you want to wait until it's 100% done?

It would probably be best to wait til its done to avoid confusion.

Is the world map good though, or should I uploadit again?

It would probably be best to wait til its done to avoid confusion.

Is the world map good though, or should I uploadit again?

A-Okay. Check your TGs for a "special" link.

Well, as far as I know, my trading partners are as follows:

-TOA-
Layarteb
North Germania
Hirgizstan
Cotland
Hawdawg
---

Ottoman Khaif
Bjornoya?
Rome?


I'm not sure on many others, so if you trade with or want to trade with me, just inform me or whatever and I can add ya.



As for my ports...

Venice, Louisiana
Grand Isle, Louisiana
Morgan City, Louisiana

And I guess that's it...

Bjorn, np. Yokohama and Tokyo are fairly close, go ahead and just use Tokyo. Most of the other ones are fairly spread apart, I picked two for Hokkaido. One for the south of the island, and one for the north to trade with Squorn.

I tried not to make it as much of a pain, but whatever you add will be cool. And also, I want to have more lines than Layarteb :(...they are...very pretty...but I stayed pretty close to 'Major' Ports. And only put what you can fit, and have cool names, and are realistically major *If you need help, I'll help you decide which ones of mine to put in. Infact, I guess I'll revise the list for you tommorow.*

Anyways...

weee

I'll trade if you'll trade S.B. I'll add your momentarily

I'll trade if you'll trade S.B. I'll add your momentarily

Meh, 11 PM, had a 2 and a half hour drivers ed, S.B.?

*Assuming you were speaking to me >>*

EDIT

Was so tired, didn't realize how stupid my post sounded...lol...fixed some things.

@Pyschotika: Wow, I'm impressed but I sure as hell won't be able to fit them all (especially on Japan) let alone atempt to put the names properly. If two ports 'overlap' on the map just assume twice as many lines are going to the port, they simply cannot be seen due to overlap.

@Rest: This is a Work in Progress If I haven't drawn a line or put a port it is not because I hate you but because I simply haven't gotten to it. To appreciatte what I'm doing think of this: Every time an order is place I must first find the port, put it on the map, and then I must draw a line that does not cross land or get in the way of port names from it to every other pluasible port on the map. With some ingenuity I have lessened the work but say when I add N.G.'s ports I will be having to draw around thirty lines from each of them to every other port.

I am a perfectionist, I do this the best I can and will go out of my way to fix even the most minor errors. The best way to get me to fix an error is to wait and see if I even made the error in the first place, or am not working in certain regions at the moment (i.e. not working too hard on Mediterranean at the moment)

Much obliged if you could draw a few more lines coming out of Brazil, Mexico and Brunei, otherwise Nice Job!

LOL, take your time Bjorn. I am a perfectionist myself, I know how it is. BTW don't forget my "Most favored Nation" Trade Status with TATO in the overall grand scheme of things. Layarteb may have a huge portion of trade locked up, but I am pushing for a close second.

-Hawdawg

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)

We seem to forget something, a line represents that a ship may take that route, not how many ships are taking the route. Although certain sections of the map are cluttered with routes, those areas also have less dense trade while others that are simply one line will have a whole bunch of trade.

Take for instance the route coming from Esthar to the Southern Hemisphere. It's the one the branches to Tangier, Cape Verde, S. America, and all along the west coast of Africa. This route will have considerably more ships than other routes as Esthar is where nearly half of my nation is importing or exporting goods from, whereby other major ports only import a fraction of this, which may or may not be a good thing.

Maybe I should start checking who I'm trading with so I can get more lines...>>

Well, I'll sort out some ports tonight.

It appears I am still trading with Varsola. I don't trade with him. Apart from that, the map is great.

Don't forget that Squorn trades with Pyschotika.

Doesn't that get confusing there Bjorn?

It appears I am still trading with Varsola. I don't trade with him. Apart from that, the map is great.

The line I think you're looking at goes from Coankry to Rio de Janerio, not Varsola. All of the routes going north from Varsola are headed to Ascenstion Island, my gateway port in the Atlantic.

@Lay: yes, yes it does.

@Pyschotika: still working on Pacific, waiting for all ports to be finalized.

Oh, I'm not really rushing you. I'm just saying...

Layarteb isn't the largest trade site :-P.

OOC: :( I feel like a backwater. Maybe I should RP more.

OOC: :( I feel like a backwater. Maybe I should RP more.

That would be a very good idea, lest you become a target again.

- Fourth Reich Trade Ports -


Denmark:


Copenhagen


Skagen


Vejle


Ålborg


Århus


Esbjerg


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Germany


Bremen


Hamburg


Kiel


Rostock


Emden


Bremerhaven


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


England [Part]


Dover


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Spain


Barcelona


Faro


Almeria


Santander


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Poland


Danzig


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Kaliningrad


Köningsberg


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Lithuania


Kretinga


Minija


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


France


Brest


Cherbourg


Dunkerque


Toulon


Nice


Marseilles


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Belgium


Zeebrugge


Oostende


Antwerp


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Portugal


Azores Islands


Lisbon


Aveiro


Sines


Faro


Villa do Conde


Nazaré


Antwerp


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Netherlands


Den Helder


The Hague


Amsterdam


Flushing


Delfzijl


Dordrecht


Groningen


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Albania


Shëngjin


Durrës


Vlorë


Sarandë


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Algeria


Oran


Algiers


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Croatia


Pula


Zadar


Split


Šibenik


Dubrovnik


Ptoče


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Slovenia


Píran


Izola


Koper


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Montenegro


Pagania


Zahumlje


Travunia


Duklja


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Turkmenistan


Türkmenbaşy


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Ukraine


Berdyans'k


Mariupol'


Kiev


Illichivs'k


Kerch


Yalta


Mykolayiv


Sevastopol'


Zaporizhzhya


Dnipropetrovs'k

Oh, I'm not really rushing you. I'm just saying...

Layarteb isn't the largest trade site :-P.

Sure I am you just don't realize it yet. Remember whatever trade routes you have are technically mine because I am the Empire. That really goes for everyone so "RESPECT MY AUTHORITAY!"

Sure I am you just don't realize it yet. Remember whatever trade routes you have are technically mine because I am the Empire. That really goes for everyone so "RESPECT MY AUTHORITAY!"

http://only-monopoly.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mrmonopoly.gif

Take it back or so help me God I will not hesitate to sick him on you...

This bad ass gots inside 'connections' with every level of the government allowing him to not only 'get out of jail free' but *gasp* not pay his taxes! This bastard gets away with selling train tickets that take you no-where for $200 and Hotel Rooms which you can't stay in for $2,000. With a fleet of battleships, scotty-dogs, thimbles, and railroads he will bury you with the shovel he sells you.

On a side note I've decided this guy is now officially Dr. Jamous Hinderman, Co-ordinator of the BISE.

I have never lost a game of Monopoly except two to my girlfriend both times and let's say that once she beat me fair and square and the other time, well the reward for losing was far greater than the pride of winning.

Fuck your authoritah.

And my region can supply it self even without the west, the problem is I havn't gotten a chance to post all of who I am trading with.

The EOL needs to come to realization that it is just another fodder nation, like everyone else, doomed to go in and out of wars that will ravage them and reward them. I wouldn't enjoy being a large nation for too long.

Attack me and we'll see how much of a "fodder" nation I am and no, I'm not calling in the OA.

OOC: Stop cluttering up this thread with off-topic stuff and let Bjorn continue his much-appreciated hard work!

Sir yes sir!

Just saying, Layarteb isn't the strongest nation to ever peak it's head out into the International world.

And why use OOC tags in an OOC thread :confused:

And why use OOC tags in an OOC thread :confused:

Co-Moderator eccentricity.

Sure, well while you are at it you may consider finally talking to me on AIM.

Also, Lay this is an add on, who says I would be invading you?

Sure, well while you are at it you may consider finally talking to me on AIM.

Also, Lay this is an add on, who says I would be invading you?

You're the one talking up a storm to my arrogance.

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)

I think I am finished with the Atlantic. The ports I did not list either were not big enough or could not fit on the map. If you see any problems with the Atlantic please speak now or forever hold your peace.

I need many ports in Australia from the folks down there, and to complete the Pacific I need Kreynoria especially to post.

To finish the poles I need Huahin's ports in both Arctic and Antarctic territories.

Map is looking progressively cleaner, although Pacific appears to have fewer trade routes, it's not too far behind and one can actually tell where the route is headed. West coast of Africa looks horrible, but too late.

Oh yeah, Indian Ocean will be finished momentarily.

You're the one talking up a storm to my arrogance.

Been awhile since we...did that...

But I still wuv you!

Ok, Bjorn', mind if you adda port called "Datre" on the bottom of Tierra Del Fuego? For all, if Dwedelphia and Huahin and Lay and Psy and Mari and Squorn and all decide to trade with me, if could turn Tierra Del Fuego into the passage it is IRL.

Please trade with me?

Yes Africa Does kick ass.

I would like a couple of trade routes to be placed in the Caspian Sea, going from me to NG and OK.

Latest Edition (http://www.freewebs.com/bjornoya/E2TradeRoutesPNG.PNG)

I think I am finished with the Atlantic. The ports I did not list either were not big enough or could not fit on the map. If you see any problems with the Atlantic please speak now or forever hold your peace.

I need many ports in Australia from the folks down there, and to complete the Pacific I need Kreynoria especially to post.

To finish the poles I need Huahin's ports in both Arctic and Antarctic territories.

Map is looking progressively cleaner, although Pacific appears to have fewer trade routes, it's not too far behind and one can actually tell where the route is headed. West coast of Africa looks horrible, but too late.

Oh yeah, Indian Ocean will be finished momentarily.

I think the Atlantic is so confusing it doesn't matter if you missed anything :). Damn you Atlantic peoples...Oh wait...I'm one of them... :headbang:

Yeah...cluttering up our map. Lol.

I think the pacific would be about as cluttered if we had all the routes that go across it, but the map is split there so you just have to use your imagination.

1) Cymrea offers official Free Trade status to those that I could discern already have one with Rome:
Byornoya
Hirgizstan
Layarteb

2) Separately, Cymrea also offers Free Trade status to:
USB
Soviet Bloc
Hawdawg
Cotland

3) Cymrea offers trade agreements to:
Squornshelous
Huahin
Soviet Bloc
North Germania
Pyschotika
Kreynoria
Neuvo Rica
Ottoman Khaif
UER Marimaia
Tyrandis


Anyone wishing to accept these trade and free trade offers, please TG me. When everyone has responded, I will send Bjorn my list of trading partners.

Huahin trades with the following lands:
Kreynoria
Squornshelous
Terronian
Japan
The United Eastasian Republic
Dweladelfia prime
Neuvo Rica

Layarteb
Cotland
Hawdawg
Varsola
Bjornoya
Franberry
St Lazare

Huahin's ports:
St Pierre et Miquelon:
St Pierre

Baffin Island:
Sachs Harbour

Ellesmere Island:
Grise Fiord

Isle of Man:
Douglas

Antartica:
McMurdo Station
Palmer Station

Cymrea, I decline your offer of an FTA.

I accept the trade agreement.

We graciously accept the Crymean Free Trade Agreement offer.

- The Realm of Cotland

Eurasia, accepts the Crymean Free Trade Agreement

Cymrea, i was under the understanding we already had one. If not than i would most def be interested.

Also Huahin i would like to open a free trade agreement with you.

Bjornoya please note that The United States of Brink has hereby revoked its Free Trade Agreement with Cotland.

Brinky I accept but don't withdraw your free trade deal with Cotland over an OOC matter.

It is over his recent blatant imperialism as well as his recent threats against me.

3) Cymrea offers trade agreements to:
Squornshelous
. . . . .


Anyone wishing to accept these trade and free trade offers, please TG me. When everyone has responded, I will send Bjorn my list of trading partners.

Accepted.

Since when have I threatened you?

Over my former Islands that i gave to NR.

Over my former Islands that i gave to NR.
?

It was a little disapointing when it happened seeing as how Cotland is IC and somewhat OC USB's oldest friend.

When i had the Shetlands you asked to buy them off of me. However i was in the middle of making a land transfer with NR. After i said sorry i wont sell them and let you know i was trading them you said something to the likes of
"Good because if you didnt trade them i had other ways of aquiring them."

Edit: If you would like to continue this, which we should, peacefully; set up something on the Offsite.

The Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare holds the following ports:

Saint-Lazare [RL Monte Carlo]


The Grand Duchy also has the following trade agreements:

FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS:
United States of Brink
Pantheaa
Cymrea

For more information on the Economy of the Grand Duchy, please go here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11155382&postcount=10).

Major Ports:

Panaji
Bandar(Machilipatnum)
Vishakhapatnam
Surat
Jumnager


We trade with just about everybody except Sparta and members of the Pacificanasia alliance.

Hirgizstan: Fair enough. Any particular reason? Would you perhaps be interested in a simple trade agreement?

Yeah, we have FTA Cymrea cuz Roman connection; speaking of which I'm rather miffed I was outside the loop regarding Doomingsland's entrance to Rome and thus the RC. As good of an RPer he is his actions have been... substandard. I'm not interested in trying to maintaining friendly relations with a bloodthirsty nation (he tried to nuke Italy... and he killed millions of perfectly useful slaves in that popularity-fest 'Operation: Helot', thus why he is not on my trading list)

And if you get a chance tell Rome to post here for me please.

"Good because if you didnt trade them i had other ways of aquiring them."



I think all Cot meant was to trade them with me, which he did a short while later for the Comoros.

I didn't know Doom was going to be added not only to RC but to Rome itself until Rome mentioned it.

Huahin will have to consider its trade position with Cymrea if indeed Cymrea is to become effectively part of the same nation as Doom.

*sigh* Led by Rome...does that make any difference? If not, does that mean you're going to stop being trade partners with RomeW (assuming an agreement exists)?

Would you condemn the whole of the Roman Empire, with which you've been traditionally friendly, for one recalcitrant faction?

Rome and I have done what we can to get Doom to end this war. I refuse to be held in any way responsible for his actions. He knows damned well we don't endorse his actions, and he chooses to act alone. In fact, until his war is over, the Roman Empire remains as it has been - with Cymrea a vassal nation to Rome. Any union won't take place until after. So please try not to paint me (and/or Rome) with the same brush.

But then, all I know is that Rome opposes Doom's decision as well. Aside from the assertions above, I can't really speak for him.

We will not deal with those who are in league with our enemy.

Cymrea: I don't know anything about you and I've never been interested in your nation, nor vice versa. Everyone who has an FTA with me has done something to deserve it, and vice versa.

We will not deal with those who are in league with our enemy.

Very well, Huahin. Let me know how your considerations turn out. I'll let Rome know you're not interested in trading with him, either.

If the situation changes and the war ends soon, perhaps Cymrea will have to reassess who their friends are and who are only around in fair weather.

Or perhaps neither of us cares that much anyway.

*sigh* Led by Rome...does that make any difference? If not, does that mean you're going to stop being trade partners with RomeW (assuming an agreement exists)?

Would you condemn the whole of the Roman Empire, with which you've been traditionally friendly, for one recalcitrant faction?

Rome and I have done what we can to get Doom to end this war. I refuse to be held in any way responsible for his actions. He knows damned well we don't endorse his actions, and he chooses to act alone. In fact, until his war is over, the Roman Empire remains as it has been - with Cymrea a vassal nation to Rome. Any union won't take place until after. So please try not to paint me (and/or Rome) with the same brush.

But then, all I know is that Rome opposes Doom's decision as well. Aside from the assertions above, I can't really speak for him.

I certainly wouldn't mind so long as there was one discernable head, but what Doomingsland has been doing is so far from what Rome would do I'm not sure who's in charge anymore. I didn't get any notice or any information from anyone regarding Doomingsland's assimilation which I think I and the rest of the RC deserved. Not sure who's fault it is.

No, I'm not and won't stop trading with you cuz of Doom, Cymrea and Bjornoya have been on good terms. I do want some consistency with the action this new 'Rome' is going to take however.

The main difficulty lies in how busy RomeW's RL schedule seems to be. While he's not inactive by any means, his time constraints mean that any leadership or advice from him is slow in coming.

I would imagine that a unified Rome such as is under consideration would include a "Senate" in which the three of us would decide policy and then present a unified front. Failing unanimity, the dissenting party may simply opt out of the decided action. I think the reason the RC wasn't notified yet is because this idea is still in the stages of conceptualization, and Rome wanted to be able to present a finished product.

Rome would provide a measure of leadership still, but I think he recognizes his own limitations in activity and is looking for a way to grant some measure of increased autonomy, so that he doesn't hamper anyone. Most considerate, given that I wouldn't exist but for the generous gift of territory he provided at my inception.

In light of recent events, Rome may have some different ideas. We'll have to wait and see.

The RC doesn't exist anymore does it? I mean, its only you and Rome in it I thought...?

I wish to sign a Provisional Trade Agreement with Cymrea.

(PTA- Limited Trade Routes, still tarrifs on trade but not very high. Government/Industry watches the results of the PTA before deciding on whether an FTA could be considered.)

Confirmed, agreed, and signed.

The RC doesn't exist anymore does it? I mean, its only you and Rome in it I thought...?

The Roman Confederacy (RC) is an alliance of nations. This alliance includes RomeW, Bjornoya, Elephantum, and Cymrea (though only as a dominion of Rome). TLS was a member before the debacle in which he got slaughtered, despite every effort by Bjorn to stop it. Neuvo Rica also left, with the - in my opinion - slim excuse that he doubted the safety and security of being a member, completely ignoring why TLS received no help. I tried to start a dialogue with him about it and received no response.

The Roman Empire is currently RomeW and Cymrea (as a dominion). Not to be confused with the above alliance.

What is still under consideration is a united Roman Empire, consisting of RomeW, Cymrea, and Doomingsland (Doomanum). There is no official title for this group yet, as it may or may not coalesce into anything at all.

Since you have declared that you will not deal with those in league with your enemies, in this case Doom, then you must include Rome in that since it was his idea to form a union of sorts that included your enemy. Considering the size and wealth of the Empire, your economy will indeed suffer. Your only other option would be to single me out as being in league with your enemy, ignoring that Rome is too, and discriminate against my nation alone. Should you choose that course, it will be our relations that suffer. As I posited before, though, perhaps that's not really an issue for you.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Considering the wealth and power of Pacifinesia, which is greater than the Empire, it would be you that suffered more if you entered an Empire with Doomingsland. And therefore Doomingsland would effectively be in the RC. Would Bjornoya agree to that?

The wealth of Pacifinesia might be greater, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't miss trading with the Roman Empire, does it?

As for Bjorn's reaction, you'd have to ask him. Rome hasn't brought it up yet, because - again - I believe he wanted to present a finished product first. Or maybe because he's got a million other things to do and hadn't gotten to it yet. For that answer, you'll have to ask him directly.

As for our trade agreement and your consideration of it, all I'm saying is if your reason is because I associate with Doom via the union concept, then be good enough not to discriminate against me alone.

Though I would prefer to be judged on our historical relations and my opinion of the war in general. I get the vague sense of one not eating his meat because it touched his icky, icky vegetables....

I'm not trading with Rome either, if that's what you're getting at.

I will still have access to Huahinian goods and vice versa through my trade with Squorn. He seems to have the foresight not to judge one by his associations, however tenuous.

Maybe discuss with him why he still trades with the Empire. Perhaps your ally can convince you of the fact that Doom is not yet a part of Rome and may not ever be; that there are a great many decision unmade at this point.

If still you insist on maintaining your narrow-minded policy of disdain, then perhaps you should TG St. Lazare and tell him not to accept Cymrea's economic and military assistance...you wouldn't want your childer to be tainted by "being in league" with your enemy. :rolleyes:

Its my choice, no need to get all childish about it. Before you decided to get involved with Doomingsland, you were a major trading partner. Now we have new ones.

Yes, it's your choice. What I'm trying to illustrate is how narrow and childish, if you will, your decision is. Calling me childish just turns it on its head.

I can't believe I need to walk you through this again. We are not "involved" with Doomingsland. Rome and I are working on the possibility of forming a fully integrated Roman union with all Roman-styled states in one.

And how did you miss every single clue that I have no choice in it anyway? I am a vassal of Rome. You're not this stupid. I act as a dominion of Rome. I am not permitted to make certain international decisions on my own; surely you understand this would include Cymrean "involvement" in a war or its aggressors.

Imagine Lincolnshire or whatever deciding to involve itself in a war against North Korea. Or Oregon setting up its own embassy in Brazil. That is Cymrea's current situation.

I can trade. I can make decisions affecting Cymrea. But if Rome decides to consider forming a union with other nations, Cymrea says "yessir". Because ultimately, the Imperium is to whom Cymrea answers.

Well the fact that you can't act on your own makes your very existance questionable. You don't have to walk me through it again, I'm simply not interested.

Hey Cymrea, do we have an FTA?

Neuvo Rica: Not that I'm aware of. And I couldn't find whether you had one with Rome. Given your new alliance, I assumed you wouldn't want an FTA, so I offered a simple Trade Agreement.

Huahin: Since when is my existence being questioned? Can you not conceive of an E2 player taking the role of a vassal instead of the run-of-the-mill warmongering land-whore? I'll have you know I'm a very particular and novel warmongering land-whore.

The reason I feel the need to walk you through it again is because you appear to continue to base your decision on misinterpretations or outright errors in logic.

But, as you say, you're not interested and I don't see any advantage in maintaining relations with a petty and myopic government, so that's that I suppose.

Hey Huahin, your one to talk, you always have to wait for Pacifinesia before you act.
I for one applaud Cymrea as a peace-loving nation who wants to stay out of conflicts, the same as Alif-Lam-Mim, who you recruited.

No I don't. I went to war against war against Spizania of my own accord. And besides, you always have to wait for TOA before you do anything. :rolleyes:

I now control (what in RL is Albania) the Caucasian Democratic Republic of Franberry

so if you want to add that to world trade routes

You mean Armenia :P

You mean Armenia :P
hehe, yes,

Hmm, funnily enough I extended my land in Africa completely without TOA help, except for Libya. Thats more land than you have right there. I never said acting with other countries was a bad thing, you implied that and I simply reminded you that I haven't really seen you act on your own. Its actually very difficult for any nation to act alone, it rarely happens. Thats simply the nature of things.

I will still have access to Huahinian goods and vice versa through my trade with Squorn. He seems to have the foresight not to judge one by his associations, however tenuous.

I just know that large scale embargos rarely cause anything but recession. The only nations I don't trade with are ones I am at war with, because i would be obliged to sink their merchant traffic, and they mine. :p

Cymrea, trade doesn't really work that way. I don't trade with Huahin and none of my exports should ever reach his nation, whether via another nation acting as a middleman of sorts. It shouldn't happen. It probably does sometimes though, but I would hope nations I have FTA's with would honor the fact that I don't trade with some people and I don't want any of my exports to arrive in those nations.

Official Message from Huahin to Hirgizstan
Huahin would like to enquire as to the possibility of some kind of trade deal between our two great nations. We believe your nation has much to offer ours, and we only hope that we are seen as worthy enough to offer yours something in return.
Ever helpful,
Howard Wilkinson
Huahinian Minister for Commerce

Official Message from Huahin
Huahin would like to enquire as to the possibility of some kind of trade deal between our two great nations. We believe your nation has much to offer ours, and we only hope that we are seen as worthy enough to offer yours something in return.
Ever helpful,
Howard Wilkinson
Huahinian Minister for Commerce

OOC: I know that this message isn't directed to me, but in honesty, I don't know to whom it's addressing...

Grand Duke, you did confirm that FTA i offered via a telegram right?

Grand Duke, you did confirm that FTA i offered via a telegram right?

If I didn't, I do now :)

Cymrea, trade doesn't really work that way. I don't trade with Huahin and none of my exports should ever reach his nation, whether via another nation acting as a middleman of sorts. It shouldn't happen. It probably does sometimes though, but I would hope nations I have FTA's with would honor the fact that I don't trade with some people and I don't want any of my exports to arrive in those nations.


That makes sense. My guess is that some of it would squeak through, or there would be a black market trade that some of my federal agencies could make buys from. I know that certainly happens.

But I do agree that it shouldn't really work like that. Cymrean customs is pretty tight - I would expect others' to be as well.

Neuvo Rica: Not that I'm aware of. And I couldn't find whether you had one with Rome. Given your new alliance, I assumed you wouldn't want an FTA, so I offered a simple Trade Agreement.

Huahin: Since when is my existence being questioned? Can you not conceive of an E2 player taking the role of a vassal instead of the run-of-the-mill warmongering land-whore? I'll have you know I'm a very particular and novel warmongering land-whore.

The reason I feel the need to walk you through it again is because you appear to continue to base your decision on misinterpretations or outright errors in logic.

But, as you say, you're not interested and I don't see any advantage in maintaining relations with a petty and myopic government, so that's that I suppose.

Trade agreement it is then - not that I hold anything against the RC

Neuvo Rica: Confirmed, agreed, and signed. Good to hear there's no hard feelings. Perhaps in the future we can works towards an FTA....

OOC: I know that this message isn't directed to me, but in honesty, I don't know to whom it's addressing...
Oops. We already have a free trade deal as you were a former colony :)

Huahin has reconsidered its options, and will maintain trade deals with Cymrea and Rome until Doomingsland becomes one with the Roman Empire.

Huahin: At this time I will have to decline your offer of a trade agreement.

Huahin: Really? After all that? "Bitch, you almost made me laugh." (2 points to whomever can identify that quote!)

Given recent developments, mitigated by my damnably forgiving nature, Cymrea will agree to sign a Provisional Trade Agreement with Huahin in the hope that future relations will be more solid, and much less unstable.

Note: Cymrea honours any non-trading status between nations. Par example, Huahinian products will not be traded to Hirgizstan and vice versa.

The Empire and Cymrea have entered into a Trade Agreement for the time being. As time progresses, the availability for a Free Trade Agreement is an option on the table.

The United Eastasian Republic has signed a Free Trade Agreement with Cymrea because they don't mind signing an FTA with a huge Communist superpower with cheap labour and lots of resources.

Official Communique

The Realm wishes to establish a free trade agreement with the UER (if we already have one, disregard this).

On a different note, the Realm hereby declares its intention to establish a naval task force consisting of frigates and destroyers with the sole intention of escorting merchant convoys in the Pacific Ocean. We feel that this is a required measure to ensure that our merchant shipping doesn't fall victim to the events transpiring in the Pacific Ocean. We urge all nations involved in the conflict to respect our neutrality, as any attack upon the merchant convoys will be considered an act of war upon the Realm.

We invite other neutral nations in the conflict to join our convoys with their merchant ships to ensure that they reach their destinations safely.

[signed]
The Realm of Cotland

Official Communique

The Realm wishes to establish a free trade agreement with the UER (if we already have one, disregard this).

On a different note, the Realm hereby declares its intention to establish a naval task force consisting of frigates and destroyers with the sole intention of escorting merchant convoys in the Pacific Ocean. We feel that this is a required measure to ensure that our merchant shipping doesn't fall victim to the events transpiring in the Pacific Ocean. We urge all nations involved in the conflict to respect our neutrality, as any attack upon the merchant convoys will be considered an act of war upon the Realm.

We invite other neutral nations in the conflict to join our convoys with their merchant ships to ensure that they reach their destinations safely.

[signed]
The Realm of Cotland

I think we may already have one; if not, then the Republic accepts the Realm's offer of an FTA.

Huahin trades with the following lands:
Kreynoria
Squornshelous
Terronian
Japan
The United Eastasian Republic
Dweladelfia prime
Neuvo Rica

Layarteb
Cotland
Hawdawg
Varsola
Bjornoya
Franberry
St Lazare

Huahin's ports:
St Pierre et Miquelon:
St Pierre

Baffin Island:
Sachs Harbour

Ellesmere Island:
Grise Fiord

Isle of Man:
Douglas

Antartica:
McMurdo Station
Palmer Station
I think this got missed.

On hold until E2 (and map) restabilizes.

Yeah after the Huahin, Chronosia, Rommelia RPs are all over things should even out for you.

...lazy bastard.

Lmao

Cymrean Trade Nations

Free Trade Agreements
Bjornoya
Cotland
Hawdawg
Layarteb
Soviet Bloc
UER
USB


Trade Agreements
Kreynoria
Neuvo Rica
Ottoman Khaif
Pyschotika
Saint Lazare
Squornshelous
Tyrandis


Provisional Trade Agreement
Hirgizstan


Current Most Favoured Trading Nation
Layarteb



*If and when this list changes, I will edit this post and notify Bjorn of the change.

Neuvo Rica Trades with:



All Pacifinesia members
All RC members (Presuming I still trade with you folks even though I left the RC)
Hirgizstan
UER
Bjornoya
USB
North Germania


We'd be willing to sign trade agreements with:

Pyschotika
Layarteb
Ottoman Khaif

Eurasia welcomes any trade agreement with Neuvo Rica.

Thanks - consider a trade agreement signed.

((Take note Bjorn))

Bjorn, anyway we could add Hannover, New Orleans, and Marseilles to the trade route map?

North Germania graciously accepts the trade agreement offered by Cymrea and suggests that we immediately establish shipping & land trade routes.

Bjorn, anyway we could add Hannover, New Orleans, and Marseilles to the trade route map?

North Germania graciously accepts the trade agreement offered by Cymrea and suggests that we immediately establish shipping & land trade routes.

Neither of them exist anymore buddy :(.

Kreynoria;12338822']mmm, is anyone still doing this map? I imagine I have a lot to add.

OOC: Not for some time now. We'd have to redo the world map and that's no easy task and I can't say that I've been thinking about doing it anytime soon.

mmm, is anyone still doing this map? I imagine I have a lot to add.

Actually i believe me and SL are working on a new one, or something that revolves around this.